#overclocking

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short blade
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what's the safe daily limit for rev. e

south sky
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1.6 is fine

short blade
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I got 3800c13 booted at 1.6 but it errored after 3 mins of tm5

south sky
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any higher who knows

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I ran 1.7 for a few months, but not long enough to be conclusive

short blade
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could be possible to get stable with some further tuning but idk

modern walrus
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oh I'm gonna drive you guys freaking nuts when I start trying to OC RAM

south sky
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then I ran 1.67 for another month or two

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less then half a year in total

short blade
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what levers could I even try to pull to make c13 work

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procodt?

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assuming I didn't want to exceed 1.6 daily

modern walrus
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Are there like diminishing returns on these magnitudes? 3 cores are actually lower once +1 on the magnitude for it

south sky
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voltage is all you really have

short blade
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I'll stick to c14

modern walrus
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If I put Max CPU boost clock override to 0mhz, isn't this just effectively a backwards all core OC?

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but each core can jump to 5.0...

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lol AMD is killing me

lavish tundra
lavish tundra
south sky
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I don't understand

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What is a backwards all core OC

modern walrus
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This is where I'm at

south sky
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what does that means

modern walrus
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I just made it up

lavish tundra
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you know the term "underclock" exists?

modern walrus
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lol that's what I meant

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I think

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I dunno you guys are like OGs at this stuff & I"m on month 3ish of annoying this discord

south sky
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boost clock override just raises Fmax

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Fmax is a set clock limit

modern walrus
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max temp 68.8

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I mean... is this a success or have I just taken a series of facts & strung them together into a giant ball of nonsense?

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cuz I'm like magnitude negative 30 on 7 cores rn lol

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So I'm gonna bump the Max CPU Boost Clock Override up to 125mHz & bump everything down 2 magnitudes (if that's even a unit of measurement)

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which is kinda sitting pretty

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1.119v under load is cool but 44.3 ratio is meh

modern walrus
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okay prime95 drops the ratios to 37.3 wth

short blade
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seems like some of the ram errors i got before were due to core 0 being unstable at stock voltage with 200mhz override

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and not actually ram errors

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i'm seeing a lot of timings tighten that i couldn't tighten before

modern walrus
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What is this nonsense? PBO is wack lol

short blade
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why is your EDC only 112A?

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no wonder it's throttling so hard

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you're essentially limiting your 5900x to use less power than a 5800x

modern walrus
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soo bump it all the way to 160?

short blade
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i just let my motherboard decide the limits

modern walrus
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140 is the limit

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let's see if that'll make prime95 deliver its usually beating

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ya I'm gonna change to motherboard forget trying to guess that

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or make sense of it

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maybe that's what's wrong

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I have it on cute little puppy mode

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I hate Ryzen Master. I can't change the EDC without restarting to enter Auto-OC mode

tall pelican
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if you're just doing pbo, and want something good enough do like 200 ppt, 150 edc/tdc

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also for the love of god, uninstall ryzen master

modern walrus
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it won't let me over 140 EDC

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for some reason

modern walrus
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lol okay

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I think this marks the 4th time I've uninstalled RM

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I don't even remember why I re-installed it

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It still shows the 112A limit on HWiNFO. I'm gonna restart & see if it goes away. If not I guess I'll manually configure it in BIOS

tall pelican
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because you've never changed it in bios, its not going to change in hwinfo

modern walrus
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I changed it back to motherboard from the settings I got from RM because I listened to some clown on YouTube

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wthhh

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I changed it in BIOS

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to 150

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and it's still 112 on HWiNFO

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Ryzen Master ghost

short blade
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hm

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did you uninstall it with windows uninstall or something more powerful like revo uninstaller

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maybe there really is a ghost of it affecting something lol

modern walrus
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the former

short blade
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not sure if it would actually affect anything I don't use ryzen master

modern walrus
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I'm gonna download revo

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still limited to 112A

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I guess I have to reinstall RM...

modern walrus
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dude if you save your OC profile, the 112A becomes part of it no matter what you change it to. Ryzen Ghost lives in the BIOS settings or something. It took me an hour to defeat that crap

modern walrus
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Anyone know if "The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{6B3B8D23-FA8D-40B9-8DBD-B950333E2C52}
and APPID
{4839DDB7-58C2-48F5-8283-E1D1807D0D7D}
to the user NT AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE SID (S-1-5-19) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool." is a CPU or GPU issue?

short blade
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pretty sure you can just ignore that

modern walrus
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it crashed my game 3x now

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& caused reboot both times

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wow

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and they happen ALOT

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I didn't even highlight them all but there's 1059 of them

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since 6/22...hmm

short blade
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are you sure that that's the cause lol

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cause even brand new windows installs get thousands of those

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with stock hardware

modern walrus
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probably not

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I see kernel-power errors

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Those sound more serious

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& have red things next to them

short blade
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this rig has spent its entire life at stock with ram at jedec 2133

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kernel-power just means that the system crashed, on their own they do not indicate anything else

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look for things that happened directly before it

modern walrus
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I'm just not sure whether it's the mods on the game or the OC that's causing the crashes

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I'm leaning towards the mods on the game

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because this OC survived prime95 for an horu & AIDA64 for an hour

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I know that's not an especially long stress test

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but I'd think it would be enough to crash it compared to a game

short blade
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using prime95 is not a particularly good stress test for curve optimizer

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did you try what i mentioned?

modern walrus
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which one?

short blade
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undervolts are more susceptible to crashing at lower loads

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and prime95 small ffts is a constant, insanely heavy load

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corecycler

modern walrus
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oh crap no I didn't know what that was

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I did like 5 single-core CBs but I'll try that now

short blade
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it's a powershell script that automates running a lighter version of prime95 limited to a single core

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and it'll cycle through the different cores automatically and also periodically start and stop testing

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just to test system stability as it changes clocks/volts

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basically simulating normal usage such as starting a game

modern walrus
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oh wow ya that's perfect

short blade
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you can also configure it to use y-cruncher

