overclocking

[mental turret]

dunno why his content even showed up in my recommended

[zenith palm]

Is he tryna cool a cpu with ice?

[sudden torrent]

dice maybe

The absolutely wrong way

[mental turret]

yea thats dry ice

[mental turret]

he put it in a metal cup with no interface fluid as well

[sly escarp]

Need that for my i9-13900ks with moderate speed DDR5 (since I need 64GB minimum for my workflow and ideally the new 2x48GB GSkill kits coming out)

[finite frigate]

me wen no acetone

is it acetone or am i confused

perhaps confused

[proven canopy]

Acetone works best, but you can use iso

[halcyon copper]

I’m trying to overclock my ram from 3200mhz to 3600mhz I already know my ram can do it but I need like step on step how to do it

[mental turret]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md#finding-a-baseline

some other good info in this as well

[weary ether]

What is the highest possible overclock while undervolting a 13700k

[ancient bridge]

Depends on the bin

All chips are different

And handle voltages/clocks differently

[weary ether]

I see I'm still kinda newish on it

[ancient bridge]

Fair enough

[steady lance]

How does VRMs affect OCing something, could someone explain? Thanks.

[mental turret]

https://youtu.be/oDRHV3qtSWc

You'll have to tune out the random parts of nonsensical rambling though as you listen

[sterile flame]

the rambling is the best part

[sudden torrent]

It shows just how unscripted and stream of consciousness it is. Which a lot of computer people can relate to lol.

I'm guilty of going off on somewhat relevant tangents and ramblings occasionally myself

[mental turret]

When I want to learn, I don't like convoluted, borderline useless and sometimes confusing communication. Utterly inefficient

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[potent fiber]

Overclocking server has a fake ping icon as a joke btw.

[kind walrus]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/overclocking-bug-5800x3d

Don't even try this

[sudden torrent]

We do know that the 3D cache is very voltage sensitive so that might be what died

[kind walrus]

Well people are gonna be curious and try this not understanding that load and stock voltages are entirely different things

[finite frigate]

(both ways)

[kind walrus]

Ofc 1.3V died

[finite frigate]

1.3 is high regardless

[kind walrus]

Yup

[finite frigate]

3dv or not

[sudden torrent]

I'm totally not running my 5800X at 1.3v daily

[finite frigate]

💀 yeah but you probably know the risks

[kind walrus]

Leave it to once again MSI having a means of not giving any damn about the rules

[finite frigate]

i mean i daily my chip at 1.2v, but have i put 1.55v through it? yeah

was that also at 5.4ghz? yeah

[kind walrus]

Lol

11th gen is a bit of a chad for oc tho

[finite frigate]

1.55 is unironically not even degredation level

[kind walrus]

X3D I'd maybe start at 1.1

[sudden torrent]

I've tagged 5.15GHz on mine, 4.8 all core

[kind walrus]

I'd 100% measure fit sv12 and load vid

I dailied my 5900X on 1.2V for days, but that was cos the ai overclocking was auto enabled for static oc

Thanks asus

[finite frigate]

11th is probably the most braindead best for newbs platform to get into if they have a little bit of dabloons

[kind walrus]

Agree

[finite frigate]

(for oc)

[sudden torrent]

Best for DDR4 at least

[finite frigate]

does really good at low voltages, and really good at high voltages

[kind walrus]

I mean zen 4 is supposedly pretty braindead too

[sudden torrent]

fclk decouple disagrees

[finite frigate]

lo

[kind walrus]

Talking about cpu

CO is a lot easier

so I've heard

[sudden torrent]

Ok that I have heard too

[kind walrus]

CO is like, 90% of zen 3 oc effort

Literal pain

[sudden torrent]

Or be me and set -15 all core and call it done

[kind walrus]

Lucky you

I couldn't even

[sudden torrent]

I do have a good sample yes

[kind walrus]

Some of my cores liked -30, some -24, -15- 10 etc

[finite frigate]

i have a market segemented 11700k so sugma

[kind walrus]

My best core liked positive co

Did 5.138 effective

And I remember that number cos I spent ages pushing it

[sudden torrent]

Nice, that's about all you can ask for

Without going sub zero

[kind walrus]

Ya it was like, almost +200

[finite frigate]

yeah, 5ghz zen was kinda like what to expect right?

[kind walrus]

Ya

[finite frigate]

if you had a high bin

[kind walrus]

Even a regular bin

A lot of 5600x's you could dial +200

Then slap on some half baked co

4.85 all day

[sudden torrent]

There would be potentially a small factory increase to the boost bin if you get a good sample

So technically the max boost on a 5800X is 4.7 but mine would do 4.9 out of the box, +200 gets me to 5.1

CO gets me the rest of the way

[kind walrus]

I never really did any extra push with bclk

It's possible there was more

I did up to like, 101?

Got scared for my ssd went back lol

[sudden torrent]

I know mine crashes if I try to push more than 2 cores past 5.15

I'm at my limit for ambient

[finite frigate]

i just sit at 4.9 1.2v

[sudden torrent]

I know you don't mean all core but that would be awesome if it was

[finite frigate]

thats all core lol

not zen

11700k

[finite frigate]

103+ hurts ssds

[kind walrus]

I know

I had a lot of ssds

[zenith palm]

You can't compare clocks across different architectures tho

[kind walrus]

[restive sequoia]

+100 core +1000 memory a very dirty oc

[sudden torrent]

I finally took the time to do a per core CO.
I think I got a good sample. This passes 12H of corecycler, P95 smalfft, and linpack.

[ancient bridge]

Ive yet to take the time

I'm really not looking forward to that.

😭

[sudden torrent]

It has taken the better part of 2 days including testing

[short blade]

have you left it at idle?

3 days at idle revealed some wheas that corecycler couldn’t catch for me

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[short blade]

nice

what’s your boost override?

if that’s at +200 that’s a really good sample

[sudden torrent]

Yes +200

I'm quite happy with this chip, I just wish I could subzero it.

