overclocking

[mental turret]

good reason for you to get into LN2 🤓

[sudden torrent]

MFer got 5.4GHz on a low binned Zen+

That's all the 2700 was, a low bin 2700X

[steady lance]

Just me or does 14.2k points seem rather low for LN2 OC?

[sudden torrent]

Considering it's a Zen+ 8 core and the best I got with a 420mm AIO was 11k at 4.2GHz? That's normal

Early Ryzen wasn't great

[steady lance]

Ahh fair.

[mental turret]

ivybridge >

[steady lance]

Which gen is that?

[mental turret]

intel core™️ 3rd gen 🤓

ivybridge-e >

[sudden torrent]

What's your 1680 get in r23?

[steady lance]

Oh btw so far I got my CPU stable with

-30
-30
-30
-26
-23
-30
-30
-30
Offsets.

Gonna see if I can can get core core 4 stable at -24 next and core 3 at -27.

[mental turret]

i never run r23, kinda pointless

ive probably done r20 though, lemme check

[mental turret]

hmm well this was on dry ice, lemme check the old spreadsheet for ambient scores
https://hwbot.org/submission/5062961_farawaythrower_cinebench___r20_xeon_e5_1680_v2_3953_cb/

[sudden torrent]

My 2700 scored higher on water

https://hwbot.org/submission/4933247_falcie_cinebench___r20_ryzen_7_2700_4307_cb

[mental turret]

zayum

[mental turret]

oh yea, r20 uses avx2 which ivy-e does not have lol

better comparison would be r15

OH YEA? ILL JUST BRING OUT MY HASWELL-E CHIP

[sudden torrent]

I got 1932 in r15 but I didn't put a lot of effort into that one

[mental turret]

2040 at 5.55GHz

bam, easy, zen+ garbo

[sudden torrent]

It's easy when you're comparing to 4225

On water lol

Here's what LN2 gets you https://hwbot.org/submission/5074201_jedi95_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_2700_2473_cb/

[mental turret]

pff cheater, he's using ln2

pfft.

[eternal relic]

i feel like software power readings are never accurate

pmd stay winning

[sudden torrent]

Did the league rankings just get calculated? I got a ton of achievements a few days ago lol

[steady lance]

MSI X670E Tomahawk vs Asus Tuf X670E which board is better for Overclocking?

[sudden torrent]

Neither are much better than cheaper boards would be

[steady lance]

The Tomahawk board is about $20 cheaper.

[sudden torrent]

If you want a real OC board you need to shell out $800

[steady lance]

..............

[sudden torrent]

Otherwise a B650E at $150-200 or so would be plenty

[steady lance]

Is there much OC ability difference between say the Aorus Master/Strix E-E over the ones I asked about?

$500 is about the most I am willing to shell out on a Mobo that will probably be considered obsolete spec wise in 3 generations.

[sudden torrent]

As long as the board has good VRMs then no, there's really no major difference

[steady lance]

What's considered good?

Is 14+2+1 good?

[sudden torrent]

More than plenty

Especially if those are 100A stages

[steady lance]

Lemme check.

[sudden torrent]

Even if they're 50A stages it's fine

You won't be putting 700W through the CPU after all

[steady lance]

How many watts is 1amp?

[sudden torrent]

Amps are part of Watts

W = V * A

[steady lance]

V is volts?

[sudden torrent]

yes

[steady lance]

This is all I can find on it.

14+2+1 DUET RAIL POWER SYSTEM

[sudden torrent]

If you want a more accurate number then assume the CPU is running at 1.4v (near dangerous high levels),
50A stages * 14 = 700A
700A * 1.4v = 980W
Stages are most efficient around 60% load so 980W * 0.6 = 588W ideal maximum

[steady lance]

It's the MSI Tomahawk board. On the Tuf board it has 14+2 VRMs @70A.

The Tuf board has a 823W ideal maximum.

[sudden torrent]

A 7950X will top out a little over 200W stock, if you push it hard maybe 300W

[steady lance]

Besides the CPU does anything else use the VRMs?

[sudden torrent]

Yes that's why there's 3 sets of numbers, 14 stages for the CPU, 2 for the iGPU, and 1 for the memory for example

[steady lance]

Ahh, so the Tomahawk board would be better then so I have a VRM for the IMC?

[sudden torrent]

No if it only has 2 sets of VRM then it's either omitted from the page or the board doesn't have onboard graphics

[steady lance]

Onboard graphics?

[sudden torrent]

Integrated into the CPU

All Ryzen 7000 chips have an iGPU

But not all boards have the HDMI/DP ports

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

Both boards have the ports so they both have onboard graphics.

[sudden torrent]

Then they just left it out of the spec on the page and you can assume 1 stage for the iGPU, which is fine

Even if you game on it it won't max that single stage

[steady lance]

So both board have basically the same OC capability then?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah pretty much

[steady lance]

The Tomahawk board has a higher maximum rated memory OC, does that mean it has a better IMC controller?

[sudden torrent]

For AMD boards the memory OC rating doesn't matter since if you go above 6000 you need to manually tune, and at 6400 you're lucky to get it to run at all, while still being fclk synced.

IMC is located on the DDR5 itself

[steady lance]

Oh okay.

Anything else I should consider between the two boards for OC?

[sudden torrent]

If one has a quality of life feature the other doesn't like a debug LED that could be a factor

[steady lance]

Is Q-LED Asus's debug led?

[sudden torrent]

No that's just a basic set of 4 lights, not an actual code readout

[steady lance]

Seems the Tuf board doesn't have it then.

The Tomahawk board does.

The Tomahawk has "4x EZ Debug LED".

[sudden torrent]

Nope that's the same thing, just 4 lights

This is what you'd be looking for

Mostly only high end boards have it now unfortunately

[steady lance]

Oh neither has it then it seems. What does it do? Say a code that gives the exact reason for a crash?

[sudden torrent]

If it fails to POST or takes a long time, you can look at that code to find out why

It's nice on AMD because it might take a while to train the memory, so you'll get a memory training code and know not to reboot

[steady lance]

Ahhh, do you know any boards with that feature within $400?

[sudden torrent]

Nope

It's not a crucial feature and you can always use an add in card for it if you really wanted, just a nice to have

[steady lance]

Noted.

Gonna go with the Tuf board then most likely.

[mental turret]

wow this just got recommended to me lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcta3RStYSM&ab_channel=JayzTwoCents

so old

[zenith palm]

Jays

[finite frigate]

not bad at all

[zenith palm]

Why are you using ts for a k cpu?

[finite frigate]

XTU sucks and bios sucks for many little adjustments

[zenith palm]

Ah rip, what board?