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i did 4 days of prime95 and 2 days of y-cruncher

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have not had any issues so far

modern walrus
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okay I'm gonna do corecycler rn

short blade
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the more cores you have, the longer you should test it

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since it tests one core at a time

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the logic behind is that is that it allows you to test maximum boost clocks for stability

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compared to all-core where the clocks will not reach their max boost

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it will also report which cores throw errors and stop testing those cores in the following iterations

modern walrus
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ah ya that makes way more sense with PBO

short blade
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any core that throws an error just up the CO value by 1

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that's how i realized my core 0 actually needed to be overvolted, corecycler reported errors at +0 and +1

modern walrus
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that's good cuz then I can adjust each core instead of taking away 1 magnitude from each everytime

short blade
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yeah you should definitely do per-core

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i showed you my curve right

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it's all over the place

modern walrus
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oh ya all over the place lol

short blade
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because i used corecycler to test the individual limit of each core

modern walrus
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made me think mine was totally wrong

short blade
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if i was doing all-core i would have to overvolt every core to +2 and that would be big suck

modern walrus
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ya cuz then it's just a guessing game

short blade
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is this your only system?

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i'm taking my sweet time tuning and testing everything because i have another solid system to use in the meantime

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which is why stress testing for 6 days straight wasn't at all a big deal lol

modern walrus
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no I have this one with the 5900x and another one with 10900K

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with the 3060

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which should be plenty to play Resident Evil 3

short blade
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yeah i'd use the other system and make sure you take your time testing

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undervolts are a lot harder to get right than manual ocs

modern walrus
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I have a surfacebook 3, go2, & two old laptops but I don't think those can hang

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ya this has already taken longer & with the manual OC I had no clue what I was doing when I started

short blade
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also this might sound stupid

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but after running corecycler and all that

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do some normal web browsing and stuff as part of the stability test too lol

modern walrus
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No that makes sense. That's probably like 75% of what I do anyway

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I wish these monitors had more inputs so I wouldn't have to swap them lol

short blade
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i have a monitor inside my pc that's been handy for testing

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lets me put it wherever i want

modern walrus
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lol that must be a big case

short blade
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it's a 7" monitor

modern walrus
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that's a cell phone lol

short blade
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more like a small tablet sized screen

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but yeah

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portable raspberry pi monitor

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it's being used for testing now, once i have it hooked up to my main monitor setup it'll just be a decorative panel

modern walrus
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does it test logical or physical cores? 6 minutes per core on 12 is awhile but on 24 that's hours

short blade
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physical cores

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you'll need multiple iterations anyways

modern walrus
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oh okay so like 72 minutes or something

short blade
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i saw core 0 error for the first time on iteration 26

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YMMV

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i only have 8 cores so it's 48 minutes per iteration

modern walrus
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26th?

short blade
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yeah

modern walrus
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that's like a month

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lol

short blade
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26 iterations on 8 cores is 1248 minutes

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one day is 1440 minutes

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like i said, ran it for 6 days straight

modern walrus
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if you sit there for 24 hours lol

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jeez

short blade
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naw

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i just put teamviewer on it

modern walrus
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well it's better than crashing

short blade
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was checking on the status of my corecycler from 400 miles away

modern walrus
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lol well

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I was gonna move it to the smaller monitor

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that's like 4 inches away

short blade
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you can also teamviewer without a monitor

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when i showed you the distributedcom screenshot from the rig that was running stock

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that rig doesn't have any display or inputs attached whatsoever

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just teamviewer

modern walrus
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oh damn that's cool

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wait no chat bot for saying that? oops

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okay cool no chatbot

short blade
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damn is not a filtered word

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the bot is indeed active right now Sip

modern walrus
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does teamviewer work on Mint?

short blade
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i am unsure about mint

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official support is listed for ubuntu

modern walrus
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I could throw it on my 2012 HP craptop

short blade
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and i think mint is a derivative of ubuntu?

modern walrus
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oh well that's basically the same thing I think

short blade
modern walrus
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you can run Gnome desktop on it & it's basically ubuntu

short blade
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those are all of the distros listed on the page

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i'm sure it would work on mint

modern walrus
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or UI whatever it's called

short blade
modern walrus
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most updates say ubuntu in them

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Can I do regular remote desktop?

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lol

short blade
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i've turned on auto access so i don't need password to connect into my own rigs

modern walrus
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actually that's probably way more complicated

short blade
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dunno, i don't have much experience with linux

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used mint for a bit just to do some NASM x86 programming for school

modern walrus
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it's great for an old computer that's otherwise trash cuz it's so slow with windows

short blade
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i will say that i much preferred assembly in linux over windows

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i ran it on a VM

modern walrus
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I wonder if they ever did ubuntu mobile

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I think android just ruined that opportunity for them

short blade
modern walrus
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haha nice

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I saw I think ASUS makes phones

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like gaming phones

short blade
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now uses manjaro linux but used to use ubuntu touch

modern walrus
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supposedly win11 is going to have android app support

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the thing is you can only get it from the Amazon store

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but since it supports android apps, you can sideload them

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They're doing an Android subsystem the same way they did a ubuntu subsystem

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it's not available on the dev release yet

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it's like everyone is teaming up against Apple

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which is great I hate Apple lol

short blade
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my gf wants me to get an iphone

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keep telling her it's never happening

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hahaha

modern walrus
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I let my ex convince me to get one

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the XS Max or something

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maaan the second I hit 18 months I went right onto att. com and got an android again

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It just feels so dumbed down

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& like you can't change much on it

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Like Apple is like here this is what you get deal with it

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The best part of iphone tho is iMessage. MMS has such a low data limit that picture quality is mediocre and video is a joke

short blade
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just overclock the iphone

modern walrus
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can you do that? you probably have to do all that jailbreaking nonsense

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I was gonna root my Note 20 ultra but I decided it wasn't worth the mission

short blade
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I don't think so lol

short blade
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finally found the real limits of my ram timings

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now to see if I have headroom to drop voltage

tall pelican
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ayyyy I fixed my mount

zenith palm
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Nice

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What was wrong with it btw?

tall pelican
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just uneven pressure

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that's r23, and it was ~10c hotter on 2 cores

zenith palm
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Ahh fair enough

short blade
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did you lap it?

