overclocking

[steady lance]

I want Gigabyte to remove this damned 1.65v VDD limit.

It is infuriating

[alpine mantle]

gonna undervolt the igpu, feeling bored

[short blade]

1.65 vdd limit

but why

[steady lance]

I wish to know this. I can't use my old ram profile or go for tCL 24 because of it.

[alpine mantle]

ok, undervolting the igpu straight up breaks the pc

[steady lance]

Needs further testing to make sure it is 100% stable but so far I am at these settings for the 9070xt Mercury Magnetic OC on the latest drivers with the blessing/curse that is to aggressively of a core boost algorithm:

• 3.3Ghz boost / 3.26 Effective (-150 core)

• -140mv undervolt (-150 was very stable but 160 had occasional timeouts so I backed off)

• 2.85Ghz VRAM with Fast Timings

• +10% PL.

@alpine mantle @calm grail @dim vale @short blade @uneven knot @fervent talon @modern walrus @abstract merlin @acoustic crane

[short blade]

bro got a mailing list

[steady lance]

Lmao yes, everyone I remember who has dabbled in OC in this server.

I was testing using Fortnite, Minecraft with RTX Shaders, 10m adrenaline run, and lots and lots of light streams going on and off.

[short blade]

-140 is crazy I can only do -60

even in 3dmark I can only do -125

[steady lance]

I limited the clock so it wasn't trying to hit 3.45Ghz at stock with the new bios.

[short blade]

idek yet if -60 is stable it just hasn't crashed yet

yeah I'm at -250 core

doesn't matter the crashes happen at low clocks

had crashes at -65 at 1600~2800mhz

[steady lance]

The latest drivers for the 9070xt has a way more aggressive boost algorithm that was causing my games to crash because my GPU kept trying to boost to 3.45Ghz (stock max frequency set by AMD) in games with all stock settings.

[short blade]

I wonder if my gpu has a new vbios too

maybe I can finally stop underclocking my monitor

[steady lance]

This was frustrating the hell out of me till I found out what was going on though I am happy as now I am taking advantage of it.

[short blade]

my 9070xt is straight up incompatible with 1440p 165hz

maximum it can handle is 154hz

[steady lance]

I am boosting to and maintaining 3.25-3.3Ghz in games.

[steady lance]

Weird.

How do you even set 154hz???

[short blade]

custom resolution

165hz periodically disconnects and reconnects in both windows and linux

[steady lance]

Just a hunch but I am guessing it is an issue in the Display/HDMI port.

[short blade]

idk it happens on all of them

[dim vale]

KEEP SPENDIN' MOST OUR LIVES, LIVIN' IN THE GAMER'S PARADISE

[short blade]

not a monitor issue either i ran this monitor for 5 years at 1440p165 no problem

[steady lance]

Doesn't all the ports go through a shared connection before reaching the GPU's main PCB?

[steady lance]

I am confused.

[short blade]

doesn't look like there's a new vbios for my card

[dim vale]

cool beans

[short blade]

there's a newer bios on techpowerup that's unverified...

[steady lance]

Mine auto updated

[short blade]

gpu vbios auto updating is a thing?

[steady lance]

Oh wait your talking about bios

I am talking about the driver's my bad.

[short blade]

i'm on latest drivers too

[steady lance]

Corrected my statement.

[short blade]

didn't notice much change in anything

idk i've come to accept that my 9070xt is stuck at lower refresh rate

[steady lance]

Strange for my card and a few folks in the OC server, our GPUs have a 200-300mhz increase in boost clock due to the new driver.

[short blade]

i'm not the only one with this problem with the card

[steady lance]

It's causing our GPUs to boost higher than it should in the given load.

Hence the reduced frequency cap I placed.

[short blade]

idk im playing cyberpunk pt and it's choking along at like 2750mhz just like before

[steady lance]

Interesting.

[steady lance]

Mine went from 3-3.1 up to trying to boost 3.4-3.45 in games

Specifically Marvel Rivals and Fortnite.

[alpine mantle]

i forgot how aggressive you undervolt that card, though its one of the higher binned chips. I still suggest testing that stellar blade demo opening cutscene atleast 5 times, if it can run that fine it can run any game

because its the most sensitive to undervolting

for 9070/xt ofc

[steady lance]

Aight will do

[steady lance]

@alpine mantle just boot the game and enter the main menu or start up a new game once in?

Well -100mv with -150 core worked just fine both loading into the menu and the story mode opening cutscenes

[alpine mantle]

Start up a new game

Opening cutscene finishes into playable state
Go back to the main menu
Start a new game
Repeat 4 more times

[steady lance]

gotcha. So -125 mv wasn't stable but -100mv worked without issue.

I will try the inbetween later.

[alpine mantle]

That's good

[steady lance]

I feel the game tried to show off the character's assets a bit to much with the pod exit lmao.

[alpine mantle]

Yea... The devs really wanted to be spicy with that one 😅

[steady lance]

I think -110 is doable. Will confirm later after an assortment of games.

[steady lance]

Interesting so fortnite/rivals has issues in Adrenaline with the gpu set to default but if I set to custom without messing with anything the issue with the random crashes goes away. @alpine mantle

Lmao @alpine mantle @short blade @wise quartz 4.051Ghz on the 9070xt.

I upped the PL, set a positive core override, and removed the uv

[short blade]

neweggservice 💀

[steady lance]

also

It seems the crashing issue at stock only happens on the Default profile in Adrenaline for me. Leaving everything stock on the Custom is not having issues

[steady lance]

I wish that were stabke

Interesting, there are some really strange voltage sweet spots for the 9070xt when doing UV. At -45 I am boosting 3.3ghz but at -50 I boost 3.6ghz. At -75 I am boosting 3.4ghz.

3.6Ghz seems stable.

[alpine mantle]

thats just a cpu now

[steady lance]

seems my highest stable in light loads is 3.75ghz

with +10% PL

[alpine mantle]

insanely high boosts

[steady lance]

I was boosting 2.9Ghz in Stellar opening scens is that good or bad?

[alpine mantle]

that seems about in range its good

[steady lance]

How far do you think I can push the UV at 3.75 fMAX before driver issue?

[alpine mantle]

honestly depends whether the silicon can handle that

so i have no clue lol

[steady lance]

Welp -100 only made it halfway

gonna try -80

[alpine mantle]

if it can do -80mv its still good because realistically these cards become unstable after -40mv

some users can't even go above -20mv

[steady lance]

Yikes I had no idea

[steady lance]

I though I got a fairly average sample for a bit.

[alpine mantle]

i feel like you have one of the better ones, i doubt its "average"

[steady lance]

welp -60 failed and just to confirm I ran the +300 core with 0 uv and it passed. max boost peaked at 3.12Ghz going to try -40 now.

[alpine mantle]

This is on stellar blade or?

[steady lance]

Stellar Blade, Story-Mode opening scenes till exit of pod

[alpine mantle]

Ah ok

That game is super hard to run when these cards are undervolted

I just use it to set a global profile and leave it knowing that any other game I run will be stable

You can set per game profiles if you don't like the outcome, it's fine

[steady lance]

seems annoying switching proffiles manually for each game.

@alpine mantle -40mv with +300 core survived.

[alpine mantle]

That's how I felt lol

Anyways imma be off for a bit as I gotta take an exam in a couple minutes

Brb

[steady lance]

So it seems I can:

1. Run stock clocks (boosts 300mhz lower) with -110mv

2. +300 core with -40mv

the gpu boosted to 3.711ghz in the opening scene and crashed....

[alpine mantle]

Back, and also lol the game will not work with those insane clockspeeds

[steady lance]

true that

also it seems even with a negative boost clock, the stable voltage doesn't really change much which is interesting.

