building-and-recc-chat

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[ebon nest]

hello

can i send my parts list

i need some advice for my build

intel i310100, asus prime b560m-k, Crucial 3200mhz 16gb (8x2), samsung 980 nvme m.2 250gb, 600w cougar vte 600, gtx 1650 or rx 6500xt, case: cougar mx410-t RGB

[obsidian wigeon]

ehh

not a good choice

what's your budget?

[fossil cedar]

And country

[tidal moth]

0 forks

Get wrecked @celest horizon

You should change your name to fork

For a little bit

Singular

[frank stirrup]

smh

old joke

[analog pulsar]

@keen bobcat ay nice build btw how you get it so cheap

[glad robin]

chat! is there a gigabyte app i can use to check the temperature of my cpu??? i have app center installed and i have a gigabyte motherboard!

[mossy venture]

you can use hwinfo64

it doesnt have to be the same brand as your motherboard

im not even sure if gigabyte has a monitoring software

[glad robin]

@mossy venture ok nevermind i found it! gigabyte uses easy tune for hardware monitoring

[mossy venture]

i doubt thats any good

id just use hwinfo64

[glad robin]

hwinfo sux i have to keep redownloading it

whenever they update it

[mossy venture]

you dont have to update it

[idle citrus]

hi

[analog pulsar]

Hello

general getting crazy

okay

[idle citrus]

yeah

[analog pulsar]

click networking

[idle citrus]

i dont see

[analog pulsar]

this

[idle citrus]

done

it ehows the screen you sent

shows*

[analog pulsar]

what do you see

[idle citrus]

wait wrong poc

there

pic*

[analog pulsar]

click this

whats the media state

[idle citrus]

enabled

[analog pulsar]

okay now details

[analog pulsar]

okay im gunna run you threw some stuff again bc idk what was done

Check the Ethernet cable and connection. Make sure the Ethernet cable is securely plugged into the Ethernet port on both your router and Windows 11 PC. On your router, make sure the Ethernet cable is plugged into the correct Ethernet port—not the Internet port that’s used to connect your modem and router.

did you do this already

did you check if cable is faulty

[idle citrus]

yeah

ethernet is plugged into ethernet port tight

[analog pulsar]

okay

[idle citrus]

if i take it out it feels like id break it

[analog pulsar]

do you have another cable you can use

[idle citrus]

another ethernet?

[analog pulsar]

yea

cable

[idle citrus]

yeah

i tried the other one already

[analog pulsar]

okay\

did you restart your router

[idle citrus]

yes

[analog pulsar]

okay

lets run some network commands

[idle citrus]

ok

[analog pulsar]

Run network commands. Try running these network commands to manually reset the TCP/IP stack, release and renew the IP address, and flush and reset the DNS client resolver cache:

Select Search on the taskbar, type Command prompt. The Command Prompt button will appear. To the right of it, select Run as administrator > Yes.

At the command prompt, run the following commands in the listed order, and then check to see if that fixes your connection problem:

Type netsh winsock reset and select Enter.

Type netsh int ip reset and select Enter.

Type ipconfig /release and select Enter.

Type ipconfig /renew and select Enter.

Type ipconfig /flushdns and select Enter.

[boreal notch]

what temp should my cpu be at idle?

[analog pulsar]

32C

or lower

[boreal notch]

oh

[analog pulsar]

why

what is it

[boreal notch]

so not that huh?

[analog pulsar]

um

thats a little high

did you install cpu cooler right

[boreal notch]

I am running my search engine and downloading something

[boreal notch]

yes

if you are talking about my fan

[idle citrus]

@analog pulsar

[analog pulsar]

whats your utilization tho and wattage

[analog pulsar]

yes

[idle citrus]

it let me type all of them up to the last one

it wont let me type

the last one

[analog pulsar]

hmmm

[idle citrus]

it says windows ip configuration

and not the windows system thing

[analog pulsar]

it wont let you flush the dns

okay

[idle citrus]

nope

[analog pulsar]

Uninstall the Ethernet network adapter driver and restart. If the previous steps didn’t work, try to uninstall the network adapter driver, and then restart your computer. Windows will automatically install the latest driver. Consider this approach if your network connection stopped working properly after a recent update.

[boreal notch]

how do I find those

[analog pulsar]

well task manager or cam if thats what your using

Select Search on the taskbar, type Device Manager, and then select Device Manager from the list of results.

Expand Network adapters and locate the Ethernet network adapter for your device.

Select the network adapter, press and hold (or right-click), and then select Uninstall device > the Attempt to remove the driver for this device check box > Uninstall.

After uninstalling the driver, select the Start button > Power > Restart.

After your PC restarts, Windows will automatically look for and install the network adapter driver. Check to see if that fixes your connection problem. If Windows doesn't automatically install a driver, try to install the backup driver you saved before uninstalling. @idle citrus

[idle citrus]

do i do this first

[analog pulsar]

yes go to device manager and uninstall

[idle citrus]

where doni go to uninstall

do i*

[analog pulsar]

Select Search on the taskbar, type Device Manager, and then select Device Manager from the list of results.

[idle citrus]

what from there

[analog pulsar]

this

select your internet thing

[idle citrus]

uhm

what should my internet thing say

[analog pulsar]

mine would be the realtek you might not have same one as me

[idle citrus]

how do i check what mine is

[analog pulsar]

can you send screenshot im not sure

[analog pulsar]

wait

[idle citrus]

okay

[analog pulsar]

do you have a wifi card in at all

[boreal notch]

I cannot find either

[idle citrus]

nope

[analog pulsar]

okay you want realtek PCIe 2.5

[idle citrus]

ok

ok its uninstalled

now what

[analog pulsar]

press windows key and type in task manager

[analog pulsar]

restart pc

[idle citrus]

ok

[analog pulsar]

After uninstalling the driver, select the Start button > Power > Restart.

[idle citrus]

i already restarted

after uninstalling it

[analog pulsar]

okay

[idle citrus]

ok im back in

now what

[analog pulsar]

do you have internet

[idle citrus]

no

no wifi mobo

[viral ore]

what do you need help with @idle citrus

[idle citrus]

ethernet problem

[viral ore]

gimme a quick rundown

[idle citrus]

invalid ip configuration

no wifi mobo

ethernet doesnt wanna connect

[viral ore]

has the ethernet worked before?

[idle citrus]

i dont know

not on this pc

havent tested the ethernet out

been sitting ina. closet

[viral ore]

i see, do other ethernet devices work?

