overclocking

[sudden torrent]

All of the voltages

[modern walrus]

ya it's rough ngl lol

[wheat lintel]

Hmm I’ll give a lower VDD a shot

[modern walrus]

VDD is like a sweet spot based on tCL. It's not like bdie where more VDD helps with higher frequency

I haven't really figured out what to guess for VDDQ/VDDQ TX (CPU VDDQ) but VDDQ TX lower than auto helps me run higher frequency (counterintuitive to me at least). CPU VDD2 (IMC voltage) tends to go up with frequency, but is easy to overvolt. SA is like totally a sweet spot type deal that as far as I can tell, depends on your IMC.

oh & VDD VDDQ, I just set the same as VDD, but anecdotally, I've heard setting it slightly lower than VDD can help

[wheat lintel]

Bruh idk what I did but I’m back to 7600 not posting

[sudden torrent]

That's when you consult your spreadsheet

[wheat lintel]

Do you have an example of a spreadsheet?

[sudden torrent]

Mushroom has been doing similar overclocking b-die

[mental turret]

@wheat lintel are you overclocking for daily stability or for benchmarking performance

[wheat lintel]

Benchmarking

[mental turret]

and you're on ddr5 arent you?

[wheat lintel]

Yep

[mental turret]

id ignore that ss then

[wheat lintel]

Yeah I know, just looking for a template I could modify for me

[mental turret]

though unfortunately i dont know enough about ddr5 to suggest a good place to start

[wheat lintel]

That SS will work for me

[mental turret]

what kind of memory do you have

post a picture of the label

[wheat lintel]

It’s Hynix A-die, I have a general understanding of it just there’s so many small intricacies with it that’s it’s a pain

[mental turret]

yea exactly lol

im surprised you arent in the hwbot server yet

Id join there and ask for pointers and what you should try to learn regarding the quirks of ddr5 oc(dont just ask for someone to basically OC for you)

[wheat lintel]

I’m in the r/OC discord which is fairly helpful

[mental turret]

uh oh

who's been helping you there

[wheat lintel]

Mostly krunk and some other guys here and there

[mental turret]

i guess krunk is probably fine for that

[wheat lintel]

Anyone to watch out for?

[mental turret]

not necessarily

there;'s just way too many people that just care about looking "smart" and knowledgable and dont actually try to give advice for the sake of helping

reddit in general lol

[wheat lintel]

Yeah I’ve seen a few guys like that

[mental turret]

they're 🤡

[ancient bridge]

@finite frigate Yo do u have the vbios for your card that u were talking about

[finite frigate]

it’s the FTW3 ultra gaming oc bios on tech power up

[ancient bridge]

I wanna see if it will worky

ok

Prob wont cool it well but we'll see

[ancient bridge]

YOOO IT WORKED

330 watts now

[short blade]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08QHNJ84W

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08W224DXL

any ideas what ICs these might be using?

i'm wondering if 3200 16-18-18-38 could be rev. e

[sudden torrent]

Could be literally anything

C die is pretty common at that bin

[short blade]

those are pretty tight timings for laptop ram

I kinda want to upgrade my laptop to 32gb and get a better overclocking IC at the same time

cause I'm running 3505 19-20-20-40 rn

the oem ram doesn't scale above 1.25V

[finite frigate]

just buy crucial dimms

[short blade]

i can't find 3200c16 binned ballistix anymore

[finite frigate]

buy jedec rev.e

[short blade]

not sure if I want to play the lottery on the random crucial sodimms

how do I tell it's rev. e

[finite frigate]

you want rev.b for 16gb btw

[short blade]

or that

[finite frigate]

but just go on ebay and look at the die

/product number

[short blade]

I don't know if any of this is different for laptops

[finite frigate]

hard to find confirmed screenshots of the mobile stuff

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175798303592? this is, apparently rev.e

yeah, D9WFL is rev.e

[short blade]

what

why is this the default lol

my vpn is connected to hong kong

[finite frigate]

lmao

[short blade]

I changed my VPN to the US and it still thinks I'm in colombia

I can't tell how to change it

[short blade]

is there a reference for which part number is which revision?

[finite frigate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/knowledge/d9codes/

oh also bleach, my rev.e dimms are c9blm

[short blade]

ooh nice

same as mine

[finite frigate]

i see why you say they’re the best bin

cause they’re the ballistix max 4400 c19 ic’s lmao

[short blade]

thanks

[finite frigate]

ram purchased?

[short blade]

nah I'm gonna look around a bit

I'm still in china no point buying rn

rev. e still preferred for 8gbit dual rank right?

rev. b for 16gbit?

[finite frigate]

yes

[finite frigate]

yes

[short blade]

and the kit you linked is DR 8 gbit rev. e right?

I'm not entirely sure how ranks work with sodimms

like x8 and x16

is x8 the equivalent of SR and x16 DR?

[finite frigate]

i believe so

[short blade]

@finite frigate i offered 40 and it got accepted

guess i'm buying it

i was not expecting 40 to get accepted lol

instead of 56

30% off almost

wonder how much i can sell the oem ram for

[proven canopy]

That's the bit width. The bus is 64 bits, so you only need 4 x16 chips

[short blade]

i've sold 8gb generic 2133 sodimm for $15 before

relatively recently

maybe i can get $30 for this 16gb generic 3200 jedec

think a 16gb kit of 3200 still retails for around 40

[proven canopy]

If you had 8 x16 chips on one stick, it'd be dual rank

Just as 16 x8 s8b is DR bdie

[short blade]

so this is 16x8 right?

or am i misunderstanding

16x8 8gbit rev. e?

[proven canopy]

What is

[short blade]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175798303592

[proven canopy]

That would be, yes

[short blade]

i see 8 chips on each side

so this is DR rev. e?

hopefully decent for ocing as far as laptop ddr4? lol

[proven canopy]

If you can look up the IC and confirm it's m8e, yes

[short blade]

we did

[proven canopy]

Things get tricky with lpddr5/similar, but I think ddr4 should be the same

[short blade]

well, i paid for it, nothing left to do but hope it overclocks well

will definitely update here

[wheat lintel]

I am so confused rn, I finally got 7400 MT/s stable

Had to bring my VDD and VDDQ down to 1.4V

Damn sweet spots

[blazing blade]

Someone help me out rq

So I was overclocking cpu

Everything was fine

Then I touched my cpu cooler like a lil nd my pc shut off

I turned it back on nd the fans turn on but no display

Then I reset cmos still won’t work

Then I tried booting without cmos and still won’t work

Bios still won’t reset

Ik because my fan leds turn on when I reset bios but there still off

So anyone got any ideals?