[short blade]

damn

nice sample

my 5800x needed +5 on core 0 for +200 fmax lmao

[sudden torrent]

Core 0 is my "best" core too so if I wanted to push for max clocks on single core I have a leg up, my best core can be the only one active with the others disabled

[proven canopy]

Seems like a great sample

I'll trade ya a dud 5950 or 5800x3d 🙂

[sudden torrent]

Have I mentioned that I LOVE this cooler? This is during R20 all core

[eternal relic]

what clocks?

air?

[restive sequoia]

yes air

[eternal relic]

isnt 2040mhz stock for most cards?

[restive sequoia]

at stock highest i see it boost is 1860

[finite frigate]

that’s not real boost lol

[eternal relic]

stock 2055mhz

[kind walrus]

Melty Ti?

[eternal relic]

[kind walrus]

Melty stonk

[eternal relic]

2055-2100mhz is fairly easy at 1093mV, not sure how much so without power limit bypasses tho never tried that

[restive sequoia]

What's the highest you can go on the memory?

[eternal relic]

my mem is pretty bad, below average

7900Mhz is max i can fully stabalise without weird graphical issues

average should do 8000mhz

my core does 2175mhz stable on water, 2205mhz benchable in everything.

[finite frigate]

my 2070s doing 8200 in its sleep near 16 hours a day 💀

[short blade]

my 1660ti doing 8350

now we need a 1650 that does 9000

[eternal relic]

😔

benchable i can do like 8200

[proven canopy]

Quote the gpuz clocks instead, less confusing

[eternal relic]

fair yeah

[proven canopy]

Somehow squeezed in a top 10 for the 2.5B stage in the gskill comp benching last minute. https://hwbot.org/submission/5244373_

[ancient bridge]

Nice

[finite frigate]

micron? 💀

[eternal relic]

no just very doodoo samsung

[ancient bridge]

Rip

[sterile ridge]

had my cpu jump to 2889 mhz for half a second lol

gonna start to try and manually OC it. timespy score is lacking 😢

[barren ridge]

don't manual oc

just do CO in bios

[proven canopy]

Manual oc all core for TS and most benchmarks, CO negative offset + positive fmax for daily.

[sudden torrent]

I did manage to get my CO tuning within 75 points of my best R20 run but all core still wins

[scenic vine]

Timespy likes flat clocks

[sterile ridge]

Just for benchmarks lol

I like seeing number go up

[barren ridge]

ye for temp stuff like benching it's fine

[undone flame]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09QS2K59B/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3TOECTKC4OEBD&psc=1

ratings?

[kind walrus]

Meh

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4bPQzy/gskill-ripjaws-s5-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5600-cl28-memory-f5-5600j2834f16gx2-rs5k

This is the kit I'd get

Both will do 6400

[proven canopy]

Can't imagine that'd be anything but m-die, yeah?

I think you have a chance for a-die at 6400? and higher gskill if buying new

Can tell from the serial

[kind walrus]

While we're on the subject, a lot of people have told me G.Skill no longer uses m die, would you know if that's true?

If they do that's an m die sku

Ye

[proven canopy]

I've only heard about what kits are guaranteed a-die vs maybe a-die

[kind walrus]

Hm ok

If m die still exists that's 100% an m die sku

If I was looking for A die I look for skus released post like october 10th

[proven canopy]

Possible that as time goes on, no skus are m-die

[kind walrus]

Ye

There's also ripjaws s5 K1 and K2

K2 is new and basically just a die afaik

I've only seen it on amazon listed that way tho

[sterile ridge]

Is overclocking ddr5 worthwhile? Don’t know if it gives meaningful performance uplift

Past XMP :P

[kind walrus]

Does

Quite a bit of an uplift actually

[sterile ridge]

Gonna look into it tomorrow then! If you have any resources that are useful, would love them :)

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/374/1649235161/F5-6000J3040F16GX2-TZ5RK-F5-6000J3040F16GA2-TZ5RK

This is the kit I have now

[kind walrus]

Good kit

[sterile ridge]

Is ram like CPU/GPU where there’s the “lottery” or not? I know that there’s different memory chips(?) that are better than others depending on brand or company but that’s the extent

[kind walrus]

Yes and no

You're mostly board and cpu limited with hynix ddr5

But easy check which type of hynix you have - take a picture of the barcode sticker on the ram and send it here

There's something called an 042 code on G.Skill sticks and if yours ends in M or A it will depict which version of hynix chips your ram has

On 7700X this kinda doesn't matter much? But there are subtle differences

[sterile ridge]

Ends with M!

[kind walrus]

M is good

M is better for daily amd

[sterile ridge]

This kit was marketed for “intel XMP” lol. Funny

[kind walrus]

Meh, xmp are just simple numbers

Intended for a wider range of compatibility

Properly tuned ram will stomp any simple xmp

9 times of 10

[sterile ridge]

Is temps ever a problem? I’ve seen mine get to like 65-75C and with actual like manual I expect it’s higher lol

RAM waterblock ⁉️

[kind walrus]

Hynix m yes, gets pretty hot

I'm not sure for AM5 though, cos can really only push to like, 6200/6400 really for some sensible daily

CL28? It's not much of a leap from the xmp for things that might need voltage

I'm not really the best source for AM5 tbh sorry

[sterile ridge]

Lol ur good. I’ll do some research tomorrow, not sure how big of a change it’ll be since after manual overclock CPU vs PBO and CO the difference was marginal

Just more stuff to check out 😄

[sudden torrent]

11 time out of 10 (because there's always that 1 kit that has to be RMA'd)

[short blade]

you overestimate xmp if you're only saying 9 times out of 10

[kind walrus]

Well I've never tried it but I would wonder if 5333 Kingston ddr4 xmo would be slower than 2133 tuned

Similarly any horrible micron A ddr5 5400 tuned vs like, 8000 g.skill xmp

Just keeping that margin there for some insane extreme I mightn't know about

[short blade]

2133 tuned 💀

I interpreted it as manual vs tuned on the same kit

then again

my goal for this ddr3 I'm working on right now is to beat ddr4-3200c16 xmp

should be easy

[kind walrus]