[boreal notch]

I found utilization

its around 14%

[idle citrus]

like what

[boreal notch]

but not wattage

[viral ore]

literally anything, if you have used ethernet before

[idle citrus]

nope

never used before

[viral ore]

is the ethernet cable going straight to the router?

[idle citrus]

yes

to my pc

mobo

[viral ore]

is this a new ethernet cable?

[idle citrus]

no

[viral ore]

do you know if its worked before?

nevermind

[idle citrus]

nope

idk

[viral ore]

did it look bent and kinked, or was it wound up properly

[idle citrus]

it was in good shape

[viral ore]

ok

[idle citrus]

how do i download my other network thing back

my realtek

[viral ore]

check for windows updates

[idle citrus]

ok

[viral ore]

windows is pretty good about drivers nowadays

run it, see if a network driver starts installing

[idle citrus]

up to date

it says i needa be connected to internet

to check for updates

[viral ore]

oh haha

im dumb

do you have another windows or apple device you can use?

[idle citrus]

yeah

both

[viral ore]

got a usb drive?

[idle citrus]

no

nah im jk yeah

[viral ore]

pog

what mobo you got?

[idle citrus]

msi pro b660m a ddr4

non wifi

[viral ore]

DM'd direct link to nic drivers

once those are installed, see whats up, if its still the same issue there are some things you can check, but a problematic/dead network device is a possibility

[cerulean pivot]

I got a 6700xt and a new 550 watt power supply and now Ethernet doesn’t work. (Sorry for incompetence) the online router says that the device is online. Motherboard is: asrock b450 steel legend

[spiral vale]

Msi rtx 3080 vs EVGA 3080? Which one should I buy?

[frank stirrup]

models and price?

[spiral vale]

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-3080-10g-p5-3897-kl/p/N82E16814487541?item=N82E16814487541 VS https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-rtx-3080-ventus-3x-plus-12g-oc-lhr/p/N82E16814137712?item=N82E16814137712

[frank stirrup]

ftw3

[spiral vale]

Soooo msi or Evga…… I don’t really know what ftw3 means, sorry

[frank stirrup]

evga

ftw3 is the model made by evga

[spiral vale]

Really!

Tech support at Linus discord wanted me to buy msi because it’s 12gb

[spiral vale]

Any particular reason?

[stoic island]

The 3080 12gb and the 3080 10gb are different GPUs

the 3080 12gb would win on a GPU to GPU basis, although ventus is a worse model in general than ftw3

[spiral vale]

Ok…. Let me ask a different question

[stoic island]

If both were 3080 10gb, ftw3 would win because better cooling

[spiral vale]

If you were in my shoes, what one would you buy?

[stoic island]

if you have a good case, 3080 12gb ventus 3x might pull ahead in performance

[spiral vale]

2 people are saying different things….. I don’t know which one to get….

[frigid night]

If you have good airflow case, the 3080 12gb ventus 3x might pull ahead in prrformance.

[spiral vale]

I’m buying ftw3. :3

[frigid night]

Solid choice.

[spiral vale]

ty

[frigid night]

Is this build going to be able to handle a 4090?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/tiraniss/saved/Yg8JnQ

Just curious if the PSU is good enough or I'll have to upgrade.

[errant fiber]

obviously

[strong raft]

[frigid night]

?

Like I know the plugs will be different, but I thought someone said there will be adapters to use.

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-cat-nod-cat-nodding-cute-cat-gif-23793862

[fossil cedar]

Probably be fine as long as you can get a 3rd pcie power from antec

[frigid night]

I want to say I got 2 single pcie cables and 2 double pcie cables.

[fossil cedar]

So you have 4 pcie cables?

With 2 of them having daisy chains

[frigid night]

I believe so. I was going to check when I got home.

[fossil cedar]

If so that's 600w of pcie power you can do

Which should be good

[frigid night]

I know that I have 2 single pcie hooked to psu because I had planned on getting the sapphire nitro+ 6900xt so I just wanted it in there so I didn't have to mess with the cable management later.

And I swear I remember seeing 2 daisy chain as well.

Because I remember thinking to myself how ugly it would look to have a second plug just hanging out lol

[fossil cedar]

You can zip tie them back onto themselves or something

[frigid night]

Yeah, I would probably do that.

[marble whale]

Oh now my task manager is broken

Help

I have a 4700MQ and task manager is saying I got 2 cores

[frank stirrup]

download cpuz

see how many cores that says u have

[marble whale]

Ok

It's running like a 2 core also

[frank stirrup]

ok

download cpuz

and see what that says

[marble whale]

Ok

[fossil cedar]

Task manager is known for misreading

[marble whale]

Still

Help?

[frigid night]

In your windows search bar, type "msconfig" without quotes and press enter.

[marble whale]

Ok

[frigid night]

Next go to the boot tab

And click advanced options

Take a screenshot of the window that pops up

[frigid night]

Uncheck that box, reboot and check to see if it's detecting all cores again.

[marble whale]

Ok thx

Oh my sounds like a jet taking off lol

[frigid night]

?

[marble whale]

The laptop

Thanks

[frigid night]

It worked?

[marble whale]

Yeah

[frigid night]

Good.

[frank stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-pat-gif-24957682

You have learnt well my padawan

I was just gonna suggest that

[frigid night]

I try to retain all the info I see here :P

[frank stirrup]

Yeah i remember walking someone through that same thing like 3 or 4 days back

[frigid night]

Oh, idr that, I just remember like a month or so ago someone had the same problem and that was the fix :P

I probably learnt it from you anyways

[marble whale]

Do I just delete 5he intel drivers to get my gpu to work?

[frigid night]

Integrated?

Like your cpu is your gpu?

[marble whale]

No the intel graphics card thing

[frank stirrup]

!ddu

[marble whale]

Not the 6000w gpu

[still roost]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[frank stirrup]

the what

[frigid night]

I totally went to your channel to grab the link :D. I didn't know you made a bot command.

[marble whale]

The thing that's not the graphic catd

[frank stirrup]

even !bat is a command now :)

[frigid night]

Noice

[frank stirrup]

forks added it a few days back

[frigid night]

Awesome. What a forkin good guy.

[marble whale]

The thing that's not the graphics card

[frank stirrup]

[frank stirrup]

integrated graphoics

or igpu

whats the problem with it?

