overclocking

[wheat lintel]

Do I use beta bios?

[kind walrus]

I thought you use ddr4 now

[alpine mantle]

My ram sticks got no temp sensor

Cheap ah kit

[mental turret]

both

[kind walrus]

Ah I'm disappointed

[mental turret]

well i have a couple dimms that are ddr3.5

[eternal relic]

far, can u actually throw things far? if so, throw ur ddr3 collection into the ocean to prove it 🙏

[kind walrus]

Oh you mean like samsungs s16b

[short blade]

but seriously, where did dell find 40-39-39? is that an actual jedec spec?

[mental turret]

@kind walrus

[kind walrus]

[alpine mantle]

Bruh me don't know

[mental turret]

same ICs they used on ddr4

[short blade]

anyone pay like $2849058902 for the jedec pdf?

[alpine mantle]

Dell made my i3 10100 prebuilt run 2666mhz at ass timings

[kind walrus]

It's like samsung ddr5 but backwards

[short blade]

how does that even work

[eternal relic]

im sure i can find some goober on hwbot with the ddr5 jedec files

[mental turret]

It's stable 2860C13-15-14-15 1.5V

gonna test voltage scaling a bit more later

[mental turret]

same dram package, ddr3 pinout

[kind walrus]

Wow that's like, almost as fast as 3200

[alpine mantle]

Imma see if i can attempt 4000MHZ CL17-17-17-40

[short blade]

is 40-39-39 an actual jedec spec or is dell just being silly goofy? the only 4800 40-39-39 kit i can find is a ripjaws sodimm kit

[alpine mantle]

[kind walrus]

Hol up lemme get my sodimm kit out

[eternal relic]

man

i cant be bothered to retype im going ti bed

[short blade]

"insane, the peak of ddr3 manages to match early hynix afr 3200 poop bins 😍"

there you go

[kind walrus]

Oh yeah I forgot

Corsair only cares about the least interesting number

CAS

[short blade]

that's not it

[kind walrus]

Have to look on the laptop ig

[short blade]

they just haven't heard about the other timings yet

why do you think corsair xmp crashes so often

please be patient they are learning

[alpine mantle]

Ram checking makes me sweat

[kind walrus]

Bro go do some exercise

[short blade]

condiments spotted

[alpine mantle]

I already am with this horrible ah ambient temp in my room

[kind walrus]

Open a window

[short blade]

every night i open my balcony door wide open from 9pm to 9am

[alpine mantle]

I'll open you instead

[short blade]

resets my room to like 20c

[alpine mantle]

Sheesh

[short blade]

then from 9am to 9pm it slowly rises back up to mid 30s

summer just be like that

[kind walrus]

@short blade

yeah it must be jedec ig

[alpine mantle]

Ok its probably not tras

[short blade]

one of my friends had that kit

[kind walrus]

it's in the spd

[short blade]

it said samsung c-die on it according to the version code

it was rev. e

lol

[short blade]

damn, i thought dell was gaming 😔

[kind walrus]

there's no version coding

it's a sodimm

[alpine mantle]

Rated E die and up

[wheat lintel]

…I’m going to shoot myself

I updated my bios, lost my profile I had saved for my DDR4

I know, I’m just lazy

And also I need to figure out my RTTs and 💩 again because I don’t have a screenshot of those

[ancient bridge]

Same thing happened to me

😒

Luckily u had an asrock timing screenshot

[wheat lintel]

Ram has been delidded

Well, half delidded

Other half doesn’t want to come off but single rank sticks so I doubt it’ll matter

[mental turret]

With what

[mental turret]

Wait why'd you delid to begin with

[wheat lintel]

Better temps

[wheat lintel]

Used a hot air station

Turns out there was no thermal pad between the die and heat spreader

[mental turret]

Really? What was the heat spreader on it lol

[wheat lintel]

Some thin piece of sheet metal

Don’t question the 3 keyboards

Restarting this ram, started off with GDM off and 1T and it doesn’t error so far

[mental turret]

And that made temps worse you said?

I guess if there was no thermal interface then thatd make sense

I'd pop it back on with a thermal pad

[latent wave]

why are u cooling your 3rd keyboard

lol

[wheat lintel]

I got a P14 blowing over the ram, having it delidded is the better option I think

Either way, I slapped on the timings of my old time and it’s letting me do GDM off now

No idea how that works but I’ll take it

[wheat lintel]

Lol that ain’t plugged in

It’s kinda just there

[latent wave]

buddy u gotta keep your fingers cool or else your gaming will throttle

fan = better gamer

[signal belfry]

Watercool the ram

[kind walrus]

Air cool the fingers for less reaction throttling

[alpine mantle]

Bro i think my nvme died after the ram oc

[alpine mantle]

Its not being detected anymore, and booting takes forever to load up bios

Damn my whole windows is gone

[mental turret]

why are you doing mem OC with your daily OS install

🧠

[alpine mantle]

Damn...

It's like the nvme got fried bruh

[signal belfry]

How do u break an nvme with a ram oc?

[alpine mantle]

I have no clue

Usually if the ram corrupts the nvme or any other drive the data is lost, but the drive aint dead

[signal belfry]

My guess is that the nvme didn’t have dram on it so it was using your boards ram

[alpine mantle]

I mean if i can remember, the pc didn't boot at 4000 CL17-17-17-40 and the led indicator wasn't on, so i turned off the pc, removed one ram stick and turned it on so the motherboard can revert back to ram default

[alpine mantle]

My mp34 has dram tho

It takes MINUTES to boot into bios

[signal belfry]

Did u do a drive speed test

If it’s the same might be the os

[wheat lintel]

Time to custom loop

[mental turret]

If I daily'd 4x8GB bdie for some reason I probably would considering I wanted to custom loop anyway at some point

though id rather daily 4x16 M16B

or 2Rx8 S8B

whatever gives me capacity and isnt slow lol

[alpine mantle]

No, as i said its not showing up on the bios anymore

[signal belfry]

Oh that’s very weird for a ram oc

I’ve never heard of that before but u could try like reinstalling your bios

Might fix it

[alpine mantle]

Yea im reverting the bios right now

And the last thing i would do is create a windows installation on my usb to see if the drive is there

