building-and-recc-chat

[potent portal]

There's a few 6900XTs that are short enough

Basically the same performance as the 3080 ti or better

[scarlet lotus]

Really but no DLSS ?

Does it matter?

With no RTX right?

[cyan ravine]

Dlss is not a make or break

[potent portal]

It has RT

And AMD has FSR and RSR instead of DLSS

You only lose the nvenc encoder for streaming

[desert gulch]

Amd 6000 ray tracing is comparable to rtx20 series stuff

So it's not horrible horrible

[scarlet lotus]

But I might also mention

I have monitor that has G-sync

So maybe it’s better to go with nvidia?

[calm dove]

@scarlet lotus you have a 1080p or 1440p monitor ?

[scarlet lotus]

1440p

[potent portal]

Modern gsync is jsut rebranded freesync

[scarlet lotus]

With 165hz g-sync

[calm dove]

So just upgrade ram and psu and buy a good aircooled gpu

[scarlet lotus]

😆Oo

[scarlet lotus]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CqNxFT/gainward-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12-gb-phoenix-video-card-ned308t019kb-132ax
@potent portal told me this so I’ll go with this I guess?

It should fit I believe?

[potent portal]

The front AIO in the small case reduces how long the GPU can be

[cyan ravine]

240 aio would be fine for a 5800X anyway

[mossy venture]

Depends on the aio

And how much you're ocing

240 liquid freezer with a 5800x on stock will be fine

[calm dove]

395 mm max

[mossy venture]

I'd personally go 280mm liquid freezer for anything over 5700x

[potent portal]

Ehhhhh
Only at stock

[mossy venture]

Fal how hot is the 5700x?

[cyan ravine]

320mm~ is max for a gpu in there and you'd need slim fans on the front to make it fit

[potent portal]

It's a 65W so about as hot as the 5600X

[mossy venture]

Thought so

Means it'd be fine on air without ocing?

[potent portal]

What case are you looking at for that? I see 300mm max for the 220T

[mossy venture]

As in a cheapish heatsink

[potent portal]

Totally, even with OC on something like the frost spirit 140

[mossy venture]

Not dark rock 4 pro

[mossy venture]

Sick

Another reason for me to go for it imo

Means I won't need to buy an aio

[vague oracle]

My PC just blue screened saying kernel node corruption or something like that

[calm dove]

This one ? No ?

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Mid-Tower-ATX-Cases/iCUE-220T-RGB-Airflow-Tempered-Glass-Mid-Tower-Smart-Case/p/CC-9011173-WW

[mossy venture]

Don't corrupt your pop corn next time

Aside from that, sfc/scannow imo

Not completely sure what the error is but can't hurt to run it

[scarlet lotus]

Yeah this is the case

Btw I just checked again

[calm dove]

Its 395 mm max

[scarlet lotus]

My gtx 1080 fits

[vague oracle]

Ahh Nevermind, searched it up and it’s because of a memory leak

[potent portal]

The case itself is 395mm, with 300mm max gpu

[scarlet lotus]

It has some what room left

[vague oracle]

love you Tarkov

[mossy venture]

Ah

[scarlet lotus]

Is rtx 3080 much bigger?

Length wise?

[calm dove]

Or just sell your old case

[mossy venture]

Depends on the model

[calm dove]

And buy new high end case

[scarlet lotus]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CqNxFT/gainward-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12-gb-phoenix-video-card-ned308t019kb-132ax

This one

[scarlet lotus]

At this point😆

[mossy venture]

There's a Phoenix 3080 ti?

[scarlet lotus]

Maybe

[mossy venture]

Gross

[scarlet lotus]

😆it looks really ugly tbh

[mossy venture]

It'll fit it seems like

295mm

[cyan ravine]

Tuf 3080 ti would fit too

[scarlet lotus]

Do u guys have better 😆🤣

[calm dove]

Link

[potent portal]

The liquid cooler on the front reduces this

[mossy venture]

Oh didn't see they had one

[potent portal]

The same page you linked

[mossy venture]

Won't fit then

[scarlet lotus]

Dem😕

[cyan ravine]

So really you'd be better off with a 240 on top or an air cooler/different case altogether

[mossy venture]

Could the aio be switched to top mount?

[calm dove]

Why the gpu is 294 mm

[scarlet lotus]

Sadly no

Only two fans can go on top

[mossy venture]

Aio front mount reduces the space for the gpu

[calm dove]

https://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=1129&lang=en

[scarlet lotus]

This is 3 fan aio

[mossy venture]

12 or 14

Do you already have the aio?

[potent portal]

Here's the models that will fit https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=505,498&L=69000000,281000000&sort=price

[scarlet lotus]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3LscbK @mossy venture

[mossy venture]

This doesn't answer my question

Do you already have the aio

[potent portal]

You could wait for AMD to restock their reference model, they do every thursday at 9 CST

[cyan ravine]

The absolute max space across without fans is like 335mm in the case if I remember me trying it all those months ago

[scarlet lotus]

Oo sorry, no I only have on AIO for the cpu

[mossy venture]

Thats...

Nvm

[potent portal]

You'd get it for around 850-900 pounds with international shipping

And yes it's plenty short enough

267mm

[scarlet lotus]

Just looked at my pc now

This is how little space I have Xd

[cyan ravine]

Hmm

Yeah the reference models are much shorter

[still roost]

Spice#9325 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[scarlet lotus]

Ooops

[cyan ravine]

Much better off going AMD

[scarlet lotus]

Idk couldn’t curse Xd

[still roost]

Spice#9325 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

Spice#9325 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[scarlet lotus]

Ooo

Well I got kicked

Sorry about that

[potent portal]

rip
To answer the deleted question though lol, GPUs keep getting bigger because moore's law no longer applies

Moore's law has to do with things getting smaller as they get more powerful

[scarlet lotus]

Yeah I understand

It was more like I was frustrated 😆

[potent portal]

But we're basically at the physical limit of science, it can't get smaller

[scarlet lotus]

Well any advice on case then?

