overclocking

[quick rose]

Like, download software or do it in the BIOS

[olive quiver]

Oh okay. And is there crazy benefits for it really or no?

[ancient pumice]

not huge benefits, but it's nice to have a big number ngl

[olive quiver]

Ah okay. So should I just get a pc that is capable of over clocking in case I ever do,

?

[sudden torrent]

Some people can get 20% more fps from overclocking, but usually it's less

[proven mango]

i belive all graphics card that are newer than like the nvidia 700 series can overclock

[ancient pumice]

sure, if that's going to be one of your goals with the pc, to be able to overclock

[proven mango]

idk abt cpus tho

[sudden torrent]

If you get a Ryzen CPU then everything will be able to overclock anyway

[olive quiver]

Okay. I’m getting an intel probably. I’ll see the price of my pc and see the price difference of getting something I can over clock vs not and decide from there

[ancient pumice]

intel gets pricey if you plan on overclocking smh

[olive quiver]

Hm. Maybe I won’t then

[quick rose]

If Intel, you'll need a K processor and a Z motherboard

[sudden torrent]

It costs a lot more on Intel to get the Z board and k CPU

[olive quiver]

Yeah I’ve noticed that. So maybe I’ll just not over clocking

[sudden torrent]

If you get a B560/H570 motherboard you can at least use fast RAM and overclock that, memory is always good to boost

[olive quiver]

So question then. If I get an Intel i9 10900 as opposed to a 10900k, is it the same exact cpu, except if I had the K, I would get the bonus stuff from overclocking?

[sudden torrent]

K means the CPU can overclock, but ONLY on a Z board like Z490/Z590, so you have to spend more on the CPU as well as the motherboard.
K chips can have a slightly higher base clock speed but nothing that would be noticeable to be worth an extra $80. Other than that they're identical.

[proven mango]

k means overclockable i think

[olive quiver]

Ah okay. So I might as well go w an i9 10900 without the k and a motherboard without the Z and it’ll be cheaper with barely any difference. And would that be a good cpu for gaming with a 3070 gpu?

[sudden torrent]

That'll be more than enough for a 3070, with 10 cores/20 threads you'll be able to stream and video edit fast too

[olive quiver]

Okay sweet. Sounds good thanks. And then I’ll be able to save money on the mother board

[sudden torrent]

Exactly, if you don't want to squeeze every drop of performance out of it no point spending more for basically the same thing.

[proven mango]

hows this?

[sudden torrent]

UB is bad for measuring OC

[proven mango]

once im done with my match lemme do a time spy

once im done with my match lemme do a time spy

[zenith palm]

This means nothing lol

[proven mango]

lol that match was ez

[solid crown]

I hate Sony for making there laptops intentionally hard to overclock

[quick rose]

uh

That's all laptops

TBH

[solid crown]

i know

does anybody know a way to get to the advanced bios features?

I want to enable turbo boost

[quick rose]

What laptop and CPU? And turbo boost is on by default on most of them?

[solid crown]

Its a sony vaio vpceb11fm with an upgraded intel i7 620m

turbo boost is disabled by default

[quick rose]

yeah, that's a little on the old side

[solid crown]

I know

But its still a solid laptop

[quick rose]

Right, i'm looking at the chipset to see if it even supports that

[solid crown]

According to ark intel it says it does

[quick rose]

The CPU does

I'm talking about the chipset on the motherboard

[solid crown]

oh

smh lol

[quick rose]

H55

[zenith palm]

Sony make laptopsss?

[quick rose]

Sorry, HM55 express

[solid crown]

yeah

[quick rose]

It's from 2010

[zenith palm]

Ahh

[solid crown]

they still make them

[zenith palm]

Tbh the motherboard will not support overclocking, it never does in laptops

1 because cost, 2 because thermals

[solid crown]

Yeah

[quick rose]

Not overclocking, just Turbo Boost

[solid crown]

I was just hoping to get the most performance out of it

I tried an app called throttle stop, waste of time

[zenith palm]

Adding an ssd if your laptop doesn't have one will be the best way to get bit of extra snapyness

[solid crown]

I know

My only limitation would be SATA

its older so...

[quick rose]

They make SATA SSD

and it's a really nice bump over an HDD

[zenith palm]

Sata ssds and nvme aren't really noticeable unless doing large transfers all the time

[tall pelican]

only issue is it might be limited to sata2 speeds

[solid crown]

thats what I said

[tall pelican]

sata3 is the 550mb/s

and that's what every ssd will have on the package

[solid crown]

Im going to put an SSD in it no matter what

[dull ginkgo]

throttlestop is actually pretty decent for forcing boosting on chips that don't OC

and for the voltage control

[solid crown]

yeah

[proven mango]

pog

[solid crown]

I originally had an intel i3 330m and just put the i7 620m in there and was hoping to get the best performance out of it

[tall pelican]

https://kb.sandisk.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/8142/~/difference-between-sata-i%2C-sata-ii-and-sata-iii looks like 285MB/s will be your cap (if it is sata2)

[dull ginkgo]

not bad

[solid crown]

ok great

I was looking at sata 3 wd drives

[dull ginkgo]

Sata is backwards compatible right?

[solid crown]

yeah

[sudden torrent]

Yes

It'll just go the speed of the slowest point, like PCI

[dull ginkgo]

nice

[quick rose]

I can't find anything about that laptop and advanced BIOS settings

Only how to get into it

[solid crown]

yeah thats my issue right there

[quick rose]

It might not be supported on the H55M express chipset TBH although I couldn't find much on that either

[solid crown]

Yeah its kinda hidden

Sony's forums are absolutely useless

I just feel that when you pay for something they should allow you to do what you want with it.

[sudden torrent]

That's the whole concept behind the "right to repair" movement, which includes modifications and customization

[solid crown]

yeah...

would anybody know if I could get that sony up to directx 11

[quick rose]

mmmm......what GPU does it have or integrated only? Also depends on OS.

[solid crown]

integrated, runs windows 10 home

[quick rose]

What's it say in Device Manager? Intel Ark isn't very helpful "
Intel® HD Graphics for Previous Generation Intel® Processors"

[solid crown]

one sec ill check

ummm

it doesnt say

[quick rose]

oofs

[solid crown]

nvrmd

it says...

Intel HD Graphics

[tall pelican]

open up gpuz

[quick rose]

Yoiks

[tall pelican]

adv tab will tell you support

[quick rose]

Tryna figure out if that CPU integrated supports DX11

I don't think it does

[sudden torrent]

Windows key + R
dxdiag
Let it run

[solid crown]

ok

it says directx 12

but all the programs I have say it has 10.2

nope

still says incompatible directx

[quick rose]

I'd wager a guess it's not supported then.

[solid crown]

damn

that sucks

[sudden torrent]

Still useful for basic tests and info

[short blade]

i7-620m supports DirectX 10.1

opengl 2.1

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/hd_graphics_(ironlake)

either way you're not going to be able to run any remotely modern games on an 11 year old dual core's igpu

so not sure what dx11 would do for you

it's more suited to games from early-mid 2000s

running dx 7-8

[tawny hazel]

Max OC on 3200g stock cooler?

[dull ginkgo]

You want to know the max?

