The i5 11th gen doesn't have pins.
#overclocking
obtuse adder
quick rose
wat
obtuse adder
Yeah.
quick rose
Intel sockets have pins
The CPU's do not
Since forever now
Since socket 478 I think?
Anyway, the socket on Z series is no different from B series
obtuse adder
Wait a minute.
quick rose
However, Z series boards allow CPU overclocking where the B series do not
obtuse adder
But why are there pin holes?
quick rose
Are you looking at B550 or something?
obtuse adder
quick rose
UH
proven canopy
hahahaha
tall pelican
that's like am3
obtuse adder
Uhhhhh
quick rose
Prefereably Z590 so you don't need a BIOS flash
proven canopy
Yeah, you'll want the non z version or the extreme 
quick rose
Completely overkill for 11400 but it will work
obtuse adder
Perfect.
Overkill the cheapest CPU of the 11th gen.
That motherboard isn't even that expensive compared to the ones I've been looking at for the B series
Like the first one I sent.
I even saw the motherboard on sale at Microcenter.
tall pelican
by "CXMT 8gbit A" I'm assuming 8gbit AFR, in which case even getting 3466 is good
lavish tundra
I see will it not go higher with even cl18 instead of 16?
tall pelican
nope, afr hits clock walls around 3200-3400
prisma arch
how do i increase my ram speed
to 3266 or 3400 i guess
in bios
im using x570 tomahawk
zenith palm
I would look at the label as well, taiphoon guessed my corsair's dies
lavish tundra
I would look at the label as well, taiphoon guessed my corsair's dies
fitz said that all 8gb samsung dies detect as b die
everything else works
zenith palm
fitz said that all 8gb samsung dies detect as b die
Yeah depends on size then i guess
Ohh nvm name says 32gb
Ehh well could be 4x8gb
zenith palm
Lol
lavish tundra
so it doesnt really matter anyway
tall pelican
everything else works
No
Everything is reported wrong
All corsair 8gbit hynix is reported as afr
Afaik micron says reve on all 8gbit
Corsair doesn't program what ic in the spd because they put it on the label
zenith palm
To get larger sticks i guess
tall pelican
Whats the point of using thaiaphoon then
Whats the point of using freeware thaiaphoon then *
paid thaiphoon lets you spd write on supported platforms and sticks
orchid flame
by "CXMT 8gbit A" I'm assuming 8gbit AFR, in which case even getting 3466 is goo...
CXMT is a memory manufacturer
they have a fab and everything
its not Hynix
is also one of literally like 2 chinese companies able to potentially get an ASML EUV machine
CXMT A behaves like trashbin CJR
sterile flame
My kit is ass
I have cxmt a
I needed to push 1.51V
Into this kit
Just for it to be stable
But my question is
Should I do 1.51V for a trtp of 10
Or 1.5V for a TRTP of 12
sterile flame
tRTP 10 is a big gain over tRTP 12
Yea but @orchid flame whole .1 extra volts
@orchid flame cant tell if 1.5v is even safe on cjr in the first place cause mixed info
At 1.51V I got stability
sudden torrent
Jedec is just setting the standards for xmp, there's some dies that run over 1.7v just fine
orchid flame
<@291385304743542784> cant tell if 1.5v is even safe on cjr in the first place c...
It isn’t but it’s good enough to run
I’d krunk is willing to do it so am I
Lol JEDEC limits are BS
sudden torrent
That 0.01 extra volt will absolutely not kill it, even slowly
lavish tundra
Some dies also scale badly so you can see less perf from higer voltages than a lower value
sudden torrent
CJR does well around 1.5v from what I've read
But yeah if it was something like c-die no point going over 1.35v
tall pelican
I’d krunk is willing to do it so am I
krunk degraded his cjr after a few months at 1.5v
like degraded past jedec
sudden torrent
Really? I must have missed that, skimmed a bit
lavish tundra
But yeah if it was something like c-die no point going over 1.35v
can confirm
sudden torrent
Although my c-die scaled up to a whopping 1.36v lol, sometimes that little extra does help
sudden torrent
Absolutely. If I even did 1.37v I would have to regress the timings back to what I had them at 1.32v
Running it right on the edge, push too hard and you get cut
sudden torrent
Yep there's just too many factors to just set max values and call it good.
You're more likely to hurt performance that way, if not damage something
lavish tundra
Thats a common mistake most people make tho... You shouldnt overclock anything till you know that part well or have help from someone who does
Floppa and fitz helped me a great deal with my ram and gpu
sudden torrent
I've learned a lot here too. I knew I only had the basic ideas before but now I know just how basic.
lavish tundra
Same tbh
I thought I knew a lot about tech till I joined up here
Now even after many months, Im still learning something new every day
I even managed to overclock my way onto 3dmark leaderboards thanks to the help from the wonderful people here
sudden torrent
Same, I'm rocking the #1 spot for my old config on time spy extreme and a couple others in top slots, also thanks to all the hints and pointers from everyone. In particular fitz and mr1111 have been tremendously patient and helpful.
lavish tundra
Thats really nice!
sadly for me theres a german dude who has a better score on my config than I do
although I did get the 65th best score ever recorded for a system with an rx570
sudden torrent
3 words my friend:
Ice bucket loop
lavish tundra
Ahahaha
I need to do that some day
sadly I dont have a pump or blocks for cpu and gpu
or tubes
sudden torrent
All you need to do is drop the rad in the bucket of ice water and agitate it
lavish tundra
I need to get an AIO
sudden torrent
Even if you just do the cpu it's totally worth the extra boost clocks for scores
lavish tundra
TBH my cpu can do 4.35GHZ all core prime95 stable on a crappy air cooler
4.425 all core stable enough for 3dmark
Thats at 1.256V all core
With an AIO I can push it way further
3600X btw
sudden torrent
Ah, yeah not bad at all for air
sudden torrent
You might get better results from PBO once you drop your temps more with a liquid loop
lavish tundra
You might get better results from PBO once you drop your temps more with a liqui...
