I'd do 5min
#building-and-recc-chat
stoic island
tardy knoll
Pro b660-a @mossy venture
iron dragon
so unplug from psu?
mossy venture
thanks
mossy venture
so unplug from psu?
no
iron dragon
just the wall
mossy venture
theres a little silver circular battery on the motherboard
unplug that and wait 5min
iron dragon
ok
stoic island
What you do is turn it off, unplug the PC from the wall, take out the lil watch battery, press the power button a few times for good measure, wait 5 min, then put it back in and re-plug
mossy venture
you have ddr4 right?
stoic island
And for good measure, take the stick of ram in slot 3
iron dragon
ddr4
brittle copper
Does it necessarily mean that my KS has worse silicon than my K?
iron dragon
there’s tons of grey batteries
mossy venture
the rest arent batteries
iron dragon
send me a pic please
mossy venture
this one has a small black and red wire coming from it i believe
stoic island
Does it necessarily mean that my KS has worse silicon than my K?
Nah, could even just be boosting behavior screwing you over for some reason, or different LLC settings, but afaik taking more current doesn't necessarily mean worse bin
Doesn't usually have wires (on newer boards)
mossy venture
oh mb
brittle copper
Nah, could even just be boosting behavior screwing you over for some reason, or ...
Ahhh
stoic island
Dunno, maybe, but never seen any wires
mossy venture
im prolly just remembering wrong
brittle copper
So I guess there’s no way for me to validly test the bin against the non S then
mossy venture
benching
stoic island
@iron dragon this battery
stoic island
So I guess there’s no way for me to validly test the bin against the non S then
Since it's the same arch, any difference in performance at the same speeds theoretically is just run to run variation, if you want to test bin, it's just testing stability for the highest frequency you can get at X voltage
no ipc gains or anything like that
iron dragon
can’t see it
stoic island
Might be under your GPU
iron dragon
stoic island
yea it's right under the GPU
stoic island
what
iron dragon
legit nothing there
stoic island
oh lmao
iron dragon
should i take out the gpu
stoic island
@earnest olive Am I going crazy? Do you know if this board has a battery hidden somewhere?
feels like the first time I've seen a board without a cmos battery lol
iron dragon
it has to
earnest olive
no socket there either?
tardy knoll
Doesn't appear to have one.
jagged ember
wat
stoic island
don't think it's on the back
jagged ember
how does the mobo hold CMOS settings
iron dragon
ok the back maybe?
stoic island
You can check just in case
iron dragon
ok
desert gulch
Doubt tho
iron dragon
are you guys the same person?
jagged ember
no
stoic island
no
iron dragon
nothing on the back
stoic island
Welp, MSI doing weird things
earnest olive
I cannot see a cmos battery anywhere on it
stoic island
ye but theoretically settings get wiped without power and this doesn't have a battery
jagged ember
how power
stoic island
I think wideus is asking how it retains settings
jagged ember
if there isn't CMOS battery
jagged ember
lithium CMOS battery...?
desert gulch
Sussy board
jagged ember
what is happening in that mobo
jagged ember
all this new fangled stuff is too new
desert gulch
Pro or prime board? @stoic island
iron dragon
is there a fix?
stoic island
Pro or prime board? <@278694081440251905>
MSI B660m-a
desert gulch
Yeah is it a pro or prime?
stoic island
Iirc msi doesn't use prime branding, just Asus?
desert gulch
Ohhh MSI yeah
stoic island
is there a fix?
Might as well jump the cmos header once again while you're at it, and assume it worked, and move onto other troubleshooting steps
desert gulch
Not my fault Asus and MSI called a board the exact same thing
That's an asussy problem
jagged ember
if you was a techie you would know
stoic island
smh
desert gulch
Have you heard about 7800xt?
iron dragon
Might as well jump the cmos header once again while you're at it, and assume it ...
how
desert gulch
Y'know how the really good gpus are using gddr6x?
stoic island
take screwdriver, stick it inbetween the pins on the JBAT1 header
"jump" the gap between the pins
don't jam it down, just need to touch it
desert gulch
Mr2, have you seen what vram the 7800xt will be running?
desert gulch
Gddr6+
stoic island
or wait, hbm 2e, whatever
desert gulch
Non of that cringe gddr6x
viral ore
cring
desert gulch
Gonna be neat
viral ore
HBM4x or bust
desert gulch
Ada probably will be on gddr5 smh
stoic island
do we even have hbm4?
viral ore
HBM20
desert gulch
HBM4x or bust
Bust 😏
viral ore
no lol
stoic island
lol
desert gulch
Ye
tardy knoll
I can't even find any content for mobos without CMOS batteries. Is there a chance it has a spot for it somewhere and didn't come with one installed?
stoic island
I can't even find any content for mobos without CMOS batteries. Is there a chanc...
