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modern walrus May 23, 2021, 12:39 AM

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I'm applying basic electrical ideas. Like if your voltage stays constant at 120v, and you send 18 amps on a #12 wire, you're fine. If you increase the amps to 50, you melt the wire.

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and it melts because increasing the amperage creates heat, which further increases resistance

tall pelican May 23, 2021, 12:40 AM

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that's just internal resistance of the wire

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if the wire is an inch long, it'll most likely be fine

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 12:41 AM

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I see

tall pelican May 23, 2021, 12:42 AM

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there's a reason the psu eps sends 12v, then the vrm right next to the cpu converts it to the 1.2v

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 12:42 AM

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well - length shouldn't matter much for if it'll melt at all, cross sectional area will

tall pelican May 23, 2021, 12:42 AM

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and even then, the vrm does like 1.3v in order to get 1.2 by the time it gets to the cpu

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 12:42 AM

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That said if it's real short - it'll conduct heat away at either end easily

tall pelican May 23, 2021, 12:42 AM

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proven canopy well - length shouldn't matter much for if it'll melt at all, cross sectional ar...

"on a #12 wire"

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 12:43 AM

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well ya higher voltage means less voltage loss when conducted over a distance. Hence why your house uses 120 volts but the power lines outside are 3000+. Also why long transmission lines are up to 500,000v

tall pelican May 23, 2021, 12:44 AM

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its not just that, but if the cpu needs 200A at 1.2v, you can send 20A at 12v and have the vrm convert it closer to the source

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 12:44 AM

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hence why Thomas Edison lost to Westinghouse for electrical infrastructure

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Edison's idea was essentially wire everything as 12v. Sure you'll need a copper conductor 10 inches wide to send power 100 miles but it's safer

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but now I'm flirting with DC v. AC voltage and that's outside the scope of this discussion

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okay I'm now on YouTube watching "What is a semi-conductor" lol thanks for pointing me in the right direction

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 12:59 AM

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I don't think edison's plan was 12v everywhere, pretty sure it was 110v DC

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_currents#:~:text=Edison designed his utility to,had invented for the system.

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 12:59 AM

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oh... well ya the entire basis of the decision was AC v. DC voltage

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 12:59 AM

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DC lost because AC was was easier to convert at the time

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:00 AM

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Doesn't DC require a much larger conductor to send it long distances?

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 1:00 AM

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High voltage DC long distance transmission is more efficient nowadays because of semiconductor electronics

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No, and you don't have capacitive/em/skin effect losses

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:01 AM

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well I think that sheds some light on my confusion because the basic, older technology seems to be the opposite

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eddy currents

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L0 Cache errors are caused by insufficient voltage?

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oh and let me clarify something: when you say DC over long distance is "more efficient" do you mean more efficient than DC transmission used to be or more efficient than conducting AC voltage?

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 1:14 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current

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There are pros and cons

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But the tech to both invert and rectify on that scale with good efficiency/cost wasn't a thing 100 years ago

clever epoch May 23, 2021, 1:38 AM

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modern walrus L0 Cache errors are caused by insufficient voltage?

Most likely yes. You're trying to run at an unstable frequency for the voltage

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 1:39 AM

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Could be too high ring/mesh for your vcore

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Or just regular core instability

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Thank you all @sterile flame @clever epoch @tall pelican I know I have a lot to learn. My bad if I get annoying with dumb questions

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Ring should be - 3 of CPU ratio?

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 1:40 AM

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no problem

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:41 AM

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I try to set cpu ration with ring on auto first

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Usually yeah, something like 47/50 on a 9900k, varies by platform

tall pelican May 23, 2021, 1:41 AM

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max ring is whatever's stable

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:41 AM

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Ratio

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I dunno why it tagged forbi meant @proven canopy see I can't even use the chat right haha

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Another question. I know usually you should just apply the same settings to all cores but in my case core 4 seems to always get hottest. Is it a bad idea to try to leave that core at a slightly lower setting?

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Or will multiple settings just invite further instability?

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Also why is it that after 4 hours of OCCT w/ AVX it'll show my max temp as like 79 then 5 seconds of P95 has 4 cores at TJMAX?

sudden torrent May 23, 2021, 1:45 AM

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P95 is a synthetic load, putting unrealistic strain on the CPU

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:45 AM

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So is OCCT a reliable source to determine whether thermals are okay? Should I be averaging the two?

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 1:45 AM

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what cpu/board/ram

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:47 AM

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10900k/MSI MPG Gaming Carbon WiFi/G.Skill Trident Z Neo (32gbx2@3800)

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I wish I'd been patient & gotten a Ryzen 9 so PC would be largely pointless lol

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I had a stable 5.0/core going with -1 AVX offset. I got it pretty stable without an offset then decided to go for the gold & try to get a 5.1gHz OC stable

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 1:53 AM

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10900k is a great chip lol

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 1:57 AM

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I have no complaints about the chip. I'm just trash at OC

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I'm thinking I lost the silicone lottery (maybe nowadays a better name for it would be silicone shuffle) because I read forums where people claim stable OC at 5.2, 5.3, & even 5.4.

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Friend's data https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jSNF2ZstrEmcR4JJpBdA9ZfsrA8xlcC1nLZneEZEl9E/edit#gid=283718095

Google Docs

10900K Binning - Statistics

Statistics

Percentile,Silicon Prediction,Clock Speed
SP,Count,%,0,61,49
60-69,149,63.40425532,0.01,63,49
70-79,18,7.659574468,0.02,63,49
80-89,42,17.87234043,0.03,63,49
90-99,22,9.361702128,0.04,63,49
100+,4,1.70212766,0.05,63,50
0.06,63,50
63SP,141,60,0.07,63,50
0.08,63,50
No. of CPUs,235,0.09,...

modern walrus May 23, 2021, 2:23 AM

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I'm in the bottom 67% I guess then

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I even reapplied my thermal paste earlier

trail sail May 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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what kind of voltages do you guys run for a 3700X?

dull ginkgo May 23, 2021, 3:03 PM

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1.25 is a safe bet for manual, but pbo is good

trail sail May 23, 2021, 3:55 PM

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i have been running 1.375v @ 4.35ghz but now realize that's a tad high...

dull ginkgo May 23, 2021, 3:55 PM

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very..

trail sail May 23, 2021, 3:55 PM

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i was worried because i always see 1.5v spikes so i figured i'd lock it to 1.375v

dull ginkgo May 23, 2021, 3:55 PM

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but chip to chip differences mean there is no safe voltage for every chip

trail sail May 23, 2021, 3:56 PM

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but now i'm reading that raises the average voltage and since i just game, i should leave it stock

dull ginkgo May 23, 2021, 3:56 PM

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pbo is good

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Amd dont recommend above 1.3v iirc

trail sail May 23, 2021, 3:57 PM

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i just have pbo & xmp enabled in the bios, and am only getting a 10% reduction in multicore performance in cinebench r23

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single core is within margin of error

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imma dummy, it's lasted a year with those settings too

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temps have always been perfect as well

quick rose May 23, 2021, 3:59 PM

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What ram speed?

trail sail May 23, 2021, 3:59 PM

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3600mhz ripjaws v cl16 (b-die)

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32gb, 4x8

dull ginkgo May 23, 2021, 4:00 PM

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I ran like 4.4ghz at 1.375v manual for a few months on my 3800x, it doesn't clock that high any more

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Degradation

trail sail May 23, 2021, 4:00 PM

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i was never able to hit more than the 4.35 after much testing, unless i upped the voltage more

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 4:00 PM

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trail sail 3600mhz ripjaws v cl16 (b-die)

You could possibly oc that ram

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 4:01 PM

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trail sail i was never able to hit more than the 4.35 after much testing, unless i upped th...

Don't up it too much degradation not good

trail sail May 23, 2021, 4:01 PM

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i've tried, but didn't have much luck. never messed with ram oc before

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 4:01 PM

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There are many ram oc genius's in here lol

trail sail May 23, 2021, 4:03 PM

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i've been more concerned about my 1070 hanging in there to realize i been being ballsy af with my cpu lol

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 4:13 PM

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trail sail i've been more concerned about my 1070 hanging in there to realize i been being ...

What do you mean?

trail sail May 23, 2021, 4:16 PM

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i take better care of my gpu & worry about it more than my cpu

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Your gpu will be fine, even if overclocked

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It's actually safer cus you don't have to mess with voltage

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:31 PM

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trail sail i have been running 1.375v @ 4.35ghz but now realize that's a tad high...

anything above 1.3V for ryzen is killing the cpu

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also the spikes to 1.5V are on idle or low load

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so it doesnt matter as much

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:33 PM

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1.25v for zen2 and on is considered max safe under any load

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:33 PM

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proven canopy 1.25v for zen2 and on is considered max safe under any load

fr?