[marble whale]

Yeah that ig

Do I delete the drivers to make the gtx 675m work

[frank stirrup]

nope

[marble whale]

For the APU

Oh ok

[frank stirrup]

dont need to uninstall any drivers

[marble whale]

Not 4 the Intel igpu

[fossil cedar]

You summoned me?

[frank stirrup]

Pat not Pato

smh

[marble whale]

Lol

[frigid night]

Excuse me? Those are my pats.

[marble whale]

Fight fight fight

[fossil cedar]

Close enough

[steady talon]

Hello everyone, not sure if this is the right place to ask this.

I have a dilemma and was wondering if anyone can help me.

1.) I have 6 monitors rig but only 4 currently works with the evga 3080 ftw setup. I want all 6 to work so my first question is will installing a second graphic card like the evga 3060 work? if not what graphic card will be complementary?

2.) I have a 850W power supply at the moment, will I need to upgrade that as well and what do I need to upgrade it to?

other parts of the build is:
motherboard - ASUS TUF GAMING Z690PLUS WF D4
Intel I9-12900K
RAM - 32GB 2X16 D4 3600 CL14 WT

Thanks in advance if anyone can help me figure out what I need to grab to get it working.

[potent portal]

What processor do you have? A GPU typically only supports 4 but you can get more working if you have integrated graphics.

Oh right 12900k

Plug 2 of them into the motherboard and make sure the Intel graphics drivers are installed

[steady talon]

So get a 3060 and download the intel i9? What about the power supply currently. Will it hold all of that?

[potent portal]

As for the power supply, that depends on the model and what you're using the PC for.

No need for another GPU, your processor has one as long as it's not the F or KF.

[tired turtle]

some motherboards dont support multimonitor he will have to check bios to see if its there and enabled

[steady talon]

Thanks so much!

[tired turtle]

but yes that the smartest/cheapest option, besides that or if you have latency issues you can get a cheaper low profile gpu vs a 3060 for more display out

[steady talon]

thanks! I will need to figure out how to pull up the bios

[tired turtle]

turn off pc > turn on pc and spam f2 or delete or whatever is prompted to enter bios upon startup

[potent portal]

Usually it's delete on gaming boards

[tired turtle]

i need to clean my systems they are caked in dust rn

[potent portal]

Sometimes there's also an option to disable the iGPU if a discrete GPU is detected, so if that exists it should be off as well

[steady talon]

Prior to the 3080 i had 2 PNY video cards in it but when i took out one and replace it with the 3080 and turn on the computer it only sense the 3080 or the PNY video card

[tired turtle]

probably because they are two different graphics drivers that wont communicate together

[potent portal]

Probably a driver issue there

[tired turtle]

^ yep

[steady talon]

I'll try the bios and motherboard technique with the intel driver. But if that doesn't work either what cheaper GPU card will compliment the 3080 y'all think?

[potent portal]

!bat

[still roost]

Link to a general windows fixes and scans by Risen
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Windows-Troubleshooting-Utilities/releases/download/v12/Windows.Utilities.and.Fixes.Latest.bat

[potent portal]

You can use that to download the Intel drivers

[tired turtle]

hmm well im guessing you want dual display port out? let me look

[steady talon]

yup yup 🙂

[tired turtle]

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GT-1030-LP-OC/dp/B072BL9CRM/ref=asc_df_B072BL9CRM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309777534894&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17038145041264889575&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002271&hvtargid=pla-491837893133&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=58425267301&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=309777534894&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17038145041264889575&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002271&hvtargid=pla-491837893133

this is 1 dp 1 hdmi

[potent portal]

Something simple like a 1030 would work, and doesn't use much power

[tired turtle]

but low profile no external power

[potent portal]

Yeah like that

But not at that price

[tired turtle]

yeah dont buy off amazon lol just search for that card used or something

[potent portal]

You can find a 1060 for that price lol

[tired turtle]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/275351960732?epid=903816758&hash=item401c417c9c%3Ag%3AVvgAAOSwOghiq55-&LH_BIN=1

87$ here

[steady talon]

@tired turtle and @potent portal I'll try those and let y'all know what happens! You guys rock! way better help than any support chat lol

[tired turtle]

no prob

[potent portal]

That's what we're here for

You'd be surprised how often people get told to come here by the newegg support chat lol

[tired turtle]

ugly cables

[analog pulsar]

bruh

[steady talon]

i guess they thought it was a better option than hire a specialist to work there lol. Talk about big brain moves right there. Microcenter is worse with support cause I have to go in person lol

[potent portal]

Yep, this way they only need to have a couple admins check in on us and they don't have to pay as many regular support people because we're volunteers

[tired turtle]

as much as in free? or are you guys on payroll lol

[potent portal]

It's often very specific questions that most mid-level techs wouldn't even know that get recommended here

Nah mods, techies, etc are volunteers. Only the admins are actual staff.

[tired turtle]

cool cool

i picked up a sit stand frame recently and ive stood so long over the weekend my hips are on fire

[potent portal]

That can be better for your posture if you do it right

[tired turtle]

yeah i def stood way too long this weekend but normally stand for 30-1hr minutes every 1-2hrs at my desk

been using a sit stand at work for about 2 years now its great

also eat my lunch standing now which helps with heartburn/acid reflux

just need to source or build a new desktop for the desk currently ziptied a folding table to the frame

[potent portal]

Interesting, I wouldn't have thought standing to eat could help that. Might have to try it.

[tired turtle]

right on the dot of what i said pretty much lol

[frigid night]

I get paid... in pats.

[tired turtle]

oh i guess standing while eating also has a lot of bad connotations

[tired turtle]

[sharp bear]

Ayo guys, I have the opportunity to buy this used pc with these components for 1400 EUROS, it is 1.5 years old.
What is your advice?

[potent portal]

You could build it yourself for that price, with better parts https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Tycs8r

[fossil cedar]

Too much would want to haggle it down to 1200 imo especially considering the meh case

[sharp bear]

You guys are right.
@potent portal I only changed the CPU with the i5 12600kf (75€ difference) https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/GPnVBj

So should I rather get this build?

[potent portal]

Yeah that would work, then you get the e-cores

[sharp bear]

I can get the rtx 3070 ti used for 540, would you swap it or stick with the rx6750 xt?

[obsidian wigeon]

if you really want to

it's still cheaper than the Radeon

[sharp bear]

Alright, is there anythings I need to pay attention to when buying a used card?

