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sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 1:42 AM

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Well that does impact how low tRFC can go so it's good to find out

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FCLK 2133 will be ideal for you at 6400

abstract wedge Dec 31, 2024, 2:44 AM

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cant u just figure out a/m die from cpuz spd tab

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look at manu date

kind walrus Dec 31, 2024, 2:45 AM

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Ye or try booting via frequency

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Post high, A, post low, M

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 3:26 AM

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abstract wedge look at manu date

Not really foolproof. It's almost as fast to save your profile, reset bios to defaults, and try to run 7800 too.

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 5:56 AM

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@sudden torrent 4.5 hours no issues with Y-Cruncher VST3.

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Just got back home

abstract wedge Dec 31, 2024, 6:35 AM

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sudden torrent Not really foolproof. It's almost as fast to save your profile, reset bios to de...

fair enuf

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 6:45 AM

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I can't seem to find tCWL.

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 6:47 AM

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If it's not in the main overclocking menu you can find it in the advanced AMD Overclocking menu

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Run a search

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 6:49 AM

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sudden torrent If it's not in the main overclocking menu you can find it in the advanced AMD Ov...

No luck in the search

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Is tCWL locked maybe?

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 6:51 AM

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Don't worry about it then

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Auto seems to have it set correctly as is

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 6:52 AM

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So just configure tCL then move onto FCLK? @sudden torrent

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 6:52 AM

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Sure

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 6:53 AM

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I hope 28 works

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@sudden torrent it posted!

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 6:55 AM

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I'll bet it did, but did you lose any performance?

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Run VT3 again and see, it was really stable at 1.46 before

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 6:56 AM

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sudden torrent Run VT3 again and see, it was really stable at 1.46 before

1.46?

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 6:56 AM

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1.46*10^10 b/s

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Can be simplified to 1.46e^10

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 6:59 AM

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Is 1.46e the number that Y-C wad calculating?

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 6:59 AM

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That's the speed at which it was calculating, which is heavily influenced by RAM

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 7:00 AM

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Ohhh okay

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Is 1.46 good or average for the time it takes to calculate something?

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 7:01 AM

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It's decent for your CPU

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 7:02 AM

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sudden torrent It's decent for your CPU

So if the time changes from 1.46 to something like say 1.53 that means I have performance regression from the lowered tCL?

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Also it just finished the first test at 1.41 * (10^10)

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 7:08 AM

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1.53 would be a massive improvement

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1.41 is regression

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 7:17 AM

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Well f

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Ok

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So cl28 caused regression

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steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 8:03 AM

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Tried tCL 26 just for the fun of it. It did not post.

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Trying tCL 30 now.

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tCL 30 has shown even more performance regression than tCL 28.

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@sudden torrent do I use the same test for FCLK?

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Also I haven't tried honing in tRFC fully yet. Should I just keep lowering it as much as I can without temps hitting over 60c and no errors?

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Trying tCL 34 just in case to see if maybe my performance was regressing at the xmp of 32.

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34 is definitely much slower.

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Decided to let tCL32 have a few runs

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It seems to have stabilized at 1.45

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I am going to try the 7800 post test.

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 9:04 AM

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FCLK 2,133 posted.

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I am currently testing performance uplift in Y-C (VST3).

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 9:25 AM

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@sudden torrent I am stable at 1.49 with occasional drops to 1.48 with FCLK at 2133

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 9:33 AM

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steady lance <@396513761550270464> do I use the same test for FCLK?

Yes, while also watching for whea errors in hwinfo

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 9:35 AM

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sudden torrent Yes, while also watching for whea errors in hwinfo

Gotcha. I didn't notice any but I will keep my eyes out for them

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Also @sudden torrent is 1.46 to 1.49 a good improvement?

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 9:36 AM

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Yep, as long as it's not going backwards it's an improvement

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If you want to test to be sure you can do fclk 2100 and see the result

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 9:38 AM

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sudden torrent If you want to test to be sure you can do fclk 2100 and see the result

For performance regression?

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FCLK 2,200 does not seem to post.

Also 7800 all auto and UCLK/2 did not post @sudden torrent

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 9:54 AM

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Sounds like you have M die then

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2200 no post is no surprise

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 9:58 AM

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sudden torrent Sounds like you have M die then

tRFC so far hasn't posted at 300. Tried 200 and 250 already.

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 10:00 AM

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sudden torrent Sounds like you have M die then

Is M die good or bad?

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tRFC 400 posted.

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 11:38 AM

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Going to bed.

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I will leave Y-Ctuncher VST3 Profile running over night.

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Btw I am now solidly scoring 1.49 in VST3.

sudden torrent Dec 31, 2024, 6:15 PM

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steady lance Is M die good or bad?

It's good but not as good as A

steady lance Dec 31, 2024, 7:54 PM

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sudden torrent It's good but not as good as A

8.3 Hours stable at 1.48-1.49. No Whea errors.

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Anything else I can do to speed up my ram?

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I am gonna run it through PCBdestroyer as well now while I am away.

steady lance Jan 1, 2025, 1:03 AM

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Passed 2 rounds of PCBdestroyer

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max temperature of 45c.

steady lance Jan 1, 2025, 1:28 AM

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btw no whea errors.

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@sudden torrent do you think I should consider the ram tuned or is there anything else I can do for it? I plan to tune the CPU next.

sudden torrent Jan 1, 2025, 4:05 AM

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Looks good to me, I'd move on at this point

steady lance Jan 1, 2025, 4:46 AM

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@sudden torrent I am about to eat dinner, after I am done with dinner I think I will start tuning the CPU. What software do you recommend me using and with what profiles? IIRC for my 7950x3D I will be doing PBO with Curve Optimizer yes?

steady lance Jan 1, 2025, 12:49 PM

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@sudden torrent I figured out what was causing my pc to not always boot when exiting bios. I had left the CPU SoC on Auto. When I changed it to Manual 1.3V booting now appears to be working again

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Does my config for CoreCycler look good?

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📎 config.ini

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gonna leave Core Cycler running over night

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steady lance Jan 1, 2025, 10:45 PM

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Am I doing something wrong?

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I left Core Cycler running over night and it never even finished the first iteration

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 1:26 AM

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steady lance I left Core Cycler running over night and it never even finished the first itera...

You have 32 threads and each set takes about 90 minutes to complete.
I do y-cruncher instead of p95 for that reason, it's 10 minutes per thread so you can do 2 full cycles in one night.

📎 config.ini

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 2:57 AM

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@sudden torrent HOLY, is increasing the PBO override by +200mhz supposed to make this big of a difference?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 3:00 AM

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That's 10^9 not 10^10

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:00 AM

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ahh rip.

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I missed that

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9.57 * (10^10) / 60

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Am I doing the formula right?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 3:02 AM

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No it's simpler than that, just a multiple of ten off

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So before you were running at 14.9 * 10^9

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And now it's down to 9.57

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:03 AM

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1.49 * 10^10

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I am not sure why it's now 10^9

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 3:04 AM

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Which indicates that it's throttling or getting lots of errors and correcting them, which slows it down

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Did you increase your power limit when you enabled pbo

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:04 AM

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btw I thought higher was better?

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:04 AM

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sudden torrent Did you increase your power limit when you enabled pbo

to 300 watts iirc.

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 3:04 AM

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300W on what

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There's 3 different limits

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:05 AM

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PPT I think was the name

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Is there a way I can check from Windows?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 3:05 AM

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Ryzen Master
Ok PPT you can set to 1000W

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TDC maybe 180A

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EDC 250A

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Start with that

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:06 AM

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I am on a MSI X670 Pro WiFi board.

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 3:06 AM

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Yes and those are the settings my motherboard defaults to when I set "motherboard limits" so yours should do them too with a slightly better VRM layout

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:06 AM

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btw 9.69 in CoreCycler rn

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gotcha

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btw why did it change to 10^9 from 10^10?

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If it errors the program stops I assume.

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 3:08 AM

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Because you lost a lot of performance to where it had to drop you down a factor of 10

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 3:08 AM

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Gotcha.

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Alright I will restart and apply those settings. brb

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 4:05 AM

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@sudden torrent just got back. Any idea why it is not posting with those settings?

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 4:25 AM

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Clearing the cmos and enabled context restore fixed the issue

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The score is still 10^9

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Looking at HWinfo it is not hitting the TDC/EDC or Power limits.

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:09 AM

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Of course it's not, you don't want it to hit the limits

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The point is that the frequency is determined by an algorithm that includes what power budget is available, so giving it way more than it needs can increase the frequency.

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(not always)

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:11 AM

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sudden torrent Of course it's not, you don't want it to hit the limits

I adjusted the power limit from 300W to 350W I am now getting 1.45 * (10^10)

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now*

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:11 AM

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Better

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:12 AM

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For some reason setting the power limit to 500 caused it not to boot or that's just bad luck

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:12 AM

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The power limits are something you can definitely play around with to find the sweet spot

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:12 AM

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any idea why my performance went down?

