#overclocking

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alpine mantle
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Who knew that math would make ram turn unstable

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It probably hates the calculations/formulas

mental turret
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Nope

short blade
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sad

mental turret
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There's a couple 4xxx-something dual rank S8B sticks I could test

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But yea they're a higher bin than yours

finite frigate
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balls

restive cargo
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Serisoley

finite frigate
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see you guys in 12 hours

mental turret
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VST>

short blade
wheat lintel
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Uhh, my ram grew a XMP profile???

mental turret
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"grew"? lol

alpine mantle
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Y-cruncher VST hits hard on raptorlake ngl

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I had to find the right SA to stabilize it

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And im STILL NOT DONE WITH THIS TRASH AH OC

sudden torrent
# wheat lintel Uhh, my ram grew a XMP profile???

I assume you're talking about EXPO memory? Yeah DDR5 can have up to 5 profiles, 3 factory set (EXPO/XMP) and 2 user programmable. You might have 2 EXPO profiles and one XMP, or vice versa. Or the factory could be lazy and only program 1 profile.

wheat lintel
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Never had a XMP profile

kind walrus
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I didn't know there was a stardew valley aspect to ram

sudden torrent
wheat lintel
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100%, only ever used it on forkโ€™s iso

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Itโ€™s gone now after I restarted my PC a few times but it was weird

sudden torrent
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Trippy

wheat lintel
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Either way, I got 7800 posting again now to just try to get it to stop erroring

sudden torrent
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The jedec bin for 6400 is also slightly higher than that. 46, 52, or 56. The only thing I can think of is the motherboard doing weird things like an auto generated profile.

wheat lintel
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Yeah JEDEC bin for this ram is 5600c46-46-46

alpine mantle
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Anybody got a good way of finding memory errors fast?

sudden torrent
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Ycruncher VST

alpine mantle
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I've tried various programs like tm5 absolut, ycruncher vst, occt mem avx2 and sse, also prime95

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All in 2 hours tho

sudden torrent
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Ah, well you're probably stable enough for gaming or benching then

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If you need 100% rock stable never crashes ever you want a 48 hour test

alpine mantle
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Na man im not even halfway done with the timings XD

alpine mantle
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Ycruncher VST does find errors but thats tied to the mem controller imo

short blade
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take the plunge

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purchase karhu

alpine mantle
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No

short blade
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with the amount of time you've spent on this it's unironically worth it

sudden torrent
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I'll adjust a couple timings and run VST for 15 minutes, call it stable enough, and move on to the next timings

short blade
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IME karhu is just better than everything else lol there's a reason it's paid software ig

sudden torrent
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And if you're getting memory controller issues you're not stable

alpine mantle
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Right now i got HCI memtest running for the night before i go to sleep

alpine mantle
short blade
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karhu can find errors in 1 minute that VST, FFT, TM5 can't find in 168 hours and HCI takes 1 hour to find

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HCI is probably the best for this platform if you rule out karhu

alpine mantle
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But... Y-cruncher fricken pi 1b and 2.5b will troll me

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With that stupid coefficient error

short blade
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is your cpu at stock btw?

alpine mantle
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That was yesterday doe

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No

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Before you blame the cpu...

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The thing was is that if i dont oc it, i get errors for some odd reason

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Its like the ram likes the 4.8ghz ring oc and such

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I tried linpack and had no errors

sudden torrent
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Probably it likes the increased voltage more than that

alpine mantle
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The funny thing is, i kept the voltage the same when its not overclocked

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And instability happens

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Yo... My rig is really weird

alpine mantle
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So imma wait 13 more hours (full 15 hour run) to ensure it works

short blade
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look at this guy, thinking 15 hours is enough for raptor lake

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hahahaha

alpine mantle
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๐Ÿ—ฟ

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It's just for one timing change tho

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To save time and after all this I'll let it run for days

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I haven't been using my pc for nearly a week

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  • data loss
short blade
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life is better after giving up and settling for 3600

alpine mantle
short blade
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no more worrying about anything

alpine mantle
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I have a 3600CL16 tweaked profile that i want to revert to

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4000mhz CL18 doesn't seem worth it

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It's too much stress for crapperlake

short blade
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i just saved the 4133 as a bench oc profile

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and am happily dailying low freq now

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running tighter timings than 4133 so it's really not significantly worse in gaming

alpine mantle
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Hey man if its stable its good

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Infact better than xmp atleast

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If i give up ill load up my 3600 tune and call it a day

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Ffs

sudden torrent
short blade
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i just don't care enough to find the max freq i can run without any boot to boot variance

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tight 3600 is fine

short blade
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not even close

alpine mantle
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I checked thaiphoon burner (i know this software aint 100% correct) and it reports the ram as A-die (22nm)

short blade
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it's not like i just downclocked 4133 to 3600 and called it a day

sudden torrent
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Yeah I had 3800 stable for a bit but it didn't survive a retrain

alpine mantle
short blade
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all the timings are redone as well

alpine mantle
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Especially with the extra tweaks

short blade
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dropped from 2T to real 1T

alpine mantle
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Finally

short blade
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dropped all primaries

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dropped tWR and tRTP

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dropped tCWL

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dropped RTLs a lot

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dropped tRDRD_sg and tWRWR_sg

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dropped all tRDWRs

alpine mantle
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trrds/trrdl/tfaw made my ram perform worse, so im skipping that

alpine mantle
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Tcwl is my next timing to tweak

short blade
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i can get 4133 to survive 100 retrains

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and then it fails the 101st and ruins a gaming session for all of my friends

alpine mantle
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Did you put your mobo on slow training? @short blade

short blade
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no

alpine mantle
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Mines on auto

short blade
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i put it on disabled

sudden torrent
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I maxed my training times

alpine mantle
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So how does it exactly work?

short blade
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it doesn't help even if i have it do a full retrain on every boot lol

alpine mantle
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Oh

short blade
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it autos to disabled

