overclocking

[kind walrus]

Not vddq a0

Vdd a0

[sterile ridge]

Ohhhh yikes I’m blind

[kind walrus]

Leave mode synced

I don't see how effective this would be tho as it's more likely a measure of your infinity fabric

[sterile ridge]

Also I noticed the settings “Low latency mode” and “XMP/EXPO High Bandwith Support”

Do I leave those alone?

[kind walrus]

I have zero zen 4 experience I'm not sure

Maybe wait until there's someone who has

[sterile ridge]

Yeah best to just leave those alone for now then lol

Well with the voltage change it seems to be running perfectly

[kind walrus]

"perfect" I wouldn't be so sure

I would do a memory test

Download occt

Then go to the cpu test section

On the bottom left

Try cpu test large, extreme, variable

Change sse to avx2

Then go to advanced settings(?) And choose start at cycle 18

[sterile ridge]

I ran testmem5 anta777 extreme for 10 minutes and it was working when before it crashed instantly, I'll do that as well to see

[kind walrus]

You can do that test instead tbh

[sterile ridge]

I ran it for a while and it was good but I'll do this as well just to be sure

[kind walrus]

Supposedly not as accurate as occt but if you know how to run that one then I would do that

Run it for at least a couple hours

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that's how we figured out it was memory errors, using TM5

It would blue screen the whole system

[kind walrus]

Keke

That sounds right

[sterile ridge]

Is 75-83 C under load good for a cpu??

Wanna make sure I’m not frying my PC

[sudden torrent]

For AM5? Yeah that's great

[sterile ridge]

It’s sitting around 80 rn

[sudden torrent]

AMD decided running at 95C was normal and expected lol

[sterile ridge]

Typical

I got a beefy cooler and good case at least

Gonna run this for an hour and hope I’m good then 😭

Running at around 5950 mhz CL 36

Beautiful 🥲

[kind walrus]

I would do more than an hour

[sterile ridge]

The limit for OCCT free is an hour 😭

I’m not tryna become a patron

[kind walrus]

Oh i see

I thought you were doing tm5

Lmao

[sterile ridge]

Yeah I was but that’s just testing ram

I think?

[kind walrus]

Occt large is still ram

Ram and imc

Both are

[sudden torrent]

OCCT has a "power test" that loads the whole system

[kind walrus]

Yeah you won't be fully loading the cpu

[sudden torrent]

And you can run each test individually at the same time

[kind walrus]

But the ram and imc? Ye loaded

[sterile ridge]

It’s saying 100% 😭

[kind walrus]

Ye but it's not a full load

Maybe I'm not making a lot of sense rn

Yes it's 100% utility but it's not full tilt

[sterile ridge]

I’m not the smartest with stress tests so I’ll assume you’re right

[sudden torrent]

Stress test loads use different instructions sets to try to trigger problems

[sterile ridge]

That makes sense

[kind walrus]

Full cpu tilt would be occt small instead of large

Or prime 95

(P95 isn't too hard on zen tho)

[sudden torrent]

OCCT CPU test would use the AVX instruction set normally unless you tell it otherwise

It doesn't need AVX instructions to move data around the memory

[sterile ridge]

I’ll open a chrome tab hopefully that adds some more load 🙏

[kind walrus]

No don't: 💀

[sterile ridge]

It is saying physical memory load is only 20%

Is that ram or the memory on the cpu?

[kind walrus]

Yes physical memory is more related to cpu iirc

[sudden torrent]

You'd want to tell it to use 80-90% before a memory test starts

[kind walrus]

Wait how much ram usage was set?

Oh god I FORGOR

[sterile ridge]

I might’ve uhhh not changed it lol

[kind walrus]

Haha

Ok restart

So to 90-95%

Just 90 actually

[sterile ridge]

So memory tab at 90?

[kind walrus]

Ye

Your cpu temps about to dial hard

[sterile ridge]

Alright now I’ll run this for a while lol

[kind walrus]

[sterile ridge]

It was at 80% before weirdly enough

But clearly not because it was way lower on the actual test

Pray for my pc

It says cpu usage 100% but it’s sitting at 43 C lol

[proven canopy]

I like using ycruncher vst these days

Catches errors faster than 2.5B

[kind walrus]

Weird zen 4 moment

[sudden torrent]

Yep that's because it's fully utilized cpu power but it's not using a stressful set of instructions to do so

Not like games or a CPU test would do

[sterile ridge]

Interesting to know

How will I know if there’s a problem?

I’m assuming if I blue screen

[proven canopy]

idk, something else seems off about that

Those cores should be running hot, probably looking at the wrong temp

[kind walrus]

Agree

[proven canopy]

avx, avx2, avx512 - even amd's avx512 will draw the most power

[kind walrus]

Maybe it's not loaded the test properly?

[sudden torrent]

It'll report errors in the log on the left

[proven canopy]

@sterile ridge Just post screenshots

[sudden torrent]

And the green check will turn to a red x

[sterile ridge]

it did not like me trying to take a screenshot

one sec

[proven canopy]

The memory test isn't as power hungry on the cpu

[sterile ridge]

my cpu fan is barely running lol idek

yeah im testing for ram OC anyways so 🙏

[proven canopy]

Is sse the default for the mem test? @sudden torrent I don't use occt

[sterile ridge]

once i get it all sorted out though I do wanna run some more general benchmarks just to see how good my PC runs, just dont know what programs to use

[sudden torrent]

AVX2

[sterile ridge]

I had it on auto

I'll switch to that then :)

ok well I tried to switch to the all instead of just temperature tab and it crashed the program LOL

[sudden torrent]

AVX2 is auto

Auto just means use AVX2 if it's supported, or else use SSE

[proven canopy]

his screenshot shows sse

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that happens when the memory is full

[sterile ridge]

i checked settings and it was on auto, ran AVX2 and it was the exact same so idk

[sudden torrent]

Hmm, maybe they changed it in a recent version because my auto did AVX

My version predates AM5 though so

[proven canopy]

What's wrong with the pc?

[sudden torrent]

Memory errors and blue screens when using expo but not jedec

Other people reported increasing voltage helped

[sterile ridge]

I did so and it seems to be helping, just running tests to make sure

[proven canopy]

http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/#Download

Put that in the folder and run it

[sterile ridge]

Will do 🫡

[proven canopy]

I'd open hwinfo on the side, send a screenshot after 30s

This is a very hot test, expect it to hit thermal limit in a few seconds

[sterile ridge]

Benchmark pi?

[proven canopy]

Run the bat

[sterile ridge]

Not quite sure how to do that, do I just open with y-cruncher?

