building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

didn't want it to look like im gonna bug you

[cyan ravine]

hey I do it too

lol

[little osprey]

wait so a 650w gpu is gonna be fine with this build right

[earnest olive]

well, it's only taking 319W right now

[little osprey]

Oh my god thank god its a fully modular one too

less cables

actually 444 @earnest olive

[earnest olive]

not your build

my gpu

[little osprey]

ohh

[cyan ravine]

no that's the whole thing

[little osprey]

my bad sorry

[cyan ravine]

are you mining rn

[little osprey]

650w is enough for this entire build?

or up it to 700w

[cyan ravine]

650W works

[earnest olive]

yeah, pretty much always am

only stop it for demanding games

and i don't play those very often

[cyan ravine]

I would maybe go to 750W for peace of mind, like a 750 or 850W GT from evga b stock

but 650 will work

[earnest olive]

really suffering with these summer temps... sigh

[little osprey]

lol

[earnest olive]

ambient temp >30c doesn't help

[cyan ravine]

is that an air cooled strix

[earnest olive]

yes

[little osprey]

Peace of mind in terms of?

[cyan ravine]

ok fair

[earnest olive]

i'm not measuring the room temp precisely but i'm guessing it's around 32 right now

[cyan ravine]

transients, longevity, placebo...lol

[earnest olive]

it's repadded

would be like 100c right now on stock pads

[little osprey]

whats the weather like for you?

[cyan ravine]

My TUF never sees temps above 90C even if I slam it

but it's on water so

[little osprey]

in the summer its like 50celcius here

pretty warm

[cyan ravine]

before that I think it would be 95-ish on air

on memory

that's for eth but I never did a lot of it

[little osprey]

@cyan ravine

this one?

[earnest olive]

at what fan speed and ambient temp?

[cyan ravine]

100 fan speed, 25C ambient, some 280? watts

it's been a while

[earnest olive]

ah

yeah, makes sense

[cyan ravine]

now on water I could run 600W through it and nothing peaks 80C

[earnest olive]

with 100 fan speed and 25c ambient i should be getting 78-82c mem temps

i hit 83C at 600W

[cyan ravine]

strix cooler is decent

[earnest olive]

on the core

[cyan ravine]

[earnest olive]

lol, never thought my o11 would be too small for a gpu

[cyan ravine]

I think my core is like 63 or something at that wattage

[earnest olive]

but here we are

my o11 is too small for the strix

i gotta keep my side panel off or i start getting ram errors

[cyan ravine]

would you believe me if I said the GPU block was an eiswolf

[earnest olive]

my gpu exhaust is so close to the glass panel

[little osprey]

what in the hell?.

119$ for a windows 11

[earnest olive]

that it starts feeding into my ram cooler

[little osprey]

oh my god

[earnest olive]

so my ram cooler starts blasting my ram with hot air

tRFC go brrrr

so yeah, i just have to let the gpu exhaust directly into open air

[cyan ravine]

oh is that why filters off

[earnest olive]

i also have to bend the hell out of my pcie power cables to put the glass panel on at all

[cyan ravine]

lol

[earnest olive]

well no, there are no dust filters in the glass panel

[cyan ravine]

oh not that, I mean the ram

and i guess mining

[earnest olive]

oh, no

i run with no dust filters because i have a leaf blower for my pc and don't care about running it once a week

[cyan ravine]

@little osprey one sec I'll show you the psu

[earnest olive]

might as well max out the airflow

[little osprey]

alright

[earnest olive]

i also have an air purifier running 24/7 for what that's worth

[little osprey]

what do they call the cables that make your psu cords look good lol

[earnest olive]

braided cable extensions

[little osprey]

sorry i looked up extensions cables didn't find any

[cyan ravine]

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8&associatecode=SG6LFX7LRLICR2Y

[little osprey]

ooo

https://www.amazon.sa/-/en/LINKUP-Extension-Sleeved-Braided-Set┃300mm/dp/B0868TR84V/ref=sr_1_6?crid=JY1929QIWHOS&keywords=braided+cable+extensions&qid=1657515947&sprefix=power+supply+cords%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-6

[little osprey]

would these work

cheap as hell wow

[earnest olive]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082X6L4WL my favorite extensions recently

[cyan ravine]

diyfab are 16awg iirc

[little osprey]

my case is gonna be white i forgot

[earnest olive]

the only cheap extensions that aren't stiff as hell

[little osprey]

hmm should i get em in white or black

[cyan ravine]

and linkup do those dope pcie risers

[earnest olive]

nah this is 18 AWG

but it's amazing how flexible they are

[little osprey]

ooo i see

[cyan ravine]

ehhh diyfab have a 16awg version no?

[little osprey]

would the one i posted work?

[earnest olive]

most of the cheap cable extensions are super stiff and terrible to work with

probably, but the one i linked is 18awg

[little osprey]

supernova ga 750w

[cyan ravine]

yeah they do have 16awg

[earnest olive]

this was all i needed to see

[little osprey]

smart marketing

lol

[cyan ravine]

I mean the one I shared is cheaper and same tier for more wattage, would be better imo

[earnest olive]

i absolutely hate the stiff cheap ones that are hell to route through a case

[little osprey]

not where i live

[cyan ravine]

oh

well GA works too

[earnest olive]

is b-stock a thing in saudi arabia

[little osprey]

let me checkerino

[cyan ravine]

I didn't know it was SA

lol

[earnest olive]

he just posted an amazon.sa link

so that's where i got that from

but yeah

you should use SA PCPP

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.sa/-/en/EVGA-WAVE-SuperNOVA-GOLD-850W/dp/B09C2N1FXB/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1W2SKNM1XHOOK&keywords=evga+supernova+850+gt&qid=1657516140&sprefix=evga+supernova+850+g%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-1

one i could find

746 sar

[earnest olive]

https://sa.pcpartpicker.com/list/

[little osprey]

roughly like

180 USD

for that PSUy

[cyan ravine]

nah not for 180

not until hell froze over

[little osprey]

XDDD

not even fully modular

lol

[cyan ravine]

do people just not like white builds in SA

lol

hey 670p sale

[little osprey]

i think they do

let me try making the build there and see the total

so i can cry

[earnest olive]

don't avoid profanity filter please

it is there for a reason

[little osprey]

sowwy

[cyan ravine]

pcpp sa is scuffed

[little osprey]

what was the total

there

lmao

[cyan ravine]

all psus like double priced

[little osprey]

yep

let me check newegg

sa

one sec

[cyan ravine]

i hit like 1800usd

[little osprey]

thats like

[cyan ravine]

better but still not worth

[little osprey]