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disabled means it won't do a full retrain if you just boot without changing timings

alpine mantle
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I see

short blade
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did you notice the orange dram light takes much longer when you change timings

alpine mantle
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YEs

short blade
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that's why

alpine mantle
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Annoying ass light when i see red

short blade
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it's doing a full retrain when you change anything ram related

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but otherwise it doesn't bother

alpine mantle
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Oooooooo

short blade
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changing cpu voltages won't trigger full retrain either

alpine mantle
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Only timings does iirc

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Wait no

short blade
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SA, VDDQ, e-core L2, some of the PLLs, VTT, VDIMM, and VPP will

alpine mantle
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Mem freq

short blade
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as well as any memory setting obviously

alpine mantle
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I have no clue on e-core ll2

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I left that on auto

short blade
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well

alpine mantle
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VTT doesn't seem to work

short blade
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it's a pretty important voltage lol

alpine mantle
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Me don no

short blade
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i found values between 1.2-1.25 to be helpful for 4133

alpine mantle
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How much does it affect your wattage/thermals?

short blade
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not measurable

sudden torrent
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If your CPU cooling is good it's not significant

short blade
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pretty sure we're talking about fractions of watts difference here

alpine mantle
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Ok

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Man... I wish there was an all round test (free of course) that would detect errors fast, tells you what's wrong and what to do to fix it... Bro, i know its unrealistic but if it ever happened, that developer would be a hero

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So much time saved lmao

sudden torrent
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When things try to be an everything program it rarely goes well

alpine mantle
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True...

sudden torrent
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Take OCCT for example

alpine mantle
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OCCT got a bunch of stuff

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Linpack imo is their strongest test

short blade
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what's wrong with occt

sudden torrent
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It failed to detect any issues with my GPU even though I'd crash almost immediately loading 3dmark

short blade
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interesting

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I have the opposite experience on almost every gpu I've ever tried

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you can get absolute meme ocs through 3dmark

alpine mantle
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Different instructions be messing with components

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And 3dmark hits hard on gpu

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Especially timespy for some reason

short blade
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usually can run time spy like 150mhz higher than what's actually stable

sudden torrent
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Nah I mean it crashed loading 3dmark
As in when it's detecting hardware

alpine mantle
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My 6700xt would crash on timespy with unstable clocks but would pass something like superposition or occt

sudden torrent
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But the VRAM test didn't find jack

short blade
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3dmark loading applies a stress load to cpu and gpu, not the hardest though

sudden torrent
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Yep so it can detect the max clocks

short blade
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I find occt 3d to be a pretty good test as long as you adjust shader complexity/usage limit low enough to not power throttle

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definitely better than anything in 3dmark

alpine mantle
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Just did 2 hours of HCI on my CL18-20-20-40 ram, so far no errors

short blade
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usually have to run shader complexity 1 with GPU usage limit at like 60

sudden torrent
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Hmm. Do you think it'll help my temp sensitivity issues if I delid my rams and slap on a bunch of rpi heatsinks?

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That's all that's really keeping me from running 1.6v daily

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I got 3800 c13 to post at 1.65v

short blade
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i was gonna offer you my spare ddr3 heatsinks

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but then i remembered you run 4 dimm

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๐Ÿ’€

sudden torrent
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Yeah

short blade
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i only got 2 left

sudden torrent
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Hmm I think 7mm should be just the right height to fit between sticks https://www.amazon.com/Easycargo-Heatsink-14x14x7mm-Conductive-14mmx14mmx7mm/dp/B079FP1FWR

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At least each stick is only single rank

wheat lintel
restive cargo
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Gonna overclockt he Tesla

sudden torrent
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I'm going to assume you mean the Tesla GPU and not your car

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I'd love to see someone overclock a car though lol

alpine mantle
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Overclocking the tesla so it can do 0-60 in .4 seconds

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(gone wrong literally)

alpine mantle
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Real

sudden torrent
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Oh, well, someone already did this apparently https://ingenext.ca/products/ghost-upgrade?variant=39621778833599

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+150HP with a little attachment

proven canopy
sudden torrent
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That's an insane frequency on that CPU! It doesn't let you desync fclk

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I never would have dreamed of getting a 2700x to 2066 fclk, I can barely do it on a newer cpu lol

proven canopy
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Very impressive indeed

mental turret
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current first place used 3200g, iirc there's a minor difference but i forget

sudden torrent
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Minor? It's an APU! It's VERY different. Monolithic for one, so it can run much higher frequency without desync.

mental turret
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pretty sure the 2700x is as well

sudden torrent
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No it's chiplet

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Hmm actually no I think you're right

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I forgot they didn't do any higher than 2700X in that gen and kept it monolithic

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Ah right and the 1950X was technically threadripper

finite frigate
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its like actually pretty interesting

alpine mantle
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I give up on the 4000mhz ram oc

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Im clocking down to 3700 to see if i can fine tune it

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I still got the 3600mhz stable profile so ill do that if this method fails

sudden torrent
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3800 is often more stable than 3733 for sync reasons

alpine mantle
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On raptorlake?

sudden torrent
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On everything

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Even numbers and all that

alpine mantle
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Huh i see

finite frigate
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do 3733, it is much easier to get stable

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this applies to modern platforms too

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well, more modern

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1.33 ratios over anything basically

alpine mantle
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3700mhz boots no problem

finite frigate
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yes, do 3733 or 3866 lol

sudden torrent
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Ah true that does assume you can get G1

alpine mantle
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That's 133mhz, its unstable for me xD

finite frigate
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zen behaves differently, you want even numbers on all of it basically

finite frigate
ancient bridge
mental turret
finite frigate
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can i take

ancient bridge
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no

finite frigate
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why

ancient bridge
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Cause

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uhhh

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Ur a pot head

sudden torrent
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Only if it's the good kind of pot

mental turret
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Volcano X >

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It's official. Far(t) XOC Lab's binning department is now operational

finite frigate
finite frigate
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pb is 14.141 rn

proven canopy
finite frigate
proven canopy
ancient bridge
finite frigate
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LOL THAT TURBO VCORE INSTALL

finite frigate
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i wouldnโ€™t be able to fit them under my aio

alpine mantle
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Even 3700mhz won't work