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or did it just need a remount

tall pelican
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just remount

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tube to gpu I think was torquing it weird

modern walrus
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Any of y'all looking for 3070Tis, I ordered my 3070 from this place & they're legit.

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I was super sketched out handing over $800 to them when I did

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It took almost 2 months to get the card but I got it. It was real.

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It's in my computer rn

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I tried to tell those people over on falcodrin twitch but they all thought I was lying

tall pelican
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or ya know, just newegg it

modern walrus
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They have stock?

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Or you won the shuffle?

tall pelican
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waiting 2 months to then overpay for a gpu isnt really what I call "in stock"

modern walrus
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How come you're getting a Radeon card btw?

tall pelican
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there was no such thing as the shuffle last year

modern walrus
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I don't think it would take two months

tall pelican
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because nvidia can suck a fat one

robust aurora
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Some regions have stock insted of shuffle

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In newegg

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Israel store get stock pretty often

modern walrus
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I ordered it in mid April & got it beginning of June

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& that's before they got their suppliers on point

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But hey I'm just throwing it out there for anyone who can't get a card as an option

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I make $0 & have no incentive at all here other than when I sent them an email saying thank you they asked if I could help spread the word

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They get Radeons sometimes too

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Lol nvm

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I'm not trying to piss people off so someone else can make money

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I've run corecycler 3x. The first two I stepped away from the computer & came back to a crash. No idea which core is crashed on

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So now I'm camped out watching the grass grow here

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Can you set corecycler to just test one core or do you have to wait for it to do all of them & get to the one you're focused on?

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I noticed it doesn't completely isolate the core. Like it says core 5 rn & HWiNFO shows 5 at 48.3 but 1, 4, & 7 jump to to 48+ occasionally

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& 0

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It's testing Core 11. The ratio is consistently lower than the others & there's a lot of ramping up then ramping down of the fans. but consistently high-ish temps. Think that's an indication of issues there?

short blade
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hmm

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passed tm5 ran it again cause i didn't trust it

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got an error

modern walrus
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Is it really worth it tho? I mean what do you do with an overclocked iPhone?

lavish tundra
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I had to run it 2 times

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it detected 0 errors once

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but then I couldnt open the start menu a few days later

modern walrus
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This is where I'm at so far... organization is the key to success right? lol

lavish tundra
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so i ran sfc /scannow

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and it detected errors and fixed em

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so I ran TM5 again and 10 errors in 10 mins lol

modern walrus
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RAM OC sounds like a nightmare

short blade
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not that it's possible to oc one

lavish tundra
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its already hanging for dear life

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its as worth it as any other oc tho

modern walrus
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3dmark so you can say you have the 812th fastest iphone in the world lol

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Well maybe if you have an older model but usually mobile games are pretty in-step with the phones they're played on

lavish tundra
modern walrus
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and that's probably even more true in the Apple world where so many people use the same devices

lavish tundra
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since I know it is water damaged

modern walrus
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how's your battery life?

lavish tundra
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like I get way lower scores than I used to

modern walrus
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not like how long it lasts but on that one setting you can see what the health percentage is

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so ya battery health I mean

lavish tundra
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I suspect a dead core or 2

modern walrus
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Well the phone turns down the speeds to keep battery life more or less consistent

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I'm saying if you buy the little $11 kit plus the like $15 battery & swamp it yourself maybe it's worth it lol

modern walrus
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I swapped the battery on the little iphone SE 2016 I gave my 3-year-old & it runs way better

lavish tundra
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wont make an ounce of difference to my phone

modern walrus
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btw I don't think 3 year olds should have phone but I wanted to be able to facetime him whenver I want lol

lavish tundra
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Im on jail break

modern walrus
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I can't believe that thing got an iOS 14 update lol

lavish tundra
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I have the throttle feature removed

modern walrus
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oh

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well can the battery still reach high enough voltage to run at full speed even with the throttle disabled? I mean like chemically

lavish tundra
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also its still in the 80s

modern walrus
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I didn't know a processor with dead cores could continue working

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lol

lavish tundra
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they might just be damaged

short blade
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technically your 5900x has 4 dead cores

modern walrus
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but then again I think some lower level intel chips are just screwed up higher level chips

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with a core disabled

short blade
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product segmentation is really just dead cores

lavish tundra
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TL;DR my phone is messed up and I should probably get a new one

modern walrus
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I think Apple did that with the macbook air

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Hit up asurion haha

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so how do I activate those extra cores in the 5900x?

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jk

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I know I'd need like crazy tools & a microscope or something

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it's not like there are tiny little toggle switches somewhere

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plus the firmware would be like wtf

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it took you 24 iterations to figure out which core was messing you up??

short blade
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26

short blade
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not for the 5900x

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but when amd was making phenoms with 2, 3, and 4 cores

modern walrus
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26? holy crap I dunno if I have patience for this. I'm gonna auto-OC I don't care anymore lol

short blade
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as the process matured and yields improved they had many functioning quad cores but had to meet demand for lower end parts

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so they would just disable some cores and sell it as a 3 core

modern walrus
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I guess it was cheaper to just manufacture the same thing and disable cores

short blade
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you could re-enable that core in bios and had a decent chance of it working

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well here's the thing

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they manufacture 4 core die

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at the beginning of the process the yield is not that good

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some have 2 working cores, some have 3

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so instead of throwing them away they just sell the same package with less cores

modern walrus
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ahh so they just manufacture extra & choose the good oens?