[tawny hazel]

Well like

the best you could do

[dull ginkgo]

4.465ghz on stock
https://hwbot.org/submission/4394664_codename_dolphin_cpu_frequency_ryzen_3_3200g_4465.95_mhz

[tawny hazel]

on stock

[dull ginkgo]

Because of it I just go look for hwbot subs whenever someone asks max lol

[tall pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[mint mountain]

Asus bios is so confusing

How do I even set core frequency

Or ring frequency

[dull ginkgo]

usually you don't set core frequency, you set a multiplier

[mint mountain]

Well yeah but idk where that is

[sterile flame]

[47x 48x 49x]

[tall pelican]

core you have to set core ratio limit, ring is cache min and max ratio limits

[mint mountain]

There’s the core ratio do I set that to 50 for 5 ghz

[sterile flame]

Yeah

[mint mountain]

How do I do the cache min and max if I want 47 ring

[tall pelican]

47 min and 47 max

[mint mountain]

Oh ok

[proven canopy]

DAE really want to just daily 50/50/5000 just because

[sterile flame]

one guy in LTT discord got his 3950x to 4.9GHz but was running it at 1.45V and thought it was safe to run daily

[proven canopy]

Can't imagine that's even single core stable

I could see it being able to boot windows though

[mint mountain]

Hmm my computer looks like it’s going to boot Into windows the. Just doesn’t

Ayy it’s doing something

Oh it’s advanced repair optiond

Hmm I don’t think this is stable

Considering it’s getting stuck and not showing the login screen

[clever epoch]

definitely not

[sterile flame]

hello

4.4ghz 3100

All core

On a stock cooler

And those temps are idle

Imma just try booting 4.5ghz

[sudden torrent]

World record is almost 6 GHz on HWbot
https://hwbot.org/submission/4453768_takukou_cpu_frequency_ryzen_3_3100_5928.19_mhz

That's on LN2 of course

Which, a 3100 on LN2 is a very funny picture to me

[short blade]

he is setting 44 multiplier on auto voltage and calling it overclocking

someone make him stop

[sudden torrent]

71 C on stock cooler though, could definitely push it higher with more voltage

[short blade]

temperature is not the only factor

he mentioned in general chat it is going to 1.3v auto under loads

which is already in the danger zone of most zen 2 chips

but he did not want to listen to the 6 people telling him not to use auto voltage with manual multiplier

so if he wants to kill his chip then he wants to kill his chip

[sudden torrent]

Oh I have general muted, yeah auto is bad when manual overclocking.

[short blade]

I'll never understand people that ask for advice and then argue against everyone lol

[tall pelican]

sometimes you gotta let kids kill their cpus before they learn to take advice from those more experienced than them 🤷‍♂️

[short blade]

fair enough

poor 3100 did nothing wrong

[sudden torrent]

You know who the most dangerous users are? It's not the ones that know what they're doing, not even the ones that have no idea what they're doing. It's the ones that THINK they know what they're doing.

[short blade]

morgana?

[sudden torrent]

?
What, was that a quote or something? I was speaking from experience lol

[tall pelican]

like me benching 1.5v on my 3900xt

[sudden torrent]

You're the first category, you know damn well what you're doing and prepared to accept the consequences

[short blade]

no, the user morgana is like that

they argued for an hour that a 3080 or 3090 is incompatible with any cpu newer than an i7-7700k

because of "above 4g decoding"

who even knows where they got that idea lol

[sudden torrent]

WTF that's so random. Should have posted that on r/confidentlyincorrect

[short blade]

perhaps, I dropped out after like 2 minutes though

anyways this is no longer about overclocking

I posted my ram oc on reddit

and someone was like "that trfc is too loose try 140ns"

I said that's b-die trfc

he said nope 140ns trfc works on rev. e

[tall pelican]

beggar 140ns trfc

(yes ik its single channel)

[sudden torrent]

Cheater lol

[tall pelican]

not really

spd got corrupted and doesnt detect the second stick

[sudden torrent]

Trippy. Can't fix it with Thaiphoon?

[tall pelican]

supposed to look like this

instead looks like this

cant write an spd without am4, and my one am4 board doesnt boot with a bad stick installed

[sudden torrent]

1gb dram chip lol

[tall pelican]

more look at module capacity

and its apparently a penta rank stick

[sudden torrent]

Guessing Thaiphoon said no writing to SPD?

[tall pelican]

thaiphoon wont, I asked the dev

[sudden torrent]

Yeah a lot of modules are blocked from writes, either from hardware or firmware

[short blade]

I go to sleep gn you two

[sudden torrent]

g'night

[sterile flame]

scuff

ed

[sudden torrent]

There's a function on the snipping tool that captures a single program window 😉

[sterile flame]

too long

anyways, why is PBO still acting up

[clever epoch]

It's literally faster than taking out your phone, going to camera, and sharing to discord

[sterile flame]

?????????

[tall pelican]

win+prntscreen, tab to discord, control+v

[sudden torrent]

3 seconds

[clever epoch]

Also that isn't nearly enough information. What chip? What PBO settings? What benchmark/workload?

[tall pelican]

5900x, 3900x wouldnt pull as much with just pbo

[sterile flame]

motherboard limit +200 nothing else, Prime95 smallest fft

my SVI2 is hitting 1.1v max

[tall pelican]

bruh you hid ppt/tdc/edc limits

[sterile flame]

idk why

[clever epoch]

Ah you're right. Didn't look at core count and clocks

[sterile flame]

where is it so i can grab it

[tall pelican]

in hwinfo

[sterile flame]

what section

[sudden torrent]

You're going over 80 C also, boosting will be limited

[tall pelican]

boosting continues to 90c

[clever epoch]

Also you should adjust curve optimizer before setting boost override

[sterile flame]

i manual set thermal throttle to 90 maybe 95c iirc

[clever epoch]

80C recorded doesn't mean you're under 90C across the entire chip as well btw

[sudden torrent]

86 on CCD1, pretty close to 90

[clever epoch]

^ and hwinfo only samples 0.5 second by default, I think

Either that or 1 second

[tall pelican]

2s on default

[sudden torrent]

2000 ms (unless I changed mine)

Yeah so it's totally possible it hit 90 for a second and dropped back

[clever epoch]

Oh yeah, 2000. I lowered mine and forgot

[sterile flame]

gonna put ice packs on rad rq

[clever epoch]

Anyways I'd do curve optimizer before touching boost override

[tall pelican]

amd hold temps, the throttling is microseconds long

just show ppt/edc/tdc limits, problem solved

[clever epoch]

And set the limits manually, don't just do motherboard

250/200/200 for PPT, EDC, TDC should be fine

[sudden torrent]

That's where they are

[sterile flame]

Good?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

Moar power

[clever epoch]

Get rid of boost override IMO

Slap a -5 curve offset on all cores

[tall pelican]

nonono let him have the AMD™️ experience of crashing at idle

[lavish tundra]

Fitz is there a tool to oc ram in os

Or bios only?

[sterile flame]

Wot

[lavish tundra]

Im getting very tired of restarting to bios all the time

[tall pelican]

dont oc ram in os

[sudden torrent]

I know that you can change settings from Ryzen Master but you still need to reboot and cross your fingers it starts

[lavish tundra]

Oh okay

[tall pelican]

let your boot manager tell you you're unstable, not your OS

[sterile flame]

U have to clear cmos for ryzen master if it no boot

[lavish tundra]

When the electricity in my area comes back could you suggest some secondary and tertiary timings

[sudden torrent]

What die do you have?

[lavish tundra]

Like take your time no need to get back to me immediately

[lavish tundra]

Samsung C

[tall pelican]

just lower than what the mobo autos to

integral's guide gives decent starting points

[clever epoch]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[tall pelican]

oh, and whoever was wondering about thaiphoon writing spds, integral's page had the elmor's lab spd writing program

[sudden torrent]

That was me. Still a no-go on fixing the SPD?

[lavish tundra]

Oh okay thanks a ton

[tall pelican]

oh, I've tried for a couple days, just waiting for gskill to okay the rma

[sudden torrent]

Oh well yeah gskill does lifetime warranty so you're good there

[sterile flame]

cool icue isn't recognizing my h100i anymofre

[tall pelican]

well there's your issue

[clever epoch]

icue
Found your problem

[tall pelican]

link4 is the cool older brother of icue

[sterile flame]

i open it set fan speed then close it

full close

[tall pelican]

h100i should have memory on board

mine did, but was a h100i pro iirc

[sterile flame]

mines a plat

[tall pelican]

then it should def have on board memory

[sterile flame]

how do i get it to show those

[sudden torrent]

What version of HWinfo is that?