Seller provided these 2 pics

[desert gulch]

My main concern would be improperly mining and ruining the vram

[potent portal]

Check the seller reputation. If they don't have a lot of ratings, probably good to avoid. If they don't sell any other electronics, that's a half-red flag. If they haven't sold anything within the last year, that's another half-red.

[sharp bear]

It is "unopened, seller has the recipe"

They sell these electronics and there is no rating

[potent portal]

Recipe? Not a receipt? I'd love the recipe to make GPUs

[sharp bear]

Receipt yes lmao

[desert gulch]

Reverse image search those pics

[potent portal]

Good call

[desert gulch]

Or ask them to have a note with the date, and their seller name, next to the GPU and take a pic

[sharp bear]

That's really a good call

[potent portal]

Yeah, I always take a sticky note with my seller name and place it in on the item in one of the pics

For high value stuff especially

[near nacelle]

I was setting things up to connect my fans and I think I'm missing a part? A connector?

[potent portal]

A hub maybe, that's a lot of fans. They usually plug right into the board.

[near nacelle]

Lemme check the front if there's just a place to put it in.

You're talking about this?

My case has two okay fans for the intake, was planning on using the 3pack corsair fans for exhaust, I can do 2 exhaust if that's all it allows

[mossy venture]

I would just get p12s

[frank stirrup]

p12 good fan

[potent portal]

Your motherboard has 4 headers for system fans, 1 for the cpu, and 1 for water cooling pump (you can probably use this for a fan too)

Yes those

[frank stirrup]

p12 pst needs only 1 header

[near nacelle]

I'll work with the fans I got for now and note p12s as an upgrade for later.

[fossil cedar]

That's a good deal yeah

[fossil cedar]

If no rating don't buy off ebay that's a nogo for me mainly scan accounts

[near nacelle]

Alright so I worked them in and around the front

These two can go in the four pronged slots? I see a groove on one side of them that matches the cables

[potent portal]

Yes the 3 pin fans can go on a 4 pin header

[near nacelle]

Mk just double checking

And you said there's 4 total. These make two, and the one on the is used by the cpu cooler fan. The last ones only for water cooling? Where's that one

Oh wait, there's two more on the bottom labels sys_fan slots

[empty pollen]

usually six on most mobos these days, 2 for the cpu and 4 for the case

[near nacelle]

The three fans I have can fit then? I just have to use one of the plugs on the bottom

[mossy venture]

Fan splitters also exist

Where you can plug two fans into one header

[empty pollen]

yes you can

[near nacelle]

That's was some people in videos where talking about

[mossy venture]

I use a few of those

Two to be exact

[potent portal]

There's 4 plus the ones for the CPU and water pump

So yes your fans should fit, you can use the pump one as a fan header on most boards. It's a bios setting if so.

[near nacelle]

I didn't see my stuff Coming with them, so I'll get splitter cables later and rearrange it

[empty pollen]

and if you want to run more fans you should get a header like the ones bacca suggested 🙂

[near nacelle]

Splitter cables just link all of them to one so it's easier yeah

[potent portal]

Which makes it so you can have 5 plus the cpu. Splitters can be easier in some cases.

[empty pollen]

yeah its for cable management and/or if you are running more fans

splitters are very handy

[near nacelle]

I'll def get splitters later, this is the fans right now

[empty pollen]

rock solid 👍

[near nacelle]

Thanks good to know. I'm gonna rotate that back fan so the wire goes straight through. I'll come back when I need help on installing my storage

[near nacelle]

Alright I'm onto the storage and Psu, I'm. Little confused on what cabled are what. But I need help installing the storage

[potent portal]

Oh cool you have a tool-less drive bay, those are nice

You can just slide that right out, the sides will bow out like in the picture, and you'll line the pegs up with the holes on the drive

[near nacelle]

So I put it in with the chip stuff facing inwards

[potent portal]

It'll only fit one way

[near nacelle]

Ah okay I see it now

Doesn't matter if it's the top or bottom?

It Is pretty cool

[potent portal]

Doesn't matter much no

[near nacelle]

My case came with screws one should fit these bottom ones

[desert fox]

looking to upgrade my computer and wanted to make sure i wasent bottle necking. could also use suggestions on supporting mods if anyone is willing to help

[potent portal]

No need, the side pegs are enough to secure it

[near nacelle]

Okay then

[fossil cedar]

what do you have at the moment, whats your budget and what country?

[near nacelle]

Awesome, now I'm onto the psu. There's a whole Lot of cables and I'm trying to figure out where they go on the motherboard.

[potent portal]

PCIe goes to the GPU

[desert fox]

cpu- intel i5 9400f, gpu- nvidia rtx 2060, asrock b365 phantom 4 motherboard, ram- 2 8gb ddr4 Tforce , storage- some intel 1tb ssd. not trying to drop 1k right now but willing to throw a few hundred at it and another few hundred a little later. located in the us

[potent portal]

Each brand calls it different but the one that breaks into 4+4 pins goes to the top of the motherboard

[desert fox]

@fossil cedar

just use my pc for school and gaming but all i play is escape from tarkov and its pretty demanding

[vague oracle]

Not demanding, just horribly optimized

[near nacelle]

Check out Risk of rain 2 that games pretty fun. Cost money but it a good time killer

[still roost]

Migweegwee#1576 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[near nacelle]

Aw my bad

[desert fox]

@elfin flame aside from that any other suggestions? if i got those would everything else still be suitable

[elfin flame]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9hTfmr

Anyone can mess with this, but you could use Intel's stock cooler

[potent portal]

Pretty much just upgrading the mobo and cpu as rommy suggested would get you modernized, and the GPU is just icing on the cake

[near nacelle]

I'm gonna take a lunch break to let my ozone charge, the battery is wonky and I'm waiting on my replacement. Thanks for the help if your not online when I get back

Phone* not ozone

What

Wtvr

[potent portal]

DYAC

lol happy to help

[near nacelle]

Yuh

[fossil cedar]

id go 12400f +b660 motherboard (exact depends on country) and possibly new gpu, would probably go 6600xt/6700xt

[wind trellis]

which CPU is better 12th gen I7 12700x, 12700f, or ryzen 9 5900?