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oh okay

short blade
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yeah that still goes on to this day

modern walrus
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have you ever done a de-lid?

short blade
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the difference is that now they physically fuse off any extra cores instead of just disabling them

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yes

modern walrus
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I saw there's like a tool that'll do it for you

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I should de-lid the 10900K

short blade
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nah

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10900K is soldered

modern walrus
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oh then I definitely should not do that

short blade
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you will see much less benefit from delidding 10900K and it's also riskier

lavish tundra
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Oh @short blade 1usmus is making a new amd cpu OC software

short blade
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oh no

lavish tundra
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project "hydra"

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because it is a monster that enjoys killing lol

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like the hydra

modern walrus
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clever

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Do I need this? what does it do? lol

short blade
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1usmus's last software damaged rawr's cpu by putting in 1.35v

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sooo

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idk i'd avoid his stuff

modern walrus
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that reminds me, I'm showing 1.456 on these single core tests

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that's way more than 1.2. What's going on here?

short blade
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don't worry about it

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when you're using pbo the cpu will intelligently manage voltage

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and go down when it's unsafe

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that's how it manages those higher single core clocks than all-core oc

short blade
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with all-core oc and manual voltage you take away its ability to self regulate

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which is why you have to stay very low

modern walrus
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ahh okay

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even if you do maximum LLC?

short blade
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if you start up prime95 small ffts rn you will see it drop to protect itself

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it is recommended to leave LLC on auto for pbo

modern walrus
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oh ya I meant for all core

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I left it on auto

short blade
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for all core oc i usually just set LLC to maximum because i'm targetting a specific voltage

modern walrus
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for this extremely time-consuming pain in my rear end

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and leave voltage to auto?

short blade
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oh heavens no

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that's a great way to kill the cpu

modern walrus
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Actually I don't want to know. I've already invested too much time into this offset circus

short blade
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i ran 5.1ghz 1.35v maximum llc on 10700K

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so it just stayed at 1.35v regardless of load

modern walrus
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ya if you leave it on Auto on the 10900K it'll try to do like 1.46 or something crazy for the half a second before you hit TJ

short blade
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maximum llc can behave differently on different boards though, some boards have maximum llc actually go above what you've set

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which ofc is dangerous

modern walrus
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lol wth then why do they even let you set it?

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If PBO so brilliantly manages voltage, why do these crashes keep happening?

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Why isn't there an OC where you just set voltages for every ratio? like at 47.2=1.171; 47.3=1.174 or something

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then it can be auto outside every parameter you set

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like who cares what the voltage is at 32

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(within reason)

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or maybe you could set it like the fan curves

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or something

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I mean it's time-consuming as hell but so is 26 iterations of corecycler lol

short blade
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sorry got into a boss fight

short blade
modern walrus
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I wish corecycler somehow graded the core's performance on each test too. I dunno what the metrics would be but if it could somehow say "Completed the test on Core 2 (CPU4). 90/100"

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or something

short blade
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the cpu by default has a table of voltage - frequency pairs

modern walrus
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oh okay. I mean something that's just like an excel sheet meaning if x then y

short blade
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for example,
1.3v | 4.2ghz

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what curve optimizer does is allow you to shift that table

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if you apply an offset of -25 you are moving the voltage column 25 steps lower

modern walrus
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Ya the dude in the video I watched explained how it shifts.

short blade
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and attempting to have the cpu do 4.2ghz at that much lower voltage

modern walrus
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But he also said find the right amperage before you start & you saw how that turned out

short blade
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if it can't do it, then it crashes

modern walrus
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but is that always like linear?

short blade
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yes

modern walrus
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well then it's not really a curve lol

short blade
modern walrus
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ah I dunon what I'm talking about just ignore me

short blade
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it is a curve

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the v/f curve itself is not linear

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your transformation of it is

modern walrus
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ya that's what I meant

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oh okay

short blade
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you are optimizing the curve, it's already a curve

modern walrus
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& well ya it doesn't test performance but can't it like detect if it's close to error? or is that beyond its capability

tall pelican
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you know you can track which cores (really threads) causes a crash right?

short blade
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nope, it either errors or it doesn't

modern walrus
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in event viewer??

tall pelican
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yeah

short blade
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before that there were no errors whatsoever

tall pelican
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ooohhhhh mem test iteration

short blade
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because the curve was almost stable

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no, corecycler

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it was 1 offset away from its stable point

tall pelican
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oh

short blade
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which is why it took a while to find the error

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very intermittent errors can only be found intermittently

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it didn't crash either, prime95 just reported a rounding error

modern walrus
#

Resident Evil 3 can find it everytime I play...

short blade
#

got 0.5 when expecting 0.4 blah blah

modern walrus
#

Then Event Viewer gives me all that 10013 error nonsense

#

and nothing conclusive

#

I mean I'm not even sure if the error is GPU or CPU

#

I suppose I could jus tturn off GPU OC couldn't I?

short blade
#

i'd recommend ocing one thing at a time yes

modern walrus
#

Do the tests done by each iteration vary? i.e. if I take an iteration intermission after 4 finishes will I lose out on the benefits of 5 v. 1

short blade
#

no

modern walrus
#

I thought I had a stable OC for the GPU but now I'm beginning to question it

#

which reminds me

#

should I use nVidia's optimized settings for the game?

short blade
#

gpu oc is unlikely to crash the system

#

no

#

nvidia "optimized" settings are garbage

modern walrus
#

ya true it never crashed it on my other system

#

just crashed the game at worse

#

worst

short blade
#

nvidia optimized settings: "oh, you're getting above 60 fps? let me turn on 5K resolution with 4x TAA"

modern walrus
#

lol

short blade
#

saw a post where a guy was wondering why his 300 fps in siege dropped to 40s

modern walrus
#

they're trash if you move the little bar to performance instead of quality?

short blade
#

that was why

#

it literally changed his res to 5K with 4x TAA

modern walrus
#

lol it says I should select "auto" for one setting

#

auto isn't even an option

#

I'm gonna try playing wihtout mod manager running at all & see if the same crap happens

proven canopy
#

10900k ln2 2d benching

short blade
#

@south sky done now thanks for all your help

proven canopy
wheat lintel
#

Anyone here ever overclock a Cyrix CPU as a complete joke?