[proven canopy]

Put the bat in the ycruncher folder, double click the bat

[sterile ridge]

Says "Invalid Parament: -VST"

[proven canopy]

oops, delete the -

[sterile ridge]

In the name? It doesn't have one for me

[proven canopy]

edit it

[sterile ridge]

ahhh ok thanks sorry

[sudden torrent]

@proven canopy Did you mean for that to be for a 16GB kit because he has 32GB and it's only using 68%

[proven canopy]

Good core+mem quick stress test
Put the vst.bat in the ycruncher folder and run it.
http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/#Download

Run this for a few minutes to get memory in the ballpark of stability, then move on to tm5/memtest overnight.

[proven canopy]

Yeah, larger probably catches things faster

I think this is the best quick mem test, then move on to overnight tm5/memtest

[kind walrus]

Forks weird question, how do I test for game clocks?

[proven canopy]

wdym

[sudden torrent]

Run a game?

[kind walrus]

If render or synthetic is too strong, can I reliably test with something that would be similar? Let's say, GT2 TSE loop

It's a weird question but tryna make a little sense of the KS when I do VF curves

[sudden torrent]

Time Spy has the advantage of giving easy to read reports on max and average clocks during a test, as well as graphs

[kind walrus]

Maybe cpu tests on loop?

[proven canopy]

tse cpu test is very light on core and doesn't touch mem much

[sudden torrent]

Sure, that'll give you repeatable results too

[kind walrus]

Ye I know, that's my point

I want it to be light intentionally

Or is this a moot idea?

[proven canopy]

Try valley

[kind walrus]

Valley?

Oh unigine

Ok I'll have a look

[restive sequoia]

valley is a gpu test?

[proven canopy]

kinda

[eternal relic]

i just use y cruncher n32,n64, and vst for imc.

telling people to open y cruncher and type
0, 1, 15, 16, 18, 0
for each command is helpful

[eternal relic]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cmhn2owm7Lo

DDR5-11136 validation

[mental turret]

this chip was so bad.

oh apparently i forgot to sub some scores I got during the october meet LOL

[zenith palm]

👀 11135mt/s ram go brr

[sudden torrent]

Yep look 2 messages up

Pretty impressive results from hicookie as always

[zenith palm]

Ahh i didn't see that lol

In that vista?

[sudden torrent]

xp prob

[scenic vine]

LN2 memtest

[kind walrus]

Imagine dialing back ur windows 15 years just to get the most stability

Best windows tho

[sudden torrent]

Is it only 15 years? I thought it was close to 20 by now

[kind walrus]

You know what you're right

You reminded me that it's 2023 not 2020 and covid did indeed happen

[sudden torrent]

🙃

[kind walrus]

DAMMITTT

Alphacool released a reference waterblock today

not the xfx aib

AAAAA-

[zenith palm]

Tell them to do gooder

[kind walrus]

all reference go brrrr

[kind walrus]

hehe 13900KF go brrrr

(461W! )

[pallid nest]

I don't think we have coolers for 461w

[zenith palm]

41w too much

[kind walrus]

I'll 41W u in a second

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/69-gif-23047473

[zenith palm]

Oh no you'll make me a whole 1c warmer xD

[kind walrus]

That's right

I'll give you the felix fever

[zenith palm]

Or 8w more your choice

[kind walrus]

I'd enjoy 8W more

But weirdly changing boards with the same cooler is giving me a little more headroom

No idea about clocks tho, haven't tried anything in this one yet

[zenith palm]

That's pretty standard from what I've heard

[kind walrus]

Probably a tolerance thing

[eternal relic]

461w is easy to cool

on gpus...

[restive sequoia]

are these your avg 6700xt clocks or are they higher then usual?

[ancient bridge]

Thats average

If you unlock power it will boost a lil higher

Got mine to 2.85 - 2.9 rn manually

[pallid nest]

@ancient bridge danny

[ancient bridge]

Yea

[pallid nest]

So when I had OSD on and I was playing game said my gpu was doing 2.8Ghz core and mem at 11Ghz at with my gpu voltage at 1.075v so is that boosting

[short blade]

for any owners of the msi pro z690-a ddr4, don't update to newest bios v1A0, it's a complete waste of time, stay on v190

my 13700K is getting 50mV more than the last bios with the same settings, 1.380v adaptive in bios now results in 1.41v idle compared to 1.36v idle

[modern walrus]

does it affect SA voltage?

[short blade]

no

[modern walrus]

I wonder why they upped vcore then

maaaaybe for KS microcode?

or maybe the boss asked them to work on U-X BIOS so they had to come up with something else to do

[zenith palm]

Sounds like they didn't mean to anyway

[sterile flame]

I have killed my gtx 260

[eternal relic]

i killed mine within my first bench, core or vram ded

[mental turret]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-issue-comically-large-spoon-spoon-gif-22697060

[potent fiber]

My xlr8 was oc'd to 700ish I think & still working 2+ yrs before I upgraded to a 660 of all things.

[mental turret]

I degraded my 1680 V2 so bad by the time I ran it on LN2

major skill issue

[eternal relic]

i attached voltmeter and benched it once and it passed with expected results at stock

then i reran for a 2nd baseline and it crashed and artifacted

[mental turret]

[eternal relic]

vram or core dieded

[mental turret]

Someone made a bet for 5 dollars that I couldn't beat their AIO r15 g3258 sub with one of my g3258

Guess I'm getting a free 5 dollars for minimum effort

[sudden torrent]

r15? really? ez clap

[mental turret]

What's wrong with r15 lol

[sudden torrent]

Nothing, just older hardware likes it better than newer like r23

[mental turret]

Well yea, 2 haswell threads would make r23 insanely boring not to mention using it over r15 would be redundant

[eternal relic]

cb 2003

[pallid nest]

i'll bet you this cooler

[mental turret]

no way this is real

[sudden torrent]

Seems legit, that's totally what those official logos look like

It's the thermal paste that's 5.99 the cooler is 76

https://www.amazon.com/Dracaena240mm-Radiator-Leak-proof-Technology-Cooling/dp/B09JG4TTP2?th=1

They just listed the thermal paste on the same listing as the cooler to grab your attention, clearly it worked

[eternal relic]

i hate that so much

[sudden torrent]

It's officially below freezing outside. Time to move the PC to the porch and do some benching

[mental turret]

ill be expecting good scores

take pictures

[potent fiber]

Yep 48F in my house wasn't cold enough. Although, pc helps slightly warm bedroom ( 1-2F