Zen 2 did not have a good PBO algo sadly
compared to zen 3 that is
sudden torrent
Yeah but you can still manipulate it nicely with the temp scaling being one of the highest factors in boost bin choice
lavish tundra
even with all limits except voltage maxed on my board, it hardly ever does over 4.3GHZ and thats in single core games like minecraft java
sudden torrent
I can hit 5.1 on single core, more if I drop temps. 4.7 all core cinebench. That one is more a VRM limit for me. Them sinks get hawt.
lavish tundra
Thats zen3 tho right?
lavish tundra
Yeah PBO for zen2 doesnt come anywhere near PBO for zen3
lavish tundra
I got a nice sample
Its amazing especially since its still an early sample to some extent
sudden torrent
I got it back in February from the shuffle, right after X470 boards got the zen3 update
lavish tundra
Really good stuff in that case
sudden torrent
Yeah honestly shocked my X470 board has done so well. It's C tier on the VRM list.
lavish tundra
Mine is a C tier as well iirc
Its tsill a great board
X570 elite wifi
strange because the b550 aorus elite has tier 2 vrms
sudden torrent
Oh absolutely, C tier is still a high standard. It has to run a 5900X at 1.2v max clock to pass that.
lavish tundra
Oh absolutely, C tier is still a high standard. It has to run a 5900X at 1.2v ma...
Ahh I see
whats A tier in that case?!
sudden torrent
lavish tundra
Could I get a link for that?
clever epoch
I'm curious if anybody has come up with a more rigorous test for curve optimizer other than "run a bit at high load and low load and then see if you crash"
tall pelican
my "run a game, see if you crash"?
clever epoch
Would be nice if you could test each core at each step on the V/f curve a bit more... Rigorously
left bladeBOT
Arshia#2457 has been warned
sudden torrent
All you can really do is hit it with a variety of different tests with different loads
orchid flame
That tier list is garbage
And incredibly inconsistent
like incredibly so
Just looking here there’s already issues
The Taichi x570 and x570 aorus ultra are on different tiers
When there’s literally no reason for them to be
clever epoch
All you can really do is hit it with a variety of different tests with different...
Yeah I know. I would just like to see a test that could scan and set every point on the V/f curve for each core so I can test it. It becomes exponentially more tedious the more cores you have to optimize...
orchid flame
It’s quite literally one of the worst things Imbe seen in a long time, had to talk to Luke about it
He told me he’s no longer involved
tall pelican
L luke, or ltt luke?
clever epoch
Part of the reason I returned my 5950x, because I know I would have tried to optimize all 16 cores
orchid flame
L luke, or ltt luke?
Savenjie
tall pelican
that explains nothing
orchid flame
Him and I are part of the Moboculsists team
orchid flame
that explains nothing
LTT Luke
tall pelican
I thought ltt luke's last name started with an A?
left bladeBOT
Arshia#2457 has been warned
orchid flame
Ffs
tall pelican
stop saying 💩
lavish tundra
I have tier B vrms according to the list you sent @sudden torrent
orchid flame
I’m more or less the VRM and power delivery specialist of the Moboculsits team
So it’s kinda my job to know the mobo stuff
And so I’m telling you
That sheet is complete garbage
tall pelican
dis luke
tall pelican
too many lukes
orchid flame
I mean the PSU tier list Luke
I thought by LTT you meant him cause he’s on the LTT forums
sudden torrent
I'm not preaching it as gospel or anything, just as a sort of guideline. Everyone's experience varies obviously.
orchid flame
Only issue with me is that there’s parts of it that are demonstrably false
Listen, AM4 recommendations are extremely easy
there’s like....6 motherboards that are relevant total
orchid flame
b450/x470 gaming plus max
B450 and b550 Pro VDH
B550 Elite and Pro
B550 Unify(X) and Master
Dark Hero
B550i and b550 Strix-i
tall pelican
unifyx and master both have pcie gen4 issues
orchid flame
Don’t really care
tall pelican
master says you're in gen4, does bandwidth of gen 3
unifyx literally fails to boot gen 4
orchid flame
Yep
sudden torrent
Oh hey that's my board, the X470 gaming plus max
sudden torrent
No wonder I've gotten good results lol
lavish tundra
Whats wrong with the X570 elite?
tall pelican
my c8h couldnt do 1900if because asus is stupid and cant bios right
orchid flame
With 4C06N low side
orchid flame
Whats wrong with the X570 elite?
