overclocking

[short blade]

more SA did not fix it

time to try the other voltages 🙂

i love raptor lake

[hot parrot]

Forgot to put memory tab 😭

[short blade]

you can load the result file back into 3dmark to take a new screenshot

[mental turret]

(more)

[short blade]

nah

if 1.375 did this then 1.38 is prob gonna error at 7%

[mental turret]

Vdimm

[short blade]

i'm at 1800% rn with 1.225 e-core and 1.370 sa

[mental turret]

Do you record what each stick was rated for

[short blade]

they're both 3200 14-14-14

1.35v

same kit

[mental turret]

I mean all of them

[short blade]

?

[mental turret]

That's important info so I'd write it down

In your spreadsheet

[short blade]

this is all the same 2 dimms

💀

[mental turret]

Dude.

Wow.

[short blade]

you think i have this much b-die to bin?

[mental turret]

Wow

I'm actually convinced you're an insane person now

[short blade]

i've only ever owned one kit of 2 dimms of b-die

i thought that was known

[short blade]

this

[mental turret]

Unironically insane

[short blade]

the real insane thing is trying to daily a gear 1 oc on this broken platform

[mental turret]

I did that

I am currently doing that

Albeit at a much slower speed but yea

[short blade]

i tried downclocking to 4000 at felix's insistence

did nothing to change the insane voltage sensitivity/boot to boot variance

so went back to 4133

i'd rather just do a new ddr5 build than downclock any more than that tbh

but yeah i'm just running these while i do my homework 🙂

kind of ironic that i'm learning about memory paging/TLB while inducing paging and TLB errors in the system i'm using to learn about them on

[ancient bridge]

[hot parrot]

I think I broke timespy lol

Another reason to hate timespy now

[sudden torrent]

The digital snow means it's working

[hot parrot]

I think I corrupted an asset

It would suddenly crash at any speed at near the end of first graphics test

[steady lance]

oh lmao I remembner that happened to me.

Reinstall of timespy fixed that

[hot parrot]

I did that but was a hot day so didn't bother benching after reinstalling lol

But I always have some issue with timespy

I hate that bench

[steady lance]

yeah timespy at least the demo in my experience is always a bit buggy

[hot parrot]

I never have issues with firestrike though

I wish firestrike was still the more popular bench

[short blade]

interesting, i have issues with fire strike but not time spy

[mental turret]

@ancient bridge subbed anything to hwbot yet on the new chip?

[ancient bridge]

I was waiting for u

lol

[mental turret]

huh

when

@ancient bridge

[ancient bridge]

idk whenever

if you're free tmr

[mental turret]

right now

[ancient bridge]

BRUH

I GOT CLASS

[mental turret]

its the end of the year

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-burgundy-dont-believe-you-gif-4798341

[mental turret]

you could miss all thye classes you have left and im sure youd be fine

[ancient bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[mental turret]

RRAAAH

[ancient bridge]

I mean after we do our da we can do whatever aslong as we sign into homeroom lol

[mental turret]

huh?

[ancient bridge]

District assessment

End of marking period testing

[wheat lintel]

It’s hs, class doesn’t matter

Smh

[hot parrot]

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/30196273

So close to 80k

[eternal relic]

evc

[wheat lintel]

@modern walrus finally had a chance to check my ram’s label. Turns out it’s A-die, not M-die like I thought

[steady lance]

What GPU benches do you guys recommend for stabillity testing besides timespy cause that's rather buggy towards me sometimes?

[proven canopy]

Buggy? Usually we'd recommend looping TS GT2

[steady lance]

I forgot what was his name but like me it would work with or without gpu oc and next moment it'd crash right after the first timespy test even without oc.

When that happens it requires a full reinstall to fix or restart.

Okay it was BiostarOC who had the same issue.

[proven canopy]

Ensure your cpu/ram/system are stable first with occt/vst/etc

Rule out everything else before you dial in gpu

[steady lance]

I did.

Ram, cpu both are overclocked and very stable

[modern walrus]

that's good news, it should clock higher

[steady lance]

Okay so +165 core is what's stable on my 3070.

Now to do memory.

Starting with +300 and I will up by 50 each time.

[zenith palm]

You can probably get up to at least +600 btw so maybe start there to save a few steps

Iirc mine got to around 850

[steady lance]

it seems I got +165 core and +750 mem without touching voltages.

[scenic vine]

You can't properly adjust voltages on modern Nvidia cards via software

You can tweak the vf curve for core, but that's all you get

The voltage slider doesn't actually do anything

[steady lance]

Oh, so there's no point in using it?

[steady lance]

Upping the voltage helped me get +850 mem stable.

gonna see if I can get +900 stable

[hot parrot]

Finally got fed up with mpt and amd drivers reinstating a 500w power limit for no reason when voltage is set over 1270mv and bought an evc

Gonna also shield the emi sensitive traces on my pcb

[steady lance]

Nevermind. +850 is not stable.

Let's see if +800 stays stable

[tall pelican]

hate to break it to you, but that voltage slider is for core, and not for mem

[zenith palm]

Also make sure your power slider is all the way up

[eternal relic]

i miss x299 fivr

[humble jay]

Buy 3435X

[steady lance]

already is.

[steady lance]

rip just noticed that.

it seems memeory is only stable at +700 I will try later to see if there is a middle ground between +700 and +750 that's stable.

[zenith palm]

What are you using to test for stable btw?

[steady lance]

games.

I'm running MW2 to test for stabillity since it stresses the gpu better than Halo does.

[zenith palm]

Good good

[scenic vine]

Try valheim

[hot parrot]

Bought one now lol

Got tired of my GPU acting up

It would randomly reinstate it's power limit

For literally no reason

On random days

At random times

[eternal relic]

solder on some headers to card

firmware update the evc before u do anything as well

[hot parrot]

Doesn't oc formula already have a solder joints just to make connecting it easier

This thing

[kind walrus]

Iirc that's them yeah

Same thing on rdna 3

[hot parrot]

Bought the current Elmor evc2

[kind walrus]

Evcs2?

[hot parrot]

Evc2se

[kind walrus]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's where it goes

Def double check

[hot parrot]

How would I go about updating firmware for it?