Ideas

[unreal dune]

bro shocked his pc to death 💀

[blazing blade]

Nah like acc

[unreal dune]

prob

[blazing blade]

Everything turns on tho

Cmos won’t reset tho even with the cmos battery out

[sudden torrent]

How much is "a little" when you touched the cooler?

I'd try reseating your CPU and checking for bent pins while you have it out

[blazing blade]

Nvm it works

Overclock server go crazy

[blazing blade]

Legit just rubbed my finger at most with no pressure

Someone told me to put ram in diff socket it works now

[proven canopy]

Mick benching for the oldzen ramvenge hwbot comp -
https://www.twitch.tv/mickulty

https://hwbot.org/competition/Oldzen RAMvenge/

[mental turret]

does zen/zen+ hate H8D or something? I saw that mick was using H4A instead and wasnt sure why

I might do that stage

[short blade]

has anyone tried something like this in a laptop? is it worth it at all?

[mental turret]

I assume you're asking for the few laptops that let you overvolt their sodimms?

[short blade]

yeah I can go up to 1.65 vdimm

[mental turret]

what IC

[short blade]

I have rev. e sodimms on the way

[mental turret]

for something temp sensitive like S8B, that might actually be helpful depending on the design of the laptop

[short blade]

if $3 incl shipping lets me run better trefi or something I'll take it

right now my oem ram is limited to trefi 32768

[mental turret]

trefi barely actually affects performance

i wouldnt bother caring about it

[short blade]

sure but it's $3 lol

[mental turret]

giga-copium

actual copium

[short blade]

I paid more for the desktop ddr3 heatsinks that do legit nothing except look cool

[mental turret]

you have better things to care about for tuning that memory

[short blade]

they do look really cool though

[mental turret]

not when you cant see them because they're inside the laptop

[short blade]

I meant the desktop ddr3 heatsinks

[mental turret]

oh lol

[short blade]

they're pretty hard to see under the ram cooler tho, have to look at an angle

I should cut a hole in the bottom of my laptop and mount a fan over the ram

we daily 3600c12 1.6v in a laptop

[finite frigate]

3733 g1 tune on the way?

[short blade]

I don't think the imc will do that but we can find out

[finite frigate]

if your cpu is a better bin version of mine i dont see any reasonw hy it wouldnt

[mental turret]

what cpu

[short blade]

11800H

it did 3600 g1 @ 1.15v SA for a while on the oem ram and then it stopped doing that so i'm not sure if i degraded it at 1.15v or what

now running 3505 g1 @ 1.10v SA

i'll have to see what it can do again with new ram but

not sure if i want to exceed 1.10v SA now

[mental turret]

raise SA lol

[short blade]

i didn't update bios or anything between dailying 3600 and not being able to post 3600

[mental turret]

id go up to 1.3 without worry on rocketlake

[short blade]

it's tiger lake

i don't know if it's different so default is to exercise caution

i thought 1.15v would be safe to daily but now not sure

i will try it again with the new ram but i don't think i will go above 1.15

cpu vcore is around 1.15 as well with my all-core oc

[ancient bridge]

If it makes u feel any better I can do 4000 gr1 anymore

[short blade]

what voltages were you running?

[mental turret]

same thing

you're way to conservative with voltages across the board

[ancient bridge]

1.35

12,700k

[short blade]

interesting

wouldn't think that would be too high

[short blade]

it's first gen 10nm tiger lake vs. ultra refined 14nm rocket lake

I'd be shocked if the voltage characteristics were the same

[mental turret]

RAHHH SAME THING

[scenic vine]

Intels been pretty consistent across nodes

Is it fivr though?

[short blade]

I don't think so

11800H?

[mental turret]

I need more

DDR3

RAHHHH

[finite frigate]

no

[mental turret]

Stay mad stay jealous

[wheat lintel]

How good is 125ns for tRFC on B-die?

Worth trying to get it lower?

[mental turret]

What frequency are the dimms at?

[finite frigate]

3800

[sudden torrent]

That's pretty good already, you won't gain much going 5ns lower

[mental turret]

jsut tested 7 sticks of ddie and they were all garbage 🥱

[wheat lintel]

Should I keep trying to get this spot off of the die?

It won’t come off no matter what I do

[mental turret]

no thats fine

honestly i doubt that'll cause any sort of problem

[short blade]

gg

your hotspot temps will go up by 0.06C

just throw the whole laptop away

[humble jay]

Flitz polish but yes doesn’t matter

[scenic vine]

Not worth

[wheat lintel]

@kind walrus Asrock has a new vBIOS for the 7900xtx

540w PL

[kind walrus]

[wheat lintel]

I know what I’m doing when I get home

Maybe I’ll get an extra 20 MHz on my vram

[kind walrus]

Wait where did you find this

[wheat lintel]

Asrock website

https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Radeon RX 7900 XTX AQUA 24GB OC/index.asp#BIOS

It’s the extreme bios, apparently it’s been a thing since end of May

[kind walrus]

Oh

I knew the aqua had one but I think you need one of those bios usb sticks to make it work on a mismatched id card

It's not like nvflash where you can just tell the card to listen

[wheat lintel]

Isn’t there an AMD equivalent to nvflash?

[kind walrus]

There is but iirc you need like a CH318A stick (or whatever it's called) to forcibly override the bios if it's not an exact model match

And from what I've heard the aqua vbios can be hit or miss

(that said the dummy using it wasn't the most credible)

[wheat lintel]

[sudden torrent]

There's a dos flash program you can use to write AMD bios. You can boot dos off a USB and run it.