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Should I keep messing with the power limit?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:13 AM

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My guess is error correction, or an automatic frequency limiter of some kind was triggered

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Yeah you can play around with it

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Watch core frequency too

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:13 AM

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alright. I will try bumping it up to 400 to see if it makes a difference.

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:14 AM

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If the frequency goes down it's hitting a limiter, but if frequency goes up and speed goes down, that's error correction

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:14 AM

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sudden torrent Watch core frequency too

I know my Freq cores can do 5,800-5,850 and I haven't done CO yet.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:15 AM

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sudden torrent If the frequency goes down it's hitting a limiter, but if frequency goes up and ...

what kind of changes would you consider up and down?

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Changes in the hundreds?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:16 AM

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100MHz can be run to run variance, more like 500

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That or higher would be cause for concern

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:16 AM

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gotcha.

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I am seeing changes within 100mhz or less.

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@sudden torrent would you recommend I use Y-Cruncher VST3 or Core Cycler to test the frequency and performance?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:20 AM

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y-cruncher

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core cycler uses different algorithms

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:21 AM

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I am using the config you sent earlier..

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:21 AM

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and also only one core at a time

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a single active core isn't likely to hit any kind of limit

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if you wanted you could also run y-cruncher in benchmark mode instead of stress test, so you get an easier to work with number

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:23 AM

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does that affect the test itself?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:23 AM

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yes, basically it calculates X digits of pi and stops

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then scores you based on how long it took

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:24 AM

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Then I assume use CoreCycler for the stability test?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:25 AM

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CC is good for testing CO settings mostly

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Plus fclk to a point

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If you do it right then you should have your settings dialed in by next week

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:27 AM

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So I should use:

YC (For frequency test)
CC (For CO Stability test)

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:27 AM

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In this case yes

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yc gives you an idea of how the processor as a whole is doing, cc tests the max that a single core can do

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:28 AM

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Understood. Also you were talking about a frequency limit.

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So I should look for increases and decreases in the all-core frequency in HWinfo?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:29 AM

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Basically yes. If something is wrong it should be pretty apparent.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:29 AM

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k.

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I am gonna try booting with 400W PPT limit.

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Should I increase EDC and TDC?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:31 AM

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One at a time I'd say

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So if you get reverse scaling you know which one caused it

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Drop that in the y-cruncher folder if you want to run the benchmark. It'll calculate 10 billion digits of pi, and near the end it'll say "total computation time," that's the one to look at right now.

📎 bench.bat

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That will also put a bit of load on your memory, too. It should use a bit over 43GB of it if my math is correct.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:38 AM

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Aight thank you.

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@sudden torrent any idea why it seems as though if I don't clear CMOS before booting that I can't back into my tuned settings?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:40 AM

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memory context restore

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:40 AM

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Enable it disable it?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:40 AM

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disable

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:41 AM

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Disabled. Going to try and boot with 1000W PPT.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:43 AM

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sudden torrent memory context restore

Thank you!

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:45 AM

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sudden torrent Drop that in the y-cruncher folder if you want to run the benchmark. It'll calcu...

into the same folder with the Y-Cruncher.exe file?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 6:46 AM

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yes

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 6:46 AM

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ty

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I am seeing all-core clocks up to 5.35Ghz

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averaging around 4.625Ghz under sustained load.

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@sudden torrent TDC and EDC respectively hit 139 and 144 amps.

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peak of 150w

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The increase in power limit did it! I took a test in Stresss Test mode, I am back to 1.48-1.49!

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 7:25 AM

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changed the PPT to 3,000. I am averaging 1.48-1.49 from 1.46-1.48

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Is it risky to increase my TDC/EDC from 180/250 to something higher?

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 7:30 AM

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The CPU will only use what it needs

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This is just the motherboard acting as bartender. "How many drinks can I have tonight?"

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If the customer (cpu) decides it's had enough before that limit, that's all they take.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 7:34 AM

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gotcha

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so onto CO then.

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-20 posted on Core 0.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 8:14 AM

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-35 posted on Core 0.

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 8:21 AM

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The question with CO isn't "does it post," the question is "is it stable at max frequency and load" which is what corecycler is supposed to figure out.

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Maybe start with -30 all core, run corecycler for 3 loops, see what cores reported errors. Back off on those cores by 5, ones that didn't crash go down -5 more. Repeat until you get tired of it. It helps to keep a spreadsheet.

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If you get a blue screen... well you can't do -30 all core then for sure

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It's normal for some cores to end up needing a positive offset to remain stable since you're at +200

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 8:31 AM

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sudden torrent It's normal for some cores to end up needing a positive offset to remain stable ...

gotcha

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 8:32 AM

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sudden torrent The question with CO isn't "does it post," the question is "is it stable at max ...

I am currently doing CC, YC (Bench), Y-C (Stress) as my stability test.

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This is with a -35 CO

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 8:55 AM

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-45 CO posted on core 0.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 9:17 AM

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-45 crashed

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trying -40

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 9:50 AM

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@sudden torrent Core 0 is stable at -40 CO!

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passed both YC tests

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testing -40 CO on Core 1

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 10:42 AM

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Passed CC (3 Iterations)

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passed YC VST3 and Bench.

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steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 11:15 AM

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-50 CO on core 1 unfortunately crashed.

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Going to try -45 on core 1 now.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 11:35 AM

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-45 wasn't stable. Moved onto Core 2. -40 on Core 2 did not post however -30 did.

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What does this error mean?

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It should have access to plenty of power unless it means something else.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 11:49 AM

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steady lance What does this error mean?

@faint tangle, I noticed you were on. Any thoughts regarding this error?

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welp I am gonna go to sleep folks. I plan to leave Core Cycler on overnight. These are the tunings thus far

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faint tangle Jan 2, 2025, 12:17 PM

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Im sorry I've absolutely no clue

sudden torrent Jan 2, 2025, 1:32 PM

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steady lance What does this error mean?

It means that thread crashed, probably due to that core not being stable

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 8:35 PM

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sudden torrent It means that thread crashed, probably due to that core not being stable

Gotcha. By the way I ran Core Cycler overnight as 0,0,0,0,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2 Cores 0 and 2 managed to pass 5 sets.

steady lance Jan 2, 2025, 9:00 PM

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Reduced the CO on cores 1/2 down to -38/-28

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steady lance Jan 3, 2025, 4:07 AM

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@sudden torrent cores 1 and 2 have each passed 20 rounds of Core Cycler or 5 iterations since I did it as 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2.

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steady lance Jan 3, 2025, 11:11 AM

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Uhm @sudden torrent so I changed my thermal throttle limit from auto to 95 and it did this to Ryzen Master.

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Also all my cores now appear to be able to maintain higher clocks for longer.

sudden torrent Jan 3, 2025, 11:49 AM

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95 should be above what's possible to set, which is probably why it bugged out

steady lance Jan 3, 2025, 12:00 PM

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sudden torrent 95 should be above what's possible to set, which is probably why it bugged out

since restarting it seems to have fixed itself

steady lance Jan 4, 2025, 1:54 AM

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@sudden torrent, @faint tangle, the TG Contact Frame, TG PTM Sheets, and SN850X 4TB just arrived!

steady lance Jan 4, 2025, 7:31 PM

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@sudden torrent I left the CPU running overnight and my performance uplift is huge!!!

I am now scoring 1.79 * (10^10) in VST3! Used to get 1.48

All I did was:

install TG's AM5 contact frame
Reseat the CPU
Apply the new TG PTM Thermal Pad.

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sudden torrent Jan 4, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Not bad at all. Your peak temps look slightly better than mine and I have 4 less cores.

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 12:04 AM

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sudden torrent Not bad at all. Your peak temps look slightly better than mine and I have 4 less...

I just came home I left VST running. I am scoring average of 1.8. Is this good for a 7950x3D?

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As for stability I got my first 4 X3D cores very stable in at:

0 = -40 CO
1 = -38 CO
2 = -28 CO
3 = -28 CO
@sudden torrent

kind walrus Jan 5, 2025, 3:04 AM

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Please tell me you're only using ryzen master for hwmonitor

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 3:09 AM

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yeah all the tweaks are in bios afaik

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 3:21 AM

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kind walrus Please tell me you're only using ryzen master for hwmonitor

yes.

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 3:21 AM

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kind walrus Please tell me you're only using ryzen master for hwmonitor

All settings have been done using the Bios.

kind walrus Jan 5, 2025, 3:22 AM

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Would've gone postal if we were still suggesting ryzen master in 2024

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 3:57 AM

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Yeah that's just to show the curve in screenshots

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:29 AM

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@sudden torrent I am back to tuning the CPU again, and I noticed the PBO Scaler. What does that do again?

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:30 AM

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It's not something to touch for a daily, it makes the CPU care less about killing itself in exchange for holding boost clocks slightly longer, like milliseconds.

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:31 AM

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sudden torrent It's not something to touch for a daily, it makes the CPU care less about killin...

so nothing noticable.

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:31 AM

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right

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:32 AM

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Is VST3 a good way to measure a CPU's performance?