[kind walrus]

I don't have one yet, couldn't tell ya lol

Elmor has a discord for questions lol

[hot parrot]

Gonna repaint the case for it to match build better

[eternal relic]

yeah, solder on 3 headers to those pads

so u can plug in and out evc with ease

what i did was solder wires to pads and run them to edge of card where i put on male headers

evc comes with all of the wires and stuff, makes it really easy

[tall pelican]

there's directions on elmor's page

[wind prairie]

That cpu record holy

[sudden torrent]

Seby and Splave reppin that wegg team 🏆

[hot parrot]

Based

[zenith palm]

We have splave?

Also suprised 13600k is winning?

[mental turret]

[sudden torrent]

He's only the #1 contributor on our team lol https://hwbot.org/team/wegg/

[mental turret]

He joined relatively recently

[zenith palm]

Lol shows how much attention i pay to hwbot

[zenith palm]

Ah that explains it

Haven't been on there in like a year because of final year of college

[mental turret]

Yea i havent subbed anything in months

[sudden torrent]

Weather has been too hot for me to sub lately

Last subs I did were a marathon midnight session with near freezing temps letting the rad chill for a couple hours, and then running the system outside

About as good as I can do on ambient lol, next step would be ice bucket

[proven canopy]

Lol yeah, splave, akm, and salty hopped over from OCN recently.

[mental turret]

OCN 🤮
Wegg

[sudden torrent]

That's because only subs with 14 or 10 cores, depending on the bench, were valid. The one that surprises me is the max cpu frequency was 13600kf. Did no one have a decent 13900ks?

[wheat lintel]

I still need to actually submit to HWBot

[proven canopy]

Run some benchmate, makes it easy. Check the rules page for each bench, just need two cpuz windows usually.

Start with r20, ycruncher 1b, and 7zip

[mental turret]

7zip is fun

Not too competitive but it's a good benchmark

[proven canopy]

I want to see it get globals

[wind prairie]

Lucky bin ig

[restive sequoia]

cpu score is up 3k or more now from 7k

think i was expecting a bit more

[sudden torrent]

You expected more than 50%?

[restive sequoia]

i mean ts cpu score is not inline with irl fps it seems

nowhere near 12900k numbers

[sudden torrent]

I don't know who told you the 7600 would compare to the 12900k but it compares more to the 12600k/13400

Enable PBO, it'll boost your performance for basically free

[restive sequoia]

its a bit above ig ts just does not like amd

[sudden torrent]

Yeah you need to enable PBO to get the non-x up a bit past the performance of the x model

There's a clock speed difference and PBO fixes that

[ancient bridge]

Also 3dmarks cpu score doesnt depict how the cpu actually performs in game

especially on amd

it favors intel ALOT

[sudden torrent]

There's also a good chance you're putting a GPU bottleneck on your system and your benchmark numbers won't match as a result

Since HUB did that testing with a 3090 ti vs your 3080 ti

[restive sequoia]

have not tested games yet

hogwarts needs update 😭

[sudden torrent]

Oh I thought you meant the fps numbers weren't comparing in game to the 12900k, I was mistaken then

The 7600 has a lot fewer cores than the 12900k so ofc your 3dmark scores won't be close lol

That's a multi core test

[ancient bridge]

That too

[scenic vine]

Timespy cpu scales with core count

And also scales different on Intel vs amd

7950x doesn't even come close to a 13900k in timespy

[alpine mantle]

gonna finish this ram oc, primaries left to tweak. No I wont tweak TREFI if you're wondering

[kind walrus]

Twea-

Ok

[alpine mantle]

[scenic vine]

Better not tweak trfc then

[alpine mantle]

well i already have lol

i believe it was 613 stock

[scenic vine]

If you are willing to tweak trfc, why not trefi?

[alpine mantle]

pretty sure trefi has more risk

[scenic vine]

Nope

also, risk of what exactly?

did someone instill an irrational fear of corrupting windows or something

[alpine mantle]

it doesn't corrupt windows? I thought it was temperature sensitive

[scenic vine]

temperature sensitivity depends on the ic

On b-die many timings are temp sensitive

[alpine mantle]

I have A-die according to thiaphoon burner

[scenic vine]

Thaiphoon is unreliable

It just reads the SPD, and if the SPD is blank it just guesses

[alpine mantle]

[scenic vine]

90% of the time the SPD is not programmed correctly

The only kits ive seen with consistently programmed SPDs are micron

What kit is it?

[alpine mantle]

its a silicon power turbine 32gb ddr4 3200mhz

[scenic vine]

No way to find out for sure without removing the heatsinks, but the SPD should have the correct manufacturer at least

You can also just test it to see if it matches XYZ characteristics

[alpine mantle]

CXMT

[sudden torrent]

The only "adjusting" that typically needs to be done for tREFI is to set it to 65535 and forget it

[alpine mantle]

the catch?

[scenic vine]

Thats on begger LGA 1200 and below

1700 lets you go all the way upto 240k

[sudden torrent]

Sheesh. Yeah I haven't touched 1700 yet.

[scenic vine]

I typically start with 100k, 123456 is a common value too

It can get IMC heavy

[alpine mantle]

WTF

[sudden torrent]

None usually unless you're very unlucky

[alpine mantle]

ugh fine

ill try it

[scenic vine]

if your IMC is runnning on the edge of stability, tREFI can tip it over, but looking at your setup it isnt likely

[scenic vine]

I assume you dont have dram temp sensors

[alpine mantle]

nope

thats why its a bit hard

[scenic vine]

This guy is wrong

trefi scales past 65535 on ddr4

[alpine mantle]

ok

[scenic vine]

Just for future reference or if anybody is interested

Stock xmp, nothing but refi adjusted

[alpine mantle]

if imma tweak it, imma have to do some temperature testing

[scenic vine]

Stress test while your gpu is running a 3d load

Nothing new here

[sudden torrent]

Gaming is still a good stability test ye

[scenic vine]

For ram, not really

You can game on some horribly unstable setups

But you can also crash on some single stress test focused setups

[sudden torrent]

Alright I'll specify, gaming in addition to other usual tests is still a good stability test

[scenic vine]

Also for reference, here's tuned 3733

Board doesn't like 4 dimms

[dim plank]

I have read that AMD SOC voltage shouldnt go beyond 1.3V but what about the CPU voltage?