[finite frigate]

z590 pro ax

i just dont wanna keep resetting when i think my power draw is too high

[zenith palm]

Fair enough

[finite frigate]

11th has really bad auto cache voltages too, and thats not a setting in bios for whatever reason

[zenith palm]

That's weird

[sudden torrent]

Well yeah you're always talking about overclocking Ivy Bridge, I'm sure Google has been listening.

[mental turret]

Yup

3770k will be fun to OC

Plenty of competition

Gonna put my gdie to work 💪💪💪

[wheat lintel]

Welp rip, this 10700k can’t do 5.2 GHz all core under 1.45

Well not without thermal throttling

[mental turret]

Ice bucket time

[wheat lintel]

Bruh I can’t get through the time spy CPU test at 5.1 all core anymore

I was able to last night

Wtf

Nvm I set my voltage too low

[wheat lintel]

How am I increasing clocks on my 6950xt and it’s stable, yet my time spy scores are going down?

[sudden torrent]

Error correction

[wheat lintel]

6950xt has error correction?

[sudden torrent]

GDDR6 does, on die ECC

[wheat lintel]

I thought that was a GDDR6X thing?

[sudden torrent]

It might be let me double check

[wheat lintel]

I know for a fact it was on my 3080 12gb

But it wasn’t on my 6800xt

[sudden torrent]

Yeah even GDDR5 had on die ECC so 6 does too

[wheat lintel]

Ahh ok

[sudden torrent]

Micron Specs https://www.micron.com/-/media/client/global/documents/products/technical-note/dram/tned03_gddr6.pdf

[wheat lintel]

Guess I just had some good ram in my 6800xt then

[sudden torrent]

It's not super uncommon for G6 to be able to max out the afterburner slider at +1500

[wheat lintel]

I’m using the Radeon software

[wheat lintel]

Could someone talk me through using MPT?

Can’t find a decent guide on it online

[proven canopy]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/the-great-uv-guide-undervolting-and-saving-with-big-navi-and-the-morepower-tool-practice/

[wheat lintel]

Gave up on it, my 6950xt is a complete potato

Can’t even get above 2.8GHz

And that was with a higher PL

[wind prairie]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/92918774?#
https://hwbot.org/submission/5255041

3105mhz at 1.1v yeah baby

whos dreadzone

[mental turret]

posting on hwbot >

[mental turret]

[ancient bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/breakdown-stressed-spongebob-nervous-meltdown-gif-20600009

[steady lance]

After tuning for about a week here's what I got stable on my R7-5700G.

Override: +200
Offset: -30, -30, -30, -27, -23, -30, -30, -30

[steady lance]

What's the name of the power limit setting for AMD CPUs in Gigabyte bios?

[finite frigate]

@sudden torrent im coming after your 5800x ycruncher score

😒

[cold jolt]

hes coming??

[sudden torrent]

Do it bro it'll give me a reason to actually try

[finite frigate]

see you soon goober

[eternal relic]

this is an invalid hwbot sub btw

example of a valid sub

(needs the screenshot)

[steady lance]

What die overclocks the best for DDR5?

[kind walrus]

hynix

depending on the scenario, A or M hynix

samsung and micron rn are just trash

[steady lance]

I am most likely going AMD for the extended Mobo lifespan if it makes a difference

[kind walrus]

oh either way it's Hynix

Zen 4 likes M die for daily a bit more

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[kind walrus]

but both are great

[steady lance]

What do you mean by scenarios?

I am looking into 2x32gb kits for workstation use such as blender.

[kind walrus]

XOC, daily, future platform etc

[steady lance]

What does XOC mean? Sorry I am still rather new to OC in general.

Extreme Overclocking?

[kind walrus]

ye

[kind walrus]

I'd still recommend hynix\

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

Do you know if this uses hynix?

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B0BPHSVVS5/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?smid=A1G99GVHAT2WD8&psc=1

[kind walrus]

ye that looks good, if it's a reasonable price

6400 xmp is a bit too high for amd tho rn

[steady lance]

Best bang for the buck I can find in 6-6.4 range.

I want to get deeper into the OC scene so I was wondering if it used a good die for OC.

[steady lance]

Also, when in Mexico tech prices are never reasonable unfortunately it seems.

[wind prairie]

Ok

[wind prairie]

Will do today

[scenic vine]

Should be a-die

[wind prairie]

Wait can i use hwinfo summary + sensors

[eternal relic]

No.

https://hwbot.org/rules?referenceId=5277

specific rules

[wind prairie]

Got it

[steady lance]

Which ram kit is better, keeping in mind the die as I'd like to be able to OC the kit a fair bit.

https://www.amazon.cn/dp/B0C1TL9CT9/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?crid=HDGBGALH574J&keywords=DDR5+64GB+6400&qid=1681934831&sprefix=ddr5+64gb+6400%2Caps%2C401&sr=8-5

https://www.amazon.cn/dp/B0BPHSVVS5/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=HDGBGALH574J&keywords=DDR5+64GB+6400&qid=1681935119&sprefix=ddr5+64gb+6400%2Caps%2C401&sr=8-1

[sudden torrent]

2x32GB kits aren't rated to run at 6400 on AM5

The G.skill is probably Hynix M, good overclocker

The Team is also Hynix but I can't tell if M or A, someone else probably could

[steady lance]

What's the difference between Hynix M and A?

[sudden torrent]

A can do much higher speeds and is easier on the memory controller

It's fairly rare though compared to M

[steady lance]

So A would be the preferred die if my goal is OC.

[sudden torrent]

None of which really matters on AMD since there's no boards with 64GB validated at 6400 anyway

[steady lance]

I will probably need to down clock to like 6000 or 6200 correct?

At least until the 8950x comes out.

[sudden torrent]

Yes which defeats the purpose of A die

And it's entirely possible that it's a board limit, not a CPU one

[steady lance]

Oh.

Well that's an oof.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah looks like the MSI X670E Godlike is only even rated up to 6600, maybe 6666

[steady lance]

Isn't that the 1400 USD board?!....

[sudden torrent]

A die starts to make sense past 7200

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[steady lance]

I suppose the A die is still good to have for when I upgrade to a new board in the future though.

[sudden torrent]

Fair enough, it's still hard to find without buying those super high speed kits though

[steady lance]

Assuming the Team Expert kit actually uses it.

[sudden torrent]

It's probably not tbh

34-44-44 is a fairly low bin

The G.skill 32-39-39 is better binned

[steady lance]

The G.Skill one is a bit cheaper as well.

Oh wait, doesn't G.skill have a system for checking the die they use?

[sudden torrent]

Yes but you have to have the stick in hand to read the label

[steady lance]

Oh so it's not the model number?

[sudden torrent]

Nope, the same model can use any die that can possibly match the timings

Which is why DDR4 3200 can be literally anything

I've even seen B-die on 3200c16 kits

[steady lance]

Oh seriously?