+300, stock, and -150 core all had a stable voltage within like 10mv

[alpine mantle]

I managed to achieve a slightly higher UV (from-40mv > -45mv) just by adjusting the frequency slider to -350mhz on stellar blade. Freq limit from 3450mhz to 3100mhz. Not too bad

and power is saved when there are lighter loads because the card already hits the max clock

[steady lance]

the scaling is horrible for you as well I see.

[alpine mantle]

yes lol

[steady lance]

Seems -45mv is the stable clock for me in Stellar at +300

[alpine mantle]

interesting...

can you push -50mv?

[steady lance]

also I noticed, if I am in HWinfo instead of the game directly with the game fully visible on my main monitor the game's boost clocks go from 2ghz to around 2.7ghz average. Not sure why that is but I am able to replicate it consistently

if I remain in the game the whole time during the test, I can get -100mv to pass due to the significantly lower clocks.

[alpine mantle]

👀

I'd stick to the higher undervolt + lower clocks and the reason is that with more complex workloads, the gpu will have much lower clockspeeds because its thirsting for power, with the aggressive UV its able to boost much higher than running the higher clocked + low uv profile

the +300mhz tune will likely not be met in those complex scenarios

i think the best way to see that is trying out furmark

you'll see that -100mv + lower freq will have higher clocks than -45mv + 300

[steady lance]

Yeah this plays out the same in Marvel Rivals

Rivals I was able to hit 3.25Ghz with -100mv and stock clock vs 3.15Ghz with -45mv and +250.

@alpine mantle

[alpine mantle]

yep

[steady lance]

Seems in a moderate load like Vulkan Memtest I peak at about 3.3Ghz so I might cap my frequency to that and see how far I can undervolt.

Damn I am still seeing VRAM scaling at 2.95Ghz

[steady lance]

Worth keeping in mind as we both saw, the negative clock vs improved aggressive undervolt scaling is horrid.

[alpine mantle]

it is, thats why i never really liked how undervolting works on radeon cards past RDNA 2

[steady lance]

RDNA2 is 6000 series correct?

[alpine mantle]

yes

[steady lance]

@alpine mantle welp, 2.975ghz vram black screened

So I guess 2.95 is my highest stable (still scaled)

Averaged 624 GB/s in Vulkan Memtest.

Gonna run furmark2 while I cook

Averaging 2.935Ghz rn in furmark QHD

Correction 2.7ghz

[steady lance]

looks pretty stable

[steady lance]

Anyway to push this card (XFX 9070xt Mercury Magnetic OC) further while being stable?

I am at:

• +10% PL

• +250 core

• -45uv (Stellar can't survive past this)

• 2.95Ghz VRAM @ Fast Timings

• Aggressive fan curve.

[steady lance]

Welp rivals crashed when the game decided to boost to 3.7ghz

[short blade]

we went from -145 to -45?

sounds like you should just drop the positive core offset for a better uv

[steady lance]

-145 was not game stable. I was experimenting and as @alpine mantle said and has been proven, the Stellar Blade Opening Scenes are extremely sensitive to UV which I think is significantly affected by the constant low to high gpu usage in those scenes.

[alpine mantle]

Did another run today and it seems that I have found my card's proper limit. -50mv @ -480mhz offset (2970mhz max clock) + 2746mhz (fast timing) after stress testing stellar blade.

in some games the card won't hit 304w all the time which is good

saved it as the final daily tune

time to game

[steady lance]

-480???

Wait so going from stock clock to -480 on core only netted a -5mv gain?

[alpine mantle]

Yea lmao

[steady lance]

That's horrible!!!

Yikes.

[alpine mantle]

its honestly not bad

still runs within spec

[steady lance]

I mean the scaling.

I think I am gonna stick with +150 core and -45mv because the higher core target causes the GPU to try and boost more aggressively and I was hitting 3.3-3.4Ghz in Fortnite.

[alpine mantle]

Oh that, it's bad fr

[steady lance]

I ran Furmark2 at 1x1 res for an hour and GPU core hotspot maxed out at 79-80c hotspot. Is that good or bad while pulling ~400w?

[alpine mantle]

NGL furmark is a power virus no matter what you do

It's the prime95 of gpus so it's completely unrealistic

[steady lance]

Fair enough. My GPU core hotspot is like 62c during gaming.

[alpine mantle]

That's really good

Shows that the heat is dissipating rather well

[steady lance]

I have a really potentially stupid idea

What if I remove the magnetic fans and strap 3 P12 Pro fans to the GPU intake?

100rpm less but significantly larger fan

[alpine mantle]

I don't think that's necessary

You can always adjust the fan curve

[steady lance]

I agree I am more so curious if temps would improve.

[steady lance]

Mine is set to hit 100% at 70c.

[alpine mantle]

i keep mines running at 50% max

because it gets very loud after 50

[steady lance]

I see. Mine because it has no bearings just sounds like a loud gust of wind at 100%

[alpine mantle]

just did a run on wukong with my current profile (LEFT: -480mhz -50mv 2746mhz ft)
and compared it against another (RIGHT: +0mhz -40mv 2746mhz ft)

[steady lance]

So it's very pleasant.

[steady lance]

You lost 1-3 fps!

xD

[alpine mantle]

feel like thats almost within margin of error

granted the right picture was done on the second run

that can raise minimums

avg fps still in spec

look at this for reference

[steady lance]

Compared to stock I am currently at 130fps average vs 109fps.

[alpine mantle]

nice

[steady lance]

Once I fully tune the ram the frames should reach about 140 then it's time to finish he CPU tune.

[steady lance]

Mercury ftw.

Trying to squeeze this GPU, SFX PSU, and two 360 rads into a 30L case design is a pita.

I am still working on the case project.

The airlines restrict the primary carry-on size to XYZ 35cm22cm56cm

Which makes it really hard to make a case where hot air isn't being fed to the other components.

[steady lance]

@alpine mantle 3.45ghz in FN

[alpine mantle]

speed

[steady lance]

3.39 effective

[steady lance]

@alpine mantle seems the GPU is stable at +150 core and -40uv. I was playing Siege and boosting 3.5Ghz.

also on a side topic

Do you have any experience with Custom Loops?

[alpine mantle]

no

[modern walrus]

I think the only time I ever got a notification about vBIOS updates was from EVGA Precision X1 for my 3080ti or something. Otherwise, never lol

[modern walrus]

ngl, the only AMD GPU I've ever used is my HD7970 lol

[steady lance]

@wooden vigil
#general-chat message

Regarding your question, while there is limited info regarding Samsung Dies for overclocking on DDR5 what I can say is that, Jedec spec is within 1.65v VDD voltage so I would stay within that range. Also I recommend having a active fan cooling the ram past 1.5v VDD.

[wooden vigil]

I'll try 1.42 then

[steady lance]

Do these in order is my suggestion on AM5,
H = higher better
L = lower better

• Fast Boot/ Memory Context Restore = Disabled

• Power Down Mode = Disabled

• Frequency (H)

• tCL (L)

• tRFC (L)

• tREFI (H)

From there do the remaining Tertiary then Secondary then Primary timings.

If you're feeling adventurous and want to increase bandwidth, do fCLK after setting frequency and tCL, just set it as high as it goes while being stable. Check for Error Correction by using something like VT3 that displays performance in a easy to read and consistent manner.

[latent wave]

ram oc done!

[steady lance]

I am quite confused. You opted for less then 6000mhz on what appears to be a 6000mhz G.Skill kit of ram?

[latent wave]

Expo was not stable and 6000 ran too hot

[steady lance]

SFF?

[latent wave]

Antec flux pro

[steady lance]

Now I am super confused. how was it overheating in that case?

[latent wave]

I think it’s just in a dead spot not getting enough airflow. It’s blocked by GPU from the bottom and nvme from the front

[steady lance]

can you send a picture? I am quite curious.

an easy fix is to add a 120 or larger fan blasting directly at the ram.