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:33 AM

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It's consistent enough but not the absolute best way

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It's pulling double duty as a benchmark and stress test

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:33 AM

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I am trying to figure out if my score of 1.8 is very good or not because I noticed that a 14900K with 8800mhz ram is only scoring around 1.18-1.26 on average

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:33 AM

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Intel uses a different algorithm since they don't use AVX-512

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:34 AM

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So it has a bias then?

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:34 AM

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No it's an entirely different set of results

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It's like comparing time spy to speed way

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:34 AM

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Oh so even the test is different is what you are saying?

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:35 AM

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It's an entirely different algorithm that happens to have the same result

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:35 AM

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How much does a 7950x3D typically score in VT3? I tried google but didn't find any results.

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:35 AM

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It's not a commonly run benchmark, maybe try cinebench r23/r24

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That's not as good as a stress test but it's good for comparing to other CPUs

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:36 AM

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gotcha

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I am hoping the rest of my cores can do -30 to -40 like the first 4 cores have

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 6:38 AM

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X3D cores tend to undervolt better because the frequency isn't as high

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 6:50 AM

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I am loving this SN850X!!!

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It is so much faster to move files around now

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 8:08 AM

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K, I am beginning to work on CO again. Was organizing my drives.

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-40 CO posted on Core 4.

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 8:47 AM

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Unfortunately -40 was not stable.

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Trying -35

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 9:28 AM

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@sudden torrent how many runs of CoreCycler should I give a core before calling it stable in CC and moving onto my overnight VST3 test?

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 9:29 AM

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I do 3 loops per core I'm testing for the initial test, and I do another test of the whole CPU for 48 hours when I'm done with all the cores

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 9:30 AM

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sudden torrent I do 3 loops per core I'm testing for the initial test, and I do another test of...

each core gets 48 hours or just as many passes as possible in 48hrs?

sudden torrent Jan 5, 2025, 9:30 AM

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I just let it run through all the cores for 48 total hours

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 9:31 AM

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I have been doing 4 runs of CC then 12hrs of VST3 to catch those random errors that pop up once in a blue moon

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or 250 iterations of VST3

steady lance Jan 5, 2025, 9:38 AM

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sudden torrent I do 3 loops per core I'm testing for the initial test, and I do another test of...

Hmm.

@sudden torrent, would this test schedule work well?

Initial test:

8 runs of CC
16 runs of Y-Cruncher (VST3)

Overnight Test:

Overnight / typically 250 iterations of Y-Cruncher (VST3)

Final Stability Test:

16 runs of CC (3 hours) back to back per core till all cores have been tested.

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the overnight test with YC so far has done the best job of detecting those little pesky random errors from what I can tell.

steady lance Jan 6, 2025, 6:14 AM

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@sudden torrent so far it appears I am stable on cores 0-5:

-40
-38
-28
-28
-30
-35

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cores 4-5 that I have been working on today have passed over a dozen rounds of CC and YC.

steady lance Jan 6, 2025, 9:59 PM

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Core 5 had to get nudged down to 33. testing it for stability

faint tangle Jan 6, 2025, 10:52 PM

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Anyone around for 13th gen voltage questions?

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Just wondering what voltage/voltages I'm supposed to change to undervolt in bios, or if its just "cpu core voltage"

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And im wondering if 1.14v is smart

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Actually nvm ill just update bios and let it deal with itself

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I'm due an update anyways

sudden torrent Jan 7, 2025, 7:15 AM

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faint tangle Actually nvm ill just update bios and let it deal with itself

This is the best way because the old microcode was still letting it spike to 1.6-1.7v even with an undervolt

steady lance Jan 9, 2025, 8:15 AM

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@sudden torrent would you consider this many runs of CC enough to call a core very stable?

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sudden torrent Jan 9, 2025, 8:17 AM

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At least for that workload, yes

steady lance Jan 9, 2025, 8:23 AM

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sudden torrent At least for that workload, yes

gotcha.

steady lance Jan 9, 2025, 11:12 AM

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welp good night folks.

Gonna run CC on cores 6 and 7 with -38 and -35 CO.

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 6:20 AM

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@sudden torrent it seems my 7950x3D can't clock beyond 5.7ghz without a serious undervolt that isn't stable. Should I overcolt the frequency ccd for higher clocks or continue with an undervolt?

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 6:22 AM

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It's not worth the risk imo. There's going to be very little real benefit.

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 8:18 AM

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sudden torrent It's not worth the risk imo. There's going to be very little real benefit.

gotcha

kind walrus Jan 13, 2025, 8:24 AM

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Basically 0 benefit

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If anything regression

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Cos clock stretching ≠ effective clock

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 8:59 AM

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kind walrus Cos clock stretching ≠ effective clock

So opt for undervolting which also means I can sustain higher clocks for longer correct?

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 9:04 AM

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Correct

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Though undervolts can cause clock stretching as well

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But you'd notice your corecycler speed go down in that case

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 9:15 PM

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@sudden torrent how is core 9 failing when it has a curve offset of 0???

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Y-Cruncher VST3

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 9:27 PM

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steady lance <@396513761550270464> how is core 9 failing when it has a curve offset of 0???

Because you're at +200 offset. It's not uncommon to need a little more voltage to hit that. (Positive CO exists for a reason)

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 9:31 PM

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sudden torrent Because you're at +200 offset. It's not uncommon to need a little more voltage t...

My override is currently 0

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that is why I am so confused

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 9:33 PM

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I guess that core is just unlucky then

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That kind of processor would be borderline QC fail. This is a heavier than normal workload but you shouldn't need positive CO for anything at +0

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 9:38 PM

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sudden torrent That kind of processor would be borderline QC fail. This is a heavier than norma...

So I just got unlucky then?

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This is with +5 CO on core 9.

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I am extremely confused and frustrated with this core.

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Unlucky almost to the point where I'd consider getting a RMA

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This is the equivalent of crashing at stock settings

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The RMA would be accepted too, if you just tell them that the processor is failing a stability test at stock settings

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No need for more detail than that but if they ask you could tell them the program you used

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My worst core did -20 CO at +200. Needing +CO at +0 is unacceptable to me.

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 11:10 PM

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sudden torrent The RMA would be accepted too, if you just tell them that the processor is faili...

... Does AMD accept chips that have already been RMAed once?

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Is it possible that the negative co on the other cores is causing core 9 to fail?

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I just changed PBO from Manual (Advaned) to just Enabled

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time to see if it still happens

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 11:51 PM

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steady lance ... Does AMD accept chips that have already been RMAed once?

Yes, it'll be covered under the original purchase warranty

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 11:52 PM

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steady lance Is it possible that the negative co on the other cores is causing core 9 to fail...

No it's independent so unless it's just generally unstable it wouldn't cause an error

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 11:52 PM

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How is it AMD has screwed up twice

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🤦‍♂️

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 11:53 PM

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You're just unlucky

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 11:53 PM

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I doubt it can be from degration could it?

sudden torrent Jan 13, 2025, 11:54 PM

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That's possible but unlikely on X3D because the voltage is reduced out of the box

steady lance Jan 13, 2025, 11:57 PM

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@sudden torrent now I am very confused.

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So I decided to run VST3

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this time with PBO set to Enabled rather than manual.

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It's now passing the test with flying colors.

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and to confirm that it didn't reduce boost clock, HWinfo shows all the cores on CCD1 hitting 5.75Ghz

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Any thoughts?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Could be a power delivery issue since you had tweaked the limits a lot

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:04 AM

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sudden torrent Could be a power delivery issue since you had tweaked the limits a lot

But that's good news right?

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Means it is just user error

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not a hardware issue

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 12:04 AM

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Potentially yes

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:05 AM

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I seriously don't want to deal with AMD's Customer Support for a RMA again....

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Took a month and a half to get my replacement and so many days of back and fourth

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:06 AM

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sudden torrent Potentially yes

so it's passed multiple rounds of VST 3 with scores around 1.48-1.5 at 10*10

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 12:07 AM

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So it's faster too? lol

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:07 AM

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sudden torrent So it's faster too? lol

yes/no prior to dealing with the damned issue with core 9 errors I was geting 1.7-1.8

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at 10*10

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:08 AM

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steady lance I just came home I left VST running. I am scoring average of 1.8. Is this good...

@sudden torrent

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 12:08 AM

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Ah right, the latest screenshots threw me off

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:08 AM

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btw I assume 1.79-1.8 is very good for a 7950x3D?

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if PBO without tuning ram got me 1.45 on average

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:09 AM

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steady lance Any thoughts?

Try and do what you were doing earlier but add +5 to every single core

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:09 AM

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kind walrus Try and do what you were doing earlier but add +5 to every single core

positive offset or do you mean just reduce the negative offset?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:09 AM

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More positive to all yes

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:10 AM

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gotcha.

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I will try that when I have time later.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:11 AM

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steady lance btw I assume 1.79-1.8 is very good for a 7950x3D?