[mental turret]

Ch341a

[proven canopy]

Get a TL866 instead

[mental turret]

thats like 7x the price

not worth it if you dont need it regularly

[mental turret]

1.975Vdimm .95Vtt
no idea how good this is relative to other benching-competitive bdie tbh

[mental turret]

bazinga

[wheat lintel]

@kind walrus I bought that teamgroup DDR5 kit

I wonder if I’ll be able to hit 8000 on it

[ancient bridge]

🗿

[zenith palm]

It's not the mem that's the problem it's the boards and imc's

[wheat lintel]

I’m hitting 7400 on a 64Gb kit

I am being limited by IMC but mostly because of the 64Gb

[short blade]

need more biscuits

[wheat lintel]

You going to make me some?

[short blade]

sure

come over

[wheat lintel]

@short blade got it stable, set my Drvstrengths to 60-30-30-60 and my setup to 56-56-0 and it’s stable

And my pc restarted after 20 minutes of ycruncher

But we’re getting a lot better than 67 seconds

I brought my procODT up to 48 ohms and testing that rn

[short blade]

ah yes... stable

what a fickle word

nice progress tho

[short blade]

anyone know if i can flash 4080 strix VBIOS to 4080 tuf?

i flashed 3070 strix to 3070 tuf and it worked flawlessly

same power connector, same display outputs

[ancient bridge]

Why not just try and find out 🌚

[short blade]

i don't have it yet

i just paid

just thinking about what to do with it in advance

bnib sealed tuf 4080 oc for 800 i'm pretty happy with it

should be able to resell in 2 months for 0 loss before i go back to school

pretty much what the msrp should have been, lol

i paid a little bit less for my launch 3080

but that had white tax attached

[sterile flame]

if even that much considering it's not cut down 102 like last gen...

[short blade]

nvm, it was a scam lol

second time in a row I got scammed on a gpu

just my luck

I don't know why people bother with scamming when it's paypal g&s

[sterile flame]

sadge

[short blade]

yeah it takes a few weeks to get refunded so it's still annoying

new development: he claims he had 2 available (the scam indicator was that 2 people paid for the invoice) and is still sending me one... let's see how it goes, paypal dispute is already open so either I get a card or a refund, I'm ok with either outcome atp

[sudden torrent]

They hope to be able to slow down the process long enough to cash out and disappear

It often doesn't work but it does occasionally, and it only takes one person that's not paying attention.

[wheat lintel]

@short blade I GOT IT, I FINALLY GOT IT

1 hour of ycruncher, 5 cycles of PCBD and anta777extreme and OCCT and no errors at all

GDM off and 1T is stable

No. My mobo didn’t load my timings

I wasted my day

[mental turret]

What settings?

[mental turret]

HWBot Team Cup soon 🤓

[ancient bridge]

Yippeee

I've got a whole 2 platforms to bench 💀

I won't be much help

[steel spade]

yes

connector doesn't matter

3x8 strix vbios works just fine on 2x8 tuf 3080

same thing with 4080

[mental turret]

which do you plan on doing

[steel spade]

Still mad that the TUF doesn't have 3x8

[ancient bridge]

Uhh both likely

[steel spade]

so dumb ~ the cooler can sustain 500w

[ancient bridge]

this 12700k is nothing special

I can do 5.2 all core

But nothing beyond that

[mental turret]

both what?

[ancient bridge]

Oh uh

well my daily, the 4770k, 4790k, and ima try the 4670k again

but ice bucket

[mental turret]

epic

actually im not sure there are stages where you can use those

[ancient bridge]

rip

LOL

[short blade]

why does your mobo keep doing this

might as well start checking before you test

[wheat lintel]

Yeah i started doing that now

Screw Assrock

[short blade]

power connectors definitely mattered on 3080

you could still flash strix vbios but you would effectively get 2/3 power limit

since it would copy the reading of 8-pin #1 to 8-pin #3

[wheat lintel]

Think I got anything I could use?

[short blade]

did this research when I was trying to get past 370w on my 3080 vision

[steel spade]

i gained/saw same perf with strix vbios

1% better

power might have been lower iirc but it performed better

[short blade]

don't think it's an asrock issue

never had this issue on my asrock boards

[wheat lintel]

Anyone wanna send over a gpu to use for the team cup

[short blade]

maybe it's just failing to post and you didn't notice

[wheat lintel]

That’s probably what’s going on but like it goes by so quickly

[short blade]

prob just higher factory oc if you weren't overclocking it

[steel spade]

was overclocked

+275 core with timespy ext +200 with firestrike ext

[short blade]

did you keep the same offset before and after

[steel spade]

yes

[short blade]

then it's still the higher factory oc I guess

[sudden torrent]

Ghost pins whoooOOOOoooo 👻

[steel spade]

dunno

it let me go higher with strix in that case

[short blade]

my 3070 gained a ton going from tuf to strix vbios cause both 2x8 cards

it was funny watching the card hit voltage limit instead of power limit

350w power limit and it couldn't exceed 325

[sudden torrent]

tmw your 3070 could use more power than my 3090

[steel spade]

with shunt im still hardlimited to 450w

[mental turret]

https://hwbot.org/competition/TC2023/
Check the stages

[wheat lintel]

For that Geekbench6 multi core, does my 13900k qualify if I disable E-cores?

[short blade]

yeah that's because of your phantom 8 pin

you'd get more power limit flashing vision vbios or something, but dunno how well it would work

you'd also lose an hdmi probably

[mental turret]

nope (i think)

[short blade]

💀

probably performed better too

[steel spade]

No

it's 490w with TUF bios

with shunt

[short blade]

oh you're back on tuf bios

[steel spade]

i haven't shunted it yet

but someone else tested this all

it should be hitting 553w but it will not go past 490W

8mOhm shunts on the stock 5mOhms

[short blade]

well what's the core voltage

could just be voltage limited

[steel spade]

1.1

[short blade]

yeah

it's just voltage limited

[steel spade]

yes

whats super irritating is that the TUFs cooler is more than capable of 500W

yet its stock power is 340w

[short blade]

epower it then lol

my 3070 tuf was eating 325w at like 40c

[steel spade]

yeah i'll get around to using an EVC

[short blade]

while the stock power limit was 220w and max adjustment was 252 iirc

[steel spade]

3080 does 330w at 50c with 69c hotspot

490w is 67c with 82c hotspot and mem

[short blade]

4080 tuf has the same cooler as 4090 tuf right?

man I hope I hit the 0.01% chance that he actually sends it lol

[steel spade]

it should

[wheat lintel]

We love Asus auto voltages

[short blade]

that's pretty tame

[wheat lintel]

It casually trying to set 1.55V at LL4

[short blade]

saw someone flexing his asus ai suite oc saying wow oc is so easy these days I let the software hit 6 ghz for me

[wheat lintel]

Wasn’t stable?

