building-and-recc-chat

[untold vessel]

thoughts on 3060 + 12400 vs 3060ti + 12400 price wise?

goddamn

[potent portal]

Save some money and get a 6650 XT or 6700/6750 XT

Nvidia isn't worth the price premium any more

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500101029157797899/988887551362351104/unknown.png

6650 XT is cheaper than the 3060

[desert gulch]

This would be worthwhile watching if you don't already have a psu

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.4494093

It's been bouncing in and out of stock and is a sweet deal

Chance of getting a gpu faster than the 6700xt, or one that is a little slower, play the lottery ig lol

[untold vessel]

I can't justify going AMD for anything

[untold vessel]

I've seen too many bad reviews

Is AMD really all that bad?

[desert gulch]

Not at all

[untold vessel]

I've been pretty evenly split

60 no / 40 yes

[potent portal]

Which bad reviews? Are they from the 5700 XT because that one was bad but modern ones are great

[untold vessel]

Specifically the 6700 for example

seeing reviews on it really shut down my opinions of it

[desert gulch]

I've run arguably "the worst" AMD card for over two years and only have had a couple game crashes in that time

[potent portal]

Drivers have improved a LOT these past 2 years, how old are these reviews? Do you have links?

[untold vessel]

I do, but to be fair I don't know if they're reliable

[potent portal]

We can help make that call

[untold vessel]

They're just from LTT channels and a few other different creators

Let me get a link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wO2vUZv4zw

For example

The general consensus I've gotten from AMD is "Quantity before Quality"

and

"All those boosted stats are not worth it if they are accompanied by game crashes and bugs"

Are these consensuses fairly made?

[potent portal]

That's a year and a half old review, new drivers offer 10-20% better performance since then

[untold vessel]

Or have I just not done enough research

[untold vessel]

Is a driver virtual or physical

[potent portal]

It's data on your drive so virtual

[untold vessel]

I see

What is a driver

A mini OS for your hardware parts?

[potent portal]

It's how the OS communicates with the device

[untold vessel]

Ah

So basically, the 6700XT USED to be bad, because of the newness of its drivers, but now that drivers have improved, the earlier reflected stats are true and impressive, even?

[desert gulch]

I wouldn't even say it used to be bad tbh

[untold vessel]

What do you guys think of this

[desert gulch]

5700xt was the big amd card that used to be bad

[potent portal]

Essentially yes, and crashes etc have been fixed with game and driver updates

[potent portal]

AMD is making GPUs for every single console that is currently being produced except the Switch, so yes they're absolutely focusing on mass production

[desert gulch]

Gotta keep in mind too games are kinda usually biased towards nvidia

[untold vessel]

I definitely see that

[desert gulch]

Game has dlss? Nvidia sponsored

[untold vessel]

I'm more or less thinking that Nvidia goes for high quality stuff and as a result their prices reflect that and then some

Is that correct?

[desert gulch]

Nvidia 30 series has pretty decent driver issues at launch too

[potent portal]

Sort of, they're really just throwing a bunch of features at the wall and seeing what sticks

[untold vessel]

I see

So now that the 6000 series and 30 series have been out for a while,

and given the current price of the market

I should go for a 6700

[potent portal]

Here's a more modern review

So on average the 6750 XT is nearly equal to the 3070 at 4k

[fossil cedar]

1440p basically identical

1080p it beats it

[potent portal]

Yep

While being much cheaper

Well, $30 cheaper comparing current lowest priced models

$550 vs $580

And don't even bother with the 3070 ti, it's $700 right now

You could also pick up a 6700 XT for $480 right now, still beats the 3060 ti

[desert gulch]

Can

3060ti bundles are sweet tho

And 3060ti still can beat a 6700xt with almost no tuning if you get lucky

[potent portal]

Ventus 2x 3060 ti $500 🔥 ☠️

[desert gulch]

Have you seen the ko 3060ti and 750w wegg bundle for $550?

[potent portal]

I haven't really looked

[desert gulch]

It's a sweet deal

Honestly, the 3060ti is great

Def a silicon lottery type of deal

Cause buying a 3060ti, you can get anywhere from bone stock 3060ti perf to almost 3070 perf with almost no tuning

[fossil cedar]

Nah you don't think any aibs have a 10% factory oc

[desert gulch]

60ti,70,70ti all use the same die

It's just the binninf

So 60ti can have the die that barely missed 3070 spec

Or it could also have one that barely hit 60ti spec

So its kinda a lottery game

[potent portal]

There's also a variant of the 3060 that uses the same GA104

[desert gulch]

Ofc you won't just get a 60ti out of the box that'll perf like a 3070 since that wouldn't make sense

Yea

[fossil cedar]

That's what i was talking about

[desert gulch]

Ye

I mean yeah all of a model of 3060ti will come with the same clocks out of box

But if you get lucky, you could just about mimic a 3070's spec and run that

[potent portal]

Well there is still the problem of 1024 less shaders, 32 less TMUs, and 16 less ROPs

If only we could use the CMP card to game with, that would be epic. It's basically a 3070 ti with core clocked down.

[desert gulch]

Yup

[fossil cedar]

Not entirely there's a few different out of the box clocks

[potent portal]

I think he means "all cards of a specific model" as in all of the FTW3 cards have the same

[desert gulch]

Yeah all the same model

[fossil cedar]

Ah right

[desert gulch]

Ofc dif aibs do stuff did and then you got factory oc and all that crap too

[fossil cedar]

Silly me

That makes more, sense

[icy crater]

Does anyone know how to identify ports in motherboards?

I have this motherboard.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PLUS

And I was wondering how can I tell a usb 3.0 port compared to a normal usb 2.0.

[viral ore]

all the red ones

the black ones to the far left of the rear IO are 2.0

[icy crater]

Ohh gotcha so the upper ones are 2.0.

And the bottom 6 are all 3.0?

[viral ore]

yes

or greater

[icy crater]

Greater??

[viral ore]

like 3.1, 3.2

[icy crater]

Are those backwards compatible?

[viral ore]

by definition yes

its just speeds

[icy crater]

Ahh ok.

Oh one more question.

Does it matter what I connect my keyboard and mouse to?

[viral ore]

no

[icy crater]

Will it change like the speed?

[viral ore]

its all just usb

[icy crater]

Ah okie thank you!

