overclocking

[steady lance]

I meant for the Override.

It's currently set to +200mhz.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah, that's the max

[steady lance]

Oh, there's no way to go higher?

why is that?

[sudden torrent]

AMD had to keep some things locked to keep the 5600 from beating the 5950X 🙃

[steady lance]

I am using a 5700 though?

[sudden torrent]

You can technically go higher but it would require base clock adjusting, which can be risky

[steady lance]

Why is that risky?

I won't do it since I don't want to risk anything on a new pc but I am kinda curious why it's risky though.

[silent glade]

I thought OC wasn't risky

[steady lance]

for GPU no.

[sudden torrent]

At 101 bclk your sata devices might freak out

At 103 bclk everything might freak out

[steady lance]

what's bclk?

[sudden torrent]

base clock

[steady lance]

what does the lk stand for?

lock?

[sudden torrent]

CLocK

[steady lance]

Okay. So i I am understanding right, if someone were to attempt this, they should forgo the use of sata drives?

[sudden torrent]

If you were to attempt this you'd be risking all of your data on all your drives, sata is just more prone to freakouts

[steady lance]

Note to self: never attempt this.

[sudden torrent]

This is the base frequency that everything in the pc runs at, and devices expect it to be exactly 100, give or take 0.2

[steady lance]

So far cores 5,4,2 have all passed.

[sudden torrent]

I have a very good sample of a 5800X and I can run +200 and bclk 101.5 stable enough to run benchmarks, but it is absolutely not gaming stable

[steady lance]

thought games were easier to run then benchmarks?

[sudden torrent]

Hah, no

Benches test specific features, games hit everything at once

[steady lance]

gotcha.'

core 1 passed

[sudden torrent]

I've seen people doing memory overclocking that passed a 12H strenuous memory test, and then the PC crashes at idle

[steady lance]

Oh seriously?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah memory is a PITA when you're pushing it

[steady lance]

Any actual gains from memory overclocking?

[sudden torrent]

Depends on the games but often yes. It's usually in the form of improved 1% lows and reduced stuttering.

[steady lance]

gotcha. I think I will probably skip out on memory overclocking until the next pc upgrade then.

[sudden torrent]

You had the 5700G right?

[steady lance]

yeah

[sudden torrent]

You can use pretty fast memory then. 4000 would be pretty easy to run, 4600-4800 is often the limit without penalties.

[steady lance]

what do you mean by penalties?

[sudden torrent]

Infinity fabric (fclk) likes to run synced to the memory clock (mclk). 1:1 is ideal so that latency is minimized.

If you take mclk above what fclk can do while stable, then it would be desynchronized creating a latency penalty

[steady lance]

oh, so going above 4800 might result in higher latency

[sudden torrent]

Yes

Not that you'd get that high without manual tuning anyway

[steady lance]

core 0 just passed.

core 7 just passed, one last core to go.

nvm two cores left to go.

@sudden torrent, all the cores passed and now it's on the 2nd iteration, should I let it run another iteration or should I start under-volting?

[sudden torrent]

Lucky you, no positive offsets needed. Nice bin.

[steady lance]

Yeah!

[sudden torrent]

Yep you can jump straight to negative 10 on all cores and test again

After this run, threads that crashed get negative 5 and those that didn't negative 15

[steady lance]

To the great bin!

into the bios I go!

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-howard-new-fish-in-town-clap-jump-off-a-cliff-gif-25136613

[steady lance]

Now running CoreCyler 🤞

core 0 passed

core 6 passed

core 4 passed

[silent glade]

core 3 passed

[steady lance]

next thing you know all cores pass with -100 undervolt.

[sudden torrent]

-30 is the best I've seen any single core get

[steady lance]

mhmm, it will be awesome if my cores can attain that.

[sudden torrent]

This is mine, and it's considered a really good sample.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610602203849162772/1092268541266382849/MSI_CO.jpg

[steady lance]

Oh wow, -24.

what cpu is that?

[sudden torrent]

5800X

[steady lance]

nice.

I wonder what kind of sample I will get on the 7950x when I upgrade to that.

core 3 passed

core 2 passed
core 1 passed

core 5 passed

all cores passed

[sudden torrent]

Your lucky streak continues

-15

[steady lance]

i am getting tired, gonna watch a couple episodes of a show then go to sleep. Before I go to sleep should I undervolt to -15 and run it over night or keep it at -10 and run it over night?

[sudden torrent]

-15 and let it ride

https://tenor.com/view/tgn1-zombie-orpheus-onward-the-gamers-harper-gif-17195840

[steady lance]

Though tedious, this has been a pretty fun process.

I guess I will do this, undervolt again now and watch something on the tv while it runs in the background all works well I will undervolt again and let it run for the night.

c'mon baby, let's aim high and score high!!!

[steady lance]

01:40:46 - Completed the test on Core 6** (CPU 12)**
what does CPU 12 mean?

All cores passed -15 undervolt.

doing one last test at -20 undervolt, when it passes I will let it run over night and try -25 tomorrow.

[steady lance]

Hot diggidy dayum!
-20 undervolt on all core worked.

Gonna let it run for the rest of the night while I sleep.

[ancient bridge]

cpu 12 would be core 6 second thread

[steady lance]

Aight it's been about 12hrs time to check if it passed.

All cores passed +200 overtide with -20 offset.

if only there was a way I could input say +400 override because I feel that this chip can do it.

[steady lance]

besides override, and offsets are there any other ways to increase cpu performance?

[wind prairie]

12 thread i assume

what cpu u running

[ancient bridge]

5700g

So it would be cores 6's second thread

[steady lance]

Yep.

[finite frigate]

you could venture into the depths of bclk oc but thats so unfun for nothing but a 3% clock bump

(as ssds tend to die above 103 bclk)

[short blade]

I tried bclk oc on the 5800x3d and it disabled boost 😦

[steady lance]

ooof

guess not then.

[finite frigate]

bclk is something to avboid anyways, not fun and barely useful

[sudden torrent]

Intel bclk on 12/13th gen is fun if you get a board with the external clock generator. Then you can tell it to only apply bclk to the CPU and memory and hit ridiculous numbers like 140 bclk.

[steady lance]

what's that in ghz?

[sudden torrent]

Depends on the processor

A Pentium will have very different clocks from a 13900k but you can figure it out by taking the max boost clock and multiplying it by 1.4

Yes that's a 40% overclock, yes I've seen it work

https://youtu.be/4QzHwbN5MBw

[sterile ridge]

@kind walrus Hit a full time spy run on 1019 mV 👏

Hurt performance more than helped lol

But still cool!

[eternal relic]

13900k arrived

[finite frigate]

make it boom

[eternal relic]

my block really sucks

1.42v, llc4 stock clocks

[finite frigate]

why are you ramming it with voltage already

[eternal relic]

it droops to like 1.34v

in r23

stock and auto llc was 1.45v, dunno load it throttled too hard

[steady lance]

Geez.

But at the cost of making drives nearly unusable correct?

[sudden torrent]

That's the kicker, the external clock generator is able to separate the blck on different areas of the board.

[steady lance]

Seriously?

[sudden torrent]

You can tell it to apply only to the CPU and RAM, while drives remain at 100

[steady lance]

So your telling me if I get a board with that capability there's a potential for some serious OC gains?

