overclocking

[finite frigate]

memtweak it doesnt let you do whats not possible (to a degree)

[short blade]

sad

[wheat lintel]

…how did you get 0? Doesn’t 0 just set it to auto on gigabyte boards?

[finite frigate]

im not using bios

[wheat lintel]

Bruh memtweakit doesn’t let me change my timings

[finite frigate]

turn on realtime timing control

i think 3/3/12 is just actually 4/4/16 cause gb perf didnt change

how sad

[short blade]

I remember reading an article about this

[finite frigate]

and i think lower values are auto

[short blade]

where they saw a measurable performance benefit from 3/3/12

but nothing from 2/2/8

[finite frigate]

i want higher freq

which means g2 or cr2 :(

[wheat lintel]

G1 DDR5 when?

[wheat lintel]

Where do I find that?

[short blade]

is g1 ddr5 possible if you clock it very low? or does ddr5 just mandate g2 regardless

[wheat lintel]

My board doesn’t even have an option for g2

[finite frigate]

1st one

pretty sure anyways

[wheat lintel]

Yeah so I can’t get my terts lower than 16/8/16/16

And I don’t think I can get my tREFI above 65534

[finite frigate]

its time

oh thats fast

lol

[short blade]

higher frequency = higher bandwidth

who knew

[finite frigate]

who wouldvbe guessed

i need to bin my 4 dimms

[steady lance]

Is 4000Mhz CL16-16-16-36 a good B-Die bin?

out of curiosity and I found a G.Skill Ripjaw kit on Newegg with those XMP settings for $266.

Or is 3600MHz CL14-14-14-34 a better bin?

3600-cl14 seems to be better but I can't say for sure.

[kind walrus]

Jfc $266 for that

You can get top shelf ddr5 for a third of the price

And use the rest on a perfectly powerful AM5 board

Or even with a decent z790/z690

That's a hard pass

[steady lance]

I know.

I am just curious.

Like bin wise is that good?

[kind walrus]

It depends

Like Vermeer it doesn't at all, B die is B die

[mental turret]

huh

[kind walrus]

G1 11th gen or 12th/13th, again, you won't really see the benefit

[steady lance]

that sentence does not make much sense...

[mental turret]

give him a break, he's Australian

[steady lance]

Chilllax man.

[kind walrus]

The difference between your best kit of b die on ccd ryzen and your worst kit is extremely small because you're fclk limited

Any half decent b die passes as good as the best stuff

Gear 1 intel chips as well

[steady lance]

With Ryzen due to FCLK you want timings to be as tight as possible correct?

[kind walrus]

Yes and binning doesn't do much in that department

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[kind walrus]

Binning you get the frequency gains

[steady lance]

I thought the bin would affect cas limitations.

[kind walrus]

On cezanne it can help

Not really no

I mean

Ok there are obvious extremes

Like b die on vengeance doesn't even count as b die really

But if you have any A1/A2/A3 B die it's generally speaking more than enough for good 3733-4000 tuned ddr4

[mental turret]

A0 bdie can do well-"tuned" 4000

not that you'd wanna go out of your way to buy any though

[kind walrus]

Can

[mental turret]

yes, same goes for any other bdie on any other pcb.

[kind walrus]

I've also seen some that can't

Lol

[mental turret]

it's about whether or not the ICs suck, the PCB is fine.

[kind walrus]

Oh ig

This was old stuff

So I assumed pcb had some relationship

[mental turret]

it does, but at higher frequencies

[steady lance]

A1,A2,A3???

What does that mean.

[mental turret]

though there's probably some nuances im unaware of

[kind walrus]

Pcb revisions

[steady lance]

oh.

[kind walrus]

Bigger number newer

[steady lance]

is newer better?

[kind walrus]

Lately I've been struggling to say yes to this statement * cough cough * 4060 Ti * cough *

[kind walrus]

It is regarded as better yes

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[kind walrus]

But indeed IC's play a huge factor. B die is very much binned extensively

[steady lance]

Also man I really wonder if I still want to get a 5950x I just remembered about the 16% tax that is based on the total of product value and shipping cost which makes all the current deals on ebay come out to at least $470....

Makes me wonder if I'd be better off getting a lower end 13th gen intel.

[kind walrus]

If you do go 5950x, stick with your current ram lol

[steady lance]

or AM5.

[steady lance]

yes xD.

Do you think I can get a 13700K and mobo for $470?

nvm

[kind walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-dot-dot-dot-stick-figure-intresting-gif-23376515

Maybe MC has something close to that

[steady lance]

I can get a 12700KF for 5200 mxn.

$470 comes out to 8200 MXN.

[kind walrus]

What about 13600kf

[steady lance]

So I may be able to get 12700KF + cheap mobo for the price of a 5950x.

[steady lance]

lemme check gimme a sec

[steady lance]

$50 more.

[kind walrus]

Hm

A little worth it tbh

[steady lance]

Also isn't the 12700KF slightly faster than the 13600KF?

[kind walrus]

No

[faint tangle]

No

[steady lance]

wow you guys were in sync there.

[kind walrus]

13600kf wins on all fronts

[faint tangle]

Yeah, 13400 slightly loses

13500 basically matches for multi core, tiny bit less

Speaking of check 13500, if it's cheaper than 12700k might be worth

[steady lance]

I see that the 13600K has 2 less P cores compared to 12700K

[faint tangle]

Does it? I thought they were both 6p8e

[steady lance]

8P4E vs 6P8E

[faint tangle]

Oh 12700k is 8p4e

[kind walrus]

It's still faster

On all fronts

[faint tangle]

Yeah, by a good bit

Idt 12700k wins in anything

[kind walrus]

13600K barely loses to a 12900K in multicore

[steady lance]

how is a 13500 more expensive then a 13600K.....

[faint tangle]

Yeah

[steady lance]

that makes no sense.

[faint tangle]

And beats 12900k in single core

Wait no, matches

I lied

[kind walrus]

13500 doesn't even really need to exist

[kind walrus]

No beats

13600k yes?

