building-and-recc-chat

[dapper crypt]

ok i have some faith nowww

in the reviews they got ASUS motherboards so idk

[cyan ravine]

Ok this is an actual problem

[potent portal]

Right? Pretty sure 12700 doesn't come with a stock cooler

[desert gulch]

it does

[dapper crypt]

it does :(

can i send the link

[desert gulch]

hell, even the 12900 come with a stock cooler

[cyan ravine]

Regardless yeeting a 12700 on any stock cooler is gonna leave you throttling all day

[desert gulch]

only the k skus dont get them

[cyan ravine]

Yeah please do

[dapper crypt]

really the k's suck?

[cyan ravine]

No

[dapper crypt]

OH

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-000Z-000D3?Item=9SIA08CJCZ1767&quicklink=true

[desert gulch]

they assume youll need more cooling than stock

so they dont include a cooler

[dapper crypt]

damn

I did some FBI work for the motherboard shown in the picture :D

[potent portal]

You're going to be slamming that CPU against the thermal limits frequently with a stock cooler, which will reduce performance.

[coarse coral]

[desert gulch]

looks like a stock image

[dapper crypt]

so should i get another cooler?

[cyan ravine]

That's a ddr4 board

[dapper crypt]

oh just a stock image?

[desert gulch]

that looks to be a 3060 in the picture

[cyan ravine]

That's not an asrock d5

It's 3200 C16

[dapper crypt]

HOW THE HECK DO YOU KNOW

[desert gulch]

i havent seen a 1x8 pcie pin 3070

[dapper crypt]

I SO CONFUISED

[coarse coral]

What's a good low watt CPU with integrated graphics

[desert gulch]

5600g

[dapper crypt]

oh god ok so this isn't the motherboard

[coarse coral]

Anything cheaper?

[desert gulch]

uhh

[cyan ravine]

12100

[desert gulch]

what type of igp do you want?

12100 is like $130

[cyan ravine]

I was kinda meming lol

[desert gulch]

i mean, its not a bad option

[coarse coral]

I just need it to be able to run hd videos

[desert gulch]

12100 would work then

so your 3080ti cant run that crap? damn bro

[dapper crypt]

so is that an ok pc D:

[potent portal]

Well for the price I could have made you a 6900 XT list of parts

[dapper crypt]

My pc is mostly for cybersecurity and light gaming , but yeah i regret my decision to prebuild

[desert gulch]

cybersecurity?

[dapper crypt]

or school

idk

vms

[cyan ravine]

What concerns me is they don't list the cooler anywhere

[dapper crypt]

minecraft val

RIGHT

[desert gulch]

comes with a stock one

[dapper crypt]

they dont list motherboard or cooler and don't specify a lot of the stuff and im like ahh

oh right

STOCK

[desert gulch]

its a stock cooler...

[cyan ravine]

I don't see that written anywhere tho unless I'm missing it

[sharp temple]

Didn't the stock get better?

[dapper crypt]

how much fps do oyou think it can run for minecraft

lmAO

[potent portal]

The power limit went up a lot too, and no more Tau period so infinite boost (unless it's actually the Asrock that artificially limits it)

[potent portal]

Probably because I don't know of any 3070 that uses a single 8 pin power connector

[cyan ravine]

It's not listed anywhere, yeah it's gotta be a stock cooler

They would itemise it if it had something

[potent portal]

The cooler in the pic looks like a V5 or something with a "custom" fan, which would be almost as bad. 4 heat pipes on a 12700 ☠️

[cyan ravine]

Pretty much yeah

650W too low for 3070 and 12700?

[potent portal]

Probably fine

[cyan ravine]

Must be borderline tho

[potent portal]

What worries me is the generic "gold"

[cyan ravine]

Yeah exactly

[potent portal]

Could be a D or E tier that just won't handle the load for very long

[cyan ravine]

There's a lot here that makes me ask about the return window

[desert gulch]

id be grateful for that

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-000Z-000D3?Item=9SIA08CJCZ1767&quicklink=true

look at every single customer picture

every single one got a stock cooler

hi theo

[coarse coral]

Is wraith cooler enough for vr gaming

[desert gulch]

on what cpu 😳

[vague oracle]

Is this good for VR gaming?

[south cliff]

just a heatsink?

[vague oracle]

Passive cooler

[desert gulch]

nh-p1

[vague oracle]

The Noctua NH-P1

Is it any good?

[desert gulch]

iirc itll handle like a 5600zx

x

not a super great cooler in terms of perf, but for passive, its great

[vague oracle]

Maybe I should slap it on my 3080

[desert gulch]

💀

better than a ventus 👀

[vague oracle]

Probably a massive downgrade over a FTW3 ultra

[desert gulch]

oh yeah for sure

[vague oracle]

Hmm, maybe a freezer II 420 on a 3080 would be a good idea

Then mount a case fan onto the GPU to cool the rest of it

Probably would need to machine my own mounting bracket tho

could be a cool project

[desert gulch]

yea

[cyan ravine]

Those are all 10400f

And 3060's lol

(Popular choice for a good reason)

I'm still gonna assume stock cooler though

[desert gulch]

not super confidence inspiring

[cyan ravine]

No it's not

[vague oracle]

What’s the chance of me screwing up my GPU by trying to cool it with a CPU AIO?

Only thing I can think of is cracking the die with too much mounting pressure

[cyan ravine]

On a 3080 they have alphacool aio's

[desert gulch]

💀

[cyan ravine]

Something a bit more proper

[desert gulch]

yeah theyd have no issues throwing a stock on a 12700f then

[cyan ravine]

I can't remember anyone trying a kraken g12 style aio on a 3080 in my memory

Suppose if you had a heatsink for the g6x you could if it fit

[potent portal]

30 series doesn't have a universal bracket so AIO is really hard to do without custom building one

[vague oracle]

I would be custom building a bracket

[cyan ravine]

Which 3080?

[vague oracle]

Because I kinda want to try out how that VRM fan would affect cooling the G6X

FTW3 ultra 12Gb

[cyan ravine]

Hybrid kit exists lol

[vague oracle]

What’s the fun in that tho?

[potent portal]

You can get those mini heatsinks to put on VRMs and memory

[cyan ravine]

I have nothing else to say then lol

[vague oracle]

That’s what I was thinking, putting those on and using the VRM fan to somewhat help dissipate the heat

[cyan ravine]

Idk how effective that would be, would be interesting to try though

[frigid night]

@south cliff what case is that?

