building-and-recc-chat

[tall shard]

ima try to get it for christmas

[mossy venture]

but always good to have extra

[mossy venture]

prices will be very different by then

[tall shard]

i shoudve gotten something better for my birthday

[mossy venture]

i would recommend checking back with us by then

[tall shard]

i got a oculus

coudve gotten sum more better like a pc

whats ur pc build

im kinda intrested

[mossy venture]

3060 ti 3600

[tall shard]

did u somehow pay for that urself

[mossy venture]

yes

[tall shard]

or if u have a job

oh daym

i wish i had a job

when im like 16 ima work with my dad

then get a super good pc build

[tall shard]

this is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEo3cvFGiQc&t=128s

that i was looking at

800 dollar build

[potent portal]

Next gen stuff will be out by the holidays so prices will be completely different

[tall shard]

so

what would i need

for a whole setup

like monitor cables and

just to have a pc and a monitor working playing roblox

[potent portal]

Roblox doesn't need a lot of power, you could probably get away with a next gen iGPU build. Then you have the option of upgrading with a GPU later.
Monitors usually come with cables, and I'd estimate around $800 including everything, basic keyboard, mouse, monitor with speakers.

[near nacelle]

I need with what motherboard and GPU to finish my parts list. I was recommended the z690, is that still good for what I have? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Migweegwee/saved/vMY2xr

[potent portal]

That list is set to private

[near nacelle]

oops

does it work now?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cXYjGL

[potent portal]

You don't need a Z690 since you're not getting a K sku processor, a good B660 like this is perfect https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FsfnTW/msi-pro-b660-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660-a-ddr4

List looks good otherwise

[near nacelle]

Still missing a GPU, the gigabyte 1660 is fine or something else? my budget is 1,400 but i can stretch to 1,600 max

already got the 2T storage and ram from a birthday

[potent portal]

You can do a 3060 in that budget easily

Did you have the power supply already? You can go cheaper to save a bit

[near nacelle]

I have a power supply but its not that one hold on its under my desk

CX550M

[potent portal]

Gray label?

[near nacelle]

in the art of it?

[potent portal]

That would be good enough for this build tbh

[potent portal]

Yeah that's the 2017 model, gray label

[near nacelle]

I can use this one for the build then

[potent portal]

Yep should be fine. It's a C tier unit but that's acceptable for low-mid range builds.

[near nacelle]

I can always get the bigger one in the event I upgrade

[potent portal]

Yep that's always an option

[near nacelle]

It shouldn't interfere with performance?

[potent portal]

Nah

[near nacelle]

Awesome

And I looked at the motherboard, I'll need a wifi card if I don't attach it to the tower? I have a family computer hooked to it

is it worth using the p400a case instead if I plan to expand on it in the future?

[kindred pawn]

Would a 3080 fit in a phanteks p300 case?

[strong raft]

sure

[potent portal]

You can do this one instead if you need wifi https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YZPQzy/gigabyte-b660-gaming-x-ax-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b660-gaming-x-ax-ddr4

[mossy venture]

depends on the model

[potent portal]

P300A fits a GPU up to 355mm long, which is roughly 3070 class or some smaller 3080s

[mossy venture]

pretty sure my 3060 ti is longer than that lol

i lied

[near nacelle]

whats the difference between the 2060's that say MSI gaming, Ventus, and EVGA

[mossy venture]

mainly cooling

[near nacelle]

3060

[mossy venture]

6600 a better buy rn

[dense reef]

So for a current day High End PC how much about would I want to save up to get a Mid - High End PC?

[potent portal]

The Gaming ones are factory overclocked and have better coolers, Ventus are cheap AF and barely cool the GPU enough

[mossy venture]

can do anything from 900 to 1.8k realistically

[dense reef]

And above 1.8k would be like a really High End PC? If they have the right parts I mean

[mossy venture]

above 1.8k would be wasting money

[dense reef]

Really? Do you have some in mind mate?

[mossy venture]

ye on sec

[dense reef]

I have been looking for some decent pc builds

Trying to save up at least yknow

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pWpck9

i guess 2k

but thats with the extra tb of ssd storage

[dense reef]

Question then, why would it be a waste to get say an i9 or whatever Ryzen has? I am just wondering for knowledge

[mossy venture]

currently intel is better perf than amd. For gaming, 12700k is near identical to 12900k

just extra heat

5800x3d is plausible, but same thing

more expensive for not much gain

[dense reef]

So with the build you showed me should it work well with streaming and playing games?

[mossy venture]

ye

[dense reef]

Sweet thanks for the help mate

[mossy venture]

np

[near nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wD8bt6/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-gaming-x-video-card-rtx-3060-gaming-x12g the Gaming one should be good then yeah

[mossy venture]

nooo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jZFbt6/evga-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-lhr-8-gb-xc-gaming-video-card-08g-p5-3663-kl

or 6650xt for $400

or a diff 3060 for $400

[dense reef]

Why is Liquid Cooling better then Air?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CjM48d/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-eagle-oc-rev-20-video-card-gv-n3060eagle-oc-12gd-rev-20

[mossy venture]

it just is

[potent portal]

Definitely worth going a tier higher if you're looking at that price

[dense reef]

xD

True

[potent portal]

Liquids conduct heat better than metals

[still roost]

Spood#5192 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dense reef]

woops

[near nacelle]

the 8gb gaming cost more because the cooling?

[mossy venture]

it costs more because its a better card

vram doesnt equal performance

[near nacelle]

mk

[potent portal]

It's the 3060 ti vs the 3060 that matters there

3060 ti is up to 20% better

[near nacelle]

gotcha

I also have these if these are better than the fans in the case

I can always get full rub fans another time

[dense reef]

@mossy venture One more question if you don't mind, does it really matter what case I get for it? Or...???

[mossy venture]

yes

airflow, size compatibility

[dense reef]

So if the case that I wanna get has pretty much what you said should it be ok for me to get?

[mossy venture]

link it

[dense reef]

And don't ask me what I had in mind it was just a general question, just in case I wanted to get a different case

xD

But I can go search for you if you don't mind me dm'ing it to you

*one

[mossy venture]

not at all

[near nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KWkMFg

this is everything together, excluding what I own its roughly around 1,375sum

[rich helm]

@mossy venture i know you are fairly knowledgeable about this stuff, I am thinking of changing over to a itx build and wanted to know what you thought this pc would sell for? This would be most of the components from my old pc plus a new cpu and gpu https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZjdR4s

[desert gulch]

I'll buy it for what pcpp priced it up as, even throw another 100 on top

[rich helm]

hmm idk lol

[near nacelle]

how did you switch those prices to zero on the ones you owned?