[steady lance]

I recommend adding a fan facing parallel to the board so air is fed to the ram before it gets vented up top to the AIO.

Also is that a Lightning GPU or?

[latent wave]

i would if i didnt move so often

and its a liquid soc

[steady lance]

Could use the L-Brackets on amazon for a secure mount

[steady lance]

@modern walrus how much rad do you think I need to keep the fluid at ambient with P12 Pro fans at 100% with 900w of heat? I am thinking of using two 45mm thick 360 rads

[tame field]

Was doing some overclocking and my pc crashed where have i gone wrong ryzen 7 3700x

[steady lance]

Don't use the Smart Tuners

Those are meant for getting stablish results meant for benching only

[dawn crag]

i did some overclocking today

doubled the core clock of my calculator

😎

[steady lance]

Cool. If I may ask, what intrigued you to do so?

[dawn crag]

i wanted to integrate faster

its now 50% faster for integration

which will not be useful much 😂 people seem to think it'll make my calculator unstable but im yet to encounter problems

we'll see

[alpine mantle]

Did another tune that doesn't push vram clocks but instead made it's timings tighter, i also increased the undervolt slightly. and the results are satisfactory!

Left: stock (304w)
Right: Custom tune (258w)

no reduction in performance!

[red terrace]

i used 1x 360 for 800w, 2x 360 should be plenty

[steady lance]

Interesting, how were your temps?

I am looking at acquiring two TT CLD360 radiators which are 40mm thick and have a FPI of 25.

[red terrace]

it was 700w all from one GPU the rest from other system stuff. so naturally very very high hotspots. but that was more due to thermal conductivity than the water. once it reached temp it was only a bit warmer than starting cold, but it was noticeable for benchmark stability

i run 2x 360 now

[steady lance]

Gotcha. My goal is to keep my CPU (280w) and GPU (400w) happy with plans to grab a 90 tier card next gen.

@red terrace if you have some time today, I'd like to get some input on what layouts I should go for to keep the CPU, GPU, and RAM happy while keeping a small footprint.

[steady lance]

How I look forward to this channel being active again....

[red terrace]

i'll be delidding my 270k... eventually

that will be interesting i hope

i also need to rebuild my loop, the CPU block i have is defective. performs like shit

[calm grail]

Ok I've done some stuff with my parts but my brain isn't so fried that I would ever try delidding a chip

[steady lance]

I am quite interested in how this goes. What block do you plan to use for it?

[red terrace]

it's an LGA1700 EK quantum direct die block. it's compatible with LGA1851 and i found it unopened on ebay for $50

i have a three day weekend coming up so if i'm not just sleeping for 48 hours that's probably what i'll be up to

[steady lance]

Damn that's cheap.

[steady lance]

Lmao I know the feeling. I have been working ~16 hours a day on each work day till passing out from Friday, Monday, Tues, Wednes, and this Morning.

Designing a front and backend website for a client.

[uneven ermine]

hah

first

:D

[dapper hound]

@sterile flame nice feedback

[sand halo]

Oh

@sterile flame

[wise quartz]

[sterile flame]

[uneven ermine]

[dapper hound]

[uneven ermine]

we have single handedly converted this channel into intel emoji spam

[sand halo]

🗡

[subtle forge]

the z390 dark looks good

[uneven ermine]

>

>

[sterile flame]

I have to scroll so far to see this. Guess I'll get a bigger monitor

[old magnet]

YAYYYYYY

NEW CHANNEL

[median cosmos]

I'm gonna have to use this soon

[old magnet]

is it worth overclocking a 2600x if its hitting 4.1 ghz at idle and 3.9 while gaming?

[uneven ermine]

nope

[neon rapids]

ayy

[sterile flame]

https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

[neon rapids]

worth putting a better cooler on 2600x? Would it help with higher clock speeds?

[sterile flame]

For noise? Sure.

[neon rapids]

any performance boost?

[sterile flame]

Not a ton.

[old magnet]

I might put a dark rock 4 pro on my 2600x

[near garnet]

hey is there a dongle for sround sound 3.5mm jack?

[sterile flame]

Go for it, that'll be dead silent.

[manic helm]

wait, when did this happen

overclock everything, I overclocked my old router once. MOAR POWAH!!!!

[sterile flame]

I'm here

[old magnet]

@sterile flame my 2600x gets to 1.4 volts when it hits 4.1 ghz

[sterile flame]

Using PBO?

[old magnet]

what

i got it using hwinfo64?

[sterile flame]

Is your overclock manual or is it boosting by itself

[old magnet]

manual, xmp

no not manual lol, just xmp

booted my ram up to its base clock speeds

[sterile flame]

It's fine then if that's its stock boost

[frozen sluice]

I enabled XMP on my corsair vengeance 3600 and it set it at 3500 O.o not sure why

Although, before I turned XMP on it was at 2433

Anyone know some stable settings to use with 3900x for memory?

[sterile flame]

What's your bclk?

2433 isnt one of the jedec profiles. So it seems there's something going on

[frozen sluice]

Maybe I remembered it wrong, but still not sure why XMP is setting it to 3500 instead of 3600

[sterile flame]

Apply xmp then just set the frequency manually to 3600. It should probably work.

[frozen sluice]

@sterile flame Forgot to come here and let you know that I did that and it did work. I didnt realize in bios 3600 is 36.00 until I started doing some more research.

[sterile flame]

nice, I'm glad to hear bro

[sterile flame]

I've never oc'ed a cpu. I'm getting an old gigabyte p55, xeon x3440. Looking to do a safe overclock as to not fry the cpu (i don't plan on delidding). What is your guy's suggestions? 3.6ghz? I'll be using a good air cooler. What numbers should I put in/voltages? Do i need change ram speeds too? I also opted for a decent cheap thermaltake 600w psu to have extra power

[median cosmos]

so, haven't deep dived in OCing for a year, but the question isn't exactly as straight forward as you might think. Depends on a lot of little factors. The easiest answer is you kinda gotta find out. Keep cranking it up little by little, run the usual stress tests like prime95, and see if it's stable. Once your temps are getting higher than you're comfortable with, or the system stops being stable, you're too far

can't give you example numbers though, maybe someone else can chime in

[sterile flame]

thank u. I've never done this and don't really know what all those options are for this yet. I've just watched a youtube video lol. I don't want to adjust something and leave an option wrong ,etc. Sounds like i need to do more research on my part too

[median cosmos]

watching a video is easiest, as long as you don't change anything too drastically at once, it's really hard to mess things up permanently

[sterile flame]

I was thinking of just copying what the youtuber did, but i dont think i want to go that high on oc

ah alright

i guess worst case i burn up a cpu one day and buy another one for $15 lol

[median cosmos]

you'll have to change some of the cpu voltages, and the motherboard voltages, you might even find exact values to try if you google how to OC your particular cpu and motherboard

[sterile flame]

sounds good

[median cosmos]

you shouldn't have to change actual DRAM channel voltages if you're not ocing ram

[sterile flame]

Ah alright. Wasn't sure if the cpu oc would change something with the fsb and need ram timing/ etc change

[median cosmos]

the easiest way is to find one guide, see the values they change, and of course try it, and if it doesn't work, just tweak those same voltages

fsb voltage usually is changed

but there's multiple ways to do it too, you can spend days locked in your room experimenting if you're that interested, I was back then lol

[sterile flame]

alright. sounds like i also have a good cheap system to practice on lol

[median cosmos]

you can raise the fsb and lower the clock, or raise the clock and lower the fsb

I think those are the two that are multiplied... don't quote me, watch those videos lol

[sterile flame]

yeah ill definitely watch some more vids before trying

[median cosmos]

but some setups are more stable one way over the other, even though sometimes the actual numbers come out the same in both setups

[sterile flame]

oh ok, i gotcha

[old magnet]

so im overclocking my 2600x with ryzen master, i have two cores at 4100 and the others are higher but hwinfo64 is reporting that the two lower ones are at 3.4 ghz?