[vague oracle]

I feel like the core would be nice and chilly tho

[cyan ravine]

They're like 10W each chip right?

[south cliff]

DIYPC IDX6-BK-RGB

[potent portal]

Try 2.5W

[cyan ravine]

Oh ok

[frigid night]

that's cool that the IO is on the side like that

[potent portal]

Just for giggles to compare what you could get for the $1700 prebuilt price... https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RWGL78

[desert gulch]

and thatll SMOKE that prebuilt in basically every game

[potent portal]

Not just "basically" any game, literally any game

[desert gulch]

yeah

[south cliff]

yeah thats why i got it

[dapper crypt]

Damn it dude 😭

[dapper crypt]

Oh is that good

[potent portal]

Very. 6900 XT is one of the best GPUs you can buy right now, and that's one of the better models. 12400 is still more than capable of running any game at its best speed.

[cyan ravine]

A lot better

[potent portal]

Plus you can still use Windows 10 that way

[still roost]

meg#9767 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[south cliff]

Is this good score?

[dapper crypt]

Holy heck

Damn it :(((

[south cliff]

what?

[cyan ravine]

You could always return it meg, when it turns up

[dapper crypt]

Should I buy that instead and return this one 😭😭😭

[dapper crypt]

I just returned another pc today 💀🫡

[south cliff]

what did you get?

[cyan ravine]

If you can build one, fal'cie's list is really good

[potent portal]

Skytech prebuilt 🪦

[south cliff]

oh nooo

[dapper crypt]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-000Z-000D3?Item=9SIA08CJCZ1767&quicklink=true

[south cliff]

i used to want one of those when io was in 6th grade

[cyan ravine]

You can also go a little more extreme with that list and fit a 6950XT if you really want to stretch that 1700 budget to the limit

[dapper crypt]

yeah i'll definitely look into it

[dapper crypt]

yeah

[south cliff]

i mean its good bu i got my 12600k 6700xt build for 1100

but i also built mine

[restive halo]

I got it fixed and I got it to post. But it will only allow me to use the last 2 ram slots??

[south cliff]

prob broken slots

[dapper crypt]

can i boost it to an i7?

[high yew]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/wvillain/saved/#view=s64JnQ
only thing i don’t have in here is a cpu and a mobo as im unsure what the best budget gaming cpu and mobo is
he doesn’t care to go intel or amd, whichever is better bang for buck
my buddy was gonna build a separate build we had planned for around 2k CAD, however plans didn’t work out and we gotta cut the budget down about $800. 1200-1300 CAD is the max budget that he can shoot for AFTER TAXES. so final price as to be under $1300 CAD. everything i have on there rn is a cheap ballpark price with some half decent specs (i think) however with any suggestions or changes feel free to change the pcpp list and send it back to me

[south cliff]

dont get 1660 super

and your overpaying on case

[high yew]

well w gpu prices esp in canada rn, i don’t think i’ll be able to get a 30 series card with a $1300. 4000d airflow at best buy is 114.99 + tax

just left it on amazon

[south cliff]

get a amd card

[high yew]

very well could

[south cliff]

6600xt-6700xt

[potent portal]

If you wanted, either by spending more now on the 12700 or by upgrading later

You could drop back a tier on GPU but... then you lose fps

[high yew]

he doesn’t want to get a lot of frames, just wants to have a good gaming experience

[south cliff]

well that doesent gie us alot

[high yew]

i was thinking amd for cpu as they are cheap rn in cad

amd for card as well maybe but

[south cliff]

get 6600xt

or 6600

its destorys 1660 super

[high yew]

5600x a good cpu?

[south cliff]

yes and for gamin

[high yew]

264 in cad

[south cliff]

well thats a little over priced

[high yew]

it’s cad, everything’s overpriced

inflation rn for us is disgusting

$30 for smokies at the damn store

[south cliff]

get the 12400f

[high yew]

i was just thinking abt that

[south cliff]

better and or same performance in some games and its only 228

in cad

[high yew]

$250 after taxes and shipping

[south cliff]

better than 264

[high yew]

gigabyte b660x ax for mobo?

that’s the board i have and i’ve had no complaints

199.99

[south cliff]

why getting that?

do you alrady have it?

[high yew]

i have it myself yes, but build is for buddy

[south cliff]

no point in gertting it when getting a 12400f

overkill

[high yew]

fair

[south cliff]

find someting cheaper in the b660

[obsidian wigeon]

msi b660m-g would do fine

[south cliff]

yes

[flat basin]

Should I go for the 5900x discount? or the 5800x?

and which part should i buy first? MSI MEG B550 Unify Gaming Motherboard or the cpu xD im debating rn

[south cliff]

buy cpu first you might lose daeal

[flat basin]

both are on sale which is why im hesitant xD

[south cliff]

i think you should get the 5900x how much is it

[flat basin]

395.99

[south cliff]

well buy cpu its more expensive

[high yew]

for a $20 diff i think the gigabyte one would be better no? future proof for upgrade capability as well

[obsidian wigeon]

uh, well

not really tbh

but if you really want to

[flat basin]

alr. Is there any notice on when the mobo discounts will end on amazon? cuz ii hope it lasts until next friday

[high yew]

$20 diff imo, i’ll keep the msi one in mind for sure tho thank you

[flat basin]

And i just want to make sure will the Msi MEG B550 unify work with a 5900x? some are confusing like saying 4000 and 5000 series ready then literally says "not compatible with these cpu's and etc"

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

it's just a false positive on pcpp lol

and most b550 boards has flashback

so if the bios didn't come updated

you can update without even needing cpu

just plug power supply in and you're good to update the bios on board with flashback

[flat basin]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Q2685ZN/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A2SNQ4AQTVSAXZ&psc=1 So does this have the flashback or nah

[obsidian wigeon]

the unify does have it

[flat basin]

okie

good

Change of plans. Had to get the mobo. Said 14 left in stock. Not taking any chances. Especially when i wanted the Z690 carbon for amd but it went out of stock instantly once it was on sale 😭

[south cliff]

well one of my extition cords just blew up

[potent portal]

Guess it wasn't rated for the amperage your new GPU adds

[south cliff]

no my pc is conected to its own outlety

it was just an extition cord \

that didnt have anything on it

[potent portal]

Weird

[south cliff]

but i just unpluged it and shut everything off

and turned it back on

[jagged ember]

ded

[mossy venture]

Unless you already have an amd mobo, get a 12700f

I dont feel like scrolling up to read the rest

[flat basin]

nah. im switching over to amd xD. I like their smart cache feature plus its long term as well.