That would be dope

[short blade]

i'm pretty sure i can do it

or at least get very close on bandwidth

but much better latency is guaranteed

although i suppose it's not really a 1:1 comparison since different cpus

[short blade]

this ddr3 is now doing the thing where it’ll pass 128 cycles pcbdestroyer, 8 hours VST, and 3 cycles of absolut but then the exact same profile will inexplicably fail pcbdestroyer in 30 seconds the next day

I love ram oc

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/on-the-edge-of-the-cliff-cliff-conjuring-warren-mountain-gif-2201309725868276977

^ you about to fall off the edge of stability

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-light-dying-light2-yeet-dropkick-gif-24788660

me kicking him off

[short blade]

i buy random crap ram to oc for "fun" and complain about it when i'm supposed to be having "fun"

i fell off the edge of stability long ago

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/skydiving-kitty-gif-22071287

[proven canopy]

Missed the gskill comp deadline by a few minutes, but I'm happy with a #5 wr using a mem pot I made from scrap copper sheet.
https://hwbot.org/submission/5247306_

[kind walrus]

Damn

You gonna make it in forks?

[proven canopy]

Probably not.

[kind walrus]

Ah sadge

[proven canopy]

We'll see how many of the germans get dq'd for the r15 shennaigans

I got in a 5143 sub before the cutoff, but that's 14th place in the stage

5413 would've been second

[kind walrus]

Oh you still subbed? Oh that's at least got you running for a ram kit

Ez moneys

Hope you do well tho, massive props now that I've seen the amount of time and dedication that gets really put in to this stuff

(It's a comp ofc but well, still surprised a bit lol)

[proven canopy]

Might as well, it's a #5 WR and 107 globals.

[eternal relic]

cheapaz chipz when (i am broke)

[proven canopy]

Yos seems to want to go with 5870, or some other 5xxx card

[eternal relic]

that'd be fun, cheapaz is my fav comp

hope they pick something like tropics like 260 comp, purely gpu bound

[proven canopy]

There are far better choices. Heaven, vantage GPU, ts GPU for dx12, etc

[eternal relic]

fair

i just wana purely do gpu oc and modding, i tend to find gpu modding more fun than the actual benching

[short blade]

@mental turret I think 2800 was the problem

I'm actually getting way better performance at 2666

testing CR 1 and tRDRD 4 right now

was 2 and 6 at 2800

tRRD/tFAW passed overnight at 5/20 instead of 6/24

each cycle now takes 2.75 minutes, down from 3.61 at 2800

[sterile ridge]

goddamn i just manually tuned ram and its like 7% faster vs xmp 😭

[short blade]

only 7%? you have more work to do then

[kind walrus]

Keep going

[sterile ridge]

i just followed someones guide and they said it was pretty safe + they had A die

[short blade]

even the most bottom of the barrel kits should be able to do 20-30% better than xmp depending on the workload

[sterile ridge]

so i can try to make it a lil better

[kind walrus]

Well you had what, 6000 C30 before right?

[sterile ridge]

yep

[kind walrus]

That's a decent increase for ryzen

[sterile ridge]

i didnt adjust the speed just timings

[kind walrus]

Considering where you're at

Ye

[short blade]

even in kits where the primary timings/frequency can't move, most of the performance is in the subtimings

[kind walrus]

Timings is about all you can do

[sterile ridge]

ill just uhhh move each one down a teensy bit one at a time

[kind walrus]

That's the idea

Slowly, carefully

Keep a backup of your windows install while you do this in case something goes way wrong

[sterile ridge]

i see why people dont exactly love doing this since its very tedious

but fun

[kind walrus]

Yeah it's fun seeing genuine improvement

[sterile ridge]

gigabyte bios is so funny
ive seen like 8 typos, 5 or so "no help string"s, and 3 options that lead to nowhere

[ancient bridge]

Bro mine wouldn't even do 2400 with loose timings

Gotta get more dimms

[kind walrus]

Yeah all gigglebite bios' are like that

It's like google translate

[kind walrus]

[sterile ridge]

😭

[ancient bridge]

It's purty tho so that's all that matters

[short blade]

my 4770K couldn't go above 2400 either

[sterile ridge]

somehow I got my XTX to idle at 30W? vram speed isnt like always maxed lol

oh wait

i unplugged a monitor so its just one lol

[ancient bridge]

💀

[sterile ridge]

had to use my whole brain for that one

thought i discovered a hidden tech

[ancient bridge]

So smart

We're all idiots sometimes 😭

[short blade]

it is a hidden tech just unplug your monitor to reproduce it

[sterile ridge]

i was 17 off 29k in timespy

[kind walrus]

Ya and if you run that second monitor plugged in at a low enough bandwidth that idle will still stay low

Like 1080p 60 or something basic

[sterile ridge]

that is probably something i should do

idk why i have it 1080 144

[kind walrus]

Otherwise it's a toss up with vblanks as to the idle draw with a lot of people

And ye higher hz means more memory bandwidth

[sterile ridge]

ill get a second gpu for my other monitor

[kind walrus]

Plug it into your mobo

7700x will run it with igpu

710m go brrrr

[sterile ridge]

RAHHHHHH

only one dude above me

and hes on water

[kind walrus]

Damnnn

That's a good score

Keep goingggg

[sterile ridge]

with PBO only

if i manually oc.....