[sudden torrent]

It's only on a few Z690 and B660 models afaik

Intel only

[steady lance]

Would this harm the CPU?

[steady lance]

R.I.P

[sudden torrent]

Potentially but not likely

More likely to just crash

[steady lance]

Was thinking maybe I could get like a 6ghz all core 7950x.

[sudden torrent]

If AMD thought they could get 6GHz they'd be making that the default boost

They already push it almost to the redline

[steady lance]

13900ks time xD.

6ghz default.

[sudden torrent]

Actually that chip is already really close to the limit so bclk isn't going to help there

[steady lance]

I kinda wish manufacturer's would also guarantee a certain stock all core boost.

Didn't they do that at one point or is my mind playing tricks on me?

[sudden torrent]

The bclk is more beneficial on locked intel chips like the 12700 (non-k) that normally you can't OC and get a slight reduction in clocks from the factory

[sudden torrent]

They might have in the past but modern boost logic is heavily based on temps

[steady lance]

Proceeds to buy a car radiator and put it in push/pull, xD

Pretty sure Ltt did that once, good temps but extremely impractical.

[sudden torrent]

It was only good temps because of the thermal mass of all the liquid

You might as well use an aquarium and a pond pump

[steady lance]

I was looking at the radiator and is all the water being stored between those tiny fins?

[sudden torrent]

No there's channels at opposing angles that the water runs through

[steady lance]

I mean on an AIO's radiator if it makes a difference l.

Oh, I thought the water went in fins and the fans are blowing on the fins with the water in them.

[sudden torrent]

I've seen a graphic that shows it really well before but I can't find it now...

[steady lance]

Ahh okay.

What would be a decent am4 upgrade on the b550m DS3H if I can find it for a decent price?

[sudden torrent]

5800X3D is the only upgrade worth getting

[steady lance]

I am returning to China in about 3 months so I am putting the big upgrade on hold until I am back there so I was wondering if there were some smaller CPU swaps I can do in the mean time.

[sudden torrent]

And even that only gets you about a 10% gain iirc

[steady lance]

Would the motherboard be able to handle it?

[sudden torrent]

Sure

[steady lance]

Oh thought the vrms would struggle

[sudden torrent]

It has lower clocks to not upset the 3D vcache so it uses less power

[steady lance]

What about the 5950x?

[sudden torrent]

Don't even try it

[steady lance]

May I ask why?

[sudden torrent]

VRM will overheat

[steady lance]

Ahh okay.

[sudden torrent]

And it's also not a good upgrade

[steady lance]

Was thinking of it for workstation use.

But I guess not.

So a GPU upgrade would be better then?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that's not a workstation capable mobo, at least not with an all core load on a high end chip

[steady lance]

I wonder if I could find like a RTX 3080-3080ti for like $400.

[sudden torrent]

Not the ti

Maybe a slightly broken 3080

[steady lance]

Define "broken"?

[sudden torrent]

Broken fan or something, easy to replace

[steady lance]

Also would the 3080 be a decent jump from the 3070?

[sudden torrent]

It's roughly a 25-30% jump on average

[steady lance]

Hmmm I wonder if that would let me get a full 144+ fps. I am getting on average about 100fps in my games at current settings.

[sudden torrent]

It would be closer to 125 fps then

[steady lance]

ouch, $400 for an extra 25fps feels truly like pain.

[sudden torrent]

Such is the pain the high end gamer feels

Especially with Nvidia calling $600 "midrange" now

[steady lance]

Hasn't that always kind of been the case though?

Budget: 100-200
Low end: 300-400
Mid end: 500-600
high end: 700-800
enthusiast: 900+

[sudden torrent]

The 1080 ti, a flagship model, was $699

[steady lance]

Really?

Has there been a large increase in production price?

[sudden torrent]

A bit

It's hard to know for sure since nvidia doesn't tell us

What we do know is they've been charging the board partners a LOT more for the GPU core

[barren ridge]

I did get some info that wafer prices have significantly increased

And is increasing a lot again for next gen, which will be on 3nm

[sudden torrent]

Smaller nodes are more expensive, at least at first

[barren ridge]

18k per wafer to 23k iirc

I don't quite remember

[steady lance]

New tech's always cost more unfortunately.

[sudden torrent]

Big/little on RTX 5000 btw, so similar to RDNA. Maybe we'll get reduced costs there.

[steady lance]

Is 3D v-cache useful on servers? I forgot.

[sudden torrent]

no

Only gaming and specific work tasks

[steady lance]

Which cache is most useful for all-core/server loads?

[sudden torrent]

What do you mean? Like L1/L2/L3?

[steady lance]

Also do you guys know if gaming servers prefer different cpus compared to normal data center servers?

[steady lance]

yeah.

i can't seem to find any info online at least not a clear answer as to what type of servers prefer what aspects in CPUs.

[sudden torrent]

That depends on the CPU architecture and the tasks it's running. Some will thrash the L1, others like the extra L2 space

Game servers aren't picky about what CPU it's got as long as it's enough to run the server

[steady lance]

so it comes down to x-cores and all core boost clocks?

[sudden torrent]

And generation but that's the gist ya

[steady lance]

what do you mean generation?

cpu generation?

[barren ridge]

ya 5000 is mcm soon

[sudden torrent]

yes

Ryzen 1800 won't work as well as the Ryzen 5600 even though it has more cores, for example

[steady lance]

I wonder how well the R7-5700g will be as a Modded MC server, thinking of reusing it to run 2-3 servers with the expections for about 50 or so active users on one of them and the other two for youtube purposes.

[steady lance]

IPC gains I am assuming?

[sudden torrent]

Should be fine, even modded

[steady lance]

Not sure if it makes a big difference but the servers I run tend to use about 100 mods each.

[sudden torrent]

That's one factor of many, albeit a major factor

[steady lance]

Ahh okay.

I wish there was like a CPU handbook on all cpus and how each one performs in certain tasks.

Preferably that's also pretty easy to understand.

i really enjoy using and learing about tech as a hobby.

[sudden torrent]

You can usually find info by looking into the task itself. Often there's video benchmarks, if it can be benched, like for blender.

You can often find info in general CPU benchmark videos too, but those are more generalized

[steady lance]

I just remembered, pretty sure someone here said that getting better memory for my pc might get like a 10% gain in perf? You think that's true? Running 3000cl16 at the moment, would a 4000/4800cl18 make that big of a difference?

[steady lance]

alright.

[sudden torrent]

I'm pretty sure that was me that said that lol

[steady lance]

Oh okay.

xD.

I wonder if my memory is also the bottleneck causing the decreased scores in R23.

[sudden torrent]

Yes

3000c16 is really bad lol

[steady lance]

Was part of my prebuilt when I was in need of a pc quick, xD.

My laptop suffered severe degrading over the years to the point of running like a potato.

So I should get a ram upgrade first then?

Seems to be the best price/perf option.

Do you think my board can handle 4800cl18?

[sudden torrent]

Probably not

[steady lance]

my board says it support 4799 (oc)

but not sure if I can trust it.

[sudden torrent]

You'd need a lot of manual tuning and luck

[steady lance]

what's the next step down below 4800 then that you think I could probably use?

[sudden torrent]

If you want to be able to just enable XMP and call it good, maybe drop some subtimings like SCLs (highly recommended), 4000c16 or 4400c18 max

[steady lance]

what's scls?

what was the formula for calculating latency on DDR4?