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Wasted all my time + data for nothing

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Never doing this crap ram oc again...

finite frigate
alpine mantle
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I have a safe 3600 profile tune i did a while back

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I'm just gonna skip mem oc entirely

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Its not worth it

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Doing one final HCI run before I install windows on my nvme and call it a day

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It's been nearly a week

finite frigate
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32768 trefi, 4/4 TRRD_S+L 16 tfaw

alpine mantle
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Even touching trefi would bring errors

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The kit is trash

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The solution is to buy a better kit, turn on xmp, and forget

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And raptorlake is a pain to figure out

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So im not wasting more time on this

finite frigate
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any tuned kit is going to beat literally any xmp

alpine mantle
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Bro... Im done with this ok, I'm not going to risk losing data for some fps bump

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Even if im using a flash drive as a temp os

finite frigate
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we are not the same

alpine mantle
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Oh well

finite frigate
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i do anything for .3% fps more, youre happy with your rig B)

alpine mantle
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Yea i had the same mentality days before, not anymore

sudden torrent
finite frigate
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a wise mushroom can shut up cause he spent like4 months on his tune

alpine mantle
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I spent a few days tuning my 3200mhz kit to stable 3600mhz

sudden torrent
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Exactly, learn from the mushroom's mistakes

alpine mantle
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I should've stopped there before i saw that new bios update not too long ago

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Man i wish i can go back

finite frigate
alpine mantle
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Overclocking over XMP is far more easier than overclocking it off imo

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But that's just me

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Anyhow, I'll run linpack tomorrow to ensure my cpu is not going bonkers

finite frigate
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youre supposed to leave XMP on when you oc

alpine mantle
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Cya

finite frigate
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my msi z270 board literally wouldnt oc mem unless you had oc on

alpine mantle
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It was when turning it off made a difference

finite frigate
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weird

alpine mantle
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It is weird im tella ya

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That's why i had a hard time

finite frigate
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skill issue L

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sm smh

alpine mantle
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Bruh how lmao

finite frigate
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(i love you good luck on 3600)

alpine mantle
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Ah thanks

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It should work, but if i see one error tomorrow morning I'll lose my mind XD

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Aight cya fr

finite frigate
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meanwhile im restarting my 3733 tune

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the odd feeling that its unstable looms over me

sudden torrent
wheat lintel
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I manually turn them on and itโ€™s been almost exactly the same as having XMP on while overclocking

finite frigate
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thats the wack part, i have turned them on

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any form of mem oc you did wouldnt apply without XMP on

wheat lintel
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Oh thatโ€™s really wack then

finite frigate
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it would just go to the highest rated jedec spec the sticks were

alpine mantle
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Wow... Even with my "stable 3600 tune" ITS STILL GETS ERRORS

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This kit is TRASH

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im fricking done

ancient bridge
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DONT YOU GET THAT

alpine mantle
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I get it now

ancient bridge
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๐Ÿ˜ญ

alpine mantle
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Either the kit is ass
Or the whole platform is

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Im running linpack now to check if my cpu oc is fine ffs

ancient bridge
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im fine with 3900 if it alows me to play games without crashing

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would like 4000 but its a no go

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Spent too much time

alpine mantle
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It's not the games im worrying about, but keeping it stable enough to not get data loss

ancient bridge
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oh

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right

alpine mantle
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This whole ordeal is miserable

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Why waste days tuning ram when cpu/gpu matters more

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Atleast those two components don't corrupt your friggin data

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For just .02% fps increase

ancient bridge
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better frame times

alpine mantle
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-_-

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Man im used to crappy frametimes it doesn't matter

ancient bridge
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LOL

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real

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amd moment

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jkjk

alpine mantle
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Boi you know I don't have an amd cpu for years

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Lol

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Im now checking if 5.4 pcore/ 4.3 ecore/ 4.8 ring is stable in linpack for 2hours at 1.17v with an undervolt. If it is ill install windows @ancient bridge

alpine mantle
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Hey man, it detects errors faster than any other test i tried

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So if it can do 2 hours its stable as i never gotten any bsods

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How long do you stress your cpu lmao

ancient bridge
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LMFAO

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U dont need to

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12700k ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

alpine mantle
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Lol

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I'd rather stress for error free gaming danny

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And non gaming

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I got my 13600k bsoding when watching a video

ancient bridge
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I might just undervolt it

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Oc doesnt help much

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other than mem on that card

alpine mantle
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Speaking of undervolt i may tweak my gpu after this

ancient bridge
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Dont oc your daily ๐Ÿ‘

alpine mantle
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Fact

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I'd rather not touch ram for daily, unless im going for scores

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The other two definitely tho @ancient bridge

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As they are easier to fix

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Imo

ancient bridge
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true

ancient bridge
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Slov blew up more hardware while trying to upload a score

sterile flame
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No clue what happened but now it's not posting

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I thought I smelt smoke but dunno

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What do I do ๐Ÿ˜ญ

ancient bridge
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Bro does not know how to troubleshoot

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go get a multimmeter and test for power

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(I think ya killed it)

sterile flame
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This?

ancient bridge
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For everyone wondering

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(It lit on fire)

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Voltage was jumping all over

mental turret
sterile flame
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The smoke smells awful

short blade
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bro don't inhale it ๐Ÿ’€ air out your room and go outside

ancient bridge
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Whats that

short blade
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a place with significantly less airborne cancer than his room rn

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๐Ÿ’€

sterile flame
restive cargo
sterile flame
alpine mantle
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I managed to oc to my 13600k to something pretty good/stable