[mossy venture]

Well, 12700x doesn't exist, but the 12700/k/kf/f perform about the same as a 5900x, but tends to be cheaper. So I would go 12700f if you're not ocing it

[wind trellis]

my bad no x but K

with the intel is the k or f better? I watch a video and they said the k was better cause the k could handle video creations better

[desert gulch]

If it doesn't have an f, it means you get integrated graphics, which you can use to encode/decode things. However, if you don't need Intel Quicksync for productivity, the f is generally much better value

[wind trellis]

cool thank you, will be mostly use for watching videos and gaming

[desert gulch]

Honestly, I'd look in to the 12400(f), since gaming and watching videos won't really take advantage of those extra p and e cores much

[fossil cedar]

12600k(f) if you have the budget imo

[desert gulch]

Doesn't seem like they need ecores tbf

Just an extra $100+

[fossil cedar]

They're nice if they want high end

[wind trellis]

only thing I eat up the most is the ram, game I play is on the internet, I keep multiple browsers open and each one eats 4 gigs of ram

[fossil cedar]

How is bthat possible

[desert gulch]

Gawd damn shawty, how many tabs you got open at a time? 💀

[wind trellis]

running multiply accounts of the same game at same time

sure my ISP not happy either, eating bunch of their bandwidth, use about 2 tb of data each month

[fossil cedar]

2tb of data/month doesn't sound outrageous

[wind trellis]

they use to send me letters in the mail thinking i was pirating or something

may explain why they stopped sending, as the 2tb is normal now to use

[brittle tinsel]

what are the clocks for a 1660 ti? my buddys game keeps crashing after he has installed a 1660 ti and generates no error codes

this is his msi afterburner

this is mine, running a 1060 3gb

there seems to be an issue

I had him reduce the clocks by 100mhz to see if the game would load then and it wouldnt

im not knowledgable at all when it comes to overclocking

I dont even know if his is overclocked

[frigid night]

That isn't overclocked. Try setting the power limit to the max and see if that helps.

[brittle tinsel]

alright, will do. it if helps any, we are trying to play a unreal engine game

he is the only 1 out of 4 of us with an issue

2 of us have 1060 3gb, the other has a 1080ti, the one with issues is the 1660 ti

[frigid night]

Has he updated his drivers?

[brittle tinsel]

yes, we tried that

[frigid night]

Where did you get the drivers?

[brittle tinsel]

geforce experiance

[frigid night]

Is it just a crash to desktop"?

does he have GPU-z installed?

[brittle tinsel]

probably not gpu z

no idea what that is

[frigid night]

Gives all info about gpu

[brittle tinsel]

but the game comes up with a fatal error but no error code

[frigid night]

could yo uhave him download it please?

[brittle tinsel]

yes

not sure if it helps at all but the game is scum

[mossy venture]

any differences in ram?

[brittle tinsel]

me and the 1080 guy have 32 gig ddr4
the other 1060 3gb has 16 ddr3
and the 1660 ti has 16gb ddr4

[stoic island]

Tried rolling back drivers?

Also, stress tests?

Ddu?

[brittle tinsel]

he had issues before we updated drivers too

[mossy venture]

tried verifying game files?

[brittle tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746963823826567228/988581034318762034/slay.gif
clearer image

[brittle tinsel]

done that

said no issues

we have restarted stem

disabled antivirus

updated drivers
downlocked the gpu
increased the power limit, nothing seems to help

increasing the power limit caused it to crash faster is about the only difference

[stoic island]

Did you ddu when you installed new drivers?

[brittle tinsel]

no

[stoic island]

Could also keep GPUz in the background, open the game up, and see what GPUz says perfcapreason is

[mossy venture]

could also try undervolting

[brittle tinsel]

would that make a difference? none of us did that

the ddu

[mossy venture]

its possible

[stoic island]

Would be weird if you needed to undervolt a card at stock to make it stable but have you ruled out PSU as a possible problem?

[mossy venture]

did they buy the card used by chance?

[stoic island]

Ddu might help if the initial driver install was really borked

[mossy venture]

possible someone damaged it somehow

hard to do but ig it isnt impossible

[brittle tinsel]

its a used card

[mossy venture]

which would be why the undervolt might help

[brittle tinsel]

3-5 months use

how far to undervolt?

[mossy venture]

id try just -60 on core -100 mem

[stoic island]

I mean could just lock it to like 950mv and see if it helps before making an effort in undervolting

[mossy venture]

mm

[brittle tinsel]

this here?

we did -100 on both

and it still didnt work

[mossy venture]

ye, or do what mr said

ah

[stoic island]

Open up the curve editor

[mossy venture]

try locking voltage like mr1111 suggested

[stoic island]

might need to enable voltage control in the settings, but on this skin, the editor is here

[brittle tinsel]

I enabled voltage control but I see no difference in options

do they have a voice channel on here that we could screenshare in?

if anyone would be up to helping that ay

if not we can continue this

[stoic island]

click a dot above like 950mv

and then press L

that'll lock it to the spot for now

and then test the game

[brittle tinsel]

didnt work

same issues

FML

OMFG

we fixed

sorry guys

❤️

[frigid night]

what was it?

let us knowww 😛

[brittle tinsel]

so wasnt gpu at all

all we did, was delete the appdata file for the game

it launched right up

[frigid night]

lol nice.

Glad you guys figured it out.

[brittle tinsel]

how do I unlock the voltage now though?

i dont want to leave it voltage locked

[frigid night]

click where it's locked and press delete I think

like delete key

[brittle tinsel]

ok 1 sec

nvm he said you just press L again and it unlocked

I just wasted 2 hours of my life for something as simple as a corrupt save file

[frigid night]

It happens

[near nacelle]

My gpu/final part came in the mail, can I get help installing my psu?

I know the pcie cables and the phat 24 one, but I don't know where the other ones go

[patent oasis]

I ordered a graphics card here and it’s still processing

[potent portal]

No one here has access to the order system

Even the admins.

[patent oasis]

I am just saying

[potent portal]

You could try messaging @fresh garden during business hours

[patent oasis]

Well

Its only been a day but damn

[potent portal]

Oh well yeah it can take a day or three to process

[patent oasis]

They said est delivery date to be Thursday

But its not even shipped yet

[potent portal]

I've ordered things and had them arrive the next day that said 7 day estimate so 🤷‍♂️

[patent oasis]

That only works for Amazon

[potent portal]

It also works if you're close to a warehouse, I'm only a few hundred miles

[near nacelle]

Mk freaking out WAY less now. My 24pin and cpu are the two main ones, not modular

Bottom right is the pcie and bottom left is sata

Does it matter which slot these two go in?