120 usd

ik

[cyan ravine]

look up uh

rm650/rm650x, g6, phanteks amp

tuf bronze 750w

uhhh

[little osprey]

same price for the rm650

[cyan ravine]

omg

[little osprey]

literally that's the rate

look at that shipping btw

[cyan ravine]

msi agf

nzxt c

[cyan ravine]

yeah evga ga then if you can find it cheap

[little osprey]

oh wow

😮

like 80 bucks

[cyan ravine]

shipping tho

lol

[little osprey]

ahh it doesn't offer that promo either :/

where if you add more items worth more in value you can get free shipping

yikes

[cyan ravine]

did evga website work or nah

[little osprey]

checking

90 euros

same price

lol

[cyan ravine]

shipping?

[little osprey]

roughly the same

[cyan ravine]

it must be the market rate then oof

[little osprey]

roughly 1,493.63 USD

jeez

[cyan ravine]

how much was it in sips' link?

1500 comfortably gets a 6900xt in the us

[little osprey]

wdym

actually i have amazon prime

let me see if i can knock the prices down there

sec

oh my god

the ak620 is like 120$

lol

double the price

[earnest olive]

like 1100 flat

[little osprey]

this is nuts

[unborn mesa]

Nah 1000 gets you a decent 6900xt

[cyan ravine]

*build

[unborn mesa]

Ah yea it should

[little osprey]

welp

[unborn mesa]

I spend 1300 on my 6900xt

But you can get a 6900xt red devil for about 950

[cyan ravine]

OCF is 850

[unborn mesa]

Is it?

[cyan ravine]

on newegg yes

[unborn mesa]

I only looked at the red devil and the sapphire toxic cards

[unborn mesa]

Oh nice

I gotta find a new gpu for my second pc tho

[little osprey]

@cyan ravine for some reason i wasn't able to find these on newegg sa

found only these

actually surprised at how cheap 2x16 is lol

[cyan ravine]

yeah those prices seem alright if you hit the free shipping mark

[little osprey]

i dont like that rgb one though :/

are those also low latency or w/e its called?

[cyan ravine]

they're fine enough considering

that's why SP is suggested a lot

over-spending on ram is a very easy way to get diminishing returns

esp. if you're only buying it for XMP

[little osprey]

adds up to the same amount

the only 3 things adding all the shipping value

is the case, psu, and the CPU cooler

they're all never eligible for free shipping

[cyan ravine]

can you find those locally?

[little osprey]

100 bucks shipping for the case alone

that's what im trying to find rn

90% though, probably not

shipping for all those 3 combined is 182.73

i guess not bad tbh

the other 182.73 USD is in vat 15%

so understandable

can't blame newegg for it

found it

is this the right option?

16 cas latency right?

[cyan ravine]

ye

[little osprey]

yeah all adds up to like 6.7k sar

you guys pay vat too for stuff? @cyan ravine

damn you guys don't

thats nuts lol

[earnest olive]

lol

[little osprey]

xD

[earnest olive]

if i had to pay $100 shipping i'd just be rocking the cardboard box

[little osprey]

LMFAOO

[earnest olive]

fun fact - a case is a completely optional part of a computer

[little osprey]

there's no other choice though lol

[earnest olive]

of course there is

[little osprey]

i looked at local stores

same price + shipping

they add the shipping to the price of the case

:/

psu is 50$ shipping

and psu cooler 50$ shipping

i have no clue why those 3 are never eligible for free shipping

like never

[earnest olive]

look how one mushroom obtained a free high airflow case! (lian li hates him!)

[little osprey]

LOOL

thats actually nuts

[fleet heron]

Nice case

[potent portal]

Milk crate and zip ties OP case

[cyan ravine]

m8

https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2020/09/09/045046/86384016/computer_hanging_from_ceiling_by_strings_gaming_setup.jpg

[frigid night]

@cyan rune To bad you couldn't fit the flaming bichael the other way so it looks like the fans are blowing the flames.

[frigid night]

Even the monitor

[little osprey]

$1500-$2000 list?

[cyan ravine]

what are you using it for and monitor included?

[little osprey]

Gaming/Video editing/ Photoshop/ school rn only 1080p 144hz monitor but want to upgrade to either 1080p 240hz or 1440p 144hz

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yW2kgb

high-side of the budget, can use G27Q

G6 PSU sourced from EVGA B Stock

one sec I'll do the 1500 list

[little osprey]

Fs! And do they make cases with glass on the right side? Lol

[cyan ravine]

you know I was looking into that today actually lol

Not a lot of options like the typical right side

[little osprey]

Lmao I've seen a couple but unsure of quality and air flow

[cyan ravine]

the obvious one is the o11d evo but it's expensive, I saw a couple earlier I'll see if I can find them again

[little osprey]

Sorry for the long link but this one looks pretty cool

[potent portal]

Fractal Torrent has glass on both sides

[little osprey]

Check this out on @Newegg: Segotep Phoenix T1 E-ATX Full-Tower PC Gaming Case, Tempered Glass Side Panel, Cable Management/Optional 360mm Water Cooling, Supports up to 7 Fans, Front I/O USB 3.0 Type-C Port, Desktop Compute Case https://www.newegg.com/black-segotep-typhon-e-atx-full-tower/p/2AM-005R-00086?Item=9SIAM7KENW0095&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAM7KENW0095-_-07112022

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VkCwk9 <<<Changed it. Lower side of budget

[potent portal]

The torrent is pretty huge so make sure you're prepared for that if you do it lol

[little osprey]

I have the desk spare for it lol

[cyan ravine]

I think they mean left-hand viewing

[little osprey]

All it is is my monitor, Xbox, and laptop right now

I really regret buying a gaming laptop lmao

[potent portal]

Inverted layout? Yeah that's pretty rare

Since GPUs mostly are designed to suck air from their normal "bottom" position you'd have to do top intake with inverted cases

[cyan ravine]

the segotep one seems alright tho

[formal girder]

Inverted layout seems like it'd be better if used with custom loops

[cyan ravine]

gpu draws the coolest air but you need an aio for it

so like evga clc 360

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/computer-chassis/RL08/

I saw this one earlier

is it the 802 that's reversible???