Maybe bigger Corsair case?

[potent portal]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/bCYQzy/corsair-4000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011200-ww

[scarlet lotus]

All my current fans are Corsair anyways

[calm dove]

Just get a big case

Easy

[scarlet lotus]

Yeah I was eyeing this one as well

[potent portal]

360mm max on this one

Plenty of room even for a big gpu

[scarlet lotus]

👍 thanks a lot guys I made a list of the stuff

[potent portal]

Happy to help

[scarlet lotus]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2QwrDq
This is the result

[potent portal]

And you had the 5800X already right?

Looks pretty good to me

[scarlet lotus]

Yep

[calm dove]

Or you can sell the aio and get an nh-d15

And keep your old case

@potent portal good ?

[scarlet lotus]

Actually

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 GAMING OC 10GB V2 LHR Graphics Card https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B096Y36BM3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_PKE10D4WN2DXZ9WGSPHG

Can I got for this?

Because I need to change cases now

Need to spend the money on that now

[potent portal]

The 5800X is one of the hottest CPUs in existence, higher hotspot temps than the 5950X

[calm dove]

Okey

[potent portal]

Only the 12700k and 12900k are hotter

[mossy venture]

how hot is the 12900k comparatively?

nvm

[potent portal]

Depends on the load but an all core load like cinebench you'll be melting with air cooling

[scarlet lotus]

Are u talking to me Fal?

Oo nvm

[scarlet lotus]

You think this is good option @potent portal

[strong raft]

Yeah 12900K/KS is pretty much the "hottest" afaik.

[mossy venture]

figures

i still want a 12/13th gen cpu with all e cores

or 4 and 4

[potent portal]

It's lower tier than the 3080 ti/6900XT and 320mm, but saves you a little money. Up to you.

[scarlet lotus]

Yeah it’s is but, I will need to change cases so will have to divert some of the money spent to change of cases

[potent portal]

True. And it's really not that much less powerful than 3080 ti.

[scarlet lotus]

Yeah that’s why I wanted to change it. But I wanted confirm it with you. If you think this is good 3080 to go with

[potent portal]

In that case save even more money and go for this https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/MXYmP6/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-lhr-10-gb-gaming-z-trio-video-card-rtx-3080-gaming-z-trio-10g-lhr

One of the better MSI models

Has a good stock overclock and everything

[scarlet lotus]

It’s the same price with the other one, on Amazon. My company wants me to prefer to use one seller. Less work for me too

[potent portal]

In that case still go with the MSI

[scarlet lotus]

Corsair RM850x 80 PLUS Gold, 850 Watts, Fully Modular ATX Power Supply Unit - Black https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07B71JV8T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Y3DGRWR67WP1A3TWT0Q7

Fully modular better?

[mossy venture]

id look for rmx instead of rm, leadex III, d.f

[potent portal]

Not really

@mossy venture That is the RMx

[mossy venture]

i thought the x was before the wattage for the A tier one

[scarlet lotus]

I just wanted to ask for better cable management

[potent portal]

Nope, it's more accurate to call it RM-x

[mossy venture]

ahh

[scarlet lotus]

Also I found this

MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Ti GAMING X TRIO 12G Gaming Graphics Card - RTX 3080, TriFrozr Fan, 12GB GDDR6X, 384 bit, PCI Express Gen 4, DisplayPort v1.4a, HDMI 2.1, Frozr, 4K https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0957TV4YR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_7X9QVD3HEY3HY2KXXFR2

I can go for this actually

Should I?

[potent portal]

Semi modular only means the CPU and motherboard cables are permanent. The others are added in. Cable management is the same.

[potent portal]

The only reason to go full modular is if you wanted to replace with custom cables, which corsair does have

[mossy venture]

thats an... interesting review

[scarlet lotus]

Power supply’s come with cables right?

[mossy venture]

yes

and theyre psu specific

dont use cables from one psu for a diff one

[scarlet lotus]

I just ask because my old power supply is not modular at all

And I hate it

Never bought modular one before so just wondered if I hate to buy cables as well😆

[mossy venture]

nope

[scarlet lotus]

What about this Fal’Cie

[scarlet lotus]

Yeah I think I would like to have some nice cables later on

[potent portal]

You can get extensions no matter what psu you have, but custom cables are different. Most people want extensions.

[potent portal]

That's almost 1600 pounds

[scarlet lotus]

1429£ actually Xd

[potent portal]

Where do you see 1429? Refresh your page

[mossy venture]

3080 ti is like 3% better than 3080 12gb

not worth the money

[scarlet lotus]

This is what I got

[potent portal]

Refresh, I think that sold out of that price. It's only third party scalpers that have it.

[little osprey]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/727862371576922/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_top_picks&referral_story_type=top_picks

look legit?

$160 for 6gb 1060

[potent portal]

Ugh gonna make me sign into facebook

[scarlet lotus]

Still there

I refreshed

[little osprey]

the seller looks legit

they got other misc pc part listings

[potent portal]

Still not worth that price

[little osprey]

hold up theres a ton of 1060 6gb for this price

i guess i havent been keeping up with prices

[potent portal]

That's still way higher than the price should be for 3080 ti

[scarlet lotus]

This one?

Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Ti GAMING OC 12GB Graphics Card https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B095X51RHY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_GQ4CDTVN71S3K366KKEY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[potent portal]

Consider that the msrp for the 3080 ti is 924 pounds

Being generous, 100-200 pound over that is the max I'd pay

[restive halo]

Anyone know anything about the Apevia Prodigy case?

[little osprey]

No, but do you have a more specific question that we can answer concerning that case

[restive halo]

I just finished the build and the colors just keep rotating I can't get solid color I need

[little osprey]

ill see if i can find some answers 👍🏻

[restive halo]

Thanks I keep trying things but I am now just irritated lol

[little osprey]

Did you make sure that you connected at least one male connector from a fan is in the LEDSW connector from the front panel

and the fan or fan cable labeled "isolated interface" should be plugged DIRECTLY into the power supply

[crude onyx]

Just curious, how much do people typically spend on their whole setup?