[kind walrus]

You could but don't daily a static oc

And watch your temps

[sterile ridge]

oh yeah daily i just run all core CO pbo +200

[kind walrus]

Ye

[sterile ridge]

and it never gets over like 65 in gaming

[kind walrus]

You'll need to ask someone what zen 4 static voltage is good for benching, I wouldn't know

(goes double when I have a 3d chip lmao)

[sterile ridge]

oh lmao true yeah

i think i can get a little more juice out of my GPU

[kind walrus]

You probably can

[sterile ridge]

unironically ram timings made my CPU go from like 14.6~ to 15.7

thats kinda wild

[kind walrus]

Ryzen looooves ram tuning

Intel too but you see the big gains on ryzen with ram

[sterile ridge]

didnt even change Tcl Trcd or Trp

but those are super sensitive i think

not quite sure

[ancient bridge]

CMONNNN OPEN YOUR WINDOW OR CRANK THE AC

Something

[sterile ridge]

I had fan speed 100% on everything 😢

ill point my fan towards my pc lol

my CPU seems to not wanna go over 5480~ sustained

[kind walrus]

Turn ac on

Drop room to 16c

[sterile ridge]

Dude in my old house I actually could've

Wish I tried to OC back then

[kind walrus]

Leave ac on overnight at 16c, turn on pc as frozen monolith

Freeze self

But succeed in oc

[sterile ridge]

ill get some blankets

itll be worth

energy bill will ruin me but for the OC its a must

[kind walrus]

"It's just for the world record babe"

"one night, one night"

[sterile ridge]

they need to make an opposite space heater

space freezer

[kind walrus]

[sterile ridge]

It barely crashes at 1020 mV…

if i just keep running it…

I’ll get lucky eventually

[kind walrus]

That's a heck of a good undervolt

Is this the phantom gaming?

[sterile ridge]

Red devil

It can breeze past 1030

[kind walrus]

Dang

What vram setting

[sterile ridge]

1020 seems a bit too low for it but I might get a middle ground

[sterile ridge]

Default, 2770

[kind walrus]

Crank higher

Go 2784

[sterile ridge]

Haven’t played with VRAM yeah

[kind walrus]

Def play with it

Dial it up

Big gains in vram

Try 2784 normal timings

Specifically this number

[sterile ridge]

Why so specific

[kind walrus]

It works in steppings

[sterile ridge]

Ah fair

[kind walrus]

2784 clicks up the vsoc to 1.5 from 1.0 iirc

Vsoc? Memclk?

I can't remember the specifics

[sterile ridge]

Potato potato 😉

[kind walrus]

But a certain number makes a HUGE jump

When you get to 2784

[sterile ridge]

I think I won the lottery with this card tbh since I haven’t had to do some insane tuning

I’m running that rn

[kind walrus]

It's like, 2784, 2796, 2804

2820

And usually people can't go higher

[sterile ridge]

And fast timings are useless correct?

[kind walrus]

Correct

[sterile ridge]

Or like

Not very useful

[kind walrus]

Fast timings often just make things worse

Keep playing with vram

[sterile ridge]

I can already see a minute FPS difference

[kind walrus]

If you hit 35K you've truly won the lottery

Ye

Rdna 3 loves vram scaling

[sterile ridge]

On air that would be INSANE

[kind walrus]

It's possible

[sterile ridge]

mfw overclocking is more fun than actually playing games

[kind walrus]

I mean tbh these cards are basically waterblocked with their abilities

[sterile ridge]

Yeah I’m just running it at max fan speed rn

[kind walrus]

Coolers thick af

[sterile ridge]

And it stays under like 65

[kind walrus]

Yeah, red devil is particularly thick

[sterile ridge]

Core probably gets to like 80

[sterile ridge]

Got an insane open box deal on it

Had to pay like 50 extra vs a XT

[kind walrus]

Niceeee

[sterile ridge]

Graphics score didn’t change much but imma just keep going

🙏

2804 seems to be stable

[kind walrus]

Keep going but add a touch of voltage

You can also be stable but perform worse due to artifacting/minor ecc

[sterile ridge]

Yeah I’ll bump voltage a teensy bit

Graphics score went way down there lol

[kind walrus]

Yeah

Play with it a bit

You might be tapped out on vram

2770 is decent

If not 2776

Iirc that was the step

[sterile ridge]

I’m gonna fiddle with it and see

[kind walrus]

Mine likes 2784 mem, 1.031 vcore

Normal timings

And spikes to like, 550w constant lmao

I think I got 34.3K-ish too but I haven't really properly played with the card yet

[sterile ridge]

My peak was 34.5

But there’s lots of tinkering left

[kind walrus]

[restive sequoia]

seems like this is the best i can do

anyone got any pr scores of a 6800xt

[ancient bridge]

Why a 6800xt?

Oh port royal

[sterile ridge]

Gonna make a custom loop someday just to beat this record

[short blade]

neat

almost done

hopefully

[mental turret]

Dunk rad in ice water

[sterile ridge]

Genius

[sterile ridge]

How’d that work out

[mental turret]

pretty good

gives a decent bit of headroom to push your OC

[ancient bridge]

I want to do this so bad

[mental turret]

[sudden torrent]

Watch out for condensation if you do

[restive sequoia]

Seems like I am winning compared to my friends 3070ti and 3500x

[mental turret]

Barely, if any lol

[sudden torrent]

That's a non-zero chance of killing your CPU still if you don't watch for it

[mental turret]

water collecting on the board from condensation isnt even that dangerous, unless you board is super dirty or something

not like there'd even be enough condensation for that to be a concern 🤓

[proven canopy]

Idk, some people live in the swamp

If a bead of even pure water bridges a few volts, stuff will corrode quickly

[mental turret]

yea it depends on environment for sure

[ancient bridge]

Yea ik lol fans and shop towels

My rooms dry tho so we'll see how it turns out

Thanks tho : )

[eternal relic]

my z690 corroded overnight

[kind walrus]

Sorry what

Did you soak it in chlorine wtf happened

[eternal relic]

the water spillage lol

i told u

[kind walrus]

Eh what spill

When

[eternal relic]

im pretty sure it was already somewhat corroded from lilene owning it, just it was under heatsinks so never noticef

[kind walrus]

Oh

[eternal relic]

my loop leaked lol

[kind walrus]

Oh that

Oh no

💀

Does it still work

[eternal relic]

and board didnt work post cleanup

yeah

[kind walrus]

Nooooo

[eternal relic]

gpu stuck in 8x tho, so i think some corrosion under pcie area

[kind walrus]

Omg

[eternal relic]

im just too lazy to cleanup atm coz 8x dosent really affect 2080ti

[kind walrus]

So it's still good? Or concerning

[eternal relic]

works fine

[kind walrus]

Oh i c

[eternal relic]

done 12100f, g6900 ram and ur 12900kf oc on it so far

950mV really makes non k ram oc a snooze

[kind walrus]