[rich helm]

click on the gear, click on manual price which by default is 0

[near nacelle]

mk

[mossy venture]

taking a random shot in the dark, a bit over 1k

[rich helm]

k thanks

now time to try to convince my parents

[near nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6FRW9r

[mossy venture]

id get the p360a for just a bit more

[near nacelle]

lemme look at it

oo okay then

I am in a great range on my budget I think this is it

[mossy venture]

also id go for the msi b660a personally, but its personal preference

[potent portal]

They wanted wifi

[mossy venture]

mag mortar

[near nacelle]

yeah but the 660 had wireless so i chose that one, I have a family computer on the tower

it do be portable

ill note it for later builds, if and when I upgrade ill make the old parts into a PC for a relative

[mossy venture]

ahh kk

oh also id go for the 12400f since its $25 cheaper

tho if you want the igpu its fine

[near nacelle]

is there a difference or just a preference thing? im not fullyt educated on all the after letters and numbers

[mossy venture]

same exact perf, just no igpu on the 12400f

[near nacelle]

I think ill just keep the igpu to have it i dont mind. Im in budget by 200sum so im pretty comfortable

But yeah! Thank you very much you guys. I had been wanting Build a PC and not just buy a 'gaming or 'costco one for a while, the pandemic gave me time to learn more about what's in a computer, and I feel confident in knowing that It was made by me, with help, and that I know whats in it

older brother bought a prebuild the WEEK the pandemic was about to happen, and i was jealous. but its all good now

[fossil cedar]

Maybe 850

[late fjord]

@analog pulsar hey didn't want to blow up pet chat. How are your temps in that case. I used to have that case but swapped because of really high temps

Ended up getting the O11 dynamic.

[analog pulsar]

ig it depends on cooler but vetter chances getting N7

[late fjord]

I didn't get an aio until after I swapped cases so maybe that was the culprit. Not sure lol

[late fjord]

Ooo I like that

I love the nzxt look.

[jagged ember]

what is that, a p400a?

[neon path]

Can I run x2 16gb 3200MHz ddr4 on a ddr4 supported 2666MHz motherboard? And if so should i just buy ram with less than 3200MHz then

[analog pulsar]

[mossy venture]

Depends on your exact mobo and cpu

[neon path]

i’ll run a scan when i get home so i know what i have

[fossil cedar]

what motherboard?

[little osprey]

What's the best gaming laptop under 200

[earnest olive]

under 200?

probably some 10 year old used laptop on facebook marketplace

I sold a 5 year old low end gaming laptop for $550

[little osprey]

damn

[earnest olive]

you would get a lot more value out of a desktop than a laptop at 200

[spring hedge]

is this good https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Cjgnt

[little osprey]

what about a desktop under 300

[fossil cedar]

youll also have to look used/used parts

[little osprey]

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cCZphk

although you can go ek aio its just too expensive imo

[spring hedge]

on new egg its for $138

so should i get that then?

[fossil cedar]

ohh is it?

[spring hedge]

yes

[fossil cedar]

ahh yeah if its only 138 go EK rgb

[spring hedge]

OK THANK YOU

caps sorry

[fossil cedar]

np

[spring hedge]

@fossil cedar one more thing this is my first build so what parts should i get a warranty for

[fossil cedar]

none they like all normal things come with a warranty

extended warranties are a scam

[potent portal]

*usually a scam
It can be worth it if you buy a TV or phone, especially one of unknown quality, but that's about it

Those things tend to be hit with the "planned obsolescence" scam where they die right when the warranty ends

[spring hedge]

Ok thanks man

[neon path]

moria i think

it says HP 84FE (AM4)

[fossil cedar]

Uhh Moira? What cpu is in it?

[pastel briar]

i have a computer that will turn on post and then cash after it lets me enter bios

does anyone know how to fix that or diagnose it

[potent portal]

Clear CMOS to start

[pastel briar]

how do i do that

[potent portal]

Unplug computer, remove the flat silver battery from the motherboard, hold power button 10 seconds, wait 5 minutes, put the battery back and plug in again

[pastel briar]

alright

[earnest olive]

hp has weird names for their motherboards lol

[pastel briar]

i guess now i get to see if the power button i made works the same

[fossil cedar]

Do they also have a Reinhardt and Lucio motherboard?

[earnest olive]

LOL

maybe

I think they have one named jasmine

[fossil cedar]

Lmao

[earnest olive]

jasmine new overwatch hero confirmed

[fossil cedar]

Kek

[earnest olive]

abilities:
vrm throttle
2666mhz ram
pathetic i/o
have am4 socket but somehow only support ryzen 1000

needs nerf tbh

[fossil cedar]

Sounds OP yeag

[pastel briar]

what do i do with server ram and a server psu?

[stoic island]

Server ram most of the time can just be used as normal slow ram

server psu, more annoying, if you really want to use it, will prob need breakout board

[pastel briar]

the ram doesn't support duel channel

only 4 at at time

i only have 2

[stoic island]

?

quad channel memory depends on the CPU not the ram

ecc doesn't really matter for consumers

[pastel briar]

it wont work at all no matter what

and its ddr3

https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/module/rdimm/m393b2g70ah0-yh9/

[potent portal]

DDR3 can still be good on a quad channel xeon

But for general use, you're better off selling those

[neon path]

my cpu is AMD Ryzen 7 2700 8 core, 3200 Mhz, My mother board is HP 84FE

[pastel briar]

all the info of them is better than my current ram but it will not go it blinks dram

[pastel briar]

its 32gb of 1333 ddr3 ram

i'm using 16 gb of like 800 ddr3 ram

[potent portal]

What CPU and motherboard

[pastel briar]

a amd phenom II x6 1100t

and i dont know on the motherboard

[potent portal]

The motherboard chipset is the most important part

[pastel briar]

its a asus

[potent portal]

You can find out what it is using cpu-z, the mainboard tab

[fossil cedar]

I'd probably go with a 2933 jedec kit

If you can

[pastel briar]

i posted the picture

all the information says it should work

[potent portal]

Yeah everything I see says it should work too. Phenom even supports ECC on the memory controller.

But that'll depend on the motherboard too

[fossil cedar]

I'd probably go with this kit then
https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820226917?itemPosition=1-6&exactIndex=0

[neon path]

I meant im getting 32gb

[pastel briar]

like my motherboard just doesn't

[fossil cedar]

Oh lemme look

[ripe spear]

That is some generic looking memory

Also if your board has 4 dimm slots them buy that times 2

[potent portal]

That wouldn't be so bad on a jedec kit like that at least, since speed/latency aren't the goal. Best practice is still 2 sticks, so you can upgrade later.

[fossil cedar]

Can zen+ imc handle 3200 with no issues fal btw?

[potent portal]

The motherboard doesn't seem to support ANY Samsung memory at all, even ones just using samsung dies

[potent portal]

Yes, I ran 3200 straight 14s on my 2700

That's what I used getting all my hwbot 🏆

[fossil cedar]

Fair enough just thought it required tweaking

[potent portal]

Nope, didn't even need that much SoC voltage. Auto for most settings is fine, but I tuned it of course.