[sudden torrent]

Memory subtiming, it's hard to explain what it does without explaining all the timings, but Ryzen loves having them at 4

[sudden torrent]

(CAS x 2000) / Data rate

So 4400c18 is 7.5ns

[steady lance]

oh that's really low isn't it?

[sudden torrent]

Very

[steady lance]

maybe I can up my KD from 5 to 7 with that lmao.

[sudden torrent]

4000c16 is 8ns, fairly close

[sudden torrent]

It might, if you're getting stuttering or lag. Better memory helps the averages a bit, but it really improves on the lows.

[steady lance]

I tend to get a good amount of stuttering in Fortnite.

Same with halo especially after someone throws a bunch of bombs at me.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah those particle effects will do it lol

[steady lance]

The worse case of it was in Fortnite when people blew up a giant structure near me and my fps bounced between 100 down to 50fps for like 2m.

[sudden torrent]

Ouch

[steady lance]

Usually my stuttering is about a 30fps dip which since my fps is about 100 on avg is really noticable.

So if ram can fix that, I'd gladly invest.

[sudden torrent]

It'll definitely help. There's no true "fix" for it but you can definitely make it more manageable.

[steady lance]

I see.

Plus having better ram should also help the server I''d assume for once I do my next upgrade and reuse this as a server.

Bloody hell, you weren't kidding 3000cl16 truly is bad.... 10.7ns.

[visual pecan]

Could also be a problem with ur graphics card V memory being full make sure its not being used by anything in the background

[steady lance]

V-ram isn't in full use from what I can tell.

in Halo, it's at 6/8gb.

[sudden torrent]

It's a 3070 at 1080p in fortnite iirc, no danger of running out there

[steady lance]

and Halo Infinite to be specific.

[visual pecan]

Ah ok i had a problem with that once a program i downloaded turned out to be a crypto minor leech and was maxing my card in the background

[eternal relic]

13900k had so much dielectric grease on it i couldnt stabalise stock clocks lmao

lotsa of iso later and it's fine now

[steady lance]

what's dielectric grease?

[eternal relic]

non-conductive grease

was layered on cpu pads for insulation

[visual pecan]

Basically ESD safe grease for insulation

Yea what he said

[steady lance]

gotcha.

Falcie, any ram sticks I should avoid when looking?

[sudden torrent]

Corsair in general

Otherwise not really

[visual pecan]

Aw man really?

I love corsair what's wrong with em

[sudden torrent]

Corsair sticks often have trouble hitting their rated XMP spec

[visual pecan]

I was looking to get all corsair brand for my PC

[sudden torrent]

They use really bad PCBs so they could use the best b-die chips in the world, but it'll be throttled by the PCB

[visual pecan]

Dang that sucks

[eternal relic]

sr ram on dr pcb with unterminated ends go brrrr

[visual pecan]

Also are there any drawbacks of overclocking a monitors refresh rate?

[steady lance]

do 4400cl18 sticks exist?

[visual pecan]

My monitor is always overclocked to 180hrz

[sudden torrent]

It might start flickering if you go too high, sometimes other weird issues

[steady lance]

can't seem to find any, all I can find are 4400cl19.

and 4000cl18

[visual pecan]

Ah makes sense

[sudden torrent]

There's sticks at that speed in 2x8GB kits but not easy to find in 2x16GB

Example https://www.newegg.com/patriot-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820225244

[steady lance]

ahh okay.

Doubt I'd be able to attain 4 sticks at those speeds.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah not without a lot of manual tuning

[steady lance]

How hard would it be to manually tune 4000cl18 down to 4000cl16?

[sudden torrent]

Not very, bump the voltage and drop the timing

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374149

B-die^
Best overclocker

[steady lance]

Need to use amazon.com.mx import fees in Mexico are obnoxious.

[sudden torrent]

Ah right

[steady lance]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/G-Skill-Ripjaws-Memoria-DDR4-4000/dp/B08TR1BQM3/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=9BDAXMY74BW3&keywords=DDR4+32gb+4400MHz&qid=1681458048&s=electronics&sprefix=ddr4+32gb+4400mhz%2Celectronics%2C76&sr=1-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

[steady lance]

starts at $40 and goes up to like 200.

I had to pay a $70 import on my Fractal Torrent.

on top of delivery fees.

[sudden torrent]

I hate hate hate amazon's search

[steady lance]

this seems to be the same ram minus the fact that it's not SDram.

[sudden torrent]

Query: 32gb ddr4 4000
Result: https://www.amazon.com.mx/Asus-A320M-K-Motherboard-Micro-ATX-Socket/dp/B06ZY2F35X

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[steady lance]

I recommend doing this.

DDR4 32gb 4000

gets the best results.

not sure why putting the storage first messes it up.

[sudden torrent]

This is the same kit as above for 300 less pesos, after shipping https://mx.pcpartpicker.com/mr/neweggmx/dqbTwP

[steady lance]

Okay looked it up, so Mexico has 20% import fees on packages over $50

bloody hell that's rediculous.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/G-Skill-Ripjaws-Memoria-DDR4-4000/dp/B08TR1BQM3/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=9BDAXMY74BW3&keywords=DDR4+32gb+4400MHz&qid=1681458048&s=electronics&sprefix=ddr4+32gb+4400mhz%2Celectronics%2C76&sr=1-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

@sudden torrent, if these two kits are the same I am gonna buy the kit from amazon as it's $30 cheaper after import fees.

Import tax is based on the cost of the product and shipping fees combined.

[sudden torrent]

So they charge tax on the shipping fees? wtf

[steady lance]

yep.

Told you Mexico's imports are rediculous.

They charged me $47 on the R7-5700g on arrival for import fees.

So long as I use XMP it should hit the rated speed correct?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

Assuming it's not corsair lol

(or some other no name brand)

[steady lance]

gotcha.

And after some manual tuning I should be able to lower it to cl16 or lower yes?

Of course not guarenteed.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah

[steady lance]

Aight, gonna save up for a couple weeks then buy this.

Thanks for the help, and I hope you will continue supporting me in the future!

[sudden torrent]

No problem, you know where to find me

[steady lance]

by any chance would you know a solution to fix why not all of my argb leds are on?

[sudden torrent]

Which ones aren't on?

[steady lance]

Connection seems to only go up to 3 devices.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah a lot of headers have a fairly low current rating so anything past a few devices just doesn't turn on or flickers

[steady lance]

ahhh okay.

Was concerned it might've been a faulty fan.

guess I just gotta wait till the next upgrade then.

Anyway I can use argb headers on a non argb one?

Was thinking of getting some led strips.

[sudden torrent]

3 pin rgb must go on 3 pin, 4 pin must go on 4 pin

You risk killing the device if you put a 4 pin on a 3 pin header

[steady lance]

ooof, okay.

[sudden torrent]

Just a simple hub would be ideal

[steady lance]

hub?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah like this https://www.amazon.com.mx/Thincol-Ventilador-refrigeración-Iluminación-Control/dp/B08M644QQX

[steady lance]

would that also fix the fan issue?

[sudden torrent]

That would yes

[steady lance]

Would the built in hub in the torrent work?

[sudden torrent]

It takes extra power from a sata power cable, and lets the mobo handle the lighting signals

I had to double check but the torrent hub is only for the fans, not the lights

[steady lance]

oh okay.