[mossy venture]

... that's not how performance works but ok

[flat basin]

They're good for creating and im trying to create.

[mossy venture]

12700f is $85 cheaper and performs the same

[jagged ember]

yeah that's called futureproofing

in other words, the f word

because it's dumb and pointless

[mossy venture]

It isn't even "futureproofing" though

[jagged ember]

remember the fx series and how it was the first to have like 6 cores?

[mossy venture]

It's the opposite actually

[jagged ember]

how'd that turn out for amd?

[mossy venture]

12700f atleast has a slight upgrade path with 13900

Will never understand where people get the idea that amd is better than intel or vice versa

[jagged ember]

amd best for gaming

how dare you say otherwise

die

[mossy venture]

Oh

[jagged ember]

intel trash bro

[mossy venture]

I'm tired and forgot who I was talking to

[jagged ember]

lmao

[mossy venture]

It's my finals week I want to die

[flat basin]

meh. a PC is a PC. im not big on specifics. Just what is compatible and can get me through for 3-4 years until i upgrade to the 7000 series. Im not going for next gen anyways cuz why would i pay so much when i can wait a few years and get it cheaper. I mean look at the 5000 series discounts rn.

[mossy venture]

I have pre calc and history tmrw

[mossy venture]

7000 series will be old by then

Also

12700f is literally $85 cheaper than the 5900x

And performs nearly the exact same, if not slightly better

[jagged ember]

trash

[mossy venture]

And can run on a $140 b660

[jagged ember]

how dare you suggest information that's verifiably and objectively true

[mossy venture]

5000 series being marked down means nothing when they're still overpriced compared to intel counterparts

[jagged ember]

they're still more expensive than the competition lol

[flat basin]

thats fine. and it will still be powerful as well. Its not a big difference. Look at 12900k and 13900k leaks. Its a tad faster but not by a lot. just the few 15-20% performance increase just makes the viewers jaws drop but not me cuz both can get u by just fine.

[mossy venture]

It's like saying I'll buy this 3090 ti for $1800 instead of this 3080 12gb for $900, since the 3090 ti is on sale

They game so similarly you wouldn't notice a difference

[jagged ember]

you really expect amd to get more performance boost?

[mossy venture]

This is making my soul hurt

I'm out

[jagged ember]

15-20% is literally industry standard

[mossy venture]

It's a one piece enjoyer idk what we were thinking

[jagged ember]

lol

it's a green name

[mossy venture]

That is a joke, luffy

[jagged ember]

idk what we were thinking indeed

[mossy venture]

Idfc what animes you like

[jagged ember]

that was not

[mossy venture]

I think ima order the clc 280 tmrw night

[flat basin]

Lol. just basically i dont care. I need a pc that's gonna get me by for a few years lmfao.

[mossy venture]

And im still debating if I just want to rebuild now

[mossy venture]

👍

Me when ignore the entire conversation

[jagged ember]

lol

[mossy venture]

Do what you want

I'm done wasting words

[jagged ember]

it do be your money, I guess

if u wanna waste it

[mossy venture]

I think I'm going to end up just grabbing a 5700x/5800x3d used when next gen drops, so I'll be keeping my mobo

[flat basin]

also im going to add that why would i get a 12th gen intel cpu when possibly a 13th gen i5 or i7 would run the same as a i9? Im just going to wait a few gens until i upgrade again lol

[mossy venture]

So I think I'm going to rebuild soon

[mossy venture]

Your logic is hurting me on a physical level

"Why buy this less expensive thing that performs the exact same instead if this more expensive thing that does the exact same stuff thr same way but is red, when I'll just upgrade in 3 years"

Sorry if I'm coming off as rude

As I said, do what you want

[flat basin]

nah its all good. Im open minded xD i see what ur saying. But I just like AMD better. Even tho i never had a amd cpu before. ima just do my experiments

[mossy venture]

You've made it clear nothing will change your mind, you seem dead set on and

[mossy venture]

There's no difference aside from intel being lga

Meaning pins are on intel mobos, pins are on amd cpus

Soon to be changing with 7000 series

[flat basin]

i watched a bunch of videos as well and amd just catches my eye better due to the amount of creativity you can do i suppose

[mossy venture]

Which kinda sucks, since the pins can be broken easier on amd

[mossy venture]

A cpu is a cpu, brand doesn't change that

Aside from E cores having some issues with some very specific productivity tasks

Such as virtual machines

But then you'd be looking at a 5950x or thread ripper system

Alr, I'm out now. I need to sleep

I'd rather not fail my exams tmrw

[jagged ember]

you slumber, a cucumber

[flat basin]

then whats up with the Smart cache that'll make ur games run faster if u have a amd cpu and gpu? I mean that sounds nice to me. Tbh i dont mind how a game looks sometimes but i'd honestly love to run 4k games on FSR 2.0 at 100+ fps rather than high 60-80

[jagged ember]

3000 series also supports SAM or whatever they call it

so

[mossy venture]

That's a marketing ploy

[jagged ember]

moot point

[flat basin]

go ahead. I'm just here living

[mossy venture]

And as of right now fsr isn't implemented into games, and 4k gaming is kind of a meme

[jagged ember]

both are true

dlss is way more common

[mossy venture]

Also, cpu is not very important in 4k gaming

A 3600 and 3090 would do fine together for 4k lol

[flat basin]

understandable. 4k gaming is something i've never seen even tho i have a 4k monitor. just my gpu cant handle that rn

[jagged ember]

the gpu is the limiting factor at 4k

[mossy venture]

Or 6900xt

[jagged ember]

cpu will be just fine

go slumber

[mossy venture]

3600 and 3080 fine at 1440p

[jagged ember]

or die

[flat basin]

I also need the cpu for creating as well. Im trying to do blender, premeire pro, after effects. etc.

[jagged ember]

then SAM won't matter, will it?

it'll be dependent on pure cpu performance

in which case, we already made our point

[still roost]

Luffyy#9999 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[flat basin]

damn

[jagged ember]

rip

[flat basin]

I was saying SAM is good to use for gaming. I know u guys say its a marketing scheme but at least AMD is trying to be innovative and tries to back up what they say. Unlike intel with their gpu's. I mean they look like doodoo so far xD

[jagged ember]

lol what kinda straw man you pulling

that's not relevant to the point of you just need a cpu that can run CPU intensive tasks

and choosing a product solely because you like the company is not a smart use of money

cough Teslacough

[flat basin]

I mean i'll see for myself. I've watched tons of videos and i've wanted Intel trust me and it shocked me that intel came back. But I just probably need a breath of fresh air xD.