[sudden torrent]

Run salad for free heat

[sudden torrent]

4.9 all core is booting, previous best was 4775

Idling at 8C

[mental turret]

have you subbed anything to hwbot before

[sudden torrent]

R23 crashed, moar volts

[mental turret]

whats your current best sub

[sudden torrent]

You can check my hwbot profile, I don't have internet while I'm benching

[mental turret]

whats your usenrma

e

[sudden torrent]

Same as here, I'm on team wegg also

[mental turret]

alr

which chip are you running

5800X?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah

I gave away the 2700

[mental turret]

oh you're 3rd fastest for that chip on r23 multi w/ AIO

https://hwbot.org/submission/4820725_lorichic_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_ryzen_7_5800x_16883_cb this is first place guy

[sudden torrent]

I'm about to yolo this chip at 1.4v

It should survive at least but might degrade

[mental turret]

barely lol

[sudden torrent]

1.35v crashed at the very end of the test

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

I'll let it chill out and try again

I'm amazed what a difference a little freezing weather will do

[mental turret]

Guys in 1st/2nd place with same cooling as you were running >1.4V

[mental turret]

do ice water, more worth the effort than just cold air

[sudden torrent]

Were they clock stretching though

[mental turret]

as in?

[sudden torrent]

Like it's set for 5.2 but effective is 4850

[mental turret]

no

[sudden torrent]

When I get my custom loop

[mental turret]

Nah its worth it just with an aio

what aio are you using

[sudden torrent]

LF2 420

[mental turret]

perfect

do ice bucket

I did it with a clc 360

[sudden torrent]

I don't have a bucket big enough for this behemoth

[mental turret]

well a cheap plastic bucket from walmart will be plenty good

cooler i mean

get a cooler lol

[sudden torrent]

16870

At 1.425v

[mental turret]

very close to first place

with AIO i mean

[sudden torrent]

Reran, 16943

AHHHH it won't save

[mental turret]

[sudden torrent]

16931

Saved, running R20 now

[eternal relic]

does this still count as enthusiast league?

or does it pump u to apprentice

ive always been hazy about apprentice rank specifics

[sudden torrent]

Yes because it's ambient cooling

[eternal relic]

[sudden torrent]

6561 on R20

[eternal relic]

benching 5800x?

[sudden torrent]

Yep got it to 4.9 all core

2825 R15

[mental turret]

congrats

[sudden torrent]

Y cruncher straight crashed the system, not even a blue screen just dead

[eternal relic]

cinebenches r probably what i do most consistently coz theyre fun

i dont really have any chips that get my many points in them tho lol

[eternal relic]

average y cruncher moment

[sudden torrent]

As long as you get a good amount of points compared to others with the same chip 👍

[eternal relic]

i dont have any popular chips 😔

[sudden torrent]

All the more reason to bench them for free points

[eternal relic]

i used to do that a lot lol, burnt out of benching for 6 points a sub

[sudden torrent]

When I get around to it I'll bench my laptop, I upgraded it to a dual core turion lol

[eternal relic]

idek what that is

[sudden torrent]

Exactly

[eternal relic]

hah

[sudden torrent]

No one ever had the CPU because it was never an option in the s3g4 socket except as an upgrade

Back when you could upgrade laptops

[eternal relic]

im not old enough to even know the turion name

[sudden torrent]

Circa 2006 laptop moment

[eternal relic]

yeah, i was 3

[scenic vine]

new pb

This board is crying rn though

320w average in timespy gt2

peaks of 360w

on the begger intel LE board

[eternal relic]

i cant believe ur putting effort into ur arc card

[scenic vine]

Boredom does many things

[eternal relic]

im trading mine for a 2080ti trio tomorrow lol

gonna do some nvlink stuff

2nd best card for 2 way, right behind titans

[ancient bridge]

Who trades there 2080ti for a arc card😭

[sudden torrent]

Probably arc+cash or something

[night grail]

in synthetics arc performs same as a 2080ti stock at much lower power draw

but in actual gaming perf is all over the place

[tall pelican]

and behind 3090 and 3090ti

https://tenor.com/view/spit-funny-frowning-grumpy-gif-14501018

[eternal relic]

i forgot those cards were a thing 🥴

[eternal relic]

im trading a750 + $100 for a 2080ti lol

[sudden torrent]

Called it

[eternal relic]

should be good points

hope card can bench at least 2160 average range without cap modding it, tho the card does have a bunch if empty pads

[pallid nest]

Intel lover duh

Also arc was good said brutus

[ancient bridge]

It's an a750

But there adding more money so

[eternal relic]

when has brutus ever been correct tho

[sudden torrent]

It is, on modern dx12 and vulkan games. On dx11 support gets more hit and miss, dx9 support is almost non-existent.
There's a dll you can download that converts older games to vulkan instructions, I'd be interested to see how that goes.

[pallid nest]

yea

[pallid nest]

bruh

rude

[pallid nest]

bruh

what is that

[eternal relic]

Brutus reacted with :thinkHD:

[pallid nest]

oml

[scenic vine]

Actually dx9 was majorly improved in a driver update

[sudden torrent]

I'm sure it has been. But there's still plenty of games I play still that have no support in sight.
If I were to try arc gaming I'd be making heavy use of the dxvk translator.

Dxvk is nice to have on steam deck too btw, since vulkan is cross platform it handles the dx instructions elegantly.

[eternal relic]

im sure it'll get pretty good with time but i just cant be bothered with the card, matching 2060 performance at a $500 aud price tag is doodoo

expecially when u factor in all the issues with it, main one being having to have a mobo that supports rebar

[sudden torrent]

That rebar thing is a non-issue if you have a relatively recent platform. There's even mods for X79 bios I've heard that enables it and that's 10 years old. Officially speaking you need Intel B360 or AMD B450 or newer (5 year old platforms), and corresponding HEDT platforms.

[tall pelican]

bigger issue is needing to disable csm if you have a legacy install of windows

[mental turret]

Some boards like the p9x79e-ws I have support rebar natively

It's also easy to get working on x99

Miyconst has a lot of videos about stuff like that

[proven canopy]

Why would you need an fm radio in a model t?

[eternal relic]

did not know anything older than skylake could do rebar, wild

[mental turret]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5183291_farawaythrower_cinebench___r15_pentium_g3258_387_cb

[scenic vine]

$5 for 1 point

[mental turret]

lmaooo

[pallid nest]

[eternal relic]

LOL

hahahha with lower clocks too

[mental turret]

[flint plover]

is pushing 1.4V with 4xDDR5 more risky since it's 4 sticks?