[jagged ember]

the rate at which they send data is negligible

[viral ore]

you mean identical

[jagged ember]

couple hundred kbps

[viral ore]

oh

yep

[jagged ember]

I mean in comparison to the throughout of even usb 2.0

[viral ore]

thought you meant difference between 2.0 and 3.0 for a 2.0 device

because it just negotiates 2.0

[jagged ember]

yeah it do

[empty pollen]

you can connect your kb on any of those, it will make no difference for the kb

[jagged ember]

I'd connect to 2.0 so you can have higher speed usb ports free for stuff that matters

if that's not a concern, plug away

[icy crater]

Ah so it would only matter if I had a device capable of usb 3.0 then the usb3.0 port will be faster?

[jagged ember]

yep

[icy crater]

Ah gotcha.

What other devices are usb 3.0 capable?

[jagged ember]

external storage

usb hubs

uhh

I dunno any others off the top of my head

[empty pollen]

any device that transfers large amounts of data

[potent portal]

USB WiFi

[jagged ember]

wouldn't reccomend it, but true

that usb stream deck from elgato

uses 3.0 i think

[icy crater]

I see I was planning on getting a wall plug ethernet thing is that advisable?

[jagged ember]

you mean powerline?

[icy crater]

I'm not sure it's like you plug in the wall and it's bluetooth or something?

[empty pollen]

sounds like a wifi repeater/extender

[jagged ember]

it sends internet through the wiring of the wall?

or does it send it wirelessly

because if it's the latter, extenders are usually bad

[icy crater]

I think it's wirelessly and it's kinda like lan.

[jagged ember]

I'd just get a mesh system instead

those at least are a unified wifi channel and name so there's no interference

[icy crater]

Mesh system ok I'll look into that.

[jagged ember]

look up 'mesh wifi router'

something along those lines

I know the tri-band zenwifi from Asus is solid but expensive

deco x20/x60 is fine if you want a simple experience with little customizability

x20 supports total speed of 1800mbps, x60 supports 3000mbps

both run wifi 6

you do need an app for deco though

I think the zenwifi set doesn't need the app but makes management easier

[strong raft]

Could also get 2 certain asus routers then turn on their mesh capability

[jagged ember]

ohh, true

I haven't dug enough into Asus aimesh stuff

sounds great in theory

any two aimesh compatible Asus routers can make a mesh system

no clue if it works in practice

[strong raft]

Yea not really much different than the full mesh kits, performance will vary by router of course. Also they don't need to be identical. No 1st hand exp though, as ny house is a modest L shape and I just use a switch to extend cables in a certain way.

[half iron]

Can I use vga for cpu?

[jagged ember]

???

[half iron]

To connect to the psu

[potent portal]

VGA?

[half iron]

6+2 vga

That is what it says

[potent portal]

Oh you mean the power cable to the GPU

[half iron]

Nope did not get that

[potent portal]

No that's a good way to start a fire

[half iron]

My cpu on my motherboard has 8+4

[potent portal]

You only need the 8 unless you're doing extreme overclocking

[half iron]

So just the 4 ok

I was confused because I thought I was missing cables

I mean the 8 mb

[potent portal]

You should have a 4+4 for the CPU, pretty much every retail PSU comes with that

And that's plenty even for a 12900k

[half iron]

Yeah that is what I got

Ok thank

[half iron]

Sorry I have another question where do I connect HD audio on my motherboard

[strong raft]

Along the bottom and/or near the left a bit. Header might just say F_Audio or similar. Link or give pic of mobo & I could highlight it...

[half iron]

Got it thx

[frigid night]

@potent portal I meant to give you a shout out too. Thank you.

[little osprey]

Pretend like my upvote shows on your build

Upvoted in spirit

[fossil cedar]

I was ghost pinged

[frigid night]

It was me, I posted in wrong channel.

[fossil cedar]

I can't believe you've done this

[subtle halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-believe-youve-done-this-punch-ouch-gif-9605268

[frigid night]

I'm sorry massa. Please don't whip me.

[errant fiber]

WHAT

[fossil cedar]

YOU DID IT AGAIN

Oh it was sudo this time

[frigid night]

I SAID SORRY!

[errant fiber]

LOLOLOL

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-notice-michael-weston-jeffrey-donovan-gun-gun-cock-gif-18299992

[errant fiber]

are you gonna use your p2000 on me?

[fossil cedar]

Usps >>>>>>p2k

[errant fiber]

five seven>>>

[fossil cedar]

Ehh

P250

[errant fiber]

do u play faceit?

[fossil cedar]

Nah

Cba paying money for comp

I'm only mg1 and i don't play enough either

[errant fiber]

Damn what are you playing now

i rmr you told me you peaked ge

[fossil cedar]

Nah i peaked like mg2/3

Then i didn't play for ages and lost rank

[coarse mesa]

thoughts? psu probs will be changed

[frigid night]

Can we get the link?

[coarse mesa]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pvyhjZ

[stoic island]

Just for gaming?

[coarse mesa]

make it a 3060, mostly gaming but yea

[stoic island]

make is a 3060...?

[coarse mesa]

no no, this is a build my friend is wanting to buy, he changed from 3050 to 3060

[stoic island]

What's the budget?

[stoic island]

Anything in particular other than gaming?

Also, just a btw, that list has no case

[coarse mesa]

yea, we're aware

[coarse mesa]

1700 aud

if you could find a cheaper motherboard, it would be excellent

just haven't spent that much time making a list

[stoic island]

huh, coolermaster made a td300 mesh now, interesting

[frank stirrup]

usps more like pspspspspspspsps

[frigid night]

Looking atm. That board is overkill. No need for a z690 since cpu can't be oced.

[coarse mesa]

what do you suggest

[errant fiber]

12400f paired with z690

🦧

[coarse mesa]

[stoic island]

@coarse mesa try smth more like this
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/M8NtW4

Assuming you don't need nvenc or other nvidia features

If you do, try to get a 3060ti at a similar price ig

Although I'm not too sure on the case, td500 mesh was great, but td300 mesh is new

could grab a neo air as a more solid option

[frigid night]

Nvm def go with mr2222

I tried but failed. I'm also on mobile so that was difficult to even get that lol

[errant fiber]

THIS IS 1100 USD??

wtf prices have dropped so much

that's crazy

[frigid night]

Do they need a case?

If not then thats a 80$ to save for go for something else right?

[stoic island]

wot

this is a new build

[frigid night]

Idk, it just seemed like they didn't need case I guess.