[jagged ember]

okay, I sleep

[flat basin]

I guess i'll create my own cpu then

[jagged ember]

but, nvidia is my friend

[flat basin]

ya they woulda had my money but ima be stupid and risky. I mean i already got the MSI unify board so meh gotta commit at this point

[jagged ember]

i know someone who works there so therefore I am friends with the company

okay bye

[flat basin]

see ya. gn

[frank stirrup]

I thought i was ur friend

:(

[frank stirrup]

Sam is good yes.

[flat basin]

Lool

[restive halo]

Is there something in the bios or anything I can do to make these 2 ram slots work?

[potent portal]

Which 2 slots are you talking about?

Because if you mean you're trying to add 2 more sticks to your current 2 sticks that can be tricky, especially if they're different dies.

[mossy venture]

@fossil cedar turns out my mobo doesnt have vrm sensors lmao

asrock moment

[jade forge]

I7 4790k vs i9 9900k which would you prefer?

[mossy venture]

do you need this to be answered

[jade forge]

Over kill build just for my brother to join us

[mossy venture]

whats the total budget

and what country do you live in

9900k not good to buy new

and if gaming not good to buy at all

gets slapped around by the 12400 in gaming

[jade forge]

Just a cheap little rocket league machine and trying to do something different already have i3 10100 and i5 10600 on intels side

[winter marsh]

@jade forge Look I bought a I7 4790K and planted it on a Asus Z97 Sabertooth S and it's so slow and unresponsive I don't even bother to boot it up

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-SABERTOOTH-Z97-MARK-Motherboard/dp/B00QV13LVW

[strong raft]

Troll lvl info tbh. I've had a 3550 & 3770 for a while (not like I'd say get a 3rd/4th gen obv. Was pleased w/ both. I'd aim for 12400, 11400, 10400 though depending on total pricing of each setup. Pre-10gen possibly not worth getting.

[winter marsh]

It works fine for Roblox I imagine, was gonna re case it and pass it on to a seven year old.

[strong raft]

Nice Strix 1070 (I think). Yea fairly decent for 1080p. Hopefully no hdd in there.

[mossy venture]

^^

even if ssd is boot, if its a dying hdd it would cause issues

[winter marsh]

it's a Strix 1060, but a good eye just the same

And operates on a 1 TB SSD, but I'll dump a old 1 TB HD in it for the brats along with Win7

[strong raft]

Nice. Pass on Win7, and I'm who used until about 8months ago.

[winter marsh]

Well they are 7 years old, I suspect the Z97 will have a shorter lifespan then the Retro SNES I gave em, which was about 90 days so its gonna end up as recycled parts

This was to be the kids case https://www.amazon.com/DIYPC-Solo-T2-R-Gaming-Computer-Pre-Installed/dp/B091TCF9GL

or this https://www.zoro.com/diypc-diypc-diy-bg01-usb-30-atx-mid-tower-gaming-computer-case-with-pre-installed-3-x-120-mm-fans-black-diy-bg01/i/G703929438/

Something with no top mounted fans and little or no side panels

[winter marsh]

Time to sleep and wake up to my new Lian this afternoon

[fossil cedar]

Really?

[mossy venture]

ye

asrock moment

[fossil cedar]

Bruh, you are checking under motherboard in hwinfo64 right? Just wanna make sure if so big assuck moment

[hazy notch]

hey im wanting to get a case that will fit a good 420mm AIO what should i get, money is irrelivent

or a good 360mm

[potent portal]

P500a supports 420mm on the front

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LVQfrH/phanteks-eclipse-p500a-d-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec500atg_dbk01

[mossy venture]

Yeah

Also aida64 engineer version

[mossy venture]

P500a or 5000d airflow

[hazy notch]

ok ok thank you

[potent portal]

5000D is only 360mm

[frigid night]

Can confirm.

[mossy venture]

Oh oof

[mossy venture]

Looking at reviews/what people have said, 5800x on this board is a terrible idea

Even a 5700x on it would be pushing it

I'll just leave this build mostly in tact and either give it to a family member or sell it

[tough jungle]

Define 7, Meshify 2, P500A, Silent Base 802, P600S, Enthoo pro 2, Torrent, HAF 700, 7000D/7000X all fit 420mm

[mossy venture]

I was wrong about the 5000d airflow

Luke this isn't psus you can't know anything about cases

Not allowed

[tough jungle]

oh, okay

I don't know then

[mossy venture]

Good

[hazy notch]

hmm?

[mossy venture]

Nothing, just messing with Luke

[hazy notch]

and then for the actual cooler i was thinking about going with the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II

thoughts on that?

[mossy venture]

Lf2 great aio

What cpu are you cooling?

[hazy notch]

ryzen 9 5950x

and im going to get am5 when it comes out

[mossy venture]

360mm would do the job, especially if you don't plan to overclock

[potent portal]

360mm would be plenty unless you plan to overclock hardcore, like 250W+

[hazy notch]

no i don't plan on overclocking but I'm very worried about temps

[potent portal]

Do you live in a desert?

[hazy notch]

no but my house is 90F

[potent portal]

Then 360 is more than enough

[hazy notch]

ok ok

[mossy venture]

What are you using the pc for?

[potent portal]

280 is even enough for that at stock, 360 is the extra headroom you wanted. If you want to spend the extra on 420 that's your choice to make.

[mossy venture]

Tbf, 420 lf2 is only like 15 more than the 360

[hazy notch]

ok so if i went to a threadripper 3rd gen

[potent portal]

But also requires a bigger case

[mossy venture]

You don't want to

Trust me

[hazy notch]

why lol

[mossy venture]

Well

[potent portal]

Then you'd need a new cooler, because the TR4 socket is not compatible

[hazy notch]

yes i know

[mossy venture]

Unless you want 16 channel memory and or the extra pcie lanes

[hazy notch]

im wanting to upgrade

[mossy venture]

What are you using the pc for

[hazy notch]

games

[mossy venture]

...

[hazy notch]

...

[mossy venture]

Thread rippers are not gaming cpus

[hazy notch]

ik

but

64 cores go brrr

[mossy venture]

3995wx games similarly to a 5600

Or worse in most cases

[potent portal]

Threadripper 3970X gets wrecked in games by the 5600X

[edgy viper]

3995wx games like a 3600x

[mossy venture]

Just because you have money to throw around doesn't mean it helps

Just get a 12900k and be done with it

[potent portal]

Yep. And with a 12900k you'll have a reason to go for that 420mm too.