[sudden torrent]

That'll vary a lot depending on a lot of factors. Are you talking about the auto/boosting voltage or a static voltage?

In general, on auto, the CPU will be at a much higher voltage when it's idle or under low load and the voltage will go lower when it's heavily loaded. This is all perfectly normal. 1.45v when idle is common and won't hurt anything.

[dim plank]

I see. I am just trying to remember those max voltages. I already lost track considering its already years since i built my pc. The current ASUS motherboard issues got me thinking to review what inputs I have made.

Thanks.

[sudden torrent]

The current issues have nothing to do with CPUs from a few years ago. It's only related to Ryzen 7000.
The max "safe" voltage under load is a topic of much debate.

[scenic vine]

If you keep vcore, LLC and scalar on auto the SMU will prevent the cpu from running at unsafe voltages

[ancient bridge]

We don't really know for sure yet right?

Since it's still new

[manic seal]

imagine not putting 240v into your cpu smh

[steady lance]

I do that ;}

+||0.||240v

[manic seal]

lmao

[steady lance]

Hehe.

[hot parrot]

At what point does high frequency noise on 12v rail matter

Cause I can trade lower input cap filtering on my card for higher bulk capacitance for lower voltages drop at load spikes hopefully

[sudden torrent]

The point where it starts to cause issues in other components

[hot parrot]

Basically I have some low ear bulk caps coming in that would let me double my input capacitance but I could put behind them some high esr tantalums but it would make filtering worse

But would give me another 440uf*7

[mental turret]

What board are you using where that'd actually be a concern?

[hot parrot]

6950xt oc formula

Modding bulk input capacitance

[wheat lintel]

How difficult is it to unlock a 7900xtx?

[night grail]

bad idea honestly

that GPU already has good filtering across most of the spectrum

BZ even said this

[hot parrot]

Yea but I'm putting on it like 1000w instead of 500w

So a lot more voltage drop at load

[night grail]

thats an XOC card...

[hot parrot]

So more input capacitance matters a lot

[night grail]

its built for that already

if you wanted just stack them alongside what is already there but dont remove components to do it

[hot parrot]

Gonna have to remove the input caps to fit my low ear caps

But I could fit the tantalums on the back

But they are high esr

[scenic vine]

have fun, but its not gonna make a significant improvement

[tall pelican]

given my reference was fine with dailying 700-800w continuous and 1kw+ peaks, I'd assume ocf is fine as is

[hot parrot]

Not worried it can't handle load just want to reduce the voltage drop

[hot parrot]

I agree but it's gonna be under soldering iron anyways

So even if it only helps 20mv it's worth

[tall pelican]

Well that's why you have a vrm that you can tell to give it more voltage

[humble jay]

just stack them pls, the POSCAPs that are there stock are good

use a tiny piece of solder wick to make bridges

[hot parrot]

I'm talking voltage drop at input

[tall pelican]

Dats what a mosfet is for

[hot parrot]

Will negatively impact output behavior if the voltage the controller is working with drops

[tall pelican]

VIN doesn't need to be 12.0000v, it can go down to like 11v and be fine

[sudden torrent]

10.8V is the low end of the spec

[hot parrot]

Fine but not ideal

[tall pelican]

Its fine because it doesn't make a difference

[hot parrot]

Especially not when I'm trying to push card to it's limits where 1mhz means stable or unstable lol

[hot parrot]

Meh, with some of my more tuned overclocks it could mean stable run or unstable run

[tall pelican]

For reference, laptops use the same mosfets, and chargers with range from 18v to 21v

[hot parrot]

Again

My concern isn't damage

It's having as stable of an output voltage as possible

Vin dropping will cause vout to have a sort of transient issue for a bit

[tall pelican]

VIN isnt going to affect VOUT

[hot parrot]

It will

Will it be a major difference

Probably not

Especially cause card is well made

Will there be a difference though?

Yes and if I already have the soldering iron out I'd like to minimize it

I would fill in or upgrade the missing output caps too but idk what output caps the card uses stock

Plus it will be cool to know I have the best 6950xt PCB + some more kek

[alpine mantle]

did 2 hours of ycruncher vst, thats enough for me

didn't mess with primaries as it gave me worse results lol

[ancient bridge]

What happened to the 3900😭

[alpine mantle]

its wack

just get errors

[hot parrot]

These are my old ddr4 3600 settings

On zen2

If you have bdie try stepping everything up a few knotches from here then work down and it should get you to a similar place

[finite frigate]

woppa

[hot parrot]

Also do you need bench stability or daily stability?

Cause if just bench stability you can probably punch that in with enough voltage no issues without needing to adjust it with good airflow over dies

I think daily I lowered cl a little if I'm remembering right but tightened some other stuff a tiny bit

[ancient bridge]

It's a cheapo silocon power kit

Mystery meat die

And yeah he was going for daily

[hot parrot]

I wish I had a CNC machine

So I could design my own mounting for my direct die am5 loop

Like a to the right and down offset flat plate with a flat top screw just to be tightened on with nuts

[alpine mantle]

wow i wish i had a good kit

🗿

well im going for overall stability so I just have these values

the silicon power ram sticks have little information but they just work i guess

I never took the time to remove the heatsink

[hot parrot]

Tbh, 2400 is endgame

It's jedec ASF

And jedec is based

[alpine mantle]

hmm

[manic seal]

cnc isn't required, just some machining skills

cnc is handy for making a batch of parts, but conventional machining is nice

uhhhh that being said you still need the tools for it lmao

or see if you have a makers space near you

[wheat lintel]

CNC gets better precision than the average machinist

Especially when you need to make a cold plate

[manic seal]

that's fair

or i mean

you could use a surface grinder

get something perfectly flat

[sterile flame]

Should I be focused much on my FSB:DRAM ratio or DRAM timings for basic overclocking on a X4 955 BE?