If it is, it means all data is corrupted/gone
If its not, then its dead

Reverting bios didn't do anything, so its def not a bios issue

[ancient bridge]

Bro broke the 4tb

[alpine mantle]

Not the 4tb

The 1tb (boot drive)

To be honest, i doubt it was the ram that killed it but the fact that it was too hot

The funny part that it has a capable heatsink but I've put it through numerous cpu stress testing

But i dont know yet

[alpine mantle]

Alright.. I got my answer, the drive is dead

-Its not detected in bios
-Its not detected in the windows setup tool
-It does not work in nvme slots 1/2 (didn't try the rest since im lazy to remove the others)
-Reverted bios
-Cleared cmos
-checked the DP cable (i heard it can cause a problem for some reason)

I guess i should avoid teamgroup mp34 or something

Because ain't no way a ram oc (not even changing trefi) can damage it so hard it craps out

Guess I'll get an extra drive for backup purposes

[ancient bridge]

I think

I think it was a user error

[alpine mantle]

Ok then

:/

[ancient bridge]

Yeah idk just really weird lol

[alpine mantle]

It's not the first time a ram oc almost broke it

But it was a quick fix

Now, its an entirely different issue

I'll just avoid this nvme from now on

[short blade]

did you happen to touch bclk at all

[alpine mantle]

Bro no

BCLK lock on 100mhz was enabled though

But i had this on for MONTHS

I'm conflicted if i should RMA it or consider buying a different nvme drive

@short blade

[signal belfry]

I’d go different nvme drive

The price differences between brands for 1tb nvme is like 5-10 bucks

So I’d go Samsung they’re the best

[alpine mantle]

yea thats what im thinking, silicon power has never let me down (YET)

i heard samsung was pretty good too

[short blade]

i dunno, probably a one off

how many team mp33s and mp34s have we recommended on this server

[alpine mantle]

i have an mp33 for emulation and it still works (for now)

[sudden torrent]

I got 3800 c12 gdm off to boot at 1.7v. It wasn't stable but dang that's the best I've ever booted.

[restive cargo]

I'm just so out this game in the OC world it's sad

[sudden torrent]

Ok so I've determined that it's temp sensitivity that's keeping that from being stable. Dropped the voltage. 3800 was bench stable but failed stress tests, so I'm sticking with 3600 for now. I'm at 14-12-13-28 so far.

Next step would be a delid and/or water cooling.

I'm 100% sure it's the adata sticks because of the RGB on top

[eternal relic]

disable rgb or set it to red

[wheat lintel]

Anyone know what’s CCX0 and CCX1 are?

[proven canopy]

Do that through zenstates instead

[wheat lintel]

Zen states?

Also I tried using PBO and for some reason, I try to launch and my ram OC isn’t being applied

But it’s being applied when PBO is off

[sudden torrent]

Here's where I landed. Passed 2 hours of VST but there's some retrain instability. I think I'll leave GDM on for daily.

[sudden torrent]

Considering minimum tRAS = tRCD(RD) + tRTP, I could set it lower but the IMC won't let it be lower

Right, I could set it lower but it won't do anything since tRAS is the time between ACT and PRE commands (ACT to READ = tRCD, READ to PRE = tRTP)

lol

Alright I'll set 21 just for you

Indeed

But it would use the actual tRAS, not the fake one I set right?

[sudden torrent]

Hmm, alright I'll give it a go

Seems to work

Oof. Just unlucky I guess.

[wheat lintel]

I think I’m done

Literally this except my SCLs are 1/1

And tWTR is 4/7

[sudden torrent]

Can't get tRC lower?
Dem terts tho

Must have the voltage pretty high too

[wheat lintel]

I lose performance if I bring it down

[wheat lintel]

1.55V

My board won’t let me, minimum of 2

[short blade]

vbios flash success

[alpine mantle]

I managed to get 4000MHZ CL18 on my ram oc

So far it did Y-cruncher VST for 2 hours which is enough for me

Im playing it safe now as im using a flash drive (windows 2 go) for oc and bench purposes only... I won't let a drive fry again

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-smart-simpsons-flames-gif-12447941

[short blade]

time to see if this 4080 is a good sample or not

[restive cargo]

Believe and it will be

[short blade]

it's a good sample

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-whoo-hoo-yes-yay-gif-17375289

[short blade]

need to figure out why my CPU is not passing the CPU test portion of time spy rn 💀

getting solid graphics score though

should be #1 on hwbot

[sudden torrent]

Doesn't hwbot require ECC to be on

[short blade]

wdym?

[sudden torrent]

For the 4080/4090

[short blade]

vram ecc?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[short blade]

or system ram

is it on by default?

[sudden torrent]

No

[short blade]

how do I turn it on then

I'm pretty sure my vram is stable

it's running a bit below the max it can pass with

was testing vram performance sweet spot

do you think my cpu is bottlenecking

[sudden torrent]

That is the flattest line I've ever seen

[short blade]

strix vbios things

[sudden torrent]

Oh wait that's clocks

[short blade]

I can't hit the power limit even if I tried

oh you thought it was temps

[sudden torrent]

Nah I thought it was frame rate lol

[short blade]

oh

I actually haven't checked the temps

I assume they're ridiculous

quad slot cooler and I'm running 100% fans

this card is so big I had to remove my bottom fans

[sudden torrent]

I'm sure it's ridiculously low if anything, they use 4090 coolers on most 4080s

[short blade]

support bracket more important than 2 bottom fans with a card this big lol

[sudden torrent]

You can toggle it on in nvidia settings

nvcp specifically

[short blade]

hmm ok

wonder if it'll negatively impact my score if my vram is stable

[sudden torrent]

Yes it will

[short blade]

sad

[sudden torrent]

By about 1500 points or more

[short blade]

my score looks so nice right now

ok got cpu to pass lol

[short blade]

where? i don't see it

[sudden torrent]

Should be below "manage 3D settings" and above "configure surround"

[short blade]

nope

nothing

i also checked all of the 3d settings

no ecc setting

i'm on the latest driver

i wonder if it's just automatically on since i have the newer revision 4080?

[sudden torrent]

Hmm, looks like some cards have it and others don't?