[zenith palm]

Wether a voltage for a die is safe or not matters has nothing to do with the amount of sticks just the die, the imc voltage would depend a lil bit running 4 sticks instead of 2 sticks

[flint plover]

as in imc would need to be higher? wanting to get my sticks all at 6000MHz since that's their rated spec but I saw errors with default XMP settings and had to drop everything down to 5800MHz which has worked fine so far

[zenith palm]

Z690 board?

4 sticks is pretty hard to run in general, if you can you should return the kit and get a 2x16gb kit btw

[dull ginkgo]

probably want to increase vccsa / io first

[sudden torrent]

If it's Z690 then you'll be lucky to get 4800 with 4 sticks

[flint plover]

it is z690 and 5800 seems to be working OK, maybe I'll stress test it more

[sudden torrent]

I guess more recent bios versions could help with the issue, it's been a while since testing was done that I've seen

But that's definitely why 6000 isn't working

[flint plover]

I haven't tried anything over the 1.35V yet so it would be nice to at least know if 1.4 would work I just don't know what safe increases would be when it's 4 sticks since it seems like most people are using 2

[sudden torrent]

Number of sticks doesn't affect safe voltage range

But it may affect how much VCCSA you need

[flint plover]

the sticks are sk hynix die, not sure about anything beyond that. so is that what i'd base safe voltage ranges on?"

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[proven canopy]

hynix ddr5 doesn't really have a "safe" voltage limit, you'll just stop scaling or run into temp limits before you hit it. Most ddr5 cpu/vdimm voltages are like that.

[flint plover]

well my bios turned the numbers red when I put it at 1.4V so I dropped it down to 1.39V and it's passing stability tests now at 6000MHz so I'll take it!

[sudden torrent]

Red numbers just mean "this is overclocking be careful"

Nice that it's working for you though

[proven canopy]

1.4 vdimm turned red? That's strange, sure you didn't set something else?

There are plenty of kits with 1.4 vdimm xmp on ddr5

[sterile ridge]

Might be a silly question, but does overclocking CPU, GPU, and RAM lower the lifespan of any of them? And if so, is it a reasonable amount?

Assuming it’s all stable

[kind walrus]

1.4 turning red doesn't mean anything, hynix can go way above that just fine

[zenith palm]

Only if you push unsafe voltages

[frigid cedar]

Gotta question for any ddr5 "experts" I bought a completely generic corsair vengeance ddr5 5600mhz when it released and have it at 6000mhz with the timings as low as it can stably memtest but recently I heard that some pmics don't always work well with all vendors so does anyone have a recommendation for what sticks I should buy for the best pmic or maybe ddr5 chip manufacturer for a gigabyte z690?

For all I know someone's already tested that hynix or samsung may have an advantage on gigabyte bios and gigabyte training

[sterile ridge]

Does "unsafe voltage" change depending on the individual product?

[frigid cedar]

Id* say yes and no many people daily 1.4 and 1.45 for daily on cpu and ram but past 1.5 you can get degradation especially with poor cooling

And most gpus like modern amd uarch where you can manually adjust voltage usually caps at 1.2 which is definitely safe if you are worried about lowering it

But otherwise by the life span of your computer feel safe If a special 1.4 or 1.45 ram kit has your eye

[zenith palm]

Completely, 1.5v is safe on some ram dies, not on others and if you pushed 1.5v into a cpu or gpu 🔥

[sterile ridge]

So I could reasonably go to 1.35-1.4 on ram and cpu?

[zenith palm]

I haven't heard anything along the lines of this although yea if you can get a refund and a different kit i would, what country?

[zenith palm]

It highly depends

[frigid cedar]

Oh yeah discrepancy for things like ddr3 or engineered for 1.5 ddr4

Sorry for that

[zenith palm]

You just have to go on a component by component basis

[frigid cedar]

USA if I'm reading that correctly

[kind walrus]

ryzen would 💥

[sterile ridge]

Yeah I’m on 7700x 😭😭😭

[kind walrus]

yeah no, don't go setting manual voltages on zen 4

stick to pbo and co

let the cpu figure itself out while you tell it the limits basically

[zenith palm]

If you're aiming for 6000mhz
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kRZ9TW/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-alpha-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl38-memory-flabd532g6000hc38adc01
But personally I'd spring for this especially if you wanted to manually overclock
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/d7t9TW/gskill-trident-z-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239g16gx2-tz5s

Pbo and curve optimizer is great ye

[frigid cedar]

Yeah I guess making a 5600mhz kit run at 6000 and tightening it's timing definitely wouldn't beat trying with a plain higher bin so thank you

[kind walrus]

eh not particularly

the gains you get from running a better bin won't be significant

definitely not enough to justify a whole new kit imo

[zenith palm]

Well the 6400 kit could probably get up to around 6800mhz if you're lucky

[zenith palm]

Well as i said only if they can return the og kit

[frigid cedar]

Working with a 12900k could I look into 6600 or 6800 and if it won't boot at full speed downclock it?

[kind walrus]

what mobo?

[frigid cedar]

Z690 aorus xtreme

[kind walrus]

I'm not familiar with aorus xtreme specifically but gigglebit z690 has had a lot of ddr5 performance issues

[zenith palm]

Nono that was ddr4 issues at the start iirc ddr5 was fine

[frigid cedar]

As of the newest bios I can't lower the timings as far so you got that right😂

[kind walrus]

nyope

[zenith palm]

Oh ddr5 issues too?

[kind walrus]

ddr5 has been on gigglebit z690 always the lowest of the lot

don't ask me about the way out there brands like colorful tho

[faint tangle]

Can confirm

[frigid cedar]

Oh yeah my round trip has went from 60 to 70 from release bios to f21

Definitely not good

[zenith palm]

You have a ddr4 msi board no?

[faint tangle]

Yes, but it was a big issue gigabyte had on z690s

[zenith palm]

Anyway with a hynix kit (the 6400 one) you should be able to tighten timings and up mhz

[faint tangle]

They fixed it though

[kind walrus]

so I would say you'd probably hit the limits of the board quicker than the kit, the binning may help a little bit but imo not really gonna gain much at all

[frigid cedar]

I think I'll take that recommendation it was an 800 dollar board so I'm not keen on replacing my overpriced copy of aorus master lmao

[zenith palm]

800$ board 💀

My condolences

[kind walrus]

xtreme not cheap no 💀

you could still sell it for a decent amount most likely

[zenith palm]

Man i cringe when i see people buying 250$ boards ouch that hurt my wallet xD

[kind walrus]

a $250 z790 would probably do better in this scenario

lol

won't look as clean but ☠️

[frigid cedar]

Two slot board you think?