I'm finally taking some time to learn how to OC since I don't work too often during the day

I think I'll fiddle around with timings after I find a good spot with the FSB and CPU-NB I like

[mental turret]

CPU & DRAM frequency/timings via multipliers & BCLK

Those poopoo DDR3 dimms you bought against my recommendation aren't going to do you well though

Unless you got other ones since then

[sterile flame]

Nope not yet, I still haven't figured out my max BCLK yet

I'm gonna try to go through all my DDR3 kits and do that

I'll keep an eye out for a new DDR3 kit though if there's any you recommend

[mental turret]

Just post what DDR3 you have that you'd use and I'll look them over

[sterile flame]

This is the only kit I have for benching (8GB)

[mental turret]

[sterile flame]

Yeah, I need a new kit

I haven't even checked the max BCLK on it either like I said

@mental turret, I forgot I'm willing to spend a good amount if it'll last me awhile

Probably all the way up to $50 or so

Though I don't wanna go overkill

[mental turret]

you wont need more than ~25

[sterile flame]

Soooo, would you be willing to point me towards the right direction?

[mental turret]

🥱

[ancient bridge]

Would you be willing to listen LOL

[sterile flame]

Yes

I don't care about aesthetics

[ancient bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[sterile flame]

Okay I think 230 BLCK is the max I can get with this kit

I need a new one bad

[mental turret]

230 is stable?

what CPU and mem freq are you at

[sudden torrent]

Hey @mental turret I just got done poking around in that socket again and it's booted right now. It would freeze after a couple hours idle before, fingers crossed.

Do you know if that board auto negotiates the Ethernet port to be crossover if I plug it into another PC to share Internet?

Seems like the kind of feature a xeon should have

Dang

❄️

Starting to think the CPU might be toast, there was a small crater by one of the pin pads. I'm sure I have all the pins fixed by now.

[mental turret]

Never needed that board for that use-case. Could try googling it. I'd assume it does do that though. Would be surprising if it didnt

[sudden torrent]

Yep it has auto mdix so it'll negotiate the link as needed

Intel gave an error when I looked up the datasheet for the interface so I had to dig it up third party

It's kinda funny, I haven't had to wire a crossover cable since college because everything I could have needed it for has that feature

Except the xbox 360, you could connect two of those together using a crossover to do more local players in halo

But I never had enough friends to need that...

[sterile flame]

X4 955 BE and I wanna say 800MHz?

I ended up switching back to FM2+

My 990FX was being stupid and saving some BIOS settings but not others

BCLK and multiplier was all wrong as well as voltages

[mental turret]

i was asking about cpu frequency as well

[sterile flame]

2.3GHz?

[mental turret]

[sterile flame]

I was running x10.0 multiplier and 230BCLK

[mental turret]

why do you have the multi so low

[sterile flame]

Competition

It's over now

So whatever

[mental turret]

matt's competition on hwbot?

[sterile flame]

Yeah

[mental turret]

oh sweet

did you sub anything

[sterile flame]

I was a little too late

Nah

[mental turret]

oh

😔

[sterile flame]

I wanted to

I just haven't gotten around to it, been busy with other stuff

But I'm finally free to start actually learning the basics of overclocking

[mental turret]

nice

AM3 is a bit of a tough platform to start off on but there's still a lot to learn/do. It's also cheap which is a bonus

[sudden torrent]

It's cheap because no one wants it

Want my FX 8300? I'll pay you to take it off my hands ||/jk||

[mental turret]

this x201 laptop has been a pain

been having loads of trouble installing windows

[kind walrus]

[sterile flame]

I’ve made noticeable amount of progress learning the basics of Phenom II overclocking today

I think that’s all that matters to me, eventually I hope to get to a point where I get a score worth uploading

[mental turret]

Wanna type it out here as a little recap?

I'm curious anyway

[sterile flame]

I started off with learning about mostly North Bridge and how that kinda sucked on the Phenom II so it’s touchy and you gotta match it with the HTT

I started adjusting voltages myself as well, I believe I set CPU at 1.55v, CPU-NB and NB at 1.3v and DRAM at 1.750v

I touched a little of the DRAM timings as well, specifically the refresh cycle or whatever you call it and another thing I forget the name of

I think I set the refresh cycle thing to the max (42?)

[mental turret]

tREFI

iirc

[sterile flame]

Screwed around with the HTT, DRAM, NB frequencies as well lowering them

Yeah I think that’s it

I also tried to get AMD Overdrive to work as well today to do small tweaking in OS but the BLCK wouldn’t budge

[mental turret]

Don't sweat much or invest a lot of time on DRAM OC atm, those dimms you have atm barely have headroom anyway. Focus on learning the platform's quirks and how to make it overclock.

I assume you plan to submit scores to hwbot as some point?

[sterile flame]

Yeah, I’m hoping so I just need to actually get a stable overclock and possibly something worth uploading and not some garbage overclock

I haven’t quite yet learned what’s a good stable overclock and what’s a bad stable overclock

But yeah I kinda threw the towel with the 990FX and went back to a A88X hoping I’m gonna have better luck

Otherwise I’m thinking it might be a RAM issue limiting me

Just making do with what I have ATM

[mental turret]

Don't concern yourself with this, if it works, it works. What matters if getting the score and screenshot/valid file

[sterile flame]

Yeah, I think I had my X4 955 BE running at 3.8GHz but it crashed when I tried to do Cinebench

I didn’t know what was wrong so meh

I think I have a screenshot of it somewhere

One sec

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/800482541882572832/1119009808125796362/IMG_0848.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/800482541882572832/1119011475038679050/IMG_0861.jpg

More so photos but whatever

I probably shouldn’t run the stock cooler forever too, should look into an AIO if some sort TBH

If they still do AM3 mountings that is

[ancient bridge]

Me with multiple invalid subs

[proven canopy]

Air or custom loop, aio is 🤢

[ancient bridge]

[sterile flame]

I’ve always wanted to do a custom loop TBH

Just seems expensive

Might grab a Peerless Assassin if AIO’s aren’t that useful

[ancient bridge]

Its not too pricey

Forks showed me the other day haha

If you do ice bucket

All u need is a block pump and tubes

[sterile flame]

How much we talking

$100?