[little osprey]

ranges from sub 1k to like 10k

or even more

its entirely dependent on your budget

[crude onyx]

Now I feel weak for buying a $20 mouse

[little osprey]

Nah you're fine

Lol

It just wont be the best of the best

but it'll work

[restive halo]

@little osprey

@little osprey

[little osprey]

is there software for controlling it?

sw might stand for software...

[restive halo]

@little osprey button on top

[little osprey]

not sure if this is helpful

op seems to have hit a dead end

[regal dust]

i spent around 5k(cad) could be more on my set up

[crude onyx]

Sheesh

Mine was 800 bucks total

[earnest olive]

SW most definitely stands for switch in this context

[earnest olive]

pressing it doesn't cycle effects?

[frank stirrup]

@left urchin that build is the worst ive seen in a while

u can do a LOT better in the same budget

[left urchin]

Lol i figured but im new to this so yee

[frank stirrup]

whats the budget exactly and u in the us right?

ill throw together a list

[left urchin]

I've never built a pc b4

[frank stirrup]

DO NOT buy that crap

[left urchin]

Anything under $1,400

[frank stirrup]

ok cool

and u in the us yeah?

[left urchin]

That build is 1,200 but the monitors like 500 and yea

[frank stirrup]

ok cool

1 sec

[left urchin]

Thanks man

As long as i have a i7 and 32GB ram im good

i7 is like the lowest i wanna go

[desert gulch]

12700k is a good deal rn so that works good

[desert gulch]

so you stream and edit and stuff?

[left urchin]

Yuh

[desert gulch]

aight

live near a microcenter?

[left urchin]

Closest ones like nearly 2hrs away lol

[desert gulch]

oof okay

[left urchin]

Yea lol I'm more of a mechanic but ive always wanted to build a gaming pc too

[frank stirrup]

1400 with monitor?

or without?

can u use the monitor u have rn

[left urchin]

Without

[frank stirrup]

cool

[left urchin]

I have a tv rn lol

[frank stirrup]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DPttnt

do this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dHV3yK
With monitor

[left urchin]

Bet man thanks

[desert gulch]

way too spendy of psu

cooler may also be inconsistent but who knows tbh

and case is way too spendy

$110 for a p400a aint worth imo

and also amd direct has 6700xt for $480 on drops, theyre fairly easy to get

[frank stirrup]

not really

[frank stirrup]

it comes with all the fans u need

[frank stirrup]

isnt

[frank stirrup]

ehhhh

[desert gulch]

$110 for a 750w is kinda overpriced

[frank stirrup]

twas in the list i edited

didnt bother changing

[desert gulch]

coldplate could be convex or flat, who knows

[frank stirrup]

dw about it lol\

[desert gulch]

at least the lga1700 bracket included is metal instead of plastic

like the se has

tbf you could just throw a 214xt on the 12400f and save a bunch of money

itll easily handle it

[frank stirrup]

not a bunch

and the pa leaves upgrades

[desert gulch]

if you get a flat coldplate, not much

[frank stirrup]

also instead of arguing and pointing mistakes every time u can be helpful for once and provide alternatives

if u cant, dont bother helping

[desert gulch]

i just did

214xt

its $20 on amazon and great for the price

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-SE-214-XT-Addressable-Motherboard-Compatible/dp/B09FDWPCWZ

[frank stirrup]

and the peerless assassin is 20$ more and far superior

it can also do a 12600k just fine

[desert gulch]

its over double the price

[frank stirrup]

20$

[desert gulch]

for something theyll prolly never use

pcpp being dumb again smh

it doesnt even have 214xt listed as compatible cooler

[frank stirrup]

if u think u can do better ur free to but i stand by that list maybe except the psu

that could be cheaper

[desert gulch]

ill take my own spin on it ig

[frank stirrup]

and next time dont waste urs or my time pointing out what u think are flaws but really arent

either make changes and provide ur own alternative to the list

or dont say anything

thanks

[desert gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7KPxsL

thats my spin on it

could prolly find better value psu

but i just found one i knew was good

prolly another cheaper b tier or somethin

Could alter it a bit aswell if I knew exactly what he wanted with the PC

But I just added igp cause why not for 10 bucks, it'll help him a bit with streaming or whatevs

[frank stirrup]

igpu good call

12400 didnt show up for me for some reason lol

[desert gulch]

Idk how serious of a streamer he is

[desert gulch]

Lol yeah pcpp needs to fix their site

[frank stirrup]

will help with primere pro either way

[desert gulch]

The lga1700 cooler thing is so annoying

[frank stirrup]

quick sync

[desert gulch]

Ye

If he's a really serious content creator could probs squeeze a 12700k in there maybe?

It'd be tight ig cause it'd need better cooler than 214xt

Hmm

[frank stirrup]

ehh

bettr to start off with good cooler and cpu with upgrade path

[desert gulch]

If he's a serious content creator may be worth going Nvidia too

True

But b660 won't support raptor right?

So it's EOL after 12th gen?

[frank stirrup]

Idk why it shouldnt

unsure tho

raptor will still be lga 1700

[desert gulch]

I was reading something that said only z690 might

Idk, I'll have to read up on it

[frank stirrup]

ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rqqsLs

there

[desert gulch]

Wait wtf

Did mp33 just go up 5 bucks in price since I may my list?

Lmao, that's quick.

Whatever, still decent price

List looks good

The GPU is basically guaranteed to be gotten within 3 weeks if you actually go to the drops at the right time

[unique rapids]

Hello. Does anyone know if the ASUS X570-P motherboard needs some bios update for it to run the Ryzen 5 5600G APU? I bought the motherboard 2 years ago.

[desert gulch]

If you haven't updated it in the last year, it'll need updated?