[kind walrus]

2 slot boards are on the whole far better

only aqua oc and unify x are the ones with any troubles afaik

[frigid cedar]

If we're basing this on ddr5 performance

[kind walrus]

even then they still go ham

to give good perspective

a z690 kingpin does 7200 hynix m

you're struggling with 6000 💀

[frigid cedar]

I mean like I'm already owning only 2 sticks so yeah I could transfer it

[kind walrus]

but you need to also ask yourself this

is it worth not just the physical but also the time investment

gonna take you a long time to do it all over again lol

you sure you have hynix sticks?

samsungs also do 6000

[frigid cedar]

No these are samsung die we were just talking about replacing them with 6400mhz hynix

[kind walrus]

ah

bleh yeah

changing to hynix might give a little boost then yeah, but only really if you can net zero or close

[sudden torrent]

Very few people will actually benefit from faster ddr5

[kind walrus]

yeah, we are talking about single digit differences at most

[frigid cedar]

A 2 ns difference is enough to get my interest 😂

[kind walrus]

so yeah it'd be board and ram then which isn't really worth it

[dull ginkgo]

@modern walrus Got this stable through occt, had to loosen rdwr's and wrrd's to get it to boot, any thoughts on what I should try for those?
Primaries are bad but I'll tighten primaries later

6400g2

[kind walrus]

[dull ginkgo]

Actually I'll go tighten primaries now and try to get faw and cwl down

[frigid cedar]

I usually boost trefi to 65000 or so for a good boost it was my old limit before gigabyte fully unlimited it

[kind walrus]

my trefi is like, 128000 or something rn

idk not at the pc to tell you lol

[frigid cedar]

The upper limit is like 200000 and you can lose data around the top isn't it?

[kind walrus]

mhm

top is only a little above 128k on mine

I'm still testing tho but seems stable

[frigid cedar]

Well that's good sucks memory is so tedious

Gotta test for stability

Absolutely

[frigid cedar]

Those got me some pretty great cinebench r23

[kind walrus]

cinebench is like, completely lethargic to memory

you'll gain maybe two digits of points between a full overclock and xmp

[frigid cedar]

It goes up as I clock the memory from 5600mhz so must just be a bandwidth thing

[kind walrus]

I'd say that was something else at play lol

[frigid cedar]

My score with looser timings was like 28256 and before the oc It was 27890 or so

[kind walrus]

that can be difference in ambient temperature lol

[frigid cedar]

I can't use Aida since that shows inaccurate speeds so I just went for cpu benchs

[kind walrus]

use intel mlc gui

it's a good ddr5 speed test

[modern walrus]

your kit is XMP 6400? go for 7k+

[frigid cedar]

I'm using an lga 1700 contact frame and an h150i with thermal grizzly with a .08 undervolt it only gets to about 67°c

[modern walrus]

I'm running 7000c32 with 6000c40 XMP lol

[zenith palm]

You have plenty of thermal headroom then you should oc a bit

[frigid cedar]

I like efficiency so I've only overclocked the e-cores which can do 4ghz with the .08 undervolt

[dull ginkgo]

xmp 5600c40 lol

testing this now

[zenith palm]

They can do more like 4.4

[kind walrus]

4.3

[zenith palm]

Close enough

[kind walrus]

or 4.2

[frigid cedar]

At the cost of the undervolt?

[zenith palm]

Forgot it was 12th gen

[kind walrus]

4.4 would be particularly nice

lol

[zenith palm]

E cores basically take no wattage so doesn't matter much if uv usually

[modern walrus]

oh alright not bad not bad

[frigid cedar]

I went from 240 watts to 177 watts so should I try it without raising things?

[modern walrus]

which motherboard btw

[dull ginkgo]

Z790i edge

[modern walrus]

hmm hold on

damn nvm

the link I have to beta BIOS is only for MSI Z690s

[dull ginkgo]

Rip

[frigid cedar]

I guess it is fair to say I didn't exactly try to see how higher the e cores could go at the lowest voltage my p cores would

[modern walrus]

ycruncher lol

[dull ginkgo]

I might update bios and see if that does anything for me

[tall pelican]

I see you dont know the of setting jedec and yeeting the cores higher

[modern walrus]

usually newer BIOS is better but not sure

[modern walrus]

how ya been? long time. Everything good?

[tall pelican]

busy with work

fixing broken POS computers

[modern walrus]

lol how POS are we talking?

[tall pelican]

I got a windows vista with a turion x2 that is BSODing

[modern walrus]

I mean...

how does anyone consider that's worth saving?

[modern walrus]

I started by trying to get the highest frequency to POST with auto VDD2/CPU VDDQ/SA. Once it stopped POSTing I went back to the highest it POSTed & checked hwinfo to see what voltage it was running then tried to add a little to them & keep climbing

[dull ginkgo]

I mean, I can try to see if it'll hit 7000

this seems stable for now

[modern walrus]

tRCD/RP won't tighten?

tRTP won't do 12 & tWR 48?

tCWL = tCL-2

memtweakit reads better than Dragonball I think

[frigid cedar]

Looking good

[modern walrus]

that's the newest one I have

[frigid cedar]

I wonder if that newer then the one I'm using

I used the guru3d tool page forum

[dull ginkgo]

Currently testing highest freq I can get with auto voltage, 7000 and 6800 haven't worked so far

Wait I forgot to set vdimm

[frigid cedar]

From where you started its still much better

Timings wise

[dull ginkgo]

Haven't tightened them further, I was mainly curious about tfaw of 16 being stable or not, considering some sources say tfaw of 32 is mininum

Faw really helps with tm5 times and I'll prob be running tm5 later as extra validation

[frigid cedar]

Primary may not make the biggest difference but the tertiary are still noticeably lower

[modern walrus]

could try this

if tFAW 16 runs then go for it

[dull ginkgo]

I think I'll stick to 6400 for now and I'll try those

[modern walrus]

& not trying to tell you what to do just suggestions

[dull ginkgo]

You can do 1 for rdrddr and rdrddd?

Huh

[proven canopy]

You don't need to set those at all

[modern walrus]

I would try tWR & tRTP together; tRRD_L & tWRWR_sg together; & tWTR_S/L together

ya they're meaningless it's just for decoration lol

[proven canopy]

It's for dfferent rank/different dimm

So unless you have 4 sticks or two dual rank sticks, nope

I do often set them to 1 to make the other timings easier to see though

[dull ginkgo]

Aren't all ddr5 dimms dual rank?