That KF sounds a little degraded

[eternal relic]

it probably is, lilene was using 1.55v and up

[kind walrus]

Might still be possible to run the same clocks tho

[eternal relic]

idrc, it's a daily im gonna run stock lol

[kind walrus]

We find out tomorrow

[eternal relic]

gonna degrade lilene's 13900k as payback

[kind walrus]

[short blade]

i don't think this 4790K is a very good bin

maybe needs a delid/better cooling, dunno

seems to not be capable of 4.6 @ 1.3 stable

[sacred oak]

hey guys question here I have a day one 3080TI FE what mm size thermal pad do I buy

[short blade]

https://kriticalpads.com/nvidia-3080-fe-v2

[sacred oak]

thanks

[short blade]

nvm, I got 4.6 @ 1.3v prime stable

close enough I guess

[steady lance]

I am gonna try my hand at Over clocking tomorrow, should I try CPU or Memory overclocking first?

CPU: R7-5700G
RAM: Oloy DDR4 3000cl16

[sudden torrent]

Memory would be downright boring. If you're lucky you get 3600 c18. Unlucky, 3200c16.

The CPU is fairly easy to overclock too. There's the basic PBO enable that most would be good with, but PBO advanced tuning gets the most gain.

[steady lance]

so cpu first ram second?

[steady lance]

any good tutorials on OC you recommend?

[sudden torrent]

If you know your way around the bios, https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/qik4t3/zen_3_pbo_and_curve_optimizer/

CO tuning is VERY time consuming, but might be necessary to get the full benefit of setting +200 boost override.

Only way to know if you need to is to test though

[short blade]

@mental turret time to reboot and see if it passes again

if it does then these are my final settings

tRDRD 4/5/5
tRDWR 12/12/12
tWRRD 18/5/5
tWRWR 4/5/5
tCKE 1
tREFI 24576
think that's all the timings that aren't visible there

[short blade]

good enough

[mental turret]

My ddie is good

Yippee

[finite frigate]

what’s this r20

i imagine i’d be close to my 2700k cause of the clock diff

4.6 vs 5.2

but avx2

[wind prairie]

13600k 5.2ghz 1.17v on p95/occt

[short blade]

idk i did r20 at 4.8

it was just shy of 6k

[wind prairie]

also 85c but tbf i turned my fan curves down

[short blade]

1.17 bios set or load?

[wind prairie]

load

[short blade]

👍

[wind prairie]

mode 5

40w idle

gpu 25w at idle

[short blade]

40w idle? damn that's a lot

[wind prairie]

i have a yt stream with hw accel off, discord and a vm using 2 cores rn so i wouldnt really say idle but normal use ig

mb

[short blade]

mm yeah that's not idle

[wind prairie]

and 13 chrome tabs total

💀

[delicate crow]

Hey, just OCed my Asus Dual OC 3070 to a 3d Mark Speedway score of 3905 (from 3426 stock). +240 core, +1210 memory. Does that seem like what I should reasonably expect from this card?

With my CPU and any 3070, the listed top score is 4010, avg 3500.

[finite frigate]

in r20? sounds like r23 lol

even with avx2, the 4790k is not a 3x increase from the 2700k 💀

[short blade]

oh

oops

i just got home

checking now

2310 @finite frigate

[mental turret]

Ugh.....

[sudden torrent]

Well don't stop now, keep it running and see how long until you calculate the final digit of pi

[mental turret]

Not going for actual benchmark scores, but haven't been able to get 1T to work quad channel high freq yet

The s2d is definitely easier to work with than the gdie though.

I'll do secondaries and terts as a kit of 4 eventually. Kinda insane to waste the time doing them 1 by 1

[sudden torrent]

You just need more power

https://tenor.com/view/christopher-lloyd-1point21gigawatts-back-to-the-future-doc-gif-9470027

[mental turret]

mmm

[sudden torrent]

Did it... get worse at 1T?!

[mental turret]

Probably just a fluke, I'm retesting it rn compared to 14tras at 1t

Okay, 13 tras is the issue

Not surprising

[sudden torrent]

tRAS? More like trash!
Gottem

I really need to go to bed I'm starting to worry myself

[mental turret]

I'm just gonna stay up

IM TOO FAR GONE

[kind walrus]

HE GOT DAT DAWG IN 'IM

IT'S BARKIN'

[finite frigate]

ah ok that makes sense 💀

[ancient bridge]

What chip is this on

[mental turret]

this is just on x79

[ancient bridge]

Sandy bridge 🗿

[mental turret]

no

[ancient bridge]

No?

[mental turret]

ivy

[ancient bridge]

Ivy

X79 used both right

[mental turret]

yes

[ancient bridge]

You didn't sleep last night huh

[kind walrus]

He did

[ancient bridge]

I saw the sunrise this morning 😭

[kind walrus]

Listening to katy perry

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/the-division-cleaners-fire-gif-16596871

[ancient bridge]

Was just laying there in my bed

Could not sleep

[mental turret]

y

[ancient bridge]

My brain wouldn't stop

Don't start projects before bed

[kind walrus]

Did you listen to california girls

The vid I posted

[ancient bridge]

Oh most definitely

[mental turret]

nope

[kind walrus]

[ancient bridge]

Far I'm setting up a rl craft server

[mental turret]

make sure its 2.9.2

and sweet

i wannna play

[ancient bridge]

Now that I got the port forwarding figured out

[mental turret]

make sure you pregen chunks too

5-10k blocks in each direction

[ancient bridge]

Yea ofc I have that installed alr

Watched a vid to make it easy lol

[mental turret]

when will it be playable

[silent glade]

Can I have ip

[ancient bridge]

Sometime today

[mental turret]

baller

[ancient bridge]

Maybe

[silent glade]

What's the specs of the server going to be

[ancient bridge]

Haswell🗿

[silent glade]

?

