building-and-recc-chat

[analog pulsar]

@potent portal ill keep this in mind for when more money comes in

[desert gulch]

Cheap game cam is where it's at for that stuff imo

[potent portal]

4:56, https://youtu.be/xdzo-uAvz5Y

[analog pulsar]

huh

[potent portal]

Direct shock to the USB port and it keeps going

[cyan ravine]

Ooo, maybe put an old laptop on recording in the garage overnight

With a webcam

[potent portal]

How's the night vision on that laptop though

[analog pulsar]

not an option

[desert gulch]

People use them to find where animals are at and stuff

[analog pulsar]

hmmmm

[desert gulch]

They work at night good too, and store pics to a SD card on them

[analog pulsar]

is there like a system i can hook up to my pc to monitor everything

[desert gulch]

Probs but more expensive

@analog pulsar here's one I have

Their main purpose is animals at night typically so they work pretty well

[analog pulsar]

hmmmmm

[worn wave]

If you are willing to spend hundreds

[analog pulsar]

well its going into garage

[worn wave]

Ubiquiti has incredible stuff

[analog pulsar]

well ig i dont need that like now since i dont live near lots of people

[worn wave]

If their damn products were in stock

[desert gulch]

Should still work in there tbh

[analog pulsar]

okay

[timber marsh]

By cance could someone recommend me a build around $1500 that runs games at 1080p well and Also would look nice?

[fossil cedar]

build yourself? You in the US? and what kind of look are you going for?

[analog pulsar]

lol shipping

[desert gulch]

dont bother, weve already reccomended them lists and they said theyre gonna buy "when ada comes out"

[fossil cedar]

Ah okey

[spring hedge]

@fossil cedar yesterday you send me a pc with was wifi but can it still work with ethernet?

you send me the https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09PXD16F6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[spring hedge]

oki

thanks

and one more thing im new to pc building so idk but do i need cords and fans for the pc or does that stuff come with it?

[hot holly]

Should come with it

[spring hedge]

ok

[hot holly]

Your case may have a fan

[spring hedge]

ok and i have a question for you so should i get the 4000d or the lian li 215

[hot holly]

Whatever is cheaper

[spring hedge]

someone told me to get the lancool 2 for a 3080 is that good its costs $130 and the 215 is $90

[analog pulsar]

@frigid night also why buy one when you can buy 2

2 x G34WQC on top of each other while having 2 x m27q on each side

[jagged ember]

and you only wanted to spend 100 on a ups...

[frigid night]

Speaking of ups.. what is out there thats recomended?

I got one, but I believe the battery is dead.

[jagged ember]

apc or cyberpower ones

currently using a cyberpower 1500va one

[frigid night]

https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP550SLG-Standby-Outlets-Compact/dp/B002QAUN2M

[jagged ember]

it's worked over multiple power outages

[frigid night]

This is what I currently have

Sorry for long link

[jagged ember]

you can replace the battery

[frigid night]

Yeah, I have a couple spare batts, just wasn't sure if what I currently have is good enough.

[frigid night]

Oh, my 550 is probably not enough then?

[jagged ember]

it might be

how many watts does your psu suck back under load?

[frigid night]

Why you gotta call me out?

[jagged ember]

and how long does the battery indicate it lasts when you're under load

[frigid night]

I'll look when I get home.

No indicator

[jagged ember]

ohh

is there not software included with it?

[frigid night]

Uhh.. well my job upgraded to a 750 and the tech guy threw the 550 at me and said take this home for your pc.

[jagged ember]

huh

[frigid night]

So I don't know much about it.

[jagged ember]

I mean, put pc under load and pull the plug from the ups

if pc doesn't shut off immediately it should be enough for a quick shutdown at least

[frigid night]

I think its dead though, because red led battery light is on.. manual said its prob bad.

[jagged ember]

oh rip

[frigid night]

I'll look at it when I get home.

@cyan rune nice build. Your DMs open? Got something I came across on etsy to send to you.

Not pg, but not rated r

[strong raft]

5-20min depending on pc & battery size.

[potent portal]

You can swap those out

[cyan rune]

If you’re Laurie, than my DM’s are closed. If you aren’t Laurie, send me anything you want to

Also thank you very much

Those figurines cost as much as my damn cpu cooler

[hot holly]

Why and who is Laurie

[cyan rune]

It’s personal

I want nothing to do with Laurie, and I hope she doesn’t message me

hint: Halloween 1, 1978

[analog pulsar]

BOI THAT WAS TOMIE TALKING THREW MY PC

[jagged ember]

i mean the problem was

it was absolutely believable

[analog pulsar]

we already said tomie lives in poor place

stuff thats like $400 here is gunna be like $20 bucks where she lives

[jagged ember]

that had nothing to do with the fact that it was tomie instead of you lol

[analog pulsar]

yes but its a $100 UPS

ofc its gunna be 100

[jagged ember]

yes, the floor here is made of floor

[analog pulsar]

omg Wides

[jagged ember]

anyways, good to know you aren't buying a sus ups

[analog pulsar]

wkduejwjeidjehqjjxjwjqisidshqbwbdd

@frigid night person didnt message me back yet im getting inpatint

[jagged ember]

didn't you already get b&h one

just get another

[analog pulsar]

no i was waiting

for him to respond

[jagged ember]

he isn't responding probably because he knows you found out theres something wrong with the display

[analog pulsar]

i could get 2

[jagged ember]

its like 8pm or whatever already

[analog pulsar]

no he said he wasnt home

[jagged ember]

anyone who works would be home by now

[analog pulsar]

should i message him asking if he home yet

[jagged ember]

unless he's a nightguard at fnaf

[analog pulsar]

brb

[jagged ember]

but then he'd be free in the afternoon...

hmmmmm

[analog pulsar]

my work scedule is 1pm to 10pm

[jagged ember]

yeah but you can still text during work

and he could tell you 'i'm still not home'

instead of doing nothing

[analog pulsar]

no

[frigid night]

Prolly cuz he knows you're onto him about the panel.

[jagged ember]

see

[analog pulsar]

hmmmm

[analog pulsar]

idk he responded

[jagged ember]

'give me a little bit' proceeds to take 7 hours

[analog pulsar]

i mean im not in to big of a rush hehe

[jagged ember]

wtf is that fan doing in latest pc build pic

[earnest olive]

cooling vram probably

i have a fan on my 3090 backplate too

it helps more than you'd think

[jagged ember]

i guess so

[earnest olive]

and i have a strix

FE has worse cooling

for me it's like a 10C vram temp drop

[jagged ember]

so strange considering there's already fan there lol

[earnest olive]

uhh no

FE only has one fan on the back

[jagged ember]

wait what

i thought it had two

[jagged ember]

yeah no this is what i remember

[earnest olive]

there's one fan on each side

[analog pulsar]

wym

[jagged ember]

but the one fan inside the gpu isn't enough?

[analog pulsar]

a lot of people have fans on gpu

3000 series goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[earnest olive]

...have you ever used a 3090 FE?