It also depends what bios version you updated it with if you did update it

[potent portal]

You need bios version 3001 from December 2020 at a minimum

The good news is you don't need a stepping version, you can just jump straight to the latest or whichever one you choose

[formal girder]

Oof someone was having severe overheating issues and asked if I could see what was wrong and this is the first thing I see

A 3700X and a 2070 in a h510 with a 120mm aio

And they asked what thermal paste was

[frank stirrup]

first thing i saw was ketchup and mustard

[formal girder]

I honestly prefer performance over aesthetics

So they currently got a 4000D airflow and a LF2 280mm on the way and I gave them a full tube of arctic mx 5 thermal paste

[cyan ravine]

second cable?

[strong raft]

That's fine if it's probably a 2060, but of course not recommended.

[formal girder]

2070

[strong raft]

It's been fine though for a while I figure.

[formal girder]

Instead of calling me or giving me a text to my phone he got ahold of me by getting me on vrchat and he crashed immediately when he told me he was having PC issues badly and didn't know what to do

[earnest olive]

honestly I'm willing to bet that overheating issues would have been solved by removing the two front fans, running the aio in push pull as top exhaust, and putting one of the front fans as rear exhaust

and making sure there's thermal paste on the cpu

the h510 is designed to run a negative pressure setup

it obviously still wouldn't have been an optimal setup because, well it's an h510, but it would've cost 5 bucks max

h510's problem is primarily with cpu temps, and a 3700x is not a difficult cpu to cool

[mossy venture]

leadex iii 750 is down to $75

also it doesnt show up on pcp but segotep gp 700w is $55 on amazon which is nice

[fossil cedar]

Why 12400 z690??

[mossy venture]

yeah id do 12600k b660

for that much of a diff in cpu its worth having less upgradability

why is pcp not showing 12th gen cpus lmao

id also go for 3060 ti instead, considering theyre streaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jr3C6r id go for this and try for a 3060 ti or 3070

[frank stirrup]

Wasnt recommend was just showung ryan is possible

[frank stirrup]

Pogr

[fossil cedar]

Huh why wouldn't it be possible lol

[frank stirrup]

budget

dw aboot it

[fossil cedar]

aight lol

[heavy atlas]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yYGcZZ

What’s a good gpu for this build v

?*

[earnest olive]

LF2 360 seems like a bit of an overkill cooler on a 5600X

[heavy atlas]

Can you put me together a build?

[earnest olive]

$146.72 is way too expensive for that board

and ballistix is discontinued

[heavy atlas]

I already got that board

[earnest olive]

oh

what components do you already have

[heavy atlas]

And the ballistix

And the 5600x

So I got the 5600x the board and the ram

[earnest olive]

is that everything?

[heavy atlas]

That’s all I have atm

[earnest olive]

what's your budget for the rest of the build

including gpu

also what is this flash drive for? lol

[heavy atlas]

My budget excluding the parts I already have is 800

[earnest olive]

okay cool

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pVYrDq so here's a $300 basis for your build, with the remaining $500 you can easily buy a 3060/6600XT, should be able to get a 3060Ti/6700XT

that psu is B- tier, will be able to handle the 3060Ti/6700XT no problems

kept the same number of rgb fans

[heavy atlas]

Will it all run good together?

[earnest olive]

and the usb drive lol

if it didn't why would i make the list

[heavy atlas]

Ok my ba

[mossy venture]

Segotep gp 700w is 55 on amazon rn, for some reason it doesn't show on pcp

Not a huge diff anyways

[earnest olive]

is it the B tier version or the C- tier version?

[mossy venture]

from what i can tell its b tier, but i could be wrong

[fossil cedar]

700w gp is b tier

[strong raft]

Is pretty much the only reason to not actually get ballistix now is that in the near future getting a warranty/replacement from Crucial would be.... interesting?

[fossil cedar]

nahh ram hardly ever just dies

[rose torrent]

@earnest olive sips help me out man, I need your wisdom

[little osprey]

?

What’s up

others may be able to help

[rose torrent]

I wanted a second opinion on why my 12900KS is consuming 328W at 1.3v, when my 12900K non-S was consuming 292 watts at the same voltage

[strong raft]

True, perhaps Crucial will have some stock for a while or worst case would give a similar kit. Only was a short though because I bought from Ebay.

[fossil cedar]

Probably just 12900ks pulling more amps

[earnest olive]

could be a leakier chip

[rose torrent]

@fossil cedar is that good or bad?

[earnest olive]

leakier chips are usually able to clock higher I believe (as long as you can cool them)

[rose torrent]

oh okay, so im guessing that means that this 12900KS is most likely better bin than my 12900k from before?

[fossil cedar]

most likely

[earnest olive]

you'd certainly hope so

[fossil cedar]

unless you got a godly 12900k

[earnest olive]

have you tried pushing it yet?

[fossil cedar]

if you have an asus board SP rating is easy way of "binning" chips

[potent portal]

Unlikely since Intel started binning the 12900k for the S sku

[rose torrent]

yeah, with AVX enabled they both crash at 5.4 on real bench

[fossil cedar]

unlikely but possible

[rose torrent]

I got my 12900K in November

[potent portal]

True, if it's an early sample it's more likely

[rose torrent]

so in my case its a bit more complicated

[rose torrent]

Yeah I stuck with MSI this gen

[earnest olive]

SP values are different between 12900K and 12900KS

[desert gulch]

Pro a?