[manic helm]

Depending on how you have ryzen master setup it will either apply the clock to all cores or you have to set each core individually

if you are using precision boost it will only boost 1 or 2 cores above a certain speed most of the time.

so single core load will hit 4.1ghz, two core might hit 4.0 or 4.1, if you load all 6 cores sometimes you will get 1 or 2 cores that still boost high and then the others stay lower, or sometimes all the cores will drop down to the same. If you run something like cinebench r20 you will see what I am talking about. that will load all cores to 100% and you will probably drop down to something like 3.6-3.9ghz depending on the temperature and power limits.

usually its the EDC limit that is holding you back if its a power limit. Ryzen master should allow you to increase the EDC limit and then it might clock higher.

@old magnet

[old magnet]

i set them all manually, 4.1 to two, then i stopped at 4.2 for the others, it automatically downclocked the 4.1 ones

[old magnet]

@manic helm

[manic helm]

@old magnet I have been busy, sorry about that.

[old magnet]

no worries

[manic helm]

If you manually set the clock speed it shouldnt be downclocking them

[old magnet]

i know, thats why im confused

[manic helm]

I havn't played with overclocking in ryzen master a ton, but its possible that if the overclock failed that it downclocked those cores back to stock

[old magnet]

but it was stable?

if i leave them all at 4.1 it works, but as soon as i raise a couple a few mhz higher it pulls back

thermals are totally ok

[manic helm]

what is the power limit at the top showing

[old magnet]

ppt. tdc, or edc?

[manic helm]

if any of them are showing near the limit then it might downclock, but I think with a manual clock it ignores those setting

let me turn on my other computer and I can look. I dont use ryzen master on my x570/2700x

[old magnet]

it should, edc is around 90% at idle

out of 125 where the limit is 168

want me to monitor that while i oc it?

[manic helm]

if you can that would be good. if edc hits 100% it will downclock

[old magnet]

ok hold on

[manic helm]

with precision boost, again I dont know about manual overclock since I have never tried that outside the bios on my 2600

[manic helm]

its gonna take a while, I guess I dont even have ryzen master downloaded on that system anymore

[old magnet]

what do you mean

[manic helm]

I have to download it and install it

I did a fresh install of windows 10 a few weeks ago on that system and forgot that I never installed it.

[old magnet]

nice lol

no worries

[manic helm]

but from your picture its ignoring the limits

thats why there is nothing underneath them

which is what I thought

[old magnet]

yeah thats what i thought but then i still dont know why it doesnt stay at 4.1

[manic helm]

once thing I can say is when doing per core overclocking, its better to try and keep all the cores on a CCX at the same speed

[old magnet]

ugh then it tops at 4.25

[manic helm]

but since you have them set at 4.25 those 2 cores wont go past 4.1ghz?

[old magnet]

no they drop back to 3.4

[manic helm]

but they are showing 3.4 in hwinfo

ok, just clarifying

[old magnet]

yeah, the other four can go further but not those two

im fine leaving them at 4.1, i want to top out the others as well but those two wont stay lol

does that make sense?

[manic helm]

I have seen it happen before where if one ccx had a core that wouldnt overclock that it would pull all the cores in that ccx down to the stock clocks, but never 1 core on each ccx

[old magnet]

yeah. and the stock for 2600x is 3.6 right?

[manic helm]

might be.

[old magnet]

thats what it says 🤔

[manic helm]

ya, its 3.6

have you tried running it with pbo and xfr enabled

[old magnet]

just xmp enabled, honestly dont know how to do the other two

[manic helm]

thats easy

[old magnet]

lol, bios?

[manic helm]

ya

[old magnet]

i couldnt find them?

i looked the other day

[manic helm]

its kind of hidden

[old magnet]

of course it is

could you direct me to where i should look?

[manic helm]

ya, let me pull up my bios on the x470. I have been using my x570 and its layout is different

[old magnet]

oh ok. gigabyte?

[manic helm]

dont want to tell you the wrong thing if my memory is wrong

[old magnet]

right lol

i really appreciate this

[manic helm]

The first thing you need to do, is make sure that under the M.I.T. tab, and then under advanced cpu core settings that core performance boost is set to auto

[old magnet]

ok

[manic helm]

then under peripherals, you should see amd cbs

ohh snap

looks like they removed the setting in the new bios

[old magnet]

Crap

[manic helm]

let me look and see if they moved it elsewhere

im a dummy

this is my 2600, it doesnt have xfr

ok, so lets try it from memory

[old magnet]

I see the xfr enhancement section

[manic helm]

are you in the bios now

yes you need that

[old magnet]

Ok

[manic helm]

when you open it, it should give you a warning

[old magnet]

Im in it now

Haha yup

It says auto

[manic helm]

set it to enabled

and thats it

[old magnet]

Thats it?

[manic helm]

yup

[old magnet]

Alright lets see if this works

[manic helm]

now hopefully ryzen master doesnt try and take over

but you can launch ryzen master and it will show the limits. and if you open the precision boost part of ryzen master you should be able to increase the edc limit if it is limiting you

[old magnet]

nope

still downclocks

[manic helm]

you have to disable the manual overclock in ryzen master

[old magnet]

dont i want to manually do it though?

[manic helm]

see what precision boost and xfr can do first. my 2700x performs better when left with those than I can get manually overclocking

[old magnet]

Ok lemme see

i was getting that before

hmm

[manic helm]

click on the precision boost tab and increase the edc

[old magnet]

what would be a safe value?

[manic helm]

you should be good going all the way to 168, but you can start lower if you want

right now you are limiting at 125amps, going to 168 should give you some headroom

[old magnet]

i did it, its locking itself at 4.175

edc at 71%

4.15 too

[manic helm]

whats the temperature under load

[old magnet]

prime95?

or idle

[manic helm]

prime or cinebench

stock cooler?

[old magnet]

drp4

cinebench temp maxed at 69

[manic helm]

oh ya, i remember you saying you installed that

[old magnet]

clock speed at the end was 3.975

[manic helm]

thats probably all its going to get then with precision boost

[old magnet]

sounds good. thank you!

it was hitting 90s with ppt and tdc, but i dont think thats a problem

[manic helm]

manual overclocking might not get you much more that what you had it at earlier, just need to figure out what is with those cores

[old magnet]

yeah

[manic helm]

some 2600x's were great and would get up to around 4.3ghz

[old magnet]

geez

[manic helm]

most get 4.1 to 4.2

[old magnet]

sweet sweet.

[manic helm]

my 2600non x will do 4.1, but it takes a lot of voltage to get there

[old magnet]

how much?

[manic helm]

1.4v

[old magnet]

right now mine is pumping 1.46

[manic helm]

with llc it will stay around 1.41 volts

under load

[old magnet]

gotcha. but this high at idle is ok?

[manic helm]

with precision boost it will run higher

but when its idling it should drop down

core clocks should drop and voltage should drop

[old magnet]

Under load its staying at 1.4v

Little under

[manic helm]

thats normal if you havn't played around in the bios with llc or dynamic offsets

[old magnet]

Cool

[manic helm]

you might even see a spike to 1.5 for a few seconds

right when it goes under load it will spike then it will drop back down

[old magnet]

gotcha

[manic helm]

you can play around more with manual overclocks if you want and you might get higher

[old magnet]

i might

i dont want to overvolt though, that scares me

[manic helm]

thats part of the reason I dont manually overclock my 2700x. besides the fact that the performance was practically the same under all core load, the less than 4 core boost was higher than I could manually overclock all the cores to and single and dual core loads will go up to 4.4ghz which is great for some games. most I could manually get my 2700x to do all core was 4.2.