[sudden torrent]

Layout, check for things disabled under Monitoring

It might also just be further down the list

It's where the temps are

[sterile flame]

everything is enabled

[sudden torrent]

Well you can always watch the limits in Ryzen Master, HWinfo must not like your board

There's an update available for hwinfo to 7.02, maybe go with that

[sudden torrent]

Guessing your board didn't like that one lol

[sterile flame]

Could there be a setting in bios causing it?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah, drop the EDC from 200 to 180 in BIOS

[sterile flame]

cool

65,280RPM ML120s

nice

[sudden torrent]

Yeah you got some BIOS issues going on there

[sterile flame]

time to update

fml

[sudden torrent]

Make sure to drop back to stock or clear cmos before updating

[sterile flame]

Why

[sudden torrent]

A potentially unstable overclock can mess with the bits. A BIOS update will clear cmos after anyway usually.

[sterile flame]

bios update fixed it

Still no data in hwinfo, but its in ryzen master now

250/200/180

should the max be this low?

[sudden torrent]

ok that's a start, you'll need to change the bios options again since it's defaults

[sterile flame]

i changed it

to 250/200/180

[sterile flame]

this is after i changed it back to prior settings

[sudden torrent]

Hmm Ryzen Master says it's the defaults though, maybe it was an invalid number and bios threw it out?

[sterile flame]

I'll try another restart

Still default

[sudden torrent]

Is RM overriding any settings? Maybe it needs to be updated too?

[sterile flame]

and its back to being scuffed

[sterile flame]

i JUST installed ryzen master

[sudden torrent]

Well we can just ignore that for now at least. Try to run another stress test, it should have more power available to it now.

[sudden torrent]

Did you set your overclock back on too? 4300 effective on one die is a little weak

[sterile flame]

this is just PBO

i want to figure out my FIT voltage

Clearly can't do that, considering its running a max of 1.1v

[sterile flame]

hey so i am having a issue with getting my new kit of four 8gb sticks of trident z rgb 3600 to run at 3600 mhz without random bsod's
had to lower it to 3333 mhz to run it stable without any bsod's
if anyone is familiar with running memory at a speed of 3600 with 4 sticks, could you dm me(i might not see the message in here)

[lavish tundra]

Motherboard and cpu?

also are you manually overclocking or enabling XMP?

[sterile flame]

i tried xmp

still crashed after a few mins

one sec

[lavish tundra]

motherboard and cpu?

[sterile flame]

mind if i copy from speccy?

i custom built my desktop btw

[lavish tundra]

then you should know what your motherboard and cpu are...

[sterile flame]

i do

i just was gonna get you the full model

nvm about speccy then here

ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO

10700k

[lavish tundra]

chipset?

[sterile flame]

that is the motherboard

the cpu is the 10700k

[lavish tundra]

what chipset does the motherboard run on?

cpu and chipset are different things

[sterile flame]

z490

if that is what your looking for

[lavish tundra]

yep

have you updated ur mobo bios?

because everything seems compatible

[sterile flame]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232923?Item=N82E16820232923

that is the ram

i updated from ripjaws 5 3200

[lavish tundra]

have you updated bios tho

[sterile flame]

not recently, most recent update i did was probably like 6 months ago, i would expect it to work

since that if after the ram came out

[lavish tundra]

update to latest and enable xmp and try

[sterile flame]

Updating it now

[sterile flame]

Ok testing it now

After the update

Would prime 95 with the option that stresses the memory controller and ram be a good test?

Seems to still have not crashed. I guess updated the uefi did work either that or it got smarter and adjusted the settings automatically better to be stable

[zenith palm]

Updating the bios most likely wouldn't do anything unless the shipped the board on a unstable bios for overclocking r sum

[zenith palm]

Mem test 86 i think is what you wanna use

[dull ginkgo]

or occt

or tm5

[sterile flame]

Well it was a year old when I updated it just nos

Also prime95 ran without crashing on the memory stress option at 3600 this time after updating but stopped after one error after 24 mins for some of the tests and 27 for some of the others

Also for some reason the board defaulted to 1.4 voltage on the system agent and 1.4 voltage on the vccio rail

That doesn't sound ok unless I am wrong

Granted I could be wrong which I probably am

[zenith palm]

Well xmp is usually 1.35v for something like 3200 voltage depends on your speed and timings

[sterile flame]

That is the dram voltage

[dull ginkgo]

dunno, not sure what vccio should default to

[sterile flame]

I am talking about vccio and system agent

[dull ginkgo]

not generally something you touch for ram oc

[sterile flame]

It was auto set to the voltage I said above

And might be what was causing the crashes earlier

Since on the non updated version it was leaving them at 1.1

[dull ginkgo]

(As in, it might not be involved in dram operations)

Things like soc voltage are things you might touch for ram

[sterile flame]

Yeah I have new ram

That is what I am trying to get to run correctly

Earlier before I updated the uefi it was setting the vccio to 1.1 voltage and leaving system agent at 1.0 and it was blue screening a lot. Now with the newest update of the uefi it auto set the vccio to 1.312 voltage and system agent to 1.408 voltage which didn't give a error until aprx 25 mins into a stress test

[dull ginkgo]

also, you might want to set soc voltage to like 1.1v manually

[sterile flame]

Soc?

Isn't that just system agent

[dull ginkgo]

oh I see

Intel

also, note, "Some easy examples would be the System Agent voltage for Intel CPUs (VCCSA); increasing VCCSA to, for example, 1.4V is inadvisable for modern platforms, and will inevitably damage the IMC."

[sterile flame]

Out of curiosity is that for the 10 gen cpu's?

Also I dropped it to 1.2 voltage on both of those rails

And it hasn't insta blue screened like it did before updating the uefi

So hopefully if it doesn't give me a error after 30 mins in prime95 I will put memtest 86 on a usb and test that

[dull ginkgo]

Well, the article is like 3 years old, but should still apply

if p95 doesn't give an error, I'd do either occt or tm5

[sterile flame]

Can I dm you?

[dull ginkgo]

tm5: https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/
occt: https://www.ocbase.com/

[sterile flame]

K I can look at those if prime95 doesn't give a error

Nope still got errors with prime 95

No bsod but got errors on the workers

Well one error so far but def more would come

[olive quiver]

question. What’s really the difference between intel i9 10900 and 10900k cause I read they both support overclocking

[quick rose]

K is overclockable.

10900 isn't

[sterile flame]

hiyo, am I to understand MSI Afterburners OC Scanner no longer works on Pascal GPU's?

I'm trying 4.6.2 now to see if that still works

well, it hasn't immediately errored out, so that's a good sign

[olive quiver]

Oh maybe the website I read was wrong then

[sterile flame]

nah it's officially not-overclockable, I read the same thing

4.6.2 does seem to be working tho

since 4.6.3 beta 5 has been impossible to find and download

okay, we stable

[zenith palm]

Just manually overclock the gpu in afterburner it's pretty easy, bit more time consuming but you'll get better perf anyway

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent Figured it out

my PBO FMax enhancer was being automatically enabled and was hidden

Disabled it, fixed my EDC problem and its now pulling 195W

SoC still doesn't want to pull more than 1.1v though

[sudden torrent]

SoC is mostly for getting memory and infinity fabric stable, you don't really need it for cpu overclocking.

[sterile flame]

[short blade]

you don't want SoC to pull more than 1.1v anyways

1.1V SoC can push pretty much to the limits of the IMC

[sudden torrent]

4.3 GHz all core effective speed, that's an improvement already

[sterile flame]

Yeah

[sudden torrent]

Your second die was sitting at 3.8 last time so it can only get better from here

[sterile flame]

For new cooler, EK 360 or freezer ii

[sudden torrent]

They're effectively the same price/performance

Freezer was like 2 degrees better iirc

[sterile flame]

It uses P12s right?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah

[sterile flame]

1.25v CPU core voltage, 1.243 VID, 4.65GHz CCD 0, 4.55GHz CCD 1 and 220W package power

[sudden torrent]

Looking good 👍
A bit warm though, CPU says 94 but it's not thermal throttling

[proven canopy]

2080 FE time spy GT2 testing results https://i.imgur.com/xuZ3VB9.png

[dull ginkgo]

Much sparkles, wow

[sterile flame]

epilepsy warning

[proven canopy]

oddly, testing 5 more times, could never get 150 core stable again on that card, so final results are 135 core for both cards, 1000 on one and 1200 on the other

[restive cargo]

Well I was finally able to get my 10700K stable for AVX loads at 5.3 GHZ on water.