[earnest olive]

you can't directly compare them

[rose torrent]

this is also true

at least from what i heard from buildzoid

[earnest olive]

SP values are an interpretation of the V/F curve

and the 12900KS has a different curve

[rose torrent]

MPG EDGE WIFI DDR4

[desert gulch]

Oh nice

Was gonna hope you didn't shell out $2000 for a godlike

Lol

[rose torrent]

Yeah, missing the post code and cmos reset button from my b550 board tho lol

[rose torrent]

oh hell no

[desert gulch]

It's on sale now

It's only $1200

[earnest olive]

godlike good value now :)

[desert gulch]

Picking one up for my 12100f rn

[rose torrent]

yeah at that price point id probably just look exclusively at the EVGA boards

[desert gulch]

Ye

[rose torrent]

man

I hope I dont end up selling my 12900K and finding out later that i threw away the better chip

[desert gulch]

Only one way to find out

Oc time

[rose torrent]

i tried lol, they both crashed at 5.3 ghz all core 1.3v

on prime 95

and the both stabled 5.2 all core and 1.3v

[desert gulch]

How tf you even cool that

P95 throttles anything lol

[stoic island]

Typically slightly less so on Intel than AMD

[desert gulch]

Still

It's a 12900ks

[rose torrent]

see now theres an intersting thing behind that

[desert gulch]

So much power, so much heat

[stoic island]

alder lake did take also off avx 512

[earnest olive]

I saw a custom looped i3-10100 once

[desert gulch]

Bruh 😭

[earnest olive]

wanted to slap the dude fr

[stoic island]

sounds like a hwbot guy

[desert gulch]

Find the pic

Please

[rose torrent]

the 12900k kept the clocks at 5.2 P and 4.0 E throughout the whole p95 EVEN THOUGH it had a red Yes in the thermal throttling detector

[desert gulch]

Lol knew it

And that's on a lf2 420?

[earnest olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102940078505984/843268205698351134/Screenshot_20210515-162634.png

[rose torrent]

A lf2 420 with 6 Push and Pull fans

[desert gulch]

Washer modded?

[rose torrent]

averaging 97C at 292 Watts

in p95

[stoic island]

looks like someone wanted to sell their build but keep their cpu&gpu lol

[rose torrent]

yes

[desert gulch]

You're almost at ln2 point

[earnest olive]

maybe

[rose torrent]

@fossil cedar @stoic island @earnest olive

[strong raft]

And/or a "hws" guy, ya. 🤣

[rose torrent]

my 12900ks data during P95

[stoic island]

fun

[earnest olive]

102C

yum

[strong raft]

Jeez that 12900k(s) is hot.

[rose torrent]

Yeah this one is the KS

Thats why i was so confused

the power draw is way higher than my K at the same voltage

[rose torrent]

its still enable-able in my boards bios

or well

at least "AVX-Support" is

[stoic island]

They removed the option a few months back iirc

[potent portal]

They're also adding in the kill switch for that which will fuse off the AVX512 hardware if you try to use it

[fossil cedar]

true i forgot about that

[earnest olive]

smh bad teckie

if you can't get the 12900KS past 5.2 all core

try running it stock and see if you can undervolt at all

isn't 5.2 all core the stock speed?

with single core boosts up to 5.5?

[brittle copper]

Yes I think so

[earnest olive]

so it seems a bit pointless to do 5.2 all core manual

[fossil cedar]

sounds about right... got an arcitc 360 on it?

[earnest olive]

see how much voltage it wants to draw at stock

and then see if you can undervolt

if neither chip wants to do 5.3 maybe the goal is to see how efficient you can get 5.2 on each

[desert gulch]

420

With 6 fans in a push pull

[fossil cedar]

ahh nice

[desert gulch]

So he basically turned a lf2 into a ek elite

[earnest olive]

lol so many names for turbo

[potent portal]

So basically yes*

[brittle copper]

Holy

Well this is unexpected

[earnest olive]

so yeah run stock and see what voltage it's running at

might be lower than 1.3

[brittle copper]

Something must be wrong

It’s running 5.2 all core in p95 at 60 C

[earnest olive]

check effective clocks/power draw?

[potent portal]

P95 is an unrealistic test, maybe do cinebench loop instead?

[brittle copper]

Oh you’re right

Man this is weird

Why is the power draw and effected clocks so much lower

[potent portal]

Heat

Mostly

If it asks for less voltage it gets less hot, and vice versa

[brittle copper]

Yeah but like

The thing is drawing 48W

[stoic island]

Might just be doing the max single core boost thing or something

[brittle copper]

What in the world

Nah all cores are showing 5.2 GHz

All p cores at least

[earnest olive]

did you accidentally set it to run on one thread instead of all

[potent portal]

48W where? Package?

[stoic island]

Smallfft w avx on?

[brittle copper]

Yeah

[brittle copper]

Yes

[potent portal]

That's gotta be bugged

[earnest olive]

what are the effective clocks

[brittle copper]

I’ll screenshot

[earnest olive]

...

that's not effective clocks

your effective clocks are minimized

[rose torrent]

oh wait

the box is blocking it

my bad

[earnest olive]

it says average effective clock 545.9mhz

there's the problem lol

10.7% cpu usage

...

click the arrow to expand effective clocks

[earnest olive]

and there you go

[rose torrent]

so why are they so different?

what is going on here?

[potent portal]

Looks like single core workload to me

Maybe some of the threads crashed

[earnest olive]

check the prime95 window

[rose torrent]

i restarted p95

[rose torrent]

the results are not good

[earnest olive]

what if you did what I asked instead of pinging me so much with screenshots that were not what I asked for

[rose torrent]

I'm trying to hurry this up dude, I checked the prime95 window and it wasnt responding so i restarted it

that screnshot is the new results from it actually running correctly

[frank stirrup]

If ur in a hurry dont overclok

Use stock

Overclocking takes time

[rose torrent]

Thats not really applicable to this, considering the initial problem has been fixed

something was wrong with p95 and now its working correctly with the expected power draw, albeit showing bad yet expected effective clocks

I fixed the problem myself, so I moved back to the original issue at hand

[jagged trail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ if i put in a reg 3060 would it bottleneck?

would i have to go up to a 12400?

[potent portal]

Wrong link

You want the one just above the parts on the left

[jagged trail]

yeah oops

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6z6sLs

[potent portal]

That power supply is a bomb

Literally

Besides that you'd be fine to put a 3060 in there

[jagged trail]

rly?