[modern walrus]

are 2x32gb sticks DR?

[dull ginkgo]

Wait

[modern walrus]

like none of them are lol

[proven canopy]

No, two 32 bit subchannels

[modern walrus]

it's quad channel

[proven canopy]

Not necessarily, but probably

[dull ginkgo]

Ah right

Also, is cke not useful?

[proven canopy]

Some people set it

[modern walrus]

I haven't really played with it

I think like 18 or 24 works I dunno

[frigid cedar]

My cke is 4

Was 21

Think is no more useful* then setting xp

[modern walrus]

tXP?

[frigid cedar]

Yeah

[modern walrus]

your board doesn't have the option for Powerdown disabled?

[frigid cedar]

I haven't seen it on my gigabyte board no just my "old" msi board

So I just manually set the start and stops since I don't have a power down toggle

[modern walrus]

tPPD to 1 is the same as powerdown disable I believe

[frigid cedar]

Oh cool if I try to change things I'll use that

Changing from 5600mhz samsung to 6400mhz hynix should give me some nice fresh tuning to waste my time with some mindless tech entertainment

[dull ginkgo]

Hm it was unstable

Might've been thermals, lowering vdimm has made it stable so far

(reverted faw to 32 too just in case)

[modern walrus]

usually HWiNFO will show you PMIC temps

[dull ginkgo]

Good idea, I'll check that

[tall pelican]

usually its checked in as a "Im not going to spend money to fix it, but fix it"

[dull ginkgo]

hm

maybe not

I doubt it's sensitive enough 58c makes it start erroring?

[sudden torrent]

Idk about ddr5 but 58 was pretty toasty on ddr4

Especially b-die 💀

[modern walrus]

bdie heck ya that was a BSOD temp lol

I think it was a walk in the park for Micron tho

I'm trying to get OCCT running so I can see my temps

I'm using water cooling tho

[modern walrus]

the thing is, iirc the like overtemp protection in my Unify-X BIOS is at like 125C or something nuts

[dull ginkgo]

Yea but I assumed Hynix was less sensitive

Dunno, maybe thermals is the actual issue

It crashed due to some driver thing, likely caused by ram, but I'll run tm5 again and see if it logs errors

I'll keep hwinfo64 logging too so I'll see the temps

alright looks like temps might actually be the issue

[sudden torrent]

Put a fan on it and it stopped errors?

[dull ginkgo]

going from 1.5v to 1.4v has made it go from 5min to error to 15min to error, erroring in the high 50cs

[dull ginkgo]

ITX, no space

just need to decrease voltage and keep testing

[sudden torrent]

Low profile 60mm fan should be fine still in itx

[dull ginkgo]

aio tube gets in the way

[sudden torrent]

What you see as an obstacle I see as a mount point

[dull ginkgo]

If I run it with side panel open I can fit a fan in but I'd like to daily whatever I get

lol

[sudden torrent]

Still a fan for testing if it's temps is in order I think, even if it's not permanent

[dull ginkgo]

I'm just going to keep lowering voltage, prob need to loosen some timings and prob undervolt cpu too just in case

[dull ginkgo]

While that would prob be best, I don't have an extra fan around

The only case fans in the system are the aio fans

And they're already mounted weirdly and I'd rather not have to mess with it again

Will prob try dropping vdimm to 1.35 and SA to 1.15 and vddq to 1.25

[dull ginkgo]

I hate that my ram temp still keeps slowly climbing up during testing

I doubt I can get the timings stable at below 1.35v vdimm

Hoping it stays steady at 54c as it is now and doesn't error out

[frigid cedar]

Hey that memtweakit you sent was a whole year newer then mine and includes the new 13th gen "trcd wr" so thanks for that

[proven canopy]

4x16 with no active cooling let me run 1.4 vdimm on m-die 6000c32, I think you can do it

[modern walrus]

npnp

[sterile flame]

got bored

started ocing a hd 3450

weirdly the newest drivers are worse performing and oc stability wise than the windows 8 ones 🤔

[proven canopy]

You'll probably want to be running xp, win7, or 8.1 for most benches with that card.

[sterile flame]

hmm

noted maybe I'll see if I can free up an hdd

saw most of the top ocs on hwbot on 7 but just assumed it was due to time/age

[short blade]

even modern hardware often gets benched on older OS

lighter weight

less bloat

[mental turret]

W10 22h2 is pretty good for some modern hardware

It's actually good on x79 apparently. I haven't tested it very thoroughly compared to a stripped 2012 r2 or w7 though. Just ran a few benchmarks between them

[proven canopy]

It's more to do with drivers than bloat for modern stuff

Or for specific benchmark compatibility/effi

[sudden torrent]

I'd go 20H2 to avoid the performance penalties from exploit mitigations

And 20H2 should still be compatible with all the new drivers

[mental turret]

Yea, I'm just testing this stripped 22h2 out of curiosity. I'd go back to 2012 r2 and w7 sp1 if I'm actually going for tough scores

Though I wouldn't be surprised if W10 is the best option for superpi now because of the tweaks

For x79 specifically I mean

Should test it on lga1150 too

[proven canopy]

afaik you can disable any OS-side mitigations.

[sudden torrent]

Possibly but how many know how to do that?

[proven canopy]

Just use inspectre, good enough

[mental turret]

Ah yea I forgot about that

[mental turret]

Is that in the wegg drive

[proven canopy]

Probably, but you can google inspectre

[mental turret]

Well I already have the wegg bench drive downloaded so I was wondering

[proven canopy]

crtl f

[mental turret]

Duh

I wasn't home

[wheat ether]

@steel nymph Board is pro z790-a CPU 13700kf

[steel nymph]

what xmp bin

is it 6000 cl32?

[wheat ether]

6400 32-39-39-102 1.400v

[steel nymph]

yeah that's hynix

[wheat ether]

According to bios

[steel nymph]

start with 1.2v vccsa

1.3v cpu vddq

1.4v vdimm

1.4v dram vddq

[wheat ether]

Where do you find those

[steel nymph]

bios?

[wheat ether]

Oh wait found it

[steel nymph]

and vdd2 on auto

[wheat ether]

I was thinking it was in a different yab

[steel nymph]

see if 6400 with auto timings trains and is stable with those timings

if not play with the vccsa and cpu vddq

both of those have a sweetspot that is ymmv

generally for cpu vddq the lower you go you can gain stability, but the lower you go it is harder to train

[wheat ether]

The two I don't see is vccsa and vdimm

[steel nymph]

vdimm is your ram voltage

and vccsa is system agent

[wheat ether]

CPU sa?