[short blade]

his cpu voltage? 1.7v

[wheat lintel]

[short blade]

goodbye 13900ks

[steel spade]

i need to update my bios or something

my 5900x was doing 4.7-4.9GHz at 1.35v before and now it just refuses to do even like 4.2GHz at 1.4v

[short blade]

thankfully he didn't know what a stability test is because it probably would have let out the magic smoke 3 seconds into one

[steel spade]

lol i keep forgetting its not LTT

JUst doesn't make sense to me that it's not doing anything with 1.4v

[wheat lintel]

Do you think a CPU would get degraded from constant 100Ccish at 1.55V?

Because this guy is getting errors at P95 smallFFTs at stock

[short blade]

if it's a modern cpu, definitely

[wheat lintel]

13900k

[short blade]

what was he doing with it lmao

F@H at 1.55v?

cpu mining????

[wheat lintel]

Nothing, Asus bios just has AI suite turned on automatically

[short blade]

bruh

at this point how are people still buying asus boards for anything besides xoc lol

[wheat lintel]

Prebuilt

[short blade]

it set 1.55v out of the box?

is that load vcore or set?

either way it's ridiculous but one is a lot more ridiculous

anyways, yeah his cpu is shot, getting errors at stock is proof enough

assuming he has ram at jedec too while testing for cpu degradation yeah?

[short blade]

was it an asus prebuilt

if so no wonder it was at 100c constantly lol

[wheat lintel]

When he was running Cinebench and P95 load was 1.1V but I think AI suite wasn’t kicking in or something

[wheat lintel]

Nah, custom build

Custom loop and everything

But I ruled out basically anything other than degradation

[short blade]

💀 so just the insane voltage then

I just remember asus had a prebuilt where they managed to get a 3700x to run at 101c

when the throttle point is 90

it was just barely not hitting thermal shutdown

that chip runs perfectly fine on its stock cooler

but they put on a cooler that was much worse than stock

[wheat lintel]

The stock cooler was keeping mine under 75C no matter what

[short blade]

then they stuck it in an absolute oven of a case

[wheat lintel]

Such a nice thing

Shame the fan blade snapped on me

[short blade]

how did that even happen

[steel spade]

they accidentally used grit grinding paste instead of thermal paste obviously

[short blade]

lol

[wheat lintel]

This is running cinebench at the moment

[short blade]

they accidentally sprayed insulator on the cpu

looks like stock PL kicking in and limiting it

yeah

does the board have vr vout or something

remove the power limits and see what it's hitting

[wheat lintel]

It’s got Vcore

That’s without power limits

[short blade]

it says 253w pl in the screenshot my guy

at the bottom

[wheat lintel]

Oh I’m dumb, seems like he actually did turn on the PL2 like I said

Before he was saying it was crashing with it on

[ancient bridge]

Sad temps

[wheat lintel]

Kinda but not really

[ancient bridge]

Yeahhh

[short blade]

he should just RMA it with the prebuilt company and then you can help him avoid degradation on the replacement

[ancient bridge]

Could be the core density but im 80c at that same wattage

On a ls720

[short blade]

1.19v is perfectly fine but is that still with pl throttling it to 4.4ghz?

[wheat lintel]

Yeah

[short blade]

prebuilt might not be using contact frame either

[ancient bridge]

Ahhh

[wheat lintel]

I really doubt that it is

[ancient bridge]

Forgot I even installed that

LMAO

[short blade]

lol

mine is surprisingly easy to see under my cooler so I'm glad I didn't settle for red or blue when they were having stock issues

I was told to just get them cause you won't see it once installed anyways

if I got red or blue it would be visible without even looking for it

[steel spade]

i use gravity

put case on backside and just stick cooler on

no mounting needed

no ILM

[restive sequoia]

anyone got any x3d cpu to go toe to toe

[wheat lintel]

I got 13900k 😁

[ancient bridge]

Oh I can't see mine

I just got black

Cause why not

[short blade]

we can fight in aida

I don't think I ran any cpu benchmarks

just stabilized -20 all core and called it a day

I wasn't paid to do any oc on it, just did some very basic pbo cause he was nice and did ram oc because I wanted to try ddr5

[steel spade]

i set all core to -15 on my 5900x then stopped caring

if i really wanted good overclocking i'd be using a dark hero

[short blade]

lol my 5800x needed +5 on core 0

in order to run 200 fmax

at stock speeds it could run +0 but not -1

literally minimum spec core

[ancient bridge]

That's all?

L

[short blade]

and cppc listed it as my best core LOL

[short blade]

that's... good?

[ancient bridge]

My chip was weird

[short blade]

all core -15 means your best cores can do -15

which is nuts

[wheat lintel]

I spent way too much time optimize CO for my 5900x

I want that PC back

Crosshair VIII hero + good bin 5900x

[short blade]

lol I don't think I'll ever repeat what I did for my 5800x

[ancient bridge]

I did -25 all core but couldn't oc over 4.8 all core 💀

[short blade]

CO is so much nicer on X3D chips

and intel is intel

[ancient bridge]

I see people doing -30

[short blade]

the difficulty in amd cpu oc is figuring out what to test for stability

the difficulty in intel cpu oc is figuring out how to test for stability

lmao

[short blade]

on a non X3D chip?

[ancient bridge]

Yes

5900x

[short blade]

I'm assuming 0 fmax?

or they just have a god bin

-30 all core?