All the 4090s have it but not all 4080s

It would say in your timespy results page whether it was enabled, or even able to be used

[short blade]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97633671

i see nothing about it

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that's weird. I saw something about a bug related to this too, but that was back in december. I don't know if it was fixed.

[finite frigate]

i'd imagine strix would since its highest end

[short blade]

wait

should i be worried about this lol

[finite frigate]

maybe in nv profile inspector

[sudden torrent]

Well I'd say go ahead and sub it. If it gets taken down you'll be told why.

[sudden torrent]

Nah that's a motherboard setting

[finite frigate]

they dont take down subs even if it isnt right 💀

[sudden torrent]

Really? Because I've had subs get taken down

[finite frigate]

ive only had like 2/70 subs get taken down, otherwise i deleted them myself

[short blade]

nice

[sudden torrent]

Motherboard setting, not OS

[short blade]

the two subs that beat me all have i9s

so i'm happy with this

[finite frigate]

wubs

now take #1 under ln2

[short blade]

i beat both of them in graphics score

oh nvm #2 actually has an i7

[finite frigate]

a good core on 40 series?

[short blade]

but has ddr5 lol

still i beat their graphics score

[sudden torrent]

It's more likely they get taken down if it's high up on the leaderboard

[short blade]

by a lot

209 pts

[finite frigate]

whats that in percents 💀

[short blade]

0.66% lol

[finite frigate]

LOL

[sudden torrent]

Margin of error, lesgoooo

[finite frigate]

raaah

[short blade]

W

(this is time spy gpu)

[short blade]

i mean... in benchmarking, 209 pts is not margin of error

[finite frigate]

bench tse, fse, and fs

[sudden torrent]

Tell that to r23

Run it twice in a row and get very different scores

[finite frigate]

i hate r23

ive had some crazy time spy variation too

[short blade]

if we compare it to number of pts above stock it's 6.27% higher

is that better lol

[finite frigate]

what core offset can you do?

[short blade]

running +165/+1675 with voltage pinned at maximum 1.095v

[sudden torrent]

I'm surprised I don't see any subzero subs for the 4080

[short blade]

3042mhz avg core clock

1610mhz vram

[finite frigate]

makes sense for a 40 series card

yeah they top out at 3.ish

[sudden torrent]

There's a couple that say they used a chiller but they still had over 50C

[finite frigate]

cant do much with like 420w max

until we get a tdp unlocked vbios from XX brand

or people want to shunt their cards

[short blade]

being subzero would still help even without shunt

[sudden torrent]

Sure but putting a pot on it will still let you run lower voltage

[finite frigate]

im sure a 4080 will draw 800w+ if it could

[short blade]

need epower too at that point

[finite frigate]

i mean yeah, but what is that getting you, 200mhz?

[short blade]

200mhz is a lot lol

[finite frigate]

yeah its a lot but look at ambient vs subambient

[sudden torrent]

Oh do you mean +200 instead of +165?

[finite frigate]

no lol

[short blade]

running TSE now

[sudden torrent]

200MHz is a huge difference in benches

[short blade]

man this 4080 is so ridiculously large

makes my 3090 strix look like an SFF card

I actually do not think I could close the side panel even if I wanted to at this point lmao

[sudden torrent]

I want to do -200 core now to show lol

[finite frigate]

yes i know that, but if you look at the difference between like a 3090 on and off sub ambient, the clock difference is wild

200mhz is a lot, not as much as it could be though

[short blade]

whoa, globals

[finite frigate]

the difference is almost 600mhz wr to wr

[short blade]

damn i have way higher graphics score than the people beating me but my ddr4 is holding me back

[finite frigate]

d4 make me sad :(

[short blade]

yoooo

i hit front page

[finite frigate]

nice

[sudden torrent]

But that's what's so surprising, no one has bothered to sub with LN2 even though there is definitely gains to be had

[finite frigate]

tse is more fun than ts

[finite frigate]

i think its cause the mountings are different/people want to get the best possible subs

[sudden torrent]

Gravity mounted pot would still beat stock

[finite frigate]

so theyre just waiting

[finite frigate]

but is it worth lol

[sudden torrent]

You're talking to overclockers

[finite frigate]

i think most of the top ocers would just wait for 4080/90 pots would come out

and time has shown that

lol

[sudden torrent]

We will double power consumption if it means a 5% boost in scores, worth doesn't matter

[finite frigate]

considering theres no ln2 runs for even a 4090

(at least on time spy)

[short blade]

damn this 4080 is making me want to get ddr5 now

[finite frigate]

FOR THE BENCH!!!

[finite frigate]

splave did ln2 4090 on port royal

at almost 4ghz

[short blade]

this is the most tempted I've ever been to get ddr5 💀

[finite frigate]

7000 c28 is calling you

[short blade]

why only 7000 😦

[finite frigate]

ok fine

8400 c34

[short blade]

I wonder if max achievable ddr5 freq and max achievable ddr4 freq on the same chip are correlated

4133 gear 1 is the limit on ddr4 for this chip

[sudden torrent]

afaik the DDR4 and DDR5 IMCs are physically separate

[short blade]

I know that

[sudden torrent]

If they're cut from the same silicon wafer then that would be the only correlation I can think of

[short blade]

but I wonder if it's correlated at all

or just completely independent

[sudden torrent]

Why not get DDR5 and find out if there is (at least on your chip)

[short blade]

another front pager

[sudden torrent]

Noice

[short blade]

I am poor

it makes so little sense to swap out this working z690 and 32gb b-die

[sudden torrent]

So then stop being poor? Just get more money? If you're homeless just buy a house? /s

[short blade]

ahh you're right it's that damn avocado toast stopping me from buying an apex

[finite frigate]

SO TRUE

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that 50 cents a day on avocado adds up fast you know

[short blade]

(I have never purchased avocado toast)

[finite frigate]

💀

[mental turret]

avocado*

[finite frigate]

sounds like california so roll with it max

[sudden torrent]

You're faster than my autocorrect

[mental turret]

i cant sleep

🥱

[sudden torrent]

Stupid phone keyboard always misspelling things

[mental turret]

user error perhaps

[short blade]

true I can't afford ddr5 because I'm busy paying california rent

[sudden torrent]

I swear this phone has gotten dumber. It used to be so much better.