yes it is

that's a really good one

https://cdna.pcpartpicker.com/static/forever/images/product/60fa7289dd05fc4e928541d040e21b8e.1600.jpg

too big for me tho lel

yeah I'm not really finding anything decent that's cheap unless we go to like way smaller

so like Alta G1 with a CM VSFX gold and EVGA clc was one from earlier and that would work out cheaper overall

you know what nvm v sfx gold expensive af

I wanna be mad but also this is the market at work lol

[thorn merlin]

MSI MPG GUNGNIR 110R Mid-Tower ATX Gehäuse (2x USB 3.1 Anschluss, 4x 120mm A-RGB Fan im Lieferumfang, schwarz, RGB), Einheitsgröße https://amzn.eu/d/6m98m6N
https://amzn.eu/d/6m98m6N
Is This case good i Can get new for 50€ from a friend

[stoic island]

pretty sure it's the same cases as this one here, so no
https://youtu.be/TpTrrIsMGXU

[cyan ravine]

they have a mesh version

that would be significantly better (though I wouldn't consider msi cases in general)

[fossil cedar]

I helped them with a list yesterday said yes they could do that but i wouldn't

[sharp temple]

What's the reason that I should use a 2tb drive vs 2 1tb drives because it seems that the price of 2 1tb drives are better than 1 2tb drive?

[stoic island]

Convenience, upgradability

Easier to work with a single drive instead of splitting things up without raid 0 or storage spaces

And using 1 slot instead of 2 slots means you have another free slot for more in the future

[analog pulsar]

Hey

whats best dell laptop you can get my budget is 2.5k

[analog pulsar]

So they have both intel and amd options

[sand falcon]

Does it have to be dell

[analog pulsar]

yea

[sand falcon]

Probably one of the xps, maybe a latitude but those aren't what they used to be

What are you planning on doing with the laptop

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/uW5Mhng.png i was looking at these 4

[sand falcon]

Alienware laptops are hot garbage

[forest briar]

^

Price gouging because "lol alien colors and alien on lid"

[sand falcon]

And shoddy construction

[analog pulsar]

but they are only ones that have like 3070 and up

[forest briar]

MSI

ASUS

AORUS

[sand falcon]

What are you planning on doing with the laptop

[analog pulsar]

gaming

[sand falcon]

What games

[analog pulsar]

idk mostly ive been playing satisfactory

[formal girder]

Then why laptop

[obsidian wigeon]

space

[forest briar]

and why dell

[formal girder]

If you got desktop then why laptop and if it's just satisfactory I don't believe ya need that high of a spec

[obsidian wigeon]

kenzie asked me for a laptop yesterday and i gave him some reccs

[analog pulsar]

well ik 3060 might work but 3070 ti is better and will run my games

idk if 3060 will run all my games

[obsidian wigeon]

you don't need 3070ti

[formal girder]

It will run

[obsidian wigeon]

you can get that 1379 bucks legion 5 pro on ebay

[sand falcon]

The 12th gen igpu will probably run all of them

[obsidian wigeon]

it's sold by antonline

[analog pulsar]

they dont have 3070 options

[obsidian wigeon]

i posted the link in tech deals

[analog pulsar]

1. i cant use ebay and 2. i dont wanna use ebay i can only get dell laptop

[formal girder]

What games do you think a 3060 won't run?

[obsidian wigeon]

it has 5800h and 3070

why can you only get dell?

and why can't you use ebay?

[forest briar]

we have technology to obtain things online

[obsidian wigeon]

it's new item and sold by a reputable retail

[analog pulsar]

okay im gunna tell truth i applied for dell credit line and got approved for 2.5k and i can only spend at certain places 1 is for dell

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

[forest briar]

Oh my god

The APR On those is insane

[obsidian wigeon]

then i would get alienware x15

[analog pulsar]

also bryce got a dell 3070 laptop seems like its doing him good

[sand falcon]

I'd still go xps, much better quality laptops

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/4OKdFR2.png i saw this but comes with 11th gen

[obsidian wigeon]

wait x15 has solderd ram

breh

alienwares now have decent construction

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/X2Pl5wy.png theres this one

[obsidian wigeon]

at least for the newer ones

6700m is kinda cringe

[formal girder]

6700M

[analog pulsar]

oh okay

https://i.imgur.com/76obgXv.png

[obsidian wigeon]

i would.. do m15 r7

out of all

[analog pulsar]

i can change ram to 32GB for 2399

[obsidian wigeon]

bruh

[formal girder]

[obsidian wigeon]

the ram is so expensive

[analog pulsar]

it is ddr5

[forest briar]

oops had a bad word

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah and it's trash

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/it-hurts-redd-foxx-fred-sanford-sanford-and-son-heart-attack-gif-17834120

[obsidian wigeon]

it's probably cheaper to add a kit of ddr5 sodimm

than getting it from dell

[frank stirrup]

tbh

[forest briar]

And even more honestly

probably better you not accept the credit line

[frank stirrup]

id wait for amd 6000 laptops to become more common

great great apu

[obsidian wigeon]

12th gen is also good

[analog pulsar]

well the M17 R5 is amd

[obsidian wigeon]

ddr5 is just expensive rn

[frank stirrup]

yeah but 6000 series is a better package

far better igpu

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

but like does igpu matter if it's on a gaming laptop?

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/K4Hkl1i.png

[obsidian wigeon]

unless you want efficiency

[frank stirrup]

ah gaming laptop

why kenzie buying a gaming laptop now tho lol

[obsidian wigeon]

man that price makes me cry

512 gigs ssd

[analog pulsar]

i mean we can go witj x15 but you said soildered

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

x15 is soldered

[sand falcon]

This is true

[forest briar]

@analog pulsar what APR did they give you on the credit line

IN the end by the time it's paid off, assuming you're doing monthly payments, you'll be paying $300/$400 MORE for the laptop.

[analog pulsar]

so is there new series m15 R7

I could get this and it arrives tomorrow

[sand falcon]

From Dell's site, looks like it's usually between 20% and 30%

[analog pulsar]

or i can get 3060 which lowers price to 1749

[sand falcon]

@analog pulsar how fast will you be able to pay this off

[analog pulsar]

so let me see if i can get a discordnt from my work

[forest briar]

THat's disgusting.