This is on a more recent agesa version of course

[fossil cedar]

Cool cool

[fossil cedar]

This should do
https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331604

[potent portal]

I think I had 1.2.0.5? So the latest will do

[ripe spear]

Those timings though

[potent portal]

The board will limit it since no XMP anyway

HP bios FTW

[neon path]

alright thank you a lot

[fossil cedar]

Np

[fossil cedar]

Yeah knew it had to be a jedec kit just wondering if it could do 3200

[potent portal]

If not it'll just do what it can

It'll have all jedec speeds programmed anyway

[ripe spear]

This is the same price though with tighter timings https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331617?quicklink=true

[fossil cedar]

Ahh truee

[fossil cedar]

They can't

Hp mobo = no xmp

[ripe spear]

You can you just don't do it from the bios

[desert gulch]

Ryzen master

[fossil cedar]

Nope

[desert gulch]

It's not preferable but it should work

[fossil cedar]

Afaik still doesn't allow

[desert gulch]

Iirc it does

@wheat coral does it work?

[wheat coral]

what

oh

it should bypass bios

[desert gulch]

Ye

[wheat coral]

but it depends on the board

[desert gulch]

Cause chipset itself supports it

[wheat coral]

like xtu, it works in theory but in practice is different

[ripe spear]

hp 84fe

That is what someone said their board is

which has a R7 2700

[desert gulch]

Fal, done typing your 5 paragraph essay?

[potent portal]

Huh, apparently that does work using RM to bypass it. But Intel is still locked so no XTU for similar exploit.

[desert gulch]

Yea

Am4 pog

[potent portal]

It's this new keyaboard, I'm still getting used to it

[desert gulch]

What switches?

[potent portal]

It's the EVGA Z12

Membrane

[ornate condor]

I trying to get used to my new clicky keyboard lol

[desert gulch]

Oh the one with the bundle?

[ornate condor]

mine is z15

[potent portal]

Yeah

[desert gulch]

What's your first impressions?

[wheat coral]

sadly

ryzen master isnt good, xtu isnt much better. would be nice if intel started unlocking chipsets and cpus more

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[potent portal]

It's not bad, much more sensitive than my old one and keys are spaced out a bit more. RGB is nice, I don't need per key illumination.

[desert gulch]

Ryzen master ofc isn't preferable but should work

[desert gulch]

Neat

[ripe spear]

From a video i just watched it does work but you have to use an older version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCqcByG-Nnw

[vague oracle]

Is there anyway to XMP on an intel chipset with an OEM board that doesn’t allow it?

It’s a Lenovo Z490 I think

[fossil cedar]

It should it's z490 that's 🙃

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/its-real-bad-not-good-awful-terrible-its-bad-gif-16985162

[vague oracle]

Lenovo doesn’t allow XMP by default

Best ram I can run in it is 3200CL22

Everything else about Lenovo prebuilts is great, the ram tho

[desert gulch]

Bios mod time?

[potent portal]

Looks like you can try using the old XTU version same as the HP trick, but it might just crash the PC completely

[drowsy sail]

Yo I’m building my computer I’m putting on the CPU cooler but I think I need an adapter for the CPU fan

I can’t post pic in this chat

[potent portal]

DM it to me

[ripe spear]

What CPU and cooler btw?

[desert gulch]

probs lga1700 would be my guess

thats my bet, i bet 0 dollas on it

[ripe spear]

Or if he is new to PC building and using Ryzen could be unaware that you have to remove the 2 things inside first

[potent portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984202970851860580/984203043430072330/3484FFD2-15F9-43E8-B764-585DD6D14206.jpg?width=503&height=671

[ornate condor]

lol

[vague oracle]

Unscrew the black clips

[potent portal]

You need to take off the plastic AMD bracket from the motherboard

[ripe spear]

Ya just have to unscrew the 2 bracket things inside to install it

[potent portal]

@drowsy sail

[ripe spear]

Tbh the MB manual would even show that

[ornate condor]

I wonder why amd mobos including them lol

[drowsy sail]

Oh ok

Thanks I’ll just unscrew those 4 nuts

Er screws

[ripe spear]

Because some default coolers still use them

[ornate condor]

I mean cooler manifacturers can make bracket for themself lol

[ripe spear]

https://10scopes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/amd-wraith-prism-rgb.jpg For Ryzen 7's

[ornate condor]

oh amd coolers also using it

still they can ship it with cooler lol

[ripe spear]

AMD coolers always used them

Also these cheap coolers https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-rr-t20-20fk-r1-hyper-t20/p/N82E16835103325

Funny thing is if you look at the .ca version of the site it is the same price lol

@ornate condor put this on your Ryzen 5 lol https://www.amazon.com/Wraith-Cooler-Processor-AM4-Connector/dp/B07GKRR5WR/

better than the stealth/spire and has RGB still

[potent portal]

I had the prism too, wasn't too bad on my 2700

[ornate condor]

stock coolers sux

[ripe spear]

Well that one doesn't

[potent portal]

Well yes, typically they barely get you below the throttle point in a decent airflow case. Every penny counts when you're shipping 500k units.

[vague oracle]

The prism actually wasn’t bad on my 3700x

[ripe spear]

But imagine how much better the prism would be on a Ryzen 3/5

[vague oracle]

Half want to try it out as a joke on my 5900x

[ornate condor]

I remember I used 3600 with stock cooler and I only able to remove cpu from heatsink with screwdriver lmao

it was like glued to heatsink

[mossy venture]

thats just the thermal paste

[vague oracle]

Surprisingly I never had the problem of my CPU getting stuck

[ripe spear]

It is like that with pretty much any cooler with AM4

[ornate condor]

I liked thing that am5 finally having lga locking mechanism

[ripe spear]

You mean how they are now following in Intel's footsteps

[ornate condor]

[ripe spear]

[ornate condor]

I gonna miss days that cpu comes off with heatsink lmao

[potent portal]

I've pulled my 2700 out of its socket twice lol

I even tried twisting and it just twisted the pins lol

[ripe spear]

You could of went with a threadripper and the CPU wouldn't come out of the socket when pulling out the cooler lol

[ornate condor]

actually I had that issue only with amd stock coolers . twisting works on other coolers lol

maybe its because stock coolers have crappy thermal paste

[ripe spear]

For that trick to work you have to stress the CPU for like 20 min turn off the system and then do it right away while it is hot

[potent portal]

I did ☠️

[ripe spear]

Or the other method was using a hair dryer before removing it

Which that is what i did with the R5 2600

[potent portal]

Luckily the CPU survived and I just carefully straightened the pins

[ornate condor]

I just ripped off one pin from 3600 when I try to remove it lol luckily I have repairman friend that soldered it back lol

[ripe spear]