[steel nymph]

yes

[wheat ether]

Kk

[steel nymph]

this is override or static

not auto or dynamic

[wheat ether]

Then voltage mode for dram is

Link right

[steel nymph]

yes

[wheat ether]

Kk

Then leave xmp on then reboot?

[steel nymph]

ideally just set the primaries manually

with manual

no xmp

and voltage

XMP on can do some weird things in my experience

let the mobo train the subs

[wheat ether]

Ignore date I just fixed it

[steel nymph]

tras can go to 34 btw

out the gate

[wheat ether]

affirmitave rebooting now to bios again

[steel nymph]

use this config with TM5

[wheat ether]

Ok

about to run test mem 5 just rebooting after turning all statup programs off

[wheat ether]

@steel nymph ram is at 50c is that normal while running testmem5

[steel nymph]

Yes, but DDR5 gets hot

You want to stay under 45-50c

Around there you start getting temp errors

Slapping a fan directly on ddr5 is highly recommended even for xmp

[wheat ether]

oh. uh

ok

[steel nymph]

Your temps are technically fine as long as you don't get errors

Degrading temps are far higher than when you get errors which is nice

[wheat ether]

its staying around 50c

baha turning my fans from silent mode to normal dropped the temps to 48

[steel nymph]

Yeah I had to waterblock mine

[wheat ether]

Now it's 45

So a proper fan speed makes it cooll

[steel nymph]

It really doesn't get that hot outside of a stress test

But, the important part is that the heat from your gpu can cause issues

As heat rises

[wheat ether]

yeah having the kingpin i think kinda helps there also i have 15 fans in my case rn

phanteks 719 is the case

[steel nymph]

The problem is direct airflow on the ics

And heatspreaders can cause the ics to be warmer

As the "thermal material" often isn't thermally conductive

My sticks had double sided tape and foam

[wheat ether]

that seemed fine

did not error out

@steel nymph what next should i mess with

[eternal relic]

i hope this is enough ground

[mental turret]

[eternal relic]

it's just a 650ti boost, how much could it possibly draw

[mental turret]

guess what platform im OCing memory on rn

[eternal relic]

the way the vrms were set up gave me an aneurysm so i just insulated what i dont need

[eternal relic]

x99

[mental turret]

lol yes

[eternal relic]

i know, im watching u from ur window

[mental turret]

ok what loop am i on

[eternal relic]

2

[mental turret]

[eternal relic]

[mental turret]

what kind of dimms am i using

[eternal relic]

the red ones (i do not know ddr3)

[mental turret]

oh

you're dumb

[eternal relic]

ok but imagine i got it right

[mental turret]

no

ddr4...

[eternal relic]

wtf

oh x99

[eternal relic]

x99
ram oc

[mental turret]

is there a problem

[eternal relic]

zen 1 simulator

[mental turret]

zen 1 is worse...

[eternal relic]

isnt it just tuning more than actual ocing lol

[mental turret]

ocing is tuning

[eternal relic]

whats the max ram freq u can get stable on x99?

[mental turret]

i dont see your point

[eternal relic]

i mean more tuning than freq increasing bozo

well

u do that with every platform

YOU GET MY POINT

[mental turret]

bozo

[eternal relic]

[mental turret]

well im running ~3333 C11 rn

not really benching for subs rn, just pre-testing

and for funzies

mem oc is still fun on X99 for the practice of it if you know what to expect. it just doesnt clock high because duh, it's first gen ddr4

[eternal relic]

yeah

that's my expectation on sprx as well

[eternal relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763497104202006528/1070318653943320587/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_f9ef94d3-27b9-4484-801a-a4658c96efc8.jpg

ended up putting vcore and ground on the back instead

gonna use 10awg wires for just getting it working

copper plates afterwards

dcuii 680 vrm

3.3v and 5v probably injected thru sata coz i can not be bothered to setup buck converters

[mental turret]

I think my memory nuked my os

[pallid nest]

[mental turret]

Why is the 7zip world record for the 5820k so bad

It's some mess of a sub

On ambient aio

[proven canopy]

7zip is years younger than the 5820k and only recently got hardware points

[mental turret]

Yea but still

I'm surprised nobody has even done dice on it

Welp, more easy for me

[grave ore]

How do I over clock a i7 6700k?

[sudden torrent]

Are you on a Z motherboard, Z170 or Z270? Any other chipset can't overclock

[kind walrus]

[zenith palm]

What gee pee u

[kind walrus]

XTX

[zenith palm]

Only 460w smh make it go moar

[kind walrus]

• Ignores the 599W on the right *

[zenith palm]

Me blimd

[pallid nest]

oh come on thats weak

@kind walrus come on pull 630W

[potent fiber]

Efficiency go vvvvvvv

[sudden torrent]

While coil whine goes brrrRRRRRRrrrrrrRRRR

[short blade]

my 3090 strix has awful coil whine even at 60 fps/200 watts

with 3 different power supplies

pcb issue I guess

[pallid nest]

i hear nothing BTW

this is GTA lol at 4k

my power rials eating so much power

[tall pelican]

that's nothing for a 4090 though...

I'll regularly hit 700w+ in hwinfo with just ow2 at 1440p

[pallid nest]

AYO

WTF

max i hit is 630W rn

[tall pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-funny-frowning-grumpy-gif-14501018

[mental turret]

more power draw more better

it means more performance

more better.

[kind walrus]

diving into the psyche of a ddr3 fanatic

[sudden torrent]

OW is a good power supply test, heavy on everything

[mental turret]

YEA IS THERE SOEMTHING IWROONG?

[pallid nest]

yes thats my saying

thats why i want 1000W gpu and 500W cpu plz

[mental turret]

@kind walrus i got more of the funny ram would you like to see

[kind walrus]

yes

[kind walrus]

YOOOO

I GOT MA RADEON RAM

MA RADEON CPU

MA RADEON GPU

I'm a gamer

[mental turret]

OMG I LOVE AMD

R9 WAM

[kind walrus]

R9 BULLZOZER

R9 RAMS

R9 590

[zenith palm]

Real full amd pc

[mental turret]

factual facts

[zenith palm]

None of this g skill nonsense

[mental turret]

no way

no how

[kind walrus]

g.skill pssshhh

[mental turret]

Id take off the heatspreader but it'd probably rip off the ICs with it

and im out of LN2 so i cant do it that way

[kind walrus]

could be worse

I'm trying to put a fan on my ddr5 and I'm out of fan headers 💀

what do

[mental turret]

you dont even have a splitter

[kind walrus]

lazyyyyy

[mental turret]

oh i was gonna link you something but forgot you're au

[kind walrus]

au

[mental turret]

you could always solder the two fan cables together 🤓

[kind walrus]

I have splitters and controllers but heckin lazy

[mental turret]

proper skill issue

[kind walrus]

proper idotot

[zenith palm]

Get arctic pst fans ez

[kind walrus]

I found my fan controller

is all good fam

fan

[zenith palm]

ARCTIC

This was a threat

:)

[mental turret]

[sterile flame]

Alright I've opted to ditch my 570 for the time being

[zenith palm]

Yes

Arctic go brr

[sterile flame]

If I want to optimize the perf of my 3000G/Vega 3 what would be the first thing I would want to oc?