[sudden torrent]

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/11ouqa6/corsair_vengeance_rgb_3200_cl_16_is_samsung_bdie/

Corsair has a version number on their label, 4.31 is probably B-die

[short blade]

version codes are often wrong

I had a ver4.31 that wasn’t even samsung

it was micron rev. e lmao

[steady lance]

👀

[proven canopy]

I'd just try run 1.4v 3200 flat 14's and see if it even boots

[short blade]

I’d rather just test with trfc

c-die doesn’t like 1.4v

should be fine for just trying to boot once but trying to boot 200ns trfc accomplishes the same thing

[scenic vine]

It could also be cursed b-die

I have a 4.31 kit that is legit b-die (delidded and checked ic codes) and it suuuucks

Can't handle frequency (3200 16-18 xmp), can't handle tight trfc or tRCD

It's somewhat voltage tolerant so that's nice

[kind walrus]

3200 corsair indeed be the lottery bin of literally anything

[steady lance]

Ooof just realized this kit is gonna take 20 days to deliver.
https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B08TR1BQM3/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=A31COKI28EKGD2&psc=1

[steady lance]

Alright I ordered the ram, an ARGB fan hub, and some ARGB light strips.

[ancient bridge]

Baller

[short blade]

this is the best result I’m gonna get out of my b-die at 4000, probably gonna take a break for a while before I try to see if I can get 4100 stable

[wind prairie]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/93029596?#
https://hwbot.org/submission/5256470

@alpine mantle

@rancid seal

[alpine mantle]

Sheesh

Maybe the cpu score is holding you back a bit

Have you reached the GPUs limits?

[rancid seal]

Feels like such a waste to overclock them.

[alpine mantle]

Explain

[rancid seal]

You can either make the cards draw 320w and get marginally better performance than stock

or you can undervolt them to pull 160w at most and have 95-105% of stock perf

[alpine mantle]

Sounds like my gpu situation ong

[rancid seal]

doesn’t feel very useful for daily

[alpine mantle]

I kept mines undervolted

Also 160w 4070ti is 😳

[wind prairie]

Yeah i just wanna see how far i can push funny numbers

[wind prairie]

Thats it yeah i might try and do 5.6p 4.3e again but big eh

[alpine mantle]

Just do it for a one time bench, hope its stable enough for the run

[wind prairie]

Yeah

[finite frigate]

get a better board bozo

[short blade]

not board's fault

IMC's fault

[wheat lintel]

Get a better IMC bozo

[short blade]

😦 I'm poor

[finite frigate]

dont be poor idiot

such a goober

[steady lance]

Does running two different kits cause the ram to default to the slower kit's speed?

Wanted to double check.

[mental turret]

Yup

[steady lance]

R.I.P well that ruins my plan.

I was considering using the G.Skill and Oloy ram sticks at the same time if not for that being the case.

Would it be a good idea to consider a fan for my ram to keep it cool?

[kind walrus]

Depends on how much voltage and what type of ram it is

[faint tangle]

If you're just running it at xmp, no

[steady lance]

DDR4 and I am getting the G.Skill Ripjaws 4000cl18 which I think Falcie said is most likely Hynix B die. I plan to throw as much voltage as I can at the ram within safe limits to maximize performance.

[kind walrus]

Hynix B?

Eh

[steady lance]

I think it was B I might be misremembering.

This is the kit.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B08TR1BQM3?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image

I may be misremembering what Falcie said the die was.

@kind walrus

[kind walrus]

Those are Hynix

Idk about any B kit, Hynix operates with like, DJR, CJR and I think MFR(???) for current DDR4

[steady lance]

As said I may've misremembered the name of the Hynix IC.

[short blade]

Hynix BFR

I have a kit of it

unfortunately I don't think it can run 4000c18

nor does it come in 16GB/DIMM density

[kind walrus]

Yeah I'm sure there was a B die but I don't know well enough of it

[short blade]

(it's DDR3)

[kind walrus]

Could also be jjr? There's a few possibilities for 4000 C18

I'm not brushed up on ddr4 die knowledge at all tho

[short blade]

can't even look at the kit on my phone

[kind walrus]

Ah cos you have Amazon app

Copy the link off discord then paste into chrome/edge

/firefox/ie/yahoo

[mental turret]

HYNIX 4GBIT BFR

[short blade]

yes

[kind walrus]

U alrite?

[short blade]

I'm not sure if it can do 32gb 4000c18, what do you think?

[kind walrus]

I think nothing

Idk bfr

[mental turret]

Of course it can

Ddr3 is magic

Arcane voodoo sorcery

[short blade]

you're right

[mental turret]

Pop quiz: is this good ddr3

[kind walrus]

No

Trick question - no DDR3 is good

Almost had me there

[mental turret]

[signal belfry]

Cool looking fossil you got there

[short blade]

lol i have to restart my ram oc

i am now learning that TM5 is apparently fully useless on this platform

since i've tossed out most of my timings and it's still unstable in HCI

[scenic vine]

Ddr5?

Karhu and yc are the current meta

[short blade]

ddr4

[zenith palm]

Tm5 doesn't work well on 13th gen? Sadge

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/the-division2-hunter-hunter-division2-the-division-goes-hard-gif-26006832

[short blade]

yeah, i'll figure out exactly which timings passed TM5 that weren't stable

[restive sequoia]

with a very dirty oc

[kind walrus]

That's kinda low

3080 Ti's are capable of a good near 10% more

[restive sequoia]

This time locking the clocks down and fan at 100%

Dk why the cpu score went down

[sudden torrent]

Normal time spy variation for the CPU, something probably started in the background

[ancient bridge]

Oh he bought a 3080ti...

[sterile ridge]

what the heeeellll

[ancient bridge]

How long till "Safi 10400f/4080"

[restive sequoia]

Long

Poor now

[ancient bridge]

UPGRADE YOUR CPUUU FIRST 😭

[steady lance]

Upgrade 7800X3D!

Or at least an 11700K!

[restive sequoia]

I am on that rn

7600x incoming

[short blade]

next week

Safi NASA/Supercomputer

[kind walrus]

Next week, Safi PSU exploded

[mental turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Cl44jhFuw&ab_channel=der8auerEN

[tall pelican]

afaik those black ops cpus run "stock" in degradation territory

[mental turret]

his chip autos to 1.55V which is surprising, a lot of 4930ks/4960x's dont need more than 1.5V to run 4.6 all core stable

[tall pelican]

no, like that's normal for those cpus. LTT said they were mainly sold for stock trading, had reduced warranties and were meant to die off

would be like a 13900ks being sold at 6.5ghz and 1.5v

[mental turret]

LETS GOOOOOOO

[mental turret]

@short blade

[short blade]

3100 bin

[mental turret]

[finite frigate]

yeah but does it do that in a 4 dimm config

[mental turret]

These only came in 2 dimm kits

[mental turret]

I probably wouldn't put my trust in most ivy-e controllers to run quad channel 3100c12

Actually they probably could tbh.