I'm 100% assuming kenzie is going to take the minimum monthly payment option without putting anymore towards principle

and doesn't have the ability to pay at least half off once the purchase is made

[sand falcon]

I'm also assuming that it's an unsecured line

[analog pulsar]

no

[sand falcon]

It's a secured line?

[analog pulsar]

yea i cant go ovber my limit

[sand falcon]

What's your collateral?

[forest briar]

That's not what unsecured means.

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/IBmxuTy.png theres this

[analog pulsar]

whats that

[sand falcon]

The thing they'll take away from you when you can't pay off a secured line of credit

[forest briar]

Also for reference these kinds of lines of credit are incredibly damaging to your credit if you miss payments.

extremely volatile profiles

[analog pulsar]

idk

https://i.imgur.com/GORj73P.png

[sand falcon]

They quite often have some really predatory terms too

[forest briar]

^

[analog pulsar]

i read threw some terms i have high APR also if i go over credit limit i have to pay back money ASAP

[sand falcon]

How high

[analog pulsar]

like 29

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-reaction-reaction-jesus-jesus-reaction-gif-19654103

absolutely disgusting

[sand falcon]

29.99 is one of the Dell standard ones

So 30%

[analog pulsar]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/wf2_QlUwr5bpf4reeCzyAdee-LfuCcxbJphzOEfL6Ho/https/i.imgur.com/erHQXEe.png

[forest briar]

that's not your APR though.

[analog pulsar]

something like that

[sand falcon]

How fast can you pay this off

[analog pulsar]

I would say pretty fast why you ask

[sand falcon]

Cause if it's not within a month or two Dell is going to rail you with interest

[analog pulsar]

oh

[forest briar]

Honestly this was a pretty stupid thing to apply for in my opinion, and I know Escanor and I gave you MUCH better suggestions on ways to buold your credit.

BUt, your money, You do you boo.

[potent portal]

At 30% APR that means you end up paying $2600 for a $2000 laptop if it takes you a year

[forest briar]

^^^

at least it has cool alien on the lid

and makes pretty colors

[analog pulsar]

okay

okay so 3060 at 1080p should do fine

https://i.imgur.com/y5dhB0j.png they have ryzen 6800H

[forest briar]

make sure you understand that

like fully

if you don't pay it off in a ear you are going to get blistered by the interest hardcore.

[frigid night]

oooof yeah that'd be a good chunk tacked on

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-fo-sho-steve-carrell-40year-old-virgin-forty-year-old-gif-4999689

[frigid night]

@analog pulsar Please don't do this to yourself.

[forest briar]

People gave him A LOT of much better advice.

[analog pulsar]

1. its fine .2 damage already done if there is any

[sand falcon]

Wonder what the minimum payment is lol

[cyan ravine]

Possibly fairly low to increase the chances of people not paying it off in time to be interest free

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/yrRb2OZ.png

[sand falcon]

Interest will be charged to your account from the transaction posting date if the purchase balance is not paid in full by your Payment due date in August 2023.

If you don't pay it all off in a year, they slap you with all of the interest that they would have charged from the date of purchase

[analog pulsar]

so i just pay it in a year then

[sand falcon]

Are you able to?

[analog pulsar]

yea

[sand falcon]

Can you pay it all in one down payment now?

[analog pulsar]

not rn this minute

[sand falcon]

Okay

Usually what you'll do if you have to do financing like this is pay half of the cost up front

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[sand falcon]

After that, whatever you do do not just make the minimum payment. Put in enough that you can pay the whole thing off within a month or two

If you slip up, they will eat your money

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[sand falcon]

Personally I would save up the money I would be making towards the payments over a few months, and then get the laptop when I had enough to buy without financing. That way I don't have to risk things going south if something happens and I can't pay off the loan on time

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/3Izc0wz.png i could get this is 3060 can keep up on 1080p

its less expemzive

i dont need something supper spected up just something that will run my games at 60FPS

@obsidian wigeon do you know of G15 is soldered

[obsidian wigeon]

nope

g15 is a decent choice

[analog pulsar]

its also DDR4

[obsidian wigeon]

ye that's better

cheaper to upgrade to 32

[frigid carbon]

My computer suddenly said that an operating system wasn’t found

[obsidian wigeon]

check bios boot order

[analog pulsar]

@obsidian wigeon so it seems if i wanna get DDR4 i have to go with 11th gen or ryzen 5000 gen

[obsidian wigeon]

i would go 11800h

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/BJfFb08.png what about amd

[obsidian wigeon]

ryzen edition needs bios update to fix the fan curve issue

[analog pulsar]

oh

[obsidian wigeon]

it had like problem of the fan not kicking on under load

[analog pulsar]

so whats diffrence between alienware and G15

[obsidian wigeon]

alienware is just more expensive

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/4w9778A.png @obsidian wigeon so does this look good

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[frigid carbon]

Like all of the drives pop up in bios but when I try to boot using the drive with windows, it says there isn’t an operating system.

[analog pulsar]

ooofhttps://i.imgur.com/i914mJN.png so much red

[obsidian wigeon]

not like you'll notice it tbh

[analog pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw6Xw_uKo58

i think he said upgrading ram gets performace upgrade

https://i.imgur.com/UPcpoPB.png sheeeeeesh

[untold vessel]

Can anyone help create the absolute best Price-to-Performance $1,000 Gaming and Graphic Design PC we can possibly come up with while taking into account the extreme deals we are seeing on nearly every website?

(Bonus, no ssd or storage required. Already purchased it!)

[obsidian wigeon]

Does it have to be prebuilt?

Or just a list

ah okay

imma brew one real quickly then

[untold vessel]

You're a god as always, Foxy! Thank you!

Thank you for the assist Rommy 👍

[eager vessel]

im excited

but i dont get it

I have ram capable of 4400

my bios crashed when i applied xmp...but when i manually made the changes, i am getting 4200...as to what was 2800

i cant get it to 4400 tho

[untold vessel]

You're getting 4200 even when manually setting it to 4400?

[eager vessel]

no, if i set it to 4400 it wont post

which i think is a mb issue

but i am excited

[fossil cedar]

Are you running 4 sticks or something?

[eager vessel]

yes

32 total

[fossil cedar]

That's it

[eager vessel]

*gb

[fossil cedar]

Also what cpu and motherboard?