[desert gulch]

Yeah fine list other than psu

[jagged trail]

okie

[potent portal]

I'd do this power supply instead, B tier instead of F https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VGc48d/cooler-master-masterwatt-650w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-mpx-6501-amaab-us

[jagged trail]

k ty

[stoic island]

btw I think that's tier C?

[potent portal]

It's either low B or C, their model naming kinda sucks

[stoic island]

Looks like it's the same thing as masterwatt tuf

[potent portal]

Either way good enough for a 12100 + 3060

[stoic island]

very little data

[desert gulch]

Segotep gpp600 is only $50 btw too

On Amazon

[potent portal]

But is it modular?

[desert gulch]

No

[stoic island]

I just don't like what seems to be an old psu without much data

XPG Pylon 650w for 60$ also works, also tier c, but at least we know what it is

cwt csb-a

[desert gulch]

Asus tuf 650 should be $60

[potent portal]

Could get the old standby CX-M for $5 more then

[grave void]

Hi

[desert gulch]

Cxm can have coil whine tho

Mine has coil whine

[grave void]

is this a ok pc to play Fortnite https://www.amazon.ca/Dell-Computer-Desktop-Processor-Keyboard/dp/B014KIYQZW/ref=sr_1_12?crid=1Z5FJUJCUV5S8&keywords=dell%2Boptiplex%2Bgaming%2Bpc&qid=1650128798&sprefix=dell%2Boptiplex%2Bgaming%2Bpc%2Caps%2C82&sr=8-12&th=1

[desert gulch]

Would not reccomend a cxm

[potent portal]

No, that's a 6 year old computer with no GPU

[grave void]

my cousin wants it

would it be ok to only run fortnite

[potent portal]

No

[stoic island]

not gonna be a fun experience

[grave void]

ok lol

[stoic island]

unless you like slideshows

[grave void]

oh

[potent portal]

Maybe 10 fps at 720p if you're lucky

[grave void]

good to know

[jagged trail]

lmfao

[desert gulch]

@potent portal https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MV7FBPS/

Not modular

But it's a b tier unit and decent price

The 550w version is $10 cheaper too

Which would be fine for a 3060

[grave void]

is this a good gaming pc

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali560/p/N82E16883360190?Item=N82E16883360190

[desert gulch]

Seems overpriced

Even for cad

[potent portal]

Yes but not a good price

[grave void]

oh well I have it rn

[desert gulch]

I mean it'll perform great it's just a little more than I'd wanna pay for it

[grave void]

ya it runs good

I can stream and play games and really good graphics

[stoic island]

would rather have that be like 1500cad

but parts are fine

[grave void]

there was a bad part to this system though

[desert gulch]

Case?

[grave void]

the cpu cooler was https://www.newegg.ca/thermaltake-ux100-argb-lighting-cl-p064-al12sw-a/p/N82E16835106593

[desert gulch]

CPU cooler?

[little osprey]

the cooler is lacking

[grave void]

case is good

ya

[little osprey]

case is acceptable

[grave void]

ran at 100+

[desert gulch]

Case is aight

[grave void]

Celsius

[little osprey]

Yikes

you upgrade the cooler?

[grave void]

I dont have a problem with a case

ya

I had to

[little osprey]

whatd you upgrade to

hyper 212

[grave void]

yes

https://www.newegg.ca/cooler-master-hyper-212-rgb-black-edition-rr-212s-20pc-r1/p/N82E16835103277?Item=N82E16835103277

[little osprey]

no way

[grave void]

is that good or bad

[little osprey]

acceptable

[grave void]

I mean it is much quitter and cooler

well newegg sent it to me for free

[little osprey]

wait fr?

[grave void]

I didnt even need a rma

[desert gulch]

Oh then that's a nice deal

[little osprey]

i was gonna say its not priced nice but if you got it for free

[grave void]

ya

I was able to convince them to make an acceptation on the rma

after I went through a few support agents

[jagged trail]

noice

[grave void]

any comments on this case

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali621/p/N82E16883360286

lol

[potent portal]

Looks like a hotbox

Oh bottom intake only, interesting

[grave void]

yes

lol

anyone have a good keyboard and mouse and mouse pad. just wireless or a wireless and plug in option

[potent portal]

In what budget range for all 3?

And I'm assuming for gaming

[grave void]

yes

idk whats a price for a good keyboard and mouse

and mousepad

[potent portal]

You could get something simple and cheaper like the G Pro Superlight mouse

Or go high end $200 mouse

[grave void]

could you help me find a cheaper and high end one

[potent portal]

Keyboards aren't my area so no comments on those from me

[grave void]

alright

I was looking at Logitech but idk

[potent portal]

G502 is decent enough

[grave void]

ya

do you know where the charging mousepads are

like where they sell them

[potent portal]

And when it breaks (it will) their warranty process is good enough

[grave void]

it will break???

[potent portal]

Eventually, after so many clicks, the switches for the buttons loosen and it starts double clicking when you click, and you can't drag

[grave void]

is it cheap or is that normal

[potent portal]

I play MMOs with lots of clicks so I killed mine in 9 months lol

[grave void]

lol

[potent portal]

That's normal for Logitech

[grave void]

ok

thx

one more thing

[potent portal]

Other brands use other switches

[grave void]

i see

well is this a good headset

https://www.newegg.ca/black-logitech-g635/p/N82E16826197333?Item=N82E16826197333

[potent portal]

I'd say no https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/logitech/g635-gaming-headset

[grave void]

why is that

I looked at a bunch of headsets and this seemed like the best one

[potent portal]

It's not great quality sound. The build quality is fine, if a little hot on the ears.

And if you wear glasses it's definitely not for you

[grave void]

whats a good gaming headset

I would want one where you can pull the mic down and stuff and with rgb

ok

k

[potent portal]

Yeah that one is a good entry level headset

[grave void]

k

[analog pulsar]

i liked my hyper x until the clip on the 7.1 box thing broke

[grave void]

ya

[stoic island]

you could grab a keychron board

[left urchin]

Should i get a 3050 or 3040

[little osprey]

What

3040 doesnt exist

[potent portal]

Considering one exists and the other doesn't...