[ancient bridge]

Practically ddr4

[sudden torrent]

Better than some DDR4 even

3000 c16 is still a pretty common DDR4 bin

[short blade]

only one way to find out

[rustic vigil]

can i use msi afterburn on non msi cards?

[mental turret]

I don't have 4 of these and none of my other mfr can do 3100 at c12

[short blade]

yes, but radeon software is usually better for ocing radeon cards

[short blade]

time to buy a matching kit

[mental turret]

Borderline impossible

It's super hard to even find 2933 bin mfr

[rustic vigil]

ah i see yea im gonna try overclocking later lol

[short blade]

time to bin your own

[sudden torrent]

Every time you type mfr I have to laugh, especially when the context works both ways like this

[mental turret]

That's from me binning my own...

[mental turret]

brb gonna make an emoji

[short blade]

time to bin harder

[mental turret]

[night grail]

... you comin for my 3500 cl14 ddr3 on z97?

it too was using MFR

[sudden torrent]

Careful he might bite if he gets excited

[sudden torrent]

Oh single channel

[sudden torrent]

Still very nice but only really good for frequency validation in single channel mode

[night grail]

this was done with a random 4690k

if i can bin an actually decent IMC i can do much better

these sticks have 3800-3900 cl14 on air in them

cause these are god bin sticks

[kind walrus]

I WANT A FISH

[sudden torrent]

Hmm
Those might mysteriously go missing

... wat

[night grail]

the fish or my dimms

[sudden torrent]

The fish

Felix why u so random

[night grail]

oh... its the gt 610 2gb variant

[sudden torrent]

Oh I see

[night grail]

theres much better fish models

[kind walrus]

I've always wanted one

[night grail]

like the gt 710 ones

[kind walrus]

💀

[night grail]

those have native hdmi, mine needs DVI to hdmi

also ive been procrastinating on painting mine

i want the cooler to be rakkasan red

[mental turret]

I was going to anyway. Going for top 10 eventually 🙂

[mental turret]

Funny you mention this. Check #intel-cpu in hwbot for something I just said

or ill copy and paste actually

"For some reason I could never (and still can't even with these 3100C12 xmp sticks) get LGA1150 to mem OC nearly as well as my ivy/ivy-e chips can. Even XMP on the 3100 dimms gets stuck on mem-training and never successfully POSTs on either of my LGA1150 boards and with different chips. Though my r4be and ivy-e chip has no problem running that 3100 XMP. I'm kinda at a loss atm"

I've never been able to properly mem-oc on haswell/dc for god knows why. Simply havent been able to get it to work.

[night grail]

soc ln2 makes a big difference

[mental turret]

It cant be so different than ivy-e/ivy right?

The thing is, even other dimms that have no problem doing even conservative OCs like 2666C9 on my R4BE simply cannot do that on any of my LGA1150 boards & chips

It's so bizarre

Like my S2D and S1G for example

Any ideas?

[night grail]

meme to sum up the z97 soc force ln2

it really does make a difference

[mental turret]

lol

[sudden torrent]

2 DIMM? Yeah that'll do it

[night grail]

have you ever seen the board in any detail?

[sudden torrent]

I haven't cared enough to before now tbh

[night grail]

the board has only 2 dimms and lacks any cooler mounting as the holes typically used for mounting coolers gets in the way of the traces, so you can only gravity mount coolers to these boards

the board is basically what happens when engineers are told to make the best ddr3 ocing board without compromise

[sudden torrent]

Oh all those buttons and dips

It's beautiful

[mental turret]

My college had a similar board

[night grail]

@sudden torrent

[sudden torrent]

Is that the Titan USB?

[night grail]

yeah the geforce gtx usb drive is my bench drive

[mental turret]

tbh I dont think you even need a 1dpc board to hit even 3800

[night grail]

these drives sell for a fortune these days

only 1080 were made and most were given away for free

[sudden torrent]

1080
I see what they did there

[night grail]

3500 is where your gonna see most boards absolutely top out

on air*

1DPC can get up to about 4000 on air with a binned cpu and ram

beyond that is sub ambient cooling

[short blade]

💀

oops

[finite frigate]

💀

idiot

[mental turret]

People have done 4000 on r4be actually lol

[night grail]

“Most”

[mental turret]

well yea thats why i said you dont need a 1dpc board to hit that given freq

[sudden torrent]

It sure doesn't hurt though

[ancient bridge]

What tf

[sudden torrent]

DDR3 gets crazy man

World record is 4620

[steady lance]

My ram just arrived alongside one the led strips I ordered!

[steady lance]

Hello, could someone help me out? I am trying to figure out what the voltage limit is on my ram kit, it has the Hynix DJR die.

[proven canopy]

Check the ddr4 guide in the pins

[steady lance]

The numbering system in there doesn't match my ram's numbering system.

[proven canopy]

Read the section on naming - djr = h8d

[eternal relic]

finally doing 3070 benchies

on air, clocking 2160-2175

[kind walrus]

[eternal relic]

many boints being made

beating everything but 13900k subs 😔

[humble jay]

Skill

[kind walrus]

Issue

[short blade]

I wish I had a good cpu back when I had my golden 3070

[eternal relic]

im on a 12900k

[humble jay]

is it undeadge

[eternal relic]

it was never deadge, idk why felix could run it tho

but at same time, i couldnt stabalise lilene's 13900k

i benched it 5.2p and 4.7e for 3dmark

i think 4.7e anyway

[ancient bridge]

AHHHH

[mental turret]

what

glad i didnt rip any ICs off 🤓

[ancient bridge]

Hynix

[mental turret]

what about it

[ancient bridge]

Nothing

[ancient bridge]

MFR

[mental turret]

well yea of course it's MFR, look at the bin

[ancient bridge]

Lmao

[mental turret]

[ancient bridge]

Much better pic

I tried upscalling but this happened...

[kind walrus]

I, this is useless

What are you doing

[mental turret]

4k mfr bro

[steady lance]

..... when a E core beats your P cores.....

[signal belfry]

Power consumption went down by a 100w after undervolting, i shouldve done it sooner lol

[sudden torrent]

100W? That's crazy! And I bet you didn't lose much if any performance too

[signal belfry]

I dont have an exact number but I think I lost around 5 percent of performance. My fps is still above 144 so I dont really care about t hat 5 percent

[sudden torrent]

5% is unnoticeable, nice

[signal belfry]

im going to undervolt my cpu on the weekend too, just so it can run a bit cooler and quieter

[sudden torrent]

I actually gained performance undervolting my CPU a bit, because it was able to do a higher boost thanks to the lower temps

[signal belfry]

amd?