[faint tangle]

Yeah

[kind walrus]

Yeah beats

[faint tangle]

Bro I cannot type

Or think

[kind walrus]

Lol it's ok I'll thjnk today

[faint tangle]

Thanks

[kind walrus]

Lol

[steady lance]

If I were to spend $500 on a cpu or cpu/mobo combo what would you guys recommend?

[kind walrus]

At this stage?

Hmmm

Probably 7700+b650m hdv

Or 13600kf+b760m pg riptide

Depends what my priorities are

[steady lance]

Probably not 7700 due to the fact that I would need to replace ram.

[faint tangle]

Server, but I think on Linux iirc?

[steady lance]

Personal use.

[kind walrus]

Both are ddr5

[steady lance]

Games, Blender, Davinci Resolve, etc.

[kind walrus]

Ddr5 is so dummy cheap now there's not a lot of reasons to avoid it

And that's good ddr5 too

[faint tangle]

$80 for a 5600c32 kit that ocs well

[steady lance]

Doesn't 13th gen also support ddr4?

[faint tangle]

$124 for a 7400mhz kit last I saw (c*rsair)

[kind walrus]

Yeah, huge increase even at xmp over 3200 c16

[kind walrus]

Yes but the pg riptide is 120$

So it's a no brainer

There's not really any better value intel boards rn

14 stage vrm so it runs anything really

[faint tangle]

Did aorus pro go back up to $160?

[kind walrus]

Uhh, I think so? Might still be 130

[steady lance]

Took a look and the 7700x is slightly more than the 13600K.

[kind walrus]

That would be a second place choice if 130 and strapped for budget

[kind walrus]

7700

Not the x

And again

[kind walrus]

.

[steady lance]

brb

nvm

[kind walrus]

Cos you can do AM5+buildzoid easy timings and have a basically tapped out zen 4 rig

[steady lance]

more expensive than the x for me.

[kind walrus]

Also the 7700 runs on the stock cooler

So no aio or dual tower needed unlike 13600kf

[steady lance]

CPU definitely.

[kind walrus]

...

[steady lance]

I can reuse my LT720 push/pull so cooling isn't a issue.

[kind walrus]

Well you're answering your own question now 😅

[steady lance]

Hmmmm.

[steady lance]

Is the perf difference between a simple kit like this and my 4000c16 DDR4 big enough that it would overpower the perf gains from getting a better cpu paired with a D4 board?

[kind walrus]

Yes

[steady lance]

really?

[kind walrus]

Yes

[steady lance]

How big of a difference?

[kind walrus]

Depends

Tuned vs tuned, a few %

Xmp vs xmp, up to double digits

[steady lance]

My DDR4 is already tuned in.

[kind walrus]

C16 on hynix?

That's very different

[steady lance]

S8D

[kind walrus]

Maybe more than a few%

I'm not familiar with S8D

Only C and B

[steady lance]

Afaik it kinda sets in between.

[kind walrus]

No clue

[steady lance]

Gaming wise, 13600K vs 5950x Vs, 7700X which is best?

I guess I oaught to start with that.

[kind walrus]

13600k but ddr5

Otherwise 7700

/7700x (literally the same)

[sudden torrent]

7700X but it's only by about 3% over the 13600k. You'll have the same gaming experience on either.

[kind walrus]

Yeah 13600k needs certain conditions

Like a 10 minute OC can make up that gap so fast

[steady lance]

Hmmm after some thought I might up the budget and pospone the server parts till I am back in China due to shipping fees.

[sudden torrent]

Personally I'd go 7700 since it's a longer lasting platform

LGA1700 has maybe one more in it, assuming rumors are true and they pushed back meteor lake, making 14th gen a raptor lake refresh on LGA1700

[kind walrus]

7700 imo too

Stock cooler plus cheap board

Plus cheap ddr5

Ez high end

[steady lance]

Yeah I think AM5 is the way to go since I can upgrade to a 8950x once that's out afterwards.

[kind walrus]

7800x3d is the only upgrade from that

[sudden torrent]

Or a 9950X for that matter

[steady lance]

I can make due with 8 cores for the time being.

[steady lance]

True, though I am reaching the limitations of 8 cores on blender pretty soon.

Yeah AM5 it is.

Now to decide if I up the budget as to which board, cpu, mobo combo to go for.

I gtg see ya guys later.

[sudden torrent]

AMD has been the go to for blender for a long time too

cya

[kind walrus]

[modern walrus]

what do you have tRRD_L set to?

[mental turret]

[short blade]

finally got tWTRs done by raising SA

[ancient bridge]

Gross

[mental turret]

do you know what those are lol

[steady lance]

What's the best DDR5 die for overclocking?

[finite frigate]

hyper sodimms???

[wheat lintel]

Hynix A or M

Maybe that new Samsung once it releases

[sterile flame]

A is all around better unless it's a really early sample, but yeah. used to be that M tightened down better, but not anymore

[rancid seal]

afaik A die is universally better

[short blade]

does newer A-die do tighter timings?

damn i wish i knew what die my ddr5 was

any guesses as to whether this was M or A? lol

[zenith palm]

what kit was it?

[rancid seal]

M

because I've yet to see A tighten that much

[short blade]

what's the giveaway?

[rancid seal]

low CAS latency

[short blade]

ahh

okay so M can still be better on ryzen?

[rancid seal]

M does lower CAS latency in my experience

[short blade]

when you're super freq limited anyways

[rancid seal]

A is slightly worse, but like

[short blade]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B3HGJ4V7

[rancid seal]

do you actually need 6400c30 on Intel

[short blade]

what i heard before was that M was better when you're freq limited on ryzen (or non-K intel i guess)

otherwise A is better

[rancid seal]

holy crap that's a bin

[rancid seal]

tbf I kinda assume you're not freq limited on Intel

which is a bad assumption for non-K

[short blade]

where do non-K cpus usually top out at?

6800? 7000? 7200?