First time i did the whole CPU coming out of the socket was with a R5 2400G

[potent portal]

I have a bad current sensor now though, so it throttles if I don't manually OC

[drowsy sail]

Another thing, looked through my motherboard manual, only has 3 fan headers plus cpu fan, are there any unused pins that could be used as fan headers

[ornate condor]

fan packs usually including splitter cable

[drowsy sail]

Not mine but sounds like that would be the fox I don’t have

Thanks anyway

[ripe spear]

That sometimes tends to be with cheap fans

[ornate condor]

usually fans connecting to controller and theres only one cable connecting between controller and mobo

[potent portal]

You can get splitters and use 4 fans per header safely that way

[drowsy sail]

Alright if the airflow is too low I’ll look into it

[potent portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984202970851860580/984209275524104232/12BD7708-507D-4D4D-9FE9-B78D00C1091C.jpg

[drowsy sail]

Would you say this is the best arrangement of fans for airflow insert pic I sent fal

No slots for case floor fans just top front and one back

[potent portal]

Yep looks optimal for a 3 fan setup

[drowsy sail]

Alright appreciate it

[ripe spear]

I would suggest thing for multiple fans and yes does work with other fans https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-Control-Supports-Cooling-FH-04/dp/B07LGWHHXV

tbh i would use that more than fan splitters just cause that would make it look cleaner

[scenic turret]

rate tis build

a friend only wanted to use memory express smh

Im in pain

also curse the 212 smh

[drowsy sail]

I’d personally switch to an amd motherboard and go with a 210$(on eBay) 5600x

[scenic turret]

yeah no we did an AMD build already but the 12400f has such great value

also again sticking to one store lol (Memory Express is Canadian)

[fossil cedar]

Why not pc part picker? Also looks like bad choices

[fossil cedar]

Why only stick with 1 shop?

[scenic turret]

YEAH THATS WHAT I TOLD HIM

[cyan ravine]

Memory express has g.skill ripjaws 3200 for $22 cheaper at that store. Much better kit to pick especially with no guarantee for xmp beyond 3200 with locked SA on b660

[scenic turret]

So stubborn

[scenic turret]

Ikr

Okay basically $1700CAD build

1440p build

I’ve made a few pcpp lists in the past

[fossil cedar]

They're just waiting money only going 1 shop

[scenic turret]

Ikr

[fossil cedar]

And poor choices for like every component

Except cpu and maybe gpu

[scenic turret]

The limitations of choosing a single store

Hmu with a pcpp

I’m too tired at this point

i was ranting so hard when i was seeing this lol

[drowsy sail]

Plugging in my headers how do you tell which side is negative and which side is positive

I mean

My front panel headers

[mossy venture]

pls no

[scenic turret]

ikr

died inside

[mossy venture]

show him this and see what he says https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/FzfQyK

[scenic turret]

damn ok had something really similar lol in pcpp

[cyan ravine]

I can squeeze it down to 1700

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YDZNpH

[mossy venture]

why that mobo though

[scenic turret]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YrM9Kp
So turns out he wants his PC to be under 2k but up to 2.3k with a monitor, this was one of my iterations

[mossy venture]

also that case has like $150 shipping

just doesnt show on pcp

[cyan ravine]

Isn't steel legend a mid range board?

[potent portal]

For the front panel, it doesn't matter for the power and reset buttons. All the button does is bridge the power and ground.
The LEDs matter though, and should be marked + and -

[mossy venture]

overkill for a 12400

[cyan ravine]

It's 150 tho

[mossy venture]

oh wasnt showing up

[cyan ravine]

Oh fair

I'm not too familiar with Canada lol

[mossy venture]

i only know from US

[scenic turret]

pretty much similar ideas though

[mossy venture]

it ships from the UK

[scenic turret]

all about min-maxing specs atm

[cyan ravine]

Yeah pretty much

[drowsy sail]

really helpful thanks, was worried id short something if I got it wrong

[cyan ravine]

Does canada computers have a bad shipping price for the matrexx as well?

Wait no my website glitching

$11.75-15

?

[scenic turret]

shipping price varies per item

[cyan ravine]

It's the same price at CC tho as amazon

[mossy venture]

oh nice

must just suck for US then

[cyan ravine]

Yeah not sure, I mean we hit the 1700 mark at least

[scenic turret]

Oh totally

i got trolled but min maxed at 1700-1800

[cyan ravine]

Changed it up for 2.3K https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/D98Dwc

[crude onyx]

for dude with craptop, i have a literal chromebook that i play roblox on occasionally, and it doesnt even have fans

[dense reef]

What is a really good webcam for cheap, like $100 or maybe less

[visual notch]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0855K66TJ

[dense reef]

And what would you suggest for over $100?

[visual notch]

Another Logitech model that does 4K

@dense reef

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N5UOYC4

[analog pulsar]

https://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-DT01ACA200-7200-SATA-Silver/dp/B010ANUFA6/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=wmJbq&content-id=amzn1.sym.5fe95cd4-8512-42fa-bf21-63d83b898785&pf_rd_p=5fe95cd4-8512-42fa-bf21-63d83b898785&pf_rd_r=JQ1QB2YGWTQ3DQ1BB9EJ&pd_rd_wg=Y1Rc3&pd_rd_r=be6bddd4-22cf-405b-9190-7d5ce5db4e9a&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m can someone tell m,e if this hard drive is worth it only has 64MB and its open box

[ornate condor]

Eww hard drive Toshiba ooen box

Everything is sus about it lol

[mossy venture]

Toshiba has one of the best consumer hdds with the x300

Open box is fine, if it's damaged or used more than open box warrants you can return it

[ornate condor]

Toshiba HDDs never worked well for me lol

All failed in 2 years

[mossy venture]

And hard drives are good for secondary storage, not everyone can spend $200 for a 2tb ssd

The build is also for a kid

[ornate condor]

Wd blue is alright one and I used almost 10 years my WD black drives

[mossy venture]

Seagate is probably the most popular, but I've had two of their drives die after three years

Brand speaks for nothing

[ornate condor]

Seagate is eh and loud as hell

[mossy venture]

Again, brand speaks for nothing. Maybe the specific Seagate hdd you bought was loud as hell, but my hgst (now owned by wd) drive is the loudest part of my pc

Brand speaks for nothing

[leaden raft]

could anyone who knows custom loops pretty well pls dm me

[little osprey]

Corsair Vengeance Pro or Trident Z for ram

[frank stirrup]

corsair bottom tier

[flint sapphire]

[mossy venture]

corsair makes terrible ram.

[little osprey]

gskill it is then

[fossil cedar]

I wouldn't shell out for g skill either

[little osprey]

then what is a good RGB ram

[fossil cedar]

What capacity where you looking at and what country?