[little osprey]

id go with the 3050... but like

lmao

[restive halo]

Fans above the psu should be out take correct?

On the psu shroud

[potent portal]

On what case?

[restive halo]

Corsair Master box 500

[potent portal]

There's not meant to be a fan there. The grille is just in case you decide to flip the power supply so it's fan up.

[restive halo]

I know the customer wants it. I tried to explain otherwise

[potent portal]

There's not even screw holes to put a fan

Just the honeycomb mesh

[restive halo]

Same at the top

[potent portal]

Well if they must have a fan there doing nothing then you would have the power supply facing down and the fan blowing upwards towards the GPU

[restive halo]

Power Supply fan toward the bottom facing the vent and the fans facing toward the gpu?

[potent portal]

Yes, so the psu pulls cool air straight from the bottom vent and the fan above doesn't interfere

[restive halo]

👍

Thought so

[potent portal]

You probably want to set it to minimum speed on that fan too lol

Since it's not really doing anything anyway

[restive halo]

Lol

They want it more for the rgb I think

[potent portal]

They make RGB strips for that 🤦‍♂️

[restive halo]

Lol I think he had bought all the fans on a deal and did not want to spend money on strip to

[potent portal]

That would almost make sense at least

Well, the customer is always right. Even when they're wrong.

[restive halo]

Lol unfortunately

Almost done with this other build

[ruby umbra]

I'm dumb af

Whats this for

[left urchin]

Bruh my friend told me to go with a 3040 y ppl gotta mess with me lol

Ion trust anyone no mo 😂

I showed him my build and he said nah dont get a 3050 go with the one before it its a 3040

And to go with a i7 with a K in it bc it can be overclocked

[desert gulch]

for a gaming build thats horrible horrible advice lol

a i7 k series with a less than 3050?

[potent portal]

The slot? It's a PCI-e slot, most people put a GPU there

[little osprey]

Hold up what’re you getting?

[left urchin]

Thats what i was sayin

[desert gulch]

the heatsink thing?

[left urchin]

I got a i7 k series idk

[little osprey]

I can make a list for you if you would like some extra input

[desert gulch]

its a heatsink you can put a m.2 drive under

[ruby umbra]

The black thing over the slit

Slot

[desert gulch]

it basically removes heat off the drive

[ruby umbra]

Not slit

[desert gulch]

so itll run cooler

[mossy venture]

What's your budget?

For the whole build

[little osprey]

^

and did you buy any parts yet

[left urchin]

Around 1,300 to 1,500

No not yet i canceled it bc everyone was sayin it was a bad build

[potent portal]

USD?

[left urchin]

I dont wanna spend more than 2,000

Yea

Bc my moniter im buying is 500

[little osprey]

do you prefer rgb

[left urchin]

Eh don't matter but would be nice

[little osprey]

3060ti is a little overpriced

but any 3060ti will do (i'd stay away from the ventus tho)

[desert gulch]

msi b660m a is a better board for same price

[little osprey]

oh is it

[desert gulch]

plus is he wants wifi, the wifi version is like $10 more

yea

pro 660m a

not the prime

asus and msi literally named their boards the same thing, its dumb

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ddRJMb

[desert gulch]

could always upgrade him to a evga 3070ti too since its in budget

[little osprey]

is the scythe mugen 5 enough for 12600k

its got 2 fans on it

[potent portal]

At stock yeah

[desert gulch]

its on a b660

its not like itll oc

[little osprey]

ye

[desert gulch]

at most PL can be removed

hmmm but 12700k is only $50 more

[little osprey]

but the budget is max 1500

lol

and they still need to pay tax

etc

[potent portal]

Not worth it, you'd have to get better cooler then too

[desert gulch]

not better than a lf2 280

you could just throw a ak620 on it if you run it at stock

[potent portal]

I didn't look at the list I thought the scythe was on it lol

[desert gulch]

o lol yea

[little osprey]

i mean is the ak620 fine for 12600k

idk anything about higher cpu wattage air coolers

[potent portal]

The wattage rating is irrelevant because everyone measures it differently

[desert gulch]

12600k could just do pa120 for stock

[little osprey]

higher power usage * ?

[desert gulch]

JUST DONT GET THE PA120 SE

pa120 should be fine

as long as you dont get se

[little osprey]

what is a pa120

peerless assassin ?

[desert gulch]

pa120 non se should be like $40

ye

[little osprey]

does it have a bracket

[desert gulch]

yea

[little osprey]

like in-box? or you have to buy separate

[desert gulch]

in box

[potent portal]

No cooler can guarantee it has the 1700 bracket yet

Because retailers could have old stock

[little osprey]

i mean you can just contact them and ask them to send you one anyways

shouldnt be much of a hassle

[potent portal]

Yeah it's just a little extra hassle

[little osprey]

well yes but its to be expected since 12th gen is fairly new

and the cooler is not new

anyways are the 3600mhz cl16 ripjaws any good

[desert gulch]

theyre alright

[little osprey]

i've been avoiding adding them for no apparent reason and adding the g.skill trident z instead

[desert gulch]

prolly cjr

they should run at rated with no issues

worse case scenario is prolly c die with them

but whatever

[little osprey]

yeah this 3070ti wont fit the budget sadly

[potent portal]

3600 c16 would be really hard to do with c-die though

[little osprey]

im still $70 over

[desert gulch]

custom price at $720?

[little osprey]

Oops, forgot to do that part

[desert gulch]

maybe, but ive seen some rip5 kits rated for 3600cl16 running with cdie

its possible, but theyll barely hit it

[potent portal]

Must be top bin c-die dang

[desert gulch]

they prolly only use the good stuff

yeah

im guessing the non top bin stuff goes in to the 3200cl16 rip5 kits

[potent portal]

My 3200 c16 c-die kit could do 3600 c18 with a lot of tweaking

[desert gulch]

or maybe the 3600cl18 kits

yeah

[little osprey]

this is quite a stretch to fit 12600k and 3070ti

[desert gulch]

ill try

budget 2k?