#

I did and I got to 0.19 Ghz at 3.2 V before frying the thing

#

Funniest thing Iโ€™ve done in a while imo

short blade
#

poor cpu

#

it did nothing wrong

#

why did you kill it

modern walrus
#

Finally. Core 4/8. 3.5 hours of CoreCycler. I set my phone to record it while I slept. it crashed on 4/8 lol

#

I set the magnitude back 2 points % it's still maxing 51x on HWiNFO (Core 4)

#

& not %

#

I'm gonna keep dialing it back until it doesn't hit 51x

modern walrus
#

If I'm getting the same ratio on, for instance, core 9 whether the magnitude is 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, or 24, is it likely the most stable magnitude is the lowest? or in this case, 19?

short blade
#

yes

modern walrus
#

What's strange is, (using that same example of Core 9) if I further lower it to say 22--since it wasn't stable lower than 24--my multi-core CB will be like 25-50 points higher. Is that because less wattage is allocated to Core 9 under load so that wattage can be used somewhere else?

#

Like maybe to slightly increase the output on a core requiring higher voltage? I dunno

#

Or maybe that's just inconsistency in CB

#

Because I'll also see slightly lower voltage

#

but this kind of fine tuning seems like I'm out on margins anyway & it's kinda not worth it

#

Like I saw 21,502 v. 21366 on CB by changing the magnitude on C6 from -21 to -22. That's a .994% difference. Worth it? eh

#

I wonder what the margin of error is on CB lol

#

Then again, that's the type of thing that leads to an ostensibly stable OC that'll crash later & you won't know what the cause is until you do CoreCycler for 5+ hours

#

But my bs continues. 1 magnitude increase from 20 to 21 on core 7 just netted me 77 points lol

modern walrus
#

(back to the 10900K) How come when my core ratio is set to 52, I'm not seeing anything higher than 51 on HWiNFO?

short blade
#

anyone know why my bios is freezing like 2 seconds after entering it now?

#

only clearing cmos fixes it

#

but after applying anything it will do the same

#

using previously stable profiles

#

I can boot to windows no problem but it doesn't seem to recognize my curve

#

my boost clocks are lower than before

wheat lintel
south sky
tall pelican
south sky
#

manual core ratio though

tall pelican
#

Yes

#

Asus and gigabyte 100% need tvb stuff disabled when doing manual overclocks because it'll drop the 100mhz. Not sure about asrock and msi

south sky
#

If it were that presumably it wouldn't always sit at 51x since it'd be below 70C under idle

modern walrus
# south sky avx offset?

No AVX offset but I abandoned the effort because stable below 1.35/no TJ Max appears unobtainable

south sky
#

1.35v what?

#

Set, load die, socket?

modern walrus
#

Under load

#

Vrvout

south sky
#

๐Ÿ˜…

#

yeah that's way too high

modern walrus
#

It'll gsod

south sky
#

gsod?

modern walrus
#

Green screen of death

south sky
modern walrus
#

51 all core is already pushing it since temps can hit 86

south sky
#

try a heavy load

modern walrus
#

Lol ya prime 95 will probably make it burst into flames

south sky
#

that voltage for daily is too high anyways

modern walrus
#

It was stable enough to play 9 hours straight of Resident Evil 2 so good enough for me

#

What's degradation v on 10900k?

south sky
#

I've answered this question for you before

#

it depends

modern walrus
#

The 51 all core is 1.28-1.31 under load

#

Max temp 86

#

(on CB)

#

R23

#

Lol sorry I ask anyone who knows what they're talking about

#

It's not like I'm doing a survey or something. Just interested to see how much variation there is to the answer

south sky
#

it really depends because if you do something like disable HT you can literally run like 10% or higher voltages with the same amount of deg

#

so there is no fixed voltage that if you go over you'll get deg

modern walrus
#

What's HT?

south sky
#

hyperthreading

#

because you just get more and more deg the harder you push

modern walrus
#

Oh right

south sky
#

degradation is mainly temps though

modern walrus
#

why would anyone do that?

south sky
#

Better performance

modern walrus
#

Without HT??

south sky
#

Yes

modern walrus
#

Hmm interesting

south sky
#

Internal silicon temps are really important, and in something a 9900K your internal to junction delta is about twice something like an 8700K

#

There are just so many damn factors when it comes to degrading cpus

modern walrus
#

I think llc is medium (aorus motherboard so pretty serious droop)

south sky
#

If you are below both the max current limit and TJmax you will be good for at least 5 years of very heavy load

#

for a 10900K that's 245A

modern walrus
#

Current as in amps? I saw that thing pushing 200 today

south sky
#

current limit's can be hit at like 1.25v load

#

For safety it's good to know current in a max intensity workload, because if you run a few heavy avx instuctions you'll get brief jumps to those levels

modern walrus
#

Should I set the limit to 240? I think motherboard let's you put 256 as max

south sky
#

no, the limits work in a strange way on most boards

left bladeBOT
#
alatron978#7416 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

south sky
#

ffs

#

you'll end up clock throttling*

#

typo

#

(missed an l)

modern walrus
#

I trust the aorus board way more than the msi it was on.