@kind walrus I imagine a experienced user as yourself would know the answer to my question. Y-Cruncher VST3

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:13 AM

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I have no idea

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I don't look at those numbers cos I don't tune the cores to an inch of their life lol

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:13 AM

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Am I mixing people up? Thought you did LN2

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:14 AM

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kind walrus I don't look at those numbers cos I don't tune the cores to an inch of their lif...

Why do I feel like this is targeted towards me lmao.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:15 AM

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sudden torrent Could be a power delivery issue since you had tweaked the limits a lot

if it is power is it due to lack of or the ability to move the power between the psu to board? I am curious as to what your guys thoughts are and the possibilities

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:16 AM

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steady lance Am I mixing people up? Thought you did LN2

Never done, I only have basic knowledge of it

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:16 AM

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steady lance Why do I feel like this is targeted towards me lmao.

It's targeted towards anyone that aims for bleeding edge daily settings cos it never works out and always causes problems lol

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:16 AM

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I want to tune my 7950x3D as much as I can while maintaining diamond solid stability for when I upgrade the GPU

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:16 AM

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I see it all the time

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:17 AM

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steady lance I want to tune my 7950x3D as much as I can while maintaining diamond solid stabi...

See that's the thing, you aren't keeping that stability by tuning it, you're slowly removing it to the point that you accept

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That point is going to have removed redundancy

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When it comes to daily settings, you don't run them close to the limit, you always add a degree of tolerance in case something causes problems later

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:18 AM

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steady lance

Like such^

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It always happens without fail

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I always add redundancy now

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:19 AM

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kind walrus Like such^

yes, indeed a excellent example

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:19 AM

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Not saying don't tune the way you want but I've seen way too many people do this and being too aggressive always causes issues

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And then they're like "Oh it's fine I just changed such and such we're good now" and they lose like a week every month of their spare time

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:20 AM

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this is truly strange though. For some reason that core is the one that is listed as the error but if I just switch to standard PBO it doesn't throw the error

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:20 AM

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Yes because you're adding an undervolt

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:20 AM

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I even did a positive co on it

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:21 AM

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Even if it's not on that core

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It's on the cluster

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:21 AM

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kind walrus Yes because you're adding an undervolt

I did positive on it without clock override

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:21 AM

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kind walrus It's on the cluster

^

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:21 AM

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kind walrus It's on the cluster

oh, i think I get what you mean

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So even if that one isn't directly the source of the error, if another core on that CCD (Cluster) is unstable it will cause that core to error?

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Like a chain effect

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:22 AM

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Yes or scheduling

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You're basically asking the mobo to droop more per core, which as with any undervolt has a limit

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:23 AM

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so in other words, try doing that CCD again from scratch and really make sure that each core on their is fully stable

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I admittedly rushed CCD1 by primarily just using CoreCycler

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well what do you know

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I removed all offsets on CCD1 and now it even booted without having to deal with finicky powering up issues

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core 8 threw an error

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yargh

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@kind walrus can having to much of a offset on CCD0 cause CCD1 to be unstable?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Unlikely but not impossible

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Too much on ccd1 is likely to affect all ccd1 tho

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:33 AM

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Hmm okay.

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Why I ask is

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Currently CCD0 has a heavy offset while CCD1 has no offsets.

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I do not have boostclock override enabled

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So it's set to stock speed

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:37 AM

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If you've been tuning to no clock override then your settings will work to that

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Adding clock override after can introduce issues

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You do that before not after

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Depending on the behaviour of the silicon, removing the override can improve stability but not always

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:39 AM

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kind walrus If you've been tuning to no clock override then your settings will work to that

I was tuning with override up until I started trying to do CCD1 but kept getting errors

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Specifically always with Cores 9 and 8 in VST3

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:40 AM

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You can add global clock limits for specific cores

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:40 AM

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Oh so if I know x core is only stable at x clock I can tell it not to go beyond that?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:41 AM

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Your pbo rules should have a menu for that

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:41 AM

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Gotcha.

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I will definitely check that out.

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But unfortunately it doesn't solve the current issue.

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Cores 8 and 9 continue to throw an error despite CCD1 having no offsets.

Power limits:
PPT: 4000W
TDC: 180A
EDC: 250A

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:44 AM

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Stock clock limit?

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:44 AM

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Currently yes

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:44 AM

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What board is this

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:44 AM

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MSI X670 Pro WiFi

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I just updated the bios about 10 days ago

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:44 AM

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Ah

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Do you have an option for core voltage

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Between die sense and socket sense

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:45 AM

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kind walrus Do you have an option for core voltage

SoC yes?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:45 AM

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No

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Core voltage

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Vcore

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:45 AM

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I will need to double check in a sec.

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:45 AM

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Below LLC settings

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Which btw have a huge impact on cores

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:46 AM

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I remember working with Fal and having set the LLC to mode 3.

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:46 AM

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Setting what LLC

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There's two

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:46 AM

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I believe for the SoC I will confirm in a couple minutes once I am back at the pc

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:47 AM

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Ok speaking from experience you should never set SoC LLC

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Unless he has a better source for that

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:47 AM

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We were tuning my ram at the time.

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:47 AM

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I'm saying in general

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:48 AM

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Understood.

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My CPU is running 1.29-1.3V SoC because it was not very stable below that unless I turned my ram down to below 6000mhz

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Currently running 6400mhz for the ram

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:50 AM

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Adding any LLC is a trigger for droop which yes will cause that sort of thing

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And given MSI's usual LLC behaviour I'm not surprised

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:51 AM

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So LLC is the cause?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:51 AM

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Could be

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:51 AM

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Should I try removing it or tightening it?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 12:51 AM

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Your boards switching behaviour and droop could be the cause

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Which is why I'm inquiring about vcore rn

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 12:52 AM

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Give me about 2m to get to the PC then I will get an answer for you

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Check it in bios or heingo?

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Hwinfo?

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@kind walrus k I am at the pc

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:02 AM

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In bios

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steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:04 AM

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CPU LLC = mode 3
CPU NB/SoC LLC = mode 3

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Where do I find vcore

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:04 AM

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Below it

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Like next entry literally

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It'll say like advanced dram config

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Llc settings

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Vcore settings

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:07 AM

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kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:08 AM

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It's not there for a reason then

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Well I normally run mode 4 for msi but you've started with 3 so 4 won't work

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Go into digi all power

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:09 AM

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What other names might it be under?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:09 AM

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Set the vcore switching frequency

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Change it to something else, anything else

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:09 AM

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kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:10 AM

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Yep cpu switching frequency set it to say, 2nd highest speed

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Try running the test again

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:10 AM

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So 900KHz

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:10 AM

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I was expecting 500

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Try 500

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:11 AM

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I can set it to 1,000KHz as well surprisingly

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500KHz is my lowest setting

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:11 AM

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Interesting

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I was expecting that to be 125 lmao

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:11 AM

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Is higher better?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:11 AM

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Ok try idk, 750

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Not always

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:12 AM

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My options are:
Auto
500
600
700
800
900
1,000

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:12 AM

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700

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:12 AM

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K

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Should I up LLC to 4 or leave it at 3?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:12 AM

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Leave at 3 unless you want to redo every single core

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:12 AM

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...

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3 it is

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There is CPU NB/SoC Switching Frequency as well

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:13 AM

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You should fix that later but not now

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:13 AM

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What I just set is CPU Switching Frequency

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Yep

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Switching freq can make a big difference in droop behaviour

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Just confirmed clock override is indeed disabled

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So all should be stock speed

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:14 AM

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The other alternative is you switch to mode 2 cpu llc

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Iirc 2 is higher

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So less droop

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:15 AM

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My board goes from 1-8 with 8 being the highest

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:15 AM

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Is it 8 being the highest?

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:15 AM

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At least according to the info thing on the side

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:15 AM

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So 4 goes higher?

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:15 AM

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Yes

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:15 AM

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If it does then you could try 4

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If you start terribly crashing then it's likely the core offsets more directly

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But I would assume different ccd would have a rather minimal impact

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:17 AM

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Hmm the info thing for LLC is different on this bios version

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Should I assume 2 is higher then?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:18 AM

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If it is then don't touch it and just try playing with switch freq

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If you keep failing trying a bunch of them, then yes dial back the undervolt on ccd0

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:19 AM

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Understood. Leaving LLC at 3 then.

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Switching frequency set to 700KHz. Now booting

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:21 AM

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kind walrus If you keep failing trying a bunch of them, then yes dial back the undervolt on ...

You mean the frequency correct? I wanna make sure I don't mess with something I shouldn't.

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In windows now

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Errored again

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Same 2 cores

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8 and 9

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:24 AM

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Ok try 500

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:24 AM

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steady lance You mean the frequency correct? I wanna make sure I don't mess with something I...