[old magnet]

i mean i dont need my cpu to be overclocked, i just wanted to learn.

with intel it will be different though

[manic helm]

but with the precision boost, and using a negative offset voltage in the bios it idles at .7v at 2.1ghz rather than 4.2ghz at 1.4v all the time

[old magnet]

hmmm

[manic helm]

I am all for learning. I have been at this for years and its still fun for me to learn everything when a new platform comes out.

[old magnet]

yeah i really enjoy this stuff

[manic helm]

ryzen master is a safe way to learn, but just remember that it will always override whatever you have setup in the bios

[old magnet]

ok good to know.

should i wait a bit to learn how to oc ram?

[manic helm]

test the settings before you set them to boot next time

[old magnet]

what do you mean

[manic helm]

don't setup ryzen master to apply a profile at startup unless you know it works. if you overclock too far it might just make windows keep crashing everytime you launch ryzen master

[old magnet]

eesh

[manic helm]

thats always been a risk with any windows based overclocking tool

but if you push a bios overclock too far you might not even get the board to POST, so it has its risks as well

[old magnet]

true

[manic helm]

if you are using precision boost, you can try upping the bclk a bit, but if you are using an m.2 drive be careful since some of them dont like bclk overclocks and can corrupt the data on the drive

[old magnet]

ryzen master doesnt even work until i accept it and give it permissions when i boot, is that enough?

bclk?

[manic helm]

bus clock

100mhz by default, usually runs around 100.4

some people will increase the bclk when using precision boost to get a higher clock

[old magnet]

where is that setting??

sorry im really new to this but i do appreciate your help

[manic helm]

your core speed is the core multiplier x bus clock. so 42x100 is 4.2ghz

[old magnet]

oh ok gotcha

[manic helm]

going up to something like 102 or 103 is usually fairly safe with m.2 drives

[old magnet]

ok. where do i change that exactly? im not seeing it on ryzen, do i need to go to the bios?

[manic helm]

might not be in ryzen master

so yes in the bios

[old magnet]

ok

[manic helm]

so if for example precision boost wants to clock at 4150 it will call for a 41.5 multiplier. if base clock is 102 it would be 41.5x102=4233mhz

I was able to push my first 2700x to 4450mhz with bclk on all cores

[old magnet]

Hmmm

[manic helm]

my new one wont do that

[old magnet]

Cpu clock control is locked?

[manic helm]

you need to set it to manual

or might be called normal

use page up and page down on the keyboard

[old magnet]

Are certain nvme drives better at this than others?

[manic helm]

unless that is a locked feature. But I dont think it is.

[old magnet]

No i got it to change

[manic helm]

yes, but its a risk going over 102 or 103

[old magnet]

Ok. I have a 970 evo plus

Imma stay at 102

[manic helm]

I have an aorus rgb nvme that was good up to about 109 before it had problems, I have an intel nvme drive that will completely corrupt itself in about 5 minutes at anything over 103

and if this goes beyond the stability of your cpu it might crash, so be prepared for that

like windows might crash

[old magnet]

Now its running slower

1.425

[manic helm]

that happens sometimes also

[old magnet]

Then i changed it back to auto and it wont go back up😂

[manic helm]

let me know if you cant get it back to normal

[manic helm]

might have to ping me, but I will probably be asleep soon

[old magnet]

It won't go back up. @manic helm

Instead of 4.175 its 4.125

[manic helm]

did you set the bclk back to auto

[old magnet]

Yeah it wouldnt go up.

[manic helm]

sometimes the settings under the amd cbs menu will reset and the xfr enhancement resets. That will cause the clocks to drop by 50mhz

or if temps are too high, or you are hitting one of the power limits it will lose that extra 50mhz as well

[old magnet]

hmm.

ok

[old magnet]

Anyone willing to help me oc my ram?

[fallow bison]

I have not much experience with overclocking

But I can help

[old magnet]

I got my gpu and cpu, i wanna screw with the ram now, but this seems to be more difficult

Got a blue screen and its not loading😂

[fallow bison]

Oof what did you overclock it to

[old magnet]

Cpu hovers around 4.2 gpu is around 2.04 to 2.055 ghz

Ram i got to 3195

Stock is 3000

But i wonder if i can change cas too

[frozen sluice]

@old magnet you have to slowly bump down your timings for the RAM

and bump the voltage up a little

[old magnet]

what about the frequency? do i touch that?

which timings? cas?

[frozen sluice]

Where are you trying to get with the freq?

[old magnet]

3200, im there now

just a bit over

i dunno if i should push that or lower timings or both

[frozen sluice]

So leave it where it's at if thats where your want it. Now adjust timings down 1 at a time like what is stock timing for your ram? mine is 18-19-19-19-42 and I have it down to 15-15-15-15-38

You will know when you get too low when it doesn't boot

if it doesn't boot bump them back to the last setting it booted at

[old magnet]

that help? dont get the jdec stuff

[frozen sluice]

assuming you have XMP enabled your numbers are the XMP

[old magnet]

i disabled it

should i keep it enabled and then change it from there?

[frozen sluice]

Yes

I watched a bunch of youtube honestly to figure out how to safely overclock the memory

[old magnet]

Ok will do

[frozen sluice]

I can keep helping I don't mind

[fallow bison]

I leave my stuff stock I would rather get 3600 memory then overclock 3400

[frozen sluice]

I honestly didn't notice much of a difference with mine overclocked to just being set to the XMP profile

[fallow bison]

Yeah I like my stuff stock

[frozen sluice]

I left it at 3600 but dropped the timings

only difference it made that I could notice was running a memory bench

gave maybe 2 fps in superposition

if that

[fallow bison]

Yeah and I am worried I am gonna break something

[frozen sluice]

Memory is the more resilient hardware to overclock compared to cpu's and gpu's

which I overclocked both of mine just to see where I could get on my watercooling then put them back to stock

[fallow bison]

Gpu is easy to overclock

[frozen sluice]

Yea it was

[fallow bison]

I can overclock everything tho

[frozen sluice]

and I have the warranty from microcenter that covers overclocking but still not trying to push it

[fallow bison]

Yeah

[old magnet]

so i broke it, and it wont go back into the main bios, just keeps booting into the backup

thanks @frozen sluice

[fallow bison]

R u being sarcastic @old magnet

[old magnet]

no

i meant thank you, and i literally cant get back into the mian bios lol

[fallow bison]

But why are you thanking when you are unsuccessful

[old magnet]

i meant thank you for helping

because hes trying

[fallow bison]

Oh sorry

[old magnet]

No worries

[frozen sluice]

What mobo are you using?

[frozen sluice]

@old magnet Did you get it figured out?

[old magnet]

Aorus pro wifi b450

No, cant change cas from 16 to 15

Frequency is at 32something

How do it calculate the latency?

@frozen sluice

do i*

[frozen sluice]

Did you get back into bios? and what do you mean?

[old magnet]

yeah i got back into it

[frozen sluice]

I guess I should have already asked this but what cpu are you using?

[old magnet]

2600x

[frozen sluice]

So ryzen 2000's are super finicky about messing with the memory

and true latency is figured by multiplying clock cycle by number of clock cycles

[old magnet]

of course they are lol. i got the memory speed to just under 3200

which bothers me but whatever lol

my ram is rated to 3000 cl16

[frozen sluice]

is it showing like 3199?