Can't see no spots
stoic island
oo missed that news
viral ore
it was earlier this year
stoic island
october last year xD
desert gulch
Can't see no spots
Could be on the side of some io port
iron dragon
still nothing
desert gulch
Mr2 what troubleshooting has he done so far?
stoic island
paperclip test is all I know, I think pato was here before
desert gulch
Ah ok
I think rawr was talking to him last night about pulling off the cooler and pulling CPU out
iron dragon
pc test worked
stoic island
stoic island
Looks like hbm3 was updated from jedec in january
stoic island
anyways @iron dragon guess we might as well start from the beginning in terms of troubleshooting, can you take a picture of a top down view so we can take a rudimentary look at it?
iron dragon
yes
iron dragon
Does it even turn on?
no when plugged in it’s just blank
iron dragon
tardy knoll
My only guess would be this sticks up and out over other parts of Mobo.
He'd said he tested GPU and it worked if that counts for anything
iron dragon
My only guess would be this sticks up and out over other parts of Mobo.
for what
stoic island
So, what happens when you try to start it?
analog hearth
viral ore
iron dragon
24pin isn’t plugged in all the way
yes
vague oracle
…so plug it in?
stoic island
Do try plugging in CPU power again, on both side (psu and mobo side)
Can't really tell how well its plugged in but doesn't hurt to do it again
and check 24pin on PSU side
theoretically this board has debug LEDs, so we should be able to see what goes on once the board gets power
don't headbutt the computer though
iron dragon
thanks
iron dragon
Do try plugging in CPU power again, on both side (psu and mobo side)
i did
stoic island
also, just need to make sure, PSU switch is on, right?
analog hearth
cring
vague oracle
Nope
jagged ember
wait
jagged ember
you thought the o was on?
vague oracle
Comes from 1 meaning yes and 0 meaning no
jagged ember
binary
1 is on state, 0 is off state
but hey, o for on
I can't say Ive ever thought of it like that
iron dragon
still did nothing tho
stoic island
After flipping PSU on, give it a sec, and then jump the front io header that's the pwr_sw header
solemn rampart
How bout runnin a rx 6500 xt and a gtx 1060 at the same time
desert gulch
no point tbh
unless you have a really specific scenario that can use both at same time
also i wouldnt buy a 6500xt if you dont already have it
jagged ember
not sure that's even an upgrade
strong raft
old msg but did you have an m2 ssd or something? Hdd doesnt have it's data cable.
iron dragon
ssd
strong raft
Ok, just saying that hdd in the picture is only getting power, won't show up to bios or OS. If that was intended for some reason then nevermind.
iron dragon
idk i just plugged it in
also couldn’t jumpstart it
idk what else to do
@desert gulch
untold beacon
Man @strong raft it’s been a fat minute since I’ve seen you
strong raft
Haha. @untold beacon yoyo. Well I stopped trying to sell the z590 mobo I got back in Nov/Dec. Found an 11700 for a not too crazy $230 shipped so I went for that, then a 32GB kit of 3600c16 ballistix for $140ish. 💸 In the past few days saw 2TB Gammix S70 blade & refurbed best buy 970 Evo Plus for good prices so.... 💸 
--- nobody show me a 3070 for under $650 dang it.
untold beacon
That’s nice
I got all the other stuff I need for my pc accept for the graphics card still
But sadly I can’t even use my pc
Because I bought the wrong case
mossy venture
what gpu you going for?
untold beacon
MSI 3070 gaming x trio
mossy venture
why that model specifically?
untold beacon
Because I’m going with a MSI build
mossy venture
...
desert gulch
msi cooler?
untold beacon
I would have changed it but I already bought it sadly
desert gulch
so you got a msi cooler?
desert gulch
aio?