Mhm

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Try 500 and LLC 2

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Cpu

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Not soc

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:24 AM

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Understood

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Loading into bios

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So:
CPU LLC = 2
CPU Switching Frequency = 500KHz

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:26 AM

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Mhm

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:26 AM

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K

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Booting up

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 1:28 AM

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Interesting. Something I just noticed in the corecycler files is the PBO2Tuner app. It will let you change PBO settings from inside Windows, including CO, PPT, TDC, EDC, Fmax, and scalar.
It's in the "tools" folder.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:29 AM

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Want the good news

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Or the bad news first

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 1:29 AM

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Hoo boy

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Bad ig

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:29 AM

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It was other cores failing wasn't it

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:29 AM

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Yes/no

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Core 9 and 8 didn't fail but core 12 did

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Still CCD1

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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💀

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Ran another run

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Core 9 fail

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Ok try LLC 3 again

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Wtf?

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Ran again

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Now core 4 threw an error

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:31 AM

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Yes

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:31 AM

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LLC?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:31 AM

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This is the impact of being on the limit

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Llc 3

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After that, if I'm right it should throw only 8 and 9 again

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 1:31 AM

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Load Line Calibration. It controls how much the voltage droops when under load.

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:31 AM

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So LLC 4

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:32 AM

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So I have run VST3 4 times here are the problem children.

4
9
12

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:32 AM

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Stop running

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Lol

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LLC 3

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:32 AM

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K

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:32 AM

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You know why it happened

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Cos mode 2 is lower

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Not higher

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:32 AM

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Oh okay

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:32 AM

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LLC 3 will likely be 8 and 9 again

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Or just 9

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Which means LLC4 could clear the issue

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:33 AM

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So now we know. MSI X670 the higher number LLC is indeed higher

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 1:33 AM

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kind walrus Cos mode 2 is lower

Not on MSI, at least on mine

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:33 AM

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steady lance So now we know. MSI X670 the higher number LLC is indeed higher

Which is typical

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It's inversed

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:34 AM

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sudden torrent Not on MSI, at least on mine

Mine did this

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:34 AM

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So set CPU LLC to 4?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:34 AM

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3

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:34 AM

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3 k

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:34 AM

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We changed switching freq. So we can't jump to 4

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Set

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Booting up

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I am starting to dislike how long my password is

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....

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@kind walrus @sudden torrent well this time it didn't immediately error

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Core 4 from CCD0 did error though

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:39 AM

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Mmmm

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LLC 4 switching freq back to auto

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So it doesn't like 500

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:40 AM

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So:
CPU LLC = 4
Switch Frequency= auto

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:40 AM

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Yep

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You could keep messing with the freq

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I'm guessing like 900 is probably what it does in fact like

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But auto was consistent so better not to bother

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LLC 4 would likely stop all the immediate errors

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Which would mean you need to dial back your CO numbers definitely

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:42 AM

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Should I just set it to 1,000 and give it a test?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:42 AM

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Not really necessary

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:42 AM

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What does switch frequency do?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:42 AM

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I was testing for consistency

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:43 AM

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steady lance What does switch frequency do?

Not even I know this that well but I do know it's inclusive to LLC behaviour

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Some settings are bad

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:43 AM

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So try CPU LLC = 4

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:43 AM

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But this board seems ok for consistency

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Mhm

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:44 AM

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Just set CPU LLC to mode 4

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:44 AM

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And switching auto

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:44 AM

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F I forgot

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One sec

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Lesson learned

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Don't try doing 3 things at the same time

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Booting up

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CPU LLC = 4
Switch Frequency= auto

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Errored again

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:51 AM

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Which

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:52 AM

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Cores that errored:

13
5
8

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:52 AM

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Ooo maybe the LLC is unstable

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Go back to 3 auto

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:52 AM

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Okay

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I am starting to think that this instability is caused by the Co on CCD0

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:54 AM

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On the contrary

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:54 AM

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Set CPU LLC to 3

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:54 AM

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Notice how 8 always fails

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:55 AM

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Yes, oh so you think it's because of LLC because when we change those 8 isn't the only failing core

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 1:55 AM

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I think 8 is always the failing core rn

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Whatever it's set to

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:56 AM

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Brb

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Core 4 errores

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Errors

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Only 4?

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:03 AM

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It seems Core 4 is pretty consistently an erroring core on CCD0 and Cores 8/9 error on CCD1 which has no offsets

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:03 AM

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kind walrus Only 4?

Just 4

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Try something a bit more aggressive

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Add +5 to all co

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:04 AM

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kind walrus Try something a bit more aggressive

Program?

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Bios

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:04 AM

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I ran VST3 again, cores 9 and 4 errored

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:05 AM

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8 & 9 are same core

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Add +5 co to all cores

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:06 AM

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kind walrus Add +5 co to all cores

Okay. Note CCD1 has no offsets so that will be a positive offset

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:06 AM

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Ik

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:13 AM

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I gotta go. Will you be available later?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 2:13 AM

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kind walrus 8 & 9 are same core

Corecycler accounts for threads and only looks at the first thread in a core when numbering

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:13 AM

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Also thank you for your help.

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Leaving VST3 on

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So far no errors

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:14 AM

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sudden torrent Corecycler accounts for threads and only looks at the first thread in a core whe...

Ah

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:14 AM

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steady lance So far no errors

So you can put it back but one or more of your co settings triggered it

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So if +5 fixes it then definitely at least one core isn't stable

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:17 AM

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Just left the house. Right before I left ai noticed an error.

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Shut the PC down in the meantime

kind walrus Jan 14, 2025, 2:18 AM

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Still could be the CO settings

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No immediate error is a sign

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 2:21 AM

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What we also know is that with PBO set to Enabled vs Manual (Advanced) that it won't error in VST3

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:24 AM

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@kind walrus, @sudden torrent any chance you guys are still on?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 10:24 AM

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I'm up, playing a game

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:28 AM

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Gotcha. I was hoping you might be able to help me in a moment.

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What game are you playing if I may ask?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 10:29 AM

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Skyrim rn

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But I'm probably going to stop soon since I've been fighting a bugged script that disabled all my interaction (anything with E key doesn't work)

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:33 AM

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sudden torrent But I'm probably going to stop soon since I've been fighting a bugged script tha...

Well fudge...

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:34 AM

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sudden torrent Skyrim rn

Fun but buggy game for certain. I remember having watched TheWaffleGalaxy when he made his Skyrim series. That was very entertaining

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@sudden torrent to you think I should restart my core tuning and change my testing methods to focus on VST3 since that appears to be a much harder thing to pass?

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It's evident I think that it has something to do with the CO because just running with PBO enabled without offsets it works fine

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 10:36 AM

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That's up to you. Generally speaking I don't call it stable until I've done at least 3 different kinds of stress test, but one is good enough for basic testing until I get a rough outline.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:36 AM

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sudden torrent That's up to you. Generally speaking I don't call it stable until I've done at l...

What 3 tests?

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I will run them back to back for each core

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 10:38 AM

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Depends on the flavor of the week, but some combination of corecycler, prime95, linpack, OCCT, and I'll throw a memory test in for good measure because CO can mess with RAM OC.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:38 AM

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I think my best bet is to remove all co offsets except 0-3 because we know those cores passed with flying colors having scored 1.79-1.8

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:39 AM

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sudden torrent Depends on the flavor of the week, but some combination of corecycler, prime95, ...

P95 is what CC uses right?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 10:39 AM

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One option yes

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It does it differently from a full test, doing one core at a time

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Which is good for dialing in problem cores but I also want to know if it's all core stable

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 10:40 AM

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I will be right back.

What test method do you suggest I go with test by test? I wish to tune the cores as much as I can while maintaining solid stability

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 10:41 AM

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Find what you think is the limit and back off by 5 if you're not 100% certain it's stable

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If that's followed then stability should be easier to achieve

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Especially since over time the CPU will degrade slightly and require slightly more voltage to run the same clocks, eventually becoming unstable if you're running on the razor's edge

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:10 AM

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Back

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:11 AM

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sudden torrent Especially since over time the CPU will degrade slightly and require slightly mo...

How fast does degration happen?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:11 AM

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Depends on a lot of factors but generally very slowly, over the course of years

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:11 AM

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Also CO will keep my cou alive for longer correct?

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Negative co

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Yes but also no

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Yes the voltage is slightly lower but the frequency is also higher more often

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:13 AM

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I get what you mean now

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Even though it's using less voltage it is however running under full load more often

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So it balances itself

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For PPT, TDC, EDC should I keep them on manual or set it to the option called Motherboard

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:14 AM

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I set mine to motherboard limits

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:15 AM

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Is that better or?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:15 AM

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It's just what the motherboard vendor has proven works with your VRM

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:15 AM

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Gotcha

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So the bottom line is that it's safer

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:16 AM

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Eh, no not really lol

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:16 AM

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Really?

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Well I just removed co offsets from all cores except 0-4

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0-3 I know are rock solid

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And ai re-enabled the 200mhz override

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For PBO limits I set it to motherboard since I am betting that is what PBO enabled uses

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:20 AM

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Motherboard limits for me sets 1000W PPT, 180A TDC, and 250A EDC. Way more than I'll ever come close to using. So it's not really "safer" in that sense.