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5.4 ghz pcore
4.3 ghz ecore
4.8 ghz ring
At 1.17v adaptive with an offset of -0.050v

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So its around 1.18-1.186v full load

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After looking at my xmp default speeds/latency, its pretty dang bad but I'll live with it

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Now testing a whopping 5.5ghz under 1.2v using r23

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I hope windows 10 doesn't mess with the multicore too much

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Ah it crashed lmao

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Aight 5.4 is my best result under 1.2v

short blade
alpine mantle
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Yes

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I legit give up

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It's that bad

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Even my safe 3600mhz tune had 1 error on a 12 hour HCI overnight run

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Wtf is the point

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Cpu maxing out at 172w cinebench r23

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Pretty dang good imo

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Has enough temp to turbo 5.4ghz

short blade
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sounds like a subtimings issue

alpine mantle
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Oh well

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It's fine, my mystery kit is not even good

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There's barely any useful data about it

wheat lintel
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Just set tRRDS/L/tFAW to 4/6/16 and tREFI to 42069 and call it a day if you want easy

alpine mantle
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Bruh lol

mental turret
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STAY JEALOUS OF MY DDR3

latent wave
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i did a thing, 2x trident z5 neo 32gb 6000 cl30

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my first manual ram tune. Followed a guide, now it's time to do it myself

sudden torrent
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Cinebench doesn't care about memory much at all, as long as it's not so slow it's an obvious bottleneck like using DDR4 2133 on a 13900k

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Nicely done shaving some time off y-cruncher though

latent wave
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oh ok ill stop testing cinebench. Wish my luck i dont even know what an fclk is

sudden torrent
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All you really need to worry about with fclk is getting it as high as you can while it's still stable

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You don't need to sync it or anything

proven canopy
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Test with 7zip, ycruncher, and if you want - x265 and geek3

latent wave
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how much faster does ram get from here (on AM5)? Is sub 300 on y cruncher unreasonable?

sudden torrent
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From here it depends on your luck. Sub 300 is possible.

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You've done the "safe" overclock so far with the EZ mem timings, now it's going to be about how far you can push it

proven canopy
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10b?

latent wave
proven canopy
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Which ycruncher

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Run it through benchmate

latent wave
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the newest one?

proven canopy
sudden torrent
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10b calculation mode, so it's calculating 10 billion digits of pi

latent wave
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ill have to go check, whatever the 44gb option is

proven canopy
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Yeah, that's 10b

wheat lintel
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Is that the 32 or 64Gb kit?

latent wave
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the kit

proven canopy
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1b needs 4.3GB, 2.5 12 GB or something, 10b 44.3 GB I think

wheat lintel
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Finally some competition, I got the same kit that Iโ€™ve been working on tuning. Still not done yet

sudden torrent
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Is a memory overclock ever really done though? There's always one last thing to tweak, one last voltage to bump...

wheat lintel
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Yep thatโ€™s the one I also got

sudden torrent
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And oops now there's a bios update so you have to start over

latent wave
wheat lintel
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Iโ€™m on a 13900k

latent wave
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7800x3d

wheat lintel
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Yeahhh

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Itโ€™ll affect because FCLK stupid

sudden torrent
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Biiiiiig difference there

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Even if you run the 13900k in 8p mode

latent wave
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could we battle over specfic timings?

wheat lintel
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Im thinking about buying an AM5 platform in a month or two

sudden torrent
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Some timings would be comparable but overall no the two platforms are too different

wheat lintel
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^

latent wave
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i support, 7800x3d ftw(3)

wheat lintel
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3d vcache useless in everything except gaming

latent wave
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it is very much a gaming cpu ye

sudden torrent
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I disagree, it's also useful in some AI processing

wheat lintel
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Isnโ€™t AI mostly gpu?

latent wave
sudden torrent
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It depends

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And yes that would make the 7950X3D best at those specific ones

wheat lintel
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Personally for me, 13900k whoops anything else out there

latent wave
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crys but 13900KS

wheat lintel
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Better silicon and thatโ€™s it

sudden torrent
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How's your power supply holding up with that OC 13900K? kekw

latent wave
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or get a KF cause some of those are just KS with a failed igpu

latent wave
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how ru cooling it?

wheat lintel
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May or may not have tripped a few breakers here and there

latent wave
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oh nice

proven canopy
latent wave
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sidenote, anyone know if college dorm wattage usage is monitored or can i crypto mine off the free electrictiy

proven canopy
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I could've run two, but the cables didn't reach

wheat lintel
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We did it, and we got shut down after a few weeks

proven canopy
latent wave
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i need the 4090 for excel

mental turret
wheat lintel
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4090 sucks for mining

sudden torrent
proven canopy
sudden torrent
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Roomate turns on a microwave and power goes out lol

wheat lintel
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My suitemates moved into my room when we were mining because their room was unlivable

proven canopy
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Mythical ran cables in from his neighboring rooms through the drop ceiling and ran a few KW of antminer asics

latent wave
wheat lintel
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Iโ€™m tripping a 25A breaker using two modded 14k BTU ACs and 2 PCs

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Good times

proven canopy
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Modded?

wheat lintel
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I replaced the thermistor circuit in them to let me cool lower than 60F

proven canopy
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And you need two of them? Do you live in phoenix?

wheat lintel
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And they were cheap

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I live in NY kekw

proven canopy
#

I just chopped the ntc thermistor off my 15k unit - soon to be single stage

#

Found it in the shed, just needed a $15 capacitor

wheat lintel
#

I can get my ambient to be around 5-6C

proven canopy
#

What refrigerant do they use? I assume r410a?