[zenith palm]

Get your 570 back?

Uh ironically best thing you can do for integrated gpus is faster ram but faster ram costs more money but it's pretty useless sinking money into an igpu

[sterile flame]

I've been dealing with issues with it for a looooooooong time I'd rather not deal with anymore

I'm just gonna sell it and put the money aside for a new gpu

[sterile flame]

Can just oc the ram I have then, that's why I asked :P

[zenith palm]

Ram oc is ehh not something you should take light heartedly

[sterile flame]

I've done it in the past, tbf, started having issues and reset it a long time ago idm giving it another go

[sudden torrent]

Tell you what, get the detailed report of the sticks from thaiphoon burner and I can tell you roughly what to expect when overclocking them

[zenith palm]

Or if they're g skill send a pic of the sticker on the stick

[sudden torrent]

True, or a Corsair version number

But that requires taking them out

[sterile flame]

They're adata

[sudden torrent]

Yep no useful data on those stickers for finding memory die

Download Thaiphoon burner and get the report, should look something like this

You'd just hit "read", select a slot with memory in it, then hit "report"

[sterile flame]

it's detected as a virus

[sudden torrent]

By what?

[sterile flame]

windows defender

[sudden torrent]

Hynix M

[sterile flame]

I believe sometime then the best I could do at the time was like 2999Mhz with decently high timings iirc myself

[sudden torrent]

The best those will do is around that frequency on 8Gb MFR, 2933 or 3000

Those ones are pretty bad by modern standards

[short blade]

i'm pretty sure i've had H8M at 3400 before

[sudden torrent]

This sums it up nicely

And that's for the newer one rated at 3200

[sudden torrent]

Probably a newer stick than 2016 then

[short blade]

but in general you buy those kits to run at xmp freq/primaries

can still gain perf by tightening seconds/terts

[sterile flame]

MFR
?

[short blade]

your IC is 8 Gbit Hynix MFR

[sudden torrent]

lol the name of the die

[short blade]

commonly abbreviated to MFR or H8M

[sterile flame]

ah

[short blade]

basically bottom of the barrel ddr4

[sterile flame]

Hey, they were free so I cant complain

[sudden torrent]

You got your money's worth then

[short blade]

they do their job

just not great overclockers

i've bought 16gb kits of similar tier ICs for $20-30 for cheap flips and they work fine

[sterile flame]

being that their base is 2400 any oc is a good one on these 😭

[sudden torrent]

Poor 2400 stick though, I've seen DDR3 XMP there

[short blade]

lol, there's ddr3-3200 xmp

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/by4NnQ/corsair-dominator-platinum-8-gb-2-x-4-gb-ddr3-3200-cl13-memory-cmd8gx3m2a3200c13

i've got a DDR3-2400 kit just chilling on my desk in my dorm

waiting for my friend to send me his z97 board

[mental turret]

of course there is

MFR

thats what ive been binning

Have no 2933 or 3200 bin dimms though since they're hard to come by and really overpriced

[short blade]

far

have you ever played with DDR3 on newer platforms?

like 9900K + Z170 DDR3

[mental turret]

as in lga1151?

nope

[short blade]

wonder if their DDR3 IMCs are any better than like, haswell

[mental turret]

ask about that in hwbot discord

good question

[short blade]

@proven canopy might know

[mental turret]

he barely touches ddr3

[proven canopy]

The boards aren't good

[short blade]

he told me about using 9900K for DDR3 igpu competitions

ah, that makes sense

wonder if you could DIY a good LGA1151 DDR3 board

[mental turret]

i wouldnt put much faith in the memory controllers anyway if broadwell is anything go off of

[sudden torrent]

DIY mobo

[short blade]

like frankenstein something together

i'm not nearly smart enough to know if something like this is remotely possible

[sudden torrent]

A pattern being repeated currently, there's a reason all the best DDR4 scores are still on an 11900K

[mental turret]

[kind walrus]

about to buy an apex

not having fun

7800 stable save for some secondary or tertiary timing on whack

sorry 7800 c34

[tall pelican]

first round of OW2 for the night

[pallid nest]

[proven canopy]

Good core+mem quick stress test
Put the vst.bat in the ycruncher folder and run it.
http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/#Download

Run this for a few minutes to get memory in the ballpark of stability, then move on to tm5/memtest pro overnight

[paper tulip]

will do. ill share results after

[eternal relic]

is it a profile that auto launches vst?

or is it a different vst entirely?

[proven canopy]

Yes - it's a very simple batch file

[paper tulip]

which named folder should I put vst into?

[proven canopy]

Put the vst.bat in the ycruncher folder and run it.

[paper tulip]

ok

@proven canopy failed

[proven canopy]

And you're sure you don't have core instability? Try R23, then occt cpu tests

I would assume your ram has either always been unstable or you didn't successfully reset your bios to stock

[paper tulip]

I'll check

[proven canopy]

Yes, it's unstable, you don't need to keep running it

[paper tulip]

The ram has been very stable until recently

[paper tulip]

I never really reset bios, I simply updated it to the latest version

well...i did do default settings a few times, but that didnt fix anything

[proven canopy]

Updating the bios will clear all your settings automatically

[paper tulip]

but here we are.....problems

[round hearth]

Is AI over clocking better than manual overclocking

[sudden torrent]

No, "AI" has nothing to do with it

It's just a table of frequencies and voltages it expects to run

[round hearth]

They why do they have AI overclocking on some motherboards

In the BIOS

[sudden torrent]

They call it AI to make it sound smarter but most companies have some sort of auto overclock

[round hearth]

OH.

[sudden torrent]

The issue with it is using those disables core boosting behavior by setting a manual all core frequency

[round hearth]

Oh.

[pallid nest]

hmmm higher numbers

[zenith palm]

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