Took 1.395 vcore but it got there.

Non-AVX loads it's stabil at like 1.360 vcore.

Like gaming on Rust or League of Legends or Risk of Rain 2 at 1.360 vcore is fine.

It's when I hit it with that AVX that it needs the extra juice.

Thing is my load line is set to level 6 but 1.395vcore doesn't actually mean 1.395 vcore.

The board in reality is feeding it around 1.385 vcore at the max.

[lavish tundra]

oh pog!

[restive cargo]

I kept hitting it with some R11.5, R15 & R20 until it finally passed all 3 without crashing.

[real prawn]

Has anyone heard of the past mentions that the max safe voltage for Zen 2 was 1.30V or 1.325V?

[restive cargo]

I only use the CPU for gaming so I know if it can pass 20 mins of Aida 64 & all 3 of those big boys then it should be able to handle any gaming load without issue.
At least for the games I play.

That is an AMD question and I know AMD is very different than Intel.
Hopefully one of the AMD boys are on.

[lavish tundra]

1.30 is safe for daily. 1.325 is fine for an hour or so max

[lavish tundra]

I am an AMD boii

[restive cargo]

Good you can help them.

Because I am the Intel master.

[real prawn]

Now, is that under heavy load? Or just at all? Because I know Zen 2 and Zen 3 can hit over 1.4V on stock settings, but usually droops under because it's usually set to the lowest LLC by default

[lavish tundra]

Intel sensei

[lavish tundra]

1.4 over prolonged use can permanantly degrade or even kill a zen 2

[real prawn]

So the stock Zen 2 processors that used to sit in the 1.35V to 1.45V range during idle or light load are being degraded and might die much faster?

[lavish tundra]

also unless you have it locked to a specific voltage, the chip will automatically drop voltage if there isnt a use for it to boost up

[real prawn]

Actually, my bad. I guess I should specify.

In HWInfo, there's Core VID (Effective) and then Core Voltage SVI2 TFN.

[lavish tundra]

If its idling at that voltage or light workloads it isnt as dangerous but yeah still not great

[real prawn]

For me, Effective VID is stuck at 1.306V with my current overclock, but the SVI2 TFN voltage is anywhere from 1.319V to 1.331V. However, under heavy load, SVI2 TFN droops to 1.27V or 1.255V. This is with LLC 4 (second highest on my motherboard).

I noticed that with the highest LLC setting, it would stay at around 1.325V pretty strictly (sometimes actually boosting to 1.331V or 1.3375V) no matter what. Which makes sense, but I remember Steven from GN mentioning that this can be unsafe because it may overvolt the CPU.

[lavish tundra]

which chip and what frquency?

[real prawn]

So the reason I asked heavy load vs. light load was because my current overclock on a 3950X is 4.15 Ghz, 1.325V, LLC4/5, which is 1.325V at idle, 1.27V under load (about 155W average).

I used to have a 4.35 Ghz overclock, but it realized that while the PC didn't crash, it was throwing a ton of errors in Prime95 (which is important, since I do video encoding).

I was hoping to push it up again, but my idea was that if it was sitting at 1.27V under load, could I increase my voltage to 1.35V or 1.3625V since it will probably droop to 1.3 to 1.325V (the recommended max voltage)? This is while keeping LLC 4/5 so it can droop under heavy load, so idle would be around 1.35V.

[lavish tundra]

do you have the ryzen power plan on?

[real prawn]

I do not. I have a bitsum power plan from Process Lasso.

I also overclocked in the BIOS, not in Ryzen Master, if that matters.

[lavish tundra]

you want ryzen high power

[lavish tundra]

it doesnt

[real prawn]

What does the high performance plan do?

[lavish tundra]

what settings did you change in the bios

[lavish tundra]

just some optimisations under the hood

[proven canopy]

Use occt

[lavish tundra]

hey forks

also have you tried CTR?

[proven canopy]

no

nor should you

[lavish tundra]

no I asked Dark swordsman

[lavish tundra]

it gave me a great starting point

I dont use it anymore

[sudden torrent]

I saw a similar situation when there was the live LN2 overclocking contest with Jayz and GN. When Jay moved the nearby wireless devices like the microphone and camera away from the computer he was able to get the GPU core stable at the next step up.

[real prawn]

I can't remember explicitly, but I did a manual core overclock. So I set it to 4.15 Ghz, and then manually set the voltage to 1.325 (IIRC? Might actually be 1.306V, but somewhere in there).

I also had upped the Load Line Calibration from 1 to 4. For my motherboard (ASRock X570M Pro4), there are 5 settings, with 1 allowing the most droop, and 5 with no droop.

Only other thing I think is that I set the SoC voltage to 1.1V, which I think is up from the default around 1.05V. SoC should be the infinity fabric chip IIRC.

I also disabled PBO completely I think? Either that or I didn't touch it.

I also have never heard of CTR, so I don't know what that is.

[sterile flame]

lmaO

[sudden torrent]

Interference is a thing when you're pushing the limits

[lavish tundra]

did you adjust the core multiplier or go into the oc section and set the voltage and frequency?

[real prawn]

I can't remember exactly. It's been a while so I should probably go back into the BIOS to check, but I do know it was at least the OC section.

I think it was a frequency? Because it allowed me to do increments of 25 Mhz. I then manually set the core voltage instead of an offset.

[lavish tundra]

ahh from personal experience that gives worse results.

You wanna adjust the core multiplier

[real prawn]

This is what the section I adjusted looks like.

I don't think I ever saw an option for core multiplier

[lavish tundra]

wont be in the oc section

look under advanced

[real prawn]

From my recollection, the only options I have are the OC mode and then PBO overclocking

But I can reboot and check

[lavish tundra]

also thats not great ram for a zen 2 chip

[real prawn]

This screenshot is a random one I pulled off the site, since I have a lot of programs open and haven't been able to restart

[lavish tundra]

I see

[real prawn]

But I have 3000 Mhz CL15, even though I know 3600 Mhz CL16 is usually the best

[lavish tundra]

yeah you should

[lavish tundra]

so the same ram in the pic then

you might be able to bring up the ram.. ask falcie or sir fitz tho they are good at ram oc

[sudden torrent]

And I was just about to suggest overclocking it too lol

[real prawn]

I tried ocing the ram once. I'm not a big fan of it, and I think for my use case it won't help much at all.

[lavish tundra]

for video editing its a massive difference

like MASSIVE

[real prawn]

The ram calculated didn't really want me to do much besides CL14 because it's Corsair Vengeance LPX

[lavish tundra]

that doesnt matter. the memory dies do

[sudden torrent]

Oh the DRAM Calculator? I wouldn't go by that

[real prawn]

Video editing, or video encoding? Because my video editing in Premiere has been fine. I'm just trying to speed up my ffmpeg encodes because it's currently at 0.08x speed, lol

[lavish tundra]

I use sir fitz as my dram calculator. VERY reliable

[lavish tundra]

both

[sudden torrent]

I agree, he's helped on many occasions lol

[real prawn]

All I know is I looked it up once and the dies on it weren't great. And the vee minor overclocks I did weren't very stable.

[lavish tundra]

ask fitz

he will basically give you your primary timings

[real prawn]

I'd probably get more from buying a good 3600 CL16 kit than overclocking this.

[lavish tundra]

this always true

but if ur on a budget you can OC
i have a 3200 kit oced to 3600

[sudden torrent]

Yes it's better to get faster kits, but you can still push the one you have higher in the meantime

[lavish tundra]

falcie you know I havent been able to bring down primaries by even 1 without losing all stability from the primaries fitz told me to use

[sudden torrent]

He's done enough OC to just... know. He knows each die very well, even the "bad" ones.