[short blade]

1 bedroom apt with a kitchen = 3k/month

😔

[mental turret]

its learning from its user

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-eyes-sad-face-üzgün-üzgün-yüz-gif-20234977

[short blade]

my phone tried to autocorrect "what's" to "whea"

[sudden torrent]

No it's learning from OTHER users is the problem, stupid AI

[short blade]

certified ryzen moment

[finite frigate]

BHAHBHBHAB

bro has had so many whea errors on that 5690x it came back to haunt him

[sudden torrent]

5690X

Wat

[short blade]

I'm going to name my firstborn child whea

5690x is what we call my 5800x because it was worse than your average 5700x

[finite frigate]

his cpu was so garbage we couldnt even call it a 5800x

[short blade]

probably worse than a below average 5700x

the "best core" couldn't do better than 4.65ghz

[finite frigate]

yeah it was dookey

[sudden torrent]

Oh wow. You found it. The baseline CPU they made the spec for.

[short blade]

literally lol

core 0 couldn't do -1 at +0 boost override

at +200 boost override it needed +5

which negated the benefits of using boost override anyways

[finite frigate]

meanwhile my 11700k being the opposite of your bin

[short blade]

my 13700k is slightly above average I think so

I'm happy

this 4080 seems quite a bit above average so I'm happy

[finite frigate]

whats crazy to me is that ur ts score is still slower than a 4090 in port royal

[sudden torrent]

Meanwhile I can do 5150 if I do 102 bclk

[finite frigate]

i can do uhhh

5.7

💀

[short blade]

I don't have 4090 money 😦

[finite frigate]

L

buy d5 first

[sudden torrent]

Not many do tbh

[short blade]

@sudden torrent

found this in gpu-z

not supported

[finite frigate]

shhh

[short blade]

surely I can't be asked to enable something that's not supported lol

probably just has to do with my new revision idk

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that's so weird. Why would they even phrase it like that (nvidia 40XX GPUs must have ECC enabled) if some 4080s can't do it?

[short blade]

who knows

I don't think they can invalidate my subs for this though

[sudden torrent]

I guess we'll find out soon

[short blade]

saved port royal for last cause I have to downclock to pass it lol

[finite frigate]

sounds like good ol port royal

[short blade]

oh yeah, gpu temps are peaking in mid 50s

with an ambient temp of 24c

lmao

[finite frigate]

sounds like 40 series

[short blade]

big difference from my 3090 strix that was barely not throttling during benches

I love this card already

[kind walrus]

R u winnin son

[sudden torrent]

I'd say yes

[kind walrus]

🇼

[short blade]

damn I had to downclock all the way to +120 to pass PR

I ran TS/TSE at +165, FS/FSE/FSU/CG/SD at +180

[sudden torrent]

Sounds about right

[short blade]

it's funny I got 2 front pagers but the second one pushed the first one off lol

[sudden torrent]

You know what that means

You need to improve the other score

Or at least get a third front page

[short blade]

another one

i did it lol

[sudden torrent]

Yep that works lol

[short blade]

damn, three front page subs today

[sudden torrent]

Your 5800X was bad but was it this bad? I just came across this pic again lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903768190717411339/943988484711014480/20220217_135227.jpg

65th out of 57

I hated that thing so much

[short blade]

yeah I remember getting 64th out of 59 or something like that

in cinebench

with a 1.4v manual oc

[finite frigate]

💀

hey, to be fair, i have put 1.6v into my 11700k

[sudden torrent]

I understand your level of pain now then, having experienced a similar level myself

[finite frigate]

(this platform can also take like 3v and be fine probably)

[short blade]

managed in every gpupi category

ooh another front page

in total 4 front pagers today, not all at the same time though 💀

[sudden torrent]

Second page is still a feat

[finite frigate]

im curious to see what i can get out of my 11700k 45w

@short blade what program do you use to swap power modes that looks all nice

[short blade]

they're just batch files with custom icons

made them in photoshop

[finite frigate]

OH SILLY

caps

oh silly

[short blade]

why need program when batch file do trick

[finite frigate]

why many word wen few word do trick?

[short blade]

yes

[restive cargo]

Is that the stripper batch file Forks made me run that one time?

[short blade]

no it's just power modes and refresh rate

i do use a program for the refresh rate change but it's just a simple command line program so i can call it in the batch file

[restive cargo]

Ah

[dapper drum]

@short blade I finally figured it out. I got a stable 3600 oc with my ram

[short blade]

nice

timings?

[dapper drum]

@short blade

Apologies I was a bit busy

[short blade]

bro 💀 just post asrtc

your vccsa/vccio are... really high

are you sure you need that for 3600?

like 1.15 each should be enough

i think you are gonna degrade the cpu pretty quickly with those vccsa/vccio

mostly the vccio

[dapper drum]

Wait really?

@short blade

Do you have any recommendations? Should I go lower on them?

[short blade]

.

[short blade]

oof guess it doesn't work for you then

looks like right version so idk

[dapper drum]

The software?

[short blade]

yeah

[dapper drum]

Shoot-

Well I’ll try lowering the voltage

My computer is being finicky right now, so whenever I get the chance I’ll let you know 🙏🏾. I appreciate this advice btw

I didn’t want a fried cpu when I came back from work one day.

[short blade]

finicky?

[dapper drum]

The two main voltages that help with memory overclocking for these CPUs are SA voltage (also known as VCC-SA or System Agent voltage) and IO voltage (also known as VCC-IO). 1.40 V SA should be a good start. Even higher voltage might help stabilizing 2200+ MHz or 4RPC at lower frequencies though it generally won’t be needed for most setups. Up to 1.50 V should be safe (as specified by Intel), though even higher voltages have not proven to be harmful in medium-term tests. The IO voltage is slightly more complicated as it typically has a sweet spot, beyond which more voltage doesn’t help or even makes stability worse.This can be anywhere from the high 1.2 V range to the low 1.4 V range depending on the specific CPU. Generally I recommend starting at 1.30 V. Ambitious users may fine-tune it which could help if a certain frequency is right on the edge of stability.

That’s what the guide mentioned btw

[dapper drum]

It’s just in regards to my wifi connection. I gotta fix that before I deal with my computer at the moment

If I go lower will there be enough voltage to support the frequency?