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I always thought it was 1.3

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:34 PM

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It'll vary by chip - but if someone's asking "what's the max safe all core voltage" that's the answer

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:34 PM

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I see

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Im in the safe range regardless

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:35 PM

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If you're letting the chip control it's own voltage, it'll see 1.5v often for idle/low loads and that's fine

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:35 PM

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proven canopy If you're letting the chip control it's own voltage, it'll see 1.5v often for id...

yeah idle doesnt really matter

sudden torrent May 23, 2021, 8:35 PM

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1.3v is "safe" for zen 3 according to AMD

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Under normal gamer use cases, 1.3 probably is, but not for p95 or something

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:36 PM

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voltage + high current bad right

sudden torrent May 23, 2021, 8:36 PM

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1.25v for Zen 2

sudden torrent May 23, 2021, 8:36 PM

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lavish tundra voltage + high current bad right

Yes

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:36 PM

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lol ctr suggested I use a 4.2ghz profile at 1.35V

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its horribly bad

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:37 PM

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ctr is a cpu destroyer

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Idk why 1usmus has the following they have

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:37 PM

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I got more perf with less voltage

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:37 PM

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You should see anta777 roast him on the forums

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:37 PM

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proven canopy You should see anta777 roast him on the forums

Please link an example

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:38 PM

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proven canopy Idk why 1usmus has the following they have

Im pretty sure its the 1 vid linus made praising ctr

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:38 PM

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No, it started with dram calculator

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https://forums.overclockers.ru/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=618848&hilit=ajr&start=17860

DDR-4 на платформах AMD. Статистика разгона, советы, обсуждение рез...

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:39 PM

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ah yes I forgot 1usmus did that

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Google translate it

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Chrome should have the option to do it for you

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:45 PM

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AYO did anta just hit 1usmus with a freudian concept

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I love anta

proven canopy May 23, 2021, 8:45 PM

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based

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Same guy who made those TM5 configs ofc

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Yep

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extreme anta

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config

tall pelican May 23, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Ctr was also like: "you have poop sample 3900xt" only does 4.6/4.3ghz at 1.2v

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 9:34 PM

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tall pelican Ctr was also like: "you have poop sample 3900xt" only does 4.6/4.3ghz at 1.2v

It told me I have gold sample. same test 5 mins later: u have bronze poop chip

clever epoch May 23, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I managed to go from bronze to gold by just changing LLC on a 5800x

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CTR is a waste of time tbh

lavish tundra May 23, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Its not a waste of time

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Its a waste of cpu health

delicate temple May 23, 2021, 10:14 PM

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What benchmark?

zenith palm May 23, 2021, 10:23 PM

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CTR is clock tuner for ryzen which is supposed to help you oc but its bleh

delicate temple May 23, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Ohhh

trail sail May 23, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I just set everything in the bios to auto and am running only PBO & XMP and it's running great

clever epoch May 23, 2021, 11:32 PM

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lavish tundra Its a waste of cpu health

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

Tenor

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:25 AM

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Does C-State need to be disabled for OC?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:25 AM

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For stability on more extreme OC it's a good idea

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Mostly only needed if your computer has trouble waking up from sleep or something

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:32 AM

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ah okay thanks.

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I think 5.0 is as extreme as my CPU is going to allow with my current setup.

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:33 AM

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Yeah that's not high enough that I'd call it necessary unless you're having problems with stability

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:34 AM

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50 core ratio, 47 ring ratio, 0 AVX offset, LLC Mode 4, I'm still hitting 89 degrees on CB R23

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Looks like beefier cooling solution is the next step, that's where I'm at too.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Yesterday I spent hours trying to get stable with a 51 core ratio and when I finally did I was hitting TJMAX on 4 cores

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I have a Coolermaster 360 AIO

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and I just redid the thermal paste on it just to be sure it wasn't bad

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:36 AM

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modern walrus I have a Coolermaster 360 AIO

Well there's your problem. A cheap 360 is only about as good as a decent 240.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:36 AM

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with the stable 50 I'm at 1.290v

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yikes. $220 is a cheap AIO? lol

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I was thinking I'd either change the AIO or swap out the 3 in 1 fan setup it comes with & throw three Noctua NF-F12s on the AIO since they're nearly double the static pressure

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but then again that's a $75 investment on fans that may or may not get me anywhere

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:39 AM

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Depending on which 360 it is, yeah. It can be cheap build quality but deceptively cost more.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:39 AM

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MasterLiquid ML350P Silver Edition

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:39 AM

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ML series is meh

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:40 AM

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Seems that way

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Who makes the best AIOs you think? Kraken?

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well NZXT rather.

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:41 AM

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Kraken is good but overpriced. All you're paying for really is the name and a tiny LCD screen.

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EK-AIO, Lian Li Galahad, and Liquid Freezer II

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:42 AM

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I mean is it worth the investment tho? i.e. am I likely to jump from stable 50 to stable 52-53?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:42 AM

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Liquid Freezer II is sitting at the top of Gamer's Nexus' charts last I checked

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:43 AM

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modern walrus I mean is it worth the investment tho? i.e. am I likely to jump from stable 50 t...

That's a question you have to answer yourself. Is the investment worth a potential 5% gain in performance?

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:44 AM

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True but I guess what I meant to ask is whats the likelihood of obtaining that 5% gain

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Like is a new AIO so much better than my current one that I'll actually see that gain

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:44 AM

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Pretty good odds, since not only can it go higher it can go higher longer

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It also has a little VRM fan that helps a bit with airflow there

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:46 AM

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Really? okay maybe I'm looking at it wrong. I saw where the bin numbers put the liklihood of having a 10900k capable of a 53 ratio are only about 1 in 3

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:46 AM

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53 isn't likely, sure, but you have a better chance when you're below tjmax

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Lower temps = better OC

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:47 AM

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I think I also have to factor in my motherboard. I have an MSI Gaming Carbon Wifi which from what I've gathered from others in here isn't spectacular in the OC department

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& swapping the mobo is headache city since Windows will see it as a whole new system & want a new product key

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I guess I could transfer this one but still a mission

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not to mention it'll be like $300 for a good mobo

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:48 AM

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Not necessarily, once you sign into your MS account you can simply hit "I changed hardware" and done

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:49 AM

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I wish I went ASUS on the mobo to begin with but I had no idea which video card I'd finally end up with

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then I somehow won the shuffle & got the ASUS UF-rtx3060-O12G

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rather

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TUF-RTX3060-O12G

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Not bad, that one has a way overkill cooler

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:50 AM

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I was hoping for at least a 3070 but given the circumstances I'm pretty darn happy

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I use it at +700 mem clock & +200 GPU clock. I can't get it stable any higher

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Hindsight being what it is, I also wish I'd looked at different cases. my H500P Mesh looks great but there's no side mount or bottom air flow places

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So I basically have top radiator/exhaust, back exhaust, & front intake. I upgraded the fans from the stock 200mms to Thermaltake Riing Trios

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but fan-wise I'm pretty much maxxed out

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:53 AM

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Looking at various test data sets it looks like moving to a liquid freezer ii would reduce your CPU temps about 6 degrees at least

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:54 AM

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Too bad you can't get the top panel in mesh cuz there isn't much space for the radiator exhaust to escape

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oh wow 6 degrees would put me in a pretty good spot

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:56 AM

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Based on a couple different tests, ML360P is 4 degrees behind Kraken X72, Kraken is behind freezer by another 2 degrees

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:56 AM

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I only see Liquid Freezer II in 120, 240, & 280 on Newegg. Is there no 360? 280 won't fit the case

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:57 AM

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https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07WNJCVNW

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modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:58 AM

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ya that'

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that's a nice AIO hmm

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:58 AM

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There's even a 420 if you get a big chungus case

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:58 AM

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You don't think changing the fans would get me anywhere near 6 degrees right?

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lol

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I know the answer is no but had to ask

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 6:58 AM

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Maybe 2 degrees changing fans

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 6:59 AM

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you're not gonna get much better on fans unless you alter ML120s or use server fans

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i would just push/pull

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 6:59 AM

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ya $75 on fans for 2 degrees vs $125 on AIO for 6

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Problem is I can't fit push/pull

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The 360 is like a 1/16" away from hitting the CPU power cables as is

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If I re-ran the CPU cables somewhere else it'll look nasty

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:01 AM

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liquid freezer ii 360 is 1 cable for the entire thing

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:01 AM

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sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:01 AM

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wait no

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nvm ye

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:02 AM

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They daisy chain

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:02 AM

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ye

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1 cable for entire thing'

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:03 AM

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No RGB so it's easier to manage too

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:03 AM

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I've been working on another build. The motherboard is Ryzen this time & I'm attempting to do a custom loop

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Ooh those are fun

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:03 AM

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sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Stressful, but fun

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:04 AM

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ya but not for your wallet for sure lol

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That's what I've done so far

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I should be getting my 2d 360mm & another 120mm radiator in the mail tomorrow

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:04 AM

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when i got confused i looked at AIO and i realized my daisy chain 8 pin PCIe was stopping the middle fan from spinning

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lmao

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:05 AM

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D'oh

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:05 AM

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I'm gonna do one 360 to the CPU & one to the GPU then have them hit the 120 before they come back to the pump so the liquid is a decent temp in the pump

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:05 AM

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i would get a P500A for custom looping

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Or 5000d

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:06 AM

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put a 120/140mm reservoir at the back fan mount, 420mm push pull on the front and a 280mm top

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:06 AM

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I'm kinda kicking myself in the butt for not going all corsair

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:07 AM

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corsair fans are garbage

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the AIO fans/ML120 pros are good

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:07 AM

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haha ok nvm then

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:07 AM

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but LL120s/QL120s etc are garb

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:07 AM

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I'm going mostly thermaltake

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:07 AM

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Corsair software is trash

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:07 AM

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iCUE is totally fine

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:07 AM

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all the radiator fans are thermaltake & so are the 4 200mms

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:08 AM

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thing is with it, you just open the program, set the profile and close it

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:08 AM

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Eh, everyone has opinions

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:08 AM

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it'll freeze the RGB but you keep the colors you set on the hardware

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:08 AM

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I despise how intrusive it is, and it tends to break forcing you to reapply everything frequently (from my experience)

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:08 AM

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when it comes to mouses its def buggy

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:09 AM

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well in my experience MysticLight is junk, MasterPlus is junk, AmouryCrate is junk, & TT RGB Plus is junk

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I don't understand why these companies can't make decent software for their RGB

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and how there's no unifying controller for them.