[steel spade]

Cause i didn't wanna run corecycler

[ancient bridge]

Yes lol

Like I said

I used to do -25 all core with +200

On my 5900x

[ancient bridge]

Lol

I never tried per core

Too lazy

[steel spade]

then you did not overclock it properly

[steel spade]

rather i was too lazy to instal lit

[ancient bridge]

So

Per core co just takes too long lmao

Finally messed with my ram again

[steel spade]

so y are you saying my -15 is bad lol

[ancient bridge]

Couldn't get 4000 gear 1 stable easily might try again

[short blade]

💀

[ancient bridge]

So 3900 14 15 13 28

[short blade]

bro had a 5930x

[ancient bridge]

Lmao

[short blade]

my 5690x could never

[steel spade]

doubt you're gonna get 4000 gear 1

[ancient bridge]

But I could only do 4.8 all core compared to people doing 5

[short blade]

why not?

4000 gear 1 isn't that ambitious

[ancient bridge]

😭

[steel spade]

its not that ambitious but that would be too high luck

dude gonna have bad karma for the rest of his life

[short blade]

saw some lucky dude dailying 4500 gear 1 💀 wish I was him

[ancient bridge]

I'm on a 12700k

[steel spade]

What chip?

[steel spade]

Meant on 5900x

[ancient bridge]

Oh yeah

[short blade]

13900k or ks don't remember

[steel spade]

well yeah

[ancient bridge]

My 5900x only did 3733

[steel spade]

i was talking about 4k on 5900

mine does 3800

[short blade]

well gear implies intel

[steel spade]

super super super bad bin

[short blade]

how is that a bad bin

[steel spade]

IMC good but chip is bad

super bad chip

[short blade]

3800 1:1 is already good bin

[steel spade]

i hate it

[short blade]

oh

[ancient bridge]

What were u able to get

[short blade]

I saw someone running 4266 1:1 on zen 3 like... bro how even

[ancient bridge]

All core

[steel spade]

4.8 at... 1.35v

[ancient bridge]

Oh

[short blade]

I don't remember which zen 3 chip it was

[sudden torrent]

My chip can do 4000 1:1 just ignore that WHEA

[short blade]

but it wasn't an APU

[steel spade]

All core is only really relevant to dynamic OC boards

[ancient bridge]

THAS WHAT IM SAYING

[short blade]

I think it was a 5900x

[steel spade]

cause pbo is crap at all

[short blade]

he probably had wheas lol he just showed a run of tm5 extreme1

[ancient bridge]

Oh

Def

[sudden torrent]

You can get corrected errors, which often leads to lower actual performance than it it was stable

[ancient bridge]

How is 5.2 all core on 12700k

All P cores

Ofc

[short blade]

that's really good isn't it

[ancient bridge]

I dunno

Lmao

I only daily 5.1

[short blade]

I feel like I normally see 5.1 on 12700k

[ancient bridge]

52 isnt completely stable

Yeahh

[steel spade]

im gonna try doing 1.35v 4.7

cause 4.2 1.4v wasnt working

[ancient bridge]

Oof

[steel spade]

1.4v might have been reason but i still think it isnt

[sudden torrent]

There's a reason we use curve optimizer to undervolt and get more performance

[steel spade]

Pbo is not going to beat manual all core

[sudden torrent]

In multi core I get that

[steel spade]

And if i really wanted to do nice OC darkhero does pbo and manual

[wheat lintel]

I am getting so ready to steal back my Crosshair VIII Hero rn

[steel spade]

Swaps to manual after certain set power threshold

[wheat lintel]

I want that board back so much

[ancient bridge]

What would ur dad use

[wheat lintel]

This X470 Taichi

Should be able to handle a 5900x

[steel spade]

X370 can

Taichi boards are nice

[wheat lintel]

I want my 2000FCLK back and GDM OFF

I did it before on my C8H, but this Taichi is wildly against it

I’m giving up on having GDM off

This ain’t going to work

[short blade]

sad

3800 gdm is still good tho

especially running 2x8 on a t-top board

[wheat lintel]

I swapped my FX3800 into this PC and I can get it to output but it takes like 10 minutes each boot to get any video output

It’s stuck on error code 39 Post-Memory System Agent initialization (System Agent module specific)

No issues with my artifacting 2070

[wheat lintel]

I’m just dumbfounded now, switching from a DP to a DVI cable fixed everything

[short blade]

damn someone just posted an insane deal on a 3080 but I feel like I need to wait and see if this 4080 arrives

small chance but I don't really wanna deal with having 2 cards arrive

[wheat lintel]

What’s the deal?

[short blade]

it was 330 for a gigabyte gaming oc 3080

seems like seller had second thoughts, deleted post and hasn't responded

[sand fulcrum]

and i thought my EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra at $450 shipped was a good deal lol

[short blade]

depends when you bought it

gpu prices have been in a bit of free fall recently

[sand fulcrum]

2wks ago

[short blade]

ah

it's still a fair deal, you didn't get ripped off or anything

[short blade]

@ancient bridge lmao

[ancient bridge]

LMAO

Oh boy

[ancient bridge]

So close

[steel spade]

Just get ambient as cold as possible and you’ll get higher sustained clocks @ancient bridge

40 more score isnt too hard to beat if you do that

[ancient bridge]

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/40072957

Uhh

Omg

The time is wrong on this os LMAO

It's 5am

@steel spade

[restive sequoia]

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/33046394

could do higher on the gpu

[ancient bridge]

Maybe

[steel spade]

i'll do top 1% or top 0.1% 3080 after i get EVC

[proven canopy]

Let's go

[ancient bridge]

Fancy

[mental turret]

Fancy indeed

[wheat lintel]

How weird is it my B-die can’t go below 16 on tRCD?

[ancient bridge]

L

[mental turret]

says the one with badd ddr3, bad ddr4, and no ddr5

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-black-flash-yuji-op2-vivid-vice-gif-20325089

[ancient bridge]

Shut

My ddr4 isnt bad and the ddr3 was yours so

[mental turret]

what does it matter if the ddr3 was mine

they were unbinned

[ancient bridge]

Smh

[mental turret]

goober

[ancient bridge]

Goofy

[wheat lintel]

Danny let’s see your DDR4 rn

@ancient bridge

[ancient bridge]

Uh ok

[sudden torrent]

Put a fan over it, that's the main temp sensitive timing

[wheat lintel]

It has a 140mm fan over it

[ancient bridge]

Big sexy

[wheat lintel]

Could adjusting my RTTs help with it?