[mossy venture]

I love to see this

I find it hilarious, not sure why

[hazy notch]

ok so i have a follow up question

[mossy venture]

Shoot

[hazy notch]

so should i go amd or intel if im going to be just playing games and stuff

[mossy venture]

12900k

No reason not to

[hazy notch]

ok

[potent portal]

Unless you'll be building it at the end of this year when next gen comes out, just go 12900k

[mossy venture]

I'm assuming you have a *** ton of money and dgaf how much this build costs?

[hazy notch]

I'm not to I'm on intel stuff what should i know

[mossy venture]

Based off of the thread ripper comment?

[hazy notch]

im not to knowledgable*

[potent portal]

All you really need to know about the difference between 12900k and 5950X is Intel requires Windows 11 and uses more power in all core workloads. And it's better in gaming.

[mossy venture]

Do you have a budget

Or is money not anything to pay heed to

[hazy notch]

yeah pretty much

[potent portal]

Ooh no budget builds are fun. I'm doing other stuff, you go have a field day baka lol.

[hazy notch]

hmm?

[potent portal]

Someone will post up a list of parts for you to consider here in a few minutes

[hazy notch]

ok

[potent portal]

Sometimes multiple someones

[hazy notch]

why?

[potent portal]

Because picking parts is fun for nerds lol

[mossy venture]

If you literally don't care about money, as in you have too much to care about, here https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gr9rcb

There's one million percent much better price/perf out there

But if you just want the best possible crap and have more money than you could use, go for it

[mossy venture]

As in, 3080 12gb for $1200 less than games 7% worse

12700f for $300 that games the same

[hazy notch]

ok ok

[potent portal]

Yeah that's probably 10% more performance for 150% more money but that's about the best there is for gaming right now

[mossy venture]

I'm assuming you do actually have a budget?

[hazy notch]

should i wait till the end of the year when some more tech comes out like am5 and 4000 seires?

[edgy viper]

also 1200w is overkill for that build

[potent portal]

RGB instead of A-RGB? Was it out of stock?
And no KS?!

[potent portal]

No it's not lol

[mossy venture]

If you want

[edgy viper]

Yeah it is

[mossy venture]

Lol

[hazy notch]

im not going to be overclocking anything

i just play minecraft

with some shaders

[mossy venture]

3090 ti spikes high, 1000 would be enough but it's fine. Man says no budget, so I did no budget

[edgy viper]

I'm running an oc'd 3960x and a 500w bios 3090 and it barely pulls 1000w

[mossy venture]

You have no idea the damage you just did to my soul

[hazy notch]

Why?

[potent portal]

That 3090 ti GPU pulls 500W stock and probably spikes to 750W

[mossy venture]

"Should I buy a $3500 cpu" "all I play is minecraft"

[hazy notch]

well yeah

i want it to look pretty

[potent portal]

Then do I have the monitor for you

[mossy venture]

I cant tell if you're rich beyond measure or if you're trolling

[hazy notch]

I'm listening

No I just work a lot

[potent portal]

https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled42c2pua

[hazy notch]

I work over 70h a week

[mossy venture]

Thats disgusting

[hazy notch]

thats a tv

bruh

[potent portal]

Exactly

[mossy venture]

Why would you waste the money you work so hard for then

[potent portal]

And it'll look damn gorgeous playing ANYTHING

[hazy notch]

its not wasting if I enjoy it

I look at money like i look at time

[mossy venture]

You will enjoy it just as much from a 2k build

Minecraft can run on my almost 10 year old laptop

I can run shaders on my 3050 ti laptop

[hazy notch]

this thing is X amount of money and it takes X amount of time to get that much money, will i get that much fun back of the time spent

[mossy venture]

You'll get the same amount of fun while saving 2k

[hazy notch]

true but I kind of pride myself on this type of stuff

well

trying to

get what i mean?

[mossy venture]

If you put this build side by side with the other one, you will not notice a difference https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mKPX2m

ESPECIALLY in minecraft

[hazy notch]

Thats worse than what i currently have though

[mossy venture]

What

What do you currently have

[hazy notch]

a ryzen 7 5800x with a 3080ti and 64g of ram

[mossy venture]

You genuinely have to be trolling

Why waste our time

[hazy notch]

hmm?

[mossy venture]

Annoying asf

[hazy notch]

my computer works fine, I would just like to have another?

[potent portal]

A better monitor will be a better upgrade for you either way. You'd be amazed what an OLED can do to change your gaming experience.

[hazy notch]

Ok I can look more into that, but I apologize it was not my intent to waste anyones time

I was just genuinely curious.

and i do plan on useing those builds

but im giving away my current computer

That's why I'm getting a new one

[fossil cedar]

Not surprised tbh

[mossy venture]

Neither am i

[fossil cedar]

That's what I'd do, if upgrading jump on 13th gen

[mossy venture]

Yeah, prolly will

If I'm giving the build to a family member I'll probably switch the 3600 to a 3400g and buy a cheap kit of ram

Have an extra ssd in there already, so that can stay put

[fossil cedar]

Might be better just getting a cheap af ancient gpu 2nd hand

[mossy venture]

Actually I'll just grab a 1030 or smthn

Yeah

[fossil cedar]

710 or any of the Radeon old cards would do too

[mossy venture]

Or by then prices will have dropped (hopefully) and low endish cards will be cheap

Like 1650s and such

[fossil cedar]

Not gonna be as cheap as an old radeon/gt card tbh they'll go for like 10-15$

[potent portal]

Isn't that rumored DDR5 only unless it's on 600 mobos? And the 600 mobos memory topology... sucks.

[mossy venture]

Yeah but it'd be nice if whoever I give it to could game on it

Or maybe I'll give it to my grandparents so they stop buying $1000 all in one's every three years

Srsly they should just talk to me

[fossil cedar]

There was a rumour but it doesn't matter because of 600 series, mem top only sucks on the ddr5 boards because of how much more hard it is to run

[fossil cedar]

Ahh fair

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-surprised-kevin-hart-gif-24449759

[mossy venture]

My grandma is... not the smartest with money

[fossil cedar]

Lol

[mossy venture]

Though if I give it to her I'll have her calling me every two seconds because there's an issue with it

[frigid night]

So ill be good to go with 13th gen on my board?

I don't wanna upgrade to ddr5 to upgrade to 13th gen.. may as well build a whole new pc at that point.