[potent portal]

Nope doesn't matter

That's one of the nice things about modular, you just plug in what you need and can do extra of one thing or another if needed

[near nacelle]

Sweet

[near nacelle]

Mkay so I'm gonna take the psu out and remove the extra seat and the money cable? I don't think I have a control panel unless it's in the case

Sweating waterfalls a bit. Just a bit

First build I'm going, Yeah that's right, that feels right, I dontthinkivemessedupyet

I don't know if I need this one, the one for control switches?

[potent portal]

That's a molex, mostly used on older devices and some fans

[near nacelle]

K then I don't think I have anything for that

I'll keep going

This one goes into the first one that's part of the case then through the storage

[strong raft]

Sata power. The male one is from your fans or w/e. The cable w/ 3-4 sata Connections is for convenience, use any ones.

[near nacelle]

That's cool. Alright putting back the psu

[potent portal]

Often it's the fan or rgb controller and connects to sata power yeah

[near nacelle]

These two cables are the only ones left from the case

Is it for the top here? Tell me if I'm missing something or put something in the wrong port

[potent portal]

Fans

Usually there's more headers along the side or bottom of the board

[near nacelle]

There's two on the bottom labeled sys_fans I'm using one

The one used in the picture is the cpu cooler fan

What is the one next to it, it says cpu opt

[potent portal]

That one should match the CPU fan speed by default but sometimes you can adjust that in bios

[near nacelle]

Should my cpu fan be plugged into that one then?

[potent portal]

Nope

It just matches the cpu fan speed

[near nacelle]

The bottom is for the back fan, sides for the top and the cpu fan on top. There one vacant spot on the bottom

This is prolly why splitter cables were suggested

[potent portal]

Yep

It'll work plugged into cpu opt until you get a splitter though

[near nacelle]

I can just put one of em in the opt for now?

[potent portal]

Yeah for now. It might get annoying if you can't change it's speed so the splitter is still suggested.

[near nacelle]

K thanks, do you have any brand of cable recommended or is it just a general part I could get from anyone

[strong raft]

@near nacelle this cable might go straight to motherboard. "M/B" stands for mobo.

[near nacelle]

Oh okay, the guy in the video about this case just did it and I eyeballed it lol

Let me look for where it goes

I don't see anything for the male, but there's two sets of four prongs on the top

Its got one slot missing just like it

[potent portal]

Yep that's right

Just make sure the missing pin lines up

[strong raft]

Ah, perhaps was a needed adapter or something. Cool. Btw here's a fan splitter if needed. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01EF9OI0O

[near nacelle]

Thanks a ton I'll get it after

The remaining male cable doesn't go into anything?

Says D-rgb fan

[potent portal]

If the fans are connected to each other that's probably just the end of the chain

[near nacelle]

Ah I see, the guy in the video had a different mobo and fans

That's why he used them like he did

[strong raft]

Lot of setups now allow daisy chain, could be what the male cable was for. Can't always copy people who have different mobos and/or cases.

[near nacelle]

So, I'm not sure how to get my gpu in the system, I know how. But the grates on the sides block it from entering

I think I can dismantle that part of the case

Oh nevermind sweet I see the thumbscrews on the side

One moment

LIKE A GLOVE!! WOOOOO

Crisis false

Is this the last thing

[strong raft]

Yea weird cases. My io slot screws are on the "inside". Hmm, perhaps. The monster is nearly alive

[near nacelle]

Wow

Wait what about USB ports on the bottom? Or is it just using the gpu in the back

Sorry the mobo ports

[strong raft]

Monitor? Plugs into gpu in the back, yes

[near nacelle]

Alright

Front and back, fan plugs are temporary until splitter cables

How does it look

Little funky in the bottom left but I used the other storage drive drawer to hide the big gpu chord

I have a USB with windows ready, but I believe I have to hook it up to the monitor and keyboard and mash delete to see if it has everything?

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[snow python]

Building Asus x570 plus Sufi w/ amd 5600G cpu and gskill ddr4 2x8compatible ram.. yellow led light indicated ram problem.. have replaced ram, cpu same problem did one ddr4 at a time with only monitor and keyboard connected, took cmos battery out, even reset cmos … still yellow led light on indicating dram problem… I am in a quandary!! What to do next. Still a blank monitor and yellow led

[potent portal]

Could be a bad board. Highly unlikely it's the CPU.

[snow python]

This is the second board, 1st was a Gigabyte 450 that indicated a bad cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

that's definitely cpu problem

[snow python]

A second replaced cpu?

[obsidian wigeon]

weird

oh wait dram light

i read it wrong lol

in most boards

you're supposed to install two sticks in a2 and b2 slot

[snow python]

You are entitled to make mistakes lol

[obsidian wigeon]

have you tried that?

[snow python]

Did that and even alternated the sticks

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

maybe it might need a bios update

[snow python]

Very frustrating

[obsidian wigeon]

lemme check if the board has flashback

[potent portal]

Oh wait yeah it's B450 you said?

5600g is one of the newest chips, it totally needs a bios flash

[snow python]

X570

[potent portal]

Still probably needs a flash

[obsidian wigeon]

i'd still try updating bios

everything seems to be fine

except bios, maybe

i believe that board does have flashback

it'll have a usb port that says bios

or something relating to that

ezflash for asus

[snow python]

Doesn’t have a flashback button or ezflash

[potent portal]

What bios version does the box say it is?

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/TUF-Gaming/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/

[snow python]

Would have to download bios and install.. can’t do that as I can’t post

[obsidian wigeon]

is this your board?

[snow python]

Yes

[potent portal]

The box for the motherboard will say what version is factory installed

[snow python]

Correct

[potent portal]

You need version 3001 minimum to run that CPU

Which do you have?

[snow python]

I a@m not able to access the bios to even see what current bios is

[potent portal]

It's on the box for the motherboard

[snow python]

I got am blank monitor screen

[obsidian wigeon]

you can check the box

[potent portal]

There's a white label on the box that shows serial number etc, the factory installed bios version is in there

[snow python]

I’ll check the box an get back tomorrow as it is late thanks for the heads up

[desert gulch]

Tuf plus wifi doesn't have flashback, the pro is the one with it

[obsidian wigeon]

rip

yeah i checked

it's stupid imo, considering it's an x570

[desert gulch]

I can confirm since I have one 😄

Yeah, esp with how good that board handles of and everything

The vrms on it are pretty damn good for the money

[obsidian wigeon]

no flashback is just weird

but whatever

[desert gulch]

Yea

[obsidian wigeon]

im sure there's good b550 that has flashback

[desert gulch]

Ironically, b550 plus wifi has flashback

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[potent portal]

B550 is newer tho

[obsidian wigeon]

but true

[desert gulch]

Still, how many other x570 boards don't have flashback?