[jagged ember]

honestly, no

kenzie would know though

[earnest olive]

like im telling you as an owner of a better 3090 model that it's a 10C drop

lmao

[analog pulsar]

my xc3 3090 got hot

[jagged ember]

ic

[earnest olive]

i didnt put that fan there for fun

[jagged ember]

it's just weird that they allowed the vram to reach such high temps

[earnest olive]

outdated cooler designs

[analog pulsar]

I ran it through the self-diagnostics and the main board seems to be working, the compressor kicks on and runs, but never gets cool. fridge broke

[earnest olive]

coolers should come with protrusions in the cold plate for vram and use thermal paste

instead of relying on 2-3mm thick thermal pads

[analog pulsar]

@earnest olive I found a 34 inch monitor hehe

[earnest olive]

it's honestly a travesty that gigabyte was allowed to sell me a 3080 that hit 110C out of the box in gaming

[jagged ember]

truly ridiculous

[earnest olive]

vram temps fell to 64C with better pads

now imagine if the cooler was actually designed to cool vram

[analog pulsar]

I got video

[earnest olive]

i can even tell if my backplate fan is at the wrong rpm because it makes that much difference to vram temps

my fan curve didn't apply correctly and my backplate fan was running 700 RPM instead of 1300 RPM

that manifested itself as a 6C difference in vram temps

[analog pulsar]

looks working

[jagged ember]

yeah but clearly whatever those streaks are aren't glare

i'd just go with b&h

it's like what, 30 dollar difference with warranty?

[analog pulsar]

well ill just meet guy really quick or somwthing

@frigid night hey monitor works and everything dont you think its an okay buy

[jagged ember]

its

30 bucks

on a 300 dollar purchase

or whatever the difference is

I would not sweat about paying a little more for warranty

[analog pulsar]

307 then i gotta wait 4 days plus warrenty doesnt cover most stuff plus not like i need warrenty anyway and other thing is i think BH ships with fedex so 99% monitor gunna be broken

plus theres no tax on local items

plus worst worst case scenario it breaks and i learn my lesson then but he sent video of display working and everything

[jagged ember]

and you lose money

about 300 dollars of it

[tame crater]

Can someone help im tryna build my first pc for around 1-1.2 i have no idea what to look for

[cyan ravine]

USD?

What are you using it for?

@tame crater

[tame crater]

@cyan ravine just gaming really

[cyan ravine]

Ok, in US dollars or another currency?

[tame crater]

US

[cyan ravine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LW9qbK

Something like this

There's some room left in there for a mouse and keyboard ($120) but that's not really my forte

Less if you factor in windows

@tame crater

[tame crater]

@cyan ravine should i go for a cheaper monitor for better upgrades?

[stoic island]

wouldn't go below like a 24g2 at 170$

worse than that you're just handicapping yourself, doesn't matter how well your PC performs if you can't see it

[tame crater]

Ok ty

[still roost]

888#4691 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tame crater]

Didnt see the price of it on newegg at first

[analog pulsar]

@subtle halo @jagged ember @frigid night monitor secure

[jagged ember]

good job spending a couple less bucks

[analog pulsar]

seat belt

[analog pulsar]

meh i mean it works and theres not that line

[scenic turret]

same one as mine nice lol

ALSO THATS SO SKETCH LMAO

[subtle halo]

yeah

go 200miles per hour

then press break

[subtle halo]

oh good u put seat belt

[analog pulsar]

what is

[analog pulsar]

lol

[scenic turret]

seatbelts haha

[analog pulsar]

gotta keep safe

[thick vault]

hey do you guys know if i should get an rtx 3060 right now or an rx 6600/6600xt

[frank stirrup]

what u got rn

[frigid night]

it doesn't have that weird thing on the screeen?

[frigid night]

it's broken. you don't want it. send it to me.

[icy crater]

Hey y'all, I was looking for a wifi extender to improve my internet connection.

Is this one any good?

https://www.newegg.com/p/36J-004G-00003?item=9SIACYN8GH3812&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-Capital+One+Shopping&AFFID=3179863&AFFNAME=Capital+One+Shopping&ACRID=1&ASUBID=e820bee4b88a4a05a95505905f44acdd&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fcapitaloneshopping.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=3179863&ranSiteID=3.BIL10dmOI-COUl9smcg6DyO_o4qB7trg

Here's a screenshot if you don't want to click on the link but it seems like a good deal. I was either deciding to buy a powerline Ethernet thingy or mesh wifi extender. I really need some advice.

*Uh oh I read some amazon reviews about this product and now I'm rethinking whether to buy it or not even though it seems like a deal.

[obsidian wigeon]

i would do powerline ethernet if you don't absolutely need wifi

[icy crater]

I just found out this doesn't come with ethernet port. >.<
Do you have any recommendations? I just want to get better internet connection when gaming and streaming videos.

[little osprey]

Hey guys i have an rx 570 with and amd ryzen 3600 1tb hdd and 240gb ssd and a 550w psu and im struggling with my gpu atm

Im looking to get a rtx 3060 and a nvme, would a 550w psu be enough?

[obsidian wigeon]

i would suggest getting a better psu

it would do fine but pushing it

[little osprey]

Is 700w enough?

And do you think it is a bottleneck with my ryzen 3600?

[obsidian wigeon]

not at all, it's not gonna bottleneck even with a 3090 if you play at the right res

and that should be enough, but lemme find a decent psu for you

[little osprey]

Awesome!

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3gJmP6/evga-g5-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g5-0650-x1

get this one

[little osprey]

Alright tysm!

[timber marsh]

If anyone gets a chance to check this out it would be awesome 😄 Just curious for opinions! https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4jhDzf

[frigid night]

That motherboard/cpu combo sucks. I mean.. it works, but why get a 12600k that you can overclock, but a mobo that can't overclock it efficiently?

Give me a min,.

[fossil cedar]

E cores

[frigid night]

afaik a b660 can only oc bclk right and not the core clocks?

[fossil cedar]

Yes only bclk oc

[timber marsh]

If you got a better recomendation id like to hear it. Im tryn to save money and im not knolagable when it comes to overclocking and probably wont be doing any lmao

[frigid night]

yeah, I'm putting something together 🙂

[timber marsh]

Ty

I dont rlly know what im doin when it comes to cpu's and motherboard

[fossil cedar]

Budget of 1500?

[frigid night]

Do you have a budget?>

[timber marsh]

Yeah around

[frigid night]

what pato said

[timber marsh]

$1500

Goal for the system is 1080p, no 2k, 4k. Light gaming and school work

[fossil cedar]

Only light gaming at 1080p?

No reason to spend that much then

[timber marsh]

Im tryn to think what I ment by light gaming

I still wanting to play SOME games that have nice graphics but im not playing Red dead, warzone type stuff

I stick to stuff like, Valorant, Valheim, Minecraft, stuff like that

[fossil cedar]

Then you can save a lot more money

[frigid night]

I'll let pato take over. I take forever putting something together.