[proven canopy]

Been recommending that cooler to him for a month lol

Rather, the phantom spirit

[mental turret]

Read the rules for each benchmark you plan on doing before benching

[sterile flame]

That wasn’t for the comp

[sterile flame]

I was just fiddling around at that point

[ancient bridge]

Blocks are like 40 for a decent one such as the alphacool xp3 brass (they have cheaper for 20 https://www.amazon.com/Water-Cooling-Waterblock-Copper-Channel/dp/B013JD2CVO) pumps are 30 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BVQZ6H5H) and tubing is cheap lol

[kind walrus]

@sterile flame u already have a phantom spirit right

[sterile flame]

I got one RN on hand

Mhm

[kind walrus]

Ya I thought so

[proven canopy]

Glad to hear

[ancient bridge]

Lolll

[kind walrus]

Just use that for everything

[sterile flame]

Saving it for my main rig though unless it would be that beneficial to use it now

[ancient bridge]

It would be much better than the stock cooler

Thats for sure

[sterile flame]

I mean that goes for saying yeah

[ancient bridge]

If you have a way to get your ambient temp down such as a window ac try that aswell

[sterile flame]

It’s always cold in my basement man

Like it’s probably below 60 RN

[ancient bridge]

Then go in your basement haha

[sterile flame]

It gets below freezing in my basement sometimes because my parents refuse to turn on the heat during the Winter

“Put on a jacket”

[ancient bridge]

lolll

Thats fair

[sterile flame]

But yeah I think ambient temps are fine as far as I can tell

I think my main issues RN are just instability, I need to work on getting more stable overclocks

It’s either this or that is too high or too low, I struggle finding the middle ground

[sterile flame]

To be completely fair that’d be a fun project

[ancient bridge]

Yepp

Im gonna be doing it soon

I was warned the cheaper blocks with acrylic tops are prone to cracking from the cold

[sterile flame]

So I’d just have to get those as well as reservoir and tubes?

[ancient bridge]

Cause yk plastics get brittle when cold

[ancient bridge]

You wouldnt need a reservoir for ice bucket

the pumo is submerged

[sterile flame]

How does ice bucket even work?

[ancient bridge]

hence the aquarium pumps

[ancient bridge]

You get a cooler fill it with ice and water and submerge the pump lol

just a chilled loop

[sterile flame]

A literal bucket with ice…

[ancient bridge]

it works with aios but not as well since some aios have kinda weak pumps

[ancient bridge]

Cooler preferebly but yeah LMAO

[kind walrus]

I'll pum-

[ancient bridge]

its just a chilled loop

[ancient bridge]

STOP

[kind walrus]

U know what I won't

[sterile flame]

That sounds so stupid in so many ways

I don’t believe it

[ancient bridge]

Bruh

[sterile flame]

Like it’s just dumping ice water onto your PC but with extra steps

[kind walrus]

Yes

So it doesn't die from said water

[sterile flame]

Any other absurd ideas?

Last call for Genius Express

[ancient bridge]

Bad examples but you get the point

I think

[ancient bridge]

Uhhh window ac

[sterile flame]

That already exists stupid

[ancient bridge]

its exactly what you think

[ancient bridge]

So does ice bucket "stupid"

[sterile flame]

I’ll make your face an ice bucket

[kind walrus]

I'll stupid u in a minute

[ancient bridge]

Go stupid

Go crazy

[kind walrus]

Frfr

[sterile flame]

I’ll see

Until then I will suffer with stock cooler and garbage RAM

[ancient bridge]

okk

Ram is cheap now

[sterile flame]

Yeah but I dunno what to look for

I just realized the more I pour into this the longer it’s gonna take to build my new main rig

[ancient bridge]

Yeah

LOL

Thats where ive been at

[sterile flame]

It so hard to choose

Like do I wanna spend my time overclocking or gaming

[steady lance]

Did that actually work?

[ancient bridge]

Yeah it works lmao

No reason for it not to

[steady lance]

How does it perform compared to water?

[ancient bridge]

Significantly better

I mean

its chilled lmao

[steady lance]

Fair.

Hmmm. What if the water was chilled and you had fans moving the chilled water through the rad?

[kind walrus]

It'd be broken

Cos fans don't work under water

💀

[steady lance]

What it used a system similar to a propeller to move the water?

[ancient bridge]

Why not just use an aquarium pump to circulate water

Or dont use a rad

[mental turret]

overclocking

can learn a lot of skills and valuable info pertaining to computer hardware/(some)software just from getting into benching

[sterile flame]

I would hope so

I’m hoping to get my A88X board running tomorrow and praying my A8-5500 ain’t gonna be an issue

[ancient bridge]

Yeah, tell me about it haha

I've learned alot from you and a few others

[restive sequoia]

one hell of a generational leap

have to see if there is any way to get 40k gpu score

[ancient bridge]

Almost double haha

Goodluck keeping your room cold in the summer now

Lmao

[restive sequoia]

oh my cpu score went down 300 points for some reason

seems like typical ts variance

[scenic vine]

Their power draw really isn't that far apart

[eternal relic]

switching from 7980xe to 12900k got my room insanely cooler heh

[finite frigate]

yeah cause you went from 888w to 200w

[signal belfry]

These things are great coolers for rooms

[manic seal]

how many joules/s of heat transfer

[wheat lintel]

@kind walrus Is my vram just bad or am I doing something wrong that I can’t get above 2728 MHz?

[kind walrus]

It's not bad if you're already at 34K

You might want to increase voltage up tho to see if you can increase mem clock

[restive sequoia]

Only gpu out there that can do 10k or above 👀

[eternal relic]

i forget speed way even exists tbh

is it pure gpu?

rt?

[manic seal]

Speedway is... uhhh software rt? Iirc

I never use it either so I could be completely wrong

[sudden torrent]

Is that yours? SUB IT that's a hwbot #1

Current #1 https://hwbot.org/submission/5279830_takukou_3dmark___speed_way_geforce_rtx_4090_10874_marks

It's not worth global points but it's worth hardware and team points. Ignore me if you have ECC disabled though.

[restive sequoia]

Oh it was default

Guess that is disabled

Oh it is disabled by default it seems

[mental turret]

@sterile flame order 4 of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/173978139762

you're welcome

[sterile flame]

I really appreciate it

Am I gonna use all four at once since it’s gonna be 8GB?