[sudden torrent]

Possibly

I should also probably ask what speed and voltage

[wheat lintel]

3800

1.55V

Trying 1.6V rn but doesn’t really help much

[sudden torrent]

Voltage mostly helps CL and speed

[wheat lintel]

Bringing it up from 1.5 to 1.55V got me from 18 down to 16

But yeah, not much benefit other than that

[sudden torrent]

Do you really need vsoc that high? It can hurt things if it's too high

The most I needed was 1.11v, and if I went over 1.15 I got negative scaling

[ancient bridge]

Why is your tras so damn high

I'm at 28

[sudden torrent]

It's all still in progress, I'm sure he'll lower it soon as he figures this out

[ancient bridge]

Ah

[wheat lintel]

Didn’t touch it yet

Like normal people, I do my primaries last

[mental turret]

I do them first

🥱

[ancient bridge]

Same lol

[sudden torrent]

SCLs first, primaries second

[mental turret]

🥱

[ancient bridge]

Pfff

[mental turret]

not like any of it makes a huge difference for 90% of daily users anyway

jedec gang

[wheat lintel]

I think I’m just going to keep my tRCDs at 16, I doubt I’ll get them lower

[ancient bridge]

Maybeee

Perhaps

[sudden torrent]

It won't get you any more fps anyway even if you did

Slightly better benches but that's it

[ancient bridge]

I dont think he's going for daily

Right?

[wheat lintel]

I won’t be gaming on this pc at all, just for benches

[ancient bridge]

Just messing with bdie for fun

Yuh

[wheat lintel]

It can barely even run games lol

Quadro FX3800>

[sudden torrent]

Not with that attitude

but can it run crysis

[wheat lintel]

nope

[mental turret]

try to go for the best 7zip score you can

7zip fun

[wheat lintel]

Rip, 28 errors for me

[mental turret]

are you running tm5 or something

[ancient bridge]

It didn't like trcd and trp at 10

12 it is

[wheat lintel]

TM5 PCBD, and Ycruncher

[mental turret]

yea dont bother if it's literally just for benchmark scores

just get it to where the benchmark runs

dont be like @short blade 🥱

[ancient bridge]

LOL

[wheat lintel]

Doesn’t it lose performance with errors?

[sudden torrent]

If it passes the bench and passes the validation then it's stable enough

[wheat lintel]

So treat it like I treat my CPU/GPU OCs?

[ancient bridge]

Lmao

[sudden torrent]

Some benches also benefit from setting a memory size limit

[sudden torrent]

exactly

[ancient bridge]

That's how I do it with my ram 💀

If games are stable im fine

Nothing to lose on this pc

[sudden torrent]

It can also be worth trying multiple times if it almost passes a bench. You only need to pass it once.

[wheat lintel]

Shame that my tRCDs just restart my PC instead of erroring

They past through TM5 and OCCT fine

Just restart on ycruncher

[sudden torrent]

Yeah you try again after the reboot

[wheat lintel]

I’m guessing I should bring my tRC down now?

And tCWL

[sudden torrent]

Ye, try 44 tRC and 14 tCWL

[wheat lintel]

tCWL already is stable at 14

[sudden torrent]

Ah. Setting that below CL doesn't do anything iirc

Could be mistaken

[wheat lintel]

Really?

Most places I see usually have it set 2 below

[sudden torrent]

Try tRFC 275 also

(2 and 4 do nothing)

[ancient bridge]

Here we go again 🙄

Not like I just went through this two days ago or anything

[wheat lintel]

Yeah I have them set to auto

[mental turret]

What vdimm are you at

[ancient bridge]

Bdie can take alot with cooling btw

If ur just benching lol

At some point it will stop scaling tho

[mental turret]

scalling

[ancient bridge]

Tell that to my phone

Now I need rev e

[wheat lintel]

1.55V rn

[ancient bridge]

Pfff

[mental turret]

Try to raise it until it crashes upon booting windows and touch nothing else

And let us know what it went up to

[ancient bridge]

Lol

[wheat lintel]

Wait is that a joke? Or should I actually try that

[mental turret]

Try it

[proven canopy]

What IC?

[ancient bridge]

B die

[proven canopy]

Yeah - that's a great way to perma-corrupt your windows.

Though, probably only over 1.65 or so

If you're on a bench image - then no worries

[mental turret]

He said he's on a benching os

[proven canopy]

If you're just benching, good chance you could see scaling to 2v+, but on am4, IME it's lower, around 1.9. You may need to drop vtt past ~1.8v, and set maxmem to ~2.2GB past ~1.65

I would start with:

1.1-1.2 soc
1.15 vddg ccd - try auto first
1.05 vddg iod - try auto first
1.6 vdimm
auto vtt

3800 14 8 14 14 28 42
4 4 16
4 8 12
280 rfc
2 2
14 8 10 2 to start -> 12 6 8 1 or better goal
1 1 1 1 1 1 1

Then for maxmemm'd stuff - 32m, geek3
1.9 vdimm
.9 vtt
12 8 12 12 28 40 primaries, go from there

[mental turret]

Was curious to see at what point maxmem would be needed on his particular dimms though, would be cooler if it was higher than usual

[proven canopy]

yeah, being able to run ycruncher with no/little maxmem is nice, you'll want to find that anyway

[wheat lintel]

Let’s do it, trying it now

I really wonder if this will post

[proven canopy]

Do things one group of settings/timings at a time. The soc/vddg's worked for me with c8dh, mostly zen3, if the auto's are working for you on zen2/taichi, I wouldn't mess with them just yet.