[little osprey]

im $3 over

i thought it was 1300-1500

[mossy venture]

Multiple things I'd change on this

[little osprey]

they need to save $500 for monitors

[mossy venture]

One sec

[little osprey]

im changing things rn btw

[potent portal]

Could move down to 12400 and not lose much gaming perf

[desert gulch]

o

yeah

ill make a 12400 list rn

[little osprey]

i mean yeah..

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s3xGLs this is like hovering on the edge of skimping out on parts

[desert gulch]

swap ssd for A60

thatll throw you right below $1500

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xhQZwc

And can change gpu as desired

Changed ram, cooler, psu, and ssd

12400 list would just be changing that to peerless assassin, 12400, and gpu to 3070 or 3080 at msrp if the gpu gods favor this person

Or 6800xt

[ruby umbra]

Does the PSU point to or away from the mobo

The fan

[desert gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Gxw6rD

heres a 12400 list

[potent portal]

In that case towards the mobo

[cyan ravine]

to the mobo cos no hole away

[mossy venture]

I'd do the 32gb silicon power kit for 105

[ruby umbra]

Aight

[desert gulch]

they planning to stream?

[potent portal]

Unless you have a dremel to cut a hole

[mossy venture]

No, but its a cheap 32gb kit and worth it

Leadex iii 750 is at $75 rn

I'd go for that instead

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W69JMb

[desert gulch]

low pri b tier?

[mossy venture]

A tier

[little osprey]

3tb storage and 3070ti

[desert gulch]

its not

[mossy venture]

It is

[desert gulch]

the super pro bronze is low pri b tier

leadex iii gold is A

[mossy venture]

It's the leadex iii?

[desert gulch]

its a super pro bronze

[mossy venture]

Ah

One sec then

[desert gulch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M6rRsY/super-flower-leadex-iii-super-pro-750-w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-750r14he

this one right?

[mossy venture]

Looks like antecs the better choice then

Next best is 700w segotep gp for $60

But it's dropping a tier and not worth it if the wattage isn't needed

[left urchin]

Im really set on at least a i7

[mossy venture]

Model is more important

12400 is enough for even a 3090 ti

[desert gulch]

but that also only has one pcie cable split into two 6+2's right?

[little osprey]

i7 doesnt mean anything, really

[left urchin]

Well brand dont matter to me as long as its the same power as a i7

[mossy venture]

Really? Gross

[little osprey]

i think you're misunderstanding it

[desert gulch]

this is on neweggs site for the 700

[mossy venture]

12400 is enough for a 3090, as I said

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D3Q2YZ7?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[left urchin]

I am probably lol

[potent portal]

If doing at least 1440p, which considering they plan on a $500 monitor I'd hope it's at least that

[little osprey]

i7 10th gen is worse than i7 12th gen.

[left urchin]

Im like extreamly new to this so yee

[desert gulch]

yeah looks like one cable

oof

i wouldnt pair with a 3070it probs

[mossy venture]

Antecs the one to go for then

[desert gulch]

psu deals are kinda sad now

[mossy venture]

Mm

[left urchin]

My buddy with an alienware has a i7 and he can overclock it he says dont get anything less than a i7

[little osprey]

if you're comparing the same generation of intel CPUs, then you can say that i7 is better than i5 but it is STRONGLY suggested to use full SKUs like 10700f and 12700f.

[mossy venture]

D.f 850 was at $90 for a while

[desert gulch]

hold on maybe antec has the same thing going on

[mossy venture]

Your buddy doesn't sound like the smartest fella

[left urchin]

Lol idk

[mossy venture]

There's i5s that can oc

[desert gulch]

nope antec one has 2 outputs for pcie

good

[mossy venture]

And ocing doesn't really matter that much, especially for casual users

[left urchin]

His setup is pretty cool

[little osprey]

bad mentality because the 12400f is a powerhouse for gaming compared to the last generations. If they prefer to always get an i7 thats fine but theres more to it.

[desert gulch]

hes capping

[mossy venture]

12600k will cost you $270, which will leave less room for a better gpu

[desert gulch]

alienware pc plus overclocking?

somethings off here

[little osprey]

oven

[desert gulch]

first, alienwares overheat at stock lol

[cyan ravine]

you could get so much more fps and gaming power staying with an i5 over an i7 by spending more on the gpu

[little osprey]

also, wasnt aware alienware boards supported cpu overclocking

[left urchin]

He gets around 280fps on apex ive played it a few times

[mossy venture]

Meanwhile 12400f costs 180, can't oc and has less cores but is still PLENTY for a 3070 ti

[little osprey]

Facts

[mossy venture]

Apex isn't an intensive game

[cyan ravine]

btw alienware pc

[desert gulch]

never looked in the bios of one, but if the chipset is a z series, itll support it if they didnt lock it down

[left urchin]

Ik but thats all i play aside from minecraft and maybe gta

[mossy venture]

If you really care that much

[little osprey]

my h370 board is laughing

[mossy venture]

Get a 12600k. It can oc and has 6 p cores + 4 e cores

[little osprey]

paired with 300w psu

[mossy venture]

But it's really not the best idea for you

[desert gulch]

hard value tho

12700k is only $50 more than 12600k rn

[mossy venture]

Oh is it?

[desert gulch]

yea

[mossy venture]

That's hot

[desert gulch]

$325 12700k

[mossy venture]

Aight i gotta go I work tommorow morning

[desert gulch]

so even if he doesnt need 8 p cores, its a hard bargain to go 12600k rn

[cyan ravine]

btw what monitor is pairing with this

[little osprey]

no clue

they didnt say

also quick question, how does ram work if different speed/spec ram are mixed together

[cyan ravine]

runs at the slower speed, if at all

[little osprey]

and theres a potential that they wont even work then i assume