[lavish tundra]

mans a GOAT

[real prawn]

Here's my current settings. From my understanding based on videos from GN I've seen, VID is the on board voltage of the cores, and Vcore is the external voltage that is sent to the chip.

Also, I got LLC backwards again. I have LLC 2, where the highest is 1.

[sudden torrent]

Did you remember what die you had on your memory @real prawn ?

[lavish tundra]

should be under advanced or main. not under OC

[sudden torrent]

I keep LLC on level 3 or 4

[real prawn]

I can't remember. All I know is it's a 4x8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX kit, 3000 Mhz, 15-17-17-35

[sudden torrent]

Could be cjr or djr, I'll see what I can dig up

[lavish tundra]

ifs its doing 3000 mhz cl 15 there should be a way to get it up to 3400 atleast right?

[real prawn]

This is what's under advanced

[lavish tundra]

check main

[sudden torrent]

Well if it turns out to be something like micron rev A you're better off setting it on fire

[lavish tundra]

LMAOO

[lavish tundra]

One second lemme look into the asrock bios

Ok so its in the OC tab

[real prawn]

I'd like to reiterate that my goal is just to increase encode speed. For libx265, this means 70-100% CPU utilization most of the time, where on stock, it would always push it down to 4.0 Ghz. So peak core isn't a priority for now.

[lavish tundra]

Yep okay

[real prawn]

So "OC Tweaker"?

Or the "AMD Overclocking" section?

[quick rose]

If you wanna increase encode speed, get a kit of 3600 mhz or faster ram

[lavish tundra]

OC tweaker

[quick rose]

Core to core communication on AMD is tied to ram speed

[lavish tundra]

there should be an option called CPU Ratio

[quick rose]

With 3000 mhz ram, FCLK is only 1500 mhz instead of 1800+

[real prawn]

These are the options

[lavish tundra]

strang

Vintage do you know where the core frequency ratios are in the asrock bios?

[quick rose]

Faster ram will do more for you than clocking the CPU will. Right now that CPU is hamstrung by slow ram.

[lavish tundra]

I have a video open that says they should be right there but they arent

[quick rose]

Honestly manually OC'ing AMD CPU's doesn't net much more than PBO.

[lavish tundra]

It did for me

by more than 100mhz

[quick rose]

This is a 3950X tho

[lavish tundra]

True

[quick rose]

That 100 mhz won't do anything for encoding times TBH

[lavish tundra]

It will make small difference

[quick rose]

Maybe a second

Where faster ram will be huge improvement

[lavish tundra]

5 seconds or so

[lavish tundra]

VERY huge

[quick rose]

Have fun

[lavish tundra]

lol thanks

[real prawn]

When I was previously overclocking, my R20 score raise from about 9400 at 4.0 Ghz to I think 9800 at 4.15 Ghz. Highest I got was 10100 or so, but that was unstable.

[lavish tundra]

ok so try going into the amd oc section

[real prawn]

We are talking about encodes that are currently at 0.08x speed because I'm doing 4K 10-bit H265 with the slow preset

[quick rose]

Why are you even limiting it manually?

Max boost is 4.7, single core yeah but....just crank up PBO

[real prawn]

I don't think PBO will help since that's for single core peaks. Libx265 uses all 32 threads near 100% utilization.

At least since I'm currently encoding 4K and it can split more threads off

[lavish tundra]

PBO isnt single core only.

[quick rose]

No no no

My 3700x will do 4.3 all core on PBO

and it's a bad bin

[real prawn]

So if it sees an opportunity to increase some cores it will? Even under heavy multi threaded load?

[quick rose]

yes

Need to change some limits is all

[lavish tundra]

pbo pushes all cores as far as it can to the max advertised boost

[real prawn]

I see. I remember testing, and my worst CCX was 4.35 Ghz, where the best was 4.575 Ghz.

[quick rose]

Well, AMD did spoop with advertised speeds

on 3000 series

[lavish tundra]

true

[quick rose]

max Boost is single core only

all core expect less, 300 or so

But changing some PBO limits you can bypass that

[lavish tundra]

yeah

you can try CTR as well

helped me get a base for my frequencies

[quick rose]

But I'm telling you right now, that slow ram is literally hamstringing that CPU if you want a speed boost

[real prawn]

I guess I'll have to try PBO at some point then. I was just hoping to see if I can increase it to 4.25 Ghz or 4.30 Ghz by upping the voltage, since Vcore was drooping to 1.27V under load, well under the recommended 1.325V limit.

[lavish tundra]

i told them they definitely need to buy better ram or ask fitz

and falcie is checking what chips the ram sticks use

[quick rose]

Set everything back to stock in the BIOS. Go to AMD Overclocking, turn on PBO there, and change a few more things

Need to see a screen to see what exactly is there

[lavish tundra]

asrock bios is the worst ive seen yet ngl

[quick rose]

it is

[lavish tundra]

other than the poopy prebuilt one

thats worst

like the optiplex bios

[quick rose]

Need to turn up PPT, TDC and EDC a little bit. Otherwise it will power limt

[sudden torrent]

@real prawn The memory is either Hynix or Samsung on that kit. Snap a pic of the white sticker on one of the sticks and I can tell you for sure.

[quick rose]

LLC should go up as well

With the settings it's at now that's 4.15 all core and a bit slow

[real prawn]

I appreciate the help, but I think I'll skip it for now. I used to have a 4.25, 4.30, and 4.35 Ghz overclock, though the 4.35 Ghz overclock was a little unstable (and limited by the slowest CCX).

I was hoping to just increase my vcore, put it at 4.25/4.30, do a 10-15 minute test with p95 to check stability, and then continue using it to hopefully increase my encode times (since currently, my next encoding is slated to happen for 25 hours straight, so even a bump from 0.08 to 0.09 would take it from 25 hours to 22.2 hours.

[quick rose]

I mean, PBO should be able to do better than that. I'd expect 4.5 at least all core with it set up right

[real prawn]

I know that with memory overclocks, I need to run multiple instances of memtest overnight and constant check the OC for issues until it's stable. Then for PBO, I've never done it before and don't know what issues to look for.

[lavish tundra]

Get better ram tbh. Perf will instantly increase by a lot

[quick rose]

PBO is the same issues as manual overclock

[lavish tundra]

anta profile on memtest is great'and you need to run it for an hour tbh

[real prawn]

I also am using a 240mm AIO, and the last time I tried to do PBO I hit over 110C instead of my usual max of 85C with a 4.25/4.30 Ghz overclock.

[sudden torrent]

There's easier ways to test memory. You only need an overnight test if you need 100% perfect stability.

[lavish tundra]

anta stable for an hour is good enough

[real prawn]

Yeah. Maybe I'll do all that in the future. Right now I just wanted to see if upping my vcore would be safe so I can run a slightly higher overclock, which I know can help at least a little bit, especially for a quick fix.

I also don't want to touch RAM for overclocking beyond it's spec, since memory accuracy is kinda important for video encoding.

[quick rose]

Honestly it should stock boost higher than that all core.

Base clock is 3.7 ghz

[sudden torrent]

Upping your RAM frequency will boost your Infinity Fabric, which directly affects core performance

[real prawn]

When I used to have it stock, it would sit at 4.0 Ghz during anything that used more than 70% of the CPU

And this sits at 90+% all the time

[quick rose]

What Asrock board?

[real prawn]

It did actually used to sit at 4.5-4.7 Ghz quite a bit during light loads, but it didn't matter when I started to actually utilize a lot of the threads

ASRock X570M Pro4

[quick rose]

Mmmm, that board doesn't have the best VRM's either. 96C with a 3800x and you've got a 3950x in there. MIght actually be getting power limited trying to just get to stock clocks.

[lavish tundra]

10 power phases

not the best for a cpu like the 3950X

thats 8 phases to a 16 core CPU

[quick rose]

I'd just slap it back to stock or whatever clocks worked for you with some faster ram and call it a day.