[rancid seal]

pretty low - SA is limited to 0.95 iirc

[zenith palm]

Most likely M

[rancid seal]

I'd be surprised if you could do 6800 on some of the worst chips

[short blade]

i know mine did 3600g1 on 0.946v, but i don't think that scales 1:1 to 7200g2

then again, that was 12th gen, maybe 13th gen is a bit better?

[short blade]

is CL the only thing that M does better?

[rancid seal]

I don't think it does anything else better

you can probably get that team kit to do c28

[short blade]

honestly, with how much, um... fun... ddr4 has been on raptor lake, i'll probably avoid ever using ddr5 with raptor lake

[rancid seal]

I can't get over 6800 and I don't really care enough to figure out why

[short blade]

yeah i just didn't really feel like raising vdd

[rancid seal]

I've asked Rommy to bring her 7200 kit this summer

because idk whether it's a horrible IMC or a bad kit

[short blade]

it was for a client pc, didn't really want temps or anything to be a concern, no direct airflow and who knows how well he will maintain it

[rancid seal]

if it's a bad IMC, I might be able to get a CPU from Forks

a CPU with a hopefully better IMC

[short blade]

what chip?

[rancid seal]

13900K

[short blade]

could be you just need to mess with voltages

[rancid seal]

me when I spent hours trying to figure out this chip

[short blade]

me when i spent weeks trying to perfectly tune all 12 parameters related to imc on this chip

[rancid seal]

This board also had some serious issues with A die early on

[short blade]

[rancid seal]

and I'm wondering if that's still an issue

[short blade]

gone are the days of just messing with SA/IO

[rancid seal]

maybe the board just hates A die

that'd suck but hey

[short blade]

SA isn't even the most important IMC voltage anymore LOL

[rancid seal]

screams internally

this is why I run XMP

[short blade]

have you seen my spreadsheet from hell

[rancid seal]

don't think so

[sudden torrent]

It's important if you want to run more than DDR4 3466 🙃

[rancid seal]

DDR5-6800 gang represent

[rancid seal]

oh my god

[short blade]

i didn't include any POST fails

and also this spreadsheet is only from my most recent session

[rancid seal]

the problem is that my board lacks a post code reader

[short blade]

so maybe 1/10 of what i've actually tried

i also don't have post code

[rancid seal]

so basically a post failure is

board takes too long to post -> scream

thank god ASRock recovery is sane

[short blade]

if it doesn't turn on in 2 minutes it's a post fail

[rancid seal]

if it doesn't post in 30 seconds

it's a post fail

this board is quick

[short blade]

fair enough

i just am usually looking at my phone or something instead of watching it post lol

[rancid seal]

well, it revs up the fans every time it restarts the process

and if it does that 3 times -> fail

it's not likely to train after 3 attempts

[short blade]

you should zoom in on that screenshot and see just how insane voltage tolerances are on this IMC

[rancid seal]

wtf

5mV tolerances

💀

[short blade]

5mV tolerances on literally everything

for some voltages like VDDQ, 5mV is the difference between stable and instant OS brick

every single voltage is 1 tick tolerance

[sudden torrent]

I'm so glad I'm still on AM4 and didn't buy into the first DDR5 platforms

[short blade]

and tons of voltages are affected by timings

so you have to find the perfect tick more than once

[short blade]

this isn't even ddr5

[sudden torrent]

But it is on a DDR5 capable platform

[short blade]

welp

tCWL 10 might not be doable

of course, I can't tell until I spend another 2 days on voltages

[mental turret]

We call that skill issue

ass

crock

[kind walrus]

Ass c-

[mental turret]

crock

[kind walrus]

I've already had one infraction today

Co-

Croc?

[mental turret]

it's auto blocked lol

[kind walrus]

🐊

[mental turret]

Doesn't even let me get warned by the bot

[kind walrus]

Lmao

[mental turret]

MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH

[kind walrus]

It's been cocked around with!

[mental turret]

Bruh

Cockacola

[kind walrus]

Conke

[mental turret]

Cocktail

[kind walrus]

Bepsi

Bepis

Yes hi

M die is fass

[mental turret]

Gdie is faster

[kind walrus]

[rancid seal]

I don’t have a 7200 kit.

I have a 6800 kit

Nope, went for 6800 instead

[kind walrus]

Didn't the asrock z790 only go up to like 5600 anyway

[rancid seal]

I mean I have a 7600 kit

[mental turret]

I might do a little x99 oc today

[kind walrus]

The beautiful z790 that has terrifibad mem oc 💀

[mental turret]

M15a, problem solved

[kind walrus]

YES

[rancid seal]

Anyways let me set up this meme rig

[kind walrus]

IT'S EVEN A DECENT PRICE

$220 FOR SONIC

IT MAKES YOUR SCREEN GO BLUE WITH FAST RAM

LIKE SONIC

WE ALL LOVE BLUE RITE?

[rancid seal]

Gonna set up X79 with a 3090

and a meme AMD GPU

@mental turret be proud of me

[kind walrus]

Are you trying to be a masochist

[mental turret]

Hack: put sonic stickers on all your mobos

[rancid seal]

I mean, it’s an ML rig

[kind walrus]

I DON'T NEED THE TRUTH LIKE THIS

[mental turret]

Which x79 board

[rancid seal]

Probably won’t bother with the AMD GPU and it’s not X79

[mental turret]

You suck

[kind walrus]

Still sounds masochistic

Thanks autocorrect

[mental turret]

My x79 boards support rebar

Instantly better than 95% of modern boards

Fight me

[kind walrus]

No I won't fight it

Cos it's true

Rebar is old and long supported

Will it make a 3090 better tho? No 💀

[rancid seal]

It’s probably going to be based off one of the Centaur boards

because why not

I have too many of these mfers

[mental turret]

Ewaste

[rancid seal]

Cope

[kind walrus]

Centaur?