[ancient bridge]

Or I can run it on my 5900x but I don't have enough ram for that lmao

[silent glade]

How much ram u got

[ancient bridge]

16gb

Can't play and host at the same time

[silent glade]

Oof

[ancient bridge]

With that much lol

[short blade]

i used to play and host with 8gb ddr3-1333 jedec

[ancient bridge]

Fire

[silent glade]

How

[short blade]

20 player server

[silent glade]

Lol

[short blade]

i5-2410m or something

[silent glade]

Probably not rl craft

[ancient bridge]

Apparently rlcraft needs like 8gb alone

[silent glade]

Then

Yea rlcraft needs alot

[short blade]

this was like 10 years ago

[ancient bridge]

Lmfao

[silent glade]

To play smooth

[short blade]

back in middle school with my school laptop

[silent glade]

No wonder

You need nothing to run original minerals this is modded

[short blade]

it wasn't a vanilla server

but not super heavily modded

[silent glade]

Mods weren't that big back then

[short blade]

also @ancient bridge i'm subbing my 4790K scores now and damn they suck

bad bin and bad cooling

[ancient bridge]

😭😭

[short blade]

ok this is not true

i remember back then still

my server was still very very different from vanilla

[silent glade]

I don't realt remember any big mod that early tho

[short blade]

just didn't install too many performance heavy mods

maybe no single big modpack but mods were def still a big thing

[silent glade]

Main thing with rlcraft it's textures are rough

[short blade]

i never paid attention to big modpacks cause uhh

i could barely run vanilla

lol

[silent glade]

Lol

[short blade]

whoa, how is this worth globals???

did i never run y-cruncher on any of my 7700Ks?

https://hwbot.org/submission/5249872_sips_bleach_seductively_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i7_4790k_1min_28sec_159ms?recalculate=true

[silent glade]

I don't understand what's the point of overclocking

[short blade]

most of my subs on this 4790K are literally worth 0 hardware points so i'm surprised that this is worth globals

[short blade]

fun

well, ram and gpu oc are practical for gaming

cpu oc is basically just for fun

[silent glade]

Is it a lot more performance I was told it tears your cards up usually

[short blade]

you were told wrong then

[silent glade]

Oh

[short blade]

if you know what you're doing then overclocking has no impact on your hardware's lifespan whatever

there's even a type of overclocking that increases hardware lifespan

[silent glade]

When you OC are you just giving your card more voltage?

[short blade]

not necessarily

[mental turret]

[short blade]

i cut my 3090's voltage from 1.1v to 0.825v

while maintaining the same performance as stock

[short blade]

what makes you think it's a good bin

bad cooling is not debatable i literally slapped a $20 air cooler on it

[silent glade]

Well that would be undervolting

[short blade]

undervolting is overclocking

[silent glade]

Don't you run the risk of shorting your card then

[short blade]

...what?

shorting is something that occurs strictly as a hardware level as a result of hardware damage

i don't know where you are learning these thing but do not go back there

[silent glade]

Probably thinking of so.ething else if your parts ain't getting enough juice

[short blade]

if your voltage is too low it will just crash

then you up the voltage or lower the clock and try again

[silent glade]

I'm only in my second semester of IT at college so I'm still learning

[short blade]

i found the stable clock at 0.825v to be 1800mhz

this has nothing to do with IT

your boss will never ask you to overclock or undervolt a dell

[silent glade]

?

[short blade]

linda from finance will never ask you for a liquid nitrogen refill

[silent glade]

Why not tho lol

[short blade]

💀

[silent glade]

It's a joke

We never touched on it in class and my dad tells me not to do it because it tears the equipment up

So I find this stuff interesting

[short blade]

I overclock everything I own

even my laptop has overclocked cpu, gpu, and ram

no issues with any of it

[silent glade]

I was curious what I could do with the OC version for my 7900xtx

[short blade]

there are a lot of good guides out there to get started with

[sterile ridge]

Which one? I might have the same model

And I can help either way

[silent glade]

The asrock

I mean I haven't built it yet and know nothing about OC

[sterile ridge]

Ah ok well if it's not built don't worry yet

But I have a 7700X and 7900 XTX, overclocking can do a lot to help performance in whichever way you'd like

Better temps, better frame rates, and/or better noise levels are the main changes from it

The XTX is fairly easy to overclock

From my experience at least

[silent glade]

Have you had any driver problems. I know at the release there were some idk if it's been fixed or not

[sudden torrent]

From what I've heard major issues are fixed but overclocking is still touch and go

[silent glade]

Oh okay

[sudden torrent]

At least adrenalin isn't automatically overclocking your cpu any more 🙃

[silent glade]

What's adrenalin

[sudden torrent]

AMD GPU drivers

[silent glade]

Are you serious

Wow

[sudden torrent]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-confirms-its-gpu-drivers-are-overclocking-cpus-without-asking

[sterile ridge]

In certain games there’s minor visual bugs(one game)

But that’s it

Otherwise super simple and easy to use

[sudden torrent]

The best part of that

Technically they can't prove you overclocked it but it's still warranty breaking officially

[sterile ridge]

You can achieve some crazy benchmarks for overclocking but day to day it’s minimal improvements

[sterile ridge]

💀💀💀

What a funny story

[silent glade]

Wow

Removes warranty some people must be pissed

[sudden torrent]

I didn't hear about anyone being denied warranty service because of it at least. It's extremely hard to prove the CPU was overclocked.

CPUs rarely die even with PBO on to begin with

[steady lance]

I am gonna try overclocking and I noticed this is for the 5600-5950x not R7-5700g, would it work the same?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/qik4t3/zen_3_pbo_and_curve_optimizer/

[sudden torrent]

More or less the same concepts yes. Just slightly different actual values.

[steady lance]

Oh, okay.

Does CPU overclocking have the same kind of safety limits as gpu?

[sudden torrent]

Nope

[steady lance]

Oh, so setting it to high and I might fry my chip?

[sudden torrent]

It does have a max temp value but you can absolutely fry it with too much voltage

[steady lance]

Got it, so I need to be very carful with voltage then.

[sudden torrent]

CO will be undervolting it so no worries there, as long as you don't manually control the voltage

[steady lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfLr4mN7dw

Any issues with using a video?