[coarse mesa]

yea bruh my pc was so much more expensive

[stoic island]

btw, hdd swap might seem random, but the old hdd is, well, old, seagate retired it afaik

[errant fiber]

ik i paid almost 3k usd for my pc and it's probably half that now

gg

[frigid night]

Skill issue.

[errant fiber]

[coarse mesa]

yea, not too concerned about that since it'll only have junk or games saved on it

as long as it works well enough to launch a game, no problems

[stoic island]

I mean, why grab the 5 year old drive when you can have a newer model for the same price lel

[coarse mesa]

yea tru

[fossil cedar]

Tbf rx 6000 encoder is close enough to nvenc it's not worth the premium anymore

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-big-lips-gif-13233291

[stoic island]

still a feature some people want but ye its better now

[fossil cedar]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rX8GjZ

Credit to @stoic island but better mobo same price, cheaper gpu just as good, tower cooler is nice, 10$ more for 850w is worth it imo future proof wise

[stoic island]

Ye, Aorus pro is nicer, thought red devil had better cooler, cooler can be nice, I just got excited at td300 mesh was a thing

[fossil cedar]

Fair, it's matx tho :/

Less room for gpu to breath

Can go nicer tho

Red devil is a bit better yeah but the qck is decent and cheaper

[tropic lotus]

Hey I'm new and don't know the first thing about building my own computer. Are there any super beginner friendly, build your own PC for dummies, videos or youtubers. I am a visual learner and have not really been able to understand what does what and all that by just reading about it.

I'd like to understand what component does what, how they interact with one another, and how to tell if they are compatible. Sorry if it's a lot to ask.

[empty pollen]

ltt have an amazing video about basics on pc building (at least to my opinion) you can start there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL4DCEp7blY&t=1797s

[analog hearth]

you can easily look up "how to build a PC" tutorials. but definitely keep in mind that parts are at extreme highs in terms of prices at this moment

[empty pollen]

im sure the guys around here can point you to better videos and/or tutorials as well

but the one i linked is a good start

[tropic lotus]

Sweet I'll start there but any more resources are appreciated. And I figured it was gonna be expensive unfortunately. Thats why I want to build instead of just buy premade.

[obsidian wigeon]

We can provide you a parts list

Just give us a budget and your use case

[empty pollen]

every part is a whole world by itself, once you learn the very basic of every component you can start delving on other videos like "types of motherboards" "types of memories" etc etc to have a much detailed view

[obsidian wigeon]

All you'll have to do is put the parts together

[empty pollen]

and thats the thign he wants to learn first xD

[obsidian wigeon]

Well, he could learn along the way

It'd be easier that way

[jagged ember]

that's what I did

[obsidian wigeon]

Much easier

Cause you get people who knows what works with what

Then you learn how and why they're compatible

[empty pollen]

i learned most of my stuff by pure curioisty... one thing lead me to another and another and eventually i ended up here 😛 every part list the guys put together is a list i take for research

yeah the guys around here rocks 🙂

[timber marsh]

Hey I was quickly wondering what I would need to connect corsair LL series fans to my pc? I think I need a hub or controller for it but I'm abit confused on what to buy 😄

[obsidian wigeon]

get corsair commander pro

[timber marsh]

Isnt it like $40 XD

[empty pollen]

sadly corsair is kinda... expensive

[timber marsh]

Mabey rgb fans arnt worthit

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[empty pollen]

not price/performace friendly per say

[obsidian wigeon]

it's the corsair fees

get arctic p12 argb

[jagged ember]

those are worth it

[empty pollen]

argb are worth if you know where to look, corsair arent that good on the price/performace thing

[timber marsh]

Do you still need a fan controller? also how would you change colors on the,?

them*

[empty pollen]

most fans are controlled via mainboard these days

thru software

[timber marsh]

Do I need some sort of contrller? or would i just need a $14 hub

[tropic lotus]

I want a gaming set up for streaming and vr I'm using a laptop now so I don't have anything other than a mouse and monitor tho I wouldn't mind an upgrade on the mouse. Budget is yet to be decided honestly.

[empty pollen]

splitters most likely

Y splitters for multiple fans on the same header

same applies for the rgb headers on the mobo

[tropic lotus]

I prefer performance over aesthetic

A parts list to get started would be great if y'all want to, budget probably be around $1500

[empty pollen]

lets wait for foxxy or any of the techie guys to help you with that, they are veterans on the part list department 🙂

[empty pollen]

@obsidian wigeon 🙂

[obsidian wigeon]

Okay

[empty pollen]

man, so many vampires on the server lately... you guys are spreading like wildfire

[obsidian wigeon]

I can do one in a pinch

[tropic lotus]

No rush

[obsidian wigeon]

1.5k build is lots of wiggle room

is this the us?

[tropic lotus]

If you can fit aesthetics purples my favorite color and yes it's in the US

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

i'll see if i can

do you want white stuff?

or just black

[tropic lotus]

But I prefer performance over aesthetics so prioritize that. Either works

[obsidian wigeon]

okay

i'll see what i can do

[tropic lotus]

Thanks

[obsidian wigeon]

is wifi a need?

it's a bit extra for wifi board compared to non wifi one

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rMD98r @tropic lotus

case can always change

if you don't like the looks of this one

[tropic lotus]

Yes on the wifi for now

[obsidian wigeon]

i chose wifi cause wifi version of that board was just $10 more

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7
VS.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kXbkcf/gskill-memory-f43200c16d32gvk

I'd like all of your opinions. What do you think is the best here? The notoriety of g-skill ram at the cost of $15 more, or the better pricing of the Silicon Power ram at the cost of PERHAPS not being as reliable?

[obsidian wigeon]

get the sp one

difference won't be much between the two

[untold vessel]

Why so?

Ah

[obsidian wigeon]

and reliability wise, silicon power is decent

[untold vessel]

Alrighty Then I see I see

How about this now

[empty pollen]

well both are decent

just choose the cheaper one

had like 4 kits of gskill... never dissapointed

in fact, im also part afraid to change brand, like... gskill always delivered at least to me

much like western digital

on storage

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7
VS.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

What do you guys think of this?

[obsidian wigeon]

what cpu and mobo are you running?

[untold vessel]

Is the $35 increase worth it to get the reliability of G-Skill AND 1ns faster of time?