[sudden torrent]

Yep 5800X

[signal belfry]

assumed cause of boost

im not too sure on how the newr e cores on intel work but ik undervolting on intel usally means lower clocks

and slightly slower cpu but not really noticeable in real world scerinos

[sterile ridge]

Under volt is the strat for AMD CPU

And gpu tbh

[mental turret]

@short blade apparently these were about 2000 USD back in 2013

[finite frigate]

for Z87 haswell only

[mental turret]

they work fine on x79

[night grail]

z87 back then was only real chipset that offered CPUs with good enough IMC to run them

until z97/x79 came around

[finite frigate]

i know lol

[mental turret]

x79 came out before z87

they probably just marketed it towards z87 because they didnt make quad channels kits or something

[short blade]

💀

do we have any xmp kits nowadays that are remotely close to that price

[finite frigate]

yes

[eternal relic]

the 8x16 128gb kit of 3600c14 royals used to be near it, not sure anymore

[eternal relic]

8x16 not really comparable tho

4x16 3200c14 for $2000

[finite frigate]

.... at least its bdie

😭

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4bPQzy/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5k

damn thats cheap

5600 c28

obviously a die

ddr5 is already at ddr4 prices

[short blade]

sorry i should have specified

any xmp kits of relatively similar capacity near that price

like 2x8 ddr4 or 2x16 ddr5

cause that's $2000 for just a 2x4gb kit...

[finite frigate]

oh no lol

its 211$ for ddr4-5333

[short blade]

i can't imagine paying $2000 for 8gb of ddr3 just to run it at crappy xmp and lose to someone's tuned ddr3-2400 lmao

[finite frigate]

💀

[short blade]

i mean hopefully at that price they ended up in the hands of overclockers

[finite frigate]

likely distributed to them for free lol

[short blade]

but i'm sure at least someone out there bought it to run at xmp

lmao

[finite frigate]

idk what dimms the d3 record is on

some hyper X predator stuff

hyperx predator 1866 rated stuff

just god bin

splave is 3rd overall for d3 freq

on the same stuff that far has

Avexir seems to have done a LOT of high speed ddr3 stuff

[mental turret]

It's all high bin 1R MFR

Same as what I got

[faint tangle]

I'll potato your high bin

[mental turret]

ill AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[mental turret]

@sudden torrent @short blade

[steady lance]

I am adjusting PPT and I was wondering if 100 is a safe amount?

R7-5700G on B550M DS3H v1.4

[sudden torrent]

Considering my PPT is set to 275W right now yes 100 is perfectly safe

And my TDC is 144A, EDC 192A, just some reference numbers for you.

You could technically just max them all out but there's a sweet spot, you have to test to find it.

[steady lance]

Gotcha. Also would it be mad if I increased the Thermal Throttle Limit?

[short blade]

that one I would not recommend

[ancient bridge]

That's a lil low

My 5700g was able to hit 140w

[sudden torrent]

Most boards don't even let you put that higher, only lower

[steady lance]

I tried 100 and it let me.

[steady lance]

Gotcha. Will try 150 later then.

[sudden torrent]

Sure but does that setting survive a reboot? And if it does, is it just ignoring the setting for safety?

It's usually a bad idea turning that up, AMD sets it at 95 for a reason

[short blade]

it’s 90 on zen 2/3

[sudden torrent]

Not for monolithic

[short blade]

95 on zen 4

oh?

[sudden torrent]

I typed 90 at first and then double checked lol

[short blade]

that’s wacky

why the difference

[mental turret]

gonna put these heatspreaders on my gucci dimms

[steady lance]

Left it at 95.

[jovial bluff]

Anyone wanna help me oc my 6900xt

[sterile ridge]

I can help if you have questions

[steady lance]

I am considering trying to tighten timings on my ram, can anyone help guide me through the process?

[signal belfry]

Well if your using ddr4 just look up the ram oc guide on GitHub

If it’s ddr5 I have no clue on how that stuff works

[steady lance]

DDR4.

The guide kinda confuses me. But ai will try again.

[sudden torrent]

It's simple, raise some numbers and lower other numbers until it doesn't work any more

[proud peak]

What is a good sample , like unless I’m using ln2 it shouldn’t matter right?

[sudden torrent]

Good samples can run higher frequencies at lower voltages, which means that it generates less heat and can maintain maximum boost frequencies longer

[proud peak]

Ah

Ok

How do I get good samples is there a certain time to buy cpus when they are in production to get better chances

[sudden torrent]

Nope it's almost entirely random

[proud peak]

Damn

[sudden torrent]

Sometimes there's pre-binned models like the 12900KS

[proud peak]

Yeah I don’t have ks money

So this is going to be fun once I get the asus mobo cpu and ram combo

[short blade]

I will say this, avoid the K SKU of any CPU with a KS

go for the KF instead if you are looking at 13900

for 13700K it doesn't matter

13900K is a worse bin on average than 13900KF because the best 13900K get reserved for the KS

but they can't use the good 13900KF on KS

[ancient bridge]

That's actually really smart

Wow

[steady lance]

agreed

[humble jay]

Meh

[mental turret]

very informative lol

[humble jay]

I’ve gotten too many scuffed KFs that I start to think maybe the iGPU died for a reason

12900K non F better chance for all the silicon to be clean

😎

I’m always buying non F

[jovial bluff]

whree do i start

[signal belfry]

Just get the amd overclocking software or msi after burner then look up a guide on YouTube

And a gpu stress tester

To check for stability

Btw set your fans to 80-100% while overclocking and max power limit so your gpu clock isn’t going to be held back

[short blade]

80-100%? seems excessive

auto or a normal custom fan curve is fine

[jovial bluff]

Yea

[signal belfry]

I meant setting your fan 80-100% while stress testing

So your clocks don’t go down cause of thermals

[short blade]

ah

i'd still prefer to test with fan speeds i actually plan to use

temperatures can have some effects on stability

[restive sequoia]

has anyone managed to oc a 3080ti to be on par with a 3090ti

since the disparity does not seem to be that much

[ancient bridge]

[short blade]

spare ssd acquired

any bench os recs? forks bench iso?

also can I put it in a USB enclosure or better to just use direct sata

[sudden torrent]

Dual boot forks os and windows 7

Some benches require or run better on 7

[mental turret]

What're you benching

Platform/benchmark

[short blade]

all the stuff in benchmate I guess

platform? whatever I get my hands on

[mental turret]

Okay lol

[short blade]

I mean I get my hands on a lot of hardware idk what you want me to say to that

[signal belfry]

I mean a 3080 ti is basically a 3090 with less vram

the performance difference would be very small

[sudden torrent]

My 3080 ti can beat my old 3090, and by a lot too. It was a 🥔

[eternal relic]

vram being on front side is also a nice bonus

[sudden torrent]

That's a bonus shared by the 3090 ti though. It uses higher density memory.

VS the 3090 though, yes. Them backplates get toasty.