#

Throttling without an L is a bad word? News to me lol

south sky
#

different word

modern walrus
#

I enabled something enhancement & it let it above 51 but it was pointless because voltage was really but still nowhere near stable

#

So I'll stick to 51. Hopefully my last delta fan for the arctic freezer 2 will be here tomorrow lol

#

43 cfm to 113cfm x2 on 125x25 & 155 on 125x38mm

south sky
#

Use life is 13140 hours at full load 70C (193A) and 30660hours at 30c 30A. Intel has this deg data but pretty much all the chips that die in this time are defects

modern walrus
#

Doesn't help much tho tbh. The pump can't get the liquid out quick enough

#

Oh wow maybe I should just drop back to 50 for longevity sake

#

Or torture myself with another curve optimizer like my 10 day crusade with the 5900x

south sky
#

you'll probably be fine

#

that's not of 100%

#

The top of that graph is like 3% failure rate

modern walrus
#

Oh 193A constantly

#

Like straight qc testing type thing

south sky
#

yeah which is the spec for a 9900K

#

That's for a 9900K

#

it's 245A for a 10900K

#

and 10700K for that matter

#

10700K's should be tanks

modern walrus
#

I wonder how much better a basic custom loop with 1 360 rad would cool it v arctic freezer

short blade
south sky
#

reset settings fixes it so it really sounds like instability

short blade
#

instability in bios?

#

it's my old pbo + curve optimizer profile

#

i guess i'll try redoing my curve from scratch then

#

pain

modern walrus
#

Fitz said something the other day about trying to get 1900mhz FLCK. Is that for CPU OC or RAM?

#

Btw my 3070 ain't so bad

#

161 from best. I tried to squeeze more but it just wasn't there

south sky
#

FCLK is the CPU infinity fabric clock

modern walrus
#

That's the acronym I was looking for. Mine shows 1800mhz on HWiNFO. Should I try to set it higher then adjust offsets?

south sky
#

you'd want it the same as MCLK or memory clock

#

actual memory clock not transfer rate

#

Unless you can clock well above or quite a bit below it's better synced

modern walrus
#

So with 3800 that's 1909?

#

1900

#

19x2=38?

south sky
#

yes

modern walrus
#

Ah okay & um... Why?

#

Stability?

#

Increased speed?

#

Sorry I can Google it

#

Or like better communication w/ ram?

#

Will Google now

#

Sync all 3? MCLK, FCLK and UCLK

south sky
south sky
modern walrus
#

I see. Well I'm gonna try that later

#

Thank you

short blade
#

managed to boot with xmp and original curve for cpu

#

running corecycler again

#

if I get any errors I'll know it's degraded

#

not sure why my ram oc wouldn't work now though

#

degraded IMC? I kept vsoc at 1.105

#

idk if that would be possible

dull ginkgo
#

Thoughts on the next secondary/tert timing to work on? giving up on primaries for now

short blade
#

try 60 if no boot try 62

lavish tundra
#

trfc looking high as well

dull ginkgo
#

tried 600/446/185 for tRFC a while back and that wasn't stable, could try tRFC again tho, gonna do tRC now

short blade
#

I've always left tRFC2 and tRFC4 on auto

#

tRFC depends on die type

dull ginkgo
#

Hm

#

Forgot what I went by, but I went by a ratio for 1/2/4 that I found somewhere

#

Currently running testmem5 for tRC 60

#

About an hour in, first cycle still, no errors yet

zenith palm
#

Also a bit on the higher side if it is right

tall pelican
#

oh, and leave trfc2 and 4 on auto, they dont do anything

#

trfc chart

dull ginkgo
#

Hm

dull ginkgo
tall pelican
#

it would be 1.15v soc, there's some droop to zentimings

zenith palm
dull ginkgo
short blade
#

I hope replacing my cpu isn't going to change anything on the ram front

dull ginkgo
#

imagine if the IMC becomes godly

#

2500mhz IF time

tall pelican
#

generally just rcd and rp might change

steel zephyr
#

Using a 280mm radiator submerged in a cooler with ice and water.

robust aurora
wheat lintel
#

Oh damn I just found this article from November

zenith palm
# wheat lintel

I don't really think core clocks are a fair 1:1 comparison but yeah amd have better raster perf this gen for gaming just lack the Nvidia features such as nvenc and dlss

wheat lintel
#

Yeah I know I just found it interesting

steel zephyr
#

It seems that AMD GPUs have better raster performance in DX11, but what about DX 12?

robust aurora
#

How no one broke the record with the 6900xt weird

dull ginkgo
robust aurora
#

Oh ok

orchid ore
#

Any recommendations for overclocking on a 10850k with a z590-f and 360mm aio?

tall pelican
#

firestrike at that point is a cpu benchmark, you'll see all of these tests were run with a 5950x

orchid flame
#

I heard ram was happening here

orchid flame
#

Based fitz recommending not to tune the useless timings

left bladeBOT
#
Arshia#2457 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

orchid flame
#

ok. Screw tRFC2

#

that should be better

#

and screw tRFC4

#

useless trash timings

orchid flame
#

tRFC down to 300ns

#

also you should do higher mem clock

#

3800 at least if its Rev E

#

you'll bneed to increase tRCD and tRP and tRC if its DJR//CJR

dull ginkgo
#

It's cjr

#

hm

#

@orchid flame How would you tone SCLs, just go down one at a time, or are they linked?

orchid ore
#

Overclocking recommendations for a 10850k on a z590-f with a 360mm aio? I'm not very familiar with overclocking

sterile flame
#

check known safe voltages, set to the highest safe, start with 50.0 all core and tweak from there

#

or undervolt

#

either works

faint tangle
#

Due to my 3600 performing worse than a 9880H, I'm going to OC it, any reccomendations on how to start? And my Temps are fine

faint tangle
#

guessing thats in bios?