I tend to be able to follow along better with videos.

[sudden torrent]

Haven't seen it so I can't say either way

[ancient bridge]

dont follow this as hes setting a static oc on it

thats not good with ryzen unless you're benching

just turn pbo on +100mhz or so depending on your chip

my 5700g was able to do +200 but they all differ

[steady lance]

So keep PBO on?

[ancient bridge]

yes

dont set static clocks like he did

[steady lance]

I am about to start overclocking as I just got done installing OCCT, CPU-Z, and HWINFO.

[ancient bridge]

cool

[steady lance]

Would you mind guiding me through this process as you've used a 5700g before?

I'd really appreciate it!

[ancient bridge]

yea sure what brand motherboard do you have so I can get an idea of the layout

[steady lance]

B550M DS3H and I believe I was told it's the v1.4

Got my phone on, now opening up bios.

In bios.

[ancient bridge]

does it look like this?

[steady lance]

Extremely similar.

[ancient bridge]

does it say easy mode at the top lol

if so press f2

[steady lance]

No.

It's on advanced mode.

Also I really appreciate your help!

[ancient bridge]

good good

[ancient bridge]

yea no prob lol

okay in the tweaker tab click on precision boost overdrive and makes sure its set to advanced if you want to try and tune it

[steady lance]

Done.

[ancient bridge]

otherwise if you just wanna "set it and forget it" make sure its just set to enabled

[steady lance]

I want to tune it.

[ancient bridge]

okay see where it says pbo limits?

[steady lance]

Yes

[ancient bridge]

try +100mhz for now

[steady lance]

Set it to manual?

[ancient bridge]

yes

[steady lance]

PPT LIMIT?

[ancient bridge]

leave the "precision boost scaler" as is

[steady lance]

gotcha.

[ancient bridge]

show me your screen

[steady lance]

I

[ancient bridge]

oh I see lol set it back to enabled or auto

[steady lance]

Okay, may I ask what's happening?

PBO Limits is back to AUTO.

[ancient bridge]

You should be able to adjust your max clocks in boost clock override

[ancient bridge]

I'm not familiar with this bios so just got confused for a second lol but we're essentially allowing the cpu to boost to a higher frequency for longer

[steady lance]

Okay.

Where do I find Boost Click Override?

[ancient bridge]

below curve optimizer

[steady lance]

AMD Overclocking?

Found it.

[steady lance]

I am blind.....

Lmao.

[ancient bridge]

all good

[steady lance]

Okay, what should I set it too?

Enabled (positive)?

Or negative.

[ancient bridge]

yes

then +100

[steady lance]

K.

Ste.

Set.

[ancient bridge]

good

now go to curve optimizer

[steady lance]

K.

[ancient bridge]

try negative 15 on all cores for now

[steady lance]

What does that do?

Also it's set.

[ancient bridge]

undervolts the cpu so lowers temps and power draw and sometimes increasing performance at the same time

[steady lance]

Oh, I thought you needed more volts for higher clocks.

So -15 means minus 0.15v I am assuming?

[ancient bridge]

okay also is xmp/docp enabled?

[steady lance]

Let me double check.

[ancient bridge]

sometimes yes but not always

[steady lance]

What's docp?

Yeah XMP is set to profile 1.

[ancient bridge]

the equivalent of xmp just allows your ram to run at the rated speeds

[ancient bridge]

okay sweet

now save and exit

[steady lance]

Kay.

Now in windows.

[ancient bridge]

open occt

[steady lance]

K

It's open, so I just click the big red button?

[ancient bridge]

set these settings

[steady lance]

Settings set.

[ancient bridge]

the ones i sent?

okay

[steady lance]

Yeah

[ancient bridge]

start and check for errors

[steady lance]

Small
Extreme
Variable
1
Auto
Auto

[ancient bridge]

yuh

[steady lance]

Started.

[ancient bridge]

fire

watch temps btw

[steady lance]

My temps are so low.

[ancient bridge]

good lol

[steady lance]

Probs due to the Push/Pull LT720 with P12s.

How long should I run OCCT?

Average core temps are about 40c.

Oh just noticed that it's an hour long test

So far 6/8 of the cores have managed to hit 4.7ghz.

[ancient bridge]

dont have to run it for that long

im sure @short blade has better ways to test stability

[steady lance]

Is 4.7ghz on 6/8 cores good?

[ancient bridge]

yea not bad, might be able to push further

[steady lance]

I am assuming the reason the other two didn't hit 4.7 is due to bad silicon?

[steady lance]

Think 20m should suffice?

[ancient bridge]

depends on what you call stable lol

try running some games too

[steady lance]

I'd prefer very stable as later on after the next upgrade I am gonna reuse this CPU for a server.

[steady lance]

Thought games were considered a bad way of testing stability?

[ancient bridge]

well only games yes

but its good to test them along with dif softwares

[steady lance]

Ahh okay, would it be fine if ai try synthetic benchmarks then once I hit what seems to be the CPU limit then run games for stability?

[ancient bridge]

yea thats fine ig lol

[steady lance]

How will I tell if a core fails the stability test? At the end of or during the session?

[ancient bridge]

it will give errors

and or crash

[steady lance]

Where will I see the errors?

[ancient bridge]

bottom left corner

[steady lance]

Where it also says when it started?

[ancient bridge]

yes

[steady lance]

Ahh okay.

So far so good then.

[ancient bridge]

sweet

like I said my 5900x was able to do +200 fine

so we'll see what yours can do

[steady lance]

Hopefully I can hit +4.8ghz all core.

[short blade]

if you're using PBO, you should be mostly testing with corecycler and leaving the PC idle

if you're using manual oc, stop using manual oc

[ancient bridge]

hes not

i made sure of that lol

[steady lance]

Thanks again for helping me out Danny.

[short blade]

OCCT/multicore loads in general are not very useful for PBO stability testing

[steady lance]

So I should use CPU-Z or Core Cycler?

[short blade]

cpu-z is not a stability test

[ancient bridge]

I was gonna tell him to do single after but you know me if its stable in game its stable to me lmfao

[short blade]

2 days of corecycler and 2 days of idle overnight, check for any wheas

[steady lance]

Days???!