[timber marsh]

lmao alright np

I also want to be on the safe side incase i ever deside to go play harder to run games

[frigid night]

usually by the time I do, someone else has thrown out something better lol

[mossy venture]

It is... awful

[timber marsh]

fair enough XD

[timber marsh]

I do dabble in the art of Rust, so I feel like i may need a better pc to run it :/

And im also thinking that if i were to lower the specs on some of the hardwhere it may not be worth it, like if I were to get a 20 series or 16 series Nvidia GPU that price wise it may be worth just spending the extra 100-200 on the 3060 or somthin

[fossil cedar]

This is a VERY capable pc for what you want it will last ages
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wJ2QRv

You can actually spend less but that will last for ages and you can go 1440p monitor with it

[timber marsh]

oh sick, would I need a better cooleror would that work fine?

cooler*

also would the PSU be enough in the future if I wanted to upgrade my gpu or would I need to buy another?

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yMKJk9

Or this if you wanna save money just not as good gpu, still plenty for 1080p tho

[fossil cedar]

Nope the list will work perfectly as it is

[timber marsh]

any need for more fans?

[fossil cedar]

Depends on how high tier of gpu and how high the power will go in the future, tbh but a new connector will be coming out for that anyway, 650w is plenty for the moment anyway

[fossil cedar]

You can add more if you want yeah, if you where I'd grab some arctic p12's

[timber marsh]

Would those require any sort of hub for 3 or more?

[frigid night]

Would those be overkill where a cheaper fan would be just as good?

[timber marsh]

arnt they like 9 bucks per?

[fossil cedar]

There is 2 headers on the board for case fans but you can get the arctic p12 pst which daisy chain

Arctic p12s are the only fan worth buying imo, like 8$ each

Or something like that

No point getting a worse fan when one of the best is so cheap

[frigid night]

true

[fossil cedar]

@timber marsh you can grab the 5 pack for 29
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LmCFf7/arctic-p12-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-acfan00137a

[frigid night]

I just woke up. forgive me Lord Pato

[fossil cedar]

Lol all good

[timber marsh]

I must ask because im clueless when it comes to case fans, does daisy chain mean they connect and share power through the connection?

[fossil cedar]

Maybe a drawing might help 1 sec

[frigid night]

ooo a pato drawing? :p

[timber marsh]

Also im lookin how many fan plugs are on the board? I only see the 2 at the top, one of them id assume would be for cpu cooler

[fossil cedar]

Very poor but basically, red is the pwm connector, this gives power as well as determines speed, green is the daisy chain, just a pwm header basically, same as you would find on a motherboard except in cable form, yellow is motherboard and blue is fan

[timber marsh]

10/10

[frigid night]

What..... is.... that....?!

HAHAHA

I love you Pato

[fossil cedar]

Lol

I'm not an ariiist

[timber marsh]

erm

I kinda understand but uh

yeah

[frigid night]

hm. Fan 3 plugs into fan2. Fan 2 then plugs into fan 1. Fan 1 then plugs into the motherboard.

the motherboard sends the power through fan 1 2 and 3.

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[frigid night]

I am missing one of my 3 arctic p12s or I'd show you.

I have no idea where it went since my drawer full of fans is the only place it should be.

with it's 2 brothers.

[fossil cedar]

I mean it works on 2

[frigid night]

I'm missing the one with the daisy chain

it's my LFII one

it's not a normal daisy chain arctics

[fossil cedar]

F

[frigid night]

yeah rip

it might be in my 4000D box in the closet.

[timber marsh]

@fossil cedarso just to clerify there will be enough fan headers on the board? I only see 2, do you need one for the cpu or do you use a diffent header for that

again not very knolagable now that I realize 😭

[frigid night]

@timber marsh yes

as long as you get the fans that can daisy chain

you could run up to 7 or so fans off that one header.

@timber marsh. that motherboard actually has a cpu fan header and 2 additional fan headers.. one being a waterblock header as well.

[analog pulsar]

nope

like i said it was probs dirt

i mean can you see anything ?

[frigid night]

You liking it?

[analog pulsar]

im gunna have to get used to the diffrent color

ips vs va

[frigid night]

Oh yeah it's a little different

[analog pulsar]

yea i can feel my brain trying to agaust to it

[frigid night]

Adjust*

😘

[analog pulsar]

yea

[timber marsh]

Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wGYPzf

Specs:
CPU: i5-12400F 6c 12t
Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34
RAM: 32gb DDR4 3200mhz
Storage: 2TB M.2
GPU: RX 6600 XT 8GB
PSU: Be quiet PP11 750w 80+ Gold
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P200A
Price: ~$1100

Credit: Mr. Pota :3

Anyone think I should change anything?

[obsidian wigeon]

considering it's an itx build

that's a good list

[timber marsh]

alr awesome 🙂

[fossil cedar]

My list is better

[obsidian wigeon]

oh wait i thought they said pato

lol

[fossil cedar]

Cooler is just as good and twice the price and power supply is horribly overpriced

That mainly is my build so maybe?

[timber marsh]

I was looking for a modular one that had the same watage, I just didnt want to need to worry about the amount of cables in the PC, even though its a translucent side panel

[fossil cedar]

If you really want mod do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w9kvZw

[timber marsh]

Ah alright ty

[fossil cedar]

Np

[timber marsh]

How long do you think it would be viable for games and stuff?

I don't want to NEED to upgrade for a while afterwards

[mossy venture]

Depends on what you call viable

It'll run all games for years to come

But eventually you'll have to put settings on low

[timber marsh]

60 fps min, md settings

thats viable for me

[mossy venture]

I'd imagine smthn like 3-4 years, and then you can put a new gpu in and be fine

[fossil cedar]

More than that

At 1080p that will probably last you for like 7 years or so

[timber marsh]

Main game ill be playing is rust, which i think is more gpu intensive

[mossy venture]

I think rust is will optimized for amd, iirc

[timber marsh]

nvm id asume more CPU intensive because open world ish which makes sence why it wont run well on my i7-2600 ;-;

[fossil cedar]

12400f curb stomps 2600

[timber marsh]

Yeah lmao, first computer is kinda doo doo to say the least, 7yr old ish

It works though, 1050ti LP and i7-2600 is surprisingly decent for some games but all low settings ;/

[spiral vale]

What one is the best for Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor?

Lmk if you need links .

[forest briar]

How much are you looking to spend

Also you’ll want a Z690 chipset for the 12700

At least that’s what was recommend to me very highly for that processor. Here, btw.

[spiral vale]

Ok 👍

[forest briar]

The MSI MPG Force line is excellent

Have the same processor myself on an MSI MPG Force Wi-Fi for my build

This’n

[spiral vale]

My theme is all black

[forest briar]

There’s a carbon edition

Looks very nice

[spiral vale]

Dang out of my budget

[thorn coyote]

Can I build my pc on my gaming desk?

I got everything to build it. But I don't have any static safe tools and i'm nervous to bulid it.