[eager vessel]

10th gen i9, prime 490-a

it just took a bios update in may

there is a very noticeable performance increase

[fossil cedar]

Yeah its probably because 4 sticks, possibly could be the motherboard/ imc(integrated memory controller) or might need to be a bit more aggressive with the imc voltages than xmp

[eager vessel]

i thought about that

i dont want to push it, i mean a difference of 200mhz is not that big

and the cpu is liquid cooled/oc'd

[mossy venture]

liquid cooled doesnt mean much, it could be a 120mm aio or a 420mm aio

[eager vessel]

i dont even remember the stock speed

[mossy venture]

and even that wouldnt rly mean much, because quality also means a lot

[fossil cedar]

If it doesn't post with 4400, it's probably not stable at 4200 without tweaking

[eager vessel]

its been ok so far

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JKWrY9 @untold vessel This what I made

Not sure if 3060 is better in graphic design stuff

[mossy venture]

you can get a 6700xt in that budget

also did they say they didnt need storage?

[obsidian wigeon]

But the ram would have to be knocked down to 16 tho

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but ram can seem okay but still be unstable, run test mem 5 extreme anta profile to make sure, if it errors once it's unstable , it will probably take 2 hrs
https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[obsidian wigeon]

I didn't add storage

[mossy venture]

a bit over budget, but 6700xt https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pg2rY9

[obsidian wigeon]

take storage off on that one lol

then it'll fit the budget

[mossy venture]

i mean

[obsidian wigeon]

they don't need it

[mossy venture]

do they alr have storage?

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[mossy venture]

ah ok

[untold vessel]

Ye 1 tb p31

[mossy venture]

oh then

one sec

[untold vessel]

Okay new idea

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NyJkgb

[untold vessel]

What if we Don't buy a graphics card on purpose

and wait for the 4000 series

[mossy venture]

then i wouldnt build till 40 series

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[untold vessel]

Why so

[mossy venture]

do you already have a pc?

[untold vessel]

Better deals, better fit for 4000 series etc?

[mossy venture]

also, atx 3.0 psus

[untold vessel]

This new PC is for the cousin this time, whole family is doing it

[eager vessel]

i still have my sli 1080s 😦

[mossy venture]

ahh

[untold vessel]

oooooooh ooooh ohhh yes that's right

[fossil cedar]

Like 20$ more but worth, also that psu is way more than needed
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n8nGnt @untold vessel

[untold vessel]

still a goated gpu

[mossy venture]

could get an 850 gt off of b stock for $50

and use an adapter

[untold vessel]

Always grateful for your builds, Pato! Thank you!

[fossil cedar]

Np

[fossil cedar]

Why an adaptor?

[eager vessel]

idk if its true, but i read a headline, the 1060 is the most popular gpu

in use

[fossil cedar]

Oh nvm

[analog pulsar]

@obsidian wigeon should i got i7 12th gen or ryzen 7 6800H or ryzen 9 6900H amd cpus are $100 apart

[mossy venture]

i doubt it

1660s/ti, 1080/ti were all pretty popular

[obsidian wigeon]

go alder lake all the way

[eager vessel]

intel!

[untold vessel]

intel on top

[mossy venture]

alder lake is better perf, 6000 series is better battery life

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[fossil cedar]

If they already have a pc -> wait
If they don't -> buy now imo, you can just go 12400 non f instead i guess but you'll also be waiting 4? Months til like the 4070 or something comes out because 4080 and 90 will come out first

[obsidian wigeon]

6000 series is efficient

12th mobile gen is stronk

[untold vessel]

Now now everyone, I think we ALLLL know that the most overpowered GPU is the glorious 1630, the absolute best representation of the PC master race

[analog pulsar]

oh

https://i.imgur.com/SDdOo4U.png

these are for next day delivery

[fossil cedar]

Think it was on steam survey for a while ye

[eager vessel]

oooh

[untold vessel]

personally I'd do the 12700, for the price and upgrades in parts you just can't beat it

[fossil cedar]

I just would not get an Alienware laptop

[mossy venture]

^

[analog pulsar]

here is high specs so for some reason intel upgrade screen is $100 more and amd upgrade screen is only $50

[obsidian wigeon]

problem is kenzie applied for credit line of $2500 on dell

[eager vessel]

<looks at his sad envyx360 with no sound 😦

[obsidian wigeon]

so he only has one place to get laptops

[fossil cedar]

What how and why

[obsidian wigeon]

idk

[mossy venture]

kenzie

why do you do these things before consulting someone who knows about these products

[analog pulsar]

[mossy venture]

and only ask afterwards

[untold vessel]

The situation's a bit sticky. They have a 2017 iMac that can just barely run Minecraft and LoL, which thankfully, is all they want to play right now, they'd love to explore other games, but simply can't, although they'd like to and are in no rush

[analog pulsar]

i was talking to ggood

[untold vessel]

pardon

[mossy venture]

and he said to get $2500 of credit on dell

[fossil cedar]

If they are okay waiting then I'd wait full stop, 12400 igpu isn't going to be much better tbh, a bit but

[untold vessel]

That $2500 of credit on a Razer could have been spent so well

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/lwjKUa1.png

[mossy venture]

that isnt him saying to get it my guy

[rich void]

I don't know them, but taking out credit for consumer goods is not a good idea usually imo

Also just cause someone says you should do something (which it's not clear that they did) doesn't mean you should.
It's important to figure out who to listen to about what

[untold vessel]

I see, That's definitely the better option. I'll come back with this particular build in 4 months with some better knowledge. However, I doubt that there'll be a massive blowout sale when the 4000's come out, so is there ANY component that I can and absolutely should purchase right now

[eager vessel]

i agree with brauer

[analog pulsar]

no but we talked he said its not his decision to fill it out but he said bryce got a 3070 laptop

[eager vessel]

i never felt warm and fuzy about financing

[analog pulsar]

he said the choice is fine ofc bc its me getting a laptop

[fossil cedar]

^ for luxury goods, if you couldn't buy it twice you shouldn't be buying it

[analog pulsar]

credit lines are okay to take out just pay it back

[mossy venture]

what its sounding like

is that you asked multiple times and he gave up and said you do you

[analog pulsar]

no

he said he cant give me a yes or no bc he doesnt know much about financials

only knows like basic stuff not that much tho

[mossy venture]

ok

and then you took that as a go ahead?

instead of asking someone else

?