wheat lintel
#

Middle of the summer in a winter jacket

wheat lintel
#

Only issue rn is sometimes dealing with the radiator fins freezing over

#

Well coils but it spreads to the fins too

latent wave
#

plus im going to school up north so its mostly cold

wheat lintel
#

I go to school in upstate NY, and it still gets extremely hot if mining

#

We were mining in -20F weather and the room still was hitting almost 100F sometimes

sudden torrent
#

Run it 24/7 getting $0.30 an hour and you can get a $60 game every 8-9 days

#

Not including transaction/pool fees so probably closer to 9

wheat lintel
#

Found something for you

sudden torrent
#

A bunch of it is sodimm though

#

But jfc 1152 DDR3-1600 sticks

#

Offer 3k and they might just take it

mental turret
#

wow they must be really lazy

#

really just threw all their mem into one listing lol

wheat lintel
#

Now if we all pitch in a bit we could get a wegg hwbot team ram stash kekw

sudden torrent
#

The question is who gets to store all those sticks

#

That's a few square feet worth of ram

#

Ooh and I just realized we have no way of telling if any/all of it is rdimm

#

Like those 16GB DDR3 sticks could totally be ECC RDIMM

kind walrus
#

Let's store it in Australia

#

this is by far the most central place for the Newegg HWBot American team

wheat lintel
#

Airport ram OC go hard

zenith palm
#

bomb has been planted

sudden torrent
#

"The terrorists have won this round"
Old lady next to you starts panicking

ancient bridge
#

LMFAOO

alpine mantle
#

๐Ÿ’€

wheat lintel
sudden torrent
#

I think my next benching platform will be my old laptop, if I can get the GPU to play nice with Windows.
There's not a lot of S1G4 processors that have been benched on hwbot, so I stand to gain tons of points if I just buy up all of the processors that can fit in the socket.
Cooling is easy, I already replaced the stock fan with a better one and the laptop is sadly limited to 35W processors. Which isn't too bad considering it came with a 25W single core model. (If only I could find that old processor... I'd bench it too)

#

A quick bios mod (and hopefully not bricking it) and I should be able to do some minimal overclocking at least.

#

Each processor is an easy on the wallet $15 or less

mental turret
#

laptop

#

x79 is pretty cheap to get into ๐Ÿฅฑ

#

hey you can have an x79 laptop too

sudden torrent
#

Yeah I TRIED THAT remember?

mental turret
#

fluke

sudden torrent
#

$15 is a lot cheaper than $90

sudden torrent
#

You know your laptop is slow when 3dmark's recommended bench is ice storm

ancient bridge
mental turret
#

3dmark doesnt reccommend a bench because my laptop doesnt work

ancient bridge
#

x79 lappy seems fire

mental turret
#

assuming i can fix it

#

theres basically 0 info on this laptop when it comes to repairability

#

these things are so rare these days

#

no parts for it either, or they're insanely marked-up

sudden torrent
#

All it can run is Ice Storm and Cloud Gate, no DX11 PepeHands
And cloud gate runs at 3 fps

#

A whole 720 pts

#

644 on graphics

proven canopy
#

I think there's a steam achievement for 666 points TS or something

sudden torrent
#

I think there used to be but it's not showing any more. There used to be one called "leet treat" if you get a score that had 1337 in it too.

#

3dmark '05 runs at a solid 15 fps

#

On a laptop from 2010

ancient bridge
sudden torrent
#

It's ok I'll figure out what part of this encrypted bios is controlling the GPU clock speed and I'll get it from 505 to 550 at a minimum, I'm just running baseline stuff right now

#

I already got as far as decrypting it, now I play around

#

Cooling isn't an issue, I'm hovering at about 60C with zero help or mods

latent wave
#

should I disable ECC in bios for my ram.

#

Like I assume ECC would slow it down a but at the same time I will be using this pc to run science stuff in R

sudden torrent
#

ECC does slow it down a bit but if you need your calculations to be exact it's worth the trade

latent wave
#

ahh ok ill leave it on then

#

not gonna make any real world difference right?

sudden torrent
#

Probably nothing noticeable

sudden torrent
#

And I've just discovered that Afterburner can overclock my GPU after enabling "extend official overclocking limits" and "unofficial overclocking mode" amongusparty

#

No bios modding required

sudden torrent
#

๐Ÿ†

latent wave
#

heres an odd one. I set tCL to 30 in bios, boots as cl40.

#

all other timings are set to the what I set it to

latent wave
#

huh, cl38 boots as 38

sudden torrent
#

I've never seen a fps counter just read "0" before but apparently 3dmark vantage will on this gpu. I'm running at about 2 seconds per frame.

latent wave
#

spf

short blade
#

i got a reading of 0.3 fps in time spy extreme

#

3 seconds per frame lol

sudden torrent
#

I wish I could run time spy and see how bad it is but no dx12. Just 10.1 ๐Ÿ˜ญ

#

Welp the test finished after running for 20 minutes and producing a total of 682 frames

#

It gave me an error saying to lower the preset lmfao

wheat lintel
#

What gpu?

sudden torrent
#

Mobility Radeon HD 4250

#

Low end laptop GPU from 2010

wheat lintel
#

Ahh

#

Iโ€™m boutta be in the same boat with my FX3800 lol

#

Except it doesnโ€™t even have DX10

sudden torrent
#

Says 11.1

wheat lintel
#

Yep thatโ€™s it, weird everywhere Iโ€™ve seen says it only does DX9

sudden torrent
#

It's feature level is 10 though so it'll struggle in anything running 11

#

Like how mine is only feature level 9 but supports 10.1

#

Oh hey your FX card has the same performance as my 5770

#

1GB gang

wheat lintel
#

1GB gang

#

Also, you think itโ€™d be possible to delid this GPU?

#

Itโ€™s got an IHS

sudden torrent
#

Seems easy enough

wheat lintel
#

This thing is massive

sudden torrent
#

Not by modern standards but yes

#

I'm sure you can get some floss in there while you have the heat gun going, should be pretty straightforward

wheat lintel
#

Do you think Iโ€™d see an improvement in temps?

sudden torrent
#

If you get a good mount sure

finite frigate
sudden torrent
#

Oh what have I done? I started a pcmark vantage test and it's estimating it'll take 2 hours to complete...