[short blade]

2200MHz means 4400 MT/s

you are way below that

[dapper drum]

🫠🫠

[short blade]

you're only at 1800MHz

[dapper drum]

My fault… I thought it was talking about frequency

[short blade]

it is

[dapper drum]

I really gotta learn the terminology

[short blade]

your frequency is 1800MHz

[dapper drum]

Really?

I thought I was tryna hit 3600

[short blade]

3600 megatransfers/second

[dapper drum]

Ah wait

[short blade]

is 1800MHz

[dapper drum]

DDR

Yeah

Alright I’ll put them at 1.15 for both

[short blade]

1.15 is not guaranteed to be stable but

good chance

[dapper drum]

How high would you recommend if it isn’t stable?

[short blade]

is your gear mode manually set to 1?

[dapper drum]

I heard it can vary from intel and amd

Yessir

1:1

[short blade]

if it's not stable with 1.2 then there's something else wrong

no way 3600 can require more than 1.2

[dapper drum]

Alright

That’s understandable. I’ll set it to 1.15 first

I’ll try it in roughly 20 minutes

I think it should be stable because I did the rest of the guide nearly identically

Left mem test and OCCT on all night

Probably not the best idea since now I know the voltage was too high

But I don’t think too much damage was done

I’ll definitely put it down though and run mem test for about 20-30 minutes to be sure

[sudden torrent]

Hey new world record

[dapper drum]

All I want bruh

I bought a computer thinking that I would assemble it, do some light tuning and boom. All set

And of all things to this day Ram is kicking my ah

Maybe I could just reduce the stress by buying a kit with a real high xmp

But aye it is good knowledge ig

[sudden torrent]

TBF ram is the hardest thing to fully tune. If you wanted a quick OC that would get you about 85% of the way to a full tune that's an option, but the full tune can take literal days including stress testing time.

[dapper drum]

Yessir y’all know your stuff and do teach well too

It’s likely for the best anyway

Knowing the fact that too high of a voltage could degrade a cpu quickly

And knowing how to properly tune it could be the difference of a good gameplay or having to buy a new expensive processor

[sudden torrent]

At least you're not tuning a Ryzen system, setting SoC too high on that will make it less stable than keeping it at 1.1-1.2v

[dapper drum]

Hell… Thank the lord I stick with intel

I’d probably just sell my pc atp if I had a ryzen system

[sudden torrent]

Ryzen is extremely picky on several voltages. Some prefer to go up, others down. Put VDDG at 1.1v? Now you can't post.

[dapper drum]

Jesus 😭. It’s that finicky?

[sudden torrent]

25mV can be the difference between stable and crashing in 5 seconds

[dapper drum]

Jesus almighty. And the fact that you have to tune it to your own silicon

Because I’d imagine tunings aren’t universal

[sudden torrent]

Indeed, there's no universal settings. Every IMC is different slightly.

I got lucky on mine, I don't need very much voltage for anything.

[dapper drum]

May the lord have mercy on their souls

[dapper drum]

That’s really amazing no lie. Not to mention you and mushroom are like hella good at tuning in general from what I’ve heard

Mushroom mentioned a while ago that like

He got a 3600 on DDR3 before I think?

[sudden torrent]

That could be a thing that happened yeah

[dapper drum]

I could be wrong

But yeah, the fact that severe overclocking exists is crazy. I actually JUST recently learned about processor overclocking with LIQUID NITROGEN

[sudden torrent]

I got to learn from some of the best people willing to share their knowledge, like @proven canopy

[dapper drum]

It’s the smartest damn thing

[sudden torrent]

Most of what I know beyond the absolute basics I learned here

[dapper drum]

Shoot this server is full of hella smart people. The reason why I was able to even attempt this overclock in the first place

[dapper drum]

Yessir that’s awesome. I’m on that journey too

[ancient bridge]

Quite a few have taught me a ton

[short blade]

hahahahahahaha

cries in raptor lake

set vddq to 1.325? stable
set vddq to 1.320? your OS is gone

set e-core l2 to 1.22? stable
set e-core l2 to 1.225? no post

set vtt to 0.700? stable
set vtt to 0.705? no post

set vdimm to 1.600? stable
set vdimm to 1.610? no post

[sudden torrent]

Yes your trials are well documented. Very... very, well documented.

[short blade]

ryzen voltages are a cakewalk in comparison

making me want to switch to am5 lol

[sudden torrent]

AM5 is a fair bit better when it comes to that from what I've heard, true

[short blade]

people I've never met are pinging me to talk about my b-die spreadsheet lmao

[sudden torrent]

I've seen that

[short blade]

man that 7800x3d figured out all the voltages and resistances for stable 6400 without even trying

it was beautiful

[sudden torrent]

My 5800 kinda did the same thing. When I first got it I just set it to 4000 with fclk at 2000 and... oh it's running

I had to up VDDP to get it more stable but that was it

[dapper drum]

@short blade 1.5 crashes almost immediately, but 1.2000 on both is stable 🙏🏾. Imma try to go a bit lower in between to see how close I can get to the lowest value possible

[dapper drum]

Scratch that… These values are the only ones I’ve gotten so far to be stable

I’ll attempt tomorrow morning to lower them in increments of 0.01

[alpine mantle]

This stupid architecture + ycruncher makes me CLINICALLY INSANE

I CANT SEEM TO GET 4000MHZ CL18-20-20-40 STABLE FFS

I tried changing many voltages

Fricking vddq set higher than 1.2 won't post
Even setting it lower would cause errors on the test
Fricking SA can't even do well at 1.15v or 1.3v but somehow 1.25v made the stress test last longer

Oh even setting the dram voltage higher (stable was 1.4v, anything higher or lower is TRASH) would not work... I hate this, can't believe i lost data over this

And here's the weirdest part before i go, Y-cruncher would crash faster on 2T INSTEAD OF 1T, NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT WOULD DO THE SAME IF THE CPU IS NOT OVERCLOCKED

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-question-marks-what-excuse-me-huh-gif-19938846

Raptorlake is hella weird

[ancient bridge]

Ayyyy the two of us

[alpine mantle]

Lmao

[ancient bridge]

4000 just doesn't wanna

[finite frigate]

take 3733 copium

[ancient bridge]

Stuck with peasant 3900

[finite frigate]

danny did you see the new room setup

[ancient bridge]

Nooo

I wanna see

[finite frigate]

i know my monitors are dirty stfu

[ancient bridge]

Interesting

[alpine mantle]

No fx, 0/10

[finite frigate]

the fx rig is next to me

[ancient bridge]

I liked it the way it was tbh

[alpine mantle]

11/10

[finite frigate]

cables bothered tf outta me

[ancient bridge]

So fix them

SMH

[finite frigate]

i did

by

moving the whole setup to a shelf

[ancient bridge]

Loll

[finite frigate]

which is a lot nicer

[ancient bridge]

Okay thats a better picture lol

[sterile flame]

Any notable previous Intel platforms that would be worth giving a try?