[analog pulsar]

so i talked to someone else about it that is not here

[rich void]

Eh

[untold vessel]

Well hold on folks, I think what we should really be asking is what laptop we should be getting on dell, because it seems like we can't cancel the credit anymore

Unless a cancellation is possible?

[analog pulsar]

well go back to this https://i.imgur.com/1yMoTSH.png

i have the specs i want i just dont know what cpu to put with the specs

[mossy venture]

theres more to laptops than cpu and gpu performance kenzie

[analog pulsar]

the other stuff looks fine too

well 12th gen and amd 6000 are ddr5

both are 1TB ssd

[mossy venture]

again

theres more to laptops than the face specs

[analog pulsar]

what else is there then

[mossy venture]

cooling, overall quality (which is why alienware is a nono), price/perf

[analog pulsar]

here we go again

[mossy venture]

k

[analog pulsar]

okay

https://i.imgur.com/DBhwpYp.png the specs are ryzen 9 5900HX and 3070

this is intel i7 11800H and 3080

[sand falcon]

I will once again propose just saving up what you would be putting to payments, and then after a few months buying a laptop without dealing with financing.

As a bonus, you wouldn't be limited to dell

If you can actually afford to buy something on a credit line, then you can afford to buy the same thing without a credit line a few months down the road

[analog pulsar]

ik but im tired of waiting

[mossy venture]

what do you need the laptop for

[analog pulsar]

wait

can i just return it if i dont like my purchase

https://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/vn/terms-conditions/art-us-return-policy

[sand falcon]

I have no clue how returns work with credit lines

I wouldn't be surprised if they have some way to gouge you for it

[analog pulsar]

lol

[sand falcon]

Dell may charge a restocking fee of 15%

Yup, they do

[frigid night]

can't cancel the order?

[analog pulsar]

https://i.imgur.com/MzcZiJw.png 😁 i ordered it time to se how cooling is

https://i.imgur.com/kLpIEGu.png

https://i.imgur.com/0jO9G9m.png

well im sure gaming isnt gunna push it to its limits

https://i.imgur.com/3c0orRN.png most people are saying its good

[sand falcon]

Ehhhhh

[forest briar]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-my-head-snoop-dogg-red-table-talk-smh-oh-man-gif-16483630

[obsidian wigeon]

shoulda gone for the g15

[analog pulsar]

i mean i can canel but how much fps im losing to go to 3070 ti to 3060

fine i cancel ill take a few days look over everything then choose

[frigid carbon]

I’ve tried everything I can find online and my computer still can’t find the OS. It’s been 2 hrs and imma just give up and get a new drive

[obsidian wigeon]

it seems like windows has been corrupted

might have to reinstall

[potent portal]

Or just the boot loader is corrupted

Is the drive shown in bios at all?

[frigid carbon]

Yes

All of them are but I the fixes I used last time this happened isn’t working this time

[analog pulsar]

What about this https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcworld.com/article/394645/alien-autopsy-meet-the-radical-element-31-cooling-inside-alienwares-new-x-series-gaming-laptops.html/amp

[potent portal]

Then it's probably not dead and just something corrupted. Easy fix is reinstall windows.

[potent portal]

That one was crap, they overhyped the cooling but it thermal throttles quickly

[analog pulsar]

Oh

Seems x15 and x17 also have 4 fans in laptop

[potent portal]

But they're so small they do almost nothing

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[untold vessel]

Alright guys, I'm looking to build a Non-Fully complete Shell Gaming PC with all of the great deals that are out right now. I'll be putting a 4000 series graphics card inside, most likely the 4060 or 4070, and need tips on which parts I can actually buy.

I made note that I should hold off on the power supply, and wait for something called atx-3, but other than that, what parts CAN I "pre-buy"? Case? Mobo? CPU? RAM? What's on the table?

[sand falcon]

By the time we have new GPUs we'll probably have new CPUs too, do I wouldn't plan too much just yet

[stoic island]

basically, wait for everything

since we don't know which of the next gen CPUs will be good, we don't know which mobos to get

and therefore we wouldn't know which ram to buy either

and case wise, might as well wait for everything else at this point

[rich void]

Wait

The best move is to secure whatever the hardest to get part is (based on recent experiences a 40 series GPU) and then get the rest of the parts

[untold vessel]

Thanks guys

I can always count on you

[rich helm]

Hey can someone recommend me a lga 1200 cpu for photoshop use

also if anyone knows of a decent 2x16gb 3600mhz ram kit

[tired turtle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rFrmFg anyone to double check this?

prolly just power supply

[mossy venture]

looks fine, id spend the extra for 4000d airflow if it were my build but p300a is still a good case

oh wait

also spend the extra $10 for msi b660a

[tired turtle]

wicked, cousin liked the look of the p300a better, actually the p360a white is what he is scooping im pretty sure, but i showed him that the 4000d and h510 airflow and just let him pick the case

ive got some fans im giving him too for it

ill update the mobo

thank you, and beautiful profile pic

[mossy venture]

h510 flow is meh

its better than h510 but overpriced

[tired turtle]

yeah all aesthetic choice tbh, also i use some wack ass cases for my builds so i know basically only about the p300a/4000d as the go to's

[mossy venture]

p360a, g360a, and 4000d airflow are my go tos

mb311l for matx

[tired turtle]

thank you forg, noted

[desert gulch]

mb311l def has some issues with some modern cards

[mossy venture]

true

[desert gulch]

its matx but it can get really tight for cards to breathe

lemme find a pic rq

[tired turtle]

open air.. ez fix

[desert gulch]

even that doesnt fix it

youd need like a riser cable/ vert mount to fix it

[glossy dragon]

can i get an analysis on this build? unnecessary parts etc

CPU - 5900x
GPU - 6900xt
RAM - 4 x 32gb of cl16 3200mhz
SSD 1 - 500gb 970 evo plus
SSD 2/3 - 1tb 970 evo plus
CPU COOLER - NH-D15
PSU - focus plus 1000w gold
MOBO - crosshair viii hero x570
CASE - masterbox Q500L

this next check is the last check needed to purchase it all

[olive cypress]

LOT of ram

[desert gulch]

purchasing that new would be quite bad value

[tired turtle]

LOL true, also no pricing on each part but imma assume bad value from the hardware lsited

[forest briar]

That’s what overkill looks like.