[ancient bridge]

Welp geuss I'll be happy once I get this 3080ti

Just wanna try nvidia cause why not

If im being honest I just like trying new hardware

[restive sequoia]

Lol was saying what at that possibility at first 🤣

[restive sequoia]

Yeah seems like it until that vram spillover happens

[sudden torrent]

That has never happened to me

I don't play the games where that's a possibility

And I only play at 1440p, not 4k

[restive sequoia]

Is a rare occurance for now but happened to me in the matrix awakens demo

[ancient bridge]

(Demo)

[signal belfry]

After I changed the thermal pads on my 3090 fe the backplate was burning hot, added a heat sink and a fan then vram dropped another 5-10c I think

[sudden torrent]

I did the same on my 3090. I got a massive aluminum heatsink and put an 80mm fan on it. It got really hot, but it wasn't enough to stop the throttling. I got a REALLY potato 3090.

[signal belfry]

Well the size of a heat sink doesn’t really matter as long as heat is being transferred properly and cooled

[sudden torrent]

The giant heatsink meant that it wasn't the rear memory that was the issue. The issue was that it was a water cooled model with no direct memory cooling, just a 240mm for the core.

[signal belfry]

That sucks, honestly wonder why no one thought putting gddr6x with no cooling was a good idea

[sudden torrent]

It did suck. I tried overclocking with it and I topped out at 19.3k on time spy. Compared to my 3080 ti which immediately got 21k with just a dirty OC. (max power, +100 core, +1000 mem)

[signal belfry]

Did they sell water blocks for that 3090 pcb?

Might’ve been worth it if the that 3090 had good silicon

[sudden torrent]

It was already a water cooled model on a custom pcb, but even the core was pretty potato so not worth it even if there was

[scenic vine]

I had a gigabyte 3080 which dropped mem temps by 40c after replacing the pads

it also increased core temps by 10c

[ancient bridge]

Yea cause its transferring more heat to the cooler

[signal belfry]

U probably used the wrong sized thermal pads and your gpu core isn’t making good contact with the cooler anymore

[scenic vine]

No

What Danny said was correct

Stock pads were soooo bad

[wind prairie]

Gigabad

[short blade]

was it a vision?

my 3080 vision mem dropped 48C after repad (112C to 64C), core went up 4C

though that's at 100% fans so maximum removal rate of the extra heat

+10C makes sense if not at 100% fans

i don't really have a before/after for not 100% fans bc i was just perma running the card at 100% fans before repad because, well

it was still hitting 112C at 100% fans

[eternal relic]

my 2080ti has pads stolen from one of my 7970's, slightly too thick so hotspot kinda sucks on core

vram on the card died but got revived with hot air, still need to rebench it before i shelf the card. gonna have vram all replaced eventually.

[scenic vine]

Gaming

[short blade]

did you get it near launch?

i heard they started using better stock pads later

i got mine near launch

[scenic vine]

Yeah it was a launch card

[wheat lintel]

Could some explain what ratio and range are?

Finally getting around to OCing my 13900k

[signal belfry]

Would running my i7 10700k with hyper threading off but higher clocks be better for solely gaming?

[mental turret]

yea

[signal belfry]

How do you bin individual cpu cores?

[signal belfry]

Nvm

[signal belfry]

just tested this and my undervolt is stable

pretty decent I think for an i7, runs at 1.243 under load, wasn’t stable in prime 95 large ffts

at 4.9

[short blade]

use small ffts for testing cpu cores, not large ffts

[eternal relic]

disable all cores but 0 and start from there i guess

see how low u can get voltage at a specific clock

or i guess u can also leave all cores enabled and just mess with per core voltage control. i just disabled cores when i was getting 2c, 4c, 8c and 18c Turbo Boost 3.0 overclocks tho.

[sudden torrent]

Core 0 usually needs to be enabled to pass POST

But hwinfo will also just tell you what the best cores are

[eternal relic]

the best core thing is ryzen only right?

[sudden torrent]

Intel will tell you favored cores too

[eternal relic]

oh, did not know that cool.

i always used asus bios for that

[proven canopy]

You can look at vid in bios

Lazy way to do it, clock all cores, set bench affinity and test for max stable

[sterile flame]

Holy crap
$47 2x8gb samsung b-die

Check this out on @Newegg:Team T-Force XTREEM ARGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model TF10D416G3200HC14BDC01 https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331435?Item=N82E16820331435&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-435-_-05102023

[ancient bridge]

If only it was 32gb

I dont wanna run 4 dimms

[sterile flame]

Cheapest b-die I've ever seen

[ancient bridge]

@proven canopy think I would have any issues running 4x8 eventually?

[ancient bridge]

Wait wouldn't 2x16 dr dimms be similar to running 4 single rank 8gb dimms man idk much about ram yet 😭

[proven canopy]

Identical as the CPU sees it.

Well, almost.

Depends what your overclocking goal is

[ancient bridge]

Well I tested fclk desync which may be different compared to synced
And 1933 ran fine for my standards, 1900 was a black hole, and 1866 ik is dead stable

[proven canopy]

Normal

You probably don't want to desync fclk for daily

[ancient bridge]

Oh I won't im just testing fclk like this cause I have crappy 35dollar cdie that won't go above 3600 lmao

[ancient bridge]

Screw it

I'll see how they are

[kind walrus]

@ancient bridge oi

[ancient bridge]

Yes

[kind walrus]

Dun yes me

U know why I pinged

I'm lookin at u

With those weggie be deds

[ancient bridge]

WHAAAA

[kind walrus]

• judging silently *

[ancient bridge]

It's an experiment

[kind walrus]

• considers Danny a social experiment *

[ancient bridge]

Ok

[kind walrus]

I've got these b dies over here

But they're vveeeerrrryyyy expensive

Don't buy them

....

[ancient bridge]

I'm mad confused

[kind walrus]

[ancient bridge]

I'm not spending 10grand on shipping🗿

[kind walrus]

The experiment has failed

Back to the drawing board

[ancient bridge]

A 3080ti for shipping will work

As an overclocking experiment

Trust

[kind walrus]

Dunno where you'll find that

[ancient bridge]

Your place

[kind walrus]

Damn where'd you hide it

[ancient bridge]

How about 3090

Ik you got one🗿

[kind walrus]

Where

[ancient bridge]

7900xtx

[kind walrus]

Hm no, keeping that

[ancient bridge]

😭

[kind walrus]

My 3090 is in New Caledonia my friend

[ancient bridge]

Gt1030

[kind walrus]

I might have one in an old optiplex

[ancient bridge]

Ew why

[kind walrus]

Cos I sold it why else

[ancient bridge]

Mmm

Should have sold it to me

[kind walrus]

Should've asked

[ancient bridge]

😭

[kind walrus]

[ancient bridge]

I dont need all that vram

[kind walrus]

Ever tried saying vram as one syllable

Vrahm

[ancient bridge]

Why spend 200 more when I can get practically the same core for cheaper

Just less vram

[kind walrus]

Vrahm

[short blade]

do any timings besides tCL scale with voltage on hynix ddr5?