[old magnet]

3157

[frozen sluice]

hm weird

[old magnet]

its because of the bclk

its at 103 mhz

which boosted my cpu up too

[frozen sluice]

show me a snip it of your cpu z now

[old magnet]

memory or sdp

[frozen sluice]

memory

[old magnet]

spd*

[frozen sluice]

guess I should have said both but I can just ask what is the voltage under the xmp on the spd tab now

[frozen sluice]

dang still 1.35 which to me is kinda high

[old magnet]

xmp did that

[frozen sluice]

yeah but what I am getting at is 1.35 should be plenty to lower your timings

[old magnet]

i cant even drop the 16 to 15

[frozen sluice]

and to get you to 3200

[old magnet]

it crashes

[frozen sluice]

did you only drop one of them or did your drop it like 15 19 19 38

[old magnet]

just cas

[frozen sluice]

that's probably why

[old magnet]

oh, what should i change then? lol

[frozen sluice]

You have the same bios screen as me so you know where it has advanced memory setting and then timings?

[old magnet]

yes

[frozen sluice]

Go in there and drop each timing thats under the top header by one

[frozen sluice]

kinda blurry xD

[old magnet]

Yeah sorry

The standard timing control?

[frozen sluice]

Yes

where it shows auto you click there and change each one down one

if it wont boot it's gotta be because of how finicky the ryzen 2000's are

[old magnet]

Ok, so 15,19,19,19,37

Ok

[frozen sluice]

Yeah

Good thing about Gigabyte is if it doesn't like your settings it will just either boot back to bios or boot to second bios then you just gotta reboot until it goes back to 1st bios

[old magnet]

yeah for real, super nice

[frozen sluice]

Just noticed something did you just change the freq? instead of the multiplier?

[old magnet]

it worked, but cas still says 16 but the bios says 15

[frozen sluice]

Go back to bios and set freq to auto and change the multiplier to 32.00

and not sure why cpuz is saying cas 16 if bios is showing 15

[old magnet]

It turned off, then my pc turns on, then off, then on and off again lol

[frozen sluice]

after which change?

the multiplier?

What memory are you using?

[old magnet]

Yeah when i turned it to 32

8gb corsair vengeance white

Cl16

Now bios says it is at 32 but its reading as 1994 mhz😂

It doesnt want to go higher

Lpx vengeance*

[frozen sluice]

yeah it does not like 3200 lol

[old magnet]

No not at all😂

[frozen sluice]

and thats good memory that likes being overclocked

what the highest memory speed the mobo is rated to

[old magnet]

I have no idea

[frozen sluice]

I'll go look up the mobo real quick

aw thats why its rated for 3200

so if you change the multiplier and it puts it above it the mobo doesn't like it

[old magnet]

Frequency is fine at 31.33

Uggghhjh

[frozen sluice]

Well leave the frequency alone i guess and work on timings now

[old magnet]

Works for me. Just keep dropping them by one?

[frozen sluice]

keep bumping them down by 1 until it doesn't like it

then bump them back to the last setting it liked lol

[old magnet]

Yup lol

[frozen sluice]

oh also bit of other advice is I did that and started having games like Forza crash on me and had to bump my timings up one more so my higher end games wouldn't crash

[old magnet]

Yeah i had to do that with my gpu

Assassin's creed didn't like my clock lol

[frozen sluice]

I was getting mad at the games then realized after 3 different games crashed after about 5 minutes of play that maybe it was my fault lol

[old magnet]

😂😂😂😂

Same, it took me a second

Welp. It won't go down any further😂

[frozen sluice]

okay leave cas the same and bump the middle numbers down by 1

[old magnet]

Ok

[frozen sluice]

I spent a whole day playing with my memory so I got pretty good and figuring it out

[old magnet]

Nice

Nope. That broke it too

[frozen sluice]

dang its gotta be the mobo or ryzen 2000

[old magnet]

Yeah, is the ram good enough to oc? Are you sureM

?*

[frozen sluice]

Yeah

[old magnet]

Well, i have my mobo prepped for a 3600x when i get one, if that doesnt work i can just buy a x570

[frozen sluice]

I have the vengeance pro but saw a lot of information LPX

[old magnet]

What do you mean?

[frozen sluice]

on LPX*

like when I was researching about overclocking memory and which ones like OC'ing

[old magnet]

Sweet.

Lucky me 😂

[frozen sluice]

So you should be good with that memory when you get the 3600x

[old magnet]

Sounds good. Should i get a new mobo as well?

I know this is good for ocing the 3600x but what about the memory

[frozen sluice]

you will be stuck at where you're at frequency wise on that mobo

They have decent budget friendly x570's

[old magnet]

Yeah.

Thanks again!

[frozen sluice]

You're welcome and I just did a little searching and found that stable overclock is about 3333MHz ofc once you have a new mobo

oh and that's at 1.37v

[old magnet]

Cool, good to know.

Of course it varies per stick but sweet

[frozen sluice]

Also says that 1.4v with your mem is safe

Off to play some games

[old magnet]

Alright man, have a good one!

[sterile flame]

Love how majority in here who want to oc are amd users 😂😂

Knowing they need that extra performance power

[dapper hound]

[sterile flame]

I'm going to try for a 10,000 for #1 in 2500k + 2080 ti time spy. Just for fun.
https://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode=advanced&url=/proxycon/ajax/search2/cpugpu/spy/P/1199/1209/500000?minScore=0&cpuName=Intel Core i5-2500K Processor&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti&gpuCount=1

[iron wasp]

dang I could barely break 10,000 with my 8700k + 1080 ti

[sterile flame]

I realized I only have 8GB stick of ddr3 1600. I doubt I'll get 10k, 9600 would be nice though.

[sterile flame]

Got it anyway https://www.3dmark.com/spy/8259236

[iron wasp]

nice

[manic helm]

that moment when your gpu has more ram than system ram. 😄

[sterile flame]

@manic helm I think a highest fps as shown by fraps in minecraft would be a fun competition. If so, any ideas for rules?

[manic helm]

first you would have to define minecraft, which is a conundrum itself since it will make somebody angry. Are we talking Java or Bedrock.

[sterile flame]

Java PC current version, I was thinking of keeping it casual.

[sterile flame]

https://benchmate.org/ Kinda like ninite?

[sterile flame]

would it be safe to overclock my GeForce GT 730 (its a potato : P only gets 1-5 frames on MSI Kombustor)

[manic helm]

if its anything like my gt620 it will overclock really well

I think they are basically the same part, just rebadged

I can run my gt620 at 850/900

the stock clocks were somewhere around 600 for both core and ram

[sterile flame]

so to overclock do i up the core clock?

[manic helm]

ya, up the core clock, run some benchmarks like time spy to figure out if its stable. once you find the max core clock you can start increasing the memory clock. the memory may cause it to freeze if you go too far, but sometimes it just causes graphical glitches. once you find your max clocks back off myabe 10-20mhz on each and it should be stable. Its a really low power card so it doesnt really get hot.

[sterile flame]

ok would MSI Kombustor be ok to test with?

[sterile flame]

D15 cooler for now, maybe chiller cpu/gpu loop soon.
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/19696895

[sterile flame]

you know bout that condensation proofing?

Yes haha, dewpoint isn't too hard to calculate though, could always just chill to a few C above ambient.

just don't want you to dave your computer

you should mod the chiller and go for a sealed chill box + silica beads imo

EVGA might beat me there, E-leet is bugged for memory voltage >1.45V, had to re-flash

Something like that, plenty of options. Winter will be fun, could hang a rad outside haha.

[sterile flame]

[sterile flame]

https://puu.sh/EaYRc/a47a0de161.png

👍 nice dude

[sterile flame]

Air conditioner
https://hwbot.org/submission/4228157

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/19721504

https://puu.sh/EblSz/fe88fd0fec.png

[old magnet]

Gaming x vs aorus pro for overclocking?

[sterile flame]

For a motherboard?

[arctic cairn]

Hey I have ryzen 1600 with stock cooler at 1.35v 3.8 ghz but my temps are idle 60 and 90 under load would a cosair h60 fix the heat ,can get one for like 30 to 40 buck s

[old magnet]

youd lower your temps, but you wouldnt get much more performance, if any

[iron wasp]

120 mm AiO don't really help much with cooling, I'd suggest a beefy air cooler instead if you want best bang for your buck

[languid tapir]

A solid air cooler will do an amazing job.