[mental turret]

you could order 8, keep the best 4 and return the rest as per their 60 day policy.

only use all 4 at once if you need 8GB

otherwise just run the best 2

[sterile flame]

Okay okay

Alright well I’ll get on that

[wheat lintel]

@modern walrus I’m finally back to tuning this ram, can get 7000 stable fairly easily

[mental turret]

@short blade https://www.ebay.com/itm/235053896724 lmao

you should buy it

because i dont want to

[short blade]

why would i want this 💀

[wheat lintel]

@kind walrus it’s weird, I can’t get my gpu score above 31k now

I don’t know what I did

[mental turret]

some of the fastest 8GB sticks you can buy

high-density stuff

not benching relevant but it's interesting

[short blade]

I don't even have a ddr3 platform anymore

[mental turret]

im disappointed in you

you've let me down.

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-gif-25753065

[short blade]

I didn't want to bring three computers back home lmao

I sold the PC to my friend so she can finally stop gaming on a macbook

[hot parrot]

Should be able to take top 7700x score once I tune memory and set a manual oc

Or just tune bclk further even tbh

[wheat lintel]

I’m finally 21st on time spy for my hardware config but im noticing that I need higher clocks than basically other people to get similar scores

It’s weird, people are getting 33-34k scores with the same clocks I need to just get over 32k

I’ve got lower temps than them too

[manic seal]

Skill issue

[sterile flame]

clock stretching?

[wheat lintel]

Shouldn’t be

[zenith palm]

Overall score?

If so mem oc maybe

[wheat lintel]

Just graphics score

[zenith palm]

Checked the mem clocks?

Could just be better bins or something

[wheat lintel]

Yeah checked them

It’s weird tho, because apparently liquid devils are prebinned

Guess the other ones are just cracked

[zenith palm]

Afaik no bins are manually done anymore so theres gonna be variation

[restive sequoia]

I have subbed one and now need to wait for some sort of verification

[manic seal]

Imagine binning manually frfr like what is this, the stone age frfr

[mental turret]

my spreadsheets dont exist

[manic seal]

Imagine using spreadsheets amirite so cringe

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-gif-25753065

[manic seal]

Only nerds would use spreadsheets frfr

[kind walrus]

Did you update windows

[wheat lintel]

Nope

Also, looking back on it, never got my gpu to 34k, not sure how we got that number

This is where I’m at rn https://www.3dmark.com/spy/39408961

[kind walrus]

They are

[kind walrus]

Are you on win 11 22h2

[wheat lintel]

Yeah I’m on win 11

[kind walrus]

22h2 tho

Specifically

[wheat lintel]

Not sure yet

How do I check?

[kind walrus]

Windows settings

[wheat lintel]

It says I’m up to date

Yeah I’m on 22H2

[kind walrus]

Possibly related but probably not

22h2 is broken for TS

[wheat lintel]

Wdym?

[kind walrus]

It's an observed issue

Idk why

But even I had this problem

It just hates time spy

Also

When you oc the card

Did you go memory first?

Or voltage and clock

[wheat lintel]

Mem first

Wait no, this time for some reason I did core first

[kind walrus]

Yeah you do mem first on radeon

And try as hard as you can to get 2750+

Then worry about clock

Clocks barely matter like mem does

Mem matters way more

[wheat lintel]

If my core is too high, could it cause my mem to not clock high?

[kind walrus]

Yes

Absolutely

Also

Once these cards pass about 2750, iirc it's a SOC that gets triggered? It changes significantly, and you get a big perf boost

That's why I keep saying that number

[wheat lintel]

I brought my core down to 2700, trying mem at 2768 rn

[kind walrus]

It's been a bit but it's a significant number

[wheat lintel]

So having my core at almost 3000 really hasn’t been boosting my performance too much?

[kind walrus]

There's a thread on OC.net called the merc310 owners thread. Boatload of info about this stuff

[kind walrus]

Yep

[wheat lintel]

…oh damn, oh wow

Brought core down, no artifacts with high mem

[kind walrus]

Also you should be higher on TS

Ya

[wheat lintel]

Wdym?

[kind walrus]

TS I peaked around, 3200 iirc

Keep going

It's running good mem now

When you try this again you'll probably get better results

[wheat lintel]

Nope, artifacting again at 2768

[kind walrus]

Try 2760

And 2752

Bring voltage way up

Leave voltage in fact at stock for this

[wheat lintel]

Okay, rn it was at 1075

LOL

I’m loading up my bench bios profile

Should be fun

I should actually take the time to fully tune my ram

All it’s set to is 7000c40-42-42 with everything else XMP

And it’s stable

[kind walrus]

And just for note btw

Voltage scaling means jack for these cards

Some cards run terribly fast at 1.1V

Others and 1.035V

Mine at 1.07V

There's no consistency

[wheat lintel]

Ahh ok

[kind walrus]

Only Asic is a general idea

Tune it properly and you'll see 34K

[wheat lintel]

Still artifact at 2752

[kind walrus]

Hm

Maybe it's the driver

Also btw, run 3dmark independently if you want better results

Use ur steam version to get the codes

22.12.1

Iirc that was a good driver for TS

I think also 23.2.1?

Try those drivers then try 2752 next

If not you might need to just accept the mem isn't great

[wheat lintel]

…return and swap for new one????

[kind walrus]

Um no

Why

Sir

It's not broken

💀

[wheat lintel]

Microcenter return policy, no questions asked

[kind walrus]

Omg

[wheat lintel]

may or may not have done with it my DDR5

My OG DDR5 kit couldn’t even get 6400 stable at reasonable timings

[kind walrus]

You don't even know if it's broken yet

Also

You're only 5% off with like, an hour of tuning

Keep going

[wheat lintel]

Fair

[kind walrus]

They made later updates to allow the benefits over 2750 to be active below it too

But a bad oc is a bad oc

Keep going

You won't master it in one

I restarted a good few times before I finally dialled it properly

[restive sequoia]

yk which gpu to get for more then 35k gpu score

[wheat lintel]

…TS isn’t everything

4090 is horrible for me

[kind walrus]

He's not after more than 35K

[restive sequoia]

suddenly cant get the same score sounds worrying to me

sounds like degradation sort off

[kind walrus]

If he evc'd he could do 38K with an xtx anyway

[kind walrus]

No

[wheat lintel]

…never broke 33k yet

[kind walrus]

These cards run 800W without dying

[wheat lintel]

Good luck degrading a card with locked voltage too

[kind walrus]

He's trying 500W

[restive sequoia]

wish i could touch 40k but cant without some crashes

[kind walrus]

Cos gigglebit sucks for oc

[wheat lintel]

How do I run timespy without steam?