[forest briar]

You’ll be fine without it

Touch a piece of metal to discharge yourself if you’re that worried

[mossy venture]

If you dont plan to oc, get a 12700f and an msi b660 mag bazooka

[forest briar]

Tag the other guy

I already have my stuff

[mossy venture]

@spiral vale

[spiral vale]

Yo

[mossy venture]

Replied ti the wrong person

[forest briar]

All good lol

[mossy venture]

This

[spiral vale]

oc?

[mossy venture]

Overclock

[spiral vale]

Ya I dont

[mossy venture]

Then no point in a k sku

I'd get a 12700f and b660 mag bazooka like I said

[spiral vale]

Ok 👍

[fossil cedar]

Z690 a pro if you're in the us

[spiral vale]

I am in the us

[empty pollen]

12700f can max boost without problems on an ak620 right pato?

[fossil cedar]

Msi z690 a pro then

[fossil cedar]

Ehh probably, but evga clc 280 is the meta cooler atm anyway, 60$

[empty pollen]

with a pair of p12, gotcha

[fossil cedar]

No need for p12s

You can replace for quiter

Quieter*

But you can also just cap the fans a bit

[empty pollen]

somehow i was under the impression that the ones on the clc were bad and loud, good price for the aio but need better fans

[fossil cedar]

Just a bit loud

P12s are better but not needed

[empty pollen]

👍

[fossil cedar]

First full fan speed, 2nd noise normalised

Granted the clc is 360 in this graph but 280 vs 360 isnt overclocked a huge deal

[empty pollen]

well 42db at full load is kinda loud but not that much, tuned to 50 or 70% should be manageable

thx for those charts pato 🙂

wait i saw the worng one

60db... damn

[obsidian wigeon]

looooud

[empty pollen]

yeah hahaha, yup definitely need better fans as well xD

[spiral vale]

Motherboard is kinda out of my budget, looking for something in the $180 usd range with wifi

[empty pollen]

pro b660m-a have a wifi version at 150usd

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[spiral vale]

I’m just curious, what is the difference between ATX and mATX ?

[empty pollen]

size

[forest briar]

It is mostly about form factor in how many PCIE slots are available

doesn’t matter since 90% of build these days only ever use one for the graphics card

[empty pollen]

you save money on matx mobos by cutting slots that you will left unused anyway

[worn wave]

If you are going with a lower end system, sure.

[empty pollen]

ofc

If you are going for something higher for storage/connectivity you dont consider an matx, plus you obviously have the coin for a full atx anyway

on a tight budget matx offers good functionality at affordable price

[mossy venture]

Msi b660a wifi

[fossil cedar]

You can just limit the speed yeah

[fossil cedar]

B660m mortar wifi is 160$

[desert gulch]

Or just go x ax since $160 for a b660m mortar wifi is only $10 less

[thick vault]

I wish but I live with 3 siblings so yeah

I really do want Ethernet

[cyan rune]

@runic spruce ay I think we have the same case

[runic spruce]

Corsair 275r airflow?

[cyan rune]

Yeah

You’ve got a 3090 it looks like?

[runic spruce]

Yea

[cyan rune]

Neat

I wouldn’t be able to fit all my bichaels with a 3090

Also, you know

It was $2,000 when I got my gpu

[runic spruce]

Dang

I was originally gonna get a 3070 or 3080 but bb only had a 3090 in stock

[cyan rune]

Dang

[runic spruce]

I just saw u posted your pc right above mine in the build pics

[cyan rune]

Yep

With all the bichaels

[runic spruce]

I was gonna get a noctua cooler like that too but changed my mind for an aio

[cyan rune]

Probably a good idea

I wanted my pc to look as dumb as possible

[runic spruce]

I remember the cable management in the back of case is pretty bad

Basically shoved wires in the shroud cause I used braided cables

[cyan rune]

It seems like that’s the case with 90% of people

I did the same

If I slide the back panel, it literally pops off from all the cables being pressed against it

[runic spruce]

Mine is a little bit organized so it doesn’t really pop off

Btw I think noctua sells like covers for their air coolers so u can like buy a plate to cover the heat sink

[cyan rune]

Huh

I might look into those

And put bichael stickers on it

[analog pulsar]

you guys want tech advice haha

[runic spruce]

Well it’s mainly aesthetics

[runic spruce]

Sure ig

[cyan rune]

I’m good

[forest briar]

No you don’t

No you definitely don’t

[runic spruce]

@cyan rune https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiYrpT7rsn4AhVGKEwKHcuDB8sYABABGgJvYQ&ae=2&sig=AOD64_0FFJghsgCeJEZsFI1zreJ1_foTgA&adurl&ctype=5&ved=2ahUKEwje_4j7rsn4AhVYAp0JHXvYB74Qwg96BAgBEGU

Here’s an Amazon link for those

[cyan rune]

Oh cool

I’ll add them to my Halloween wishlist

[desert gulch]

Lmaooo love the new role

Did you get the freezer home?

[fossil cedar]

Can't justify that personally at that stage you're 10$ yourself into a z690 a pro lol

[desert gulch]

Could go pro b660m-a wifi for $150 then

[fleet heron]

Halloween?

[cyan rune]

Halloween.

[analog pulsar]

hello

can someone help me

i got a dash cam for my car

so i need a micro SD card

will this work

this is the slot

@desert gulch can you help ?

[desert gulch]

I'm outside on mobile

I can't hardly see it lol

[analog pulsar]

oh

[west timber]

i know nothing abt pcs can someone help me pick some parts

[worn wave]

You might want to lookup the specs to see what exact type of SD card that thing supports

[forest briar]

Here’s before wire management

Here’s after. Still cleaning up a few extra wires

Done done

[leaden mauve]

cat

[analog pulsar]

@worn wave

[worn wave]

That does not say crap.

It says 8GB to 64GB so it might support SDXC then

[fleet heron]

8/10 you should add some led

Actually 9/10

[forest briar]

I have it

I have a new power strip arriving in 3 minutes literally from Amazon to use it

[spiral vale]

Should I buy NZXT H510 Flow, Phanteks Eclipse G360A or Corsair 4000D Airflow?

[forest briar]

Phanteks

Nzxt is poo

[spiral vale]

👍

I’m prob going to get the Corsair 4000D because I don’t want to risk the Phanteks not fitting my gpu

[analog pulsar]

says microSD

[analog pulsar]

or you can look at thw gpu MM lenth and see if it fits

[spiral vale]

👍

[worn wave]

Yes, and there are different kinds of SD cards and standards.

[analog pulsar]

oh

[untold vessel]

What's better for RAM, 8X4 32gb or 16x2 32gb

[forest briar]

If you’re motherboard supports quad channel the 8x4 otherwise 16x2 is fine

@fleet heron

There you go

[forest briar]

@obsidian wigeon WHat do you think : D

[obsidian wigeon]

looks pretty neat

[earnest olive]

if you're buying a quad channel motherboard chances are your use case calls for more than 32gb ram

[vague oracle]

Imagine getting quad channel for a 4x4 kit

[earnest olive]

I don't want to

mom come pick me up

ya know that was actually probably pretty common with x99

[vague oracle]

Was it actually?