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:10 AM

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True there's not really any single best program

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:10 AM

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I have to use all 4 I just mentioned on my H500P build. It's exhausting

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:10 AM

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You can try using openrgb if you are mixing brands to get it more unified but that has its own problems

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:11 AM

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& both ArmouryCrate & MysticLight wanna control the RAM despite my settings so then that gets all confused & like half the lights will be one thing and half another

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I attempted to use Jack RGB but that was useless

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Not to mention the XPG RGB software or G.Skill's

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trash & trash

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Yep didn't even bother installing the XPG one, but dragon center didn't detect my RAM until I did a full reinstall of Windows

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:13 AM

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XPG's RGB colors on the S40G are so off

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If you try to put white it looks light purple

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so goofy

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:14 AM

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Mine are slightly blue shifted, so annoying.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:14 AM

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MysticLight has detected my RAM since day one. It was fine until I installed ArmouryCrate to change the little light on the graphics card

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They really incentivize you to purchase only their products when it comes to RGB

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It's like barely anything is compatible

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I could connect my CoolerMaster controller to MysticLight but the settings r blah

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Thermaltake barely plays ball with anyone. The Trio 200mm fans only work on TT RGB cuz of the power draw or some nonsense

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It's such an annoying thing to deal with. If I wanna leave the computer on overnight to run OCCT or something, I have to turn off the lights in 4 different programs

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Lol I did kinda the same, when I got my Gigabyte GPU I just turned off all 6 lighting zones and uninstalled the app.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:19 AM

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That Jack RGB program is like ya it works with MSI but you have to do these like 4 steps oh & make sure DragonCenter is on if Jack RGB is on or you can permanently mess up the MSI motherboard RGB crap

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:20 AM

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OpenRGB had an issue with MSI where it could straight brick the RGB, they had to disable MSI compatibility for a while.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:20 AM

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I think the same w/ Jack RGB

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You have to do it through SDK or something

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:20 AM

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MSI is touchy I guess

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:20 AM

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if you used the old method it could brick it

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Computer components are so strange. You buy like a $400 part & it doesn't even come with instructions

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 7:22 AM

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speaking of rgb software

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https://www.whirlwindfx.com/pages/signalrgb

Whirlwind FX

SignalRGB

The only RGB software you'll ever need. Never again will you have to run a software for every single brand of RGB devices that you own. SignalRGB is a powerful software that controls all of your RGB devices better than the original software your devices come with. SignalRGB features 50+ top game integrations, tons of p

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iCUE on steroids with majority of other programs mixed in

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:22 AM

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I get this nonsense going with the RAM. That's supposed to be yellow

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:23 AM

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There's yellow in there, what are you so mad about? lol

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:23 AM

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shoot I might be installing that otnight

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tonight

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The other random colors haha

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ArmouryCrate & MysticLight off:

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What is telling those lights to be pink & purple rn? Wth

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:25 AM

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This is why some level of standardization is needed, it avoids strange conflicts like that

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:26 AM

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I agree

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RGB needs standardization & so does the connections on power supplies

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I needed an extra Molex cable (before it dawned on me that you can just convert SATA) & they're nearly impossible to find

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:28 AM

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I kept all of my old cable adapters through the years, I still have the sata to molex to 6 pin PCIe weird cable I got with an ancient GPU

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:28 AM

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While I'm on the issue of compatibility, if a case comes with two separate connections for the USB C 3.2 & USB A 3.0 but the motherboard only has one connection, can you split that or you just have to choose either one?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:29 AM

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USB C uses a different kind of header

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:29 AM

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Lol ya but isn't 52w the limit on Sata/Molex? i.e. connect a modern graphics card & watch the cable melt?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:30 AM

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Yep that's why I'd only ever use it on this 75W 750ti a friend gave me

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:31 AM

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one of those connects to the USB C

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how the heck I don't know

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both look like USB 3.0

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:32 AM

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So one of those goes to 2x type A and the other a type C?

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:32 AM

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correct

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no idea what it looks like internally but connection wise they look identical

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I already had to get this to deal with the fact that my fans need 3 controllers plus the case USBs

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So 2 headers was not going to be enough

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:35 AM

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Each 3.0 header can support either 2x 3.0+ ports or 4 USB 2.0 ports

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:36 AM

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https://smile.amazon.com/Sabrent-Internal-USB-Splitter-HB-INTS/dp/B08Y3GG82F/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=usb+3.0+splitter+internal&qid=1621841756&sr=8-4

Amazon.com: Sabrent Internal USB 3.0 Hub/Splitter (HB-INTS): Comput...

Amazon.com: Sabrent Internal USB 3.0 Hub/Splitter (HB-INTS): Computers & Accessories

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I guess I could get that thing

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Those are all 2.0s

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oh wait you mean for the 3.0? Cool no USB C for me I guess

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I wonder if there's a way to convert like one of those mini PICe connections to USB 3.0 lol

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:38 AM

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Yes there's PCIe x1 to USB 3.0 header adapters

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:38 AM

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is it the x16 or the smaller one?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:39 AM

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x1, here I'll grab a link to one I'm looking at

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https://www.newegg.com/en-labs-model-pcieu3acs20/p/17Z-00FJ-00002

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:40 AM

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I was just looking at one just like that one trying to figure out if the connection for the USB 3.0 on the back is in or out

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:41 AM

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That converts the PCIe 3.0 slot to effectively 4 USB ports

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:41 AM

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ah okay

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lol great & because of how the case is to mount the GPU vertically, I'll need a riser to connect that

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assuming the cable from the case USBs even make it that far

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makes

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 7:42 AM

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modern walrus https://smile.amazon.com/Sabrent-Internal-USB-Splitter-HB-INTS/dp/B08Y3GG82F/ref...

Only issue I've had with mine is a boot miscommunication when I had it as a powered hub. Unplug the sata power and it works like a splitter

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:43 AM

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It comes with a low profile bracket, maybe you could use it that way?

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:43 AM

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sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:44 AM

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Or just get one that doesn't have the external connection and take the bracket off completely

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:44 AM

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That whole thing turned on this case for vertical mount

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:45 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/PCI-Ports-Header-Express-Dual/dp/B07GSQR6D4

Amazon.com: PCI-E X1 to 2 Ports 19 Pin USB 3.0 Header PCI Express t...

Buy PCI-E X1 to 2 Ports 19 Pin USB 3.0 Header PCI Express to Dual 20 Pin USB 3.0 Card: USB Port Cards - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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Could get that one and just remove the bracket. If you need extra support still zip ties work lol

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Bonus being that you won't be able to see it underneath your GPU

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Gotta love zip ties

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What do you use to hang these things?

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The velcro that comes with them is a joke.

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:51 AM

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True that, though my power supply came with some decent enough velcro

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:51 AM

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The stuff that came with these is 3M & it's still junk

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I'm using this stuff rn

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But the top controller came loose. I just added another couple squares. Who knows if it'll hold

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Oh nice I didn't realize the mounting part was held with just two screws

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:53 AM

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Not really an issue I've had since my case has screws to mount everything

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:53 AM

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I'll probably just grab that & let it hide behind the gpu

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Even the rgb/fan controllers?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:53 AM

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I don't have one

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:53 AM

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I was thinking of just drilling a hole thru two corners haha

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 7:54 AM

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Just a splitter for my 240mm AIO

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 7:54 AM

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heck that must be nice

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This current build I've gotten just about everything but the really expensive stuff. I still need a Ryzen 9 5900 or 5950 (Id rather the 5950 but it's like almost a grand), RAM & two water blocks

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Those water blocks are so expensive for nothing

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Like the fancy Thermaltake one I'd like to get is $120. A whatever one from ebay is like $15

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a few RGB lights costs $105? come on man

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Maybe I'll just get cheaper RAM & swap the ones that are in my H500P build & use the Trident Z in the new build

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I thought 64GB was a good thing to have but I doubt I've ever used even half of it

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maybe I can just put one 32 in each build haha

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Most people don't have a need for more than 16GB of memory still, 32GB is for future proofing, and 64GB is for developing a massive open world game

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Maybe I'll just get a 4x4gb setup

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or 4x8 jic

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I still haven't gotten an answer to whether 8x4 or 2x8 for 16gb (for example)

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2 sticks cool better but that's about all I've heard

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Technically speaking, 4x sticks is better but only by a few % and it puts additional strain on the memory controller

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:04 AM

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so really there's no "better" just trade offs