So that's a no.

So I would still need a argb hub correct?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

This one is cheaper and has more rgb slots https://www.amazon.com.mx/Splitter-Ventilador-Enfriador-extensión-Adaptador/dp/B0BVVY7G1J

[steady lance]

so for the hub I just plug it into one argb header and one sata header then I plug the fan's argb headers into the hub and it will work just like that?

[sudden torrent]

Yep

The motherboard knows how many devices are plugged in, as long as there's enough power to them

[steady lance]

no issues with brand?

[sudden torrent]

Uh, Asus? No

[steady lance]

gotcha, hmmm, the fractal torrent's fan hub can control fan speed correct?

[sudden torrent]

Yes, for 4 pin fans

[steady lance]

Arctic p12 uses 4 pins right?

[sudden torrent]

Actually not the brand but the seller is bad

[sudden torrent]

If you get the PWM model

[steady lance]

all my fans are the pwm pst argb.

[sudden torrent]

Then yes

[steady lance]

Thinking of moving the fans on my AIO over to the fan hub and setting that to turn to x-speed for the cpu and the bottom fans to turn to x-speed for gpu.

Do you think that'd be a good idea?

[sudden torrent]

It's a good idea but most motherboards can't handle doing a curve with GPU temp without third party software

[steady lance]

what would you recommend?

for software.

[sudden torrent]

https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

Featured here https://youtu.be/uDPKVKBMQU8

[steady lance]

ahh okay.

[steady lance]

should I still go with this hub?

[sudden torrent]

No I checked the seller, they're a chinese scammer

[steady lance]

for the argb wondering cause you mentioned this./

Oh okay.

[sudden torrent]

Here this one ships faster, 8 fans supported https://www.amazon.com.mx/erounder-inalámbrico-Ventilador-refrigeración-computadora/dp/B08SHHXYC1

[steady lance]

what's your recommendation on setting that up, daisy chain 3 fans per header? Wondering cause I am trying to figure out if the cables will all reach.

Worse case I think I can make connecting per header per fan work.

[sudden torrent]

You could do that but for better signal integrity it would be better to do each fan on each header

If you needed to you could daisy chain, is what I mean

[steady lance]

bad signal integrity can cause flickering or dim lights correct?

[sudden torrent]

No bad signal would usually mean it doesn't change colors like it's supposed to or when the others do

Like lag

[steady lance]

oh gotcha.

[sudden torrent]

Low power would be what causes the flicker

[steady lance]

gimme a sec, gonna see if I can find one with 12 headers if possible I'd love to be able to get 9 fans, pump light, and 2 led strips all hooked up to one source.

[sudden torrent]

You'd be better off getting 2 hubs at that point, it'll be cheaper lol

[steady lance]

oh really?

[sudden torrent]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Corsair-Commander-Ventilador-Controlador-iluminación/dp/B09GHTMJMY

Oh here's a good one https://www.amazon.com.mx/DeepCool-ventilador-puertos-magnético-Gigabyte/dp/B0BCVZS4XL

[finite frigate]

why is ddr4 4k being added here

[sudden torrent]

huh

[steady lance]

the pricing on this one is much nicer

thanks falcie for helping me find that.

Gonna order it probably tomorrow.

[steady lance]

Quick question before I run CoreCycler and go to sleep.

What happens if I Undervolt to much?

Will CoreCycler give an error if the CPU does not hit the override with the set Undervolt?

Just noticed core 7 has been at 0 undervolt this whole time.

[sudden torrent]

There will be an error message when the error is found, and it will skip that core in later cycles. It says at the end of each cycle if any cores crashed.

[steady lance]

So it will indeed check if the core hits the rated override with the offset?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[steady lance]

Ahh good to know.

[sudden torrent]

What happens is when it's not stable there is an error in the math it's doing (calculating prime numbers) and that triggers the message

[steady lance]

Should I disable the igpu since I don't have it connected to any monitors?

[sudden torrent]

Nah iGPU is fine

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

Kay, -25 Undervolt is set to all cores gonna let it run for 46m and check it if I am still awake then adjust if not then I will check in the morning.

Man am I looking forward to seeing an -30 all core on this CPU.

Would it be a world record if it did that?

[sudden torrent]

Probably not but it's rare

I honestly don't know how well the 5700g undervolts, it's a different die than the rest of the series

[steady lance]

Ahh okay.

By the way, what exactly are the perks for undervolting?

I know it helps with temps but anything else?

[sudden torrent]

Temps are just the first part. Boost algorithms decide what frequency to boost to based on those temps. Lower temps, higher boost.

[steady lance]

My temps currently peak at 50c and have an average of 43c during full load for about an hour.

This is in OCCT.

Is that considered very good?

[sudden torrent]

That's quite good yes

Boost tables go lower than that still

[steady lance]

Oh really?

So for example I could get like an extra 100mhz all core if it goes down by another 10c?

[sudden torrent]

Maybe not that much but yeah

[steady lance]

Interesting.

Over clocking so far though tedious is very fun thus far.

[sudden torrent]

The lower the temp gets the higher it can clock, that's why you can get ridiculous results with liquid nitrogen or helium

[steady lance]

Helium?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah liquid helium

[steady lance]

How does that work?

Oh okay.

I thought you meant helium like the gas used in balloons.

🎈

So far so good on the Undervolt.

[steady lance]

-25 Undervolt worked on all the CPU cores.

Gonna let it run for the rest of the night to test stability.

Couldn't sleep so I started wondering, would a custom bios allow me set overrides beyond 200 for the CPU?

Because I know that for example with a custom bios a person can make a GPU consume far more wattage and voltage then the GPU would allow normally.

[sudden torrent]

Sure, how good are you at hex editing and repacking a capsule?

You've got flashback so there's little risk involved if you make a bad bios at least

[short blade]

@modern walrus speedrunning the oc on this nanya f-die

never heard of this IC before, but it definitely beat expectations

this is the second time a corsair kit has blown past expectations

💀

this is 1 days worth of progress, still working on finalizing primaries, tRC, tRFC, tCWL/tRDWR. everything else is already as low as it can go

if this test passes then this is as low as the primaries will go, and I think also tCWL/RDWR are done

so then it would just be tRC and tRFC left

oh I forgot dropping tRCDWR, surprisingly that wouldn't post at 8 so I have to investigate it later

[modern walrus]

wow SCLs at 2 is like bdie's selling point for AM4

tRC won't drop? tRP + tRAS usually works but I don't think that's an actual formula

but very very nice even where it's at

[short blade]

testing tRC 64 rn

can maybe go lower

who knows, not done yet

i'm honestly not sure if it's worth raising tRDWR to 15 to run tCWL 12

but it's unstable at 14

i think it's worth? just not 100% sure

this IC honestly might be better than rev. e

the 160ns tRFC makes it feel like budget b-die lol

my rev. e couldn't run tRCD 17 either

[steady lance]

Meter tried hex editing before and same goes for the ladder.