[little osprey]

4 x 8gig sticks and US

[fossil cedar]

You don't want 4x8gb it puts unnecessary stress on the memory and motherboard and cpu and can limit speed

2x16gb would be a better choice

[little osprey]

then why pay for 4 ram slots

[fossil cedar]

For 64gb/128gb / upgrading from 16gb(2x8gb) to 32gb etc

[little osprey]

well anyway what brand should I go for then

[flint sapphire]

any peripherals that you already own or something?

aka corsair

[little osprey]

no its just that it is one of the top rated memory that is on Pcpartpicker

[flint sapphire]

not what i meant but aight

[fossil cedar]

I'd grab this if you don't mind white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZRpmP6/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf4d432g3600hc18jdc01

Or
https://www.newegg.com/geil-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820158919?Item=N82E16820158919

[flint sapphire]

👀 Those are weirdly cool.

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dHjJ7P/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32gb-2-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gtzrx
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7RYcf/team-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-tf3d432g3600hc18jdc01

Also options

[frigid night]

I like white

[frigid night]

would those be ocable to 4000c18? maybe a bit higher?

[drowsy sail]

Having an issue can someone post a pic for me

[mossy venture]

have to level up to be able to post pictures

[drowsy sail]

Can I send my pic to you

[mossy venture]

its in place to prevent randoms from joining and posting nasty pics

sure

[drowsy sail]

Is it too big to fit in the case you think insert pic

[mossy venture]

you need a bigger case or a smaller gpu

[drowsy sail]

I’m going to try pulling out the lower front fan to see if it will fit

[mossy venture]

thats not the issue

the case is physically not big enough

if you try to force it to fit you will break it

@drowsy sail

[drowsy sail]

Yeah it looks like it won’t fit, it could technically fit after removing the fan but it’s almost like the motherboards in the way

I’ll send pic post to this channel

[mossy venture]

you need a new case or a smaller gpu

[drowsy sail]

Shoot I think the issue is the card was bent in transit

[fossil cedar]

Nope 3600c18 would be the max

[mossy venture]

no, it is just too big for the case

it is near impossible to bend a gpu

especially in all of that packaging

theyre talking about the uhh

backplate

[frank stirrup]

no its just a big card in a small case

[mossy venture]

The backplate was actually bent

[teal egret]

Any recommendations for a prebuilt PC around 1200? Preferably an Nvidia GPU and a intel CPU.

[mossy venture]

are you in the US?

[teal egret]

yes

[mossy venture]

if youre fine with open box https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali560-master/p/N82E16883360190R?Description=3060 ti abs&cm_re=3060_ti abs-_-83-360-190R-_-Product&quicklink=true

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali633/p/N82E16883360298?Description=3060 abs&cm_re=3060_abs-_-83-360-298-_-Product otherwise

[humble fossil]

hi

Is there a real difference between normal ips and fast ips?

[mossy venture]

hi

i didnt even know that there was more than one variation of ips

[mossy venture]

sounds like a meme marketing tactic

[humble fossil]

I don't think it's a big difference

The larger one is cheaper, I think, because of the fast IPS

[mossy venture]

get the gigabyte m27q or g27q

or m32q

[humble fossil]

i will see

[potent portal]

Rapid IPS basically is a thinner layer of liquid crystal running at a higher voltage. We still need independent testing but they claim something like 0.2ms response.

[verbal oak]

What’s a cheap case that has two sides of glass and I can put my gpu vertical(3080)

[potent portal]

Very few cases have both sides glass, and even less are cheap

[desert gulch]

if you are vert mounting a gpu, you probs will be able to afford a decent case imo

having both sides glass looks really weird imo

[potent portal]

Yeah, it can be.
The Torrent has both sides glass but it's definitely not cheap and not good for vertical mounting.

[fossil cedar]

I'd imagine they mean side and front panel but yeah if youre vert mounting a 3080 you have money for a decent case

[potent portal]

Oh so they're looking for the H510 Elite in that case

[fossil cedar]

Oh god

At least the corsair 4000x/5000x

That way there's a bit of a gap to let air in

[potent portal]

Those aren't cheap though

[rich void]

Lian LI lancool II mesh might be a fit

[potent portal]

H510 is because no one in their right mind would use it

[rich void]

If they want a glass front panel the o11 I suppose, but it is far from cheap

[fossil cedar]

Better than a fire hazard xD h510 isn't even deep enough to reliably vert mount

[vague oracle]

Lancool II Mesh has both sides glass and is decent for vert mount GPU

[untold vessel]

Guys, what is the best possible deal for a 1TB M.2 right now

[visual notch]

PCIe 3.0 or 4.0?

[untold vessel]

what do you recommend

I just need some fast storage for some gaming

[visual notch]

If you can use a PCIe 4.0 drive, do so.

[untold vessel]

4.0 it is

[visual notch]

Do you have support for it?

[untold vessel]

How can we tell

[visual notch]

WHat CPU do you actually have? lol

[untold vessel]

ah

one sec

10400F

[visual notch]

Nope, you're limited to PCIe 3.0

[untold vessel]

alrighty

[visual notch]

So no point in the extra for a 4.0 drive

[untold vessel]

What's the best one for the price?

Yeeep

[visual notch]

Just lookin for gaming storage?

[untold vessel]

that plus video and drawing editing

not sure if that has any affect

[visual notch]

https://www.amazon.com/SK-hynix-Gold-PCIe-Internal/dp/B08DKB5LWY/

That would be my personal recommendation. There are cheaper available if you hunt around..

[untold vessel]

Sweet, thanks a bundle

one last question

[visual notch]

np

yeah?

[untold vessel]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali564/p/N82E16883360194?Item=N82E16883360194

this is the pc I'm getting

ram upgrade recommendations for ~$100?

32 Gigs if feasible?

no rgb, no fancy stuff, just pure performance

[visual notch]

RAM isn't exactly my department, but I'd just recommend a good kit of GSkill Trident etc.

[untold vessel]

yeah gskill seems to be the ultimate sweetspot

[visual notch]

Either that or the venerated Crucial Ballistix

If you can find it

[strong raft]

Another vote for the P31, and if you can't easily get ballistix then yea G.skill is overall pretty solid. Ballistix is EOL but doesn't hurt to get it. Plenty of stock around and if ram isn't doa then it's usually good for a long time.

[south cliff]

Should I buy this used 6700xt for 420 467 after shipping and taxes?

Or should I wait and see if I can get 3070

Well nvm I just got it

Ez clap

[potent portal]

Not bad at all

[south cliff]

Comes with oh box and all

[mossy venture]

Mp33 and p31 are good choices

Just depends on how much you want to spend

[strong raft]

Yep all about budget. "Save $20", or get pretty much the best gen 3 drive. New pfp for Baka?