I haven't had much luck with FM2+/AM3 so either it's just the hardware I got or I'm doing it wrong

[finite frigate]

haswell, x79, x99

sandy/ivy is fun as aplatform to ram voltage into

haswell is thee first real fun intel platform

[finite frigate]

have you done any of the FX series

[sterile flame]

Not yet

Only touched A series and Phenoms

[finite frigate]

so you havent had fun

[sterile flame]

Nope

[finite frigate]

neither of those platforms are fun

[sterile flame]

Are these hard to find second hand?

At least the decent stuff and not absolute eWaste?

[finite frigate]

haswell is like the most common intel platform

im sure you can getg a board and cpu for around 100 bux'

[ancient bridge]

Sandyyy

[ancient bridge]

I have a few I'd like to get rid of 😘

[finite frigate]

sandy is legit ram voltage hope cool

[ancient bridge]

Lmaooo

[finite frigate]

haswell is slightly less ram voltage

[ancient bridge]

I'll get into that eventually

[ancient bridge]

I haven't gone over 1.32💀

Cause air cooler

[finite frigate]

i was able to do a 2700k at 5.25ghz on air

and 10 year old paste

[ancient bridge]

LOL

[finite frigate]

i wish i kept that psu for my main rig

[ancient bridge]

If I ram voltage I might be able to get more than 4.85 out of this 4770k

[finite frigate]

fs

[ancient bridge]

Same clock as my 5900x lmao

[finite frigate]

you should be able to run 5ghz at ~1.4

[ancient bridge]

Hmm I'll try some day

Still away from home

[sterile flame]

Gimmie gimmie gimmie

[ancient bridge]

Mhmmm

[finite frigate]

let me buy it instead

ill put it in my wall and do nothing with it

[ancient bridge]

That's basically what they're doing now

[finite frigate]

bro some gooch gotta buy my fx comp

[ancient bridge]

Along with the pile of ram on my desk

[finite frigate]

they look pretty tho

[alpine mantle]

@finite frigate is it a bit worrying to stress test a cpu for hours (it gets hot) while the nvme is installed?

iirc my NVME is right under the cpu

[kind walrus]

Does it have a heatsink

[alpine mantle]

and looking back at how my MP34 has been deepfried i hope it doesnt happen

[alpine mantle]

yes, it has the mobo heatsink

[kind walrus]

It's fine

[alpine mantle]

ugh... ok man, the cpu rn is around 90c at 150w and the ambient is 27.7c

the ram oc is doing well atleast

[kind walrus]

Ssd's like being warm

If it's sitting at 60C it's happy af

[alpine mantle]

im using (windows to go) samsung stick as the oc os

[kind walrus]

80C happier af

[alpine mantle]

the data got corrupted once but it was easy to install a fresh version agian

[alpine mantle]

so basically, they are masochists

[finite frigate]

what temps are the nvme hitting

[alpine mantle]

i uh dont know LMFAO, i forgot to install crystaldiskinfo

[finite frigate]

what felix said, really only the controller needs to be cold, the nvme storage itself like to be really warm

[alpine mantle]

ah, ok

ok last question... How long do i run y-cruncher?

so far its been 3 hours lols

[kind walrus]

Depends how sane/insane you want to be

[alpine mantle]

well to REALLY MAKE SURE, imma stop it at 4hours

because i running it at 4000mhz CL18

[kind walrus]

I'd argue a few hours to at most a day of ram testing is "good enough" and with different tests

[alpine mantle]

definitely

[kind walrus]

But everyone has a different threshold

[alpine mantle]

ill do an occt linpack run afterwards

which is my go to all rounder

[kind walrus]

Or do like, a bunch of anta777 cycles

For ddr4 that's quite reliable

[alpine mantle]

i stopped using TM5 and started using HCI

[kind walrus]

Or mtp

[ancient bridge]

I run ycruncher 2.5 once and call it stable

[alpine mantle]

the general rule for me is that if y-cruncher doesnt crash within 2 hours its stable

and move on to the next software

[kind walrus]

Love u too big d

[alpine mantle]

ayo?

[ancient bridge]

[kind walrus]

As a FRIEND

Smh

He's perma friendzoned

[alpine mantle]

XD

[ancient bridge]

When am I not

[kind walrus]

Yesterday never

[ancient bridge]

Always either cockblocked or friend zoned SMH

[kind walrus]

Idk what else you expect at your age

Like a 7 year old asking papa for a sip of his bourbon

💀

[ancient bridge]

That's true

[scenic vine]

man rip seahawks

[ancient bridge]

This is not build pics lil bro

[finite frigate]

shut up loser

[ancient bridge]

Larry

The

Loser

[wind prairie]

My rule is if it can run occt for 30 min its good

If it can run fortnite its stable

Ue5 update did something

[alpine mantle]

Lol

I wonder if i can run 4000CL17-19-19-38, so far 4000CL18-20-20-40 has been stable at 1.4v dram/1.27v SA/1.2v VDDQ

But I don't want to go through that hassle

Gonna do an occt linpack run and move on

[ancient bridge]

RAISE YOUR TREFI

16500 is so low

[alpine mantle]

._.

You gotta wait, BUB

Is 4000mhz CL18-20-20-40 better than 3600 CL16-18-18-38???