[cyan rune]

do you guys keep your figurines inside or outside the box?

[untold vessel]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[frigid night]

I'm so glad your PC isn't on the carpet anymore.

[forest briar]

Me too friend

[frigid night]

no more printer though?

[forest briar]

Nah

We have an Epson ecotank thing now on my fiance's desk

[frigid night]

nice

[frigid night]

I just stuff my case with Styrofoam. improves temps substantially.

[forest briar]

try expanding insulation foam

[earnest olive]

I mean if you were buying early ddr4 a lot of it was 4x4gb kits

I bought a bundle that had an old 4x4gb ddr4 kit

[cyan rune]

Now that is a good idea. I'll add some next to the boxes

[forest briar]

That Lian Li looks awesome

[fleet heron]

NICEE also I like your Legos :))

[spiral vale]

Is this motherboard ➡️ https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-B660M-DDR4-Motherboard/dp/B09PX736J8/
Compatible with an Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor?

[frigid night]

Yes, but it won't allow you to overclock the 12700k.. if you don't want to overclock then get a 12700

[spiral vale]

I don’t know how to overclock, & im not interested…. Is the 12700k going to still be the best cpu for that mobo???

[frigid night]

What are you using your PC for?

[spiral vale]

Gaming

[frigid night]

A 12400 would be a much cheaper option.

[spiral vale]

Ya…. I don’t think it is compatible…..

[frigid night]

Thats PCPP being stupid.

That board is made specifically for the 12th gen intel cpus lol

[frigid night]

I wouldn't bother giving info if I didn't know what I was talking about.

[spiral vale]

Ok, I trust you

[frigid night]

Are you wanting to use the integrated graphics of the cpu?

If not. Can save a bit more money by going for the 12400f

If so.. id recommend the 12500

[dapper sapphire]

Anybody know a budget gaming pc any price around $400-600? Asking for a friend, he doesn't play super heavy games, just minecraft, raft, ark, etc

[spiral vale]

Would you recommend Intel Core i5-12600K ⬅️3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor

[frigid night]

I tried to make one for 600, but even with budget stuff, it comes out to 800.

[frigid night]

Not with that motherboard.

If you aren't planning to overclock, don't look at the K models.

That'll just be money wasted.

[frigid night]

If you are just gaming, the 12400 will be more than enough.

[spiral vale]

Ok 👍

Thankyou for all of your help

[frigid night]

About as budget as I could get it. Maybe someone else could get the price lower.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mNBPKp

[dapper sapphire]

Thanks!

[spiral vale]

If I get a Corsair 4000D Airflow do I have to get the Corsair power supply?

[frigid night]

Not at all.

Can use whatever power supply you want.

[spiral vale]

Ok 👌

Are these 2 motherboards pretty much the same? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NTMRRTL & https://a.co/d/8oveU7H , I want a black aesthetic so I might go with the B660M-A

[frigid night]

Tbh, they are both budget boards with a budget cpu, so go with either one.

[spiral vale]

Crap I forgot that the black one doesn’t have Wi-Fi 🤦‍♂️

[frigid night]

Can always grab a wifi adapter

[spiral vale]

It’s a ddr5 board 🤦‍♂️

[cyan ravine]

Welp, can always cancel the order on amazon

[frigid night]

Did you already order?

[spiral vale]

Nah I typed “ I just bought it “ and I went to checkout and I saw ddr5 so I went back and removed it from my cart

[frigid night]

Do you have a list that we can look over?

[spiral vale]

I’m so unorganized that it’s all messed up with ddr5 and ryzen mobos, so on….. so no

I just need a decent one that is on Amazon

[frigid night]

Link what you got and we'll see about tidying it up for you.

[spiral vale]

It’s 2:37 am for me, let’s discuss tomorrow 💤

[empty pollen]

12600k is more than just the overclock part, is the first model with e-cores plus is a better overall cpu even if you arent into overclocking

[frigid night]

But he just wants it for gaming.

No need for anything with ecores for gaming.

[empty pollen]

yeah but overall is a better cpu for a bit more price

now, between 12700 and 12700k.... thats another story, thse ones are basically the same cpu, just the k could be pushed above the limits

[frigid night]

Right, what i was getting at though was not looking at k models on a board that doesn't overclock

[empty pollen]

yeah 12600k is the exception, i didnt knew that as well, pato and bacca educated me on that

[frigid night]

I know you can up the bclk, but you can do that on a locked cpu

Idk, he had a super budget board, so I figured he'd want the cheapest route to getting good gaming performance. And a 12400 is more than enough to get good performance.

[empty pollen]

you are right, reading now the whole chat... thats was a nice recommendation btw 👍

[foggy geyser]

aa

[frigid night]

bb

[frigid night]

I tried really hard.

:P

[foggy geyser]

aa

[strong raft]

12600K isn't " a bit" more money, it's $70 on top of $170 if talking the F skus. We could even bridge the difference w/ 12500 for $200 which has a stock boost clock 200MHz over the 12400(F), & that's if the igpu was wanted also.

[fossil cedar]

12600k adds more cores tho don't forget that

[strong raft]

Oh I didn't, was mentioned probably 9 times today. lol. Personally I'd rather just have 8Pcore and 0-Ecore, but Intel says no. Should've done a different letter for the 6+4 sku, but oh well. Actually I take back the 8p+0e thing since we've seen how great even the 12100 can be in games (especially at 5ghz that certain benchers have done)

[fossil cedar]

Thing is 4 e cores take up the space of 1 p core iirc and are 33% as good as a p core

[frigid night]

1 ecore is 33% or the cluster of 4 is 33%?

[fossil cedar]

1 ecore is 33% as powerful as a p core

But the cluster of 4 take up the space of 1 p core

[frigid night]

Thats noice

[cyan ravine]

133% powuh

[strong raft]

Almost as noice as not quite being forced into Win 11. Idk, do eCores help low-med loads quite a bit or avg wattage?

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[frigid night]

132% *

[fossil cedar]

Your not forced just to get best experience you should until they add to Windows 10

Although you needa reinstall anyway so

[frigid night]

I find my pc to be really responsive in w11. I see a lot of things use my ecores while using applications use my p cores and its buttery smooth/quick.

So I think the help quite a lot.

[fossil cedar]

You can offload your chrome discord etc to the e cores which means more p cores for you in the long run

[frigid night]

I didn't know this.

Teach me massa

[strong raft]

the point of them ecores bruh, that I knew at least.

[frigid night]

Well. I was under assumption that w11 would know best what to put on which core

[fossil cedar]

It makes sense that what the scheduler be for

[fossil cedar]

It do

[frigid night]

So its already happening?

Nvm then.

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-cat-nod-cat-nodding-cute-cat-gif-23793862

[strong raft]

Pato mainly might mean if I was on Win10 which is currently a bit "dumb" regarding ecores. Tbh still trying to resell the RKL cpu.