desert gulch
be very careful with how you mount it
untold beacon
Ya I know that
desert gulch
those arent normal aios
good
the 240r and 360r also have some issues with sediment build up
untold beacon
Ya I read up on that
desert gulch
aight
untold beacon
Cuz what I was gonna go with a Corsair iCUE H100i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler later
strong raft
Waiting for the S70, and ontrac already came by w/ something else so idk. They forgot the extra package in the car? 
little osprey
you try other ram slots?
make sure video cable is plugged into gpu
Try another power outlet
little osprey
Hmmm
id just wait until the case comes and try again
your parts should still be under warranty unless your case takes like 4 years to get there
little osprey
ya
dont spend too long troubleshooting
take breaks to do other things
i speak from experience
hp prebuilt had to be tamed like it was a wild animal for it to work
jaunty rover
can someone hlep me with m.2 setup?
potent portal
You should just be able to attach it to the board, boot windows, open disk management, and confirm the disk initializing. Then you can partition it how you like.
jaunty rover
You should just be able to attach it to the board, boot windows, open disk manag...
can i add u to a dm with moose? its actually being rly weird
frank stirrup
can i add u to a dm with moose? its actually being rly weird
Ask questions here
Not in dms
little osprey
YS!!!
low kindle
YS!!!
ornate condor
Found amazing deal on ssd 
https://bit.ly/3rs6afQ
1tb sn 750se + battlefield 2042 for 69$ 
fossil cedar
Yeah sick find
earnest olive
great deal if you want the game, if you don't want the game I believe the mp33 is still a better drive for not much more
fossil cedar
great deal if you want the game, if you don't want the game I believe the mp33 i...
Sn750 SE is still a b tier drive although it might loose in rand slightly but for about 9$ less I'd say that's fair
earnest olive
yeah it's still a good deal but not insane if you don't want the game
viral ore
great deal if you want the game, if you don't want the game I believe the mp33 i...
??? is that not a 1TB ssd?
for 70
i dont care what brand it is thats a deal
earnest olive
yes, but a better drive for 79 exists
viral ore
theres an 80 dollar 1tb??
earnest olive
it's still a good deal just not world changing unless you were going to buy the game
yes
viral ore
is it just on sale atm?
earnest olive
and it's better than even the normal SN750 i believe
the SN750 SE is a cut down SN750
earnest olive
ok nvm the sn750 is better
but not by much
10.81 vs 11.42 on the tom's hardware game loading bench
hmm interesting they did a review on the sn750 se but did not bench game loading
somewhat concerned about the sn 750 se's performance on a gen 3 slot, cannot find info on it
it delivers gen 3 speeds on a gen 4 slot
"This game drive draws up to 30% less power than its predecessor, letting you stay in the game longer before your next recharge."
lol what?
somehow i don't think ssd power draw during gaming is a big concern for a gaming laptop on battery
frank stirrup
and it's better than even the normal SN750 i believe
windshields classifies mp33 as c tier while sn750 and 750 se are b tier
earnest olive
i think something is wrong with my boot drive
fossil cedar
How come?
earnest olive
last time i ran CDM the seq speeds were a little bit sus lol
i talked about it with rawr we didn't figure it out though
i tried updating to the latest ssd firmware and only gained a little bit of performance
frank stirrup
i rember
earnest olive
still nowhere near advertised
i bought it used so idk if something sus happened to it
frank stirrup
could just be because boot drive so some other background processes that are doing rand read writes
idk
earnest olive
why is the write so low this time 
cdm bug?
reran it
weird
but yeah i am so far away from advertised perf for everything except seq read
oh there we go
peak temp was 36C so that's definitely not it
frank stirrup
dont u ideally want it to be around 45 ish tho
earnest olive
iirc in the neighborhood of 40 is optimal
my 3090 is blowing heat over it but my backplate fan is cooling it
i'm also using the motherboard heatsink which is worse than the included heatsink
but it's good enough
considering my temps putting a better heatsink might actually be bad for it
fossil cedar
You definitely have that slot in gen 4 mode?
fossil cedar
If you can change it lol
fossil cedar
Yeah but sometimes gen 4 drives don't even beat gen 3 speeds lol
earnest olive
i mean if i'm above the gen 3 theoretical limit it can be assumed it's running gen 4
frank stirrup
also im dumb i thought corsair made the mp33
earnest olive
wonder if giving CDM realtime priority will do anything
frank stirrup
sn550
earnest olive
also im dumb i thought corsair made the mp33
it's $78 not $780
fossil cedar
i mean if i'm above the gen 3 theoretical limit it can be assumed it's running g...