[analog pulsar]

Hello

[autumn wolf]

oh no, kenzie is in this chat now

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-teletubby-running-running-late-gif-16009851

[analog pulsar]

I'll come here for help

[jagged ember]

no

[analog pulsar]

Yes

[jagged ember]

you arrive here for help

you need to be JP friendly

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[jagged ember]

thank you

[flint sapphire]

[analog pulsar]

Idk I tried

So I can daisy chain them and just use 1 header

Also logo is that instake

[frank stirrup]

Yes

[analog pulsar]

Okay good

[south cliff]

@frank stirrup I got my 6700xt today

Ordered it actually

[frank stirrup]

Nice

[frank stirrup]

Which one

[south cliff]

Xfx speedster swift 309

[analog pulsar]

I think I messed up the airflow

I'm confused my picture

[autumn wolf]

That first fan is intake, flip it

[frank stirrup]

uve somehow done back intake top exaust

flip the back fan to exaust

and put fans exactly like how the back fan is placed rn, only at the front

for intake

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[south cliff]

Is the model of my 6700xt good?

[frank stirrup]

yeah

[quasi sun]

did u check out jawa for a 6700xt

[frigid night]

@quaint granite I feel like you are in PST.. west coast.

[stuck juniper]

Guys

What case is this

[fossil cedar]

Thermaltake i think

Idk the model

[frigid night]

Oooo I can't wait to get home today and put my build in my white case <3333

[hasty socket]

Hey all got a question if y’all could link me to a somewhat budget friendly gaming pc (under 700$). The only things I really do is play WoW, surf the web, and do a little recording of games. Thanks for the help

[cyan ravine]

wait my bad it's this one: https://global.deepcool.com/products/Cases/fulltowercases/CK560-Mid-Tower-ATX-Case-Airflow/2021/14924.shtml

[fossil cedar]

A prebuilt? What country are you in?

[hasty socket]

Yes if possible and in the US

[mossy venture]

Would you be willing to build it yourself?

If you can, you could do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zjhCwc

[hasty socket]

Never built one but I’d be willing to try

[mossy venture]

Which is better than any pre built you'd get for around that budget

Patos taking a look at pre builts rn atm

So can wait to see what he says

[hasty socket]

Thank you both for helping

[mossy venture]

Under 1k is a difficult point for pre builts

Since most of them have old cpus or gpus, and are much less worth it compared to the $950-1k point

[fossil cedar]

The list baka sent is way better but the only prebuilt I'd recommend under 700 (also open box) would be this, and replace the ram with this ram kit
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali450-challenger/p/N82E16883360034R

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sLvqqs/silicon-power-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-2666-cl19-memory-su016gblfu266bd2j5

[mossy venture]

I second that ^^

Good find on the build

If it were me I'd still do the custom, but I get not wanting to build. Two years ago I was in the same place

[hasty socket]

I appreciate you both. If I was to go with the prebuilt is it easy to swap out the RAM?

[mossy venture]

Very easy, two things have to be flicked, pull the ram out, and then push the new ram in

Requires a bit of force, but nothing crazy

I switched ram in my old pc without having known anything about pcs, so it shouldn't be an issue

[hasty socket]

Don’t have to download anything to update it or anything like that?

[mossy venture]

Nope

Well, have to turn something on in bios, but it would have to be turned on either way

Since the ram will run at a lower speed without doing so, limiting performance

Oh wait

Maybe not, I dont think 10100 supports xmp

Yeah nvm it doesn't on that motherboard

Ignore what I said, you just have to put it in and you're good

[hasty socket]

Sweet! I appreciate both of y’all’s help so much! @mossy venture @fossil cedar

[mossy venture]

Happy to

[fossil cedar]

Nope no need to even touch the bios, but the one baka put together is a lot better @hasty socket

Np

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar does fans go on inside out outside inside the mesh panel

[frigid night]

You nolifed this server until Legend rank and you don't know how to build?

Not dogging you.. just curious.

[viral ore]

kenzie doesnt know how to do much tbh

[analog pulsar]

@frigid night one thing from seeing stuff and another for the experience

Plus I never seen/built in this case before

Plus idk if it's better to have fans on inside or outside

[frigid night]

I honestly thought that you've built a few pc already

[analog pulsar]

No

Well like 3 I built

[frigid night]

What case is this?

[analog pulsar]

Cougar MX331 MESH

[frigid night]

Inside mesh panel

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[frigid night]

Talking about front right?

[analog pulsar]

Yea

[frank stirrup]

Uhhhh sure what about it

:)

[frigid night]

Huhh??

[frank stirrup]

nvm

dw about it

[frank stirrup]

decent case

what u having issues with

[frigid night]

dw about it.

[analog pulsar]

@frigid night

[mossy venture]

Rawr, is clc 360 better than lf2 280?

[analog pulsar]

Fal picked it out its nice

[mossy venture]

I can replace the fans in the clc with p12s that I already own

[frank stirrup]

Think so yeah. Not 100% sure tho. CLC is not asetek design afaik

[mossy venture]

What does asetek design mean?

And afaik the only differences are a slightly thinner rad and the fans aren't as good

[frank stirrup]

wait it is asetek

[frigid night]

Hm. I think you'll be just fine.

[mossy venture]

Clc 360 is $82 rn and lf2 280 is 110

[frigid night]

There is more airflow going through those holes than if you had a rad there

[frank stirrup]

lf will be better

[analog pulsar]

Yea

[mossy venture]

Kinda want to pick it up now in case sale ends

[frank stirrup]

asetek is the oem that designs a general aio structure that almost all aios use

[mossy venture]

Ahh

[frank stirrup]

some aios like lf2 dont use asetek design

thats what really sets em apart

[mossy venture]

And the p360a can fit a 360mm top and front, right?

Or just top

[frank stirrup]

ud have to look it up i dont remember off the top of my head

[mossy venture]

Kk thanks

[frank stirrup]

p400a doesnt support aio at all on the top tho

[frigid night]

This is not a dating site, but damn that voice. 😍

[frank stirrup]

only fron

[mossy venture]

Oh wait I don't think the p360a supports a 360mm at all

Clc 280 it is, $50 less than the lf2

[analog pulsar]

My voice is so raspy I just woke up

[frank stirrup]

Bro theres no way im watching a 1 min video of ur fan config

send 3 pics instead

[analog pulsar]

Lol

[frank stirrup]

one of the front, one of the top and one of the back

[frigid night]

I knowww

[frank stirrup]

Oh wait its not a dating site?! @fossil cedar we have been doing it wrongggg

[frank stirrup]

why top and front intake lol

and like one rear exaust

[analog pulsar]

Airflow

[frank stirrup]

ok now tell me this

[frigid night]

Switch your top to exhaust. And maybe only 1 up there.