[obsidian wigeon]

ddr4 above 3600mhz is hard to run on ryzens

[untold vessel]

i5-12400F, haven't decided on a Mobo

[empty pollen]

4000 is a bit tricky

[obsidian wigeon]

12400f, eh

3200c16 will do fine

[empty pollen]

yup

[untold vessel]

Hmmmmm I see

But what about upgrade headroom

I feel like the ram is the last thing I'll upgrade

[obsidian wigeon]

well

[empty pollen]

at that cpu your roof should be 3600c16

[untold vessel]

and in terms of said upgrade ill just get more of the same kit

I see I see

[obsidian wigeon]

doing that could have a chance of not working

[untold vessel]

wait what

[obsidian wigeon]

dual kits are tested and proven to be stable in that configuration

if you make em quad it's likely to have problems

[untold vessel]

Also would 3600cl14 be wasted on a 12400f?

[empty pollen]

just go dual kit, quad is a tricky config

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

3600c14 is just expensive

[empty pollen]

cl14 is oc ground

[untold vessel]

ah

[empty pollen]

not even 3200c14 is worthwhile on a consumer level

[untold vessel]

Would it not be worth the difference in time?

[fossil cedar]

3600cl14 xmp is very expensive so very much so just get 4000mhz cl18 ripjaws 2x16

[empty pollen]

you wouldnt notice it anyway

thats more for oc enthusiasts

[untold vessel]

Hey hey good to see you again

[fossil cedar]

Most games are gpu bound*

[untold vessel]

Had to leave earlier yesterday because something came up

[empty pollen]

4000c18 on a 12400f is kinda.... you know

could be tricky to gear 1 that

[untold vessel]

If this is the case, VS. the 3200cl16 at 10.00ns, would the $20 increase in price be worth the difference into 9.00ns of first word?

[obsidian wigeon]

i would say it's worth it

for future upgrades

im sure 13th gen would work on it

if it comes out

[fossil cedar]

Nah

Also way cheaper than 3600c16 atm

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[empty pollen]

cant argue against that

[obsidian wigeon]

i noticed lmao

3600c16 is stupid now

[empty pollen]

nor the upgradeability on a 13th gen

[obsidian wigeon]

in terms of pricing

4000c18 is better

and somehow cheaper

[jagged ember]

time to buy 4000c18

[empty pollen]

3600 should be for am4 these days then?

[jagged ember]

to replace my 3200cl18

[fossil cedar]

It's not just about the ns, that chart can help deter what's better but that's first word latency not actual latency as there are other timings, imo if you're going 12400 just grab a kit of 2x16 3200c16/3600c18 the cheapest kit out of the 2, if going 12600k or higher grab the 4000c18 kit

[obsidian wigeon]

i was confused

when a ripjaws v kit of same 32 gugs capacity at 4000c18 is somehow cheaper than 3600c16

but i guess that's demand and supply

good for us for the short term

[empty pollen]

or the timings maybe affect price more than the transfer rate?

maybe?

[obsidian wigeon]

eh, nope

4000c18 used to be more expensive

it's certainly demand and supply being at play

3600c16 has always been sweet spot of value and performance

[empty pollen]

for now my cart was updated yesterday with the 4000c18... for now

maybe as you guys said on the 13th launch, maybe ddr5 will be more affordable/superior over ddr4 kits... maybe

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

we'll have to see

[empty pollen]

yeah for now ill have those 4000c18 in case ill go ddr4 on 13th gen

[obsidian wigeon]

a meh kit of ddr5, 32 gigs is around 230 bucks mark

so that's still a long way to come down

[untold vessel]

So for example, 3200cl16 vs 3600cl18. Both are listed as 10.00 on the chart. What's the difference between them now?

[obsidian wigeon]

16 gigs kit sucks for ddr5

[empty pollen]

im not going anything below 6000, which is expensive now and not that good either vs ddr4

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[strong raft]

3600 mainly just bit more bandwidth, helps w/ some stuff

[obsidian wigeon]

that would have to look into the other timings

first latency rating doesn't always mean it's the same across all kits

[empty pollen]

plus 3600c18 is a meh kit

[obsidian wigeon]

some kits has same cas latency and speed

[empty pollen]

the famed b-die

[obsidian wigeon]

and one could have worse secondary, tertiary timings and so on

while another has better latency all across the board

things most retails doesn't list

are the other timings

ram is full of stuff to understand lmao

[empty pollen]

indeed

seems to be an easy part to pick, but is more complex than you can imagine

but most of the stuff is hard to notice by the average joe

[mossy venture]

haha ram speed go brr

4800c60>

[obsidian wigeon]

i used to be like that

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nvjNnQ/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-32gvk
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[untold vessel]

How about now?

[empty pollen]

hey bacca, how you doin man

[obsidian wigeon]

4000 is better

[mossy venture]

with the price diff, id go 4000c18

[obsidian wigeon]

right out of the bat

[mossy venture]

theyre very similar, but in some cases the 4000 will actually win

[mossy venture]

not bad, how are you

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[untold vessel]

So for $15 more it is totally worth it?

[empty pollen]

fine, thx 🙂 👍

[mossy venture]

oh i thought that was a 3600c16 kit

one second

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/B8QcCJ/silicon-power-gaming-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-sp032gxlzu320bdaj7 i would either just get this or that 4000c18 kit

[strong raft]

3600c16 would be around $160 currently. I paid $150+ tax & currently $170 on Amazon. Yikes huh.

[mossy venture]

yeah, unfortunately

[empty pollen]

not only worth for the price, but for the performance when 13th gen hits

[untold vessel]

TELL ME ABOUT IT

[mossy venture]

i didnt click the links, just looked at them lol

[empty pollen]

it will hold you for longer the 4000 kit

[mossy venture]

i wonder how 13th gen will play with ddr4

[obsidian wigeon]

it will do fine

there's still ddr4 imc in there

[mossy venture]

my 32gb 3200c16 crucial kit was $90 :)

[obsidian wigeon]

but 700 series boards will have ddr5 only

[mossy venture]

i know itll work with it, but im wondering what the perf loss will be like

if any

[obsidian wigeon]

ah

i wonder too

[mossy venture]

im gonna be going 13400 or 13600/k most likely on a b660

maybe 13700 depending on prices and what the perf diffs are like

[obsidian wigeon]

there's rumor that all 13th gen stuff will have e cores

imagine i3 with 6 cores

that'd be nice

[empty pollen]

depending on the prices and/or performance gains ill decide between a 660 or a 790

[frigid night]

watch the i3 only have 1 or 2 e cores 😄

[mossy venture]

i really dont want e cores, because i prefer w10 to 11, but if i have to ill make the switch

[obsidian wigeon]

i5 non k with 8

4p+2e

[mossy venture]

e cores come in sets of 4

[frigid night]

I reallly love e cores and win 11

[obsidian wigeon]

i can see i3 having like this

well e cores can come in 2 too

[mossy venture]

only if they disable 2 of them

[obsidian wigeon]

look at mobile adl

[empty pollen]

e cores in sets of 4 in 12th gen... maybe that will change on 13th

[frigid night]

alright hear me out..