Superceded by the b550 elite
Which is better
SiC651 vs SiC641 iirc
Not to mention memory and PCB improvements
Cheaper too
sudden torrent
Superceded by the b550 elite
Which is why we usually recommend B550 over X570 in general
orchid flame
Yep
Only relevant x570 imo is the dark hero
And even that is limited in its application
sudden torrent
Yeah if you're not doing LN2 on that it's wasted
orchid flame
On LN2 you just go Unify-X EZ
The Dark hero is what I imagine to be a board made for the average 5950x enthusiast owner
has useless features no one uses
Overpriced
Cool owl logo
Not horrible performance
Beat by a cheaper board but no one cares cause the cheaper board lacks the useless features
Not insanely priced like limited edition boards
orchid flame
I have tier B vrms according to the list you sent <@!396513761550270464>
No idea why the x570 elite is on a different tier from the x570 pro
That makes no sense
X570 pro has memory issues so you can’t even cite the PCB layers
My favorite part is that somehow the x570 elite is ranked below the b550-F
orchid flame
A board using the same old 4 phase config
orchid flame
I know
It has them on different tiers
But it shouldnt
Nor should it be lower than the b550-F
Or similar boards
Omg the b550 A pro is above the X570 elite
This has to be a joke
lavish tundra
I mean the luke savenije guy is credited in the list
tall pelican
||if you're having to credit yourself on a list, its a bad list||
orchid flame
I mean the luke savenije guy is credited in the list
Oh here’s the thing
Asked him to delete it
He can’t cause he doesn’t contribute to it anymore
Thing is
Luke openly acknowledges that he doesn’t know the most about specific mosfets ajd VRMs.
lavish tundra
orchid flame
The jurrunio guy seems to claim they do yet they don’t actually have any credentials to back it up, and you can easily identify flaws within their team kings
*rankings
lavish tundra
I usually follow that list
orchid flame
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyz...
That’s the RaisonJohn one
John Bassig is great
His tiers are bad
But the info is over 90% correct
Only a few small errors but they are few and far between
I use my own sheet, which doesn’t have tiers. Normally I can just look at the VRMs and PCB and know how good it is
lavish tundra
It identifies the X570 aorus elite as a tier C
orchid flame
John’s tiers make no sense
They’re chipset dependant
And price dependant sometimes
lavish tundra
orchid flame
Lol
That was smth
Uhh
Yeah let’s try not to say 💩 anymore
It’s become habit at this point
orchid flame
Ah 634s not 641s
orchid flame
Got that wrong
It’s 2 am my brain isn’t working enough to be able to do that
Anyways 634s are decent too
They got replaced by 639s not soon after but still
That board like....decimates a b550 A pro
And what’s the b550 A pro ranked as?
lavish tundra
It does say SiC634 for the elite
orchid flame
SiC634 yeah
I got 641 wrong
It’s cause the new one uses 651
And 641 came out about a year earlier
lavish tundra
orchid flame
@tall pelican yo do you remember when people thought 12 phase true was a lot?
When the X570 master came out?
Kinda funny to reflect on
orchid flame
And the b550-F?
lavish tundra
I mean I bought my board before b550 was a thing so yeah the x570 elite is definately nice
orchid flame
It’s straight up a good board
No idea why a board with 600A capacity is being booed.
It’s literally better than@the b550-F
A more expensive AND newer board
lavish tundra
And the b550-F?
tall pelican
<@!193597009360453633> yo do you remember when people thought 12 phase true was ...
I remember when people thought a true 12 would have better voltage regulation than a doubled 14
orchid flame
Wait what
tall pelican
people were very confused in bz's server
tall pelican
yeah
orchid flame
In their defence
tall pelican
14 that is doubled
orchid flame
The 7x2 would be worse in a few aspects
Namely ripple
It’d maintain a more consistent load line
tall pelican
you also just throw caps at it
orchid flame
In terms of droop
orchid flame
you also just throw caps at it
Asus edition
Overbuilt Output filters have never been this refreshing 
tall pelican
$20 more expensive controller vs 20 cent caps
lavish tundra
only thing i dont like about the elite is that it has no leds or debug code display anywhere
tall pelican
oh speaking of cap filtering, have you seen the meme that is rdna2's caps?
bz kinda pointed it out
orchid flame
Is it overbuilt again or under?
orchid flame
Do I need back photos?
tall pelican
die side is fine
tall pelican
tpu
tall pelican
yup
orchid flame
It’s just a few MLCCs
left bladeBOT
Arshia#2457 has been warned
orchid flame
Wtf
left bladeBOT
Arshia#2457 has been kicked
tall pelican
lmao
lavish tundra
2nd time btw
orchid flame
The egg in newegg refers to me
orchid flame
Same here tbh
orchid flame
Yeah ok that output filter is abysmal
tall pelican
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt/images/front.jpg for those wondering, look at the amazing input and output filtering
lavish tundra
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt/images/front.jpg for th...
I don understand
tall pelican
the coil whine everyone's complaining about is the input filtering
lavish tundra
can someone dumb this down for me
orchid flame
MLCCs are multi layer ceramics
Type of Capacitor
Capacitors are used to filter the output and input power
Clean it up if you will
Helps clean a signal up, aiding consistency and integrity
Good filtering on ram means better signal and better OC
Good filtering on GPU means more consistent voltage and current, so higher maximum clocks
There’s your filtering 101
lavish tundra
So the refference pcb has poopy filtering?
tall pelican
orchid flame
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt/images/front.jpg for th...
10$ says I can find a Polaris card better than this
tall pelican
bz went from 2600some to 2870 with caps and +0.048 vcore iirc
orchid flame
MSIs filtering on high end stuff is always great
Just look at z590
All round MSI does a great job
tall pelican
nah, msi just said f you, we're doing our generic board design
orchid flame
@tall pelican funny thing is some people compare this card to my motherF’ing HOF
Like I met a guy with a toxic saying his card was better than my HOF
tall pelican
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6900-xt-gaming-x-trio/images/front.jpg granted gaming x
tall pelican
yeah, msi did just normie board
orchid flame
The POSCaps make me@happy
Ok so people are starting to learn about Mosfets
Next step is to hide behind capacitors
lavish tundra
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6900-xt-gaming-x-trio/images/fr...