[frank stirrup]

you have 4 fans blowing in

and 1 blowing out

how is air flowing out of the case for new air to flow in

[mossy venture]

I second what neo said, top should be exhaust

[analog pulsar]

Yea it's positive pressure setup

[mossy venture]

And back should be exhaust as well

Intakes on the top make no sense

[frank stirrup]

if u want positive pressure, remove rear fan

[mossy venture]

Theyre just pushing hot air back at the gpu and cpu

[frank stirrup]

its not gonna work great anyway tho

just run front intake top exaust

nothing in the rear

there you have positive airflow

[frigid night]

Run everything in the rear..

[frank stirrup]

o-oh

[frigid night]

Oof. I'm tired and still at work. I gotta get off here.

@analog pulsar do what rawr says with the front intake/top exhaust/no rear. That'll give you good airflow. If you have to much intake and not enough exhaust.. all that air has nowhere to go

[frank stirrup]

whats a raqr

[analog pulsar]

Well fatctal torrent has 6 intake and 1 exhaust it's case on gamer nexus youtube

[mossy venture]

Your evil twin

[frigid night]

You. You're raqr

[frank stirrup]

I AM RISEN

[frigid night]

A risen raqr

[frank stirrup]

Ok

last i checked you arent building in the fractal torrent

[analog pulsar]

So why can't my case work same

[frank stirrup]

I dont care enough to explain

just that it doesnt work the same

[frigid night]

Not the same design so the airflow will be different

[frank stirrup]

optimal airflow for each case is different

[frigid night]

I mean though.. Raqr is the kind of person to only put 1 fan in front and one in back and call it a day.

[analog pulsar]

[frank stirrup]

AYO

SHUT

I have at least all front intake filled in all my builds

[frigid night]

All = 1

[frank stirrup]

I have 3 intake and 2 exaust in my build rn

I am lazy but im not that lazy

Having said that tho

[mossy venture]

Woww, more intakes than exhausts, what a nerd

[frank stirrup]

if I ever get a better case like the meshify c ive been looking at, I will run only 3 fans as intake because i cant be bothered

[analog pulsar]

Yea ik that too but also people said you don't want more intake then exhaust and if we do that I'll have 2/3

[frigid night]

When I get home I'm gonna be mounting 13 fans LOL

[frank stirrup]

read my messages pls thanks

[analog pulsar]

Yea but I don't wanna remove it bc it's gunna look weird

[frigid night]

How are you gonna tell that to a gay man?

[analog pulsar]

AYO

[frigid night]

I only jest because I was raised by a gay uncle lol

[frank stirrup]

ok

then dont

run 3 exaust 2 intake

[frigid night]

Can put a fan there, but not plug it in

[frank stirrup]

still a lot better than 1 exaust 4 intake

[frigid night]

Or run it at lowest you can so it looks good, but isn't impeding airflow as much..

[analog pulsar]

Okay

[rich void]

If you have more intake than exhaust (positive pressure setup) that air is gonna find a way out of the case

Positive pressure > negative pressure imo

I would do front intake, top exhaust, rear exhaust

[frigid night]

Yes, but if there is wayyy more intake then its gonna have a harder time pushing that air through.

[rich void]

If they are on an air cooler I would leave the top fan slot in front of the air cooler empty OR make it intake. If it is set up for exhaust it just steals cool air from the air cooler. Doesn't matter for an aio

[rich void]

See my note re: the fan slot on top in front of an air cooler

That one should never be exhaust (I guess it could be exhaust if they do intake rear or something actually, but that's rarely the way to go)

[rich void]

I'd recommend fully populating the front spots for intake, rear exhaust, rear top exhaust, and front top either empty or intake. Should be optimal for your setup assuming you've got an air cooler on your cpu

[analog pulsar]

I think I'm done now I slap back panel and never talk about whats behind it

[rich void]

Flip that front fan up top. You're just taking air in the front and shooting it out the top there, so that's counter productive

It's never making it to your components for the most part

[mossy venture]

Top fans are supposed to be exhaust

[rich void]

The top fan there is just taking air out that was just tossed in by the front fan. It likely actually makes things worse

[mossy venture]

Heat rises, having top as intake would be pushing hot air back at the cpu and gpu

Though tbf it's a 12100f 3050 build, Temps won't be an issue

[rich void]

The fans are going to overcome that property and if you think about the airflow pattern you're better off with no fan there or intake

[frank stirrup]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

not really

[rich void]

They're pushing air in the front and some of it is being pushed back out before it even gets to run over the components

This has been tested

[mossy venture]

Das a lot of h's

[frank stirrup]

it was a long eh

see man the thing is cpu isnt the only component in the pc

sure rear intake front exaust is ideal for the cpu

[rich void]

No, but that airflow is literally just superfluous

[frank stirrup]

but thats no airflow to the gpu

[rich void]

I never recommended rear intake

[analog pulsar]

@rich void

[frank stirrup]

front intake top and rear exaust is the best on average

[rich void]

I said front intake, front top empty/intake, rear top exhaust, rear exhaust

[rich void]

That's what I'm saying, but others are saying front top should be exhaust because ????

[analog pulsar]

I am NOT flipping my fans again its staying 2 intake and 3 exhaust

[frank stirrup]

thats what i said too

also the fans dont create a vaccum

[rich void]

That front top fan is at best unnecessary here
If you flip that one fan it'll be optimal. Everything else should be g2g

[analog pulsar]

Well case can support 5 fans I put all five in

[frank stirrup]

sure a lil bit of air is lost

but getting more hot air out > keeping some cold air in

sock cooler doesnt exaust only from the rear and top

exausts in a circle

[rich void]

I'm not saying it won't work, but people saying top must be exhaust and that all top exhaust is better are mistaken

[frank stirrup]

No sir

they arent

[rich void]

Yessir

If you have a fan in front of the cooler up top it's better to have that on intake

.

[frank stirrup]

in general in a case with decent airflow,

[rich void]

Except that's the wrong comparison

The comparison is:
Getting more hot air out vs. getting more cool air in and running more cool air over components

[fossil cedar]

Crap

[rich void]

You can have all the airflow in the world, but if it's not going over your heatsinks/rads/components it doesn't matter

[frank stirrup]

its not running over any additional components tho?

[fossil cedar]

I was ghost pinged in here

[frank stirrup]

and its not like the top fan creates a vaccum that sucks all the air out?

[rich void]

Yeah it is. Cause the air from the front isn't just getting pulled out

[frank stirrup]

Ugh waste of my vacation ur right go away now

[rich void]

It's not sucking it all out, but it is pulling cool air from the front fan out which is not helpful

[frank stirrup]

@analog pulsar keep ur fan config the way it is

I cant be asked

[rich void]

@fossil cedar you don't want to weigh in on the great case airflow controversy? 😆

[analog pulsar]

I'm gunna stress test computer and see if I get high temps if I don't then we good @rich void okay

[rich void]

We're good either way. I bet your temps will be acceptable as is. If you want to lower em you can flip that one fan. I hope you enjoy your new rig

[fossil cedar]

Haven't read but I'd trust whatever rawr was saying

[frank stirrup]

3 exaust 2 intake is ideal for what u have going

[frank stirrup]

[rich void]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[analog pulsar]

All done only took me 6 HOURS

[rich void]

Better to take it slow and do it methodically than rush it and mess something up.
Looks good!