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?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:04 AM

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More strain means less overclock potential, and possibly it won't even run the memory at rated speeds

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Yeah pretty much just tradeoffs

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:05 AM

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originally I wanted to get all 128GB but I'm glad I didn't because that would've been ridiculous

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:06 AM

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I'd be surprised if a Ryzen CPU could do 128GB at 3600C16, maybe 3400

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:06 AM

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Wait does that mean there's really no reason to get RAM over 3600?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Yes and no

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:07 AM

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The 64GB I have now is 3800

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w/o OC

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:07 AM

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3800 is good for zen 3, the infinity fabric tends to max out around there

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:08 AM

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This is on the 10900K

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Oh I thought we were still talking 5900X

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:09 AM

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ya sorry I'm bouncing back & forth between my current build and the one I'm working on

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Intel's point of diminishing return is 3200 iirc, higher is still better but has less impact on performance as you go higher

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Maybe I'll just do the swap then. I'll put like 32GB at 3200 in the 10900K & move the 64GB at 3800 to the Ryzen whenever I finally get it

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:13 AM

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That would work. You could tighten timings on the 3200 set and it would perform only slightly lower than the 3800.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:13 AM

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While I'm bothering you with all these questions, my dad has an older computer 4th gen i5 & the system drive is an HDD that's really slow, like 60mb/s read slow. I was gonna put an SSD in it & clone the HDD. You think there will be a noticeable difference?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Or you could split up the 64GB in 32+32

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:14 AM

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one stick in each build?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:14 AM

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modern walrus While I'm bothering you with all these questions, my dad has an older computer 4...

100% night and day difference

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:14 AM

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modern walrus one stick in each build?

Ah only 2 sticks nvm

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:14 AM

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I ran benchmark on it & I'm surprised it didn't start laughing

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ya 2 32s

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My new build has a Sabrent Rocket in it. I can't wait to benchmark that thing

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you think a max temp of 87 in CB R23 is too high?

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this Coolermaster AIO is junk lol

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:19 AM

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It's high but shouldn't throttle too much, thermal limit is 93C I believe

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:19 AM

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btw how'd you learn all this? Your own research, trial & error, or school?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:19 AM

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A combination of the three

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:19 AM

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really? min doesn't throttle until it hits 100

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HWiNFO doesn't even turn red until it's north of 90

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:20 AM

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No wait I think that was the 1x600k I was thinking of, the 1x900k is 100C

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:20 AM

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Sounds like I'm scorching my CPU

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I tried to read Intel's spec sheet but the darn thing is 137 pages

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:21 AM

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Maybe not scorching but there's room for improvement for sure

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Intel ARK is good for specs

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:21 AM

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oh I just downloaded it from intel's website

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:22 AM

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summary is nice
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199332/intel-core-i9-10900k-processor-20m-cache-up-to-5-30-ghz.html

Intel® Core™ i9-10900K Processor (20M Cache, up to 5.30 GHz) Produc...

Intel® Core™ i9-10900K Processor (20M Cache, up to 5.30 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:22 AM

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Tjunction answers the question?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:23 AM

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Yes

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:23 AM

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okay cool so I'd think 88/100 isn't awful

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darn I just hit 92 on Core 4

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Core 4 is always the hottest

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:26 AM

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If you know someone that has the machinery you could lap the die so the temps are more evenly spread

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And lap the CPU block while you're at it too, get that even mounting pressure goodness

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:28 AM

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I'm not sure if I know someone because I don't even know what machinery is involved

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get this: no change to my OC settings but my CB R23 just went from 15589 to 16317

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How on earth does that happen?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:28 AM

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Background processes probably

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:29 AM

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I changed nothing & reset the computer

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strange

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My RAM is still on idiot mode with the RGB rn tho

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darn it

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I'll try making MysticLight overwrite 3d party software on restart & see if that works

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What a mission

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:29 AM

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Sanding the CPU heat spreader works too
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/lap-cpu-processor-69154.html

Small Business - Chron.com

How to Lap a CPU Processor

How to Lap a CPU Processor. Lapping a CPU is a process by which you sand the top of a CPU's case until it is as close to perfectly smooth as possible. The idea is that if you can eliminate microscopic air gaps between the processor and the heatsink that sits on top of it, you can more effectively transfer heat ...

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:30 AM

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hahaha no way that's loose

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what grit sandpaper? lol

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:30 AM

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400

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:30 AM

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I've seen where people remove that back part

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I dunno what for

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:30 AM

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Then 800

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Delidding?

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:31 AM

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max thermal ended up at 92. 88 on every core otherwise except 84 on 8, 81 on 1, & 84 on 0

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:31 AM

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Removing the heat spreader allows your cooler to have direct contact to the IHS

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That's why people delid

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:32 AM

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sounds like you could easily brick the CPU tho

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if that goes wrong

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I'm gonna do 3dmark now let's see how that goes

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:32 AM

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Oh yeah people rip the IHS off the chip all the time

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:33 AM

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ya well Murphy's law & seem to go hand-in-hand so I'm not delidding lol

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law & I rather

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:33 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/9oxpcf/ever_seen_a_delid_rip_off_the_cpu_core/

r/pcmasterrace - Ever seen a delid rip off the CPU core?

144 votes and 36 comments so far on Reddit

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Lapping is still perfectly safe and can improve cooling performance

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It's easy on Intel CPUs since there's no pins on the chip

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:36 AM

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lol "looks like a murder scene from CSI Miami"

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ya but wouldn't I need like some sort of scientific instrument to be sure I was actually sanding it flat?

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I'm not saying it won't work, I'm saying I doubt I can perform it correctly

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:37 AM

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Read the steps, that's what the sharpie is for

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:39 AM

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are you supposed to use a belt sander?

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I have a multi-tool sander but it just oscilates

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Jeez this is ballsy

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Can I say ballsy on here? the robot didn't get mad this time

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:42 AM

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Yeah you're fine

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:42 AM

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here we go... time to watch TimeSpy for the 900th time

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:43 AM

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You can hand sand to lap it even, don't need power tools technically

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:44 AM

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how much improvement do you think you'd get from that process?

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woo GPU fans are definitely hitting 100% rn

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What GPU are you running?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:47 AM

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Results vary widely. Anywhere from 1-4 degrees I've seen.
I've got a 3090

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:47 AM

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Good Lord

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I'd love one but I don't have $1500 laying around lol

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:48 AM

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HAH not a single one is still even close to $1500

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Mine cost $2350 from newegg in the shuffle

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:48 AM

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oh ya the 3080 is kinda close to that

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wow dude I think my entire build is less than that

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What monitor(s) do you run it on?

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I have a 43" Samsung but it's only 60Hz

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I also have a 29" LG but it's only 75Hz

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I kinda put my system together for school cuz of Zoom then transitioned to gaming

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which I still haven't done much of

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Aside from the RE2 remake

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:50 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6yNJ9N

System Builder

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That's my build

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:51 AM

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okay I gotta ask

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what on earth do yo do with that much storage??

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When gaming do you only use the Gigabyte monitor?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:52 AM

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Would you believe me if I told you I need more? My hard drives are full.
I run a plex server and other things in the background, so I've got tons of media.

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I use the Gigabyte monitor for the game and the other one (which was free to me) for discord and browsing while gaming

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:52 AM

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okay noob question #964: what's a plex server

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?

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You're using a similar CPU cooler to me no?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:53 AM

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Plex is a media server that allows streaming almost anything to almost any device

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 8:53 AM

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I guess you don't need to bother to OC Ryzen 5xxx?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 8:54 AM

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Oh I overclocked it for sure, but it taps out around 4.7GHz on all core load mostly due to the VRM on my motherboard overheating

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I'm also running the memory at 3800C16, if I boost the voltage more I can probably get C15 or 14

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I'm a performance nut, I like to eek out every drop of performance that I can, even if that comes at a disproportional power/heat cost

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I even slapped a heatsink on the backplate of the GPU with an old 80mm CPU fan

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If you've never heard an 80mm fan run at 5000 rpm, count yourself lucky

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 9:00 AM

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sudden torrent If you've never heard an 80mm fan run at 5000 rpm, count yourself lucky

Make sure it doesn't take off XD

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:00 AM

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Right? My car doesn't even usually hit 5000 rpm

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Maybe if I floor it getting on the highway

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:02 AM

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5k RPM? lol wth

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I'm trying to do the same system builder but my XPG S40G apparently isn't even an option

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wait jk

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Yeah not every model for parts is listed on pcpp

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:04 AM

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it's under ADATA

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Ah yep, XPG is the product line

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:05 AM

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I spoke too soon. Still can't find it

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lol jk there it is

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I can't find my monitor

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cuz I guess technically it's not even really a monitor

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r9j8Bc

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hmm that's the wrong RAM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WcC2Cz okay ya that's the setup

System Builder

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I wanted to build a Coolermaster Cosmos but they're stupid expensive

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:21 AM

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Not bad at all

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:21 AM

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ya the whole thing is like a tick above your 3090 lol

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price wise I mean

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Do you ever max out that video card?

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Can you even? I guess like multi-screen 4k maybe

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:23 AM

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Not yet I haven't, but I got close doing project cars 2 on max settings 1440p

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at 200 fps lol

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:23 AM

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https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/digital-signage/detail/1424/QB43R

Samsung Display Solutions

43” 4K UHD Signage (QBR Series) | Smart Sigange | Samsung Display S...