I can see how thats better
tall pelican
ddr5 timings
orchid flame
The most complicated electrical component is the inductor
It’s so complicated that it’s just a loop of wire
tall pelican
stupid metal wire wrapped in a coil
orchid flame
Hey actually that’s new
tall pelican
oh also for ezpz gpa booster, Im taking an electricity class this summer
tall pelican
no idea
orchid flame
R is decimal, so R15 is 150 microhenries
But I have no idea what the L is
If anyone@knows or can look it up, please ping
tall pelican
large?
tall pelican
honestly, I just thought electroboom might say it, so it makes sense
orchid flame
I’m actually family friends with electroboom
Apparently my grandpa was friends with his dad
We’re both in Vancouver so it works out
tall pelican
every canadian is somehow related to every other canadian
orchid flame
Facts, sold ram to Anthony of LTT once
Only person I have yet to meet is the fabled Seth Rogan
lavish tundra
Anthony is the best
tall pelican
I mean, I saw bitwit at mc in tustin, does that count as being cool?
orchid flame
Only if you took the garbage product he was almost certainly buying out of his hands
tall pelican
no idea
I was getting a g12, and he was walking in
this was like 2 or 3 years ago
tall pelican
in college? Nah, I'm 25
tall pelican
stuck in community hell hole
tall pelican
was chem, now IT
orchid flame
Nice
tall pelican
have an AA in chem, but any job related to chem needs a phd
orchid flame
Gimme your address I’ll fly over personally and personally hand you OLOy blade “grade A”
/s
I need to get my shop running soon tbh
tall pelican
in canadia land?
orchid flame
Will help me sell a lot more ram hopefully
orchid flame
in canadia land?
It’s a website
tall pelican
oooohhhhhh
tall pelican
pm or post in memery
orchid flame
tall pelican
oh yeah I saw that
orchid flame
It’s not just a shop though
It’ll include other stuff
Spreadsheets, testing software, social media
The works
Elmor’s type thing
tall pelican
elmor more does pcb design/fab
lavish tundra
tall pelican
send me your cheapest one so I can test gpu mods 
orchid flame
Cheapest GPU or ram?
orchid flame
Soeaking@of, does 90$+ shipping sound good for my worst bin of 3600 14-14-14 1.45v?
The kit is 140-190 retail
tall pelican
I'd go msrp for it
orchid flame
Yeah it does XMP and it does 4000 16-16-16 1.45
But it’s bad compared to the other blades
Also I want to have some cheap stuff tbh
If I don’t have cheap ram, the issue is I won’t feel like I’m contributing much
Also, not like it matters, my profit margin is still insane
tall pelican
would you ship to US too?
orchid flame
Yeah Ofc
tall pelican
I could put your web page on my fiverr page
orchid flame
North America is easy
orchid flame
I’ve had like....4 people commission OC for me before
Best was 2 hours for 150 Canadian
tall pelican
180 in just over a year
orchid flame
And how much work?
tall pelican
gpu is generic afterburner, cpus generally take about an hour
tall pelican
mem I have just freq/primaries, then a fully tuned option
orchid flame
You know what, Do you mind if I creep in on your business a bit? I’ll stick exclusively to ram
tall pelican
gl
orchid flame
Thanks
I’ll post benches and photos proving ram matters first
Oh yeah did you see my Dram Calc thingy?
I’m gonna@update it slowly each day once school ends for me
tall pelican
I mean, from ~100 different cpu/mobo/ram combos, I know you cant have a calc sheet
orchid flame
Planning to have Rev E, Rev B, C die, B die, CJR and DJR on Zen3 and Xen2
tall pelican
bdie does bdie secondaries, and that's about it
orchid flame
I can though cause I have a trick
I have “minimum” and “maximum” values
It’s not a set number
It’s a range
lavish tundra
Thats cheating
orchid flame
TBF it’s a small range
So basically you put in:
Frequency
CPU arch
Ranks
Dimm count
And it spits out everything you need
tall pelican
I see how it spits out info, and for 90% of people it wont work
orchid flame
Why not?
tall pelican
boards are dumb
lavish tundra
Fitz going off topic
orchid flame
Not like the last dram Calc
lavish tundra
what does your status mean
orchid flame
LOL
tall pelican
hypa hypa
tall pelican
wbtbwb
like mem is so messed up on low end boards that you have to inch by 1-2 timings at a time
I've had asus primes just randomly stop training set frequencies and timings
orchid flame
like mem is so messed up on low end boards that you have to inch by 1-2 timings ...