[frigid night]

Ok that makes more sense. I got confused there for a sec. Like I thought it was already happening, but the way pato said it made me think it wasnt.

[cyan ravine]

It too late for math

I need sleep

[frigid night]

I didn't even do math. It was instantly in my head.

[cyan ravine]

[analog hearth]

it’s 7am

is that 24-hour time?

[strong raft]

Irrelevant, is it not? I'll just say it's also known as "West coast, best coast" time zone.

[analog hearth]

bro is awake at 6am 💀

bro probably sleeps healthily 💀

[strong raft]

On a sunday! 🙃

[analog hearth]

bro probably lives a healthy lifestyle lmaooo 💀

lol just joking btw

[strong raft]

Still sucking air. (aka breathing, that's just. a funny way to say it). I worked weird hrs yesterday, otherwise ya I'd be dozing until 10AM probably.

[analog hearth]

bro probably breathes 💀

[strong raft]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-morpheus-air-breathing-you-think-thats-air-your-breathing-gif-16874743

[cyan ravine]

PM

[frigid night]

you really couldn't have cropped me out of this pic? pfffft.

[thorn coyote]

Anyone know how to build a pc?

I need help

[cyan rune]

I have built one

I don’t know how much help I can give, but I can give something

[thorn coyote]

I'm having trouble with my fans

I can't send pictures yet but

[mossy venture]

how so?

[thorn coyote]

I have no idea what to connect them to and how to connect them

[mossy venture]

smthn like this

not the ones labled rgb

[thorn coyote]

They don't have lables

Thank you

But I also have some with 3pins

Do you know where I put that

[mossy venture]

4 pins are for pwm

3 pins are for non pwm

i think

[thorn coyote]

Ahh okay

I'll try it out in a little bit but if anything is wrong with this PC once I'm done I'm sure it'll be the fans lol

Thank you so much

[obsidian wigeon]

are they argb?

3 pin argb fans doesn't work on normal 4 pin headers

[thorn coyote]

So I have to get an adapter?

[stoic island]

If they're like
o o o
3 pin fans are basically just pwm without the pwm signal
If they're like
o o _ o
3 pin argb is very different from 4 pin rgb

[icy crater]

Anyone know a good wifi extender I can get? I'm trying to get better latency and I figured it was probably best to get a wifi extender so I can directly connect a ethernet cable to my pc.

[worn wave]

Using a WiFi extender just to use a ethernet cable is not exactly going to help with latency.

Using a cable right from your router to your PC is going to be the best option.

Using a WiFi extender to use a ethernet cable with your PC is no better than just using the WiFi from the extender most likely.

[forest briar]

Unless its 802.11ax you're right

even then 802.11ax will marginally increase throughput

[strong raft]

@thorn coyote

[thorn coyote]

Ahh ty

[elder osprey]

Alright guys I need 3 builds: Decent, Good, Amazing. These Computers will be used for the same purpose: Streaming on Streamlabs, VTube Studios in the background, Modern games being played, Video Editing, etc. I have a few builds in mind, but I do want some suggestions as well. Budget out the window, show me what you got.

Thank you for the help 😄

[desert gulch]

1. thats kinda arbitrary without any sort of budget
2. when are you planning to buy a pc/parts
3. which country are you in

[elder osprey]

1.) Okay

• Min Budget: 1,000
• Max Budget: $2,000
  • If it goes over that is fine

2.) This coming week through this coming month

3.) U.S.

[desert gulch]

any lists we make now become outdated in typically 2-3 days

due to availability, pricing changes, etc

[mossy venture]

For those, the general specs would be 12400f 32gb 6650xt, and 3080 12gb 12700f 32gb

Don't feel like making three lists at the moment

I'll make two

[elder osprey]

Availability will be a pain, but I am willing to look at equivalents too say an I7 is out of stock see if a Ryzen 7 is. Prices are not that big a deal.

[desert gulch]

Yeah 3080 12gb and 12700f is generally what you'd most likely be looking at

But cant get too much more specific since it won't be valid in like a day probably with the GPU on there

[elder osprey]

To power a 3080 what PSU should I be going for? 800 Gold?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XxbhKp

[desert gulch]

The 80+ rating is irrelevant but most likely we'd have a 850w on there

[mossy venture]

Gold means nothing

[elder osprey]

Oh rly?

[mossy venture]

I'll make a 3080 list now

[elder osprey]

Ty

[desert gulch]

The gold basically is supposed to mean how much of the power from the wall makes it into power that the PC can use

But those ratings can be false and also are not a great indication of actual build quality

[elder osprey]

I see

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YgF8jZ

[desert gulch]

Is the p31 still on sale?

[mossy venture]

Nah

Its $200 again

[desert gulch]

Damn

Yet another testament to why our lists become outdated quick

[mossy venture]

Based on what they're doing the gen 4 might help a bit

[elder osprey]

Thank you for the lists though

[mossy venture]

So figured I'd throw it in

[desert gulch]

Yea

Good call

Hopefully G6 stays on sale

[mossy venture]

Also if you want an aio, go for either the clc 280 or liquid freezer ii 280

But not needed at all

[desert gulch]

If you went clc you'd almost need to replace the fans tho

[elder osprey]

Hm I am not use to liquid cooling

[mossy venture]

That's fine

The ak620 will be fine for the 12700f

[elder osprey]

I dont have confidence in myself that I will won't mess it up

Okay the ak620

Do you suggest intel over ryzen?

Or is Intel just cheaper?

[desert gulch]

Intel is much better value currently

[mossy venture]

12700f same perf as 5900x, and is cheaper

[desert gulch]

Only places amd wins in value would be for an apu build or if you lived right next to a microcenter and wanted a ~$1000 build at most

At least in the USA, some other countries may have AMD as just better value due to availability

[potent portal]

AMD is also good if you already have an AM4 board and are just upgrading on the same platform

[desert gulch]

That too

[elder osprey]

🤔

[potent portal]

5800X3D for that, disregarding cost, would be very nice

[desert gulch]

@mossy venture I'm going to break your mind

i5-10505

[mossy venture]

no

[desert gulch]

It exists

questions existence

[mossy venture]

you know what else exists?

the ban command

[elder osprey]

Do it you wont

[desert gulch]

Cope

I'll be scared the day they give ban perms to nitro boosters

[elder osprey]

Cope

[desert gulch]

Cope

[untold vessel]

What are some of the best pc cases

4000d, p360, i feel like I'm missing one

[mossy venture]

p400a, p360a, g360a, 4000d airflow, 5000d airflow

[untold vessel]

ah there they are tysm

[mossy venture]

mx330-g air for budget builds

[untold vessel]

can always count on you forg

[mossy venture]

theres a bunch otheres

lian li 215

o11d

some others, i just dont know them off the top of my head

[desert gulch]

P500a

Lancool ii mesh

[mossy venture]

pato and ryan know them better than i do

theres a meshify one too i think

[desert gulch]

h510

[mossy venture]

fractal torrent smthn?