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[winter marsh]

I can't wait to get started on this today....

[jagged ember]

I mean, I assume she'd still have problems with those all in ones

[mossy venture]

oh she does

it just isnt my problem since i havent had anything to do with them

[jagged ember]

write documentation

it's time

[little osprey]

anyone know what case this is?

[mossy venture]

Bad

[strong raft]

P5 or p7 since it has the lil nobs in front.

[little osprey]

interesting price lol

i wonder how good pc building simulator is bc I wana design some PCs more focused around the aesthetic side for future reference ||and dopamine||

[strong raft]

This 1 is a decent price, but yea tbh quite a bit for just basically a mobo tray & the single glass piece. Gonna diy my case for latest pc since I have a bunch of nice 1/4" own boards & stuff.

[little osprey]

lol

idk if its just the white fans but the silver heatsinks on mobo is throwing me off

I look at it

and im like

smth feels imbalanced

there's an awkward amount of black to white here

[strong raft]

White ballistix.

[little osprey]

yeah that would really fix the build

but

it aint an option bc I managed to get a 3600c14 OC on my ram sticks

[still roost]

Avionix#4365 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

lol

i swear too much

[strong raft]

I feel that, & stock just 3200c16 ? Mine are 3600. I'd like to think I could do similar timings ez* enough.

[little osprey]

yeah stock is 3600c16

sorry

3200c16

getting those timings that low was literal death lol

but thankfully there were people willing to help otherwise I would've finished my ram OC today if I had not blindly followed some advice and tried hitting two birds with one stone in my testing

but yeah patience is so important yet so terrifying at the same time as your testing could show an error in the 6th hour of testing leading to additional tweaks and another set of tests

[strong raft]

For sure. Yea ggood, forks, fal cie, few others are really good w/ (ram) oc. I figure I'd do flat 16's 1st then do like 15-16-16, & maybe try cL 14 for a min. 500GB sn550 would be a large bench ssd so I want to get a cheap/small one. Ah, I have a 250GB mx300 or mx500 I should use. -- just busy w/ painting & stuff for a bit.

[vague oracle]

Spray paint

[frigid night]

like... 4000c16?

Timings are loose, but meh

[strong raft]

700 trfc - 4000c16 is good, but nah. 11th gen max on gear 1 is around 3800 I think, & I'd rather do lower cL than try for sub-10% extra bandwidth. (11th gen doesn't gain much with at least 3000ish mhz ram afaik)

[frigid night]

ah

yeah I haven't messed with any other timings yet.

[fossil cedar]

Not able to do flat timings on rev e/rev b(ballistix) because of trcd, you'll want b die for that

Something like this is what tuned rev e looks like

[strong raft]

Ah I forgot min of 18 trcd or something like that. Oops: --I'm so used to seeing flat timings. I had 800mhz 4-4-4-12 , 1066 at 5-5-5-15, then finally double digits on ddr3 w/ 10-10-10-30 at 1866. 🙃

[fossil cedar]

19 on the 3200 kit with over 3200 too

[strong raft]

Here's my sticker. Single rank & unfortunately not the Malaysia stuff, but oh well. It's still sealed 🤣

[desert gulch]

BallStix

[craggy zenith]

hey all this is my current build with everything i have in it so far
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KRKqbK

these are the upgrades i want to make
https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Vengeance-3200MHz-PC4-25600-CMW32GX4M2E3200C16/dp/B081XWLQKS
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-MZ-V7S1T0B/dp/B07MFZY2F2?th=1
are these parts okay for my build compatibility wise/do you note anything of concern when looking at these upgrades? thanks all!

[frigid night]

Finally got the minion for my PC

[stoic island]

I would do
https://www.amazon.com/SK-hynix-Gold-PCIe-Internal/dp/B08DKB5LWY/
and
https://www.newegg.com/kingston-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820242621
instead

[fossil cedar]

would grab this ssd instead https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Wg2bt6/adata-xpg-gammix-s50-lite-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs50l-1t-c

[stoic island]

nah, that drive is barely gen 4, might as well grab p31 :p

s70 blade for gen 4

innogrit is fun but p31 still neat nand

[fossil cedar]

its am a tier :/

[stoic island]

So is P31 lol >:P

[fossil cedar]

but s50 is 10$ cheaper

[stoic island]

p31 nicer nand for nicer rnd

[fossil cedar]

hmm

but cheaper

[stoic island]

I like my rnd

[fossil cedar]

but money

[strong raft]

$300 mobo

[desert gulch]

But money? --> $70 1tb mp33

[fossil cedar]

Indeed but if going higher end

[desert gulch]

yeah

[winter marsh]

@fossil cedarThe Lian Li Lancool2 Mesh c RGB arrived today, the Arctic Freezer 2 AIO delayed till Friday

I just popped it open to relocate the three front mounted to two top and one exhaust fan

[errant fiber]

nice case

[dapper crypt]

I got a skytech liquid cooler 🫶🏼 not a stock!

motherboard is ASRock B660M-C , graphics is EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 i7-12700F

I’ll send picture after I complete my exam

[cyan ravine]

Can you show us the psu as well?

[little osprey]

what connecter is needed for this?

[winter marsh]

Is there a mobo UsB 9 pin to UsB C adapter anywhere?

[dapper crypt]

yeah

[winter marsh]

But nm it's nap time anyway

I'll try to sneak a STO event in 1st

[stoic island]

This thing? Looks like usb 2.0 to me

[stoic island]

to 3.1 gen 2 or directly to just usb-c

[little osprey]

damn

gotta buy that then, I assume theres usb 2.0 to sata?

[stoic island]

you sure? most mobos have usb 2.0 headers

and yea there should be

[little osprey]

yeah I see it now

thanks

[dapper crypt]

Wait nvm I’m too lazy to open it up

[cyan ravine]

Eh

Just take the back panel off

It takes 5 seconds

[dapper crypt]

But I need a screwdriver 😩

[cyan ravine]

[desert gulch]

Probs thumbscrews

[sinful eagle]

Is a 650W PSU enough for a 3050, i5-11400f and 16 GBs of RAM?

[errant fiber]

yes

[viral ore]

which 650W PSU

or do you not know yet

[little osprey]

Yah is it true you should reinstall windows when u got a new mb?

[potent portal]

Ideally yes

It's possible you'll lose performance otherwise, if it works at all

[viral ore]

reinstall windows any chance you get

always worthwhile

[little osprey]

man now I gotta backup up all my stuff in one night

f

[viral ore]

do you have a secondary drive?