[lavish tundra]

Same honestly

its a very bad board for ocing a 3950X

I have 12 phases for a 6 core processor lmao

[sudden torrent]

That's a bit overkill lol, is that like a 12+4 board?

[lavish tundra]

12+2

[real prawn]

All I know is that I've been running LLC 3/2 for a while, but I didn't know my vcore was drooping to 1.255V-1.27V. My last stable OC was 4.25 Ghz, but I dropped it to 4.15 Ghz just to be safe. But this was, again, not realizing that under load, it would droop to 1.27V or so.

Faster RAM is certainly on my list, though, not really affordable for me at the moment, lol.

[lavish tundra]

12+2 Phases Digital VRM Solution with DrMOS

[sudden torrent]

Marketing fluff mostly in that phrase

[lavish tundra]

send falcie a pic of your ram sticker

[lavish tundra]

thats why I sent it to you tbh

[real prawn]

So what would I be doing, frequency overclock, not timings?

I just don't want to do a memory overclock because I won't feel safe unless I did a long memtest on it, and that's not really time I have.

[lavish tundra]

both

you cant increase only 1

[real prawn]

At that point I'd probably just want to spend money on a 3600 Mhz kit and not have to deal with overclocking the memory

[lavish tundra]

trust me what fitz told me worked out of the box.

I would be fine not mem testing it if fitz slapped on his seal of approval

[sudden torrent]

Well if you got lucky and scored yourself some Samsung B-Die or even C-Die you can easily get it up to 3600 with pretty tight timing very stable, send that sticker and I'll tell you what to expect if you overclocked it

[real prawn]

I mean, for gaming I wouldn't mind, but I'm doing a very, very long video encode and trying to maintain a high quality. I guess ideally I would use ECC memory, but that's just not an option currently. Sending now.

I should probably clean my case tomorrow. Been a while

[sudden torrent]

Hynix CJR

Ver 5.32

3600 c16 stable would be easy I believe

[real prawn]

really?

I mean, I can try it

Just not sure what the other values should be, since I know it's not all cas latency

[sudden torrent]

3600 16-19-19-38 I would try, but go in steps changing one value at a time so you know what the problem is if there is one.

[real prawn]

Also, would it be achievable on a 4x kit? I heard that having 4x dimms instead of 2x can reduce overclocking capabilities

I see. So should I start with timings, then frequency? And I should probably adjust the FLCK with memory frequency, right?

I also have GearDownMode set to off I think? That was because I couldn't originally achieve the RAM's rated CL15 with it on. I should probably turn that back on?

[lavish tundra]

16-20-20-40 should be better

[lavish tundra]

FCLK adjusts itself

always to half the ram speeds

[real prawn]

Oh, really? Last time I had it on auto it was auto-setting to 1200 Mhz, even though my ram was set to 1500 (3000)

[lavish tundra]

reset mobo settings

have you updated the bos anytime recently?

[real prawn]

I can't remember the last time I updated it, so I probably should I guess

[sudden torrent]

This is only true at speeds above 4000, and less frequently a problem in AMD than Intel

[lavish tundra]

yes

[sudden torrent]

With GDM off your RAM automatically will set itself to CR2 which is a lot slower than CR1 with GDM. You'd be better off setting the cas to 14 than turning off GDM.

[real prawn]

So GDM on, and I can probably set it to CL16, then up the frequency?

[sudden torrent]

Yes, to start with. Also set the other main timings like Craipop said, 16-20-20-40 since that will be slightly more stable than the one I said.

And increase dram voltage

[real prawn]

Something like 1.40/1.42V?

[lavish tundra]

too high

[real prawn]

1.37V?

Stock XMP is 1.35V

[lavish tundra]

hmm

[sudden torrent]

It should scale up to 1.4 or so

CJR is pretty good at overclocking

Almost as good as B-Die

[real prawn]

Scale? Based on some other value automatically? Or is there some curve I should follow?

Wait, really? LOL

[lavish tundra]

thats pretty high tbh

IDK tho

falcie knows more about this

trust falcie

[real prawn]

So I know someone mentioned tools to test faster than memtest. Is there anything good that can at least give a general idea of the stability pretty quick?

[lavish tundra]

the anta config file for memtest

[real prawn]

I do know a lot of higher frequency memory is rated at 1.42 or 1.45, some even 1.5V. So up to 1.4V sounds right to me.

[lavish tundra]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uegPn9ZuUoWxOssCP4PjMjGW9eC_1VJA/edit

thats the config download link

[sudden torrent]

My kit has the XMP voltage at 1.45 lol, you'll be fine at 1.4 without additional cooling

[real prawn]

Is it fine to keep my existing 4.15 Ghz CPU overclock while I do this?

[sudden torrent]

Yes that won't affect it at all

[lavish tundra]

I would recommend updating bios to the latest version that isnt in beta before the ram OC tho

[real prawn]

Actually, I should probably do an encoding test before I touch the ram to see my current performance.

also yeah, I'm updating it now to 3.40

[sudden torrent]

It's a good voltage to start testing at, and once you have it comfortably stable you can try taking it down 0.01v at a time and testing again

[lavish tundra]

smort

[real prawn]

This encoding test will take about 13 minutes so I'll come back when that's done

uhh, I think my overclock got reset when I updated the bios, lol

Hopefully it kept my presets

[sterile flame]

i get 3400 16-17-17-35 easy

CJR should be getting 3600c16

[sudden torrent]

That's what I said

[real prawn]

Looks like my presets are there but it can't load them. I'll have to redo my previous OC so I can get test data, lol

good thing I took screenshots of everything beforehand lol

[lavish tundra]

dont do that oc

Use PBO

[sudden torrent]

Yeah it won't/shouldn't load settings from a previous BIOS version, for safety

[lavish tundra]

that was a horrible OC imo

[real prawn]

I want to do it so have test data to see if it actually improved. Since I'm in this deep I may try PBO after we see the memory results.

[sudden torrent]

People are easily getting 4600 with PBO on that CPU, 4300 should be easy enough with a 240 AIO

[real prawn]

While I wait for this to boot again because I forgot a setting, is there a way to properly adjust voltages with PBO? Because everytime I saw anyone run it, it would make their CPU run ridiculously hot. Mine even got to 110C once during a test and it shut down for safety.

[sudden torrent]

Yes, set the voltage mode to offset. I do -250mV offset

[real prawn]

I see. Speaking of offset, what is the offset based on? I've never tried to do offset because I never knew what voltage number it's subtracting or adding to.

[sudden torrent]

The offset is based on the voltage the CPU is requesting. If it asks for 1.4v, the board applies the offset to that for the actual voltage

[real prawn]

I see, so the voltage is dynamic. Is that original request just number pre-defined by AMD/board partners?

[proven canopy]

Yes, especially if you're unfamiliar with ram oc and don't want to bork your daily os

My friends recommend test 6 looped for intel

Maybe that was test 5, idr

[sudden torrent]

Yes, by default the voltage is dynamic and PBO uses that behavior too for optimal efficiency

[proven canopy]

But occt, linpack, tm5 anta, ycruncher are meta

[sudden torrent]

He's got CJR memory btw

[lavish tundra]

tm 5 on extreme anta is also a fast way to do it

1hr pretty much guarantees stability

[real prawn]

How was my ram kit so cheap with CJR? I think it was like $160 at the time.

32 GB 4x8

[sudden torrent]

Just lucky I guess but the version 5.32 is CJR so there's no doubt it is

[real prawn]

Alright, so here's the baseline test. My old OC with 3000 Mhz CL15. Number we care about is seconds, so 641.87s here. I'll start doing the memory overclock now.

[sudden torrent]

I got lucky with my B-Die kit, it was only $100 for 16GB with RGB

[real prawn]

Holy shit, wow

Alright, so GDM back on, 16-20-20-40. Any other settings I need to worry about, like CAS write speed (currently 14), or just leave it on Auto?

[sudden torrent]

CAS 16

[real prawn]

I also set CR to 1, unless I should leave that auto?