[fossil cedar]

Owo

[fossil cedar]

Why oof

[rich void]

Cause they're not suggesting the best airflow setup

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar like pc

[fossil cedar]

What is rawr suggesting?

[fossil cedar]

Looks good

[frank stirrup]

2 front in and 3 top and rear out

is better for a case with good airflow

[analog pulsar]

Case is mesh so air going in won't be an issue

[frank stirrup]

He insists you need an intake on the top so it doesnt suck all the air thats going in

lol

[analog pulsar]

Oh no

[rich void]

No. I said top-front empty or intake

[analog pulsar]

Darn it whyyyyyyyy

[frank stirrup]

sure thats true in a case like what i have ill agree with you there

but with a case with good airflow, nah

[fossil cedar]

Can the front fit 3?

[frank stirrup]

nah

2

[rich void]

I've never seen any testing that shows any improvement from front-top exhaust
Any testing I've seen anyone do has shown that it makes things worse

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar

[frank stirrup]

Cougar MX331 MESH

be the case

[rich void]

The tests haven't been perfect unfortunately, would love to see a more scientific review of it

[fossil cedar]

Intake at the top closest to the front isn't a terrible idea as exhaust does take out clean air but I'd just to 2 front , 1 rear, 1 top closest to rear

[frank stirrup]

Look at the case in question

fan up topblows on all components

and also stock cooler so cooler airflow isnt directed

[fossil cedar]

Maybe not top by the front but top by the rear carries out hot air from the cpu anyway

[rich void]

It's a good bit in front of the CPU cooler
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589689072692494356/984800876562620466/20220610_084612.jpg

[fossil cedar]

Ik the case, I'd only use 4 fans instead of 5, if there where 5 i guess I'd just run it in exhaust at lower rpm than the rest

[rich void]

Yeah top rear should just about always be exhaust (roof-front and roof-rear might be clearer terms actually)

[analog pulsar]

Wrong thing

[frank stirrup]

yeah id personally run 2 intake one exaust and call it good

top completely empty

[fossil cedar]

I'd run top by rear in exhaust and leave top front

[rich void]

I think 2/2 might be best here. Rear+roof/rear exhaust, front intake

[analog pulsar]

Gpu very close to front and for matter if sake this pc isn't gunna have high end specs so they won't be running high wattage or stuff

[frank stirrup]

rear exaust better tbh imo

top empty

[analog pulsar]

3080 will run hot yes but it's gunna be changed out for a 3050

[fossil cedar]

No need to not have rear top and rear

[frank stirrup]

huh\

[analog pulsar]

Only reason I'm build this is I need to build 3 pcs or 2 pcs anyway so I started on kids build and I'm gunna use this for the mean time until I get enough money for my other pc

But this pc is more modern so I'm running at least pcie 4.0

And ddr4 at least

[rich void]

They've got 4+ fans so no reason not to mount one in the rear and one in rear-roof

[frank stirrup]

ok but

[rich void]

Yeah that's fair

Personally if it's winter I want more exhaust to warm up my room

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-recreation-cold-parka-hypothermia-gif-4953109

[analog pulsar]

[frank stirrup]

front top without fan would be aight but exaust wouldnt be too far off

[frank stirrup]

out of the 3 pcs ive built, only 1 has all fans spots full

[analog pulsar]

Guys should I download app center

[frank stirrup]

im very lazy

[analog pulsar]

From gigabyte

[frank stirrup]

and i cannot be asked

[frank stirrup]

no need

[sharp temple]

Is this and this compatable, I would assume so but just checking

[frank stirrup]

i never really use it

[analog pulsar]

Oh

[frank stirrup]

Oh btw pato do u work today?

[fossil cedar]

I mean if you have the extra fan you should run top -rear exhaust as well as rear exhaust

[frank stirrup]

yeah but im saying if i had to do it and i didnt have fans, id just put 2 front intake one rear exaust

[analog pulsar]

Which one do I do again

[fossil cedar]

Yes you can?

[analog pulsar]

@frank stirrup btw thanks for help 😁

[fossil cedar]

Yes but you shouldn't buy either

[frank stirrup]

gpt

ntfs

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[frank stirrup]

I can be asked but ill jus ignor

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but they do

[sharp temple]

Well I have the mobo so to late, but the ssd is $89 at micro center

[frank stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mother-great-argument-however-megamind-your-mom-yo-mama-gif-22994712

rekt

[fossil cedar]

Not good for the price

[sharp temple]

So is there another internal ssd that is the same as that price and capacity that's better

[mossy venture]

Mp33 1tb

[frank stirrup]

fr tho pato u working today?

[fossil cedar]

Well you can get same perf for like 73$ or you can get a faster ssd that you probably won't notice

[mossy venture]

Or p31 for $93

[fossil cedar]

@frank stirrup

[frank stirrup]

my bad

[sharp temple]

What is it?

[fossil cedar]

Like baka said ^

[fossil cedar]

Smh

[sharp temple]

Ok

[fossil cedar]

@sharp temple
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6YLrH/team-mp34-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4001t0c101
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xNCFf7/sk-hynix-gold-p31-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-shgp31-1000gm-2

One of those

From "worst" to best

[sharp temple]

What's bad about the first one on your list?

[mossy venture]

It isn't bad, just technichally slower than the other two. Imo nothing you'll notice

Maybe half a second boot time and game loading time

[fossil cedar]

^

[fossil cedar]

Not even tbh

[mossy venture]

mm

[sharp temple]

Yeah that doesn't really bother me, so what are some good 2tb ones that are in the 100-150 range if there is any?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101

[sharp temple]

I may get that to replace my 2tb hd

[analog pulsar]

@fossil cedar what is PL1 and PL2 bc it says PL1 is 125W and PL2 is 241W does that mean cpu can go to 240 watts

@mossy venture I think 16GB isn't enough I'm using 6GB rn on idle 💀

[mossy venture]

debloat time

and 16gb is fine considering its for a kid

they wont be doing anything intensive

[analog pulsar]

No there's nothing installed

[mossy venture]

windows comes with bloatware

[analog pulsar]

Um.....👀

I used different windows

Idk if I'm allowed to say here

Spectre am I allowed to say this

[south cliff]

no I got it off eBay

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sVnWTJ Anyway I could lower the price? Trying to get a useful cooler in with a budget of 310-ish

[obsidian wigeon]

you don't need a cooler

the cpu already comes with one

and it's alright for it

[mossy venture]

I got you, one sec

[little osprey]

Ik it comes with a cooler, question is if it’s good enough

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kQZWGL

12100f same perf as 11400f and cheaper

Ram is better and cheaper