#

Whatever I'll run it overnight

finite frigate
#

lol

proven canopy
#

Not worth delidding those

#

Especially since it's a quadro

latent wave
#

anyone else pay the $5 in the mail to memtestpro. It screams scam to me

zenith palm
#

Now that's what i call sus

finite frigate
#

buy karhu ram test

latent wave
#

for overnight test

finite frigate
#

tm5+anta extreme1/pcbdestroyer if youre not using karhu

#

ycruncher is good, probably wont guarantee stability

latent wave
#

ok

#

also side note, i got an y cruncher error after 2.5 hrs on cl38, my kit should be cl30. oh well

finite frigate
latent wave
#

yeah im using zen timings

finite frigate
#

id listen to zen timings over any other software

#

zen timings or bios

latent wave
finite frigate
#

really weird, what board is this?

latent wave
#

ace

finite frigate
#

ace is doing this?

latent wave
#

but when I set it to cl38, it boots as 38

#

ya

finite frigate
#

try 32,34,36, etc yknow

latent wave
#

x670e ace

#

but 38 gave errors so wont those also give erros?

finite frigate
#

true

#

yikes, what kit?

latent wave
#

like i already got it faster than expo thanks to actually hardcore oc but a bit annoying

finite frigate
#

are you trying like flat 30s or 38's?

#

this is a hynix kit, you wont be able to do flat timings

#

ex: 30-30-30

latent wave
#

sorry not familar with the lingo, flat means all primary timings are the same?

finite frigate
#

yeah

latent wave
#

whats the name of primary timings again i dont wanna pull up bios during my stress test

finite frigate
#

tCL, tRCD, tRP, tRAS

latent wave
#

so i have 40-40-40-28

finite frigate
#

you can just like screenshot your zen timings

latent wave
#

sry was looking for them but i got it

finite frigate
#

you could try 36-40-40

#

but honestly, probably not worth it

#

if you tuned anything else

latent wave
finite frigate
latent wave
#

38-40-40 is flat?

finite frigate
#

instead of 30-40-40

#

nah

#

so you were just changing tcl?

latent wave
#

yes
38-40-40-28 gave me the error i mentioned in y cruncher

finite frigate
#

ah

#

so damn, 40-40-40-28 it is

#

does make sense on a high capacity kit

latent wave
#

i never actually stress tested 40-40-40-28 so let me run that for 8 hrs

zenith palm
latent wave
#

so my pc randomly shut off during y cruncher lol

#

its an Event 41: kernal power. Guessing my ram oc istn stable

#

let me try tm5 and see what happens

finite frigate
#

and now we tune

#

after this passes what i set here anyways

latent wave
#

how long is a "pass" for anta extreme1

#

is like 2 hrs good?

sudden torrent
#

It has a finishing point where the test completes

#

Depending on size and speed of memory it can take 1-3 hours

latent wave
#

ahh ok. Whats a good overnight one?

#

or do I even need that

sudden torrent
#

You can always run ycruncher vst for as long as you want

#

It stops automatically on any errors too so you'll know by the fan noise dropping lol

zenith palm
#

On 13th gen ddr4, trying to lowerr trcdw(r?) from trcd(rd?) But it just is keeping the same timing as the trcd any ideas?

short blade
#

this OEM board has some fascinating bios settings

finite frigate
sudden torrent
#

Asrock OEM PG board goes hard

finite frigate
#

why am i doing multiple tunes

#

4533 gear 2 and 3733 gear 1 tunes

sudden torrent
#

Because you want to know what's the best you can do in any situation, whether that's a latency or raw bandwidth sensitive application

finite frigate
#

i do want to see latency on gear 2 high freq

#

i'll be mad at myself if i end up dailiying gear 2

#

god damnit the latency is kinda close

#

55ish ns vs 45ish ns on g1 full tune

#

and im not even done

#

๐Ÿ’€

sudden torrent
#

That is 20% more latency though

finite frigate
#

for like equal more in bandwidth

#

3733 is 59,728 max theoretical

ancient bridge
#

55 is like fine tho

#

I'd go with gear 2 ๐ŸŒš

finite frigate
#

if this ends up as a usable stable tune... maybe

#

4533 is a cool not loser freq to daily like 3733 is

#

gear 2 instabilities are what scare me

ancient bridge
kind walrus
#

4533 gear 2 sounds like it'll be a bit better

finite frigate
#

gear 2 is impossible to get fully stable

#

idk, we'll see how this ends up

#

4533 just sounds cooler than basic 3733

ancient bridge
#

4533pfff

#

4800 or bust

#

(My bdie struggles with 4200)

finite frigate
#

4800+ is impossible to get stable on 4 dimms

#

i can do it on 2

#

but i dont have 16gig dimms

ancient bridge
finite frigate
ancient bridge
#

Stable

finite frigate
#

thats like 24 cycles but still

short blade
#

it's a Z590-c/ac

#

bottom of the barrel

sudden torrent
#

Phantom Gaming is on the top of the bios, PG

short blade
#

look how long 64gb at xmp takes to test lmao

short blade
sudden torrent
#

Wack

finite frigate
#

are they doing 10th or is this rkl based?

finite frigate
#

it is dripping hynix

ancient bridge
#

Command rate 2 cringe

finite frigate
#

dr, 32gb dimms cr1 likely isnt possible]

latent wave
#

Turns of the ez mem tuning by actually hardcore oc is not stable on my ram

sudden torrent
#

Especially not at 7200MT/s

finite frigate
#

asrtc doesnt do real freq it does effective

finite frigate
sudden torrent
#

Ah right it's DDR4 I forgot

finite frigate
#

mhm

latent wave
#

Thatโ€™s fine, Iโ€™ll use expo as a starting point

sudden torrent
#

I just glanced at it lol

finite frigate
#

you can use stuff as a basis, but better off seeing how the die behaves online then tuning from recorded behavior

latent wave
#

Is one cycle of the extreme atat77 stable or should I do multiple. Currently at 2 hrs no errors

finite frigate
#

do the whole thing

#

u ntil tm5 says "testing of errors is completed"

latent wave
#

So itโ€™s normal for it to cycle a few times, got it

finite frigate
#

i believe extreme1 is 3 or 5 cycles

sudden torrent
#

That depends, how stable are you looking for? If you need it gaming stable, then once the test finishes I'd call it good. If you need it production stable, you need a 48 hour test minimum.