[scenic vine]

Afaik no

The other primaries do not, tested that. But idk about the subs

You might wanna limit voltage if your cooling isn't great

[eternal relic]

i have a new caledonian friend and i was in a vc with him and his brother recently

and his brother casually just dropped the fact he is in a PMC

most random thing ive ever heard in a vc

tho to be expected from a new caledonian

[ancient bridge]

Yeah

[short blade]

i'm just chilling at 1.35v

figure it's not worth pushing more voltage to drop tCL

especially when it's an X3D chip lol

[short blade]

think this is gonna be it for this hardware

[sudden torrent]

Not too shabby for 1.35v, here's hoping it's stable at idle too

Oh wait fclk is desynced

[short blade]

fclk has to be desynced on zen 4

2200 fclk is apparently extremely lucky on these chips

[sudden torrent]

Huh. So I guess the ideal would be doing 2:3 instead of 1:1? I haven't touched AM5 yet obv

(2000 fclk, 3000 mclk, so for every 2 memory cycles there's 3 fabric cycles)

If that's the case then maybe test with fclk at 2133 and see if you get better latency, but I could just be applying zen 3 overclocking logic where it doesn't belong lol

[short blade]

no, I tested this

bandwidth scales linearly with FCLK

running fclk at 2/3 of mclk did not provide any performance benefits

roughly 1 GB/s gain from 2000 fclk to 2200 fclk, 64 GB/s at 2000 fclk vs 70 GB/s at 2200 fclk

you just run fclk as high as possible, no worrying about ratios

[sudden torrent]

I think I like that approach better than previous gen. Way more straightforward. Too bad you couldn't pay me to own AM5.

At least, not until Q2 next year when next gen launches

[short blade]

tbh it's not really a good thing I think

it just shows that am5 i/o die is bottlenecking the hell out of ddr5

this tuned ddr5-6400 is barely getting more read bandwidth than my ddr4-4000

and you can tell by the literally linear scaling between fclk and bandwidth that the fclk is the bottleneck

IF and/or i/o die hasn't improved enough since last gen to really take advantage of ddr5

but oh well, in the end the real performance is what matters and the performance is there

[sudden torrent]

Next gen ryzen is a big overhaul, fingers crossed it's better

[short blade]

i will say i am impressed by this board's ability to figure out voltages/resistances on its own

my intel board definitely cannot even come close to doing that, my 13700K was stuck at 3800 gear 1 with auto settings except SA/VDDQ, had to tune RTTs/ODTs to go any higher

[short blade]

okay

passed p95 large, tm5, hci, and y-cruncher fft

we chilling

first experience with ddr5 went too smoothly, learned nothing about ddr5

oops

results of funny benchmark

[ancient bridge]

A whole 10k over mine for read

Write is alot better tho

[mental turret]

@short blade what was the best you were able to get those 8GB S4Q ddr3 dimms to run?

[short blade]

uhhh

[mental turret]

gonna see if i can beat it with some 4gbit bfr dimms someone just lent me

[short blade]

2400 10-12-14 i think

surely you can beat that

why not 4 gbit bfr vs 4 gbit bfr?

[mental turret]

you had 4gbit bfr?

[short blade]

yeah

[mental turret]

what did those do?

oh was that the 2800C14 or something

[short blade]

2666 11-14-14-14

yeah

[mental turret]

oh lmao

what were those xmp binned for?

[short blade]

2400 11-13-13-31

probably could have done 2800c12 or c11 or something if i tried harder

but meh

[mental turret]

so 2666c12

what was your aida64 write speed

[short blade]

no it was 11

[mental turret]

oh mb

[short blade]

uhh not sure if i can find it

i found it

[mental turret]

alright, ill beat that for ya

i remember someone posting super "fast" 8GB dimms on the overclocking subreddit

[short blade]

i'm sure it won't be difficult for you

[mental turret]

i should flex on them

but i wont

[short blade]

if it makes a difference, this is daily stable

gonna be a bit slower than whatever is bench stable

[mental turret]

do you know what pcb yours were on

[short blade]

no clue

corsair so i assume not great

had to run 2T at 2800

[mental turret]

thats normal for these ICs

[short blade]

well, i dunno

i just haven't heard good things about corsair pcbs even for ddr3

i could be wrong

[mental turret]

nah youre right

I avoid corsair ddr3

only good stuff they have is what uses BASE Hyper

[short blade]

well, have fun

[mental turret]

these are 2133c10 bin lol

they simply do not

[steady lance]

What type of ram speeds can a 10700f normally handle at 16GB or more per DIMM?

[scenic vine]

Depending on the board, 3800-4200

Assuming the ics are capable

[sudden torrent]

He's on B460 we found out so no it can't

And I'm sure you mean in gear 1 because it could do more in gear 2 with a good set of rev e

[short blade]

10th gen does not have gear modes

[sudden torrent]

smh I'm slipping lately

[scenic vine]

Also 10th gen imc can be fickle on the lower binned parts

(not to mention skylake isn't the biggest fan of rev E)

[wheat lintel]

My Rev E got up to 3800MHz stable on a 10700k

Not sure how different the IMCs are

[ancient bridge]

NAH @wheat lintel I SAW THAT

[wheat lintel]

IT JUST POSTED FINE

[ancient bridge]

LMAO

WOOO

[wheat lintel]

AAAND A BSOD

Getting this stable will be fun

[ancient bridge]

BAHAHAH

[ancient bridge]

Was it a funky one

With cool artifacting

[wheat lintel]

Imma just bring it down to 6400, should be easier

[wheat lintel]

YEP

[ancient bridge]

Being right on the edge can be slower than a lower stable speed

Atleast with zen3

[wheat lintel]

That’s why I’m bringing it down to 6400

XMP is 6000 so it still is a decent boost

…excuse me? Why did 6400 not post

Maybe my VDD2 is too high

Now I’m just stumped

Nvm I’m chilling now, 6400 posts and so far no errors of 10 minutes of TM5

[wheat lintel]

Is 1.55 VDD/VDDQ fine for daily?

[steady lance]

Any idea what DIE this ram uses?

Hyper X Predator 64 GB (4x16 GB) DDR4-3200 MHz

looking on Ebay to see if I can find a 3000mhz or higher 64gb kit for my server.

[sudden torrent]

Can't tell with kingston without looking at the ICs or asking thaiphoon to guess

[steady lance]

ahh okay.

what ram sticks are we able to tell without delidding?

[sudden torrent]

Corsair (do not recommend), g.skill, and crucial mostly. Crucial you have to guess but they only use micron dies so it's easier.