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It might be called "safer" in that it's validated to work with your VRM

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:20 AM

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Safe for the board I mean

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:21 AM

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Nah the board will be fine

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:21 AM

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Pray

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FAL

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pray

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Running vst3

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My gosh I am sweating

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Literally

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:22 AM

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You've probably got at least 10x 50A power stages, possibly more or higher power, so even if you were pushing 400W it would be totally safe for the board.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:22 AM

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Please work!!!

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YES!

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It flipping cussin worked!

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Man that feels good to see

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For the better part of a 4 days I am been sweating this and messing my my co values on CCD1

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So the problem child appears to have been the CO on some core between 5-7

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I am scoring 1.49 which is about the same as last time. For some reason when I scored 1.8 my chip kept getting faster? It started at 1.49 last time and overnight creeped up to 1.8 till it stabilized there

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:27 AM

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sudden torrent You've probably got at least 10x 50A power stages, possibly more or higher power...

I double checked your board and it has 14 80A stages so the max "safe" power would be 1,120W not including SoC power, which has another 2 stages available to it.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:27 AM

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It's passed 3 entire rounds!!!

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:27 AM

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sudden torrent I double checked your board and it has 14 80A stages so the max "safe" power wou...

Wow. So my board is overspecced?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:27 AM

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So the board will be fine no matter what settings you use

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:28 AM

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And motherboard pbo limits applies whatever msi deemed to work on this board correct?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:29 AM

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steady lance Wow. So my board is overspecced?

Yeah they went kinda crazy on AMD boards. It's basically enough to run an overclocked threadripper without going past the most efficient 50% load on the VRM.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:29 AM

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Which based on what you said I assume to be way more than any Ryzen chip will ever use

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Passed 4 rounds!

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Averaging 1.49 * 10^10

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:30 AM

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Waaaaaay more than will be used

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:30 AM

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By the way Fal I heard a disturbing noise that sounded like splashing water from my AIO when I was booting up

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:31 AM

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Air bubbles

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Safe to ignore

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:31 AM

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Understood

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:31 AM

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As long as it's not actually leaking that is

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:31 AM

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No leaks thankfully I packaged my PC like a psycho who's overly protective of their baby

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But my gosh the damage to the box and foam and everything was terrifying when I opened up the pc

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4 inches thick of bubble wrap was the right call

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:32 AM

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The packaging damage would be validating to me. It would mean my paranoia paid off.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:32 AM

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Layered between hard packaging

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I did wrap, cardboard, peanuts/foam frame, wrap

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You know the extremely tough foam that the fractal comes with?

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Well that was shattered to bits

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238378997541245001/1322784091552223273/PXL_20241229_041727945.jpg?ex=67873a2f&is=6785e8af&hm=f4838dddf793b617787fd170f7fd4923fc664dec36fb2a6934dd2e8e84507211&

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This side wasn't so bad

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But the other side was turned to crumbs

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Hmm PC crashed

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Oh f.

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Nvm

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🤦‍♂️ my screen turned off

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And like an idiot I pressed the power button

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1238378997541245001/1322784091955007638/PXL_20241229_041901167.jpg?ex=67873a2f&is=6785e8af&hm=8a9d2157bfa36f7684562f6b522d30e56eb288afb59b3c7d940798098d6ecc48&

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:39 AM

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tbf the foam the cases ship in isn't meant to support the weight of a fully built system, just the case itself

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:39 AM

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sudden torrent tbf the foam the cases ship in isn't meant to support the weight of a fully buil...

I stripped out all but the board aio and fans

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But I get what you mean

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At least it made it with minimal damage

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CO Values:
40
38
28
28
25

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All negative

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So run CoreCycler, VST3, OCCT, and Prime95?

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@sudden torrent what is the site ai download P95 from?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:45 AM

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mersenne.org I think

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Yeah https://www.mersenne.org/download/

GIMPS - Free Prime95 software downloads - PrimeNet

GIMPS has free software available for Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OSX. Contribute to the effort by using your computer's spare processing power.

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:46 AM

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Ty

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Any profiles or etc so should run?

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Also for testing how my chip compares to others do I install Cinebench R23 or R24?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:48 AM

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I do small fft avx-512 enabled for a few hours then switch to large fft

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Cinebench is just a download and run deal, no install needed

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That one's on maxon.net https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

Maxon

Cinebench 2024 Downloads

Maxon tools include C4D for 3D modeling, simulation and animation, ZBrush and Forger for 3D modeling, Red Giant tools for editing, motion design and…

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Or you could get it through benchmate https://benchmate.org/

BenchMate is a PC Benchmark Validation Software

Download BenchMate for free to measure the genuine performance of your system with professional quality

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Benefit to using benchmate is it includes tons of different programs you can compare/test with

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:51 AM

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Oh awesome

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:51 AM

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You can compare results on hwbot.org

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:52 AM

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The benchmate install

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Is that just mass installing different programs?

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:52 AM

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Basically yes but it's also a frontend program to easily and securely launch the programs

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It includes anti tamper features that are important for validating scores

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:53 AM

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Wondering because I already have things like OCCT, Y-Cruncher, CoreCycler, and etc installed

sudden torrent Jan 14, 2025, 11:53 AM

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It doesn't have any of those

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Except y-cruncher

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And it does install cutom settings for that

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 11:54 AM

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Gotcha so it's still worth indtalling

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OCCT and P95 have been reinstalled

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No longer running on a year+ old version

steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 1:27 PM

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Interesting, seems having set board limits it's gone up way higher than what I had set manually.

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steady lance Jan 14, 2025, 3:28 PM

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Ran CB24 from Benchmate. I scored an average of 2,085 in it.

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Also I ran two rounds of OCCT one CPU and one CPU+RAM both with settings optimized to increase CPU strain.

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 8:21 AM

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@sudden torrent I am confused by this GUI. How do I know if an error occurs?

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 8:52 AM

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been running P95, and some other programs at the same time for about an hour now.

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temps are staying steady at about 60c

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:50 AM

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so two hours later the cores are averaging about 55c on CCD1 and 62c on CCD0. @kind walrus is that good?

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P95 small FFTs with avx512

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oh btw the issue was indeed an issue with a core on CCD0 i decided to go back to th cores I knew for certain had a rock solid CO and work my way back down

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:51 AM

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steady lance <@396513761550270464> I am confused by this GUI. How do I know if an error occu...

Workers stop on error or you bsod

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:51 AM

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steady lance so two hours later the cores are averaging about 55c on CCD1 and 62c on CCD0. <...

More than fine. Tjmax is 89

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:51 AM

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kind walrus Workers stop on error or you bsod

gotcha. I had 0 errors then

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:52 AM

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So it was a CO issue then

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I would like to take this opportunity btw, adding the +5 like we did, I would do that anyway once you're done. Reason is synthetics are still not a perfect guarantee, and as you saw, that kind of "what's unstable???" event happens a lot to people who daily on their tested limits

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I see it constantly

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@short blade had episodes like this a lot with ram stability

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Just adding that redundancy does so much to keep things stable

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:54 AM

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So far I have tested the current co's and all passed with:

CO (negatives with +200 override from core 0-15)

40
38
28
28
25

Tests:

Y-Cruncher VST3 (overnight +200 iterations)
OCCT CPU and CPU/RAM test with settings on extreme
Prime95
Cinebench R24 Single and Multicore
CoreCycler about 100 iterations (running it overnight just incase)

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:55 AM

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There's common phrases such as "bench tune" or "daily tune" and daily tunes stretch beyond just synthetics imo, cos you will never get perfect coverage, not with how complex programs are now

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:55 AM

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true

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:55 AM

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Adding that little bit of extra buffer does a huge amount

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Saves you from that random program unleashing mayhem

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:55 AM

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I have found that Fortnite is shockingly a great test for CO because of DirectX 12 I think

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:55 AM

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Yes I believe that's true

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The free to play cod also is good

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Forgot the name

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Battle royale one

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:56 AM

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it's one of the few games that I have noticed actually uses all the cores because I see the load on the cores in HWinfo

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:56 AM

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kind walrus Battle royale one

Warzone but I have found in more recent versions it's been very iffy

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because the game itself now isn't very stable

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:58 AM

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All the more reason it's a good test lol

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 9:58 AM

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kind walrus All the more reason it's a good test lol

my point is that the game itself crashes on stock settings

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so you never know if it's the pc or the game itself

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 9:59 AM

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Maybe stock is unstable derpyBlob

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Maybe you borked your windows from testing

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Though I don't disagree, I'm just always skeptical about everything

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 10:01 AM

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kind walrus Maybe stock is unstable<:derpyBlob:800415354891403275>

I assumed as well till I found out multiple of my friends experienced the same issue + I had done a fresh windows install and every thing

steady lance Jan 15, 2025, 10:01 AM

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kind walrus Though I don't disagree, I'm just always skeptical about everything

Good habit in moderation

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 10:02 AM

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steady lance Good habit in moderation