finite frigate
#

my preferred short-test is 32 cycles and takes about an hour and 40 minutes to complete fully on 32gb

latent wave
#

I currently only need gaming

finite frigate
#

i would do all 3/5 cycles of anta

#

then call it good

latent wave
#

I could always revert to expo for productivity stuff

short blade
finite frigate
#

oh

short blade
#

found something interesting btw

sudden torrent
#

Production you want to revert to jedec tbh, even expo needs to be tested in serious workloads

finite frigate
#

i have no doubts that a 10700k could struggle with 64gb at 3600 xmp

short blade
#

the 3090 was black screening at +0/-502 any time it went past idle clocks

short blade
#

thought it was a degraded gpu or vram

#

but I raised VCCIO when I applied XMP and now it's running +105/+1200 perfectly stable

finite frigate
#

yeah sounds about right

sudden torrent
#

Wait what

finite frigate
#

10th+ high capacity doesnt sound fun

short blade
#

went from 600 driver crashes at +0/-502 to running max load with an overclock

finite frigate
#

happens when i try too aggressive settings

short blade
#

now it's at 3600 XMP

#

already stability tested the ram, it's fine

finite frigate
#

yeah i still think the imc was having a flip

#

64gb does not sound fun

#

id up SA too

sudden torrent
#

I agree the IMC was trippin but I guess the memory was so slow it didn't affect that

short blade
#

the auto VCCIO was 0.96v, I'm wondering if VCCIO affects the GPU even if ram is stable

finite frigate
#

possible

short blade
#

VCCSA/VCCIO autoed to 1.04/0.96 at 2133 jedec

finite frigate
#

.96 is lower than it should be from factory iirc

short blade
#

no

finite frigate
#

interesting

short blade
#

10th gen datasheet says 0.95 for up to 2933 jedec

finite frigate
#

interesting

short blade
#

I was lowkey surprised that 1.15/1.15v is enough for 64gb 3600

finite frigate
#

sounds about right, if its xmp i dont imagine the imc is wanting to die

#

if you were tuning id tell you to send like 1.3/1.3

#

idk cml behavior very well

#

i can help a bit with rkl stuff tho

#

and kaby

short blade
#

I wonder what auto would be

finite frigate
#

despite my hatred for kaby

short blade
#

I don't think CML is very different from KBL

finite frigate
#

memory controllers are very different

short blade
#

same architecture just refined

#

pretty much just the same memory controller with higher clock expectations no?

#

the boards are better on average too

finite frigate
#

10th lacks io2, and has lower voltage tolerances on sa in general

#

i wouldnt feel comfortable sending 1.6 through a 10th gen imc

short blade
#

huh, I didn't see something named IO2 on either 7700K I used

finite frigate
#

11th you goober

#

on asus and maybe asrock its called "io mem oc"