Discover Samsung 43” QBR Series 4K UHD Signage; Display any content in ultra-high definition with incredibly rich color on slim, efficient signage.

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That's my monitor

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It's not really a monitor

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& it's not really a television

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It's basically like a screen for departure times at airports or something

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supposedly commercial displays last a really long time. They're designed for 24/7 operation

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:24 AM

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Or like you'd see in fast food places for the menus

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:24 AM

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lol ya exactly

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if you wanted to go crazy they're also designed to be daisychained

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you can also have multiple ones make a single picture

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I just pretend it's a monitor

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I like it tho. It's 4K HDR.

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in a perfect world it would be at least 120Hz but what can I do

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:26 AM

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4k60 is still hard enough to run

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:26 AM

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I'm pretty sure 4K is usually around 60FPS anyway

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Ya my 3060 can't even go full settings on 2019 Resident Evil 2 because I play it on 4K

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200 fps is insane wow

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UserBenchmark must have you as like DeathStar

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:48 AM

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You know it's been a long time since I've used them since their data is mostly garbage and skewed badly, but let me check

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:48 AM

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haha ok

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I dunno why but my HDD always performs terribly on there

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:53 AM

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https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/43279485

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:56 AM

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wooow

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:57 AM

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Hard drives always perform badly on there, there's not much reason to have them these days

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 9:58 AM

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223/108/239 vs my 120/107/129

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I'm close to your desktop score but otherwise like half

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 9:59 AM

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Desktop is more influenced by SSD speed than anything else, multi core processor test second

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:00 AM

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it says on yours that the RTX3090 is $1500 lol

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Yeah that's msrp, there's nothing in stock for it to check current prices. Plus it's an odd model that isn't detected well.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:02 AM

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your 2012 HDD is outperforming the one I bought in like February

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I don't get the model name. Extreme Waterforce? hmm

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:04 AM

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https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/43279728 glad to see "desktop" so low LeoKek

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:05 AM

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The results on these Memory Kits makes me think I should've put money into speed instead of volume

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:06 AM

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modern walrus I don't get the model name. Extreme Waterforce? hmm

The Aorus Extreme was always one of their top models (but this one kinda sucks) and the waterforce denotes it's got an AIO attached

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:06 AM

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ohh. did it come with an AIO?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:06 AM

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modern walrus The results on these Memory Kits makes me think I should've put money into speed...

Quality over quantity

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Yeah it came with a 240mm AIO attached

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:06 AM

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ehhhhh dr makes up for a good amount of "quality"

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:07 AM

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You all may have beaten me by every metric but I bet you don't have a Pikachu light lol

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:07 AM

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No I think you got me there, I've only got my series 1 card collection lol

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:08 AM

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ya I made the mistake of giving away all my cards in like 2003

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:08 AM

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TBF only a few of them are actually worth any money

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:09 AM

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I had some Charizards & some rare Japanese Alakazam that I couldn't read

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oh well

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:09 AM

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I have my Mew card they gave away with the first movie tickets still

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:09 AM

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you know I think I might actually have had that one too. I saw the movie the day it came out

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:10 AM

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I have a glowing tube xD

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:10 AM

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When Ash gets hit by Mew & Mewtwo & Pikachu thinks he's dead, very moving

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oh niice

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I wanna get the RGB thing to go in the reservoir like that

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:10 AM

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Yeah they picked a really good song for that scene too

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:11 AM

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I watched the movie again with my three-year-old a couple weeks ago

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It's like I'm not crying lol

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:11 AM

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Its just a uv cathode and uv reactive fluid

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:11 AM

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Is that reservoir supposed to be the G-Virus? the one I got is

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it looks nice

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:12 AM

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Its a bykski something

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:12 AM

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That's similar to how I'm attempting to build mine

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:12 AM

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I think paul's hw had 2 of them in a 1000D?

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:12 AM

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but out of utter brilliance I decided to attempt rigid tubing

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I figured if I can bend electrical conduit I can bend rigid hard tubing

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It's not as easy tbh

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:13 AM

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The break point comes a lot faster than conduit

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:13 AM

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sudden torrent https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/43279485

Wow 223% that makes sense yes

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:14 AM

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If you try to heat close to another bend, the heat will travel & start letting the other bend out

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I got the little molding things but I don't really like them because they're too long

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Trying to bend w/o a silicone insert is impossible

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:14 AM

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zenith palm Wow 223% that makes sense yes

I swear they stopped trying to make relevant numbers

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:15 AM

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ya when are they going to move the precentages to something reasonable?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Never NYEHE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSBj2LKkWg

YouTube

2kliksphilip

Userbenchmark - the April Fools that never ends

For this Fool is never early, nor is it late. He arrives precisely when he doesn't mean to.

Impact Prelude Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

0:00 - Intro
1:13 - Pre-Ryzen
1:26 - Ryzen 1000
3:07 - Ryzen 2000
3:49 - Changed benchmarks
5:20 - Ry...

▶ Play video

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:16 AM

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What does a 3dmark score look like with a 3090? Like 25k?

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:16 AM

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modern walrus ya when are they going to move the precentages to something reasonable?

100% is a i5 something and 1070

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:16 AM

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sudden torrent I swear they stopped trying to make relevant numbers

Swear they get their numbers the same way monitors are named

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https://tenor.com/view/kritikal-keyboard-face-gif-18788848

Tenor

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:17 AM

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On an unrelated note, I've been meaning to watch that video about how people waste money buying power supplies they don't need

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after putting all my parts into parts picker, I couldn't gotten away with like a 600w

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:17 AM

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NonO

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:18 AM

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With a 3060, yep you could

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:18 AM

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You always want psu head room

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:18 AM

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sudden torrent With a 3060, yep you could

Ohh yeah nvm

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:18 AM

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I got an 850w for my next build & I bet it'll be way more than necessary

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:18 AM

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Better to have some headroom and a quality psu tho, stops you from having to buy a new one next time you upgrade

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:18 AM

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I mean, what psu do you think you need for a 5800x and 6900xt? ||I've tripped ocp on a 1000w||

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:18 AM

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Damm really?

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Yeah

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Oof

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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New gpus have stupid transients

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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More noob questions: why does that message have that black thing?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Was probs a decent psu too smh

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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like what you said was redacted?

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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Spoiler

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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sudden torrent

No oc I'm guessing?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:19 AM

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modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:20 AM

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wow I get excited when I break 10k

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:20 AM

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tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:20 AM

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3090 should be 20k+ tbh

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:20 AM

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Yeah I know this is a crappy model

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390W max power limit

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 10:21 AM

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That's whack tho, my 3070 overclocked gets 15.1k

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:21 AM

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modern walrus More noob questions: why does that message have that black thing?

It's a spoiler

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:23 AM

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Spoiler? Like when someone tells you what's going to happen in a movie you haven't watched yet or those things that create downforce at high speeds for better traction in your car? or it makes milk go bad?

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what the heck is a spoiler?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:23 AM

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More the first one. In his case he didn't want to spoil the answer to the question he asked.

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:24 AM

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oh right

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:24 AM

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When you're typing, highlight a word or sentence and hit the eye icon to mark it as a spoiler

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||Like this||

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:24 AM

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oh nice

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and when I click it reveals

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it

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:24 AM

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"" for quotes

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:24 AM

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I'll be a discord pro in no time

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"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

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Didn't work?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:25 AM

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<>for.code

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Highlight the text and hit the quotes button

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While you're typing

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:26 AM

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"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right."

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...?

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lol

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xrandr --addmode HDMI-2 2560x1080_75.00

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Why xrandr doesn't support ultra wide resolution natively I don't understand

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:28 AM

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|twice, before and after does spoiler.

space does quote.
~twice before and after does a slash through

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:28 AM

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"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:28 AM

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~~lies~~

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:29 AM

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oh wait is this so I can respond directly to what other people said

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not so I can put random famous quotes?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Use it however you think works

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Reply used to do that, now its the cancerous ping hell

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:29 AM

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What's this ping thing I keep hearing about?

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:30 AM

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tall pelican Reply used to do that, now its the cancerous ping hell

I try to remember to turn the ping off

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:30 AM

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modern walrus What's this ping thing I keep hearing about?

This

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I went in the nVidia Discord thing & people were talking about it

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:30 AM

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modern walrus What's this ping thing I keep hearing about?

Vs this

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:30 AM

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oh the orange background?

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:31 AM

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If you're in a different channel, you get a ping

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:31 AM

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What does Dopp mean?

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Hypa Hypa

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:31 AM

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oh like an audible alert that someone has replied to you?

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Yeah

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:31 AM

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okay okay

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and what's hypa hypa?

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(learning so much rn)

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:32 AM

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Music

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:32 AM

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oh ya I'm kinda out of touch with modern music

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:32 AM

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There's a half dozen covers of it now

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:33 AM

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I'm 33 & a dad so I'm allowed to not be cool anymore

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Uhhhh dont watch the video with kids around, and be prepared to explain it to the wife leokek

sudden torrent May 24, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Yes dad jokes are now required, so we can make everyone's eyes roll

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Anyway I gotta head to bed, g'night guys

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:38 AM

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night

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you got it

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how come my picture didn't work

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I still have the little discord mask thing

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:41 AM

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Prob didn't click save

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:41 AM

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I guess I have to graduate above Regular+ status?