Ngl don't know the limits off the top of my head also misread your question lol
earnest olive
gen 3 theoretical limit is 4000
fossil cedar
Ah
frank stirrup
no sippy just doesnt think his ssd might be using a 16x link
fossil cedar
Lol
frank stirrup
how rude
fossil cedar
Sips ssd running 3x12 xd
earnest olive
running my ssd with PCI
CDM is weird, results are so inconsistent
feels like aida memory
fossil cedar
That's odd
frank stirrup
Sips ssd running 3x12 xd
lolollol
earnest olive
time to windows update while I'm at it
little osprey
Bonzi buddy
earnest olive
welp
apparently there is no actual firmware 15.1
restarted and it's still 13.0
googled it and people saying the same thing
it says update available but nothing happens
fossil cedar
Uh what
earnest olive
corsair moment
earnest olive
now i restarted for nothing
ree
i even power cycled my rig because i thought i was doing something wrong
fossil cedar
Rip
frank stirrup
mp33 is actually team group
fossil cedar
Time to sue corsair
frank stirrup
right
fossil cedar
Yes it is
fossil cedar
apparently there is no actual firmware 15.1
^ @frank stirrup
earnest olive
i do not have an mp33 rawr
earnest olive
i have a corsair mp600 force gen4 lol
fossil cedar
He hab c*rsair mp600
earnest olive
it was cheap okay
frank stirrup
I KNEW U HAD CORSAIR SSD BUT THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MP33 AND I WAS LIKE I MIGHT BE DUM BUT I WASNT DUM
frank stirrup
this is news
frank stirrup
i wouldnt
earnest olive
i wanted a gen 4
frank stirrup
noob
earnest olive
you can have mine as a birthday gift i need an upgrade to gen 5
little osprey
Damn my birthday this year is going to be crazy
fossil cedar
tell me you wouldn't buy an mp600 gen4 for $125 just because it's corsair
I'm just pulling your leg xo
fossil cedar
waiting for directstorage:
sharp bear
Again my question, is this a good build?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6QJLPX
And where can I save some money?
Thanks
fossil cedar
Again my question, is this a *good* build?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/6Q...
I'd definitely change some things... What's your budget/how much you wanna spend and what's the use for the pc?
earnest olive
that psu is not enough for that 3070ti
pretty steep price for ballistix
cause it's discontinued now i guess
frank stirrup
waiting for directstorage:
its here
frank stirrup
none
sharp bear
I'd definitely change some things... What's your budget/how much you wanna spend...
My budget including monitor shouldn't be above 2000 Euros, and I am going to use the PC mainly for gaming/maybe streaming too, and for work (freelancer: video and photo editing)
fossil cedar
Okay
frank stirrup
it's still so weird having build chat third 😩
yes
little osprey
Wut
sharp bear
that psu is not enough for that 3070ti
I might actually exchange the 3070 ti with the 3070
frank stirrup
ur in build chat
little osprey
L bozo
frank stirrup
L
earnest olive
3070 is a superior card to 3070ti imo
earnest olive
like a 5% performance gain that you aren't going to notice without an fps counter
but for like 40% more power draw
you'll notice louder fans and hotter room more than you'll notice 5% more fps
no additional features, no additional vram
and is supposed to cost more
plus having to worry about gddr6x being gddr6x
sharp bear
Alright, then am definitely gonna go for the 3070
earnest olive
my 3070 vs my 3070ti
3070ti won by 1.8% (though to be fair i have an incredibly strong 3070)
fossil cedar
My budget including monitor shouldn't be above 2000 Euros, and I am going to us...
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZsVqpH
Or
If you wanna spend less
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BfxLPX
fossil cedar
earnest olive
LHR 
fossil cedar
London Heathrow 
little osprey
No
sharp bear
never heard anything about the 12600kf, does it overperferom the 5800x?
fossil cedar
never heard anything about the 12600kf, does it overperferom the 5800x?