I have a server of CTR people who are all complete numbskulls
If it works for them, it’ll work for most people
Gonna get them to beta test it for me
This Friday I’ll put up only B die and Rev E and see how it goes
tall pelican
bdie would have the best chance of working
tall pelican
but like nobody who's paying you to oc their stuff has bdie
orchid flame
You’d be wrong
tall pelican
solid 80% of the mem I see is cdie
orchid flame
It’s actually mainly B die people on 5950s that pay for OC
They buy B die, expect 3800 14-14-14, can’t get it, get someone else to help them do it instead
tall pelican
those people arent on fiverr 😂
orchid flame
Fair enough
Never marketed myself lol
Every time I’ve done commission is people DMing me offering to pay me to help
tall pelican
I've gotten threadrippers with mjr and 7980xes with some 2400 corsair micron
orchid flame
orchid flame
I've gotten threadrippers with mjr and 7980xes with some 2400 corsair micron
Wait but that straight up sounds like fun
orchid flame
MJR is just stacked CJR is it not?
tall pelican
oh the mjr
orchid flame
Dual die package CJR
tall pelican
tr hated it and no boot over 3400
tall pelican
granted they were at like 256gb of mjr
orchid flame
it’s just a 16Gb CJR
orchid flame
granted they were at like 256gb of mjr
Wait is this the guy who came to OC discord later?
tall pelican
might have?
orchid flame
I swear that there was someone on OC discord with similar config
tall pelican
there's been about a dozen that stumble to oc discord
lavish tundra
I have a server of CTR people who are all complete numbskulls
CTR is trash
like absolute garbo
lavish tundra
suggested I use 4.3 all core at 1.35V
orchid flame
I’m apparently the CTR Memory expert which is funny
I don’t use CTR
Literally never downloaded it
All I do is go into the discord and laugh at ram
lavish tundra
I run 4.325 all core at 1.256V
lavish tundra
All I do is go into the discord and laugh at ram
can you dm me the invite?
orchid flame
Not to the private one but sure
Oh wait no invite perms
Cringe
Had an argument about AVX512 in there though
Which was fun
It’s really weird. I don’t like arguing with idiots
But I do love arguing with idiots about topics I’m passionate about
Architecture, ram, lithography
lavish tundra
Oh wait no invite perms
Cant you send me the link you used to join?
orchid flame
Uhh if I can dig it up if
zenith palm
I run 4.325 all core at 1.256V
1.325 mhz??
zenith palm
Makes more sense lol
orchid flame
Cant you send me the link you used to join?
That link is expired yay
Oof
I’ll get you one tmrw
lavish tundra
Ahh thanks
prisma arch
ok
sterile flame
That 0.01 extra volt will absolutely not kill it, even slowly
u know
ill do the extra 0.1v
i CANNOT even stabiilze
1.5v
beautiful
sudden torrent
It's cjr @lavish tundra
lavish tundra
Isnt 1.4 the recommended voltage for cjr?
modern walrus
I don't remember which chat thing I was in. Why is the B-550 STRIX motherboard no good?
@orchid flame
btw, unrelated, I'm supposed to pick up my 3070 from FedEx today. I'm very excited about that
lavish tundra
I don't remember which chat thing I was in. Why is the B-550 STRIX motherboard n...
Don’t remember anyone saying this
modern walrus
@orchid flame did lol
lavish tundra
Link the message
modern walrus
That's the problem I dunno where it's at
lavish tundra
And stop pinging them
modern walrus
ah whatever I'm over it
quick rose
F Strix is just fine
modern walrus
My bad about the pinging thing. Still kinda new here
lavish tundra
You dont have to be a veteran to know that spam notifications can be irritating
modern walrus
fair enough. Will stop accordingly
btw does making a storage device available over the network slow it down a lot? I get terrible benchmarks on my Seagate Barracuda HDD & I'm guessing that's why
quick rose
Depends on your network
It can
Remember that your network speed is in Bits
And your drive speed is in Bytes
modern walrus
I don't use it for other computers' file history tho
quick rose
8 bits per byte
modern walrus
I dunon why I bother with FileHistory. Everything is on OneDrive so it's kinda redundant
quick rose
SO to get 100 megabyte transfer speed over the network you need 800 mbps speeds, almost gigabit speeds
modern walrus
I see
well it's locally attached to the computer I ran benchmark on
but it always coes back in like the 13th percent tile
zenith palm
but it always coes back in like the 13th percent tile
user benchmark?
modern walrus
lol yes your favorite
zenith palm
🤦
quick rose
ooof
zenith palm
ubm is 💩
modern walrus
It avoids waiting like 15 minutes for 3DMark to run or something
CDM? okay I'll look for that
quick rose
CrystalDiskMark
modern walrus
I wanted to try Aida64 but it wants money
oh shoot I have that already
I was looking for something for overall benchmark not just the drive
zenith palm
I was looking for something for overall benchmark not just the drive
if you want a cpu benchmark use cinebench r sum
modern walrus
hmm computer just froze. I swapped my 64gb RAM at 3800 mHz CAS 18 to 32gb 3200mHz CAS 16. Do I need to redo my OC?
quick rose
OCCT for testing overclocks
modern walrus
I use CB at lot & OCCT
I use CB to check OC cuz it's faster than OCCT
1 CB run will tell me if I have L0 errors & all that fun in 10 minutes
OCCT seems to take like 30 to really start pushing high thermals
oh & for the record, I admit I could be totally wrong on everything cuz I'm a total noob
So if I say something dumb that's why
zenith palm
OCCT for testing overclocks
id recommend tn5 or whatever it is, occt wasnt catching errors/stability for sips
zenith palm
I use CB to check OC cuz it's faster than OCCT
you can change occt time btw
quick rose
Anta77 with TestMem5
modern walrus
I'm gonna run CB rn since I haven't since I swapped the RAM
dull ginkgo
If you want to test thermals, those stress tests aren't for thermals, they're for testing instability
Like p95 smallfft with avx slaps everything for thermals and power draw, so is furmark, but they're not as good at catching errors as say occt
modern walrus
I do change the OCCT time. It just seems like it waits awhile to start pushing hard (even when I get rid of the idle time on the front & back ends)
dull ginkgo
And testmem5 is basically best for now for memory testing
modern walrus
p95 is insane I don't even like using it lol
dull ginkgo
Occt large dataset?
modern walrus
I do the thing where you check AVX... the 2d column I think.