[potent portal]

Let me check the assrock website and get back with a count

[obsidian wigeon]

what's going on?

Um

Well something in it is fried

[potent portal]

Likely the PSU

Start with specs, including model names

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

Huh, a laptop

[potent portal]

Ooh boy

[obsidian wigeon]

Well it's toast

[desert gulch]

What settings

[potent portal]

Yeah there's no saving that, everything is all on one board

[obsidian wigeon]

Where did the smoke come from?

[desert gulch]

Cause bios is typically fairly locked down

[obsidian wigeon]

yeeeeah

It's dead

Something got toasted

In a laptop it could mean the board is fried beyond repair

[still roost]

BeanBoy#6837 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[potent portal]

Link doesn't seem to work for me

[obsidian wigeon]

Or it could be fixable

Depending on severity

[desert gulch]

Never heard of that site

[obsidian wigeon]

But it'll need soldering work for sure

[still roost]

BeanBoy#6837 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

BeanBoy#6837 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[obsidian wigeon]

rip

[potent portal]

rip

[obsidian wigeon]

well

[potent portal]

Can't blame him too much though lol

[obsidian wigeon]

i guess that's fair

his laptop just died

[dusky hearth]

rip

if it is still under warrenty, try to RMA it i guess

[obsidian wigeon]

a power surge might've happened

or something

[potent portal]

You can pop it open and hope that it's just the battery trying to kill you, that's replaceable. It would be malformed.

[obsidian wigeon]

well

consoles can die like that too if your luck happens to run out

just saying

it's unfortunate that this happened to you

is the laptop still under warranty?

good

get it rma'd

contact acer

[potent portal]

There's that at least

[obsidian wigeon]

then they'll send you another laptop in, or fix it

[potent portal]

What luck though

Let's not talk about threats like that

[obsidian wigeon]

at least you're covered with warranty tbh

stuff like these are simply unfortunate

that's why warranty exists

it's good that it didn't kill you tho lol

could be much worse

[potent portal]

Embeds don't work until you get a green name

https://tenor.com/view/dhar-mann-merobloxnoob-merobloxnoob-dhar-mann-hey-merobloxnoob-fam-hey-dhar-mann-fam-gif-22334200

[near nacelle]

I finished building the PC and it turned on for a bit, and now I can't turn it on??

I hear the battery and the fan running, what's up

[potent portal]

Might need to clear cmos and/or update bios

[near nacelle]

How do I do that

I need to put in the windows install

Or is it the clear little button on the mobo

[potent portal]

With it off and plugged in you can press and hold that cmos button on the board for 10 seconds and it should clear

[obsidian wigeon]

^

or physically remove the cmos batt if there's no such buttons

might need to take gpu out if it's placed under there

[near nacelle]

I have a clear button and just held it

Turning it on again

Naw it's not working, what is the cmos battery

[obsidian wigeon]

it's a little coin battery

[near nacelle]

I see that

[potent portal]

Flat little battery, hangs out around the GPU area

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[obsidian wigeon]

that's the one

you press onto the metal tab and it'll pop out

[near nacelle]

Mk so PC switch is OFF, still plugged in, then I take it out

Put back in

[obsidian wigeon]

take it out for 10 sec

then put it back on

[potent portal]

5 minutes more like

And hold the power button with it out too for 10 seconds

[near nacelle]

Perfect, Alexa play demons and repeat once

I can plug it in on the second climax

[obsidian wigeon]

lol

[near nacelle]

Good song. I have a special demons moment

Friend has a "sad feelings" playlist in middleschool and I knew their password. While they went to the restroom I added 30 some instances of DEMONS to it👌

And I couldn't stop laughing like a psychopath in the classroom when they got back and I was sent to the office

Physically couldn't stop myself from laughing. They came to me later freaking out about why every other song or ad break went to Demons, and every radio thing they made would go to demons, too!

Alright breaks over I'm putting it back in

Do I have to wait for it to charge or something?

The fans flash every time I turn it on and then it's static

fan whirring from the psu

God I hope I didn't break something

[potent portal]

Possibly needs a bios update, or it's stuck on a post code

[near nacelle]

Do I have to bring it in to somebody

Worse case scenario there's a tech troubleshooting place I have to make an appointment with for them to check it our

[potent portal]

You have Q-flash so you don't even need to have a running system to flash it

[near nacelle]

I'll look up a tutorial on it

[potent portal]

Here's your latest bios https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/BIOS/mb_bios_b660-gaming-x-ddr4_f5a.zip?v=ca3c9bc076824dd6d3ea57f17a00a076

[near nacelle]

Thanks. I only have one flash drive available to me rn, so I'm going to delete the windows installer I put on it to do the bios first

[potent portal]

You can have both on there

[near nacelle]

Oh ok

The guy in the video I'm watching Says to drag an F file he has

It's the big one b660

[potent portal]

Whatever letter your USB is use that

[near nacelle]

Just that file that says b660

It's in there now

[frank stirrup]

you will need to rename it

[near nacelle]

The usb

[frank stirrup]

the file

on the usb

the usb just has to be fat32 mbr

[near nacelle]

K I did that part, I rename it to something

[frank stirrup]

what did u rename it to?

[frank stirrup]

make sure its using mbr not gpt btw

just formatting to fat32 doesnt change gpt to mbr

[near nacelle]

Oh I forgot the question mark as iI, what do I rename it to. The guy in the video has his monitor working

[frank stirrup]

GIGABYTE.bin

[near nacelle]

Says if I change it to bin it might not be usable. That's fine right since it's for the mobo

[frank stirrup]

just windows being windows

[frank stirrup]

btw check this

I had many problems with my gigabyte board not reading bios from gpt fat32 flash drive

read it first time from mbr drive

[near nacelle]

I'm slightly confused but I'm gonna try to understand best I can. Changing it to fat32 is not enough I have to do something else?