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah but

[frigid night]

i3 is just e cores

[obsidian wigeon]

you can disable em

[mossy venture]

no

[mossy venture]

yeah, which would make no sense

[obsidian wigeon]

i3 on just e cores is a huge downgrade

from 12100f rn lol

[frigid night]

souped up e cores

[obsidian wigeon]

12100f has 4 p cores

[frigid night]

I understand how ridiculous it sounds lol

[obsidian wigeon]

fair

i was just saying how i saw mobile skus having like

4p+2e

or something

[strong raft]

And? btw from what I've seen, 13th gen is mainly 12gen w/ some added E cores. I didn't recall any gaining P cores.

[winter marsh]

Howdy Howdy Hi

[obsidian wigeon]

they have better e cores tho

and the p cores are actually improved

[strong raft]

You'd expect so.

[obsidian wigeon]

i just wonder how all that will tackle against 7000

from amd

[strong raft]

Forget 13gen, gimme unlocked 12100/12400 (most don't use one w/ a top end gpu, but still). :Pog-1:

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

jesus christ

dem gains on 12100f

[frigid night]

but why though?

or.. how I should ask.

[empty pollen]

why what?

[frigid night]

see above comment

[empty pollen]

most games are single core intensive, multiple cores dont add that much performance

thats why most gamers can go well with low core count cpus

[strong raft]

Just certain mobos w/ external clock gen or w/e they have, & it's usually a ddr5 mobo (that's likely $300+,) @frigid night

[frigid night]

ah ok.

I almost wish I had went with a ddr5 mobo since I spent $300 on my ddr4 one anyways

[empty pollen]

300 on ddr4? wut?

[obsidian wigeon]

4 cores isn't cutting it that well anymore imo

well mobo

300 bucks for a mobo for ddr4

[empty pollen]

ahhhhh

still

wut?

[obsidian wigeon]

probably a strix or something

[empty pollen]

should be 200-220 at most anything higher is oc territory

[strong raft]

12100 says otherwise, haha. 1440p or higher being lower FPS would he even closer.

[frigid night]

yeah I'm Oc territory.

[empty pollen]

well that explains the price

plus ddr4 behaves better for ocing (i think), not sure about ddr5 at these infant stages

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdFbt6/evga-supernova-g6-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-1000-x1 1000W at $139.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qH4Ycf/evga-supernova-g6-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-0750-x1 750W at $89.99

Should I spend $50 more to get the upgrade headroom of $250W when I know that the first thing I am going to upgrade to is my current GPU of 3060 into 4060/5060?

[mossy venture]

i would just get the 850 mpg right now

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WxZzK8/msi-mpg-a-gf-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpg-a850gf if you want headroom anyways

but tbh if you dont plan to upgrade soon, just get an asus tuf 650

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KqbTwP/evga-supernova-g6-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-0850-x1 at $104.99. Why so?

[mossy venture]

because new gpus are going to have new power connectors

[untold vessel]

Oh shoot I didn't even think of that

[strong raft]

Getting a non-atx3/pcie5 psu now would legit be the opposite of future proof.

[untold vessel]

Why So? Also, what is non-atx/pcie5? I don't know enough about those yet to carry a conversation

[empty pollen]

all the psu in the market rn are non-pcie5

[obsidian wigeon]

oh yeah it can do 1440p

[empty pollen]

and next gen will have pcie5 power connectors

[obsidian wigeon]

im just speaking of bog standard 1080p

[empty pollen]

so you should upgrade both psu and gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

which puts more strain on cpu

[untold vessel]

What precisely is pcie anyways? I heard the term dozens of times, but never truly was able to deduce what it means

[frigid night]

but adapters?

[obsidian wigeon]

pci express

[untold vessel]

So for now chill with the 750W?

[empty pollen]

yup

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a protocol for hardware communication

to the cpu

[untold vessel]

Ah i see

[empty pollen]

when the time comes to upgrade your gpu, you should have to upgrade your psu as well

[strong raft]

40 series has a new 12+4pin connector that's sort of called pcie5. Also psus have their ATX standard, currently 2.3, 2.41 or w/e. Pcie is pci express. Checkout wikipedia a bit at least, lol.

[obsidian wigeon]

it's an evolution of pci

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LpbTwP/evga-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-xc-gaming-video-card-12g-p5-3657-kr

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jZFbt6/evga-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-xc-gaming-video-card-08g-p5-3663-kl

$97 More worth it for 3060 vs 3060ti?

[obsidian wigeon]

the olden days had isa

[untold vessel]

Ahhhh, I see! Thank you

[obsidian wigeon]

well pcie is really an evolution to pci lol

[empty pollen]

get a 6600xt or 6650xt, they are better value these days

[obsidian wigeon]

different slot notches but still

it has same name just with e for express

[untold vessel]

I've heard good things about the 6700/6750xt, what do you think of those?

[strong raft]

Long live agp. The one that was specifically for gpus.

[obsidian wigeon]

and we kept going up ever since

i remember the ps2 days lmao

unplug the mouse and pc hangs

or crashes

[empty pollen]

they go toe to toe with 3070s, at better value as well

[untold vessel]

Really? I've heard they more or less are 3060 competition

[mossy venture]

id just get 6600xt

[untold vessel]

Why so?

[mossy venture]

better value

[empty pollen]

if it were me, ill go 6600xt or 6650xt... if you have the money just jump directly to 3080

not anything in between

[sharp bear]

Where can I save money and is this even a good build?
No idea if the LHR affects the graphics cards performance
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RNVkwc

[fossil cedar]

6700xt for 470

[untold vessel]

Good? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RFGbt6/xfx-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-speedster-swft-309-video-card-rx-67xtyjfdv

[fossil cedar]

Lhr only affects mining perf but it's been worked around basically identical now

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[fossil cedar]

Do you want to keep the rgb ram?