I can't look now cuz CB is running
dull ginkgo
Forgot all the settings, but the settings can dictate if you're testing for thermals or errors
Small dataset would be for thermals, with the constant load option
Large dataset with the variable load should be better for testing for errors
dull ginkgo
95c thermal throttling iirc
modern walrus
I think it's 100 on this chip
dull ginkgo
And if it hits that in cb, it has no chance against p95 smallfft, just don't bother with p95 xD
modern walrus
lol that's why
I run p95 with stock settings & hit like TJ Max on 3 cores in the first 45 seconds
modern walrus
the thermals might be cuz I have it about 4 degrees warmer than the usual ambient in here cuz I'm kinda feeling sick
dull ginkgo
Stress tests are usually worst case scenario anyways
modern walrus
yikes not a great run going on here
I had to lower RAM voltage from 1.4 to 1.35 for the new set cuz it said to
but my max temp now is 97
not good
I dunno if those two things are related
here I was thinking I'd have a higher CB score with CAS 16 instead of CAS 18 RAM
noooope
quick rose
Not when you took 600 mhz bandwidth away
quick rose
Nah, better to do it yourself
modern walrus
ya but I dunno what I'm doing tbh
there's so many RAM variables compared to CPU & GPU
is there an OC scan thing like there is for CPU & GPU for RAM?
bad run -400+ points & high thermals from my best run
dull ginkgo
Run to run variation is fun
modern walrus
Makes total sense right? Lol
Geekbench? I'll look for it
On a positive note, my cooling loop is starting to come together
it's gonna be fun trying to get to & from the top rad tho
proven canopy
This is a popular benchmark suite https://benchmate.org/
If it doesn't work out of the box, install https://aka.ms/vs/16/release/vc_redist.x86.exe
modern walrus
thank you. I'm downloading the first one now
USPS lost my package with my 140MM rad
so I can't like do anything meaningful yet cuz I dunno how the other pipes have to run
plus I gotta order a waterblock for the graphics card
I guess this should be in the cooling discord huh
proven canopy
Doesn't matter really
modern walrus
I probably should've put the custom cooling loop on the 10900K. Do I understand correctly that there isn't much headroom for OC on Ryzens?
proven canopy
They'll still benefit from high end cooling.
modern walrus
good to know thanks.
Do you still mess with your OC settings are you finally just got to where it's not worth the effort anymore?
tall pelican
Still worth it if you need high fps
Tried playing apex legends with stock core/cache on my 10900kf, and 150 fps was unplayable on my 170hz monitor. Overclocked was holding the 190 fps cap
orchid flame
Overall MB tier list
Still bad at doing that
orchid flame
F Strix is just fine
Extremely sub par
I have first hand PC and auto behaviour testing demonstrating as much
quick rose
Still bad at doing that
Never said it was good, only stated what it was.
It's super handy to have as a feature cheat sheet, just ignore the tiers.
orchid flame
It's super handy to have as a feature cheat sheet, just ignore the tiers.
were you reffering to John or jurrunios?
if itss Johns yeah
quick rose
I wasn't even really talking to you
orchid flame
Jurrinio's is just straight up useless though imo
orchid flame
I wasn't even really talking to you
literally public chat ona topic I was conversing on
sterile flame
OK so
i found out
If i want a TRTP of 6
i need to have a trfc of 279.8077ns
my ram finally can do 1.5V
fully stable
it can do tm5 occt
and in event viewer no errors show
and no bsods
CXMT 8gbit A (bad bin cjr)
still within the good trfc margin
of 260-280
and at 1.5V
3466 cl16
im shocked
at 260ns trfc nothing would work, at 270ns i would need to push 1.51 and stability still wasnt there, but at 280 stability is FULL
and on top of that i have a trtp of 6
lavish tundra
it can do tm5 occt
tm5 extreme anta or the default?
default config 💩
evn OCCT isnt very reliable tbh for complete stability
proven canopy
Buddy of mine just got 200 global points for buying an hp prebuilt with a 5400G and subbing gpupi https://hwbot.org/submission/4759356_yosarianilives_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_ryzen_3_5300g_2min_45sec_174ms
That's about as many global points as I have total
lavish tundra
AHAHAHA
proven canopy
And 1/3 of those are from a chip that guy gave me lol
sterile flame
@orchid flame i can pull this OC on my kit at 1.51-1.54V
what voltage to choose
cxmt 8gbit a
lavish tundra
<@!291385304743542784> i can pull this OC on my kit at 1.51-1.54V
Are you gonna tag each and every member in this server till you get what you want to hear as the answer?
sterile flame
Are you gonna tag each and every member in this server till you get what you wan...
i mean
he said 1.51v
isnt bad
im just double confirming
1.52v is extreme
1.51v is HARD brakes
sterile flame
10900K can take the pummeling right? lol
10900k is beautiful
500W cpu with an overclock
lavish tundra
ok mate sure
sterile flame
no like
ive seen one reach 500w
i genuinely love the 10900k
plus its priced like a 5800x rn
sterile flame
Are you gonna tag each and every member in this server till you get what you wan...
nah i just wondered
what others would say
cause its a mix bag
some say 1.45v
some say 1.5v
some say slightly above
sterile flame
hits 300W with an overclock
lol
but a 500w 10900k
is like 5.6ghz
or 5.7ghz
tho
lavish tundra
stats?