[lavish tundra]

put your procodt to like 36.9

[real prawn]

the right number is the field, I just haven't saved it yet

[sudden torrent]

CR1 is fine with GDM

That all looks right to me

You might also want to set SoC to 1.1v

[real prawn]

Already set it to 1.1v ;)

[sudden torrent]

That's to help the infinity fabric go faster

Good, you should be set then. Give it a go.

[real prawn]

Should I do the procodt like crai mentioned, or leave it auto?

[sudden torrent]

Leave that auto for now

[real prawn]

alright, settings were applied. I'll do that anta test Crai linked to check stability

Then after this, start with 3200 Mhz maybe? 3400?

[sudden torrent]

Oh you didn't change frequency yet? Well yes it's best to go up a little at a time

[real prawn]

So memtest 5? 6? 7?

[sudden torrent]

I'd do 7 but Forks said 5 or 6, doesn't matter really it'll test it one way or another

[real prawn]

This is the right site? I think I'll do 7, since it's listed here https://hcidesign.com/memtest/

[sudden torrent]

TM5 is what you want

http://testmem.tz.ru/tm5.rar

Load the Anta777 "Extreme" config

[real prawn]

So I download it, and then do I have to rename the config or anything?

This is what I have in bin

[sudden torrent]

There should be a load button once you start it

[real prawn]

I see now. I was worried because it just started to immediately run the test without warning, lol

[lavish tundra]

also remember to start tm5 as admin

[real prawn]

Yeah, I just saw that

Though, when I do run it as admin, a ton of these info boxes pop up

Do I just ignore them? Because the little text box on the app doesn't warn me about compatibility mode (due to not running as admin) anymore

[sudden torrent]

Yeah as long as there aren't memory errors and it runs it's fine

[real prawn]

okay cool

How long does the test run for? Currently at 7 minutes. I guess I should've just bumped it to 3200 Mhz lol

[sudden torrent]

It runs as long as you let it

Yeah go ahead and bump frequency, I'd even go for 3400

[real prawn]

Alright, I'll try 3400. Worst case I just reset CMOS, right?

[sudden torrent]

Yep

[real prawn]

coolio

[sudden torrent]

Voltage is the only thing that will kill it and that range is around 1.5v so you're safe

[real prawn]

So 3400 with 1700 FLCK reboot a few times and reset to 2133 with CR 2.

3200 seems to have applied correctly. Should I try to adjust things or just test with 3200?

[sudden torrent]

Try increasing cas to 18 at 3400 and see if it boots, 18-20-20-40

[real prawn]

Same thing. Hard crashed twice, reset to 2133

[sudden torrent]

Dang. Doesn't like that clearly. Try 3333

[real prawn]

3333, CL18, fabric 1667?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[real prawn]

took 3333

[sudden torrent]

ok test that for 30 minutes

[real prawn]

So still testing. Zero errors so far.

Is it possible it just doesn't like 3400 if it took 3333 so quickly? So maybe some value above 3400 could still work?

I'm just wondering how it checks and fails to apply 3400. Is there an error test that fails because of the frequency, or is it some sort of compatibility thing?

[sudden torrent]

It might just be a bad bin that doesn't want to go above 3333 without really loose timings

[dull ginkgo]

If it's running too fast, it will make errors.

Could try looser cl18 at 3400 to test, like 18-22-22-42

[real prawn]

Is there a point where too loose timings would make it worse? As I understand from the table for CAS latency on Wikipedia, frequency usually is more effective for access latency than timings, right?

[dull ginkgo]

It's, well, tradeoffs(timings and freq). Right now, were just testing what's stable, the performance of each config can be tested later.

[sudden torrent]

Yes and no, fclk is more important usually. You want to get the frequency up first then do timings

[dull ginkgo]

Lots of factors go into performance, too many for sane people to really calculate for ram

[real prawn]

I see. But frequency and the main 4 CAS numbers are a good base to start with?

[lavish tundra]

yes

[dull ginkgo]

It's the primary timings, only the first one, tCl, is called cas latency, but yes.

Assuming fabric clock is kept stock at 1:1 that is

[real prawn]

alright, ran for 30m with no errors. Should I try the looser 3400?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[real prawn]

3400 18-22-22-42 did not work. 2x hard crash before post, reset to 2133

[sudden torrent]

Ok looks like a bad bin to me. We'll do 3333 and tighten the timings

[real prawn]

Okay. So 3333 18-20-20-40 was very stable. How should I tighten it?

[sudden torrent]

Start with cas 16

[real prawn]

16-20-20-40?

[sudden torrent]

Yes the rest the same

[real prawn]

Okay, that booted. Will test

I remembered that I still have a PageFile setup. Does that matter for this?

[sudden torrent]

No

[real prawn]

3333, 16-20-20-40 seems stable. No errors

[sudden torrent]

Try 16-18-18-36

[real prawn]

Those timings applied. Will test

[real prawn]

16-18-18-36 worked well, no errors

[real prawn]

should I tighten them some more? Like 16-17-17-34?

[sterile flame]

16-17-17-35

whats tRFC?

[real prawn]

Currently 584T, but it's set to Auto

[sterile flame]

if you can tighten to 16-17-17-35 tighten tRFC next

If not, still tighten tRFC

[real prawn]

If I have it set to auto in the BIOS and it's currently at 584, what should I change it to?

Or what is the process to follow to change it?

16-17-17-35 applied, but I noticed Fal was typing, lol. Should I change something?

I didn't touch tRFC yet

[sudden torrent]

Try 417 to start

[real prawn]

Should I apply that now, or after I test 16-17-17-35 first?

[sudden torrent]

Try it now

[real prawn]

I noticed there's also tRFC2 (434) and tRFC4 (267), should I touch these, or leave them auto?

[sudden torrent]

They should go down on their own but you can manually change them, 417-310-190

[sterile flame]

tried 1.35v for fun

lmfao

only ran that for like 10 seconds

[sudden torrent]

🔥

[real prawn]

16-17-17-35 with 417-310-190 worked, testing now

Threw 1 error within a minute and then blue screened

[sudden torrent]

Set timings back to 16-18-18 and test again

[real prawn]

with the same tRFC of 417?

[sudden torrent]

yes

[real prawn]

It applied. This will be my last test for the night. I'll update if it errors or in about 30 minutes

threw 5 errors and then bsod

So the tRFC is too tight?

Do the tRFC values have any math/multiple associated with them? For example, I saw that tRC should apparently be no lower than tRP + tRAS

Thanks for the help today. I'll probably be back on in about 10-11 hours. Excited to see how this affects performance even without trying PBO.

[open surge]

Hei, I am having my CPU clocked at 4GHz (with MSI OC Genie) and being stress tested with prime95. It ramped up to 77°C with a Hyper 212 EVO, should I be worried and avoid trying to clock my CPU up to 4.3 GHz ?

[zenith palm]

what cpu? some older cpus cant get as hot as the new ones

[open surge]

CF my nickname

4690K

[zenith palm]

oh right just looks like a bunch of numbers ngl kinda hard to read

[zenith palm]

ohh wait nvm

thats just toms hardware

[open surge]

Toms hardware not reliable ?

[zenith palm]

ppl are saying it throttles at 80

[zenith palm]

yes but thats their forums so not toms hardware themselves

[open surge]

Okay, so I can forget about OCing higher than 4GHz I guess

[zenith palm]

guess so unless you upgrade the cooler

[open surge]

Which was not in my plans D':

[zenith palm]

i guessed lol

[tall pelican]

you should be able to see that throttling and tjmax temps are set to in bios

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/cpu/intel 1.35v and 85c

[open surge]

Those are my numbers.

Wait a min

Prime95 stopped

And it did not tell me anything

[tall pelican]

expand the msi z87-g43 tab

[tall pelican]

yeah, you have a lot of voltage headroom

[open surge]

What do you mean ?
Can I go higher in VoltaJ ?
Or does OC Genie allocate too much ?