[kind walrus]

I warned you

[wheat lintel]

Gaming OC especially sucks

[kind walrus]

You download the standalone version then copy your codes over

[restive sequoia]

there is a settings tab in the 3d mark web page where you will see this

@kind walrus have you done 40k yet?

[kind walrus]

Pretty sure I did

[restive sequoia]

Like kinda triggered only like 500 points away but those 500 points are like being the hardest

[kind walrus]

Ah idk actually if I did

I have no score and when I did this 39K was top 100

I mustn't have submitted it

Looking now 44K is the peak which is higher than I remember

💀

[restive sequoia]

yeah saw some peeps doing like 3900mhz on the core

4090ti should be easy over 40k as it is supposed to be like 10% perf more

[hot parrot]

Tightening timings on my a die kit now 1 timing at a time

What can I expect for trfc1 ?

Rn I'm at 415 and so far still stable at 6200mhz

[wheat lintel]

Im not 100% sure but lowest I managed to get stable was 400ish at 7000mhz with my A-die

[kind walrus]

Iirc 400-460 is where a lot of people end up on intel

Don't ask me about Zen 4, haven't done it yet

[short blade]

I got 150ns on my mystery hynix

480 at 6400

maybe mine is m-die then

cause 415 is a lot lower than i would have been able to do at 6200

[kind walrus]

Iirc I landed on 420 or 440 on 7800 on the UX

Subtimings are less the issue on intel it's more just the voltages in agreement

You can cheese a lot of the timings on the 32gb kits to a repeatable set of numbers like terts especially

Might be different per use case or board but that was my experience with it

[short blade]

i tried 140ns, wasn't stable

😔

[wheat lintel]

I’m slowly getting around to tuning my ram kit again now that I can do 7200 on it

+1200 over XMP is actually pretty nice

[hot parrot]

I'm at 380 rn @kind walrus

Probably gonna start tightening other timings then come back to it

[kind walrus]

Ya don't run it too tight, it can affect stability still

[hot parrot]

Been running stability test on it and no errors yet so I could probably tighten it a bit more but I want to tighten other settings first. What's a normal twr?

Rn I'm at 48

Trying 42

Won't boot with 42

That might be too tight lol

[short blade]

i did this on ddr4

[wheat lintel]

I’m used to my RevE not wanting to do anything higher than +400

[short blade]

i did it on rev. e

[wheat lintel]

I think my IMC was just 💩

[short blade]

😔

[wheat lintel]

7200MT/s on a 64Gb kit is really good I think

DDR5>

[short blade]

no really

i thought you got 7200 mt/s on 64gb of ddr3

[wheat lintel]

That DDR3 go crazy

[wheat lintel]

See if you can get your tREFI to 262143

[mental turret]

me

[kind walrus]

Doesn't work on Zen 4

[proven canopy]

Just set 999999999999

(on intel)

Just makes it more temp sensitive

[wheat lintel]

Damn it doesnt?

I’m back to climbing the TS leaderboard, up to 18th

[hot parrot]

I could test it

[wheat lintel]

Decided to say screw it to the GPU and accepted that it’s stuck at 32.5k, now just pushing my cpu

Idk why, but I can’t go up past 5.7 GHz on my cpu for it

[proven canopy]

Could try bclk down for the systeminfo scan, that's the hardest part.

5.8 is hard on a 13900k

[hot parrot]

Scored this on 7700x

Still tuning it more though

[wheat lintel]

The weird part is I can do 6.0 easily all core on other benchmarks, it’s just timespy that doesn’t like it

[hot parrot]

Timespy is annoying ASF @wheat lintel

[wheat lintel]

Wdym by bclk down tho?

[hot parrot]

There's a reason I'm not trying for timespy top spot for my parts

That program doesn't work half the time

Corrupts itself super easily too

[proven canopy]

What other benchmarks? ycruncher? r23?

[wheat lintel]

Yeah both of those and r20

Wait, I think I’m dumb, I just realized I accidentally forgot to set one of my cores to 60x

[proven canopy]

Are you sure it's not thermal throttling?

Or that

What board?

[wheat lintel]

Z790 Aorus Master

I’m going to bring everything down to 59x and see how that goes

Does AVX offset affect time spy at all?

[wheat lintel]

Yeppp, i figured out what i was doing wrong. fixed it and my cpu score went up by 2k https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/95869127

[hot parrot]

I might need to change my LLC

My CPU is more stable under load than idle lol

When I lower voltages curve it crashes always in idle but seems perfectly stable when fully loaded lol

[undone flame]

Does anyone have this kit?

I managed to get it to run at 7000Mhz and latency is 61NS

[proven canopy]

That's a curve optimizer problem. Test with corecycler

[restive sequoia]

with the previous cpu gpu score got reduced by more then 10k

[hot parrot]

@proven canopy managed to get it stable at 5.6ghz all core finally

[ancient bridge]

What cpu?

[hot parrot]

Had to tune voltage and LLC to get it stable at 103bclk

@ancient bridge 7700x

[ancient bridge]

ooooo

[hot parrot]

Main issue is getting it stable at boot rather than at load

It boosts single core too much

Unless I dial in voltage perfectly

[scenic vine]

Now run YC SFT (13)

[hot parrot]

Nah

It'll be stable but will clock down

Tuned it to stay cool enough for benches

[scenic vine]

So bench stable 🧠

You can run it on less cores

[hot parrot]

Only reason I'm using pbo with bclk

Meh, it's gonna be stable on any use

Just will heat up and down clock on ycruncher

Would make more sense to use 102bclk and -10 more mv for that

Ngl my mobo is carrying me in this ic cause voltage regulation is so consistent

Allows me to really dial things in

[proven canopy]

For benching? Why would you run that all core for daily

[proven canopy]

Almost any board should be able to do that, cooling matters far more, and there's only so much you can do without a delid and or LM.