[untold vessel]

Let's goooo

[sharp bear]

nah

[fossil cedar]

Nvm it's not rgb

[sharp bear]

ye lmao

[fossil cedar]

Need wifi?

I thought it had rgb for a sec

[sharp bear]

no need for it

i would swap the case with the phanteks eclipse p400a

[mossy venture]

patos will prolly be better, since im unfamiliar with europe market

but heres mine

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WgWFXy

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ChpCrD Current Build so far. Total Budget is $1,500. Can go a couple bucks above for tax, if needed.

Currently need:

-AIO Cooler
-Motherboard
-Case

-We have $450 Left to split between these three. What can we do for the best Performance to Price?

[mossy venture]

i would not get that monitor

at all

[untold vessel]

Why?

[mossy venture]

4k gaming is a meme

[empty pollen]

an aio for a 12400f?

[obsidian wigeon]

i would go evga gt tbh

[empty pollen]

for the looks i guess

[obsidian wigeon]

for psu

[mossy venture]

id just get the mpg 850

[obsidian wigeon]

750w variant is cheaper than the g6

[untold vessel]

Not doing anything competitive. 60fps RDR2 story mode for the looks more than the game is the aim for this 4k screen

[mossy venture]

4k gaming really isnt worth it

[untold vessel]

Why so?

[obsidian wigeon]

1440p already looks good

[mossy venture]

also i doubt that monitor is good quality

[sharp bear]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/JPrYcf/gigabyte-g27q-270-2560x1440-144-hz-monitor-g27q

[untold vessel]

Would an AIO be wasted on a 12400

[frigid night]

that 4k monitor is less than a budget 1440p lol

[frigid night]

yes

[sharp bear]

this monitor good?

[obsidian wigeon]

you can slap an ak620 and it'd still be so cool

[frigid night]

yes

[untold vessel]

I'm looking for a 4k monitor as the standard

I need the 4k for streaming more than anything

[mossy venture]

but why

[untold vessel]

.

[obsidian wigeon]

4k monitor that low of a price is probably not good

[mossy venture]

you dont need 4k for streaming

[obsidian wigeon]

^

streaming service will just compress anyway

[untold vessel]

I'd like a 4k monitor regardless, I can't be swayed

[empty pollen]

most streams caps at 1080p just fine, and 1440 is more then enough for gmaing

[obsidian wigeon]

no point in going high

[empty pollen]

4k is more for productivity

[untold vessel]

Well to be fair it's not me, it's my brother

[fossil cedar]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/F3pCrD

[untold vessel]

He's doing productivity works

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

[mossy venture]

then youll be spending $550 for a good quality one for gaming

[untold vessel]

Design, modeling, etc

[mossy venture]

also

[untold vessel]

Don't need the 4k monitor for gaming, need it for Design and modeling

[mossy venture]

1440p at 27inch looks just as good as 4k at 31in/32in

[empty pollen]

maybe with all the savings he can upgrade to a 3080

if he really wants to use 4k for productivity

[untold vessel]

Wait that sounds incredible

[mossy venture]

1500 not including ssd price, can def get a 3080

[untold vessel]

Yeah we're going for a Price-to-performance all Black productivity PC

[mossy venture]

4k is far from price/perf

[untold vessel]

ssd already purchased

[mossy venture]

i know

[untold vessel]

Please explain

[mossy venture]

thats why i said it

[empty pollen]

plus for performance he should upgrade the cpu as well.. i think

[untold vessel]

Sweet

[untold vessel]

Do tell more please

[mossy venture]

12400 is perfectly fine for a 3080

[untold vessel]

Would +$100 for the 12600 be worth it?

[empty pollen]

even for a workload/productivity setting?

[mossy venture]

12600 isnt worth it, 12600k/kf is

depends on the work theyre doing

[untold vessel]

12600fk* whoops

[frigid night]

12600k would be a good one

[mossy venture]

if its intense on cpu, id go 12700f and 3070

[sharp bear]

thanks Pato, seems great
does it make a difference if the gpu has 2/3 fans?

[untold vessel]

Light 3d modeling

[untold vessel]

Hmmmmm I do like the sound of that

[empty pollen]

though the same, upgrade to a 12700f/3080

[frigid night]

probably best to go with 3 fans.

[empty pollen]

on a 1500 budget that seems reasonable

[frigid night]

right? still needs a mobo

[empty pollen]

plus the ak620 will work fine with that as well

[mossy venture]

clc 280 is still $62

why not go for it

[empty pollen]

could be, yes

[frigid night]

I'd go for clc 280

may as well

and it'll look good.

[empty pollen]

any savings could mean potential gpu/cpu upgrade

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jBBkwc Current Build so far. Total Budget is $1,500. Can go a couple bucks above for tax, if needed.

Currently need:

-AIO Cooler
-Motherboard
-Case

-We have $180 Left to split between these three. What can we do for the best Performance to Price?

[mossy venture]

ak620 is same price as clc 280

[empty pollen]

but 12700f and 3080 seems very reasonable and more than enough

[mossy venture]

clc 280 for the aio

[untold vessel]

Took your suggestions into consideration, what can we do

[mossy venture]

and buy it from antonline as the seller on amazon

[untold vessel]

Got it, brb

[frigid night]

Amazon is selling it for 3 or 4 cheaper

[empty pollen]

if you cant go 3080 then settle at 6700xt instead

[frigid night]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N16CAKN/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

[mossy venture]

sometimes nvidia plays better with certain 3d modeling softwares

[frigid night]

this one is 59.99 from amazon as the seller.

[mossy venture]

so id research that before making a decision on gpu

[empty pollen]

and/or ask your brother about what type of workload will use... or better yet, bring him here to advice him more effectively

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8qZNyK Current Build so far. Total Budget is $1,500. Can go a couple bucks above for tax, if needed.

Currently need:

-Motherboard
-Case

-We have $128 Left to split between these three. What can we do for the best Performance to Price?

Actually now that I'm looking at it $128 is not going to do it for Mobo AND Case

What things should I downgrade

Downgrade to 12600KF?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dbM98r

[frigid night]

the thing is with going for a good 12th gen.. you may have to spend closer to 2k.

nvm.

[empty pollen]

not on a 660

[frigid night]

that mobo gonna look tiny in that case 😄

but whatever work shaha

[empty pollen]

no

is a 4000

is a small case

it will look fine

[frigid night]

I have a 4000D

and a 5000D

[mossy venture]

4000d is def not a small case, but its fine

[frigid night]

4000D is "small" but it'll still look tiny in there.