[rancid seal]

4ch DDR4 with a bunch of PCIe

[mental turret]

I'm gonna put a 1620v3 in your centaur boards

[rancid seal]

they’re haswell tier cores running at ~2GHz

[kind walrus]

Fill it with so many random gpus

[mental turret]

Crappier x99, literally

[kind walrus]

Gt210, 6600xt, 3090, ati HD

[rancid seal]

with AVX512 so you know it’s better than X79

[kind walrus]

Ps3 emus gonna slap

[mental turret]

Literally still slower than x99 using avx2

[rancid seal]

okay and?

[rancid seal]

I wouldn’t use X99 in a server environment anyways

[mental turret]

Who's talking about servers

[rancid seal]

Me?

[rancid seal]

It’s going into a 4u case

[mental turret]

I'm putting x99 into a 4u

Already did

[rancid seal]

Cope platform

[mental turret]

Okay centaur user

[rancid seal]

Works fine

I’ll use whatever I want to

it doesn’t really matter that much

The alternative is throwing this defective looking 5900X into a board

[mental turret]

Poop?

[rancid seal]

Least insane kittens

@mental turret should I trust this 850G2 for a 3090

[mental turret]

Yes

[ancient bridge]

My 5900x fr

Funny how my sisters 4770k feels smoother than my pc in game 🗿

[sudden torrent]

Dual CCD be like

[ancient bridge]

Time to upgrade (do not take me seriously)

[kind walrus]

• Concerns harder *

[ancient bridge]

LMAO

[mental turret]

upgrade to ddr3

make the switch

i will supply you with hardware

[ancient bridge]

Let's go

[short blade]

it's because of the superior memory

[ancient bridge]

Frfr her 12gbs of mismatched psc and ddie is amazing

[short blade]

lmao you actually put the psc in there

[mental turret]

You put the bad psc in it right

[ancient bridge]

Yes

1866 go crazy

Just for her to play tic tac toe

[mental turret]

Bruh

[ancient bridge]

And roblox

Deadass taking the 1070 out tonight to see if she even notices

[mental turret]

[sudden torrent]

Send it to me
I need at least a 1070 to transcode 4k plex lol

[mental turret]

Well I play roblox occasionally on my 12900k and 2080ti lmao

[ancient bridge]

Lolll 1070ti go brr

[ancient bridge]

Even more of a waste of hardware 🥴

[mental turret]

I still play bf1 and div 2

240hz

[ancient bridge]

At 1440p?

2080ti go crazy

[mental turret]

Some games

[kind walrus]

2080ti go crazy

[mental turret]

baller card

[kind walrus]

go crazy

[mental turret]

[faint tangle]

but 2080 ti has less vram than 3060 12gb

so 2080 ti worse obviously

[mental turret]

bruhbrubhrubhr

[faint tangle]

I was gonna tag him and make the message "so 2080 ti is worse, right @restive sequoia?

Oops didn't mean to ping lol

[ancient bridge]

LMFAOOO

[short blade]

time for ram stress testing in linux

[mental turret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/13svipa/i_put_dry_ice_on_cpu_to_overclock/

it's the spirit that counts right

[dull ginkgo]

yea

he's going to go far

[kind walrus]

awaythrower

[ancient bridge]

Closenearcatcher

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/yuuta-okkotsu-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-21876452

[eternal relic]

as much as im going to bother tuning this 2x s8b for daily

dr s8b sooner or later anyway, 16gb ram for daily sucks

might try for 4.3 ring but meh

running 5.2P, whatever stock E is and 4.2 ring atm

[mental turret]

for daily?

[eternal relic]

yeah

4 4 16 trrds and tfaw would probs be stable

but i can not be bothered to go to bios again

[steady lance]

Running timespy I wonder what scores I will get.

Previous run showed my CPU sustained 4.8ghz throughout the whole run.

And max temps for CPU was 60-65c due to fan settings. I just put all the fans in full speed.

With fans at full speed here was my temps and score;

• Scored 13221
• CPU 57c
• GPU 43c
• VRMs 47c

[finite frigate]

duh

[eternal relic]

im lazy

[finite frigate]

rdwr's are good at 11 but if they can be 11 theyre probable stable at 10

why tf is your trefi so wack

[eternal relic]

i just set it to max like a normal person

[finite frigate]

thats not max

65535 is

[eternal relic]

okay, then i attempted to set it to maxl ike a normal person but failed

[finite frigate]

💀

tcl 15 seems high for bdie

[eternal relic]

i set primaries once at the start and didnt touch them again

primaries r for bozo's

[finite frigate]

💀

fr

[eternal relic]

what is that

c died?

[finite frigate]

rev.e

[eternal relic]

ahh

high freq at least?

[finite frigate]

3733 💀

[eternal relic]

[finite frigate]

3200 rated stuff, on RKL no need for high freq

all my 4 dimms do 5200 though

heres 4800

[night grail]

blasphemy

rkl does one thing really well and thats ddr4 high freq

[finite frigate]

does well. does not mean it cares about freq for daily lol

[finite frigate]

i was talking about how i did 5200

[night grail]

at 1.45V vdimm

[finite frigate]

i mine was at 1.5vdimm

[night grail]

best ive done is 6034 at 1.7V on air

[finite frigate]

i dont have dimms that can do 6000 💀

[night grail]

$50 16gb kit did it

[finite frigate]

ia lso dunno if my imc will take above 5200 but i dunno

[finite frigate]

a kit of rev.e rated for 3200 wont

surprised they did above 5000, tbh

[night grail]

no best ive done rev e is just over 5000

[finite frigate]

i did 4x8gb all at 5200

[night grail]

almost every rev e stick can do 5000 cl18

[finite frigate]

yeah but above that is kind of a mystery

[finite frigate]

and finding voltage tolerranceis also a mystery

some sticks like 1.65 and some like 1.5

4x8 5200 was at 1.5 vdimm

[eternal relic]

4266 tuned kind of on a b560m pro

with a g6400 lol

no avx go brrr

[steady lance]

How does one tell if a DDR5 ram is Hynix M or A die?