zenith palm
#

Yep

tall pelican
#

3600 prob needs a manual oc

#

1.25v, and see how high it clocks

lavish tundra
#

for multi core manual is necessary

tall pelican
#

6c is going to hit all core loads in most modern games

blazing blade
#

Is samsung c die and samsung b die simmilar cuz i was gonna do my ram timings but in ryzen dram calculator there is no option for samsung c die

tall pelican
#

no, they're almost polar opposites

dull ginkgo
#

b die is godly

#

c die kinda wacky

short blade
#

c-die is almost the worst possible

#

b-die is the best

#

only a-die and possibly hynix mfr is worse than c-die

#

actually no hynix mfr can do 3200c16 1.35v pretty consistently so it's probably better

south sky
#

There are many chips worse then it

short blade
#

almost the worst possible that people buy today

#

not considering stuff like early 2015 ddr4

south sky
#

I'd rather C-Die over CJR

short blade
#

too many reports of c-die not hitting 3200c16 1.35v xmp

south sky
#

user error

lavish tundra
short blade
#

i mean i could be confusing it with a different die

#

but whatever they're putting in all the corsair vengance lpx that's failing to run xmp

lavish tundra
#

C die can comfortably do 3600 c18

short blade
#

fastest tm5 run yet

#

wow

south sky
#

C-Die can easily do 4000+

#

subs are good too

short blade
#

then i must be thinking of something else

lavish tundra
short blade
#

maybe it's a-die after all

south sky
#

Some CJR (3200 bin stuff) doesn't even pass 3600, and the subs are crappy

short blade
#

my a-die gets negative voltage scaling above 1.25v

#

oh boy

#

I replaced my 5800x and I'm still getting freezes in bios on the new one

#

any idea what could be causing that

#

reflashing bios didn't fix and windows boots fine

#

I wonder if it's a problem with my 3080, this didn't happen with my 5700xt

#

I've also had intermittent crashes with my 3080 installed

#

maybe i was wrong to suspect the 5800x

humble dirge
#

guys I have a question on how to overclock

#

how much do I put my power limit at

#

and how much do I put my memory clock at

robust aurora
#

For max performance max the power limit but see if the temps are good

humble dirge
#

ok so is that power limit

#

?

faint tangle
#

honestly idk why it even gets that high with a 180w cooler on a 3600

#

but yknow

#

lost the lottery which is why im ocing in the first place

#

single core is at 7700k level, multi just below 9880H

robust aurora
#

Start with +100 on core clock and test it with 3d mark timespy, if its not crashing and no arctifacts on screen add +25 to the core clock and do it again till you have arctifacts /time spy crash and then make it -50 from the value that crashed

humble dirge
#

How much do I put power limit at

short blade
#

that 180w rating is likely for intel cpu

#

3600 is 7nm

robust aurora
#

Same with memory clock but start with +200

short blade
#

has higher heat density than intel 14nm

faint tangle
faint tangle
#

Streaming and playing warzone

#

Used cinebench to benchmark

robust aurora
#

How many watts is it pulling

faint tangle
#

Uhh

robust aurora
#

On r23?

faint tangle
#

Unsure

#

Yeah 23

robust aurora
#

Ok yeah 75c on r23 is fine yeah

faint tangle
#

I think 1231 on single core

#

9231 on multi i think?

#

And multi is supposed to be at like 9485

humble dirge
#

Guys i need help

faint tangle
#

1235 so thats not bad

faint tangle
humble dirge
#

How much do I put power limit at

#

and how much do I put memory clock at

robust aurora
#

I just told you

#

What to do

faint tangle
#

Offir said

robust aurora
#

-_-

humble dirge
#

oh I thought u werer talking to him

faint tangle
#

Sorry mb

#

Should've waited

robust aurora
#

^

faint tangle
#

bread

humble dirge
#

i maxed the power limit and its at 67

#

degresss

faint tangle
#

Full load?

#

And celsius?

humble dirge
#

yea

#

whats full load

faint tangle
#

As in you're using it a lot

#

Like playing a demanding game

robust aurora
#

Download 3d mark time spy

#

And test with that

humble dirge
#

im playing fortnite rn

robust aurora
#

Its free on steam

humble dirge
#

ok

faint tangle
#

No it's not

#

It's 4$

robust aurora
#

Demo

dull ginkgo
#

demo is free

robust aurora
#

Is free

faint tangle
#

There's a free version online

#

Oh

#

I download one straight from Google

dull ginkgo
#

it's just the demo

#

free either way

humble dirge
#

but memory clock it says current clock at 200MHz

faint tangle
#

Ah

dull ginkgo
#

you sure it doesn't say +200mhz

faint tangle
humble dirge
#

1070

lavish tundra
#

And dm me

faint tangle
#

I'm currently reinstalling windows, this is so much fun

lavish tundra
#

Use msi afterburner

#

And also it says clock is +200

humble dirge
#

where

#

ohh

#

what does that mean

lavish tundra
#

NZXT cam isnt great

#

Msi afterburner better

faint tangle
#

Turn on pbo to oc my cpu or over volt?

#

Also where

#

Ignore the fishing line

lavish tundra
faint tangle
#

Switch to manual?

lavish tundra
#

Should be under overclocking

#

Or ai tuner

faint tangle
#

Oc tweaker I figured

#

Cpu frequency and voltage I'm guessing switch to manual?

#

And do I change the processor frequency?

#

Sorry for the ping @lavish tundra want to make sure I don't break smthn if I save

lavish tundra
#

like auto and?

faint tangle
#

Manual

#

No pbo for some reason

#

No pbo under any menu actually

dull ginkgo
#

PBO is usually under AMD overclocking

#

Which is a submenu that's usually in a weird place

faint tangle
#

Can I save it as 1.25v and boot?