[frank stirrup]

yes

open disk management

[near nacelle]

Can you walk me through that

[frank stirrup]

windows key + r, type in diskmgmt.msc, hit enter

[near nacelle]

Okay

I'm here now

[frank stirrup]

ok scroll till u find ur flash drive

in the bottom part with the bars

[near nacelle]

Found it

Double clicking it

[frank stirrup]

dont

[near nacelle]

K

[frank stirrup]

if thats ur flash drive right click on the circled portion

then click properties

[near nacelle]

Okay

[frank stirrup]

in the popup go to volumes tab

[near nacelle]

K

[frank stirrup]

send screenshot

[frank stirrup]

already using mbr

great

[near nacelle]

Alright then

All these tutorials have their monitors and stuff working, I'm not sure what's next

I need to sleep, ill get back on this tomorrow. Thanks for getting me this far it means a lot

[frigid night]

Yay or nay?

I know a bit off center on the top, but I needed a bit of room for the Webcam.

I tried it on top of the 27" but I don't like looking at my balding head.

[little osprey]

Yay

I used to have my monitors like that as well

Was quite nice aesthetically

But i never found a good use for the top monitor so back on the side it went

[errant fiber]

yeah i prefer side for sure

[analog pulsar]

i need to do this but i need monitor arm first

[glad robin]

@errant fiber i put my pc under my desk

[little osprey]

my monitor arm was like $50

[frigid night]

My monitor arm was.. $50, but I got a $50 newegg gift card for buying it and then spent it on a monitor.

[near nacelle]

Hi im back. Yesterday I downloaded the bios update and double checked it was on mbr. Im suppost to use Q-flash my mobo has to update it since I cant get it to turn on? ill post pictures if needed

[bold prism]

Anyone know if ducky or xtrfy are good websites to get custom keyboards?

And any others that you would recommend. Looking for 60-75% keyboards

[half iron]

What is a really good monitor but really cheap

[potent portal]

Define cheap

Cheap to me is probably not the same as cheap to you

[half iron]

Like lower then 200

[fossil cedar]

Gigabyte g24f, msi g241/ g242

Indood

[errant fiber]

keychron

you can take a look at the k2

[bold prism]

Thanks

[near nacelle]

I transfered the file and renamed it, the system is Fat32 MBR

Is there anything else I need to do before I put it in?

[frank stirrup]

no

[near nacelle]

And I don't have to take part anything I can just plug it into the white USB port and hit the clear button on the bottom here:

The psu should be Off, but still plugged in. I just press the clear button

Trying to make sure I do this right

Wait oh God I wasn't looking there's a second button by the disk battery was I supposed to hit that one the whole time

Oh it says Qflash on the one I'd been pressing and rst_sw on the other

[potent portal]

Qflash is the one to flash the bios version yeah

[near nacelle]

Alright so I turned power on and I need to gold that qflash button for 10 seconds

[potent portal]

Nope power off

Power switch on, but the system should be off

[near nacelle]

K the switch is on and the psu whan is whirring, the PC itself isn't on

The Ffan

[potent portal]

If your USB has a light you should see it flashing, otherwise it should shut off when it's done

[near nacelle]

It's got no light, I'll just press the qflash Hutton and wait

[untold vessel]

Everyone, what's your opinion on the best-for-price* RAM Mhz for gaming?

[potent portal]

Depends on the processor used

And if you mean "best" or "best for the price"

[untold vessel]

3600Mhz CL 16 at $142.99 VS 3200Mhz CL 16 at $105.99

is +400Mhz justification for a ~$40.00 increase

[potent portal]

Which processor though?

[untold vessel]

I've heard from multiple RAM guides that the difference between the two is negligible in terms of gaming

[untold vessel]

i5-12400F

[potent portal]

$125 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

[untold vessel]

wait eh

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kXbkcf/gskill-memory-f43200c16d32gvk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

[potent portal]

It's not a huge difference in performance like you said but it can be noticeable sometimes, especially in high refresh rate games you'll get more stable 1% lows

[untold vessel]

Oh max I'll be doing is 60fps

Games for this build are Minecraft and occasional RDR2 Story Mode in 4K just for the looks

[potent portal]

3600 has been more expensive than 4000 lately because AMD processors generally don't like to go above 3800 without a huge latency penalty and a lot of tuning

[untold vessel]

Jeez, I see

[desert gulch]

3600 is also what all the tech YouTubers seem to reccomend 😛

3600cl16

[untold vessel]

With this in mind, however, is the $30 more worth the difference?

[desert gulch]

So may as well capitalize on that

[potent portal]

That too. It's just easier to run, and it was really cheap when ballistix was still around

[desert gulch]

BallStix

[formal girder]

[potent portal]

Personally yes I feel the $30 is worth it

[untold vessel]

What's the difference between CL and MHZ truly

I never really got a grasp on that too much

Which is truly more important

[desert gulch]

Mhz is speed and cl is latency

[formal girder]

Mhz is frequency and cl is latency

[desert gulch]

So cl is like your "lag" I guess you could say

[untold vessel]

Ah

I see

[potent portal]

(tCL x 2000)/frequency

You want that number as low as possible generally

[untold vessel]

Well then how does 3600MHZ CL16 and 3600MHZ CL14 have a $200 difference

Just how important is CL really

[desert gulch]

This is a great chart for sorting it all out

[potent portal]

CAS latency affects literally every aspect of the memory, it sets how long the memory has to wait before doing anything

[untold vessel]

Holy crap this is the holy information grail

[formal girder]

When is the upcoming DDR5 version of the chart

[potent portal]

As soon as there's DDR5 worth charting

[untold vessel]

hold on

[potent portal]

3600 c14 is going to be b-die, the best overclocking memory around

[untold vessel]

3600 CL16 beats out 4000 CL18 by a hair

[untold vessel]

What is B-die?

Is that a tier list term

[potent portal]

Samsung's top tier memory die

[formal girder]

Memory modules on the ram

[potent portal]

They just overclock really well, whenever you see people running crazy timings like 4400 c14 that's b-die

[untold vessel]

Is it worth saving $20 to lose 0.11 ns of time

[potent portal]

On a 12400 yes

[untold vessel]

I see

[untold vessel]

How do CPUs play into these equations?

[potent portal]

Higher tier CPUs are generally able to take advantage of higher bandwidth

While lower tier CPUs won't use as much of it

12400 is very midrange in that

[untold vessel]

I see

Would a 3060ti be wasted on a 12400F

[potent portal]

Not at all

The 12400f could easily keep up with a 3090 ti at 1440p