[sudden torrent]

Look at the memory chips

[steady lance]

that requires delidding doesn't it?

[sudden torrent]

If it has a heat spreader yeah

[steady lance]

anyway to tell without one like how B-die has specific characteristics such as flat timings xmp?

[short blade]

according to brutus, you can make a guess based on tCL

for the lower clocked kits

anything above like 6800? is gonna be a-die

newer kits are also more likely to be a-die than m-die regardless

otherwise, if it's a lower clocked kit, no real dead giveaways like b-die

[steady lance]

what cas should I look for?

Something like 6800c36?

[short blade]

tuned cas, not xmp cas

so I guess you don't know until you buy it

my kit was 6000c30 xmp which I tuned to 6400c30

never actually knew which IC, but brutus said he thought it was M

[wheat lintel]

Mine has the same XMP and its m-die

@modern walrus Bruh got an error after an hour of ycruncher

[wheat lintel]

How likely is it that RTTs are causing errors?

[wheat lintel]

…nice

[modern walrus]

maybe try tRDRD_sg (tRRD_L) 16

[proven canopy]

If it's gskill, look at the serial

Also very easy to tell by what timings/freq it'll run

[wheat lintel]

I restarted everything and now I’m just trying for tight timings at 6400 for daily

[modern walrus]

heck you were so close lol

[wheat lintel]

I still have that profile saved if I want to go back to it

@modern walrus nvm, back to tuning 6800. It’s more cooperative than 6400

[modern walrus]

lol makes sense

like every frequency seems to need its own settings

[wheat lintel]

Couldn’t get anything stable at 6400

[modern walrus]

drives me heckin nuts

[wheat lintel]

Even tried different voltages and everything

No stability

[modern walrus]

have you tried auto voltages?

you're leaving tWR auto?

what about tRTP?

& tWTR_S/L?

[wheat lintel]

Yeah at 6400 nothing helped

6800 having my tRRD_L at 16 is nice and stable I think

[wheat lintel]

…was having my tRRD_L at 8 really the cause of my issues?

[steady lance]

G.Skill has a 042 code for DDR5 as well?

[proven canopy]

The serial will have an m vs an a.

042 codes aren't serial numbers

[steady lance]

Could you show me an example?

[sudden torrent]

Starts with 0T on this stick and ends with A

[proven canopy]

nvm, not serial, but this is m-die

[sudden torrent]

Perhaps 0T48 is the new 042/043

I also see some with 0M48 so there's a little consistency

One with 0R48

Guess we can call them 0X48 codes or something

And then I see a 0T56 (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[steady lance]

Should I be looking for the S2A is 16GB Hynix A die correct?

Hynix M can do tighter timings yes?

[sterile flame]

tighter than very early A die samples. but outside of that A die is better in frequency and timings on average

[wheat lintel]

@modern walrus error on the 8th hour of ycruncher

Could my tRFC of 392 be too low possibly?

tRFC2 is 360

tRFCpb is 280

Ehh I brought my tCWL up to 36 from 34 and testing again

[proven canopy]

I assume you're running vst?

Setting whatever gigabyte calls "eventual mc voltage" could help.

e.g.
1.44 vdd2 bios was unstable
1.44 vdd2 bios, 1.45 set in os was stable for me,
1.45 set in bios was unstable, while 1.44 vdd2, 1.45 eventual mc, both set in bios was stable

[wheat lintel]

ffts

[sterile flame]

can you feedback mod the up9512r?? all of the documentation I've seen online seems to mention modifying the vref and refin pins, but I'm not really sure how to do that 😅

[short blade]

is this a thing for ddr4?

i see eventual dram voltage but not eventual mc voltage

[proven canopy]

No idea

[short blade]

always just had eventual dram voltage the same as dram voltage

[proven canopy]

FB, no, vref, yes

[sterile flame]

gotcha. would you be able to point me in the right direction for researching how to do that?

[proven canopy]

Remove ref_adj resistor, push current into refin

Do you have an evc?

Better yet, put a switch where refadj is, wire gnd and refin to a 2 pin header glued to the edge of the board

[sterile flame]

nope, I'll probably get getting one though

[proven canopy]

Do you hwbot?

[sterile flame]

oh that sounds loads easier than everything else I was reading

I have * a * post on there. I was recruited for the AMD speedway bench for the country cup this winter

[proven canopy]

I did this same mod 5+ times during country cup on various cards lol. All the evga turing/ampere stuff

Oh, yeah, sorry, that was you haha

[sterile flame]

yep :p

[proven canopy]

Yeah, that was a great speedway score, helped us quite a bit. We nearly had a clean sweep, won 21/22 stages.

[eternal relic]

my 2080ti didnt work with latest drivers on the older hof xoc bios i had back then, so i couldnt sub for CC speedway 😔

wouldve been a good score too

[undone flame]

anyone know about this ram kit?

or the safe voltages?

[kind walrus]

Hynix A

Safe volts up to like 1.6V in good airflow

Beyond that (or close to that, maybe even 1.55) use a fan over it

[short blade]

i am out of ideas for tCWL 10 to work

probably have to settle for 12

[modern walrus]

if only some clown with a worthless 3080ti could've come thru for us.... sad lol

[modern walrus]

Hynix rates it up to 1.55 so probably 1.65 np lmao

[kind walrus]

Honestly yeah, I just dunno how good the airflow in their case would be

[modern walrus]

wait jk 1.5 you right

I don't think I've run under 1.55 since I got my G.Skills tho so who knows

[kind walrus]

Yeah but A die runs fairly cool so you're probably right about 1.65 tbh

Yeah pretty much

But if it was like, static air in a sandwich itx for example is why I'm saying a bit lower

[steady lance]

You guys think this is likely A-Die? It claims to be but not sure if it's true.
https://www.amazon.cn/dp/B0C461BNRG/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3H6PEEUQGL86R&keywords=DDR5%2B2x32%2B7000&qid=1685473344&sprefix=ddr5%2B2x32%2B7000%2Caps%2C367&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1

DDR5 7200MHz 34-42-42-84

[kind walrus]

I'd be surprised if that's A die cos afaik only 24gbit M exists rn from hynix

[zenith palm]

Can M die do 7200 reliably for xmp? Thought that was only A die

[kind walrus]

24gbit yes

It's different to 16gbit

But it's labelled as M

[zenith palm]

ahh

[steady lance]

Hynix M and A die are about the same right?