It's the reason people come to me a lot lmao

short blade Jan 15, 2025, 5:32 PM

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kind walrus <@122901618369757184> had episodes like this a lot with ram stability

i think it's just some issue raptor lake has with 4133 ngl

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i've been dailying 4200 stable these days

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 5:33 PM

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It could be, meant it more in like

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I'd tell you to dial back and you kept not giving up DogKek

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Not judging your work quality in that measure but more the amount of trouble you had

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Lol

short blade Jan 15, 2025, 5:35 PM

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i think i just made it sound like more work than it actually was

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basically just starting tests while doing work/sleeping

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after changing 1 thing

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 5:35 PM

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It did come up a lot tho

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We barely see it from anyone else by comparison

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Well

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@steady lance

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But very rare here

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Very common in OC servers

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Way more common really, but most are just benching instead of daily

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I used to do it a fair bit too

short blade Jan 15, 2025, 5:36 PM

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yeah it wouldn't have taken that long if i was only benching it

kind walrus Jan 15, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Yea cos then it's a burner install and bigger number better

wheat lintel Jan 15, 2025, 11:08 PM

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What you don't daily a stripped windows?

kind walrus Jan 16, 2025, 4:36 AM

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I didn't say that

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Sip

steady lance Jan 16, 2025, 9:23 AM

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So far:

-40
-38
-28
-28
-25
-30 are very stable

abstract wedge Jan 18, 2025, 8:04 AM

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short blade i think it's just some issue raptor lake has with 4133 ngl

is this not just the board having a goofy strap for 4133?

sudden torrent Jan 18, 2025, 8:08 AM

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It's super weird whatever the cause is because Intel prefers multiples of 133, so you'd think it would like 4133 (31*133)

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:10 AM

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abstract wedge is this not just the board having a goofy strap for 4133?

yeah it could be that too

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i've seen a lot of people daily 4133 on the same model so could be some quirk with my specific board

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and the previous owner of this ram kit dailied 4133 15-15-15

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still dailying 4200 problem free

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:17 AM

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ello,

here to update the progress on re-tuning the cores

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:17 AM

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for context on my previous chip 4133 15-15-15 would be stable with every test under the sun

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then within a few days of dailying that it would randomly be so unstable that it would bsod on boot or sometimes even fail post

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then I'd get it back to being stable with every test under the sun

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rinse and repeat

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:18 AM

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From cores 0-16, listed numbers are stable negative CO values.

-40
-38
-28
-28
-25
-30
-35

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:19 AM

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settled on 4000 daily on that old chip, had similar 4133 behavior on the new chip to a lesser degree but new chip can do 4200 perfectly stable

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:19 AM

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Testing using P95, Y-Cruncher VST, and CoreCycler

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:19 AM

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short blade then within a few days of dailying that it would randomly be so unstable that it...

sounds like the nightmare I had with my faulty 7950x3D

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except it was on all stock and below stock settings

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:20 AM

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instead of bsod on boot or fail post I'd get a bsod after a few hours of normal use then run karhu and see an error at 700%

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so idk could be my board has an issue with 4133

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:21 AM

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My guess would be the board. I had similar issues on my 5700G when ramm tuning

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certain frequencies just didn't wanna work

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:21 AM

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steady lance sounds like the nightmare I had with my faulty 7950x3D

my old 13700k degraded to the point where it would chain bsod at 5.0ghz p-cores ht off 4ghz ring e-cores off 1.4v

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:22 AM

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yikes

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:22 AM

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and that thing never exceeded 1.4v since the day I got it

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my daily settled at 1.28 under load

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:22 AM

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guess we are all bound to run into some bad apples

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:22 AM

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also not one of the batches with oxidation issues

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and wasn't running any of the other voltages in danger zones either

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so yeah I got no clue

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new 13700k is a way better sample and I'm on newest microcode with a hefty undervolt so hopefully it does not explode

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:23 AM

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hmm also I will be right back. I am going to see if I can push core 6 from 0-15 a bit more on the co

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:24 AM

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steady lance From cores 0-16, listed numbers are stable negative CO values. - -40 - -38 - -28...

are these good offsets for CCD0 (V-cache)

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:25 AM

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old 13700k needed 1.32v for 5.5p/4.9r/4.3e, 1.26v sa for 4000g1, 4200 didn't post

new 13700k needs 1.21v for 5.5p/4.9r/4.3e, 1.295v sa for 4200g1

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looks good to me but I only tried one 7800x3d no 7950x3d

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dunno how different the CO would be with the higher boost freqs

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I was building it for someone else so I just did a lazy -25 all core and it tested stable so I left it at that

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something was unstable at -30 all, probably could have seen some benefit from per-core but didn't want to spend that much time or ride that close to the edge for someone else's build

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I remember my old 5800x one of the cores couldn't even do -1 with +0 fmax

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:30 AM

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Correction, Core 6 had an offset of -33 not -35

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I just applied -38 to core 6

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:31 AM

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and needed +5 for 200 fmax lmao

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found my whole curve I still have it saved even though that 5800x is long gone

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:31 AM

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my last 7950x3D the offsets it did while it functioned were around -20 for CCD0 and -10 for CCD1

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:31 AM

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Fmax: +200
PPT: 160
TDC: 140
EDC: 140
Core 0: +5
Core 1: -18
Core 2: -23
Core 3: -13
Core 4: -23
Core 5: -15
Core 6: -18
Core 7: -16

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lmao

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the +5 is hilarious

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:32 AM

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short blade and needed +5 for 200 fmax lmao

the boost override?

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:33 AM

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yeah

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:33 AM

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all my cores on CCD0 do 5.25GHz

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 10:34 AM

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stock boost was 4.85 on the 5800x

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I did observe some of the better cores doing 4.95-4.975 under single core load so the +200 fmax was doing something I guess

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core 0 never exceeded 4.775 though lmao

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that core 0 was trying its best I guess

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going to bed now gn

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 10:36 AM

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Good night.

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 11:15 AM

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@sudden torrent are you available?

sudden torrent Jan 18, 2025, 11:15 AM

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Just for a few minutes

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 11:15 AM

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So I have been working on cores 5 and 6

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I noticed after I changed the offset from -33 to -38 it appears my scores dropped?

sudden torrent Jan 18, 2025, 11:16 AM

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Regression means it's error correcting so it's not stable

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 11:16 AM

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Gotcha

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thank you.

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So I need to work the offsets down till there is no regression

sudden torrent Jan 18, 2025, 11:17 AM

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Yep one more thing to add to the list of things to watch for

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 11:37 AM

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CO that pass VST3.

40
38
28
28
25
30
38

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Using this as a notekeeper for the moment

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went back to the same co and thermal throttle limit I had set when I was scoring 1.8 in vst

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let's see what my baseline is right now

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 12:45 PM

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Something weird is going on

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At the same settings my scores are around 1.44

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@sudden torrent is there anything I can use to find out why my CPU is not performing as well?

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Temps are more than fine

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55c under load

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 1:06 PM

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Fixed!

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I am back to scoring an average of 1.49

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I played around with the thermal throttle limit and it seems my system like 95c

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as a result of the change allowing for higher sustained boost clocks my load temps have also gone up by about 3c

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 1:28 PM

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Ahh, I found the cause.

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@sudden torrent it's due to how much memory vst3 is using.

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The more memory vst3 uses the lower my score whereas if it's using a small amount then my score is through the roof.

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I simulated this by booting up vst3 while there was little available ram causing the program to only allocate a 3rd of my total ram and now it's completing tests extremely fast at a score of 1.73 average

steady lance Jan 18, 2025, 1:52 PM

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I am standardizing my tests to only when VST3 is using 1.65-1.66GiB of ram

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For consistency in results

short blade Jan 18, 2025, 4:42 PM

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clock stretching is a thing when you're pushing CO

steady lance Jan 19, 2025, 12:39 AM

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short blade clock stretching is a thing when you're pushing CO

Mhmm, learned the hard way.

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@short blade, @sudden torrent do you guys have any experience with Curve Shaper? My board has the option for it.

sudden torrent Jan 19, 2025, 1:08 AM

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That's exclusive to 9000 series

steady lance Jan 19, 2025, 1:54 AM

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sudden torrent That's exclusive to 9000 series

ahh rip

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by the way, @sudden torrent I ran P95 for 7 hours right after a overnight run of VST3. Max temps recorded are 71.4c with an average temp across all sensors of 60c.

proven canopy Jan 19, 2025, 7:27 AM

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Just post pics of the screenshot with zentimings and relevant hwinfo tabs visible

steady lance Jan 19, 2025, 10:33 AM

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@sudden torrent check this out! 4.725-4.7GHz all core on CCD0. Till now both my previous and current one have never been able to maintain beyond 4.6GHz on CCD0 consistently.

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Also my current CO offsets on CCD0 are:

-40
-38
-28
-28
-23
-28
-20
-25

steady lance Jan 19, 2025, 10:57 AM

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hmm

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getting errors since applying a co to core 7

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I think we found the problem child

steady lance Jan 19, 2025, 11:38 AM

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@sudden torrent, @kind walrus I finally found the problem child

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It's been core 7 this whole time.