[sacred kernel]

trying to oc kingston fury 3600 mhz cl16 how is it rn (hynix d) 2x16

its not final because I haven't seen any errors yet

[finite frigate]

youve got a while to go

[sacred kernel]

which ones should I try with lower vals

[finite frigate]

i think my tuned 3200 kit beats your 3600 kit in every way

[finite frigate]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[sacred kernel]

hm which subtimings are not good enough

[sacred kernel]

ok

[finite frigate]

little tip though, max out trefi, should bestable on most kits but it may vary, if it doesnt like 65534/65535/65536 try 40000

[sacred kernel]

was it how long the ram holds charge before emptying the capacitors and I thought its intel only I couldnt find this in bios

btw this is 2Rx8 will that make any difference with 1rx16 kits which has the same chip

also its 1.4v should I go higher

[steady lance]

...... All 8 cores passed -25 undervolt with +200 override!!!

12hrs in CoreCycler no issues.

[silent glade]

My man is gambling

[steady lance]

Mohahhahahahh!

[short blade]

nice, probably done with this nanya f-die now

[short blade]

make sure to do idle test as well

[steady lance]

What do you mean by idle?

[short blade]

some of my cores could pass corecycler at -19 but needed to go up to -16 to not error at idle

just leave your pc on overnight doing nothing

[steady lance]

Oh, will do that again but it passed it last time.

[short blade]

whenever you push further with corecycler you should also test it at idle

[steady lance]

got it.

-35 undervolt here I come MOHAHAHHAHA!

[short blade]

I am pretty sure 30 is the maximum on zen 3?

maybe cezanne is different but I don’t think so

[steady lance]

there's a max?

[short blade]

my 5800x3d maxes out at 30

[steady lance]

I thought the 5800x3D couldn't be tampered with?

[short blade]

I’m 100% sure the max is 30 on vermeer

cezanne should be the same

I believe raphael allows up to 50

[steady lance]

Raphael is Zen 4 right?

[short blade]

yes

cezanne is zen 3 APU (what you have) or some of the zen 3 APUs with disabled igpu (such as 5500, 5700)

vermeer is normal zen 3

but yeah, try setting 31 in bios, it’ll probably autocorrect to 30 or say invalid input

[short blade]

initially yes

but now you can run CO on the 5800X3D

it won’t change max clocks (you can’t boost override or anything)

[sudden torrent]

It's just multiplier locked now, so no all core or direct voltage control

[short blade]

it’s basically just an undervolt

but it can result in higher sustained clocks under heavy loads because of that

[steady lance]

Ahh okay.

[short blade]

my 5800X3D at -30 all cores can sustain 4.45 all core under multicore loads where it would be dropping to 4.3ish without CO

due to thermal or power constraints

[sudden torrent]

That cache do be hawt

[short blade]

most 5800X3Ds can just toss -30 all core and call it a day since the max clock is so low

I did a 5800X3D build for a friend where I just tossed a quick -20 all core on it and didn’t even bother to stress test it, he never had an issue anyways

[steady lance]

could my undervolt be causing my game Halo Infinite to be taking like 30 years to load up?

[steady lance]

oh neat

[short blade]

unlikely but I suppose it’s not impossible

sometimes instability can manifest in weird ways

sometimes I’ve had unstable ram settings cause windows to take 2 minutes to boot (and then crash after trying to do anything) when the normal boot time is like 4 seconds

gen 4 nvme

debloated OS with practically nothing on it

[steady lance]

Gonna try restarting my computer.

My wifi's been a bit wonky.

[short blade]

I’ve also had unstable settings completely knock out wifi/ethernet/usb ports, that’s pretty common

[steady lance]

it's saying "Syncing Data".

odd, everything else works.

It's just Halo Infinite being slow with the syncing.

[short blade]

[steady lance]

looked up a fix.

Seems it's a issue that happened to someone else.

trying the fix

fixed.

[steady lance]

Oh gosh, I haven't turned on the FPS counter since I changed the CPU in Halo Infinite and my gosh I gained a lot of fps.

I got about an extra 30 fps on average after all the OC and etc.

Running on average about 130fps in Halo Infinite now compared to the 99 fps average on the 10700f

[sudden torrent]

Noice

[steady lance]

also stutters have been reduced a bit as well.

Still noticable though.

The epic armor I use xD.

[short blade]

ram oc might help with stuttering

[steady lance]

plan on saving up and buying the ram kit Falcie recommended me in a couple weeks then doing some manual oc on that.

4000cl18 gonna try to tune that to 4000cl16 or better.

ran Cinebench and it seems the extra undervolt got me about an extra 120pts.

Hmmm, I think the ram is the bottleneck here.

[dense kelp]

seems core #1 in the array is the fastest core. it was the only one active at 4842 MHz stock

what can i do to elevate these numbers? the ak620 seems to do a good job cooling and comparing to other stock numbers online, its a decent binned 5800x

[sudden torrent]

For the single core test, curve optimizer. For the all core, a manual overclock gets the best numbers.

[steady lance]

Falcie, would you call what I did a manual overclock?

[sudden torrent]

No

That was curve optimizer

[steady lance]

Ahh okay.

[sudden torrent]

The reason that's better in your case is games rely more on the single thread performance

[steady lance]

What do you mean by manual overclock then?

[sudden torrent]

You set the core multiplier and voltage, and it holds both steady. No boosting involved.

[steady lance]

Isn't that a static OC?

[sudden torrent]

So you'd set, say, 4.8GHz all core at 1.35v

[sudden torrent]

Same thing yes

[steady lance]

Static OC is bad for the long run isn't it?

Like daily use.

[sudden torrent]

That'll depend on the voltage you set

[dense kelp]

is pbo 2.0 in the bios?

[steady lance]

Yes.

Bios is where PBO settings are.

[sudden torrent]

Yes, in an advanced CPU menu usually under AMD overclocking

[dense kelp]

ill work with it later. only on 3200mhz so i might see a 100 pt boost at most

ram

i dont think my mobo supports 32gb ram at higher than 3200mhz

[sudden torrent]

If it was made in the last 4 years it will

[dense kelp]

im just mad my ram is 20$ cheaper than when i bought it

[steady lance]

Would the static OC be better for workstation tasks?

[dense kelp]

x570 steel legend

[sudden torrent]

You can hit 4800 with 32gb then if you tune it

The ideal speed will vary by processor

[steady lance]

Wondering cause I might save two OC presets, one for gaming and another for when I use blender or something else that prefers an all core workload.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah the static clocks are usually higher than an all core boost clock

[steady lance]

Hmmm I see.

What would be like the max voltage I should do for daily use?

[sudden torrent]

That's a topic of heavy debate

Some say 1.2v, others say 1.3v is fine

[steady lance]

What do you say?

[sudden torrent]

I fall in the middle. To be safe 1.25v

Personally I do 1.3v because I'm a daredevil

[steady lance]

Gotcha. So try to avoid exceeding 1.25v.

Is 5v difference really that big?

0.5*

[sudden torrent]

0.05v yes

[steady lance]

Interesting.

[sudden torrent]

It can quite literally be a life or death decision for your CPU

[steady lance]

Ouch noted.

By the way, off topic. I know the 5700g has the issue of not being able to set overrides above 200 so I was wondering if Intel's K chips also have the same thing making the I9 the only one without a limit?

[short blade]

no

also the +200 override limit is not unique to the 5700G

same limit exists on the r3 3100, the r5 3600, the r9 3950x, the r5 5600, r9 5950x, etc.

not sure about zen 4

[steady lance]

Ahh my bad, I didn't know.