[kind walrus]

Yes and no

24gbit is very different

[undone flame]

It's hynix A?

[kind walrus]

Nothing else does that xmp, also it's g.skill, and high xmp g.skill

If it's anything else it'd go viral in a reddit post lmao

[undone flame]

Okay I didn't know lmao. So it's safe for 1.55V?

It's rated for 7200 but I crash and get errors so I'm going to bump up the voltage

[kind walrus]

Yeah it's safe, just have at least some decent airflow for it

[undone flame]

It's either that or my mobo is poop

Asus z790-a wifi

[kind walrus]

Bump up your vddq/vdd2 as well

[undone flame]

Suggestions?

[kind walrus]

1.33?

For both

It depends on chip honestly

[proven canopy]

odd combo

[undone flame]

Imma get back to you when I get home I'll let you know. I just want it to run at rated speeds

[proven canopy]

Start with auto, go from there

[kind walrus]

That's what worked on both of mine

Not a universal number tho no way

[proven canopy]

cpu cddq? e.g. ivr transmitter?

[undone flame]

I'll update in an hour or two yall look out for me

[kind walrus]

I think so??

And vdd2

[proven canopy]

vddq without context implies pmic vddq

[kind walrus]

Ah yeah no

Not that one

[proven canopy]

On asus, I'd let everything auto, see how things play out, go from there

[kind walrus]

Honestly yeah that^^

[proven canopy]

8kc32 was bench stable on a 13900ks z790 hero with 1.44 bios set vdd2

[modern walrus]

true. I've always watercooled too

[modern walrus]

I run mdie at 7000. It'll do 7200 but I'd lose 1T & I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of finding the right voltages for daily

[undone flame]

Whats the temp I should be worried about,

[modern walrus]

higher needs manual reduction in CPU VDDQ

[undone flame]

@proven canopy @kind walrus

[modern walrus]

on DDR4 bdie would start to go wild around 40C to give you a ballpark idea but I'm not sure on specifics for A-die

[undone flame]

I'm heading home rn about to up the voltage what are the max Temps for hynix a

I'm sure I could find documentation myb I'll check back in a bit

[modern walrus]

unless you're really pushing tCL low, I find more VDD2 (or IMC voltage--depends on motherboard what it's called) is more helpful for higher frequencies than higher VDD/VDDQ

but ymmv

[zenith palm]

Right but xmp has to be a lot looser

[kind walrus]

A die is pretty lethargic

I wouldn't be able to give you a specific number but lower is *almost always better

[undone flame]

Real but like 80c?

Under max load

[kind walrus]

I guess I'd maybe worry?

It also depends if a gpu is dumping heat onto it

That can skew the answer in two directions

Wow I really wrote sku instead of skew

I DID IT TWICE

LMAO

[undone flame]

Got you lmao

My pcs pretty cool my 13900k peaks 80c same for gpu

[kind walrus]

Stability testing would show what kit will be happy at

Memtestpro/hci seems to be pretty good for ddr5 from what I've seen

[modern walrus]

I'm surprised there are 7200 XMP mdie kits tbh

[modern walrus]

heck a manufacturer's warranty lol

[kind walrus]

Dang

Lads got the gusto

[modern walrus]

hopefully goes better than the 11600K I broke like two days ago

[kind walrus]

Those exist?

[modern walrus]

do they?

lol

[kind walrus]

Yeah I saw that, lol

[modern walrus]

maybe I should do a practice run on G7400

[kind walrus]

If m die kits exist at 7200 I'm pretty sure none of them are g.skill

[zenith palm]

Das wack

[modern walrus]

oh I thought you were saying they existed lol

[kind walrus]

I've yet to see it. And to be clear we're talking 16gbit ofc

[zenith palm]

No I'm saying it might be able to do 7000mhz but having it on xmp wouldn't be possible because xmp needs to be looser

[modern walrus]

ah makes sense

[undone flame]

okay i got it stable

ik i need to stress test over night whatever whatever but passed 11 minutes prime95 large fft

[dull ginkgo]

keep in mind largeffts hits imc hard but doesn't hit ram itself that hard

[undone flame]

memtest is solid right?

i just hate using it because i gotta open a ton

[zenith palm]

what are you testing?

[undone flame]

my ram

stability

[zenith palm]

like are you testing frequency or timings?

[undone flame]

its rated for 7200 but struggles to manage that so i had to turn up the voltage

[zenith palm]

so your testing frequency?

[undone flame]

ig yes

[zenith palm]

ive been told that y cruncher calculate pi, with the largest one that can fit in your ram capacity, and then the 2nd option (1) with the following is best for that
VST, N32, N64, C17

[proven canopy]

https://www.twitch.tv/elmorlabs gskill world OC championship

[mental turret]

i heard that seby guy is pretty cool

[ancient bridge]

Frfr

[steady lance]

Just got back. What's the major difference with 24gbit m dies?

[sudden torrent]

It's easier to run than 32Gb so it clocks higher while still offering up to 96GB on 4 ranks

48GB with 2x24GB is very nice for people that want to future proof for gaming or need a little more than 32GB but not as much as 64GB.

I've seen 2x24GB rated at 8000 MT/s

[steady lance]

Gotcha. Does a 48GB 7200 cl34 ram kit overclock/tighten cas pretty well?

[sudden torrent]

CAS is almost useless on DDR5 but yes

Example, this one is sold out for a reason https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qqHqqs/teamgroup-t-create-expert-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-7200-cl34-memory-ctced548g7200hc34adc01

[steady lance]

Plan to go AMD once I have $4500 saved up for a dream build so tight timings is more important to me.