Can I run anything else while Core Cycler is on?

[short blade]

you can just do it overnight and close it during the day

i did a lot more than 2 days but

[short blade]

you should probably do more than 2 days if you prefer "very stable"

[steady lance]

Oh okay, that's a lot more reasonable. Thought I had to do that like For 2 days straight.

[short blade]

I did it for a month straight lol

[steady lance]

.....

Is there any point to doing it so long?

[short blade]

I wasn't in any rush to swap pcs

[steady lance]

Okay.

In the mean time what are quick tests I can run while I check what frequencies I can boost to?

[short blade]

with pbo you'll see the highest frequencies at idle

just check frequency in whatever your most common workload is

gaming, encoding, whatever

[steady lance]

Any synthetic tests that can do the trick?

[short blade]

why lol

just leave a game open

[proven canopy]

/s ?

[short blade]

nah I was pretty much just too lazy to swap my 5600x rig with a 5800x rig right away

[proven canopy]

I don't understand how those two are connected

[short blade]

I was using a 5600x rig and the 5800x rig was downstairs running corecycler

basically just bought the parts for the 5800x because I found some really good deals

I ended up selling the old PC for more than I spent building it

buyer offered me more than my asking price, not sure why

anyways, 2 days is a reasonable amount of time to call it good

just make sure you check for WHEAs, not crashing isn't enough

[steady lance]

Just did:
+200 MHz
Reverted to default voltage

Time to run it through another round of aoCCT while I eat.

[short blade]

+200MHz doesn't always net maximum performance on zen 3 btw

[steady lance]

What does then?

[short blade]

very common for maximum performance to be at +100, 150, etc

or even lower

[steady lance]

Why is that?

[short blade]

you'll generally need smaller offsets to be fully stable at higher overrides, which will lower performance in heavier loads where the +200 override doesn't really matter

because you won't actually be hitting +200 but you're still stuck with the smaller offsets

if you're going to be running all-core workloads using it as a server, you'll probably get better performance out of a lower override

[steady lance]

What do you mean by offset?

[short blade]

curve optimizer offsets

[steady lance]

Oh. So you meant that it won't always hit those increase in clock speed and still be stuck at the given voltage?

[short blade]

how do i put this

my 5800x needed +5 to core 0 to be fully stable with +200 override

it would hit a maximum of 5.05ghz at idle

but all core clocks would only be 4.55-4.6ghz

if i used an offset of +0, i could have run more aggressive offsets and gotten an all-core clock of probably 4.65-4.7

[steady lance]

So extra voltage is needed to be stable at higher clocks for single core but it would sacrifice all core performance and if I used a lower voltage it would help for all core?

[short blade]

yeah

pretty much

[steady lance]

So I should Undervolt for better all core?

[short blade]

curve offsets = undervolting

you don't actually want to apply a negative voltage offset on zen 3

you want to use curve optimizer to do it per core instead

[steady lance]

Even if it's for an all core boost?

[short blade]

yes, because each of your cores have different silicon quality

for example, my curve was
Offset: +200
PPT: 160
TDC: 140
EDC: 140
Core 0: +5
Core 1: -18
Core 2: -23
Core 3: -13
Core 4: -23
Core 5: -15
Core 6: -18
Core 7: -16

[steady lance]

Ahhh okay.

So I should try +200mhz then configure each core's voltage till it hits the extra +200mhz boost?

[short blade]

how much time do you want to spend on this

[steady lance]

I got all night.

And I wouldn't mind spending some time on it tomorrow as well.

[sudden torrent]

Do +200 and run corecycler. Any threads that crash, do a positive offset, they need more volts. The threads that don't crash start doing a negative offset. Start around -10 for the good cores and test again. If they crash, start edging back to 0 until it's stable. Otherwise you can keep going into the negative, testing each time.
This does take a LONG time. It took me about 2 days including testing time.

https://github.com/sp00n/corecycler

A single pass of corecycler takes 10 minutes per core. Once you think it's stable you'll want to run it overnight.

[steady lance]

Got it, so each session will take 80m for all cores to pass correct?

[sudden torrent]

If you let it test each core each pass yes

[steady lance]

Is there a faster way?

[sudden torrent]

If you get a couple threads that crash then you can just stop the test and adjust in bios before running again

[steady lance]

Gotcha.

What type of positive offsets should I do?

+10?

[sudden torrent]

While you're finding the stability point you might just do a 30 minute run and get 2 threads that crash, that's when you stop and adjust

Maybe +5

And if it's still not stable go higher

[steady lance]

Got it.

How do I use CoreCycler?

[sudden torrent]

Double click run corecycler.bat

It starts automatically with default settings

[steady lance]

this one?

[sudden torrent]

yes

[steady lance]

this look right?

[sudden torrent]

Yep

Oh 6 minutes per core. Hm, I thought it was 10.

[steady lance]

it still says starting?

[sudden torrent]

Where?

[steady lance]

top left

[sudden torrent]

Oh that's just how cmd windows work

They don't erase old lines, just scroll down

[steady lance]

Oh okay, how will I know if a core passes or not?

Will an error message show up at the bottom?

[sudden torrent]

It'll tell you yes

[steady lance]

also not sure if it's an issue but so far no new lines have been shown?

nvm

[sudden torrent]

That's fine, it's still running

[steady lance]

right as I said that new lines showed up

22:59:17 - Completed the test on Core 5 (CPU 10)
22:59:17 - Set to Core 4 (CPU 8)
Running for 6 minutes...

So no issues then?

on Core 5.

[sudden torrent]

No immediate issues at least

Stable enough for now on that core until the long test later

[steady lance]

Aight.

After +200 passes on all the cores then I run it over night and if no issues occures I should then try +300?

[sudden torrent]

There is no +300

You'd go into curve optimizer and tell it to do a per core setup

Negative offsets for cores that don't crash, positive for those that do

When you're entering numbers in the fields, it's always as a positive number. The negative sign is applied automatically for a negative offset.