[olive cypress]

Yep

[desert gulch]

im not able to edit the part list but im sure another knowledgable person here can

[tired turtle]

not if its literally not being used

then its just useless not overkill

[olive cypress]

iTs FoR CYbeRbUg 2077

[strong raft]

Overkill is different than just straight wasting money, lol. AK620 beats D15, P31 Hynix beats 970 evo plus, etc

[rich void]

Eh

Overkill is by definition wasting money isn't it?

[tired turtle]

no lol

wasting money is wasting money, overkill you'd actually have a perfromance gain thats not needed for your usecase

[rich void]

an excess of something (such as a quantity or an action) beyond what is required or suitable for a particular purpose

[glossy dragon]

cpu $399
gpu $899
mobo $399
psu $289
ram $564
ssd $300 total

[rich void]

From Merriam Webster

I think an excess beyond what is required or suitable aligns nicely with a waste of money

[mossy venture]

what are you using the pc for, whats the budget, and do you already have a gpu

[tired turtle]

yes that is dictionary definition but this is straight up wasted funds with zero improvement to experience / visual aesthetic

[olive cypress]

564 for ram, both overkill and useless

[glossy dragon]

dont have a gpu budget is when i have saved enough so not a real number

use is photography edits and gaming

[mossy venture]

what is the budget

[glossy dragon]

there is not a budget

[mossy venture]

heres what i have so far https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YYF4Bj

[rich void]

I agree it's unnecessary but saying that two things that mean the same thing don't mean the same thing is weird to me

[mossy venture]

so you can spend $5000 without issue?

everyone has a max of what they want to spend

[olive cypress]

Could use a 6700 or 6800xt for this system

[glossy dragon]

its not a cost constraint but Im trying to stay team red

[tired turtle]

i dont think this is an argument worth pursuing ima just agree to disagree some people understood some didnt

[mossy venture]

12700f beats 5900x and is cheaper

[olive cypress]

Yep

[glossy dragon]

motherboard capability is also something i considered for awhile

i like the x570 platform

[mossy venture]

b550s are better than x570s, unless you need extra pcie lanes

in which case z690 would be the alternative

which would be this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GNbwk9

also could technichally utilize a gen 4 ssd, if wanted

s70 blade would be fine

[tired turtle]

mmm idk.. at this budget hes def making decisions based off aesthetic not pure bang for the buck

although i do think intel is the way no point in going 5900x or anything amd rn

[strong raft]

Besides the $169 P31, there are however certain gen 4 drives that are very close price to most gen 3 stuff. S70 (blade or not) & the copy named "adata premium" is $200ish. Would photog editing use that? Idk

[desert gulch]

g6 spendyyyyyyyyy

[strong raft]

It's not $270 though.

[desert gulch]

oh its a 1000w

[mossy venture]

its the 1000w instead of the 850

[desert gulch]

thought it was the 850 lol

[glossy dragon]

Ive seen large debates on whether AIOs are actually effective or not

from what ive seen that noctua is the best tdp cooler

[jagged ember]

basically

if you're going for air

[glossy dragon]

might i say that color is a dread on my vision

your name

[rich helm]

yo would a 11900k die under a 240mm msi cooler

[still roost]

DarbyDnk#0645 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[glossy dragon]

oops

are aios better or the same old same old as 6 months ago

[rich helm]

arctic freezer ii is a really good aio

[glossy dragon]

i knew it was a leader in aio back then but i thought the d15 still whooped its ahh

[rich void]

Nah, a good aio will beat an air cooler

It depends on the size of the aio ofc

[glossy dragon]

for the 5900x though is aio the way to go

i plan on doing a gentle oc on it

[strong raft]

Yea probably. Also the AK620 for $55-60 matches a D15. Btw S70 blade is exactly $200 on amazon currently, but if you wanted a really nice one P41 is $221 again w/ it's coupon. If gen 4 isn't needed for that photog work then P31 is very solid.

[glossy dragon]

the 970 evo plus is gen4 though and at 75 per tb its a lower price point on the p31

[strong raft]

The 970 is gen 3 bruh. Is the $150 sale back? That's a fine choice then. I jist wanted the best gen 3 & $20 was worth it

[glossy dragon]

also i can separate games on one and photos etc on the other

my bad on the gen3/4 i didnt read deep enough on that

[thorn merlin]

What RAM is better this https://www.csv-direct.de/artinfo.php?artnr=A0441446&KATEGORIE=0441&pva=geizhals2 OR this https://www.csv-direct.de/artinfo.php?artnr=A0440380&KATEGORIE=0441&pva=geizhals2

Guys i Need a fast answer

[mossy venture]

Theyre the same

[analog pulsar]

no one kit is black and other is grey

[pseudo forge]

Hey can anyone help me my PC keeps crashing and making a loud buzzing noise after a few seconds it’s restarts itself

Anyone know what might be the issue

[flint sapphire]

Maybe something shorting

Check your case for any loose screws or something that might be touching your motherboard. I will say though probably should’ve turned off immediately if that was the issue

[pseudo forge]

So it seems to only happen when I’m playing valorant

[flint sapphire]

might be a gigabyte psu (I’m not gunna be much help from here on I’m at work)

[mossy venture]

What psu do you have

[pseudo forge]

cooler master v2 850w 80plus gold fullly modular

[mossy venture]

Loud buzzing noise

That's a uhh

What's the word

[pseudo forge]

no the buzzing noise isnt from the pc

i hear it in my headphones

[mossy venture]

(Warning, this is loud and high pitched, might want to turn audio down)

[pseudo forge]

no

[mossy venture]

Deleting it so no one's ears die if they click it

[pseudo forge]

its not that high pitched and sounds a little different

hhaha

[mossy venture]

Is it similar at all?

I'm assuming it's a bsod noise

Check windows event viewer

Run an sfc/scannow in command prompt, if you know how

And do you know what ram you have?

Are you mixing ram from two different kits?

[pseudo forge]

no idea how to do this

crosshair 16gb vengance pro

[mossy venture]

Corsair?

[pseudo forge]

corsair sorry looool

[mossy venture]

Also in windows search bar, type in cmd

Run command prompt as admin

Type in sfc/scannow

No spaces

And hit enter

Do you have xmp/docp enabled?