[neon rapids]

^

[sterile flame]

All of my above pics were with a Noctua D15, I'd test the DR4 pro, but it doesn't fit on the z390 dark. I need to clean off the corrosion/gunk from using Conductonaut between the 7700k ihs and D15.

[iron wasp]

I had no idea that the D15 has better motherboard clearance than the DR4 pro

also is it really worth it using LM between ihs and the cpu cooler?

I delidded my 8700k and put cunductonaut there, and that was definitely worth it, but I still used normal paste on top of ihs

[sterile flame]

I would not use LM on top of the IHS - only nets a few C under good paste there.
Ya, people go either way for TIM choice under the ihs, I used conductonaut too, happy results with 7700k.

[sterile flame]

Lol, got a #1 geekbench 5 score before the big boys show up.
https://puu.sh/EcOV8/d66a8773e0.png

[manic helm]

I didn't even know there was a new geekbench out

I am falling behind

[sterile flame]

I'm like 10th place now, tbh idk what it scores best responding to, but I wrecked the cuda score with 186k

Need to fix my vbios.. and two of the regular bios's

[manic helm]

for some reason I cant even get the browser to let me login after I get a score. If it go to the website in firefox or chrome I can login, but after the test finishes and it opens in a browser it just keeps giving me invalid username or password

do you have to buy it to upload

but I get 1117 single core and 7295 multi with a stock 2700x

[sterile flame]

Open the browser to which you want to submit first

[manic helm]

I did, and I made sure I was logged in. then it opened a new tab with the score but that tab wasn't logged in and wont let me log in.

I can go back over to the other tab and log out and log back in. even did it manually to make sure I remembered the password and it worked. Went back to the tab with the score and get the invalid username or password.

either way, my poor cpu is getting crushed

[sterile flame]

Testing what I can run ring ratio at under daily voltages.
https://puu.sh/Edz1l/64033f3662.png

[elfin mesa]

Hey guys my msi gaming tro 2070 super will be here in a few days is it worth oc

[manic helm]

wonder why the ring on the 9th gen has to be run so much slower than the core speed.

Or did I just get a crazy 6600k that can run 1:1 ring ratio

I see a lot of people not being able to get their 9900k ring stable beyond 4.3 or 4.4

[sterile flame]

Out of curiosity I played around with 43:43 haha. I'll try it with 20:20 and 4000MHz since that's 20:20:20 just for fun lol

[short otter]

Is 1.42 volts too high for a 8600k

[sterile flame]

For daily? Most will say yes.

[short otter]

I get 5.2 GHz stable if I do 1.42

Hits 88° which I'm okay with. Just wondering if 1.42 is dangerous

[manic helm]

I was able to run my ring ratio all the way up to 48. The few benches I tried at 4.9+ghz I dropped my ring to 46 just to be sure it wasnt causing instability

[sterile flame]

That makes sense. Remember vcore as seen by cpu-z / hwinfo64 / realtemp is only the mobo's best guess. Higher end boards tend to be more accurate.

[short otter]

I have a z370 a pro which I think is a meh board for overclocking

It's no 390 series

[sterile flame]

When testing vcore/temp under load, always record the package power or whatever the best measurement you have for CPU wattage.

Probably identical to it's z390 version aside from wifi and usb 3.0 gen 2

[short otter]

My cpu wattage hits 118 watts

Is that too high for full load?

It only hits 105 at 5.0 so It doesn't seem abnormal to be hitting 118 at 5.2

[manic helm]

that seems kind of low, or maybe I am just too used to my 2700x pulling higher watts

I dont remember what my intel build does

[short otter]

My tdp for my chip is like 90 I think. 118 under overclocking doesn't seem too bad.

Your default tdp is 105

Yours uses 15 more watts at stock

[manic helm]

tdp is not the same as watts

[short otter]

Is that how much power it draws?

It's power rating?

[manic helm]

no thats more like a rating for how much heat it produces I think

so a 105 watt cpu will usually draw something like 140 or 150W

[sterile flame]

Define what you're using to load it

[manic helm]

its watts of heat, rather than power consumption

[sterile flame]

prime 95 small fft with avx on will cook most "high" CPU overclocks - including my own - since it's far from what daily use will need.

Remember that "small" FFT's goal is to avoid cache misses outside of L2, I think the default setting plugs in settings for you, but may be worth checking if results are unexpected.

All of your wattage, temp, clock numbers so far seem fine to me - within ballpark

[short otter]

That's good.

Imma probably downclocks back to 1.28 volts at 5 GHz. 1.42 kinda scares me a little

I didn't it more because I wanted to see how high the chip would go.

[sterile flame]

TDP is near meaningless, basically ignore it and read reviews about the chips power and heat characteristics instead. Some chips have a TDP that's pretty spot on, others like the 9900k's claim of 95W are far off.

To Intel's credit, 95W is accurate if the chip is run completely at default settings including short/long term power limits and defaults duration for both.

[sterile flame]

lmao

[old magnet]

1.43 scares me, should i offset it down a couple hundred mhz?

[glad halo]

can i oc this ram to 3800, 16-16-16-32 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232856?Item=N82E16820232856&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2Fproduct%2FMFdrxr%2Fgskill-trident-z-neo-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c14d-16gtzn&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-DgfYNtOHdlOkKuzHgCGqpA

[neon rapids]

probably with a little higher volts

[sterile flame]

What kit at 1.43V

The high end Neo kits are literally the same Samsung IC's in 3200c14, 3600c16, etc b-die but cranked to 1.5V to hit 3800c14 etc

I daily 1.5V for https://puu.sh/EegO9/0a5a2c3434.png

[glad halo]

Would it be possible for you to explain the whole b-die being the same in 3200 and 3600, and is it the same in other frequencies?

[sterile flame]

I have neo's i bought them not aware that they are specifically for zen2 while i have a zen plus threadripper. They still work great. These aren't b die tho. Most def hynux running 16 18 18 18 38 Stable thru memtest at 3400 at 1.45 volts. Havent bothered to fine tune the volts. I think it may turn out to be a good choice for 64 GB so as the Hynux won't be as stress ful on the IMC as the b dies wood for High quantity ram.

I think what he means tho schiz is that 3200 and 3600 are close enough to eachother to achieve the same timings depending on how good your IMC is and if you can give more volts. From my experrience 3600 can most definitley achieve cl 14

No it's not the same for other frequencies. If you have an amazing bin from a good part of the wafer like mentioned you might eek out 3800 or a tiny bit higher with some memory training, at cl 14. but once you hit 4k you are likely needing cl 15 or cl16. You will need cl 17 for 4266 and cl 18 for 4500 and beyond. cl 19 is pointless if you know what you are doing. It always depends on the bin, and how much training you put the IMC thru.

16 18 18 38 XMP = looks like Hynix CJR to me

you know it

the xmp is 16 19 19 19 39 tho. That's because its made to push big clocks on zen 2 i fine tuned it to cl 16 as it wouldn't work 3600 on TR Plus

If anyone is using a 2950x and is into Ram OC and fine tuning Memory let me know what you think the best RAM to use is

@ Nuclear Nachos#9402

2950x + RAM OC is an odd niche, why?