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it's showing on my phone

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oh well

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oh wait there it is

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haha

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 10:44 AM

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Control+r will refresh discord

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 10:44 AM

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nice thank you

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how much variation is there in thermal paste? is one significantly better than another?

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I guess these are things I could ask Google

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 11:14 AM

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modern walrus how much variation is there in thermal paste? is one significantly better than a...

Not much, liquid metal is better but expensive and doesn't work on copper iirc

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Something like arctic mx4 will do most people

tall pelican May 24, 2021, 11:16 AM

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It works on copper, just stains it and needs reapplication after a few months

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Ahh yeah works was the wrong work but meant it's not a good idea longevity wise

spark hemlock May 24, 2021, 11:55 AM

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overclocked the sh*t out of my i5 2500k (from 3.3ghz to 4.2ghz) lmao

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 12:01 PM

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I just used the coolermaster stuff that came with the AIO

zenith palm May 24, 2021, 12:01 PM

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Yeah the included paste is the best because it's free X)

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Fine with me if there's no significant difference between the one it comes with & some other one

clever epoch May 24, 2021, 3:45 PM

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modern walrus originally I wanted to get all 128GB but I'm glad I didn't because that would've...

128GB DDR4 on consumer is not only very hard to run, but liable to cause memory errors, even at XMP

modern walrus May 24, 2021, 3:51 PM

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I'm glad I didn't blow money on that

sterile flame May 24, 2021, 6:34 PM

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I'm gonna back on subzero soon

proven canopy May 24, 2021, 7:39 PM

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spark hemlock overclocked the sh*t out of my i5 2500k (from 3.3ghz to 4.2ghz) lmao

You can probably hit a safe daily 4.5 or 5.0 on air for benches

faint tangle May 25, 2021, 6:59 AM

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opinions on amd ryzen master software overclocking?

lavish tundra May 25, 2021, 7:11 AM

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faint tangle opinions on amd ryzen master software overclocking?

dont

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its ok not great

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what cpu u got?

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@faint tangle

left bladeBOT May 25, 2021, 7:27 AM

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TheTrueBacca#2995 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

faint tangle May 25, 2021, 7:27 AM

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God- can't say that either

faint tangle May 25, 2021, 7:27 AM

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lavish tundra <@!654444344274845698>

3600

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Ik I can do bios but I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to dealing with bios

lavish tundra May 25, 2021, 7:36 AM

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then just turn on PBO in the bios

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max out all limits except voltage

faint tangle May 25, 2021, 7:38 AM

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alr

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not ocing just yet but i might be upgrading gpu a bit, and i dont think a 3600 would be great with a 3070 at 1080p gaming

lavish tundra May 25, 2021, 7:39 AM

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faint tangle not ocing just yet but i might be upgrading gpu a bit, and i dont think a 3600 w...

not at all...

faint tangle May 25, 2021, 7:39 AM

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really?

lavish tundra May 25, 2021, 7:39 AM

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bottlenecks are over hyped

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you can run a 3090 with a 3600 without any noticeable bottlenecks

faint tangle May 25, 2021, 7:39 AM

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jesus

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wow youre right, idk what i was looking at earlier

lavish tundra May 25, 2021, 7:40 AM

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Bottlenecks arent as bad as people say they are

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dont look at userbenchmark.

faint tangle May 25, 2021, 7:40 AM

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i wasnt

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dw im past that stage of new

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lmao

spark hemlock May 25, 2021, 8:20 AM

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proven canopy You can probably hit a safe daily 4.5 or 5.0 on air for benches

ikr?

celest moss May 25, 2021, 11:06 PM

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any1 have an 8700k & MSI MAG z270 ace\

tall pelican May 25, 2021, 11:08 PM

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coffee modded your z270?

celest moss May 26, 2021, 1:07 AM

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my bad... z370*

proven canopy May 26, 2021, 1:11 AM

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damn, got me all excited

weary estuary May 26, 2021, 3:55 AM

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been running for 5 days straight, beautiful oc

sudden torrent May 26, 2021, 4:11 AM

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+1500? and no hash rate loss?

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 6:52 AM

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weary estuary been running for 5 days straight, beautiful oc

How's your rejecteds doing

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That's running way too hot tho 70c is core your mem is gonna be on fire

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Up your fans

lavish tundra May 26, 2021, 9:20 AM

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I wouldnt push mem that far daily on a 2080ti

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already has enough memory issues

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 10:37 AM

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lavish tundra already has enough memory issues

Especially at 30% fan Cringe 🔥🔥

lavish tundra May 26, 2021, 10:37 AM

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zenith palm Especially at 30% fan <:Cringe:598228562222514196> 🔥🔥

Yep

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No wait pato chill

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Its fine

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Its 37%

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Not 30

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 10:38 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-tableflip-angry-gif-4849879

Tenor

lavish tundra May 26, 2021, 10:38 AM

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7% big cooling bump

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Lmao

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 10:38 AM

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Ohh 37 okay okay

lavish tundra May 26, 2021, 10:39 AM

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zenith palm Ohh 37 okay okay

Yep

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Thats like equal to LN2

tall pelican May 26, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Its also just gddr6, not 6x, so it doesn't produce nearly as much heat

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 11:02 AM

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tall pelican Its also just gddr6, not 6x, so it doesn't produce nearly as much heat

Yeah but the core is like 70c the mems gonna be a good bit hotter not much heat is being moved clearly

tall pelican May 26, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Depending on the power draw, its most likely perfectly fine

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 11:04 AM

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70%

tall pelican May 26, 2021, 11:04 AM

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200w at 70c, the cooler isnt being saturated

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70% of what

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 11:05 AM

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That's what the afterburner sc says but tdp of a 2080 ti is like 250w

tall pelican May 26, 2021, 11:06 AM

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So 70% of 250w is what? 😏

lavish tundra May 26, 2021, 11:08 AM

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tall pelican So 70% of 250w is what? 😏

175

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W

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 11:10 AM

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175w would be fine but you shouldn't be getting temps that high

tall pelican May 26, 2021, 11:10 AM

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tall pelican 200w at 70c, the cooler isnt being saturated

.

sterile flame May 26, 2021, 2:51 PM

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what

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its gddr6, shouldn't be getting that hot at all and mem oc is gonna have a 5c diff max depending on model

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 2:53 PM

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sterile flame its gddr6, shouldn't be getting that hot at all and mem oc is gonna have a 5c di...

It's cuz their fans are at 30% tho

sterile flame May 26, 2021, 2:53 PM

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and?

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if that card as vram pads its fine lol

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Fair

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Too hot for my liking

sterile flame May 26, 2021, 2:54 PM

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may get a little hot if it doesn't, but it'll throttle adequately

robust aurora May 26, 2021, 3:31 PM

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No point to leave fans that low

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If you want it to be quiet do like 50%

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I dont even hear mine at 70%

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Yeah i sleep with mine at 70% hardly hear it in an airflow case

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 7:49 PM

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If the overclock is averaging 86 degrees (10900K) on Cinebench R23 at 1.3v... that's too high huh?

sudden torrent May 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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It's warm but within tolerance

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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max temp 95 on 4/10 cores

sudden torrent May 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Ah 95 is throttling

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Mine doesn't throttle until 100 I think

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That's what HWiNFO shows at elast

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least

sudden torrent May 26, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Oh right it's the K

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Still, maybe get a beefier cooler

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 7:54 PM

#

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Ya I think I'm gonna order that arctic liquid freezer 2

sudden torrent May 26, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Good move, that'll help with the VRM a little too

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 7:55 PM

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I just watched the GamerNexus review of the EK Elite

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& I'm gonna go w/ the arctic to save $75

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I can live without the RGB. There's enough of that going on in my case already

sudden torrent May 26, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Yeah arctic is still the best imo

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 7:56 PM

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ya the interesting part was how the push/pull doesn't do anything at 100% on the EK

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oh look there is an RGB version for an extra $20

sudden torrent May 26, 2021, 7:58 PM

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EK use their Vardar fans which are really overkill. Their advice was sound, use the extra fans on the case lol

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 7:58 PM

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ya that's exactly what they said

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I already have fans laying around I don't need

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I'm gonna wait & order it a little later tho to see if that "get it tomorrow" thing shows up

clever epoch May 26, 2021, 8:52 PM

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you can get Arctic P12 with RGB now, so if you can fit a 360mm rad, you can get Arctic RGB fans

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 9:10 PM

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oof

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1 hour & 35 minutes OCCT w/ AVX hitting 97

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but average 66 so I dunno

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Is P12 better than Freezer II?

robust aurora May 26, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Its the same fans

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But if you want the rgb version they are a bit worst but rgb-_-

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 9:26 PM

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I can live without rgb

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I'll sacrifice that to get a stable 51 ratio

clever epoch May 26, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Arctic P12 is the fan that comes on the Liquid Freezer 2

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I'm saying that you can get RGB with the Liquid freezer 2 if you buy Arctic's P12 RGB fans

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(but it has to be 240mm or 360mm)

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 9:51 PM

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ah I got u

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I was a little confused tbh

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but I usually am on Discord

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is the EK AIO Basic better than Arctic Freezer II?

dull ginkgo May 26, 2021, 10:13 PM

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No

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Freezer ii is better

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 10:13 PM

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ek is closest tho

dull ginkgo May 26, 2021, 10:13 PM

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@zenith palm not ek aio basic

modern walrus May 26, 2021, 10:13 PM

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got it got it

dull ginkgo May 26, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Basic is wacky

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 10:14 PM

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really?