[faint tangle]

depends on cpu

with most amd cpus hell nah

[alpine mantle]

Lol

[faint tangle]

I think it'd be close in a lot of scenarios as long as the cpu can handle it in gear 1 though

[alpine mantle]

Well im using a 13600k

Its handling 4000mhz gear 1

Also have it at 1T

[alpine mantle]

Got WHEA error on OCCT linpack, gonna bump up the core voltage by a bit

[proven canopy]

phenom is very fun - with ln2

[alpine mantle]

I had a critical_process_died because i accidentally moved the usb stick (has os im running on), imma consider occt linpack stable lolz

[ancient bridge]

Bros running his os on a flash drive

That won't last long

Or is that just SD cards that don't like random reads/writes

[mental turret]

x79 is very fun

(you should try it)

[ancient bridge]

Truw

[dapper drum]

@short blade Hey mushroom. I put my vccio and vccsa at 1.2000 to attempt to figure out what the issue may be. Because if they aren’t supposed to go above those values then like you mentioned there should be a different issue

Can I ask what the possible other issues are? Could my timing’s possibly be off? Or something else?

[short blade]

they're fine to go above those values, but it shouldn't be necessary for 3600

[dapper drum]

Well yessir I understand, but you mentioned possible cpu degrading

With such high voltage in proportion to the frequency being ran

If 1.2 is possible to reach

Maybe I should try to reach it?

Or 1.15

[short blade]

I don't think your cpu would have degraded that quickly

[dapper drum]

Alright alright

I had my vccio set at 1.3 and my vccsa set at 1.4 I think. Are those values viable?

It did show the 1.4 on the vccsa end as red text

[finite frigate]

lmao

[short blade]

what's the difference between "cpu vccio" and "vccio mem oc" 🥴

wonder if you need to set both

I've always just seen a single vccio voltage

[finite frigate]

probably before and after post

[alpine mantle]

I tried replicating moving the usb stick to trigger critical_process_died

Nothing happened

I guess i gotta check the cpu

[humble jay]

Higher end z590/b560 boards split up vccio into two parts. The main part does nothing at all for oc, VCCIO mem oc helps a lot just like on skylake, and also isn’t fragile like on skylake (benched 1.7v VCCIO mem oc on ambient ez)

[short blade]

thanks

I've only used b560 with 10th gen so I'm assuming it's not a thing on 10th gen

[humble jay]

Nope

Just together as VCCIO

[short blade]

good to know

he definitely shouldn't need that much sa/io for 3600, right?

[humble jay]

Hopefully not

Maybe for dual rank 1T

On a potato

[short blade]

it's single rank 2T

2x8gb

[humble jay]

Then yeah not needed so high, but it’ll most likely be fine forever

[short blade]

just feel like it's a sign that something else is the problem

[alpine mantle]

Alright did a 2hr 10 minute stress test on linpack and it passed, that means the cpu is alright and there is no bsods

Let's gooo

Gonna tweak the remaining timings later

[proven canopy]

lol

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97723220

[kind walrus]

Jfc

Insane score

Well done

[proven canopy]

memes https://i.imgur.com/kO48gP9.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/GJU5Ii8.png

[sudden torrent]

How do you even get ahold of quad A5000s

Those things are ridiculously hard to find right now

[kind walrus]

That whole system is just a scary amount of dosh

[mental turret]

munee

[alpine mantle]

That money be overflowing DAYUM

[proven canopy]

Bought them a few months ago in a large lot of hardware back when they were 800 eBay or so. I plan to park them in a server that should rent out for 1k as month once I'm done messing with them for hwbot stuff

[short blade]

i think i should just daily 3600 tight timings until i sell this system for the sake of my sanity lol

surely boot to boot instability won't be a problem at 3600 right

[scenic vine]

Shirley

[alpine mantle]

Why is it that changing trrds trrdl and tfaw to lower values give me worse performance and latency?

Like my default is 10/15/56 and would have 62.5k mb/s read, 60k mb/s write, and 62.1k mb/s copy with 54.7ns

And 4/4/16 is 60k mb/s read, 60k mb/s write, and 57k mb/s copy with 57.6ns

This is not only happening in aida64 but y-cruncher 1b aswell

Like default would be around 29 seconds
And the tweaked one is around 31

Imma test 6/6/24 and see if its any better as 4/6/16 was not ok either

Huh... I went back to the default timings and its reporting almost the same way, why is it fluctuating like this?

Ycruncher went up to 30.8 secs

[dull ginkgo]

Do 5 runs each and average the run time

[alpine mantle]

Ah ok

[dull ginkgo]

Also maybe it's barely stable and perf is worse from correcting instability

[alpine mantle]

Yea that's what im thinking

I probably got to up the voltage

[short blade]

did you ever figure out which IC you have?

[alpine mantle]

Nope

[short blade]

try 4/6/16 and 6/6/24

[alpine mantle]

I tried 4/6/16 and it was a tad better but not as good as default

[short blade]

it's common to be unstable with 4/4/16 on some hynix ICs especially as freq goes up

[alpine mantle]

I thought it was due to the memory being unstable and correcting it like what MR1111 said

Legit thought about raising vccsa

[short blade]

i don't think voltages will make a difference with rrd/faw

[alpine mantle]

Hmmmm

Ok

I'll try 6/6/24 and also disable power down mode as its in auto

[short blade]

that should have been disabled from the start

also

running aida in safe mode might get you more consistent results

it's just not a great bench anyways though

[alpine mantle]

IMLC GUI was consistent though

[short blade]

oh you're running IMLC

[alpine mantle]

Ye and aida with ycruncher 1b

[short blade]

IMLC can't run in safe mode but yeah it should be better than AIDA

i'd just try game benchmarks personally

SOTTR is nice for testing ram scaling

[alpine mantle]

I don't have any games on my benchos

Lol

[short blade]

ah

my spare ssd doesn't even have room for games

bro is 240 gb

[alpine mantle]

My flashdrive is 256gb

Hehe

[short blade]

you're running windows off of a flash drive?

[alpine mantle]

Yes

Yes i am

[short blade]

💀

[alpine mantle]

This bad boy can go 300mb/s READ

Lets goooo

[short blade]

mine can too but i think the write speeds and randoms are pretty bad

[alpine mantle]

Bruh

Got a coefficient too large after testing for the third time on y-cruncher 1b

WTF WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF Y-CRUNCHER VST?