[short blade]

but out of the zen 2/3 CPUs the only exception is the 5800x3d (where the limit is 0)

[steady lance]

Why would they set the limit on the flagship chip though?

[sudden torrent]

Intel also has the xtu tool to set clock speeds at different load types and levels

[short blade]

the limit doesn’t really matter much

you’re not actually hitting that maximum clock in any meaningful workloads

an i3-8350K won’t stop you from setting 10ghz

[sudden torrent]

5800X3D isn't the flagship, it's just the best for gaming

[short blade]

it won’t work, but you’re allowed to try

[steady lance]

Was referring to the 5950x.

[sudden torrent]

Ohh you mean why limit to +200

[steady lance]

I hit the max clock in OCCT if that counts.

[short blade]

does it matter that the pbo limit is 6ghz if it won’t exceed 5.1ghz in any workload?

[sudden torrent]

Well the reason is the 5950 is already the highest clocking overall and it's actually really hard to get it higher

[short blade]

my 5800x had a 4.85ghz limit, boost override allowed a maximum of 5.05ghz

never saw it exceed 4.85 for more than 0.1 seconds in even light games

[sudden torrent]

Bclk it to 5.2

[short blade]

would usually hover between 4.7-4.8

in fact going above +200 would be detrimental to performance overall

since you’d be dropping offsets to stabilize absolutely irrelevant points on the v/f curve

even +200 tends to be pointless tbh

like I said before, zen 3 chips often achieve best performance with an override lower than +200

[steady lance]

Strange.

[short blade]

it’s not strange at all if you understand how CO works

[steady lance]

Guess I should learn how CO works in the near future then.

[short blade]

however, your 5700G is lower clocked (4.6ghz stock boost) and is more likely to benefit from higher overrides than a 5800X that’s pushed higher out of the box and has less room to boost higher

[steady lance]

I see.

[short blade]

I’ll give you a simple explanation

let’s assume a ryzen 7 5800x (stock boost 4.85ghz)

so override +200 means it can boost up to 5.05

[steady lance]

Yes.

[short blade]

now let’s say that this 5800x has a core 0 stable with -23 offset at 4.9ghz

and the same core is only stable with -16 offset at 5.05ghz

if you were to push boost override to +200 and do your due diligence with stability testing

you would observe that at -23, your cpu would occasionally throw WHEA errors and lower your offset accordingly

however, those WHEAs are being thrown from when the CPU spikes above 4.9ghz at idle for milliseconds or even shorter

if you got your core 0 to -16 to be stable at 5.05ghz, you’d also be running -16 at 4.9ghz

but your core 0 doesn’t actually need -16 to be stable at 4.9ghz, it could do -23

then you play a game and you observe that the cpu never boosted past 4.9ghz to begin with due to silicon limits

so, you got a stable curve at +200 override, but that resulted in you lowering offsets more than you needed to in order to stabilize clocks that are not actually relevant to performance

if you instead used a +50 override (boost limit 4.9ghz), you’d be getting the same performance as +200 override, but at more aggressive offsets (-23 vs -16)

[steady lance]

Think I understand you so far.

[short blade]

if you then ran an all-core load, you would be getting more performance, because now you’d be running 4.6ghz at -23 (the stable value for +50) instead of 4.55ghz at -16 (the stable value for +200)

and that’s basically all there is to it

[steady lance]

So it's better to optimize boost clock you see most often rather than the highest clock attainable which the CPU rarely reaches?

[short blade]

TL;DR: you sacrifice offset magnitude to stabilize clocks that you are not reaching in reality

yes, pretty much

I owned that 5800X for like a year and it probably spent like 10 microseconds at 5.05ghz

gaming was basically always 4.85ghz or below, occasionally would jump to 4.9 in light games

so I would have gotten the same or better performance using a +50 curve or a +0 curve

since I could have run more aggressive offsets

[steady lance]

The clocks I see reasonably often in OCCT most on this CPU is about 4.75ghz.

[short blade]

so that’s +150 above stock

5700G stock is 4.6

I think you could probably reasonably see some 4.8 in gaming

so for your chip it probably makes sense to use +200

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[steady lance]

just ran OCCT and 5 cores hit 4.8/4.85ghz and the other 3 hit just shy of 4.8ghz by like 10mhz.

[steady lance]

what software is good for testing GPU stabillity?

MSI Afterburner is the recommend GPU overclocking tool correct?

[sudden torrent]

Yes afterburner is the most used/recommended

The best test for stability is gaming

[steady lance]

gotcha.

With GPU overclocking there isn't any voltage, wattage, and etc concerns correct because it sets safey limits by default?

[sudden torrent]

Nope you can slam the power and temp limit to max

No worries there

[steady lance]

oh just realized I can't adjust voltage?

Oh, do I adjust voltage in the curve editor?

+200 core
+400 mem
seem like a good starting point?

then do increments of 25?

[sudden torrent]

You can use curve editor for voltage but honestly not usually necessary

What GPU again?

[steady lance]

RTX 3070

EVGA CX3 Ultra

XC3*

[sudden torrent]

Ok that's already +45 core from the factory

Do +100 core and +1000 memory

[steady lance]

Seems memory clocks really high based on what you said?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah it tends to clock really high

And GDDR6 you don't need to worry about heat as much as 6X

[steady lance]

also set a pretty aggressive fan curve just incase starting at 30c with multiple points leading to 90c.

Halo Infinite on the big maps should work pretty well for stressing the gpu I'd presume?

[sudden torrent]

That looks like you only applied the curve to one fan

Hit fan sync

[steady lance]

Oh, I thought it was synced to my bottom fans.

[sudden torrent]

Nope the 2 fans on the GPU can be controlled independently

[steady lance]

2?

I have a triple fan card.

[sudden torrent]

It only says 2, still applies though

[steady lance]

oh okay.

well time to test.

[sudden torrent]

Things to watch for, outright crashing is usually core too high, weird textures or glitches is usually memory too high

[steady lance]

got it.

🤞 with all the OC and tuning I can hit stable 144+ fps so I can take full advantage of my monitor.

now loading into a match.

Increment by 50 or 25?

Currently incrementing by 25 on core and 50 on mem.

What type of visual glitches would indicate that it's the memory?

[short blade]

visual glitches are usually the memory

unstable core is more likely to just crash

[sterile ridge]

artifacts

somethin weird like this

[steady lance]

oh gotcha.

Gosh looks like venom is taking over there xD.

now testing +175 core +1150 mem

[sterile ridge]

afterburner also has a built in overclocker, wont work as well as manual but you can kinda get a baseline

[sterile flame]

gross

[steady lance]

ahh will keep that in mind next time, I've already started the pace on manual.

[sterile ridge]

i havent used afterburner a ton so idk, but when i did i just used that and increased it

[finite frigate]

its pretty useless, takes too long and also doesnt do memory

[sterile ridge]

did for me on my old 3080

not sure

[steady lance]

took a break, coming break and now gonna try:
Core: +225
Mem: +1250

That's odd, would having those set to high cause discord and my game to crash but not my computer?

[finite frigate]

yes

[steady lance]

which one would cause that?

[finite frigate]

both, dont clock them at the same time

find max stable for core, reset core, then do the same to memory

[steady lance]

Oh, that's what I've been doing.

[steady lance]

this method.