[hot parrot]

For benching

Although I may do the 102bclk profile for daily

Cause it's a lot easier to keep cool and still insane boost

[proven canopy]

2% isn't an insane boost

[hot parrot]

Insane boost clock I mean for fewer cores

A d still does 5.535 all core with 102bclk

[proven canopy]

It'll affect all clocks - by 2%

[hot parrot]

It also changes how the algorithm behaves and the max allowed values when using pbo

It caps clocks too soon on 100bclk

But 103 it boosts too high while booting

102 is a nice sweet spot

Super stable at low voltages and easy to cool so doesn't drop clocks

@proven canopy kinda sucks that my bios locks me to 1.3v soc

Would be nice to get 6400mhz stable for benching

And would only probably need like 1.35v

[proven canopy]

soc only does so much, and 1.3 isn't that bad, play with vddio, vdd, vddq, other cpu side voltages.

6400 benching should be easy on m/a die.

[hot parrot]

Already at 1.5v memory and 1.8v controller voltage

My chip just doesn't have a golden bin imc

I'd probably need 1.35v soc for 6400

Cause I can get kinda barely into windows at 1.3v sometimes

1.35 would probably get it stable

Kinda thinking of buying another evc for mobo just for soc lol

[proven canopy]

Controller voltage? What's at 1.8?

[hot parrot]

Idk why I said controller voltage. Was multi tasking

Meant vpp

[proven canopy]

Oh, that's normal

For benching on a/m die, you can turn it up past 1.7, it'll stop scaling before you do anything dangerous.

[hot parrot]

Might not on my cooling kek

Highest temp I think I ever reached on my ram was 34c

And that was an oddball reported temp I think

Cause it went back down to 33

[mental turret]

I approve of the ram heatsinks

[finite frigate]

lokey i think those are sick

[wheat lintel]

1.7 is fine on A-die?

Oh damn, 7800 MT/s here I come

[proven canopy]

I can't say what definitely won't kill or degrade your ram - but I can say that many of us have benched a-die to 1.7v+ without noticing any degradation on cpu/mem

[wheat lintel]

I didn’t want to go past 1.575 at all LOL

And I was getting 7200/7400 stable with that

[proven canopy]

1.6-1.7 is normal benching range for a-die ime

You usually have vddq a bit lower, like 1.62 vdd, 1.6 vddq

[wheat lintel]

Oh ok, that makes things a good bit easier I think

I’ll try it out tmrw after work

Also is 1.35 Vout on a 13900k fine?

Can’t find much online about safe voltages for it

[proven canopy]

e.g. seby did this at 1.695 vdd, 1.65 vddq https://i.imgur.com/j7ToSer.png

[wheat lintel]

Oh wow

[proven canopy]

Pretty sure vout on giga boards just measures vrm output voltage for vcore

[wheat lintel]

I’m on a 64Gb kit so I doubt I’ll be able to get that high LOL

[proven canopy]

2x32 dual rank a-die?

[wheat lintel]

What should I be looking at then?

[wheat lintel]

Yep

[proven canopy]

That

Isn't it called vr_out in hwinfo?

[wheat lintel]

Yeah it is

So is 1.35V fine?

[proven canopy]

Idk, most of us in the US use the apex, the germans have tachyons

None of us bench cpu/mem on anything but asus, some guys have darks

[wheat lintel]

Because some places I’ve seen say no more than 1.3V, some say 1.4V

[proven canopy]

When you're in the range of 1.3-1.5v benching - you're not risking killing the chip. At worst, you'll slightly degrade it. If you're really worried, test every once in a while with fixed settings for min voltage 10/10 passes r23 or similar.

Even if you lose 100 mhz, nbd, learn from the mistakes, and all computer parts lose value in time anyway.

That said - I've yet to ever degrade a chip, but I don't bench hard ambeint.

[wheat lintel]

Yeah I’m just worried about degradation a bit

But honestly if I degrade from 6.1 to 6.0, not really a big deal

I don’t run it OCed for daily

[proven canopy]

It takes a lot of abuse to degrade from an average chip to not being able to run stock.

And unless you have a golden chip - even the worst case of degrading 100mhz+ for benching use case won't matter in the long run.

[wheat lintel]

I only really bench like maybe once a week or so, so I doubt I’ll actually degrade it too much

[proven canopy]

Do the hwbot

Join the cult team

[wheat lintel]

I really need to start uploading, I’m on the wegg team but never actually uploaded anything

And I do have some decent scores

[proven canopy]

benchmate + ocsnap is ezmode

Especially if you bench connected to internet

[wheat lintel]

Well did, I lost some of my time spy ones on older hardware

You think this is worth uploading? https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/95869127

[proven canopy]

If you bench ambient, you have 3 months to try for #1 rookie league

Should go for it

[proven canopy]

lol, what's the harm? Why not?

[wheat lintel]

True

[proven canopy]

Just go look up the card on hwbot and see how it stacks up vs other ambient

There's no shame in being #30 of 120

[wheat lintel]

I think I got a better chance with my CPU lol

My 7900 XTX has really sad VRAM

[finite frigate]

anbyone have some dirt cheap bin rejects?

[mental turret]

which chips

[finite frigate]

D4, literally anything, dont care what it runs at, dont care wat capacity, just that it works

[mental turret]

so you have motherboards and memory for every platform in existance

[finite frigate]

kaby, 7700k, z270

[mental turret]

would make more sense to ask for binning rejects in hwbot or that poopoo reddit overclocking discord

[finite frigate]

fair

[sudden torrent]

Got some 16GB 3200c16 C Die

[finite frigate]

probably out of my price range 💀

ill just wait until i can actually get something usable-ish for cheaper

[sudden torrent]

I'll dm you

[finite frigate]

k

<3

[ancient bridge]

Wait a minute I have ram but it would prob cost just as much to ship as the stuff i linked

[ancient bridge]

Dont make him change his mind LMAO

[finite frigate]

is it poopoo garbage or usable enough

[ancient bridge]

Its rated for 3200 c16 but it was stable at 3600 c18

[finite frigate]

straight up need it to work and kinda function

[ancient bridge]

same crap as his

prob

t force 8gb x2 dimms

[finite frigate]

dm pics?

[ancient bridge]

Theyre delided lmao

but i have the spreaders

if u wanted

[mental turret]

@finite frigate buy x79

buy lga1150

DO IT

[finite frigate]

WHY

[ancient bridge]

No he bought my wams

[finite frigate]

I NEED TO FINISH MY KABY RIG FIRST