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For some reason when core 7 of 0-7 from CCD0 has a negative offset applied it causes the entire CCD to go into this hyper boost mode of some sort where every core on the CCD not only clocks a solid +100-150mhz faster in all core loads but also causes the whea errors and somehow resulting in CCD1 being unstable

steady lance Jan 19, 2025, 12:05 PM

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Found a co value that core 7 likes!

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now all cores on CCD0 can do 4.75GHz all core as the new norm from 4.6Ghz

steady lance Jan 19, 2025, 12:28 PM

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welp seems core 7 needs more adjustments

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I am gonna go to bed. have a good one folks.

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 1:05 AM

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I changed the CO to -10 on core 7 right before zi went to sleep.

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It has passed 11h30m of P95

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 3:15 AM

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@sudden torrent I am scoring 1.51 10*10^2 on average in VST3!!! Also passed 11h30m of P95 small ffts.

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:46 AM

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I am going to start working on CCD1

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CO values on CCD0:
Negative Values

40
38
28
28
20
28
23
10 (the finicky one)

Average score of 1.51 * 10*10^2 in Y-Cruncher VST3 from 1.45 average prior to CO tuning

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 9:50 AM

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You can simplify 10^10 as e10, so it would be 1.51e10

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:50 AM

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Ahh thank you.

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 9:50 AM

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Just to save you a few button presses

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:51 AM

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How are the results so far?

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I have put these cores through hell and back

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P95, CC, Y-C VST3, CR24, Gaming (various)

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 9:52 AM

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Looking pretty good so far yeah

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:52 AM

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sudden torrent Looking pretty good so far yeah

11h30m of P95 the peak temperature was 74c with an average of about 60c

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Highest temperature by far was CR24 at 81c

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using the CPU tclk measuremant in HWinfo

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 9:54 AM

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About where I'd expect it

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:55 AM

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@sudden torrent I somewhat feel tempted to opt for non RGB fans and use led add-ons for lighting. thoughts? So I can get lighting while having high performance fans

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 9:55 AM

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If you get the right fans that's not a compromise you need to make

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That's only an issue on super low budget ones

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Like $3 a fan budget

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:56 AM

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Currently are there any genuinely good argb fans? I would like to mod them later on by adding in a fan cover that has crystals on it for Project Geode.

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I will just save up enough to get the fans

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 9:58 AM

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The thermalright C12 series is good for lower budget, $6-7 a fan and they're about as good as arctic P12

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:58 AM

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something like the how the fan in the top right corner is covered

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I plan to make some fan covers that look like that and add over the fan for decoration

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 9:59 AM

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I don't know how thermalright does it. Ridiculously cheap but still good. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

Thermalright TL-C12C-S X3 66.17 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack (TL-C12C-S X...

Thermalright TL-C12C-S X3 66.17 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack (TL-C12C-S X3 D6)

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 9:59 AM

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are there any fans better than the arctics while having lots of lighting?

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I was prepared to hear you say I'd need to save up $300 for 10 fans or so

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:00 AM

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I would never recommend fans that cost $30 each

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That's just wasteful

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:01 AM

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definitely a brand tax

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or something is going on

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When I was considering no rgb I thought about the Alphacool Stealth fans

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the 3000rpm ones

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:02 AM

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If you're referring to the Corsair and Lian Li fans for the brand tax, they blow, and not in the good way you want a fan to

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:02 AM

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rip

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https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-500-2000-Connection-Reversable-CL-F167-PL12SW/dp/B0CCQ8PQB8/ref=sr_1_9?crid=23G86IGOV5Z8L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z9jVYx4q12B4Xg-3OcjUzBxab1DYpZ8BnRcUOnRPbLF2WmV2NocH-KNkyCJCtqIehDXAq596J1A58rMo-rpr4O7EgHyWxdz6lRyb__nEFgIMZza0ljiySjVHxG8SpuPi3y-xm8puUavv6n81ufD7pWYym8y8-lreEg8sSr8XKxH08AbdZYmVgiEAZfO_UiBbaE8Eqeowt74GPYGuhDNI1Vy6cY_71wA3Y9mzEi4VegcYE1ztcvh7z6kahmS_kdmk8ds_Q9hS3QoOklTIDz7rXj_6lVB55Se0MtZk771h1cNJRoCp8Zn7jG66y02B-LXKbZXfk_Lt0l7BYAX2iXPLxxQOP7fq7Cw3vJNPBBLnN3M.ZIrDWIxnP0DT17sITLHXjIXORJAqj2tQtoU7jIFNLkE&dib_tag=se&keywords=argb%2Bfan&qid=1737367328&s=industrial&sprefix=argb%2Bfan%2Cindustrial%2C200&sr=1-9&th=1

Thermaltake SWAFAN EX 12 ARGB PC Cooling Fan, 3-Fan pcak, 500~2000 ...

SWAFAN EX12 ARGB brings magnetic force design to ARGB fans while keeping the iconic swappable fan blade design. Daisy-chaining up to 3 fans per cable improves fan connection efficiency and convenience while enhancing cable management for PC building. This design keeps the assembly process simple ...

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I keep seeing these

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are they good or bad?

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:04 AM

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Oh that's the one with reversible fan blades

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It's a gimmick

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They're not great

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:05 AM

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welp they're out then.

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i thought the concept was cool

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:05 AM

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Yeah it's a cool idea but they compromised too much to make it happen

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https://hwbusters.com/cooling/thermaltake-swafan-ex-12-argb-sync-fan-review/10/

The performance of the SWAFAN EX 12 ARGB Sync didn’t impress me. You should look elsewhere if you want a fan with strong airflow and decent static pressure in the below 30 dBA range. For example, at 25 dBA, the Phanteks T30-120 achieves the highest airflow at 54.14 CFM, with the XPG Nidec Vento Pro 120 following.

Hardware Busters

crmaris

Thermaltake SWAFAN EX 12 ARGB Sync Fan Review - Page 10 of 10 - Har...

Hardware Busters - Thermaltake SWAFAN EX 12 ARGB Sync Fan Review - Cooling

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:06 AM

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Isn't the T30 no argb?

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:06 AM

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T30 is an older model but still really good. Mostly because it's thicker than the usual 25mm fan.

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Correct no rgb

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:07 AM

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https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-D30-140-Performance-Lighting-Daisy-Chain/dp/B0CK113JH2/ref=sr_1_5?crid=23FK0BNQ21WEB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mWxWTbejaBGuypMmymLHSuelbsQoWl6OpRtTmGntzJLMb3uvHe4W5Mati7e9OadRV4fkdHQmj5J59gkPvV-su6H6c-XdL4iC-0UxGFq8E3XWAwehVxXLmFopEJFlcWyquWkUPkLWKgEKBa2T2tGZehWhZyElJqk3FGHRc5LsPpVnF8DioRbZO-Sps3C92n9LxJFY-a2RTvM1PxWcn5jF1G1wyznQu_nwL_lF30fW4KxUmaJmcXU9a4UvPnmnQvypnmMWGXVsrx_KtMK5UC0mPnmQzqG_tQGUIL2elAcr6HmIWgm9oKjLGz4QEUUpGflK7Uw2aoc15u5ZG5lM6biKXBm_-T9a4l9X-xVGH17l3Z8.MnrwA7z5xjck5JQlz5mCdeQn3Ply4Q8J19ox8Qrjlbo&dib_tag=se&keywords=phanteks%2Bt30&qid=1737367589&s=industrial&sprefix=phanteks%2Bt30%2Cindustrial%2C197&sr=1-5&th=1

Phanteks D30-140 DRGB PWM Fan 3Pack, Premium D-RGB Performance Fans...

The D30-140 combines premium D-RGB lighting with 30 mm thick and aerodynamic fan blades inspired by the ultimate T30 fan, which makes it a true premium D-RGB fan for modern systems. The D30-140 comes in two airflow direction models, regular and reversed. This unique option allows for the ultimate...

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is the D30 their T30 model with argb?

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:08 AM

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Seems like they're slightly worse than their T30

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But slightly worse still puts them near the top

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:09 AM

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hmm and I assume beats the arctics?

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I am not ecstatic about the idea of getting more arctics since I had 6 fans essentially die on me in the last 2 years.

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1 actually dead, all with bearing damage.

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:10 AM

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Easily beats them, but you do need to plan for the thicker fans

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:10 AM

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sudden torrent Easily beats them, but you do need to plan for the thicker fans

Beauty of a Torrent. I doubt there'd be any issues?

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:11 AM

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How thick were the 180s again? Because I can fit my 180s below my ATX mobo

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But it's a VERY tight fit

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No room for cable management

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:12 AM

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38mm @sudden torrent assuming the rgb version

sudden torrent Jan 20, 2025, 10:12 AM

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Should be the same for both rgb and non

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That should leave you plenty of room for cabling still then

steady lance Jan 20, 2025, 10:12 AM

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same