[mossy venture]

die

[desert gulch]

Torrent is good

Kenzie shills that case

[mossy venture]

i shill shingles

not the roofing thing, the disease

[untold vessel]

p400 vs 4000d

which one better

[desert gulch]

Yum, asphalt shingles

[mossy venture]

depends on the build

[desert gulch]

I'd say p400a

[untold vessel]

3 free arg fans for $10 more worth it?

is that about the consensus?

[desert gulch]

4000d can't top mount a 360 rad

Which sucks

[mossy venture]

id say p400a digital is better

g360a can

[desert gulch]

5000d fixed that issue luckily

[mossy venture]

and is $100

[desert gulch]

Yea

[mossy venture]

g360a is basically a slightly more compact p400a

[desert gulch]

A better p360a

[mossy venture]

slightly smaller i should say

not compact at all

[desert gulch]

I really like the O11 air mini right now

I shill that case

[untold vessel]

is the corsair RGB good

[potent portal]

Torrent is the best air cooling case as far as performance

[untold vessel]

icue stuff

are they alright?

[potent portal]

If you don't mind the potential for iCue to use 12% of your CPU on idle

[untold vessel]

EH?!

[desert gulch]

Openrgb is where it's at

[untold vessel]

please elaborate

[desert gulch]

But I will say icue is my personal favorite RGB software from a large company

Having a lot of crap with patterns and stuff on icue uses tons of resources

[elder osprey]

Those PC Builds you gave me I do not see any case fans on them

[potent portal]

I've seen 12 fans on a solid color use 8% of a 16 thread CPU

[desert gulch]

Case comes with enough

[potent portal]

Depending on the case, the stock fans are often fine

[desert gulch]

And extra fans are super cheap if you wanted more

[elder osprey]

Oh case fans are good enough?

[potent portal]

Like with the P400A Digital, totally fine with the 3 front fans it comes with

[desert gulch]

Yup

You'd wanna switch one of those intakes to exhaust for sure

[elder osprey]

Definitely

[desert gulch]

@potent portal actually, wanna take a bet here?

CPU dead or alive after plugging pcie into eps port and attempting to power on?

[potent portal]

Which power supply and mobo is the question there

[desert gulch]

Friend just upgrade a flip build I gave him to a cheap 5600g he found that was verified working when he bought, but when he swapped boards and CPU, he plugged pcie into eps port unknowingly

PSU is a cx650f and CPU is 5600g

Apparently system won't post anymore

[potent portal]

It really is bad design that the cable even fits

[desert gulch]

Even with the eps plugged in to eps now

Yeah

They made eps not fit pcie but pcie fits eps

Pretty sure he went without a gpu now so thats why extra cables were floating around

I really hope the board isn't dead, but the CPU would be worse

[potent portal]

Well that PSU has all the protections it needs to detect and stop a short, so it comes down to how fast it stopped and if the board checks voltage before activating completely

[desert gulch]

Yea

I guess at this point I hope it's the board

[potent portal]

CPU is likely fine tbh

[desert gulch]

Cheapest part of the system that could be affected

[potent portal]

Only current is really going to kill a CPU, and the board will not even activate it if it has bad power

[desert gulch]

Hopefully

Some of my friends really shouldn't handle computer hardware lol

[untold vessel]

Thoughts on these two?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zfhFf7/evga-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-ftw3-ultra-gaming-video-card-08g-p5-3667-kl
VS.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q4stt6/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-speedster-qick-319-black-video-card-rx-67xtypbdp

[potent portal]

We all know some of those people

[untold vessel]

CPU 12700f

[desert gulch]

I guess the ram already survived like 30k volts already

He said it zapped while it was on the table and he was gonna pick it up

So hopefully that isn't issue

But I'm guessing pcie in eps would most likely cause it

[potent portal]

Yeah a little electromagnetic discharge probably won't insta kill memory

[desert gulch]

Atleast I can troubleshoot it tomorrow ig

[potent portal]

Personally I'd go 6700 XT, unless you really want to buy into ray tracing

[mossy venture]

rtx<

[potent portal]

Or 6750 XT if it's the same/lower price, which I've seen

[desert gulch]

3070 only $10 more

Than that 3060ti

Thanks to the guy who posted that on #tech-deals

[potent portal]

Ah is it now? Yeah definitely go for that

[untold vessel]

eh?!

[desert gulch]

$550 3070 poggers?

[untold vessel]

oh but its gigabyte

[austere raptor]

Dlss on the 3060ti as well but I agree with you

[mossy venture]

fsr 2.0

[desert gulch]

Lol gigabyte is fine

[untold vessel]

is gigabyte pretty close to evga

[desert gulch]

Gaming oc is a fine card

[untold vessel]

i know, i know, model > brand

but evga is cream of the crop

[desert gulch]

EVGA isn't even the best tho

[untold vessel]

eh?!

[potent portal]

DLSS is less of a selling point now that FSR and RSR are both fully launched

[desert gulch]

Strix or HOF would technically be the best

Maybe kingpin if you really fought for it

[untold vessel]

Shoot, that's awesome

[untold vessel]

why so

[desert gulch]

But Hof would still beat a kingpin

Hof is just... Hof

[untold vessel]

Please tell more, I love learning about this stuff

[potent portal]

HOF is always a top binned model, but never sold new in the US

[cyan ravine]

I would still pick a kingpin or HOF over a strix

[desert gulch]

So EVGA makes the kingpin, which is a really nice card

[cyan ravine]

Otherwise TUF

[potent portal]

The best part about a kingpin is the bios imo

[untold vessel]

soooo out of all of these who is top tier

[potent portal]

Fully unlocked, no temp throttling

[desert gulch]

HOF

[untold vessel]

the BEST of the best

[desert gulch]

any day of the week

[potent portal]

Yeah HOF

[untold vessel]

why is HOF so good

[desert gulch]

its just hof

[untold vessel]

also why are they so hard to get

i've never heard of them

[desert gulch]

thats the best adjective we have for it

Galax makes it

[potent portal]

They only use the best binned chips, both GPU and memory dies

[untold vessel]

who's galax

[cyan ravine]

Best of the best comes down to silicon lottery between the two

[desert gulch]

galax is a hong kong company that makes pc stuff

[potent portal]

Technically yes but HOF weights the lottery in its favor

[untold vessel]

sheesh

[untold vessel]

what is the silicon lottery

[desert gulch]

hof basically stands for "id pay 3-4x what other models of this same card are just because i can"

[cyan ravine]

Yes HOF has that OC labs one tbf

[untold vessel]

Good god they only make XX70+ models

does a 3060 hof exist

[potent portal]

Essentially, it's the quality of the silicon used for the chip. If you get one that has no defects, it'll probably overclock far higher than one that has enough defects that it's barely approved.