lavish tundra
its 317W at 5.1
zenith palm
Bruh be out here pulling wattage nums outta their 
lavish tundra
@sterile flame the higest the cpu goes in that vid is 350W
I watched it over 2 times
to make sure I missed nothing
so please
keep the false info to yourself
no need for spreading it
tall pelican
to get 500w, you need ln2
not even 1.5v load in p95, doing like 5.8 will pull more than 400w
lavish tundra
Yep the video said the cryocooler takes 250W and the chip can take another 250W
IG the justno guy added those together and said yep cpu takes 500W
lmao
quick rose
@frank crow ▶️ 9. No sweepstakes/giveaways, e-begging, trading or selling on this server.
orchid flame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIBr3SCqVWY
cant maintain it
left bladeBOT
Arshia#2457 has been warned
orchid flame
the Peltier in the ML360 Sub Zero is horrendous
it cant maintain the 5.6 under stress long term
a good loop will still be much better
orchid flame
its 317W at 5.1
thats way too high
you must be running some insane voltage if thats the case for you
cause 334 is what my chip averages
and its clocked at 5.5
though I have a good UV on my chip
I've seen spikes up to 440
lavish tundra
thats way too high
Peak not sustained.
From benches on different sites
I dont have that chip
lavish tundra
I run 4.325 at 1.24V on a trash cooler
On my 3600x
Cant go further because solid thermal limts
lavish tundra
For my 3Dmark run I was running 4.425ghz all core at 1.256V
Not prime95 stable
But stable enough to give a bump in perf for timespy
modern walrus
how the heck can you clock 5.5? 5.5 on all cores?? I can't even get a stable 5.1 on all cores because of the heat. My 5.0 on all cores is will hit 93 degrees on CB Multi. I'm running Arctic Freezer II 360 on it. What the heck am I doing wrong?
I mean what the heck? I've been doing measurements considering whether to hole saw a way to pull air in from the bottom of the case to try to feed more cool air to the AIO. 5.5? my chip must be pretty bad then
modern walrus
heck
I'm at 1.300v running 5.0 on all cores hitting 94 on R23
It's 70-75 degrees Fahrenheit in my place so it's not like the ambient is high
tall pelican
here's r23
modern walrus
I turned the ring ratio up to 4.8 as my consolation prize for not being able to keep thermals decent at 5.1
at what voltage?
tall pelican
vr vout, not sure what's in bios
modern walrus
oh okay. I gotta look at Vcore cuz I don't think I have that reading
Jeez. I just had a horrible run.
I'm about to force a fan there lol
gosh darn it I just saw 3 errors too
what a mess
just fixed LLC hopefully that'll solve the L0 issue. My 10900K is mediocre wow
nocturne pecan
I would like to overclock my Z590 Aorus motherboard (slightly) I am running a 10th generation intel 1/9 processor. Does anyone have a safe link for me to do this?
sudden torrent
You gotta use the right kind of blade for metal, but nice job! Almost looks like it was meant to be there.
modern walrus
haha thanks. All I had was a 4.something inch hole saw for cutting in high hat lights
it was about perfect sizewise
Problem is the impact likes to go nuts with hole saws. It takes a lot of torque to spin one that big so I had to go slow so the neighbors didn't hear it
it kinda helped. I figured the air being pushed into the shrouds was being wasted & this way it shoots straight up to the AIO
I did like 4 degrees better on CB
sudden torrent
Ah forget the neighbors, I'd just shift to hammer drill and go at it
modern walrus
My brother has my hammer drill. I had to use this megladon impact haha
check this sucker out
sudden torrent
Not bad, I favor the DeWalt myself
modern walrus
The thing makes about as much torque as a mini Cooper so it's really vocal
back when I was in the electrical trade I mostly had Milwaukee but I got such a good deal on that thing that I ended up buying some DeWalt stuff to go with the batteries
they're great tools. I like using them. I sent a lot of Milwaukee tools back for warranty repair but we also kicked the crap out of them daily
sudden torrent
I almost managed to burn out the motor on my drill trying to mount a surveillance camera on concrete. I went through 2 batteries.
modern walrus
I think that hole saw was actually for drywall or plaster. it was smoking by the end
haha ya I burned the motor on an M18 Fuel 1/2 driver forcing a 3/4" bit thru concrete. I went out & got a 1-5/8" rotary hammer to handle big holes after that. That thing is a beast. It's truly amazing what they can run on a battery these days. Have you seen the Milwaukee MX like? I think that's what it's called. Anyway, they make massive concrete cutting saws & even a core drill that runs on battery
I wish I got to try that thing out. Core drilling is fun despite being mildly terrifying
sudden torrent
Yeah it's crazy what can be done with more efficient motors these days. Anyway, time for bed. G'night
modern walrus
night
zenith palm
Wth why is that 2700 so high
tall pelican
5000 cpu score?
lavish tundra
Wth why is that 2700 so high
he cheated
first 3 arent legit
Floppa told me that if someone has say a 2080 and an rx570 in the same system, it submits scores to both pages
zenith palm
Bruh
lavish tundra
so that guy basically used a 2080ti or something to bench his rx570 and obv got top place
zenith palm
Stoopid
lavish tundra
nah bro he just put a 2080ti and 570 in sli
modern walrus
Why do you hate your ISP? They're pretty much universally terrible
Xfinity can basically say whatever they want to me. What am I gonna do about it? switch to horrible AT&T internet? No
lavish tundra
Why do you hate your ISP? They're pretty much universally terrible
I paid for 200mbps and had to call em for over 2 weeks daily for em to enable that speed in their systems
and that pissed me off
and I hate em now
modern walrus
Well my parents have uverse. It's slow as heck, cuts off, & when they come "fix it" it's back to crap 3 weeks later.