[left blade]

Davey#2121 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sterile flame]

Actually, given this is the overclocking text channel, that was a dumb question on my part lol

not looking for big balls oc just looking to fine tune as best as possible

I'm just used to giving practical advice to those who don't remotely do this as a hobby haha

@sterile flame Same here 100%

with tightest timings. If i buy another kit of quad channel neos and it won't boot at 3400 cl 16 because of the added ram. I'll need to look into b die

I used to overclock RAM like mad

3200c14 is what you want I'd bet

Yeah def Pro darks

4x8, or 8x8

Sure, but if you really want to tweak, you should get an A1 or A0 PCB kit instead

thing is by the time i'm at 64 GB the IMC might be stressed out to where it doesn't really make a difference if i have B die or Hynux

definitley

Both of those are extreme, but you get the idea

i mean. what's the highest clocks and lowest latencies people are stabling on 2950x?

and yes those are very extreme

No idea, I'd ping nuclear but he's offline

4800 c14 is almost unbeleivable but i've done 4266 cl 12 so i see it

What kit on what platform did you run 4266 c12? what subtimings

pro darks on z390

apex motherboard

12 12 12 28 Sub zero cooling

trfc was at like 540

Is that the dancop 32m profile?

:0

you ,know

Yes 🙂

That motherboard is by far the best motherboard

for a 9900k or 8700k

Not by far 🙂

which one did you think is a close second?

the giga?

i tested it against the dark

the dark is a piece of garbage

Why didn't you like your dark?

really bad memory OC and advertised to be the best

Sounds like the error is between keyboard and chair 🙂

[left blade]

Davey#2121 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sterile flame]

the apex beat the piss out of it

bad memory overclocking and advertised well

good vc ore tho

apex vcore still won

ii have a freind who found the same results

Which bios were you using on the dark? 10.03?

This was about 4 months ago i do not remember.

I also dislike EVGA BIos

I have two apex's and the dark btw haha, I actually do like the asus bios better

but you know it's different for everyone, i had 2 apexes and the vrms were not the same.

Ahahahahaha you have two apexes as well

i literally did the SAME thing

was wierd one of my apexe's vrms was weaker than the other

Which apex's did you have, both m9a here

oh mine were z390s

yorus looks like the z370s right?

The M11 has 16 x IR 3555 I think

No, z270, one is coffee modded, uses the z370 M10A bios + 9th gen microcode edited in

oh nice

Got a hwbot?

I used to yeah

let me see if it still exists

i might have gotten rid of it cuz i wanted to get out of OC.

That's why i bought this threadripper

i'm loving it

You had two M11A's and they had different VRM? How?

Dude it was so weird

XI apex is a teamed 8 phase with 16 IR3555 ya

everything else was consistant

same variables but one vrm would droop VCCIO/VCCSA and VDIMM

which i LOVED

never had a motherboard to droop those and that's very safe

What bios

but the other one didn't and overvolted which was typical of my other boards

I don't remember but they both were the same bios that's for sure

Meaningless to interpret those observations without recording bios, ensuring it wasn't corrupted etc

both vcore's performed identically so now that mention it i should have recorded bios

What vcore settings

1.295 5.3 ghz sub zero cooling

Did you ever set VCCIO to Auto

No way

And run 4000MHz memory

Oh

actually probably yeah

yep

i thought you meant like for what i'd test with

Yeah it screwed up one of the memory channels on that board and had to return it. but the good board was Extremely good and like i said Just dumped all over the z390 dark

vccio/vccsa when set to auto will >1.4V for >4000MHz memory on tons of boards

Well that shouldn't break anything but you are right it can decalibrate the power delivery as to overvolt instead of undervolting like it should

The dark is far more technical to use vs the Apex especially in bios

IME

it definitley had it's advantages

very on point voltage control but my experiences was it was slightly weaker in v core and the memory OC was poor comparitively

Eh, between the two, it really depends which bios on each board you're comparing

There have been big changes in bios releases even in the last two months

i supposed i could have been more thorough but I just trust asus these days

Quality control is so great and my zenith gives EXACT voltage, no droop no sag for SOC and Vcore and VDIMM

which zenith again?

alpha extreme i'm using stock bios right now because i'm still with the NEO ram and the latest is a little fucky

What led you to buy the CJR for the TR? I'm curious what's in it, wanna run a userbench?

was an accident haha this is my first AMD system and it was advertised as (For AMD) i'm going to use it to my advantage though being that it's a looser timing config and i want 64 gb it will be a good way to see if the IMC can handle all dimms being filled while retaining my cl16 at 3400

if i have 64 GB at 3400 cl 16 that's pretty solid. IT will be tough to do cl 14 with 64 gb on b die i think

then again this isn't my final cooling scenario so anything is subject to change.

It's not bad stuff iirc for the price

yup hynux is def reliable

Just has looser subtimings vs b-die and can't tighten/clock as well vs more $$ b-die ofc

I'd go micron rev E for TR I think, easier on the IMC

totally if i didn't get fooled by the advertisement i would have bought pro darks

Ahh can i get up to 3800 on this chip

?

that's what i want

Nothing super special about the pro darks, the 3200 14-14-14-31 kit you mean?

they aren't super special but they are just so easy to OC
and they are b die

and cheap

and yeah that one

That's pretty nuts best i got was 4800 cl 16

gaming was Ill

that was on the apex

on my phantom gaming itx/ac i had 4500 16 and that was full memtest stable

it could have done the same but on 2 more cores from my interpretation

Direct die is a big jump, lapping and de-lidding - repasting the 9900k is most of the gains

Direct die can give worse performance if not done well

You know it. Most people aren't doing that so they don't know how good the 9900k is. If you get a good bin, which i had and go direct die. it's a chunk better than 8th gen. SImply the silicon is higher quality.

a

5.6 ghz on all 8 cores is possible with -15 C temps

but the 8700k is so easy to delid, and you don't go direct die because the 6 cores is cooler than 8 so you get high results much easier. it makes the 9th gen chip look bad when it's actually better silicon

i wish intel didn't put STIM on the 9900k then it would be so easy to deal with

Eh, I'm actually glad they soldered the 9900k. 99% of overclocking enthusiasts still get "good enough" performance and don't have to de-lid like the 8700k, while the really serious folks are committed enough to de-lid anyway

True but when youu are that 1 percent it sucks

i'd rather just get the new 10 core when it comes out anyway

that's going to be very impressive

I guess, but if you're in that 1%, you're used to having to go to extreme measures to hit the clocks/temps that only matter for made up internet points anyway.

Yeah i ended up getting out of the hobby before i used the stim removal

i was just done with that platform

onto bigger and better things

like threadripper

i need lanes

I want to go x299, a used dark is about $215, much bigger community for support vs the z390 dark from what I can see online. I've only been on the board for a week or two, still learning the ropes.

There are some quirks to the bios that were super frustrating until I just read the manual / watched some tutorials by the pro's then I was like ... oh

if you can get used parts do it but price performanc efor x299 is whack

and then overclocking big requires liquid cooling VRMs for a lot of boards

and only 44 lanes ticks me off

I'd go 7980xe de-lid probably

you'll get 5.1 ghz on a good bin if you liquid cool your VRMs too

sub zero the CPU and liquid the Vrms

that's the way to go

Ya, would definitely water loop + chiller for ambient, then do all the prep for sub-ambient if I wanted

simply one rad for those vrms to keep them warm but not out of spec

Both dark boards have a very similar vrm

oh the dark board actually

doesn't need liquid cooling

it's the only one because of that fan

but you might want to do it anyway if you are going to sub zero the CPU and try to get like 5.2

or something gnarly

huh

The fan is on the PCH

there's a small fan in the VRM

on the x299 dark

and it's a very good heat sink

ohh

I forgot those tiny dual 40mm's

every other x299 board has poor coooing and intel screwed up the spec

yeah

Anyway, the x299 dark has the same VRM - nearly as the z390 dark, 12 doubled ISL99 something

That particular power stage just has a good design with regards to conducting heat from its core to the surface very well

I can run my z390 dark without a heatsink completely

Yes you can

that's one thing i really like about the dark

you can rip the sink off and get great cooling

Well, it's convenient for LN2, sub 0 etc when dealing with condensation

yup