[wheat lintel]

Give me like 20 minutes, I’m taking my C8H back

[proven canopy]

Decent score, zentimings shown zen2. https://hwbot.org/submission/4854209_denvys5_superpi___32m_ryzen_5_3600_7min_4sec_530ms

Use this to clock up a single core

Fastest aio
https://hwbot.org/submission/4881592_ekky_jengkol_superpi___32m_ryzen_3_3100_6min_57sec_509ms

Fastest custom loop ambient
https://hwbot.org/submission/4739011_randyenergy_superpi___32m_ryzen_3_3100_6min_57sec_215ms

[ancient bridge]

I should do super pi

Only been messing with 3dmark,7 zip, and cinebench

[proven canopy]

Ycruncher is one of the most fun benchmarks imo. Wait for the new version/benchmate though.

[ancient bridge]

Mmm

Okok

[ancient bridge]

Yes

a lil bit

[mental turret]

Official background for TC2023

[ancient bridge]

Purty

[short blade]

...?

[ancient bridge]

The days upon days stability testing

[mental turret]

with the same dimms

after each tiny change

[short blade]

damn it's almost like i wasn't using them for benching

do you really think i don't know what a bench oc is

💀

like damn i know you think i'm stupid but that's a bit extreme isn't it

[wheat lintel]

Wait you’re not stupid?

/j

[short blade]

apparently i am

[mental turret]

i didnt imply that

ill stop picking on your mem OC methods from now on 🥱

[short blade]

i fail to see the humor in "don't be like him"

[ancient bridge]

Look at my ram stoopid

[wheat lintel]

Nah

[ancient bridge]

Didnt u wanna see it

lmfao

earlier

[wheat lintel]

Damn intel and only 3900?

[ancient bridge]

Gear 1

[wheat lintel]

💀

[short blade]

you've just been giving me crap about it for months like idk man this lives in your head way more than it lives in mine

[wheat lintel]

My Intel does 8000, smh

[ancient bridge]

Yeah.... in gear 2

[short blade]

damn 8000 gear 1 gigachad

[ancient bridge]

lmfao

[mental turret]

it is not that personal.

[short blade]

must have had a lot of biscuits

[wheat lintel]

That simple, skill issue

[ancient bridge]

Idk what u want from me

[wheat lintel]

DDR5

[ancient bridge]

no

[wheat lintel]

I’ll send you my old Z790

[ancient bridge]

Im not buying new ram and a new mobo

[short blade]

i am still failing to see the humor in "don't be like him"

[ancient bridge]

I alr have good ddr4 lol

[short blade]

danny did you ever try messing with VTT

or PLL voltages

asus might call them something else

who knows

[ancient bridge]

Wth is vtt

[short blade]

well, there's still things you can try to run 4000g1 if you care enough to then

[ancient bridge]

Oh I bet they do 😒

[mental turret]

asus calls it vtt as well

it might be in the "tweaker's paradise" menu

[ancient bridge]

Yeah except I dont know jack about any of these voltages 😭

[ancient bridge]

okk ill look

[short blade]

0.7 is a good starting point for VTT

try adjusting it from there if it doesn't help

my board only does PLL voltages in steps of 15mV, not sure if yours will be different, but i saw benefits from running MC PLL SFR/SA PLL/L2 PLL at 0.945-0.960

[wheat lintel]

Should I continue grinding war thunder or get back to tuning DDR4 or DDR5?

[short blade]

ymmv, just giving you things to try

game imo

i like to do ram oc while also doing homework or something

and use free time for free time

[ancient bridge]

I've got pll, vppddr, and pch

[ancient bridge]

Ofc ofc

Thank you for that lol

[short blade]

might be called VTTDDR, that's what my asus z97 called it but uhhh

old platform

[ancient bridge]

I'll look it up

[short blade]

just try and search VTT in bios

[wheat lintel]

I love how I need to switch kits if I’m benching/gaming now

[short blade]

live dangerously, game on your bench oc

[wheat lintel]

My gaming ram is 64Gb 💀

And I OC to bench stable

Like 50/50 pass the bench stable

[short blade]

"what stress test do you run for your ram stability? tm5? karhu? vst?"
"discord"

[proven canopy]

💤 https://hwbot.org/imgs/2900015

[wheat lintel]

Now you see, I don’t got an Apex

[short blade]

people think gacha games are a p2w hobby

this is the real p2w hobby

[proven canopy]

Why would you be tuning vtt around .7? For what?

[wheat lintel]

Now i won’t say no if you want to send me one

[ancient bridge]

About that

[wheat lintel]

E-waste

[ancient bridge]

Ok

[short blade]

dunno, my b-die liked exactly 0.700 vtt for 4133 g1 and completely collapsed with 0.695 or 0.705

[proven canopy]

What vidmm though

[short blade]

ouch

[short blade]

1.6

[ancient bridge]

Same

[proven canopy]

Interesting. I'd have assumed it'd be ideal to set far closer to 1/2 vdimm.

Does it auto to 1/2 vdimm?

[short blade]

yes

0.8 would error in about 3 minutes, so more stable than 0.695 or 0.705 at least

[wheat lintel]

Wtf, I swapped my ram and now the PC ain’t posting at all

[ancient bridge]

Gonna send yall this pc fr and have u get 4000 gear 1 stable

[wheat lintel]

I gotchu

[ancient bridge]

No

[short blade]

0.8 errored in about 3 minutes, 0.695 errored in less than 1 second, 0.705 didn't post, 0.7 stable

[wheat lintel]

[short blade]

the inner workings of the raptor lake ddr4 memory controller are an enigma

[proven canopy]

I don't think I've met anyone who's spent that much time tuning ddr4 on rpl

[ancient bridge]

I've got pll

[wheat lintel]

For 3dmark runs, is 7800 vs 8000 that big of a difference?

[short blade]

and I'm feeling like patrick with that board nailed to his head

[wheat lintel]

I can 7800 stable A LOT easier

[proven canopy]

In general, time spy cpu score doesn't benefit that much from ddr5 tuning past a certain point. DDR4 - it scales strongly.

[ancient bridge]

Yuh

[short blade]

well now you have I guess

[ancient bridge]

I'm happy with 19.2k on my 12700k

BUT

[proven canopy]

Wait, what?