How anyone can still provide DSL in 2021 blows my mind. It's very high bit stream DSL tho so we pretend
fierce jungle
Anyone good with Intel mobo memory overclock?
sudden torrent
^ He's trying to get his memory to run at rated xmp at least, 4400c19, with an 11900k
I'm less familiar with the newer gen intel chips or I'd help
fierce jungle
Sorry should have mentioned something's lol
quick rose
Thats pushing for intel imc lol.
fierce jungle
Thats pushing for intel imc lol.
11th gen supports 5033. I am just trying for 4k
fierce jungle
Yes technically. Lol sorry. Highest any boards claims at the moment
Intel that is
Usually run ASUS. But since availability is scarce, ASROCK is what we get. Lol
You'd think spending 5-10k a week with @wise quartz they would be cooler with you
dull ginkgo
Thats pushing for intel imc lol.
top memory frequencies on hwbot atm, pretty sure top entry is just broken sub atm, 2-8 are Intel 11th gen chips, 9 is with a 4700ge, 10-12 are with Intel 10th gen chips, 13 is with a 4750g, and 14-16 are Intel 11th gen chips
fierce jungle
Damn I want to return them then lol
dull ginkgo
well, who knows, I'd just wait for fitz or arshia or someone else familiar with Intel ram things
fierce jungle
Usually I get 3k and run xmp. but like I said ASUS normally
well running at 3200mhz seems to be stable.
sudden torrent
top memory frequencies on hwbot atm, pretty sure top entry is just broken sub at...
Pretty sure that's before the "double" part of the double data rate, so it's more like 7200 being top speed on LN2
dull ginkgo
@sudden torrent the math would work out right, but only if it's tripled for some reason
which is the weird part to me
sudden torrent
Yeah that top entry is clearly borked, I mean for the second and below entries
sudden torrent
Yeah I figured you knew but the other guy might not know. From the lens of the uninitiated just under 4000 being the world record would make it sound a lot harder to run the XMP at 4400 lol.
dull ginkgo
oh yea lol
fierce jungle
Pretty sure that's before the "double" part of the double data rate, so it's mor...
That's what I was thinking since I can get one to almost 4400 with xmp.
Two doesn't bode so well
sudden torrent
It's definitely more strain on the IMC, which adjusting voltages and ratios can help with. I just don't know which ones will help with this specific issue lol.
sudden torrent
Did a little reading for you @fierce jungle and you'll need to run Gear 2 mode, especially at speeds above ~3800.
You'll probably need to adjust your base clock (bclk) to 103, which means you'll also need to adjust every other frequency on the computer. You may need to increase VCCIO and VCCSA voltage. If you don't want to do all this (don't blame you) there's always the option of setting the memory frequency and timings manually, based on what XMP is supposed to be.
Asrock bios doesn't know how to do these things automatically, some other boards do.
tall pelican
top memory frequencies on hwbot atm, pretty sure top entry is just broken sub at...
https://hwbot.org/submission/4761348_hammerdown_memory_frequency_ddr4_sdram_3990.24_mhz just some noob who doesnt know mhz from mt/s
is on a laptop, and really only at 2666
fierce jungle
Did a little reading for you <@!532765211623555082> and you'll need to run Gear ...
It actually is set to that. Bclk is like 103.5
dull ginkgo
@tall pelican oh they subbed their CPU frequency for the memory frequency lmao
CPUz validation says their CPU is running 3990.24mhz
sudden torrent
is on a laptop, and really only at 2666
Isn't the more logical reason that he LN2 cooled his laptop and glitched everything to hell?
tall pelican
or that a "rookie" doesnt know how to sub
sudden torrent
It was a joke but yes that's entirely likely
finite frigate
nah bro he just put a 2080ti and 570 in sli
close enough tbh
fierce jungle
so i was able to get some of the overclocking done. seems to be doing pretty good so far.
fierce jungle
free demo on steam or buy it
I did
finite frigate
use it instead of user bench
fierce jungle
use 3d mark
fierce jungle
use it instead of user bench
it came out pretty good as well i think
fierce jungle
haha this is a cheap build
finite frigate
for your hardware ofc
fierce jungle
i need a better mobo and power supply
finite frigate
haha this is a cheap build
heh so is mine
fierce jungle
cheapest itx z590 i could find
quick rose
Making me want to push my 3700x a little bit.
finite frigate
my best gpu run
best overall
oops
and it beats everyone elses by a long shot
fierce jungle
hmm wheres that info at lol
fierce jungle
well whats weird is they seem to have higher options for gpu clock
must be using afterburner
fierce jungle
i was using the asus gpu tweak lol
finite frigate
ah
fierce jungle
max it let me do was 2095
quick rose
Mmmmm, I've had both, still like Afterburner best.
finite frigate
and from my exp with my card amd drivers is the best for polaris cards at least
not ab
quick rose
Well yeah, your card. Steal has a 3070 XD My score in Timespy was done with Afterburner as well, havn't tried it with X1 yet. Mebbe I should.
I'm within spitting distance of Forks
finite frigate
idk if you know yet
but
close aafterburner after applying clocks
you should get few extra gpu score
like around 50-100
same thing for x1
quick rose
Ya, I need to fine tune some things that I haven't done yet
finite frigate
ye
quick rose
I also need to do it on a cool day XD