[sudden torrent]

AMD doesn't like the 24Gb ICs yet

[steady lance]

Oh really? Hopefully that changes around 8000 series since I should have it saved up by then.

[sudden torrent]

Next gen should be good yeah. By then we'll probably see 10,000 c40 kits or something insane like that.

[steady lance]

https://www.amazon.cn/gp/aw/d/B0C461BNRG/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A2EDK7H33M5FFG&psc=1

This kit is confusing as it claims to be A-Die but according to Felix there are no 24GB A-Die kits yet as far as he's aware.

[sudden torrent]

Never trust an Amazon listing to give accurate info

[steady lance]

Will probably change the kit when that happens. I like keeping an eye on prices and gaging how they fluctuate.

[sudden torrent]

It's often copy/pasted info from other listings

[steady lance]

Noted.

I wonder how Intel will compete against 8000 series.

[sudden torrent]

I was mildly confused for a minute. I thought for a second GPUs had come in to play lol. Stupid naming from AMD, they better change next gen.

[steady lance]

xD.

[proven canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAMB8o_ahBI

[hot parrot]

I have heatsinks with heat pipes and fins and 20w/mk pads on mine with 2x 100mm delta fans lol

Just unfortunately on Ryzen for now ;-;

Plus I have a kinda Garbo bin 7700x

Replacing it soon cause it has a core that I think has a broken or malfunctioning probe

[proven canopy]

G.Skill final live stream at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO9ZdXZQ_2E

[ancient bridge]

WOOOO

Not that we're suprised lmaoo

[proven canopy]

Learn OC so you can win 10k like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662370272296566804/1114095408457723994/350937218_245173041471100_796325933414643595_n.png

[mental turret]

pin worthy

[kind walrus]

🏆

[sudden torrent]

You know what

[sudden torrent]

I agree

[proven canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776524417316290571/1114163541180690532/wideseby.mp4 lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776524417316290571/1114148669969682512/image.png

[mental turret]

"Eureka!"

[ancient bridge]

Lmfaooo

[proven canopy]

For anyone interested in competing next year, even last place paid enough to nearly cover the trip. Get benching 🙂

[mental turret]

I'll freeload off your hardware so I can compete

🤓

[proven canopy]

Do it

[hot parrot]

I wish gskill made like consumer grade xoc ram

Like a die ram with good copper heatsinks and some pipes and fins over the dies

Cause they seem to have a lot of marketing into the oc space

Would be cool for their sales and I guess thermal engineering team to embrace it in design

Also ngl

Super based

Congrats

[proven canopy]

The stock heatsinsk are perfectly fine on a-die

[finite frigate]

get to boverclocking

[hot parrot]

Did this to mine lol

Dual 100mm delta fan mounted to some thermaltake spirit rs

Stupid overkill for fun

[finite frigate]

sometimes if im feeling warm ill put a clc140 on my gpu backplate to cool my ram

[hot parrot]

Based

[signal belfry]

i kinda made a stress test on accident while learning to code for the first time

By chance does anyone know any good projects in python for a complete beginner?

[proven canopy]

Pick one that's interesting to you, related to hobbies. It's like picking a workout routine, the one that actually gets you to the gym will be best.

[steady lance]

What I did for ram and vrms, overkill on a whole new level.

Dual 180mm fans.

[eternal relic]

noobs, i daily 3x 120mm 6500rpm 38mm thick deltas for no reason at all

[night grail]

lol, thats cute i cool my PC off by gently blowing on the heatsink like its a hot bowl of soup

https://valid.x86.fr/1n9010

[finite frigate]

i dailied that on a gpu

only 2 though

that rx 570 was very cool

[night grail]

hot bowl of soup method cant be beat

[finite frigate]

2x150cfm deltas at a constant max speed

[finite frigate]

speed

[night grail]

my bowl of soup

[finite frigate]

1070 katana is a million percent more cool

[night grail]

its one of my uncommon GPUs

[finite frigate]

katana is probably my favorite obscure gpus

[night grail]

my favorite in my collection is my 7970 SOC

[finite frigate]

is that the 5 fan one

top down cooling

[night grail]

yeah only 200 were made

[finite frigate]

i bet it it was loud

280x/7970s werent cool in the first place 💀

[night grail]

680 SOC and 7970 SOC

[finite frigate]

"gaming essence"

[night grail]

i just got a 7950 Monica

it is the GPU used by game devs to make xbox one games

[finite frigate]

wasnt the gpu in the xbox one weaker tho

closer to a 270 or something not a 280

(r9)

[night grail]

no it has custom BIOSs that cut the cores down to match the retail xbox one

[finite frigate]

ahh

[finite frigate]

actually pretty sick

[finite frigate]

looks like a reference gpu

[finite frigate]

i have a reference 290x that i use for parts but thats about it for amd reference that i still own

[night grail]

its based on the HD 7950, but it uses 7970 PCB and is named only monica, they were only sent to game devs

[finite frigate]

can you flash to a normal 7950? or nah

[night grail]

could but im not flashing over the BIOSs

[finite frigate]

fair

[night grail]

its what makes it special really

[finite frigate]

i figure you can flash the monica bios onto reference 7950s too

[night grail]

probably

it has 2 modes

[finite frigate]

yea

[night grail]

mode 1 has extra cores and is for unoptimized games in development and mode 2 is retail matching mode

[finite frigate]

you want another monica?