[ancient bridge]

Maybe I could do better at 4000

[wheat lintel]

I need a fan over this DDR5, but no where to zip tie it to except my hardline tubing

[ancient bridge]

Time spy

[proven canopy]

oh, only 4 e cores, I guess that could make sense, but I'm unfamiliar with the chip for TS cpu

[ancient bridge]

Close enough

[ancient bridge]

Faster than some of the 12900ks on their site

(some)

lol

[proven canopy]

Use the search function here, put in the chip and TS, manually check cpu score

[wheat lintel]

What’s CPU VDDQ Normal?

[short blade]

ah I hate gigabyte naming

truly, what on earth is normal supposed to mean lol

[ancient bridge]

On aio for the 12700k I found one at 19,975 (with ddr5) but most hovered around 18k or lower

[proven canopy]

Keep it at auto for now

[ancient bridge]

Oh heres yee's run https://hwbot.org/submission/5175098_yee245_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_3080_(320bit)_20063_marks

[short blade]

sounds like you have a new goal

[ancient bridge]

Idk if I can beat people on ddr5 but ill see

[short blade]

you got this

just give your cpu more biscuits

[ancient bridge]

If I can get this chip to do 5.3 all core maybe

My last run was 5.2p and 4.2e

[wheat lintel]

Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing

[wheat lintel]

You can

[ancient bridge]

hmm

[wheat lintel]

Man I really need to get a good motherboard

[short blade]

I'm happy with my $100 mobo

[ancient bridge]

Same

Tbh

Ok off to test pll

[short blade]

have fun descending further down the rabbit hole

[ancient bridge]

Thanks 😭

[proven canopy]

Grats on front page btw

[short blade]

👀

[wheat lintel]

👀

Does ram really effect cinebench that much?

Thinking to take a break from it and try to push a single core R23 score as high as I can

[short blade]

not at all

cinebench couldn't care less about your ram

windows explorer has better ram scaling than cinebench

[mental turret]

it depends on the platform, but yea, generally not at all when it comes to stuff newer than 2014 or so

[ancient bridge]

Thanks lmfao

I feel like I can do better if I mount my aio near the ac 💀 but then that counts as chilled ig

[proven canopy]

Did you call your mom to tell her? (jellyfish did)

[ancient bridge]

Lmfao no she doesn't even know I do this stuff

[proven canopy]

Almost never, and when it does, it's usually very minimal.

[ancient bridge]

Im gonna try it on the bench os ig

See what I can do

[proven canopy]

e.g. fx 8 core at 7ghz, or clock/cache locked gskill qualifier where you're grubbing for literally a few points

[wheat lintel]

Does that actually count as chilled?

[ancient bridge]

idrk

Not if I dont tell them it is

LMAO

[wheat lintel]

@short blade for an HWBot cinebench submission, all I need is 3 CPU-Z tabs and R23 in the Ss right?

[short blade]

3? i thought it was 2 lol

cpu and ram tabs

mobo is optional

[wheat lintel]

Oh okay

[short blade]

have the rules changed recently?

[wheat lintel]

No clue

[short blade]

i haven't subbed anything besides gpus for a minute

[wheat lintel]

Is 2315 a good score for single core on a 13900k?

[short blade]

i want to wait for a colder night to sub my 13700k lol

i was having trouble hitting 33k in my dorm

cause i literally don't have an option to turn off the thermostat in my dorm so my room cannot go below 64

[wheat lintel]

My roommate next semester is also big into OC

It’s going to be fun

[short blade]

i'm at like 32980 lol it's infuriating

i just want to break 33k

[wheat lintel]

What bench is this?

[short blade]

r23 multi

[wheat lintel]

Ahh

[short blade]

i'm super lazy with subbing my personal hardware

cause it just feels like i have plenty of time to do it

[short blade]

i don't think it really matters for rules if you're using benchmate but better to avoid covering the render area methinks

oh you're not using benchmate

[proven canopy]

They have not. Afaik all cpu benches only need cpu + mem tabs. Competitions often have additional rules like mobo tab, spd tab for mem stuff as well as more current cpuz/bench version requirements.

[ancient bridge]

No messing with the render

it has to be free of tabs and such

[wheat lintel]

Oh goddamnit

[proven canopy]

This is legal for benchmate subs

[ancient bridge]

Ohhh

[proven canopy]

Non-benchmate, you're not allowed to cover render.

[wheat lintel]

I didn’t do benchmate

[short blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662370272296566804/889569115960918066/lol.png

rate my 6600K WR

[wheat lintel]

My benchmate R23 is weird

No time left showing or whatever on it

[short blade]

you don't need to do a 10min run lol

[finite frigate]

alec

are you doing 10 min runs

[short blade]

advanced benchmark > turn off minimum time duration or whatever it is

[finite frigate]

😭 alec dont do this to me

[proven canopy]

Benchmate r23 should run just fine out of the box

[finite frigate]

yeah

[wheat lintel]

There’s an option to not do 10 minutes?

[proven canopy]

Rather, everything inlcuded with benchmate should run out of the box. One exception being gpupi for cpu, which needs some form of opencl runtime or similar.

[finite frigate]

😭

yes

[proven canopy]

R23 benchmate hwbot legal is a single run, yes

[finite frigate]

file -> advanced benchmark -> minimum test duration: off

[proven canopy]

I mean, why run r23 outside of benchmate?

I suppose there are reasons to, but I can't imagine why you'd want to in your use case.

[finite frigate]

so much easier to sub\

[wheat lintel]

Do I still need the CPU-Z tabs if I have this?

Damn, I got 40 points from an old SuperPi run I never actually submitted

[proven canopy]

Yes. Just look at the top results for your chip in x bench, copy their screenshot if unsure. Better yet, read the rules for the bench.

[ancient bridge]

Love to see it

[finite frigate]

L

give me a link to that iso

[ancient bridge]

Ok

[finite frigate]

ok

[steel spade]

L

give me a link to that iso

[proven canopy]

[finite frigate]

i figure i should bench my 700k

properly

@mental turret ice bucket soon

@proven canopy do you knwo anything about the IBM X3550 M4 servers?

and the X3550M3, M3 is westmere ewaste, m4 is 2011 sandy/ivy