[empty pollen]

i have a micro atx on a 5000x... that looks small

but on a 4000, nah

[untold vessel]

What qualities should I look for in a good mobo?

[mossy venture]

the one i put in there

it can handle a 12900

[frigid night]

nothing to much tbh with a f series cpu

er

[empty pollen]

a non-k series

[frigid night]

non-k

that's what I meant lol

[untold vessel]

Okay, you're going to slap me for this, but do we have any good looking mobos in black or dark gray

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KKbTwP/msi-pro-b660m-a-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-ddr4 how does this look to you

[empty pollen]

believe me, you are not goin to see your pc at all times

you will forget about its insides in a week

[frigid night]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-annoyed-irritated-kid-gif-5013065

[untold vessel]

This looks incredible!

Thank you Frog

Now for the tradeoff

Is the difference between those two boards that bad?

[mossy venture]

not sure

vrms are a decent bit worse, but i think itll be fine for a 12700f

[empty pollen]

mostly aesthetics

[untold vessel]

Let's gooo

[frigid night]

I suppose in a blackout build, but for me.. 3 months and I still sit here and admire the inside of my PC for at least 30 min a day.

[untold vessel]

This build is going to look so clean

[frigid night]

like I straight gaze into it. loving every bit of it.

[empty pollen]

i was mad when i bought my case cause they dont have the "black" version... but these days i see my case and... well... its ok xD

[desert gulch]

G5 sucks

[mossy venture]

B tier

its fine enough for the build

[frigid night]

I would cringe every time I looked into your case too. 😉

[mossy venture]

unless the gm is still cheap

[desert gulch]

Tier ain't everything

Toss a gt in there something

[empty pollen]

my time is coming... a couple months more... just wait

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LwBkwc

[empty pollen]

i have 1.3k ready for my masterpiece

[frigid night]

cute

[empty pollen]

not accounting gpu

muahahahaha

it will be am5 or raptor lake, the better one will win :3

we shall see

[fossil cedar]

No probs, and nope

[untold vessel]

We did it!!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WyM98r

[empty pollen]

thats why i secured my 5000x

[desert gulch]

G+? solid
G2? problematic
G3? problematic
G5? meh
G6? solid
GA? meh
GT? solid

Thats my interpretation after looking at testing atleast

[fossil cedar]

G6 =

[desert gulch]

Yes shill g6

[empty pollen]

i have a ga.... 6 months strong.... no problems so far

[desert gulch]

Ga is fine just inst great with transients

[empty pollen]

true, im well aware of the transients on 3080 and up

but on 3060ti.... its fine

[untold vessel]

Thoughts on this 650W vs this 750W for a price difference of $25?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/49VG3C/evga-supernova-gt-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-gt-0650-y1
VS.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qH4Ycf/evga-supernova-g6-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-0750-x1

[desert gulch]

For what parts?

[untold vessel]

I did a bit of research and found out that the EVGA SuperNOVA G6 was an A/S-Tier PSU that was collaborated between Seasonic and EVGA

[desert gulch]

Yup G6 is seasonic creation

[empty pollen]

yeah go g6

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WyM98r

[desert gulch]

Not necessarily

[mossy venture]

g6 is great, just not needed for this build

[empty pollen]

he cant go wrong with either of them, so ill choose the 750w one

but yeah, its kinda overkill

[untold vessel]

Should I downgrade the G6 and spend $25 on fans?

[mossy venture]

tho ig you have a bit of headroom to go for it if you get a 6700xt

[mossy venture]

p12s are cheap

go for those

[desert gulch]

Either one is fine tbh, depends if you want a bit more headroom

Gt is actually quite solid for the price

Good load reg, transients

[mossy venture]

id just do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LwBkwc

and yes it has the gt ryan

[desert gulch]

Sweet

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LPZFf7/arctic-p12-563-cfm-120-mm-fan-acfan00133a ?

[mossy venture]

i would still highly advise against that monitor, but it seems your brother is deadset on it so

[desert gulch]

Last thing I'd want them to consider is a matx board in ATX case

[untold vessel]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[desert gulch]

Aesthetics ofc

[mossy venture]

just a warning

he will have issues with it

burn in, dead pixels, something will happen with it

a cheap 4k monitor like that cannot be good

[empty pollen]

when i see all of these parts i curse myself for having a white case.... damn white taxes

black parts on a white case are kinda weird

[mossy venture]

im bouta have a black build in a white case

bc p360a was on sale

[empty pollen]

i had the 5000x cause on my country every case below that one were of horrible quality

and the 4000x was... no no

also cant import cases sadly cause the weight T_T

my options were limited on home brands of very terrible quality

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VRc8H2

Any Recommendations on an AIO as good as the current one but in All-Black?

[empty pollen]

clc280

[desert gulch]

There isn't anything else close

Clc is a hella sale

[mossy venture]

no good aios are that cheap except for the clc

[empty pollen]

bacca already had it there

[untold vessel]

Basically just suck it up at deal with gray, eh?

[desert gulch]

Doesn't look super gray tbh

[untold vessel]

Time to work spraypaint into budget

[empty pollen]

you need to cut some corners elsewhere if you want to fit an 100+ aio

[untold vessel]

[mossy venture]

can replace the fans with p14s

[untold vessel]

I like the sound of that

Ah shoot I need to buy thermal compound since we're building this

Guys, any recommendations?

[mossy venture]

it comes with the aio

[untold vessel]

oh shoot sweet

Let's gooo

Anything else I need to buy if this is the first PC I'm ever building?

[desert gulch]

I would ask again if the aesthetic of matx board in ATX case is alright

[untold vessel]

Ah, great point, what should I do?

[desert gulch]

Depends on what you want tbf

[untold vessel]

Smaller case / Bigger board? What would the pricings be?

[desert gulch]

If you wanted it all filled, you'd wanna go bigger board which would probs be another $20-30 ish?

[mossy venture]

is asus prime atx?

[desert gulch]

Just depends on your aesthetic preference, since matx is much better value

[untold vessel]

We could do that! Which one should we do?

[desert gulch]

If it doesn't have a m after the b660

[untold vessel]

Let's fill it in

Does Corsair 4000D airflow come with any fans? I can't find any info on it

[desert gulch]

It does

Iirc one intake one exhaust

[untold vessel]

Will that be enough?