[little osprey]

Yea it’s mostly for backups it’s just I haven’t backed my stuff on my main drive in a while

[potent portal]

You could just install over your current installation and it'll keep your data

[little osprey]

Never really liked that idea, rather just start from scratch

[viral ore]

assuming the drive even boots at all with the new system config

[little osprey]

Wym?

[viral ore]

i assume this is a completely different system, and you didnt just swap out the motherboard, right?

new cpu, ram, etc

[little osprey]

Yea

[viral ore]

ok

[little osprey]

Only cpu mb nd ram

but yea essentially everything

[viral ore]

clean install worth it, just make sure to clear all the extra partitions off the ssd during install, and not to wipe out the other drive partitions

[little osprey]

I don’t have the other drive plugged in tho

[viral ore]

that works too

[little osprey]

But yea that’s what I’m going to do

[abstract brook]

What is the absolute bare minimum pc parts needed for destiny 2

[little osprey]

what do you guys think of this ek vertical mount bracket?

it works with air cooled gpus too btw

Is this build good? Do I need to change anything?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Hayasaki/saved/#view=HRqWcf

[mossy venture]

It is not good

I haven't slept in two days so I'm going yo sleep, someone else will help you or I will tommorow

But please don't buy most of that

Meaning you do need to change stuff

Most of it needs to be changed

[stoic island]

to start, get a better cooler, different ram, cheaper psu of the same quality, better monitor

like ak620

could grab 2x16 3200c16 for around 100$

could grab g6 850w for 105$

[stoic island]

monitor wise, are you set on 1080p?

Because I would suggest 1440p if possible

[little osprey]

Oh ok, what else should I change? I’m a complete noob at this. Yeah, first time I ever look into PC building

[little osprey]

I will change it do you have a recommendation? I don’t want to spend too much

[stoic island]

try like this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08FXZVJH6

[little osprey]

Is there anything else I need to change besides the cooler, ram, psu and monitor?

[stoic island]

Could do better case, SSD, and mobo

Like b660m-a pro

P31 or s70 blade or s50 lite depending on use case

Case could be like p400a td500 mesh 4000d p500a lancool ii mesh etc

[little osprey]

Does the case matter that much? I don’t want to spend too much on components that don’t affect gaming performance

[stoic island]

then you could just go with mx330-g air

Airflow affects temps but doesn't matter that much for gaming

[little osprey]

Alright cool! Why did you recommend 2x16 GB of Ram instead of 2x8 GB?

I thought 16 GB in total was enough?

[mossy venture]

32GB 3200c16 is $100 and very nice for gaming

I'd just get an mp33 for the ssd, for gaming you really won't notice a huge difference. Either that or the p31

Monitor is up to personal preference

[potent portal]

https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360048721052-Destiny-2-on-PC-System-Requirements

So pretty much any midrange computer from the last 10 years

Or a low end one from the last 5

[little osprey]

@stoic island @mossy venture Thanks for answers ^^

[ornate condor]

[frank stirrup]

U can play destiny 2 off a decent apu

Ive comfortably played on a 5625U

[livid shadow]

I've played d2 off a 920m at 1080 at reasonable details

[frigid night]

@dapper crypt I'm gonna need you to come over to my place and do a video for my setup. I like the way you did yours.

[dapper crypt]

Omg it wasn’t that good but thank you😭 I edit a lil on da side

[south cliff]

I finally got my cable combs got them off amazon for 13.90 for 3 8 pin 24 pin and 2 6 pins

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09MK16TQD?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

not a bad deal

[wicked frigate]

Guys what are normal cpu temps for 5900x

Mine was just 75

77

[jagged ember]

under load?

that's good

you want to start worrying when it hits 90

[wicked frigate]

Celsius

?

[jagged ember]

yes

[wicked frigate]

Ohh

[jagged ember]

no one in their right mind uses fahrenheit for computer temps

[wicked frigate]

And my fans started spinning max speed

[jagged ember]

it is under load right?

[wicked frigate]

I mean running Spotify

[rich void]

That's good

[wicked frigate]

One game

And discoids

Discord

[jagged ember]

yeah, that's under load

you're fine

[wicked frigate]

Alr

I though something happened

[jagged ember]

turn up sound if fans bother you lol

[wicked frigate]

Lol

Also

[jagged ember]

but nothing is wrong

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Thx guys

Also

Is it good time to buy gpu

Buy

[jagged ember]

wait

until new gen releases

at least

[rich void]

If you really need a GPU it's a good time
If you can wait a minimum of 4-6 months wait for the next gen

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Wait

Won’t next gen have different connectors

[rich void]

Yeah if you have a GPU that's meeting your needs just wait

[jagged ember]

no?

it'll still be pcie lol

[wicked frigate]

No not price

[jagged ember]

they'll probably need more power cables though

[wicked frigate]

Yah that

How will I do that than

Do I need new psu

[jagged ember]

won't be different, will just be more

[jagged ember]

I dunno, honestly

I'd just get last gen cards when the next gen releases

[wicked frigate]

Ok

One more thing

Should I put all aio fans into a different connectedr

And control them differently than the case fans

[jagged ember]

your choice

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[jagged ember]

doesn't really matter unless you want more control over them

[rich void]

There have been rumors they'll use a different power connector but we don't know yet and if there's any change I assume there'll be adapters (likely shipped with cards as with 30 series FE cards)

[jagged ember]

imo doesn't matter lol

[wicked frigate]

Ok thx guys

[jagged ember]

24pin power connector for next gen gpus lol

[wicked frigate]

Do you guys know a lot about monitors

[jagged ember]

ehh

[wicked frigate]

Should I get Samsung odyssey g7

[jagged ember]

might need #peripherals-and-displays

[wicked frigate]

Alr

Thx

[jagged ember]

imo no though, but I would never use it's full capabilities

so that's just me

[rich void]

Rtings has good reviews

https://www.rtings.com/

[wicked frigate]

K thx

[jagged ember]

oh yeah true they do

[rich void]

G7 has been out a while I think so it's possible there are better options now but idk

[wicked frigate]

Do you know any

[rich void]

I don't, I'd check out reviews on rtings

I'm also not familiar with the G7 itself. Iirc it was outside of the budget I set for a monitor when I got mine

[torn mesa]

Hi, is this prebuilt good? https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali583/p/N82E16883360218?Item=N82E16883360218&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-218-_-06152022
Also, how would you add ram to it?