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different fans?

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dumb

dull ginkgo May 26, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Ek-aio drgb yes, very close

Ek aio basic don't have enough testing on, but igor's lab testing seems to point it towards just mediocre

worn seal May 26, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Hey so I've been away for a while and have only gotten back to messing with the mess of a patriot ram kit I got, to the best of my understanding increasing soc voltage to help the memory controller won't do anything if it's just bad bin ram right?

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 11:53 PM

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dull ginkgo Ek-aio drgb yes, very close Ek aio basic don't have enough testing on, but igor...

Thats wack i thought they were basically the same :/

dull ginkgo May 26, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Only decent testing I saw was igor's lab, and yea

zenith palm May 26, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Wack

tall pelican May 27, 2021, 1:06 AM

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not bad for a tec + fuma2 and one fan

proven canopy May 27, 2021, 2:02 AM

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Is the clock not reporting correctly?

tall pelican May 27, 2021, 2:18 AM

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who knows, was just a stock test

proven canopy May 27, 2021, 2:19 AM

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oh lol, didn't think to look at the temp

tall pelican May 27, 2021, 2:19 AM

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its still 75F out, and doing 15c atm seems like a win

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later tonight it should get colder

tall pelican May 27, 2021, 4:02 AM

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https://valid.x86.fr/85z170 meh 2500k is 🥔

Intel Core i5 2500K @ 5000.62 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[85z170] Validated Dump by fitvelkiz (2021-05-27 06:01:24) - MB: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H - RAM: 8192 MB

proven canopy May 27, 2021, 4:04 AM

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Damn, that was best max valid all core?

tall pelican May 27, 2021, 4:05 AM

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yeah

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granted just 1.5v

tall pelican May 27, 2021, 7:23 AM

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One of the cores is def a dud since 2c valid is 5.3

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Any manual pbo recommendations/where to start for Ryzen 5 3600?

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Start with maxing out your power limits and see how high it goes

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 12:01 PM

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sudden torrent Start with maxing out your power limits and see how high it goes

Should i check what power my cpu spikes at atm and then increase from there or? Should i just start at the useless tdp lol

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Whatever the max is for each of your power settings. My board limit is 1000 PPT (no limit essentially), 114 TDC, and 180 EDC.

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It won't hurt your motherboard, only voltage will do that. The board can protect itself if something goes wrong with the current or temps.

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 12:09 PM

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Okay, will it just not post if it doesn't like the settings, or will it stop me from entering it in, also will that do anything different than using the motherboard setting in pbo or are they more conservative?

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 12:09 PM

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The only thing that will change are behaviors under heavy load

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The CPU won't max out the power draw just because it can now, this is just to give it more breathing room so it can boost higher for longer without being starved for power.

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 12:13 PM

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sudden torrent The CPU won't max out the power draw just because it can now, this is just to gi...

Okay thanks, so should 3d mark do stress test wise to see if it helps or would cinebench or occt or something be a better suit

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Time Spy will give you an idea of what the power load when gaming is, OCCT will max it out to see how hot it gets.

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Alternatively Prime95 small fft to max out power/heat

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Make sure you're running a monitoring tool in the background like hwinfo so you can see what the peak is for everything

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 12:17 PM

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Okay I'll try that then

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If i go to far with some of the numbers will it just perform worse or?

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Kinda throttle like?

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 12:18 PM

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Worst case it overheats and throttles

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Ahh okay

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 12:46 PM

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So @sudden torrent do you think i should start at something like that

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Max it out. The CPU will only use what it needs, and the board knows its limits.

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Leave boost clock override at 0 for now, you'll adjust that last, and increasing incrementally, testing stability

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Leave Scalar on auto

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Ohh okay

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Will do try that then

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 1:10 PM

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@sudden torrent i did 500 100 150 it only used max of 97, 56 and 77, is there a point going higher or should i just work ok the scaler now

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Should be fine if it's only using that much. I forgot you're using a lower power chip than me lol.

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Run a cinebench test and compare to baseline, you should see an improvement already.

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Then you can do +200 offset and test again. If it's unstable at that point, you can go lower.

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Okay, well i ran with 0 boost clock overdrive and it performed the same as before with the motherboard limits on timespy but I'll run again with the offset this time and see how it goes

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Or should I switch to cinebench instead?

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 1:20 PM

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Time Spy CPU score works

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Once you've got those results you can play with the scalar. This is the one you don't want to just max out, since it increases voltage. You'll need to watch your load voltage and temps.

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Okay will do

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Should i start around +100 then?

sudden torrent May 27, 2021, 1:27 PM

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See if it's stable at +200 offset, worst case it just doesn't boost as high, which will be noticeable in scores. Honestly this is one of those things you just need to play around with to get your optimal settings anyway.

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 1:34 PM

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Okay thanks

clever epoch May 27, 2021, 6:26 PM

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setting TDC/EDC too high can actually degrade performance. For a 3600 I would start at 60 TDC/EDC, increase by 5 (or 10) A at a time, and bench to see if performance degrades

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if performance degrades, go back, and then start increasing only EDC

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looks like you already topped out at 56 TDC. I guess 55-60 TDC would be fine, then start at 60 EDC and increase by 5

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 6:47 PM

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clever epoch looks like you already topped out at 56 TDC. I guess 55-60 TDC would be fine, th...

Should i just use slightly over the amps for the maximum i got in my test or what do you think?

clever epoch May 27, 2021, 6:51 PM

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zenith palm Should i just use slightly over the amps for the maximum i got in my test or wha...

I would go slightly conservative on amps, especially for TDC

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the manufacturing process node that Zen 2 and Zen 3 chips are made on (N7) is pretty tough against temperature and voltage, but weak to current

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I don't think you'll degrade your chip with PBO, but the boosting behavior considers the fact that the chip is most likely weak to current, so you might end up with reduced performance

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I doubt you'll actually see a different though, that close to the limit

pine gust May 27, 2021, 8:30 PM

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random af but im using ryzen master profile 1 PBO - for my 3600 its maxing at 4.16ghz @ 64C. is my ram holding me back? its trash at the moment - gskill 2x 4GB 2132 and corsair 2x 8GB 2132 - memory set to Coupled OFF - 1500 and 1333 fabric clock....

quick rose May 27, 2021, 8:31 PM

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2133 ram? Decoupled IF is always a performance hit

pine gust May 27, 2021, 8:31 PM

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the ram is ddr4 2132

quick rose May 27, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Defo holding you back

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NOt necessarily from the overclock

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But for everything else

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Benchmarks, games, etc

pine gust May 27, 2021, 8:35 PM

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dont ask why but right now its these two kits: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-8gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231882

and

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236419

pine gust May 27, 2021, 8:35 PM

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quick rose NOt necessarily from the overclock

hmmm so the board is holding me back right

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on my strix E gaming the auto OC went to like 4.45ghz and now in the F gaming II its barely pushing 4.1ghz

zenith palm May 27, 2021, 9:06 PM

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clever epoch I doubt you'll actually see a different though, that close to the limit

Thanks for the advice

lavish tundra May 28, 2021, 6:09 AM

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pine gust hmmm so the board is holding me back right

No the CPU is

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4.16 is decent all core for a 3600

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if indeed you are getting that all core

lavish tundra May 28, 2021, 6:10 AM

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pine gust dont ask why but right now its these two kits: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-8g...

at the same time in ur pc?

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remove the Gskill stick

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and run only corsair

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slot 2 and 4

stable fox May 28, 2021, 6:27 AM

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how do i overclock my gpu

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i did it on afterburner and it went away

zenith palm May 28, 2021, 8:28 AM

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stable fox i did it on afterburner and it went away

You need to hit the tick, then save it to a profile and hit the windows button if you want it applied on boot

stable fox May 28, 2021, 4:51 PM

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but the windows button is greyed out

zenith palm May 28, 2021, 5:05 PM

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stable fox but the windows button is greyed out

Go into the settings then and make sure open on windows boot or something is ticked

clever epoch May 28, 2021, 7:56 PM

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You have to save a preset first

finite frigate May 29, 2021, 9:42 AM

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Awesome

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Puts me at 17th in the world for 570 single card runs

lavish tundra May 29, 2021, 10:10 AM

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Im 8th for my hardware

pine gust May 29, 2021, 3:49 PM

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lavish tundra remove the Gskill stick

smart. i should try that. but really i need to upgrade to the ballistix 32gb 2x 16gb 3600 kit.

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Good choice

pine gust May 29, 2021, 4:54 PM

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@lavish tundra @clever epoch - im wicked confused lol - Ryzen Master is showing the auto PBO is cranking my 3600 to 1.38 and 1.4.... and asus AI whatever is showing core voltage at 1.4+ like constantly closer to 1.45... isnt that way, way too high for 24/7 use?