[desert gulch]

Imma head out, baka just get somethin with half decent vrms, I know you will

Can always toss in a $5 p12

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/32NxFT/asus-prime-b660-plus-d4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-b660-plus-d4 if you can deal with the white, though im not sure itll run a 12700f fine

[empty pollen]

yeah you can fit 2 more for intake

easily

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FsfnTW/msi-pro-b660-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660-a-ddr4 this is also good

itll be fine with the 12700

[untold vessel]

How much more would we spend if we can bump up the fine to a good?

[mossy venture]

the one i just linked

not much

[untold vessel]

Sweet, brb

What's the difference between Z and B

[mossy venture]

wdym

[untold vessel]

z690 vs b660

[mossy venture]

oh

z690s allow cpu ocing

but then you would need a k cpu

[untold vessel]

oh no need for that

yeah

Hold on I need wifi

[mossy venture]

you can use an external wifi card

[untold vessel]

How much for one of those?

[mossy venture]

maybe $20

let me look at mobos

one sec

[untold vessel]

tysm

[mossy venture]

nothing atx with wifi under $190

[untold vessel]

poo

[mossy venture]

theres matx with wifi for 150

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34kWGX/msi-pro-b660m-a-wifi-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-wifi-ddr4

but thats about it

[untold vessel]

hmmmmm

wifi or looks

[mossy venture]

for me, im using an interal and external wifi card together

[untold vessel]

What does that do?

[mossy venture]

gives better connection

[untold vessel]

Okay I can do ATX with wifi for $190

[mossy venture]

not worth it tbh

better to just get the external wifi card

[untold vessel]

I need the ATX so it fills out the 4000D airflow

$30 for looks basically

[jagged ember]

eh

[mossy venture]

just get the non wifi

[untold vessel]

Why so

[mossy venture]

oh wait

math

nvm

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H7gFf7/msi-mag-b660-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-mag-b660-tomahawk-wifi-ddr4 only one

[jagged ember]

or, just get an atx mobo and buy a pcie wifi card

[untold vessel]

THIS LOOKS SO SICK

[jagged ember]

unless that's more expensive

[mossy venture]

comes to the same price tho

[jagged ember]

i see

then yeah, sure

[mossy venture]

because $150 for mobo

very similar prices atleast

[untold vessel]

Can someone please explain for dummies why not activating windows is not that big of a deal

[viral ore]

well, are you using windows unactivated right now?

[jagged ember]

windows unactivated works the same

just no customization

of stuff like taskbar

[untold vessel]

Tysm

Now can someone explain windows home vs windows pro

and specifically why anyone would ever need windows pro

[jagged ember]

activation scripts can be used to deal with the watermark

I won't say anymore

pro has more features and flexibility iirc

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hbn8TW/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3090-24-gb-aorus-xtreme-waterforce-video-card-gv-n3090aorusx-w24gd

Yes or No

$7,000

[sharp bear]

🙄

[mossy venture]

def

[vague oracle]

Pro is more for business and managing a business’ network iirc

[spring hedge]

@fossil cedar I forgot the $2000 gaming pc you send me a long time ago can you send it to me again if you can were getting the parts tomorrow and building when we get them so thank you

[mossy venture]

Do you care about amd vs nvidia?

[spring hedge]

nvidia

[mossy venture]

Here you go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ctvZw

Ssd is on sale on amazon

[fossil cedar]

I dont remember but i can do new list, wifi? rgb?

[spring hedge]

yes both

[fossil cedar]

would do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bkZVBj

[spring hedge]

would this be good with another 1tb of ram https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09V2PXDR8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AWD7GDDT7Q2ZT&psc=1

[fossil cedar]

thats meh, 100$ ram + 100$ ssd - both what theyre worth

[spring hedge]

so should i get what you gave me?

[fossil cedar]

what i gave

[spring hedge]

and how much storage is in that ssd

[fossil cedar]

2tb

[mossy venture]

Very good deal

[spring hedge]

its out of stock right now how do i get it

[mossy venture]

One of the best gen 3 ssds for not much more than an entry level gen 3 one

[fossil cedar]

is it? amazon lies to me cuz im outside the us

idk half the time

[mossy venture]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B099RHVB42

It's in stock

[spring hedge]

it didnt show it for me

[fossil cedar]

are you not in the us atm?

[spring hedge]

i got it thank you so much

[strong raft]

You'll be pleased w/ that one. Basically the best gen 3 for general use.

[ornate condor]

those teamgroup bundles having discount code usually . its good deal with 10% off discounts

[spiral vale]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QTJhjZ what motherboard should I buy?

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd swap for 12700f

[half iron]

How to fix an orange light on msi motherboard says vga which is the gpu

[obsidian wigeon]

as for mobo, msi b660m-a pro should be fine

[obsidian wigeon]

have you connected gpu power connectors?

or is the gpu installed correctly

[half iron]

Yup

Hopefully it clicked in

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

try reinstalling the gpu

and the power cable too

[half iron]

Just took off the cable

[obsidian wigeon]

you used 8 pin, right?

or 6+2

[half iron]

Yup

[obsidian wigeon]

i guess you have to try reseating the gpu

[half iron]

Pin look good on the gpu side

[half iron]

Should I connect it to the one on the bottom also for gpu it slower right?

[obsidian wigeon]

The difference won't be too much tbh

But top is always better

You can try bottom slot if you want, just to see if the card works

[half iron]

Ok if not I will return this one

Could it be a problem with motherboard?

[obsidian wigeon]

likely

but i'd say it's more gpu

if the fans doesn't spin up

the gpu is likely the problem

[half iron]

The fan work on the gpu but after that nothing

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

okay

[half iron]

So it could probably be the motherboard?

But the motherboard turn the speak the cpu fan and the case fan so idk?

Speaker*

[obsidian wigeon]

Try doing a cmos reset

Unplug the psu from the wall first, then find a cmos clear button or take the little coin battery out for like 10 mins

[half iron]

Where can u find a cmos clear button

[obsidian wigeon]

it's only available for some mobos

or you can find a jumper pin, gotta put some metallic object on it tho

[half iron]

For you can easily guide I will give you my motherboard MSI b660m mag

Can it be these two ones?

Above bottom right cable?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

the jbat

sorry for the slow reply

[untold vessel]

How can I tell if a mobo has wifi or not on PCPartPicker?

[obsidian wigeon]

well

if it says yes on wifi