[short blade]

i have honestly not found VST to be very helpful

my laptop passed VST at a MUCH higher frequency than was actually stable

and my desktop passed VST at MUCH lower voltages than were actually stable

[alpine mantle]

Bruh

Damn

This ram oc is hell

[short blade]

lol

yeah i'm just dailying 3600 now

not gonna keep the system for much longer

i stopped caring

[alpine mantle]

Frfr

I won't do a ram oc again, just buy a better kit, turn on xmp, and be done with it

FFS

[short blade]

raptor lake is just a broken platform for daily ram oc

[alpine mantle]

^^^

Crappylake*

[short blade]

just buy a better platform tbh

daily ram oc on zen 4? done in 2 days

[alpine mantle]

Sheesh

Even with all those extra stuff?

[short blade]

when i did the daily ram oc on the 7800x3d

it figured out all the voltages and resistances for 6400 automatically

and was perfectly stable after that

no boot to boot variance

[alpine mantle]

Wow

[short blade]

no insane intermittent instability

it was just... done in one go

lol

[alpine mantle]

😲

[short blade]

no wheas

no errors at 20000%

[alpine mantle]

But raptorlake... Whooo boy

[short blade]

no randomly turning on your pc on one day and it bsods opening discord

[alpine mantle]

LMAO

One time i bsod because i ran youtube

🔥

[short blade]

i dunno what they did to make zen 4 so stable

much better than zen 2/3 as well

[alpine mantle]

Amd magic

[short blade]

not like i'm not pushing it hard either

3200 MCLK 3200 UCLK 2200 FCLK

pretty much pushing it as hard as it can possibly be pushed

[alpine mantle]

I don't understand how does one daily VCCSA AT 1.45v

[short blade]

i had vsoc at 1.25v

[alpine mantle]

People setting ram to 1.6v

[short blade]

well below explosion range lol

[alpine mantle]

Coefficient is too large... Again

3rd try ycruncher 1-b

[short blade]

this 13700k makes me miss that 7800x3d

at least the new owner is happy with it

[alpine mantle]

Lol

[short blade]

haven't had a single complaint about it despite it running a daily ram oc on the edge

[alpine mantle]

I see

[short blade]

6400 synced is pushing it to the edge on zen 4

[alpine mantle]

I dunno how zen stuff works but cool

[short blade]

im dailying 1.000 SA now btw lol

[alpine mantle]

That's pretty good

My lowest daily SA was 1.15v

[alpine mantle]

Saving power and lasting the chip

That's really solid for 3600mhz

Hol up... I also daily 3600mhz not too long ago

Does raptorlake FAVOR 3600MHZ?

[short blade]

2.5w idle

[alpine mantle]

The lowest for me was around 3-4w

[short blade]

4080 is also super efficient at idle

i wish i had a wall meter lol

i wonder how much power i'm drawing in total

[alpine mantle]

Do you want... A sonoff S31?

[short blade]

most of my fans turn off at idle too

including psu fan

only my radiator fans are on and spinning at 700 rpm

[alpine mantle]

I honestly don't know if 1.275v SA is a "safe" daily

[short blade]

wonder if i can get total system power draw to 20w

[short blade]

100%

[alpine mantle]

It doesn't look like its worth it for 4000mhz

Oh

[mental turret]

It is

[short blade]

i was dailying 1.365v and that's still safe

[alpine mantle]

Whoa ok

[alpine mantle]

Aight

[short blade]

up to 1.45v you're fine, 1.45v is unlikely to actually get you anything though

[mental turret]

Speaking of imc

[alpine mantle]

Apparently setting my dram to 1.41v can't boot

[mental turret]

I need to bin IMC for my edussy

[alpine mantle]

Frick the imc
Frick raptorlake
Frick intel
Frick ram

[mental turret]

Walling at 2860C13 with my best chip

[alpine mantle]

Jk

[short blade]

I'm running pretty low vdimm now too

3600 14-14-14-18 1T at 1.48v

not bad for a 3200c14 bin honestly

considering it's DR as well

1.48v is not bad

tWR 12 is also stable at this low of a frequency

[alpine mantle]

Isn't jedec state that max vdimm is 1.5v for safety?

[short blade]

yes

[alpine mantle]

Aight

[short blade]

b-die, rev. e, and djr can easily ignore that lol

you can daily b-die/djr at over 2v if you can keep it cool enough

dunno about rev. e

[mental turret]

Try 4200C12 🥴

[short blade]

but I was fine dailying >1.5

[short blade]

I'd need gear 2 for 4200 💀

I can boot 4200 gear 1 but can't get it to run for more than 5 minutes

[alpine mantle]

I can boot up to 4133 but the ram kills the OS

[short blade]

4133 gear 1 is max "stable"

[alpine mantle]

gear 1 same

[short blade]

4133 12-12-12... maybe possible at 2.2v or something lol idk

4133 15-15-15 takes 1.58

4133 14-14-14 bootable at 1.70 I think

not stable but bootable

[alpine mantle]

What da heck

Thats sooo tight

Too tight

[short blade]

probably need subambient cooling if I wanted to actually try 4133 12-12-12

[alpine mantle]

Just buy a 4133 kit

Ez

Jkjk

[short blade]

ah yes

[mental turret]

The worst of my sticks could do it with about 1.9V

[short blade]

4133 12-12-12 2v xmp bin 💀

[mental turret]

Most bdie doesn't scale that high past 1.95 or so

[alpine mantle]

Its gotta be safe

[short blade]

I'm not sure that this kit could do it at 1.9

it's not the best kit

given what I need for 15-15-15 stable and 14-14-14 bootable

[mental turret]

Try it

4200C12 shouldn't be too hard

Single rank dimms right

[short blade]

I don't think 12-12-12 will post at 1.9

no

dual rank

[mental turret]

Oh

Hmm

[short blade]

if the kit can do 12-12-12 bench stable it's probably around 2v

would unironically need chilled water to try to daily that kind of voltage here lol

maybe more doable at school where I can keep ambient at 18c

keeping ambient at 18c all the time sounds miserable though

[short blade]

did you bin any DR sticks?

any 3200c14 DR? lol