[finite frigate]

clocking them at the same time leaves you with problems like you have right now

i'll put my money on core doing that though, if driver or anything didnt crash

[steady lance]

So, find the stable point for both then try turning them both on at the same time?

[finite frigate]

yes

[steady lance]

I updated my driver earlier today.

Undoing memory clock for now then.

Discord just crashed again?

Why is it only discord and not the other apps?

[finite frigate]

discord could be corrupted

[steady lance]

fix it by reinstalling discord?

[finite frigate]

yeah

[steady lance]

will do that real quick.

cause Halo, and Discord are the only things that crash.

back

okay so far so good 😄

Oh so that's what's causing it.

For some reason applying new settings closes discord.

+250 passed now doing +275 core.

What's considered a good GPU OC?

would increasing the voltage help me attain higher clocks and possibly more stable as well?

[sterile ridge]

afaik, not necessarily since it'll increase temps

[steady lance]

Currently running 3Dmark demo with the GPU on the default clocks to check what my baseline is.

Oh DAYUM, my R7-5700g hit 5ghz during the test.

[sterile flame]

actually increasing voltage, sure, but the voltage slider in afterburner is basically just a placebo. you can go ahead and max it out anyway though

[steady lance]

It won't let me move that slider though it does allow me to adjust the voltage curve via the curve editor by the looks of it.

[steady lance]

Aight, it seems +230 is what's stable for me so far.

Also seems my CPU maintained a solid 4.8ghz through most of bench.

[steady lance]

CPU hit 5.415ghz for a few seconds during the Time spy run!

[steady lance]

Without moving the voltage slider I am limited to:
Core: +200
Mem: +870

Let's see if increasing the slider will let me get pass that hard limit.

[steady lance]

so far gpu OC is much more of a pain then CPU.....
Currently at:
+150 core
+1100 mem

stabillity is so so, usually works but still crashes. Will do more testing tomorrow, for now I am a try to run CoreCycler with -30 undervolt see how that goes.

my entire pc isn't crashing.
Just discord, and Halo Infinite.
Chrome and everything else stays open.

[sacred kernel]

how can I clear cmos without having to open the case

will some jumpers and 9V input be fine or just a button system for 2 pins

my motherboard doesnt have one of that clear cmos buttons

[sterile ridge]

Not sure if you can. Why not just open it?

[sacred kernel]

its unpractical for me bc pc isnt on the desk and its hard to connect them with a screwdriver head like this

[sacred kernel]

should I set the tRDWR and tWRRD ?

they are 11 and 4 on auto rn

same question for tRDRDSD and tRDRDDD

2x16(2rx8) hynix d die

[vale nymph]

You can hook up the reset button to reset cmos

Orientation doesn't matter as it just needs to short

But just remember not to hit it after you're done setting it all up

[sacred kernel]

I can connect the reset button again when I'm done, thats a great idea thanks

[sacred kernel]

which ones should I try pushing, tRCDRD at 18 doesnt post

maybe higher voltage will do it but I'm preparing it for daily usage so I don't want to go over 1.4v a lot

also tFAW at 16 increased the latency in AIDA64 for some reasons

[sacred kernel]

ok 68.6 with tFAW at 16, hypervisor is active in Windows so might be a bit more than what it should be

tWRWRSD and tWRWDD at 4 didnt post, I think I'm slowly reaching the limits of this ram

[sacred kernel]

tWR is now 10, tried making tRDWR 8 but didnt post

I feel like maybe I've reached the limit of either this bin or generally hynix d at 1.4 volts

rn its fine with 1.38v as well

unlike my previous hynix c kit this one never errored in benchmarks it either doesnt post, doesnt boot or works fine

[steady lance]

What does this error mean? Happened at 0.5 expected 0.4?

[sacred kernel]

pretty sure it was a floating point rounding operation to test cpu stability and in ur case it wasn't stable and throwed an error

[steady lance]

gotcha.

So far two cores have passed -30 undervolt with +200 override.

[steady lance]

7/8 cores passed the -30 undervolt.

[steady lance]

Okay it seems turning core 3 up to -28v did the trick.

What would be the downside if I set a static OC of: +200 override and -30 undervolt with the exception of core 3 being at -28?

wondering because I noticed that in benches I can hit 4.8ghz very regularly.

[finite frigate]

-28v sweats

[steady lance]

???

[finite frigate]

i think its a little different from -28v, likely 28 voltage points, not just raw volts

if it was -28 volts that'd be impossible 😅

[steady lance]

Yeah lmao.

[short blade]

gigachad cpu running at -26.7 volts

[mental turret]

i need my fix of ddr3

it's been too long

[steady lance]

?

[short blade]

1.3 - 28 = -26.7

[steady lance]

oh yeah, after all the oc and undervolting my multicore score in r23 went from 12,100 something to 14,386pts.

[steady lance]

Would Static OC harm my cpu if I'm still running at an undervolt?

[steady lance]

should I trust HWinfo's voltage count? I set it to 1.35v and it says my CPU is only currently pulling 1.27v.

[scenic vine]

Depends

[steady lance]

Ended up upping the voltage.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah funny how quick you can go from undervolting to over 1.3v load

[steady lance]

Yeah lmao.

[finite frigate]

definitely not bad, seems about right for a zen3 8 core

[steady lance]

Scored 15,209 in r23 with 1.35v @4.6ghz R7-5700G.

[finite frigate]

letting you know now, 1.35 is very high for zen

[steady lance]

Will shorten life by about 2-3 years from 10 correct?

[finite frigate]

shorten life is not the problem lol

degradation, you wont keep stable at xx volts at xx freq over prolonged use

[steady lance]

Ahh that.

Well I switched back to PBO.

[finite frigate]

life span has never and will never be a worry for me while overclocking

[steady lance]

How bad is the degradation? Also during the run although it's set to 1.35v it was mostly running at 1.27v.

[finite frigate]

not something i can give a set and stone answer to

[steady lance]

Approximately speaking of course.

I don't expect a perfect answer.

[finite frigate]

this is a lot safer, PBO changes the voltage of the cpu literally thousands of times per second, while fixed votlage is well, fixed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAww0c2m-ks

this is at a higher voltage, but its something to keep in mind

[steady lance]

for PBO?

[finite frigate]

no

thats static

[steady lance]

ohh okay.

[finite frigate]

PBO, unless ryzen 1 or 2K will not hurt cpus if you dont do absolutely stupid settings obviously

[steady lance]

xD, +200 offset yes, yes.

[finite frigate]

more of power and voltage offsets

high clocks doesnt mean unhappy cpu

[steady lance]

I currently have my PBO preset at +200 override with 6/8 cores at -30 offset.

the other two are -25 and -28.

[finite frigate]

fine if stable

[steady lance]

stable.

[scenic vine]

Der8s testing is also flawed

So it gives a best case scenario answer

[scenic vine]

As long as you don't touch LLC, or set the scalar higher than 1x the smu will keep the cpu safe

[proven canopy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1E4p5yQK5U

[eternal relic]

is this not meant to work?

i was running hd 6770 which is pcie 2.0 on my 13900k last night

wow that is a bad picture

[proven canopy]

nothing in that picture shows pcie 2.0

[eternal relic]

got it

hmm, it was running pcie 1.0 4x lol

i had it in 2nd slot so maybe that

ill plug it into main slot and test rn

[steady lance]

What's a good DDR4 Ram OC guide? Also does anyone by chance know what die is on my DDR4 3200Cl16 Oloy kit?