[mossy venture]

the ram in it is fine for gaming

[fossil cedar]

Yea but the case is pretty bad, would get this instead
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali565/p/N82E16883360195?itemPosition=1-12&exactIndex=8

[little osprey]

Y’all is this right?

[fossil cedar]

It should only fit in one way so ye

[little osprey]

Also I touch the top a lil bit

that arigh?

[mossy venture]

meh, for the parts its fine. with the other one you get the better cpu and 500gb more storage

so for the same price id go for the other one

[fossil cedar]

Oh i didn't see that

Fair

[olive cypress]

May explode
Jk
It's fine to touch the CPU (try not to put something like 20 volt through the CPU)

[fossil cedar]

Opera sucksssssssses

Also it's dependent on the server you're downloading from

[desert gulch]

Honestly nowadays, use opera if you want

If you like the themes and interface, go ahead

[south cliff]

Yeah I used it onece it was to complicated so I just went back to chrome

[frigid night]

Is @south cliff coming to the light side of the force?

[mossy venture]

Opera is the worst browser I have ever used

Just malware

[south cliff]

Who do you think I am???

[potent portal]

tbf vader does flip in the end

[south cliff]

That wasn’t me that was off brand Vader

I never switch

Also I have a question do mods get paid?

[potent portal]

No

[south cliff]

I thought y’all did

[potent portal]

Nope, we're not employees

Admins are though

[south cliff]

Especially since we in Newegg dis

Not really fair imo

Yall should be put in like the tech support category

[potent portal]

Nah it's fine, admins keep the mods in line and we volunteer some time to keep you guys in line

Plus then you'd have people with "discord admin" on resumes and that's not a timeline I want to be in

[south cliff]

I never see an admin do anything

Like not really active

[potent portal]

They do their jobs, don't worry. It's just mostly behind the scenes.

[cyan ravine]

[south cliff]

I see

[south cliff]

Also don’t tell anyone your best mod

[rich void]

You all don't put that on your resumes?

[potent portal]

Nah, maybe top 5 but I'm not perfect. Forks is much more experienced and gives useful suggestions to admins. He's top of my list.

[potent portal]

Only as a meme

[south cliff]

Well I fell like your more like user friendly

Like for new people

[potent portal]

That's fair. I'm pretty patient usually. And I'm often the first mod and/or techie people interact with.

[south cliff]

Yup

[frigid night]

It's a toss up between Fal'Cie and Pato.

For me anyways.

[south cliff]

I like fal cue Bette imo

Fal cie

[frigid night]

They both help me immensely in different aspects of the PC world.

[south cliff]

Same

I’m an absolute beast at for honor

[icy crater]

Does anyone know if psu cable is included when you buy separate parts and build a pc?

[viral ore]

psus come with all the cables you need

psus come with the psu cables, more specifically, no other component will come with them

[icy crater]

Even the ones you need to connect to the case and plug into the wall?

[viral ore]

nothing connects the case to the wall

the psu plugs into the wall

[icy crater]

Ohh I see.

[viral ore]

the psu will come with that cable

[icy crater]

Cause I lost that cable but I forgot how long it was.

Like this one.

[viral ore]

length is irrelevant

just get one thats as long as you need it

[icy crater]

Ah alright I guess I'll do some measuring.

Thank you!

[south cliff]

i would give an extra foot just incase you have to move it somewhere

and its not long enough

[frigid night]

I can't find the right L shaped micro-usb adapter on amazon lol

they are all 90 degree. I need a 270 degree

[south cliff]

well just get a 180

and make it fit

[frigid night]

I didn't see any 180 either

I would like a 180 tbh

Its just to make my sensor panel look uniform.

[desert gulch]

😳

are you sure about that?

[south cliff]

Ay?

Wym by that

[desert gulch]

😳

[south cliff]

I mean

[viral ore]

[south cliff]

@visual notch Like my character?

[visual notch]

Why is this build chat? lol but yes, that's adorable.

[south cliff]

idk

[south cliff]

wdym adorable

[visual notch]

It's ZE ONE.

[south cliff]

its the pinical of all races

[visual notch]

Indeed, human. 😛

[south cliff]

yes

how do i know i can go to special voice chat?

[idle citrus]

hi

[dusky hearth]

hello

[south cliff]

hi

[idle citrus]

ok so

im taking a picture on my phone

[south cliff]

ok

[idle citrus]

but it aint loading

[dusky hearth]

yeah that's strange

[south cliff]

is it to big?

[idle citrus]

like my phone might be broken

no

[dusky hearth]

i doubt it

[idle citrus]

not even popping up to my photos

lemme reset phone

[south cliff]

yeah your phone bugging

[idle citrus]

or im suing steve jobs

[dusky hearth]

try retaking the image, probably just lag or smth

lmao

[idle citrus]

brb 2 minutes

[dusky hearth]

steve jobs is kinda welll

dead

been 11 years

[south cliff]

wow doesent sound so long ago

[idle citrus]

ok it worked

[south cliff]

just do the home

[dusky hearth]

i would say you should just get windows 10 home

[south cliff]

wiatitiitit

[idle citrus]

okay

[south cliff]

woat

[idle citrus]

?

[south cliff]

do pro

not home

[dusky hearth]

pro isnt worth it

[idle citrus]

why

[south cliff]

well better than home

tbh

[idle citrus]

what will happen if i pick pro

[south cliff]

just do pro \

nothing

[dusky hearth]

it is better, but the extra features will almost certainly not get used

[idle citrus]

ok

ill get it

[dusky hearth]

it's like $50 more isnt it

[south cliff]

yea

[idle citrus]

wait you gotta pay!

?^

[dusky hearth]

yes

[south cliff]

no

[idle citrus]

huh

[dusky hearth]

well, no but yes

[south cliff]

not for pro

[idle citrus]

what

[south cliff]

just pick it

[dusky hearth]

technically you can use windows for free

[idle citrus]

ok

lemme read terms n services

[dusky hearth]

you will just have a watermark if you dont pay

[idle citrus]

nah im jk

[dusky hearth]

lmao

[idle citrus]

ok idc about watermark

is it 100 for home?

nd 150 for pro?

and*

[south cliff]

dont pay

you can get a key for like 15 bucks

online

[idle citrus]

ok

which installation

[south cliff]

show me

[idle citrus]

custom or upgrade

[south cliff]

send pic

[dusky hearth]

custom

[idle citrus]

ok

[south cliff]

yeah custom

[dusky hearth]

since it's a new system

[south cliff]

next

[idle citrus]

installing windows