[night grail]

no,

[finite frigate]

💀

theres 2 up on ebay for 70$

[night grail]

dont need to spend $70 again

(im one of the purchases already)

[finite frigate]

oh lmao

[finite frigate]

i figure its by a switch and nothing software based

[night grail]

BIOS switch

[finite frigate]

yea

[night grail]

2 custom bios's are loaded

also have this pain

[finite frigate]

a 780ti lightning would be pretty cool

[finite frigate]

what a wonderful cooling solution

[night grail]

unreleased GPU

it has 2x navi 12 cores on it

basically its 2x 5700xt GPUs on one PCB but it uses HBM memory

[finite frigate]

yeah

8 gigs

[night grail]

yeah total of 16gb

[finite frigate]

wonder if it'd work on macos as a pro duo ultra mega gamer ulta amd graphics accelerator

[night grail]

ive forced drivers just cant get it to work

[night grail]

no

its been tried

[finite frigate]

interesting

[night grail]

myself and some other guys are working on getting them to work

[finite frigate]

and surprising, tbh lol

[night grail]

only one method works reliably atm in linux

[finite frigate]

interesting, i'd figure it'd work on macos but guess not

[night grail]

ive forced 5600m drivers onto it which is the same core as the 16" macbook pro 2019

gets recognized but cant be used

[finite frigate]

yeah

interesting and kinda unfortunate

[night grail]

i also have a working gtx 460 2win

[finite frigate]

those are cool, reminds me of the phantom line from gainward

[night grail]

thats rare cause most of them died

[finite frigate]

just more explosive

[finite frigate]

yeah 💀

i imagine the plx chip was what went first

why did evga use 3 different fan headers lmao 💀

[night grail]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h_PlycojWryu6-QcoMkkVar1rgvinRCVKhoSb6iVB-c/edit?usp=sharing

[night grail]

it uses 3 fans

[finite frigate]

yeah but why not daisy chain and only have 1 header

[night grail]

my collection

[finite frigate]

this is a cool one

kinda stupid but cool

[night grail]

yeah

[finite frigate]

something tells me this is 1 of 1

just a feeling

[finite frigate]

lmao i love it

have you used the k1 for anything?

[night grail]

yeah

[finite frigate]

i dont imagine its fast

[finite frigate]

whole minute aster

[night grail]

i almost beat skul by a minute lol

stock vs OC though

[finite frigate]

yea

the 400mhz on core has to help lol

[night grail]

the little cores OC almost 50% with stock voltage on all cores

[finite frigate]

isnt it just like 4 gt 610s on 1 board or something

[night grail]

yeah

GT640

[finite frigate]

16 whole gigabytes of pure ddr3 speed

(4x4)

[night grail]

yeah the cooling setup was same as the V540

[finite frigate]

a duct taped fan 💀

its so stpuid i love it

[night grail]

well its a server card that relied on server fans for airflow

[finite frigate]

yeah

[night grail]

its been ages since ive taken a collection picture

but im waiting till i have 100 GPUs

[finite frigate]

ive got like 4

[night grail]

and im in a deal with a good friend to get a 3090 strix for $500

and since i have 99 atm that will put me perfect

he thought his 3090 strix died and replaced it and afterwards learned it may be good

[finite frigate]

290x, 760, 660, 660ti, gtx 645, gtx 745, 2070 super, and my trusty gt 710

[night grail]

so he said if i make him break even on replacement cost he will give me it

[finite frigate]

ah nice

[hot parrot]

Anyone have experience with clock doubling on 6950xt?

And if so about how much voltage do you need to add to get bast that barrier on scores

Trying to take top single card slot on timespy for 6950 but scoring about 2k or more under what I should with my clocks

[eternal relic]

we're all 200 shipped to australia or smth

i see 1 on fbmp here every 2 months

there's like 3 nearby me right now lmao

[night grail]

china got most

when you see a 7970 SOC let spicer know

680 soc arent rare

[eternal relic]

lilene and i have shipped over 1 or 2 680 socs

and 1 7970 soc

the 680 didnt wana work at 3.0 with my x299 rig annoyingly, got very bad subs in

[night grail]

well 680 SOCs arent rare

and i got that 7970 SOC

@eternal relic

[eternal relic]

yeah i remember

[steady lance]

what are SOC's I forgot

[barren ridge]

In this context it just means a lineup of gpus from gigabyte

Stands for super overclocked

Used to be their top end lineup

[steady lance]

So XOCs are Extreme Overclocked then?

[barren ridge]

Uh, there's no gpus that's named like that yet so no

[steady lance]

oh then what are the XOCs then?

[barren ridge]

You're thinking this a bit too hard there lol

[steady lance]

yeah I get that a lot about really anything.

[short blade]

XOC is a general term used to abbreviate extreme overclocking

it has no real relation to SOC in this context, which is a marketing name

you may be confused because SoC is a general term abbreviating "system on a chip" and it's very common to see it referred to when OCing ryzen cpus, etc.

[hot parrot]

@proven canopy any advice on getting timespy score up on 6950

[proven canopy]

morepowertool + overdriven

[hot parrot]

I can get insane scores on firestrike but my timespy score seems pretty meh

And for some reason even with power limits disabled on new windows version it seems to power limit me over 1300mv

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[hot parrot]

Okay

Issue randomly fixed itself

I can't say how

Or why

Just randomly did

After a day of trying to fix it

Not cause something I did

Just cause GPU decided it likes voltage again

[steady lance]

What's considered a good and average overclock on a RTX 3070?

[sudden torrent]

https://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_rtx_3070/

[steady lance]

is the left side of the divider the average and the right size the best?

2047/2741MHZ

[sudden torrent]

Core and memory clocks

[steady lance]

Oh, so the left side is core and the right side is memory?

[sudden torrent]

Yep

[steady lance]

gotcha.

[short blade]

i think i'm gonna give up here

close enough

can't wait for it to be unstable tomorrow

my spreadsheet made it to 192 rows 💀

never mind

not stable LOL

[finite frigate]

these timings get worse as i see them more 💀

15 rdwr's :(

[short blade]

well, I gave up on pushing down tCWL or tWR any further

[finite frigate]

just run 4k

[short blade]

4k isn't any better lol

[finite frigate]

buy not 3200 c14 rated bdie

[short blade]

idk why downclocking is touted as a magical solution

[short blade]

I didn't buy it

[finite frigate]

i know

[steady lance]

How many volts?

I am curious.

[short blade]

on what

[steady lance]

DRAM.

[short blade]

1.600

here's how it's going so far

[short blade]

welp