I am reading it's most likely Samsung C or D die.

[proven canopy]

That probably means you have a broken capacitor on the pcie slot

[mental turret]

[eternal relic]

could this also put main slot into 8x

[proven canopy]

wat

[eternal relic]

my top pcie slot has been stuck in 8x ever since corrosion incident, i was assuming it was just more corrosion under pcie

either way, i cleaned out pcie yesterday. still assuming it was just corrosion.

\

16x pcie 1.0

no broken cap, my bottom slot just maxes out at x4

[finite frigate]

we swaggin

new 7zip pb soon?

[finite frigate]

how’s the bench setup

[mental turret]

where's the bucket of ice water

[finite frigate]

cry about it

[mental turret]

are you running your 11900k rn

[finite frigate]

700k but yes

[mental turret]

oh nvm then

[kind walrus]

@mental turret

I just lost 3 windows installs

[mental turret]

huh how

[kind walrus]

Tried my hand at seeing if the 12900kf I sold had degraded after some benching

Yeah it was uhh... definitely dead

💀

[mental turret]

the chip is dead?

[kind walrus]

No it boots

[mental turret]

so whats the problem

[kind walrus]

This is as far as I got 3 times

[mental turret]

stock? lol

[kind walrus]

Stock with extra voltage

[mental turret]

how did you degrade it so fast

[kind walrus]

Not me

Lilene

[mental turret]

oh...

[kind walrus]

Had it benching at like, 10C for 3 or 4 days running 1.45V

[mental turret]

💀

[kind walrus]

Ya

[mental turret]

oh thats not even bad

[kind walrus]

It may have gone even higher like 1.54

💀

[mental turret]

eh

[kind walrus]

Either way I couldn't get it to work

[mental turret]

maybe im too used to running high volts or something

ivybridge gang

[kind walrus]

Hm

Perhapp

[finite frigate]

well you have a real cpu far

[mental turret]

what does that mean lol

[finite frigate]

12is puny voltage

sandy ivy and haswell don’t care

[mental turret]

my 1680v2 got fed up

🥔 ified

[sudden torrent]

BTW far that mobo still isn't responding at all. I've done everything but pull the cooler and check the pins but I don't see why it would just refuse to try to power on.

I'll work on it when I'm not feeling so sick

[mental turret]

You could try reseating the CPU. I figured you fixed it because you didnt respond to my DM

[sudden torrent]

Nah I've just spent most of the day in the bathroom

[mental turret]

Like I mentioned, that board's socket may or may not be finnicky.

oh dang

[sudden torrent]

It's entirely possible something hit the socket in shipping, the box was fairly beat up. I'll keep you updated.

[mental turret]

Well the chip was in the board right? At worst it might've just moved the chip a bit since the keying is a little damaged.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that's along the lines of what I thought as well

Once I'm up to it and I find my extra paste (used the last of my mx-5 ) I'll give it another go

[mental turret]

alright. keep me updated. sorry about that, not sure why it's acting up

[sudden torrent]

I don't blame you, I knew what I was getting into lol

[mental turret]

[sudden torrent]

Once it's done I'll have to show you the jank af setup I had to do

The only screws I had that were long enough and fit my radiator were some old AMD cooler screws so I had to double up on fans to get it to fit

Good thing there's lots of fan headers lol

[steady lance]

@sudden torrent, are you available currently?

[sudden torrent]

Between bathroom runs

[steady lance]

okay. when this says Reset, does it mean full pc reset or just thaiphoon or restart?

[sudden torrent]

It would be a restart but with a full power down between

[steady lance]

Give it a try to see if AB will work afterwards then?

[sudden torrent]

Sure, worth a try

Oddly enough I'm hoping you have c-die because I know very well how they overclock (not great lol)

If i'ts d-die might be better off lighting it on fire

[steady lance]

is d-die that bad?

[sudden torrent]

Eh depends if it's 4Gb or 8Gb really

[steady lance]

2x8GB

the reset button did nothing...

[sudden torrent]

Right, the capitalization was important there
Gb is not GB

[steady lance]

My bad, GB is gigabyte and Gb is gigabit correct?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[steady lance]

fixed.

[sudden torrent]

1 byte = 8 bits so 1GB = 8Gb

[steady lance]

gotcha.

So what should I do if AB refuses to read?

I already tried reinstalling it.

the ram sticks I have look like this incase you somehow know what die this particular stick uses.

[steady lance]

SO MUCH INFO on that DDR4 guide....

[ancient bridge]

Bro go to school😭

[finite frigate]

loser

[ancient bridge]

Real, know me to well.

[finite frigate]

my rig was like this until 4am

(i went to bed at 4:30)

[ancient bridge]

LMAO

How are you awake

[finite frigate]

i wasnt lying bro i do this almost everyday 😭

[short blade]

i have d-die laptop experience

[mental turret]

the only ddie you should be talking about

[short blade]

but my laptop 😦

[mental turret]

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/224856-3-stage-cascade-110c-fs/#comment-640430

[steady lance]

Is there a way to up the power limit on my R7-5700G and if so would it help with performance?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah you can do that under the PBO settings

It's not as simple as setting it to max and calling it done, there's a sweet spot.

[steady lance]

How does one find this sweet spot and would it help with performance?

I am currently seeing my CPU pull about 60w on average on all core workloads.

[scenic vine]

Testing

Bench and compare scores vs different limits

[sudden torrent]

Yep. Run cinebench, record score and limits, adjust, repeat.

My motherboard has a "motherboard limits" setting and if I'm feeling lazy I'll just use that. It sets 275W PPT, 144A TDC, and 192A EDC.

[scenic vine]

https://imgur.com/a/m6Tkjnn

Here's an example

[sterile ridge]

damn you got one of these for 7700x 👀

[scenic vine]

It's the same procedure

[sudden torrent]

Everyone would get slightly different results, even using the same CPU

[steady lance]

Besides extra heat any issues I should be concerned about when increasing the power limit?

[sudden torrent]

It'll only use what it needs so even if you maxed everything out you wouldn't be risking much

Just like the 600W vbios on the 4090, it's not actually using anywhere near that

[steady lance]

Gotcha, in the event it does what would happen out of curiosity?

[sudden torrent]

If a bunch of safeties failed and it actually pushed 400A through the CPU? It'll probably trip the PSU protections first but it might fry the CPU/mobo.

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

[sudden torrent]

There's at least 3 safeties that would have to fail for that to happen

I managed to defeat one with a bent pin I fixed on my old 2700, it stopped reading current but nothing else changed.

[steady lance]

Gotcha

[sudden torrent]

You can see the result of that bug here actually. It thinks it ran at 774W

[steady lance]

......

774w?!

[sudden torrent]

If it was actually at that my PSU would have noped out

It's just a bad sensor

[steady lance]

I'd imagine.

[mental turret]

yet another example of why i never trust what the benchmate window says

[sudden torrent]

That sub got me gold for a while until some jerk slapped a LN2 pot on a 2700

No one else bothered to do LN2 on it lol

[mental turret]

post a link lol

[sudden torrent]

Blew me away https://hwbot.org/submission/5074202_jedi95_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_ryzen_7_2700_14272_cb/

[mental turret]

yea pretty recent