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125931847867?epid=19038030074&hash=item1d521f80bb:g:nLMAAOSwdWNkXlJr&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4Jiz8ThrtxVe%2F%2BFBNzd28hgkNY4i5xEu1LwGpr6e7SHhbc9i4J%2Bflm97Uz7Rq7TjqNB6SIoyAqGHRDrqNTx0iwJgEAcMglvxzSyefgjLMDgoHrip%2FO3r9BZLXPjNTUMLHoaeRXyQg8i8ki%2F8ERGhpma8AxVaeMwh%2FHI8%2FDixWESyaUf6kqHmIDt44VlBkSUE0a4wZgFpRfrnxa6B4wjZJja3dKEoOI5i7AlKR0fe%2FEJaMuG8MSs9Dxht3xj0xfDHOI4aTSqH96Jvmn%2B%2BpzjmqIrDSCWbi2aEma4qcK9odehC|tkp%3ABk9SR97SyaOEYg

this is interesting. price is tempting.

[sudden torrent]

I think that's CJR but it could be AJR

[steady lance]

AJR is good and CJR is bad correct?

[sudden torrent]

I'll have to look into that, DDR4 wiki doesn't have info on CJR

[steady lance]

also found this, which is even more tempting.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195765401595?epid=26034650782&hash=item2d9486f7fb:g:XLwAAOSw~2JkYcMj&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwG4QCkAoxILg8ARddFrZtfXAlokSZgwWIRw3Ud0vXURf6H5OEkYR0N7coh6bKNFkcM2PrKjmhtRUnk70fMU9jDzljZbwGkiGHydgbycW0Q59iALRqpt7jF%2Bf%2BQsZ%2FlEOTAKIH294YHgOkiPEcWfgV36cl7Ub5pSQDeOF9xo8pzPeq21rKbUtzdPix0XLiEUrqVMbtg0dJdzjDX5evoXtc2tkI0B5wxWeMj3lua%2BECAFYGZkJx2qpHh6%2BbbiN9wc%2BAQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR97SyaOEYg

[sudden torrent]

Can confirm, 16Gb CJR. They're pretty rare so I don't see a lot of OC results but it does get binned up to 1.5v and I see someone got 3800 16-18-18.

[sudden torrent]

That one is dual rank 8Gb CJR, I don't imagine that one overclocking too well with a total of 8 ranks

[steady lance]

CJR is bad then?

[sudden torrent]

It's like Samsung C die but slightly better

It scales to higher voltage

[dull ginkgo]

if you have a good amount of cooling, it's okay, it doesn't scale anywhere near as well as djr though

[signal belfry]

Those ram sticks on eBay look really nice for the price

[short blade]

you mean micron?

[sudden torrent]

Yes, that

[zenith palm]

I think you mean micron for crucial 😛

Oh woops

[sudden torrent]

Yes it was a brain fart earlier. Mushroom already corrected me lol

[zenith palm]

Yeah didn't see that it put me up the top by default

[sudden torrent]

There I fixed it, is everyone happy now? lol

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-cute-adorable-gif-15807869

[mental turret]

Uhm ackshually, I think you mean micrawn?

[scenic vine]

It's cjr, says on the label

[scenic vine]

Imo it's a lot better than c-die

Scales okay, does tightish trfc and has okay timings

[zenith palm]

C die sucks for oc (i tried on c die)

[mental turret]

a classic case of redditors falling for obvious bait
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/yae1kq/eat_your_ddr4_my_ddr3_does_2200mhz_cl_10131338/

[sudden torrent]

Yeah it's just the 042 code wasn't on my usual list I refer to so I had to make a guess

[ancient bridge]

My kit rated for 3200 c16 only did 3600 c18💀

[zenith palm]

Yeah it basically caps at 3600c18

[sudden torrent]

You got 3600? My C-die capped at 3466

[ancient bridge]

Loll

Yeah 3600 c18 19 19 39

At 1.35v

[sudden torrent]

Sounds about average, and it doesn't scale with voltage

1.35-ish is the limit, you might get negative scaling past that

Mine liked 1.37

[ancient bridge]

Thats just what xmp voltage was so I left it

[sudden torrent]

And now you know there's no point in increasing it lol

[ancient bridge]

Yep

Not using them atm anyway

[zenith palm]

Be careful, i had mine stable at that for like 6 months, no wheas in occt or tm5 extrme anta, one day my windows bootloader was gone

[ancient bridge]

Oh damn💀💀

That sucks lol

[steady lance]

what happens if I tighten timings to much?

[sudden torrent]

It won't post or it'll have errors

If it fails to post you might need to clear cmos

[steady lance]

Gotcha. What is a good starting point to try tightening timings.

[sudden torrent]

What memory die and what speed are you running?

[steady lance]

4000mhz CL18-22-22-42 1.40v I believe I was told this is Hynix DJR.

Here's the label it's a G.Skill Ripjaws 2x16gb

Running it at 3933 since that's what works.

[sudden torrent]

That's samsung d die

According to the 042 code

[steady lance]

Oh, why did everyone call it Hynix DJR then?

[sudden torrent]

No idea but if you search 8410D on the DDR4 wiki it's samsung d

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/wiki/ram/ddr4

[steady lance]

is Samsung D die good?

[sudden torrent]

8 means 8Gb
4 is width (x4)
1 is samsung
0 is nothing
D is, well, D

It's not great but it could be worse. No wonder it didn't like 4000, it's usually binned up to 3600.

[steady lance]

the ram is rated for 4000

on xmp

[sudden torrent]

Usually

[steady lance]

Oh.

But shouldn't 4000 be guarenteed if it's xmp?

[sudden torrent]

lol no

See literally any corsair stick

[steady lance]

Never used those.

[sudden torrent]

That's for the best

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

Is getting 3933 on this die good then?

[sudden torrent]

People struggle to get above 3600 with b-die on corsair PCBs

[steady lance]

took about 3 hours to get the darn thing stable using xmp....

Can Samsung D Die tighten timings reasonably well or is it outright not worth trying?

[sudden torrent]

There's not a lot of info available on them, I'm searching now. It does appear to scale with voltage at least.

I did find one person on reddit that reported their results using 4 single rank sticks, which should be similar to your 2 dual rank sticks (yours will be able to do slightly better probably)

You should be able to stick 1.45v on it, and start basically copying those settings a few at a time and testing between to make sure it's stable.

[steady lance]

is that 17-21-21?

[sudden torrent]

yes

[steady lance]

You think I can hit 16-20-20 on this?

[sudden torrent]

You'll note gear down mode is disabled which allows for the odd numbered CAS

Probably not at 3933

[steady lance]

Is that bad?

[sudden torrent]

It depends

Ryzen typically doesn't like odd numbered cas which is why gdm exists, but they got it stable

[steady lance]

Alright.

[sudden torrent]

I also found this

[steady lance]

SO MUCH STUFF!