short blade
finite frigate
#

๐Ÿ’€

short blade
#

lol

finite frigate
#

yea

#

yeah kbl should perform

#

uh

short blade
#

I have experience with 11th gen too sir

finite frigate
#

similarly

#

lIES

short blade
#

KBL is just CML but worse

#

RKL is totally different

finite frigate
#

im able to get some ok freq on kbl

short blade
#

well both of my 7700Ks were on midrange Z170 so

finite frigate
#

3600 worked instantly on my z270 tomahawk

short blade
#

not good for ram oc lol

finite frigate
#

def not lol

short blade
#

Z270 was a big improvement since Z170 was first gen ddr4

#

both of them were stuck at 3200

finite frigate
short blade
#

I was also using very low end ddr4 kits so

finite frigate
#

i dont have good test dimms for my kbl rig

short blade
#

maybe they could have done better with better kits

finite frigate
#

perhaps

short blade
#

bro this 3090's vram is just not quitting

#

+1500 is chilling rn

finite frigate
#

and your 4080 is still faster ๐Ÿ’€

short blade
#

about to have to restart occt cause it's hitting the 1 hour mark

#

well my 4080 does +1675

finite frigate
#

my 2070s does something silly

#

i forgor

#

i dont daily oc on my 2070s

#

i do power limit undervolt lol

#

with basic 750mem offset

short blade
#

it finally crashed at +1600

finite frigate
#

1400 it is

short blade
#

probably +1550 is stable and peak perf is somewhere between 1500-1550

finite frigate
#

wanna know whats funny

#

my re-tune of 3733 is better in every way besides twr and trtp

#

so re-tuning was actually worht it

#

considering i shotgun clocked like crazy

#

idk how it was ok for so long before finally showing instability

#

i need to look more into rev.e behavior but i cant find toooo much

kind walrus
short blade
#

interesting

kind walrus
#

You can run it higher with ecc enabled but slower perf

#

Or well, I can

#

I have a sample size of 1 for Ada

short blade
#

this isn't ada

#

it's a 3090

#

my 4080 does up to +1750 stable but peak perf is at +1675

kind walrus
#

Oh I thought you meant the 4080 mb

finite frigate
#

i havent properly overclocked my 2070s yet

short blade
#

my 4080 also has no ECC option

finite frigate
#

ram and cpu oc is so much more interesting

kind walrus
#

Interesting

short blade
#

there are 2 SKUs of 4080 and mine is the newer one

kind walrus
#

Yes ga103

short blade
#

I only found that out because I couldn't flash the vbioses from TPU lol

#

no

#

not that

kind walrus
#

Oh

short blade
#

there's GA103-300-0 and GA103-301-0

#

I have GA103-301-0

kind walrus
#

Oh oops

short blade
#

maybe it's disabled on 301

kind walrus
#

AD103

short blade
#

oh yeah AD103

#

๐Ÿ’€

finite frigate
#

301-0 should be a better bin overall or something

short blade
#

but yeah

finite frigate
#

nvidia revisions are really weird

short blade
#

I couldn't flash any vbios on tpu database

finite frigate
#

yeah cause they have press samples

kind walrus
#

Might be something significant to it

short blade
#

I had to get an unverified vbios

kind walrus
#

Have you compared the PCB

#

To tpu

short blade
#

no

#

I didn't open the card

kind walrus
#

Ah

short blade
#

I don't really have a reason to open the card

finite frigate
short blade
#

temps are perfect

kind walrus
#

Fair enough

#

We are enthusiasts tho

finite frigate
#

i just recently opened my 2070s lol

kind walrus
#

So it's a curiosity of enjoyment

#

๐Ÿ’€

short blade
#

I'm not enough of an enthusiast to hope repasting drops my temps from 45.5c to 45.4c ngl

finite frigate
#

evga's factory paste is balls

short blade
#

bigger chance that I make it worse than better lol

#

I'm sure someone else has cracked open a 301

finite frigate
#

you never know how bad the factory mounts are

short blade
#

I think asus is pretty good at that

finite frigate
#

my rev.e scales so weird i hate this ic

#

why did i buy rev.e

short blade
#

when I repadded my 3090 strix I had to repaste it too obviously

#

but I could never get the hotspot delta as good as it was from the factory after that

finite frigate
#

๐Ÿ’€

short blade
#

well, that could partially be because more heat was being removed from the vram into the cooler too

finite frigate
#

bleach

#

should i buy a 3600+b550 board

short blade
#

but from the factory the hotspot delta was like 17c and after repasting it was 18c

short blade
#

how much?

finite frigate
#

yea

#

150, its the b550 udac pretty sure

#

i want ryzen test platforms

short blade
#

hmm

#

150 is kinda high, not the best board

#

offer 130, see if they'll accept or counter 140

finite frigate
#

i'll see

#

board looks awful tbh

short blade
#

this zotac 3090 is officially a better sample than my strix 3090

finite frigate
#

pain

#

๐Ÿ’€

short blade
#

it's doing 1905mhz at 906mv

my strix did 1905mhz at 925mv

finite frigate
short blade
#

ehh that's not hard to replace tbh

#

like $7 on amazon or $3 on aliexpress

#

gotta factor it into the price though

finite frigate
#

fair

short blade
#

or if you get a cooler that doesn't use the stock backplate you're fine

finite frigate
#

its almost worth it to me but i want ryzen 5k

short blade
#

lol, maybe you can eventually pop in a 5800x3d and daily it

finite frigate
#

that chip is too expensive for me to want to daily it

short blade
#

pointless before a gpu upgrade though

finite frigate
#

300$ chip that has no oc benefit

short blade
#

eh, you can still pbo it and bclk on some boards

finite frigate
#

true, but oc is why i own intel lol

short blade
#

in a way it's kind of nice how easy it is to get the 5800x3d stable

finite frigate
#

this 11700k is the most fun ive had overclocking

#

it takes whatever voltage i want and is relatively cool in most workloads

#

2700k was really fun too cause it was the same way

#

i'd enjoy ryzen to learn its memory oc behavior

short blade
#

honestly, there's not much to it

it's easier than intel

#

but yeah can be fun to experience new platform for the first time

finite frigate
#

i just dont want to spend 500$ for a "science" scenario

#

my rev.e stops scaling past 1.6

#

odd

short blade
#

have you set VTT?

finite frigate
#

no actually

short blade
#

that's probably why

#

rev. e is quite sensitive to VTT

finite frigate
#

where the balls is that in giga bios

short blade
#

try 0.7

#

lol, good luck

finite frigate
short blade
#

doing literally anything in gigabyte bios = lol good luck

finite frigate
#

VTT is half of ddr voltage by jedec

short blade
#

trust me on this

finite frigate
#

ight ๐Ÿ’€

short blade
#

rev. e likes low VTT

finite frigate
#

next time i bios

short blade
#

I ran 0.7 with 1.7v as well

#

and saw scaling

finite frigate
#

might be why i cant do 5k on 4dimm

#

(or my imc hates me)

short blade
#

it's possible your kit won't be the same, but it's worth a shot

finite frigate
#

ill play with vtt

#

i know a lot of boards dont like going below half of vdimm though

#

since half is jedec spec

short blade
#

btw, it's entirely possible that lower than 0.7v will be better

#

I'll leave that to you to figure out

finite frigate
#

yeah

short blade
#

0.7 is just a good starting point

finite frigate
#

more voltages yay ๐Ÿ˜

#

i hate rev.e

#

why didnt i buy bdie

#

its so easy to get into at first but once you want to tune tune

#

its

#

unfun

#

oh you want lower than 500 trfc? no

#

you want a respectable trcd value? no

#

lower than 36 tras?

#

no

#

alright i found VCCVTT

#

oh thereโ€™s the real one

#

dram termination

#

sounds about right

latent wave
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I have no of errors

proven canopy
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Rev.e is 1.55 vdimm, .65 vtt meta I thought. Ask dyno

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@scenic vine

scenic vine
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Vtt may or may not matter depending on the the chips

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Iirc older micron was a lot more sensitive to high vtt when it came to clocking

finite frigate
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i have 2022 3200 C16 C9BLM rev.e

scenic vine
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Probably won't care much about vtt

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Easy enough to test though

finite frigate
scenic vine
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What are you trying to achieve

finite frigate
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seeing if my board will allow 5000 on 4 dimm