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:02 PM

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I feel like there should be a pin by now that explains this lol.

lavish tundra May 29, 2021, 5:03 PM

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pine gust <@!499525349109923844> <@!111605868138655744> - im wicked confused lol - Ryzen ...

Its while almost no programs are open yeah?

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:07 PM

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while running software.

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davinci resolve, unreal engine

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Ryzen Zen 2 and 3 chips will, by default, adjust the voltages automatically based on the workload.

Voltages up to 1.5V are common and to be expected, because "high" voltage (up to ~1.6V) on its own won't cause degradation. It's usually a combination of voltage and power (current) that causes degradation.

Keep in mind that the most common form of degradation (electromigration) is a combination of: Temperature, Voltage, Current, and Time.

The effects of the different combinations vary from manufacturing node to node (this is why Intel chips get away with a bit higher voltages and a lot of current), and even from processor to processor due to manufacturing variance.

So the default boost algorithm knows (roughly) what it's dealing with, and will adjust the voltage dynamically with the knowledge that high voltage at low load (current) is perfectly safe, and as soon as you start drawing any real amount of power, it will drop the voltage accordingly.

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:08 PM

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legit.

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that makes sense

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:08 PM

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In the case of Zen 2 and Zen 3, the process node (TSMC N7) is pretty resilient to voltage and temperature, but weak to current

left bladeBOT May 29, 2021, 5:08 PM

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BRAVOSNIPER1347#1748 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:08 PM

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damnit

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i meant whoops

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so i will ignore the SILLY asus vcore warning

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:09 PM

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NOTE: Setting the voltage too high will automatically degrade/destroy the processor, regardless of current. That's going to be in the territory of 1.6V+

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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for sure

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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What warning are you referring to?

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:10 PM

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honestly, its for work. im not chasing any overclock scores or something

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well, ASUS AI software warns me that the vcore is high

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ASUS AI "DUAL INTELLIGENT PROCESSORS 5"

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:11 PM

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If you're on stock settings then you should be fine. Be careful about messing with LLC though

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:12 PM

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yeah im just using Ryzen Master and PBO to do all the stuff automatically

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and clocked my ram higher

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Afaik Asus doesn't do "negative droop" LLC anymore but even the zero droop stuff is questionable

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I recommend using BIOS instead, at least for final tuning

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:12 PM

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final tuning for PBO?

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i thought ryzen master has full access to all bios CPU and RAM control

clever epoch May 29, 2021, 5:22 PM

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RM can do some funky things sometimes. Also your settings won't automatically apply without doing them in BIOS

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And if you're on Zen3, I don't think RM allows you to use the curve optimizer

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:23 PM

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is the curve optimizer only able to be set in bios?

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il google it lol sorry

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/khtx1o/guide_zen_3_overclocking_using_curve_optimizer/ seems pretty awesome but i dont think my use case is good for this. i need solid reliability.

r/Amd - Guide: Zen 3 Overclocking using Curve Optimizer (PBO 2.0)

750 votes and 428 comments so far on Reddit

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:27 PM

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pine gust is the curve optimizer only able to be set in bios?

It's only for 5000 series CPU's

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Not 3600

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:27 PM

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oh. thank you

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Your CPu is Zen 2

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:28 PM

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yes. 3600 and a 3700

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thanks @quick rose

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:28 PM

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YW

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PBO still works tho

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Just not PBO 2.0 with the fancy curve optimizer, etc

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:28 PM

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yeah im just going to use ryzen master PBO. and dial RAM in bios

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i see. ill explore that when i upgrade later. cheers.

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:29 PM

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IMO, BIOS better than Ryzen Master. Some settings changes require a reboot anyway so may as well just dabble in the BIOS.

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:30 PM

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really. hmm. I did liquid cool this 3600 so i might as well get the most, safely, out of it

finite frigate May 29, 2021, 5:31 PM

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https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20575984

3DMark.com

I scored 4 521 in Time Spy

Intel Xeon Processor E3-1230V2, AMD Radeon RX 570 x 1, 16384 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

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Yet

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:34 PM

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PBO does a little but but unlocking EDC, PPT, TDC, raising SOC voltage and a couple other things really makes a difference as well.

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:35 PM

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quick rose PBO does a little but but unlocking EDC, PPT, TDC, raising SOC voltage and a cou...

hmmmm and ryzen master doesnt tweak those....

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even in manual mode....

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:35 PM

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Ya

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Gotta unlock them in the BIOS

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:36 PM

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okay

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should i just uninstall the asus AI stuff and go old school in bios? thats what i always used to do

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Asus AI suite is good for fan control and that's about it

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Ryzen Master is good for seeing CPU specs

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:37 PM

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lolol

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:37 PM

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BIOS is good for changing settings

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XD

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:37 PM

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thanks

quick rose May 29, 2021, 5:37 PM

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YW

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GL and have fun!

pine gust May 29, 2021, 5:38 PM

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ty!

finite frigate May 30, 2021, 4:21 AM

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https://www.3dmark.com/spy/20575984

3DMark.com

I scored 4 521 in Time Spy

Intel Xeon Processor E3-1230V2, AMD Radeon RX 570 x 1, 16384 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

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best run i could get on gpu score

proven canopy May 30, 2021, 5:51 AM

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Nice, #1 config?

prisma arch May 30, 2021, 6:57 AM

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HELP

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its on 5.17 ghz

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and im not using liquid nitrogen

lavish tundra May 30, 2021, 7:45 AM

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okay?

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thats good

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only 1 core boosting tho mostly

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http://www.3dmark.com/spy/20576300

3DMark.com

I scored 4 929 in Time Spy

AMD Ryzen 5 3600X, AMD Radeon RX 570 x 1, 16384 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

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My best

tall pelican May 30, 2021, 8:22 AM

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that's just task manager being task manager

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(base clock being 4.2 is wrong too)

modern walrus May 30, 2021, 12:48 PM

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I swapped out my Coolermaster ML350P to a Arctic Freezer II. Thermals on 3DMark, Cinebench R23, & UserBenchMark, dropped 7, 4, & 5 degrees respectively. I still can't get a 51 Core ratio w/o hitting TJMAX or getting L0 Cache errors tho. The best I've done is get my ring ratio up to 49 with a CPU ratio of 50, but at 49 it tops out at 96 degrees on R23.

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So I'm thinking I'll leave it at 48 ring & 50 CPU ratio with 0 AVX offset & pretty decent thermals

lavish tundra May 30, 2021, 1:31 PM

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modern walrus I swapped out my Coolermaster ML350P to a Arctic Freezer II. Thermals on 3DMark,...

userbenchmark ewwww

modern walrus May 30, 2021, 1:31 PM

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ya I know I just wanted a quick test lol

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sucks I can't get a 51 ratio tho

lavish tundra May 30, 2021, 1:33 PM

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also the thing is, what cpu ur overclocking is slightly more important than the cooler ur using lmao

modern walrus May 30, 2021, 1:33 PM

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10900K

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some people get up to 53 ratio. I get to settle on 50

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oh well

finite frigate May 31, 2021, 6:36 AM

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proven canopy Nice, #1 config?

ye by a long shot

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beats my previous score (which was still the best just not by much) by like 100 points overall

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all it took was a fresh install of windows and some tactical service killing

rough cairn May 31, 2021, 9:52 AM

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prisma arch HELP

nice! is this all core oc or pbo?

lavish tundra May 31, 2021, 10:11 AM

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rough cairn nice! is this all core oc or pbo?

none

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its task manager being bad

sterile flame May 31, 2021, 3:36 PM

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finite frigate all it took was a fresh install of windows and some tactical service killing

you're like 200 points off of 5500xt

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lmaoo

finite frigate May 31, 2021, 5:57 PM

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welll yeah

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5500xt is a 1660s

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well above 1660 below 1660s

prisma arch Jun 1, 2021, 12:05 AM

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rough cairn nice! is this all core oc or pbo?

all core

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:04 AM

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What good cheap motherboard can do overclocking for a i5 11400?

quick rose Jun 1, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Z series

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Only with Intel

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:05 AM

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Z series motherboards?

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How are you guys this smart?

quick rose Jun 1, 2021, 2:06 AM

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Z490/590

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:06 AM

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Okie dokie. Thank you!

quick rose Jun 1, 2021, 2:06 AM

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B series can't overclock CPU's on Intel

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Cuz Intel poopy

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and the Z series aren't cheap :/

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:06 AM

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https://www-newegg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newegg.com/amp/p/N82E16813157977?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16225131901022&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2Fp%2FN82E16813157977

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Not this?

tall pelican Jun 1, 2021, 2:07 AM

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that'll only let you do memory overclocking

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Even though it says it can?

quick rose Jun 1, 2021, 2:07 AM

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It can't overclock Intel CPU's

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ONly memory

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:07 AM

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What is memory overclocking?

quick rose Jun 1, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Running 3200 ram at 3600

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etc

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Won't that break the ram?

tall pelican Jun 1, 2021, 2:07 AM

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more of running memory faster than intel approved

quick rose Jun 1, 2021, 2:08 AM

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no, it won't break the ram

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The ram may not tolerate it though, not all ram will

obtuse adder Jun 1, 2021, 2:09 AM

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Um. Buddy. The Z series uses pins.