#

Only thing changed from default is the voltage

lavish tundra
faint tangle
#

Oh

#

Why?

lavish tundra
faint tangle
#

It's on manual

lavish tundra
#

Any new options that are visible now

#

like cpu ratio or something

faint tangle
#

Normally it doesn't show the mhz or voltage

lavish tundra
#

What about ratio

faint tangle
#

Once I select manual those drop down

#

Not that I see

#

Oh I found PBO

#

Should I enable it and just leave the voltage alone?

lavish tundra
#

sure

#

enable pbo

#

voltage on auto

faint tangle
#

Alr

#

Done

#

Booting now, ty

#

Gonna run cinebench and see how that goes

#

And my windows crashed

#

FUN

#

Not even relating to the oc

#

This has been happening for days

#

Just reinstalled windows and nothing

#

What the hell is happening microsoft

faint tangle
#

Even with PBO on multi core is under average 3600

#

Lovely

tall pelican
#

average of where?

faint tangle
short blade
#

FWIW the cpu-monkey score is using PBO as well

#

guru3d achieved 3575 with the r5 3600 in cinebench r20 at stock

#

while cpu-monkey reports 3689

faint tangle
#

PBO increased it by 11 single core

short blade
#

guru3d reported 462 single core in r20

#

cpu-monkey reports 472

#

i've found cpu-monkey scores to be fairly consistent with overclocked results

faint tangle
#

Alr thanks

short blade
#

it reports 15245 for 5800X in R23

faint tangle
#

My mc is still much lower than cpu monkey overclocked

short blade
#

mine gets around 15400 with PBO on

#

did you see what week your 3600 was manufactured on the IHS?

#

week of manufacturing is incredibly important on ryzen 3000 chips

faint tangle
#

Nah

#

Is there a way I can check?

short blade
#

my ryzen 5 3600x from week 39 of 2019 could only do 3.95ghz all core

faint tangle
#

It came in a pre built, but its a custom build now

short blade
#

my ryzen 5 3600x from week 31 of 2020 could do 4.2ghz all core

faint tangle
#

Only parts left are gpu and cpu

short blade
#

the only way to check is to uninstall your cooler and wipe off the thermal paste

#

not really worth it

faint tangle
#

Yeah not doing yhat

#

Took two hours and nearly breaking my mobo to get it on

short blade
#

my first 3600x got around 3300 in R20

#

for comparison i was able to push a newer 3600 NON X to 4181

#

but anyways it's likely you just got a worse bin than whatever data cpu-monkey is using

#

are you using the stock cooler?

faint tangle
#

Se--224xt

short blade
#

ah

#

yeah i'd chalk it up to silicon lottery

#

i don't think you are necessarily doing anything wrong

faint tangle
#

Yeah I know

#

I've been thinking that for a while

#

Good while actually

#

Idle cpu is sitting at 3.9ghz

short blade
#

the good news is that core clock barely matters for ryzen 3000

#

ram and infinity fabric speed is much more important

faint tangle
#

3600mhz ran

#

Ram

#

Cl18

#

So that's not the issue idt

short blade
#

not ideal but not bad

#

ram speed has absolutely zero performance impact on cinebench

#

but it makes all the difference in gaming

faint tangle
#

Yeah

#

I'm just annoyed that the cpu is performing this bad

short blade
#

i've benchmarked 2133c15 ram vs 3800c14 ram in cinebench, all other variables equal

#

the difference was 7 points

#

i mean

#

consider yourself lucky that it's working

#

i'm currently sitting here with an rtx 3080 that's crashing at stock

#

๐Ÿ™‚

faint tangle
#

I've dropped over 1800$ on this pc

#

Bc skytech screwed me over

#

For basically a 7700k 3060 ti build

short blade
#

you have no idea how blessed you are to have working hardware

#

i've been getting an absurd amount of defective parts lately

faint tangle
#

The blood pressure this gave me disagrees '-'

robust aurora
#

How much was your 3060ti

faint tangle
short blade
#

your cpu is already working as promised

faint tangle
#

Had to replace EVERYTHING other than gpu and cpu

#

Cost probably nearing 1900

robust aurora
#

Oh

short blade
#

wow, 1275 for a prebuilt with a 3060ti?

#

that is an amazing price

robust aurora
#

Cant you sell the other parts tho

faint tangle
#

Whereas my friend built a full 5800x 3080 build for 1750

faint tangle
#

Rest was trash

short blade
#

i could have done my 5800x 3080 build for sub 1500 if i didn't decide to spend so much money on making it pretty

faint tangle
robust aurora
#

:(

short blade
#

but hey.. worth

faint tangle
#

They absolutely screwed me over

#

No not really

#

I could've done a full custom off the start with a 2080s and it woulda cost less

short blade
#

i spent over $300 on aesthetics and i regret nothing

faint tangle
#

Im mining now to fund future upgrade when ryzen 7000 series comes out

robust aurora
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Lol i bought corsair aio and fans before i knew there are way better options for less money-_- could have probably save 100$ and have better thermals

faint tangle
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Was going to stick with this but now I might trade my 3600 up to a slightly better cpu that isn't the losing side of silicon

robust aurora
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But its fine i guess-_-

faint tangle
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I just need a decent cpu since I stream

short blade
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just use nvenc

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trust me

faint tangle
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I do

short blade
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i tested cpu encoding on a 5600x

faint tangle
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Still lags a bit when I play warzone if I do max settings

short blade
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it was completely unusable

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over 50% dropped frames

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nvenc was perfect

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and the 50% dropped frames was only at 1440p 30fps

faint tangle
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Now idk how to test if my gpu lost lottery

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Honestly wouldn't be surprised if skytech was buying less than par products for cheaper pcs

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They legit sent a 400w white instead of 600w gold plus

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Biostar movo

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Case incompatible with other mobos

short blade
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test it by overclocking it lol

faint tangle
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I have

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Can do anything I want with it

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But idk how to test how it compares performance wise

short blade
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i don't have any 3060ti benches you can compare to

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i have a 3070M and a 3070

faint tangle
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On what benchmarking?

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Im downloading unigen superposition rn

short blade
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3dmark time spy, time spy extreme, fire strike, fire strike extreme, fire strike ultra, sky diver, cloud gate

faint tangle
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I have exactly none of those :p

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Don't those ones cost money on steam?

short blade
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bought the whole 3dmark suite on sale for $4

faint tangle
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Oof

short blade
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with how much i use 3dmark it wasn't even worth thinking about

faint tangle
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I dont feel like buying it lol

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To run a single benchmark most likely

short blade
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i do client builds, 3dmark is my second most played game on steam

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the demo gives you free unlimited time spy and fire strike though

faint tangle
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Ima just do unigen and im gonna compare online