If corsair did a corsair and has diff dies in each stick, it could be causing crashes

[obsidian wigeon]

corsair even does diff dies in same kit?

wtf

[desert gulch]

gotta cut costs

[obsidian wigeon]

tfw silicon power does it better but cheaper

[mossy venture]

If they don't have xmp or docp enabled, it's likely to not be the ram

[desert gulch]

buzzing noise could be coil whine in a loading screen or something

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[mossy venture]

Because from what I've been told, ram is fine at jedec with mixed dies

[desert gulch]

fps limiter can help if its mainly happening in loading screens and stuff

[mossy venture]

That isn't an issue with valo though

Not that I know of anyways

[desert gulch]

like 2k fps in loading screens?

[mossy venture]

I never had it with my fps uncapped on my 3600

[runic spruce]

mc java is more cpu based right? bc my im averaging like 30-40 fps maxed out settings with a i7 10700k and a 3090

[sand falcon]

It's everything based

[desert gulch]

unless you have a ton of shaders and stuff, yeah its cpu based typically

[sand falcon]

You can keep adding shaders or resource packs to bring even the fastest gaming system to a stuttering halt

[obsidian wigeon]

mc do be stuttering these days for me

idk how to fix it tbh

except playing old versions

[desert gulch]

java also doesnt really care for more cores, it just want a faster core

[sand falcon]

There are same jvm flags that'll help

And of course stuff like optifine or sodium

[obsidian wigeon]

i can't enjoy the game much cause of the stutters

[desert gulch]

java uses mainly one core xD

java moment

[obsidian wigeon]

even with optifine the stutters still happen

[runic spruce]

changing the chunk loader increases fps

[desert gulch]

have optifine?

[sand falcon]

Have you tried sodium

[obsidian wigeon]

i have ya

same result

[sand falcon]

Darm

[runic spruce]

i dont think so

[desert gulch]

optifine is nice

helps perf a good bit typically

[obsidian wigeon]

optifine and sodium does boost fps

but the stutters persist

[sand falcon]

There was a third one too, I forget what it was

[obsidian wigeon]

iris?

[sand falcon]

I thought iris was just shaders, idk though

[runic spruce]

im getting a lot of stutters

[obsidian wigeon]

i tried iris

[runic spruce]

32 chunks aint worth it

[obsidian wigeon]

it's well sodium with shaders

[sand falcon]

How much ram are you giving it?

[obsidian wigeon]

last time i gave it like 6 gigs

that was when i had 8

[runic spruce]

32gb of ram

[obsidian wigeon]

i now have 12 gigs of ram on this laptop

i might try running mc again with this extra ram

[runic spruce]

nice

i think imma just buy bedrock

i kinda want to play in rtx

bedrock is free if u have java, pretty nice

[obsidian wigeon]

I do have java

[strong idol]

whats up gamers i have a question
does anyone think it would be worth upgrading from the r7 3700x to the 9 5900x?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TJn84s

current pc^

[mossy venture]

Are you gaming?

[strong idol]

yes

[mossy venture]

I'd upgrade ram to a 32gb kit

Tridentz has a white rgb kit

Also, depends on price of the 5900x

But 3700x is pretty much fine to pair with a 3080 or 6800xt in most cases

[strong idol]

5900x is about $400 rn

if there is a gpu on sale, im going to see about getting it but i think im really just trying to justify future-proofing

[mossy venture]

Future proofing isn't a thing

Especially when upgrading something you already have

The limiting factors in your build are gpu and ram, not cpu

Which is why I'd upgrade those first

[strong idol]

how would ram limit it?

I would like to upgrade ram but ive never been able to justify it, probably because i never saw any problems with mine

[mossy venture]

16gb isn't enough when you're considering putting a 5900x or 6800xt/3080 in your system

[strong idol]

ah

do you think it would be dumb if i mixed it with these?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08SQRF8MJ?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[desert gulch]

mixing ram generally isnt reccomended

especially ram like that where its not reliably binned/same die

[strong idol]

ok what if i just replaced the current with those?

[desert gulch]

those arent great value for what you get

[strong idol]

whats wrong with them

im a little uneducated on ram

[desert gulch]

its just overpriced for a meh at best product

if you want rgb ram in 32gb, check this out https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820301424?

[strong idol]

isnt ddr4 3200 worse than 3600

[desert gulch]

this stuff has a lower latency

so the corsair may be like a half fps better type of thing

if it runs at that speed, which it most likely would

[strong idol]

oh

where do i see latency

[desert gulch]

the latency is the "cl"

like cl16, cl18, etc

basically on this chart, the lower the number in the color, the better

[strong idol]

red is good?

[desert gulch]

green is good

but some of the stuff here is just calculated using formula, most of it is physically impossible to achieve with modern hardware

generally 3200cl16 and 3600cl18 are the best value for a 2x16 kit

[strong idol]

so cl are the numbers on the left?

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[strong idol]

how can i see cl on ram before i buy it

would it be in the specs on the website its being sold on?

[desert gulch]

mhmm

the kit i posted above would be great value if you want rgb lights on it

[strong idol]

i cant find it on the kit you posted

[desert gulch]

if you dont care for the rgb stuff, this is great https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820301435?

both kits ive posted are 3200 cl16

[strong idol]

oh i found it

so i would need at least 32gb of ram before i upgrade to a better cpu/gpu?

[desert gulch]

not a need, but it may be nice depending on what you do

you can always upgrade later tho after you get a cpu/gpu

[strong idol]

ill send the list again but do you think it would be better to upgrade cpu or gpu

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TJn84s

[desert gulch]

what do you do with the pc?

[strong idol]

im not really having any major problems, just some lag sometimes while playing fps like warzone

mainly game but light work on it as well

nothing like video editing

[desert gulch]

what type of games other than warzone?

[strong idol]

thats mainly it, sometimes the forest, fortnite, gta

val

95 percent of the time its warzone

[desert gulch]

stuttering sounds like something that could be fixed by updating drives if you havent, or doing ddu

!ddu

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[strong idol]

ive kept everything up to date but ill check out ddu

[cyan ravine]

I would match that kit of ballistix those are usually great ram sticks

[strong idol]

stuttering mainly happens in warzone and that game is horribly optimized so idk if thats the issue

[strong idol]

they dont sell mine anymore

[cyan ravine]

Yeah, you have to hunt for them now, they're going out of stock everywhere sadly

[strong idol]

if i could match specs but get 32gb instead, you think it would make a difference if i put them with my current?