[desert gulch]

yeah its just 3070+

[untold vessel]

how much monetary value do you get with hof

[cyan ravine]

Monetary value is diminished on the super high end

[desert gulch]

3060ti is essentially a lower binned 3070 so a 3060ti hof wouldnt make any sense

other than a few core

[untold vessel]

is the incremental improvements you get with them worth the cost

[desert gulch]

not to basically everyone

only if you extreme oc and need to be at the best of the best

[untold vessel]

or is hof best of the best and thus costs that much period

[cyan ravine]

It makes more sense to get a gigabyte gaming OC for like, 95% or more of the total experience

[desert gulch]

yea

[cyan ravine]

In this scenario

[untold vessel]

man

I'm learning a lot

thanks guys

[cyan ravine]

Np

[untold vessel]

whew, that's awesome

[potent portal]

There's some people that do extreme overclocking for a living, and to those people a HOF card is worth its weight in platinum

[desert gulch]

yup

[jagged ember]

i've definitely felt the full of defects one on my ram

[icy crater]

Ohh it doesn't help with the ping? I wish I could use a cable from my router but it's too far.

[little osprey]

Any good $4k builds?

[stoic island]

For what purpose?

[hot cipher]

Hello everyone! First, I appreciate anyone who is able to give me a recommendation here. This is very important to me and I really want the right machine, so thanks for your help. Okay, so here is what I need in my laptop (yes I need a laptop for portability to travel, take to studio, etc.):

-Best processor out, period. I am using this for music production, and really need an amazing CPU. I have been looking and it seems like the I9-9900HK would be best in a laptop at a reasonable price, but not sure. - I do not want to go apple because I have been producing on Windows and plugins won't sync as easily.

-64gb RAM

-8TB SSD - This is also VERY important. I need 8TB minimum to store all plugins, data, samples, projects, etc.

-Video Card - Really don't care about this as I will not be gaming. If I can save on cost by getting a 20 series or even something less expensive, totally fine.

-Screen - Don't care about this either.

-Laptops I have been looking at: MSI GE36, Alienware x17, Dell Workstations, Lenovo Workstations

The most important thing is that I want all of these parts in my laptop, but do not want to pay retail for all of these parts (if I don't have to) I know you can drastically cut cost on things like the SSD and RAM if purchased from a secondary source, but only certain laptops have this capability. I am not very hardware savvy, nor have I stayed up to date on new laptop releases, so hoping you guys can really help me out here. Budget - around $4,000 depending on components - will not go over $5,000 as I think the cost vs performance difference wouldn't be justified. I currently live in the western US.

If you are able to give me solid advice via message or discord call, that would be ideal. Again, for anyone that is able to help me purchase my next pony, I love you and thank you for your help. 🙂

[mossy venture]

The 8tb ssd will be a bit hard. Would you be fine with adding an ssd yourself?

[hot cipher]

@mossy venture Yes, as long as the laptop allows hardware upgrades.

[mossy venture]

Alright, so 12900hk would be nice, or hx. Do you need good battery life?

I wouldn't buy a 9900h laptop new, they'll be overpriced

That's three generations behind

[hot cipher]

@mossy venture sorry. didn't mean to type that processor. I was looking at the 12900hk. And not too concerned about battery life

[mossy venture]

12900hx it is

As for exact laptop model, that'll be for someone else to answer

[untold vessel]

Just a warning, 8tb ssd laptops usually come with max-xed out specs in every category. You might be spending 4000+

[hot cipher]

@untold vessel I know. I have my budget limit in the comment. I also mentioned I was hoping for minimum factory specs that will allow me to build this. Generally 8TB is like 1000 extra from manufacturer, but aftermarket I can prbly get one for like 500 or something. Just hoping for some suggestions if anyone knows of a good baseline machine that will accomplish everything I mentioned.

[untold vessel]

Ah, very smart! let me see what I can do for you

[hot cipher]

@untold vessel you are a legend

[obsidian wigeon]

8tb ssd isn't available at 500 bucks range btw

they're all a min of like 1k+

[topaz kestrel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7Qvqqs/samsung-870-qvo-8-tb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-77q8t0bam

unless they mean nvme

which would make sense

[obsidian wigeon]

sata isn't used in laptops these days

[topaz kestrel]

fr?

damn you learn smth everyday

ty

[fossil cedar]

Only old laptops use sata

[obsidian wigeon]

most of em doesn't even have 2.5" sata bays

[fossil cedar]

Usually ones that had hdds in them lol

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[fossil cedar]

Might be sata m.2

[topaz kestrel]

arent 8tb nvme's like 1.1k cheapest?

[fossil cedar]

But yeah no 2.5" ones

[obsidian wigeon]

nu, all nvme m.2 nowadays

i can't see any msata laptops anynore

they just use the small form factor of m.2 nvme drives

[topaz kestrel]

can laptops have 2 nvme slots?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[topaz kestrel]

or more than 1

[obsidian wigeon]

they can even have 3

[topaz kestrel]

wouldnt it make more sense to buy 2 4tb not 1 8tb

for price wise

[fossil cedar]

As in these days i meant from 3-4 years ago in that range but ye

[obsidian wigeon]

3-4 years ago, that's fair

[fossil cedar]

Usually yes but most laptops only have 1 m.2 slot

[obsidian wigeon]

it's the gaming laptops that tends to have extra m.2 slots

[topaz kestrel]

oh yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

sometimes 2.5" sata slot

i like the option of having 2.5" spot tbh

[topaz kestrel]

i honestly didnt realise you could get 12900k's in laptops

or 12900hk whatever

[obsidian wigeon]

cause i would still like to use an hdd cause it's cheap per gb

there's even 12900hx, even higher than hk

but i don't see the point tbh lol

[topaz kestrel]

surely it would just turn into a heater

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

[topaz kestrel]

just my opinion tho

[obsidian wigeon]

most people runs those laptops stock anyway

the cooling wouldn't allow oc

[topaz kestrel]

arent they usually just copper plates with thermal pads

[obsidian wigeon]

they use vapor chambers now

[topaz kestrel]

vapor chambers?

[obsidian wigeon]

some even uses liquid metal afaik

[topaz kestrel]

like that

?

first thing that came up

but there is also smth like that

[obsidian wigeon]

that's a mix of vapor chamber and heatpipes

[topaz kestrel]

what would be better?

mix or just vapor chamber

im honestly just curious lol

[obsidian wigeon]

i believe the mix is better

i dunno much about this honestly haha

[topaz kestrel]

i guess it would depend on rpm on fans and surface area of copper etc

i aint that smart to know

it looks cool toh

tho*

what happened with those water cooled laptops? were they flop?

[obsidian wigeon]

basically yes

[topaz kestrel]

these

[obsidian wigeon]

adds too much bulk

[topaz kestrel]

yeah you may aswell get a desktop at that point

[obsidian wigeon]

just destroys the point of a laptop

[topaz kestrel]

like an itx

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[topaz kestrel]

thats what i thought

[obsidian wigeon]

vapor chambers and heatpipes are good enough to cool the highest end of laptop cpus rn anyway