[tall pelican]

first off, use bios to overclock, not software

software is asking for a bug to happen and it yeet 1.5v+

(yes that is a thing and is a common occurrence with clock tuner for ryzen)

[open surge]

Okay, but I am running on a 4690K, it is a bit older than ryzen

And I did not know it was possible OCing through software instead of BIOS.

Would you have a CPU stress test software that takes less time to go through, by any chance ?

[tall pelican]

just because its older doesnt mean software cant be buggy

OC Genie is software, no?

and occt large is fairly quick

[open surge]

I meant higher-level software. Like one you might run through Windaube.

[open surge]

I will try this one then, thank you.

[real prawn]

Last night, I reset the tRFC back to auto (from 417 to 584) and just tested 3333 with 16-17-17-35 and just let it run. No errors whatsoever.

I wonder if I should try a tRFC number (and maybe tRC?) that isn't as aggressive?

Though maybe at this point I can move onto PBO?

[open surge]

Does OCCT stress the CPU that much ? I put a 4.2GHz clockspeed to my CPU with a VCore of 1.2 and I only got 65°C maximum reported temperature after 9/60 minutes of testing (65°C being for core 1 and 2, 0 is at 64°C and core 3 at 61°C).

[proven canopy]

Sounds normal

How many watts

[open surge]

78

Currently 75.5

[proven canopy]

Does that chip have avx2

[sterile flame]

according to newegg, yeah

[open surge]

When I ran HWINFO before (on a 4GHz clockspeed) it ramped up to 74-ish °C (1.15-ish VCore).

And I do not know what avx2 is.

[open surge]

Hm hm.

D'ac

[proven canopy]

Try out the different occt stress test configs

[open surge]

I feel dumb rn.

[proven canopy]

Linpack is a popular cpu and memory test

[open surge]

What is displayed by OCCT.

[proven canopy]

Can catch errors due to heat that the normal avx2 memory test can't

[open surge]

Okay, it also says something like "Puts priority on CPU stress rather than error detection".

Tests usually begin with 1h base duration. But is it safe to lower that amount of time for next tests (like 10 minutes) ?

The first CPU test I ran lasted 1h, and I made a 10min one right after the previous one ended...did not notice any difference.

OUCH

LINPACK says 80°C maximum

The CPU exceeded 110W, is that fine ?

[proven canopy]

ya

[open surge]

Would the computer yell if anything was to go wrong ? (Like the CPU frying eggs)

[proven canopy]

It'd probably blue screen

[open surge]

Like insulting me or my mom/

Oh

[dull ginkgo]

In terms of too hot, it'll just throttle

[proven canopy]

Unless you start really upping vcore, probably won't hit thermal throttle temps

You kinda have to try to hurt the chip

Idk what board - but possible the vrm can't handle it, unlikely though

Especially with that chip

[dull ginkgo]

4690k does seem kinda weak

(heat output wise)

[open surge]

Most say 1.3VCore is the maximum "recommended", I am at 1.2.

[open surge]

A chance I am not running it on stock cooler I guess ?

It looks like Hawaii.

Even during covid, I can travel. No need for a 300€ plane bill for that.

BTW, you do not get to speak ill of my proco ❤️ 💻

[dull ginkgo]

wat

[open surge]

this, that is "what".

[dull ginkgo]

@proven canopy Do you know how listed tcase relates to tjmax? (Since Intel lists 72.72c as tcase for 4690k, but tcase is just ihs temp, not temp measured by sensors afaik)

[real prawn]

I'm not sure about 4th gen, but I had a 3570k (Ivy Bridge) at 4.8 Ghz. With a 1st gen Corsair H100i (240mm) and Corsair's SP120 fans, it usually stayed below 85C. I can't remember the voltage though.

[proven canopy]

what kind of question is that

Sounds like you answered it in the same line

[dull ginkgo]

words are hard
I want to check current temps with tjmax
except I don't know tjmax, only give tcase
I want to know if I could calculate tjmax from tcase

[proven canopy]

What do you mean you want to check current temps?

[dull ginkgo]

Temperature reading from sensors

aka, are they currently throttling or not

[proven canopy]

Just look if clocks go down, lol, at least on this platform, ryzen is different

See der8auers video running a ryzen with no cooler

[dull ginkgo]

wack

@proven canopy so is the answer tjmax can't be computed from tcase?

[proven canopy]

Idk, I assume tjmax is just one of intel's specs, idk if that means it's the throttle temp

I've seen chips with really low tjmax's so I assume it's for 24/7 365 10+ year longevity rating

[dull ginkgo]

hm

[open surge]

One of my cores went to 83°C, which now shows me why lowering tests to 10minutes long ones is probably not a rich idea.

[dull ginkgo]

I thought tjmax was throttling because, well, that's how it works on this chip

currently throttling

[open surge]

TJMAX 3°C OUH

Linpack uses GPU memory too ?!

And 63%

OUH²

[dull ginkgo]

well, was throttling

[open surge]

Is the game performance gain proportional to the extra clockspeed ?

[dull ginkgo]

ehhhhhhh

maybe

software is not nice

[proven canopy]

https://www.twitch.tv/unityoc
Unity's 12h stream - Overclocking Livestream #100 - Celebration Stream! Giveaways, Special Guest and Comet Lake LN2

[dull ginkgo]

is there cake?

[open surge]

Like, am I right to expect the same performance improvement from going from 4GHz to 4.2GHz than I might get when going from 3.8 to 4 ?

[dull ginkgo]

eh

I'm guessing no

[open surge]

😭

[real prawn]

So far this memory overclock has improved the encode time from 641.87s to 629.25s. Not a ton, but if I were to apply that to a 25 hour encode, saves 30 minutes.

Unless I can do more for memory, I think I'll move to PBO on my 3950X

[radiant turret]

.

[real prawn]

I didn't know this guide existed. that's pretty cool

https://www.github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/tree/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[real prawn]

Hey, uhh, so 3400 didn't post at all yesterday... but... 3600 posted...

So far no errors. I wonder if next I should try to push it even further than 3600. I know my 3950X doesn't really like any FLCK frequency higher than 1866

[real prawn]

30 minutes and no errors at 3600 Mhz. God damn that's awesome. I still can't decide if I want to push it further or pull the timings down now.

I guess I'll just save this as a profile, then push the frequency up til it can't anymore. Worst case, I could go back to 3600 Mhz, pull the timings, then test to see which is faster.

3733 Mhz booted...

[real prawn]

3800 Mhz seems stable enough for me to play with it. I saved 3733 18-22-22-42, as well as where I was with 3333 16-17-17-35.

I'll start to pull timings on 3800 Mhz and see how it likes it.

I just can't believe that 3000 Mhz RAM is even able to run at 3800 Mhz. That's just insane to me.

Btw, thanks guys for getting me addicted to memory overclocking. 😂

[real prawn]

Moved on to tRFC.

tRFC at 260ns had no errors, but blue screened on shutdown. tRFC at 270ns had an error.

I bumped the voltage from 1.42V to 1.45V and set it to 280ns

Though, knowing that previously I had issues with my 3950X at 1900 FLCK, even if it was desynced with the ram, I have a feeling that 3800 Mhz might be asking too much.

In accordance with that guide I found, I haven't even lowered the primary timings yet. Still at 18-22-22-42

So if tRFC 280ns fails, I will probably go back to 3733. Or if I can't get the primaries below 18-20-20-40

well actually, the guide says to do CAS first, so if 17 doesn't work then I'll go back to 3733

[lavish tundra]

youre welcome

[lavish tundra]

whats the primaries for the 3600mhz profile?

@real prawn

because faster isnt always better

when it comes to ram oc

[open surge]

Question here : How am I supposed to determine whether I can raise CPU clockspeed from 4.2 to 4.3 GHz without changing my VCore (that is currently at 1.2) or not ?

They say not having enough VCore can prevent the PC from booting up.

[open surge]

HEEEEEUUU...My CPU is @ 4.3GHz-1.125 Volts (it bluescreened on start at 1.1 Volts.), but the task manager says it is 5-ish GHz, the hell am I looking at ?