Yes
earnest olive
single core and multicore
little osprey
it’s just the 12600k with no iGPU
sharp bear
alright alright and 32gb ram cl16 3200 better than 16gb ram cl16 3600?
marsh adder
So my university wants me to have a "gaming" laptop (oof)
fossil cedar
pato good teckie
Do i get a theocoin bonus this Christmas now?
earnest olive
no
fossil cedar
Why lol?
marsh adder
Looking into this one. Does it seem okay for the price? The battery life seems low but I don't think I need that much.
earnest olive
we all only get 5 theocoins per month sorry
marsh adder
earnest olive
WQHD with a 3060 115w lol
marsh adder
Looking at the AMD option specifically.
fossil cedar
we all only get 5 theocoins per month sorry
What about 0.000000000000000000000000000000069 theocoin bonus
marsh adder
Nah I'd go with FHD.
earnest olive
yeah good call
marsh adder
I have a 1440p monitor on my desktop and literally can't tell the difference with the 1080p ones.
fossil cedar
What exactly do you need a gaming laptop for college for?
marsh adder
I'm going into game development.
earnest olive
Looking at the AMD option specifically.
don't rule out the 11800H
chip might surprise you
marsh adder
👀 how so?
earnest olive
my 11800H is within 5% of my liquid cooled 5800x
marsh adder
I've always used Intel but on laptops they suck so much power.
fossil cedar
Think they want ryzen for battery life sips
earnest olive
they said battery life doesn't matter much
little osprey
earnest olive
tiger lake-h does slightly edge out zen 3-h in raw performance
frank stirrup
anything above 1080p on a laptop is an absolute meme
ok buing 13" 4k laptop
earnest olive
I can't speak for power efficiency because my 11800H is overclocked and overvolted lmao
everyone else out here undervolting laptop cpus and I'm here overvolting
fossil cedar
Oh missed that
earnest olive
I get 4.6ghz on all 8 cores with about 45w power draw in AAA games at 200 fps
marsh adder
Though tbf I have an intel chip in my current laptop laptop and after heavy battery optimization it lasts a good 10h.
Maybe my experience with Haswell chips has damaged my opinion of Intel power-wise.
earnest olive
with 4.6ghz on 8 cores you can see how it's desktop class performance
15k cb in r23
marsh adder
I don't think I'll be running gentoo so I'm not that worried about maximum CPU perf.
earnest olive
both sides have come a LONG way from haswell lol
haswell can be quite efficient though
my haswell xeon e3 will run prime95 with like 60 watts and chill at 43c all core
marsh adder
oh wow
marsh adder
My old Haswell ThinkPad (x240) wouldn't go under 10W at idle iirc
I'll check powertop on this one hold up
earnest olive
lol you don't want to know what my 5800X idles at
let me check my 4770K
it's running right now
marsh adder
Yeah running Sway at pretty much idle at 6.12W
earnest olive
marsh adder
ooof
earnest olive
6.459W to run teamviewer, hwinfo, and gpu miner
and this is a desktop chip not a mobile chip
not too bad
marsh adder
That's quite decent!
earnest olive
i've gotten 10400F to idle at 2 watts
marsh adder
neofetch says this is my CPU: Intel i5-10210U (8) @ 4.200GHz
ahh undervolting is the strat I guess
earnest olive
i didn't undervolt it actually
marsh adder
Underclocking?
earnest olive
undervolting is barely going to do anything when total power draw is like 2 watts
marsh adder
I don't know this stuff haha
earnest olive
no underclocking, just power saver power plan
linux probably has some equivalent but i don't know it
marsh adder
Can I do this on Linux?
earnest olive
now do you wanna see what my 5800X idles at?
marsh adder
uhh sure lol
earnest olive
marsh adder
y e o w c h
fossil cedar
Undervolting my i5 8250u by 100mv actually improved battery life by like 1.5x and performance - even tho it would only max at like 60c
earnest olive
fossil cedar
So UV is def a good strat for battery life if you can
earnest olive
since i'm running 3800c14 with 1900 fclk
my SoC is responsible for more than half of the idle power
marsh adder
I feel like my clock speeds are too high.
All I'm running are nheko, Firefox, and Discord.
fossil cedar
my SoC is responsible for more than half of the idle power
Just run 1800mhz instead
earnest olive
i can't tell you what my 11800H is idling at because i intentionally broke the power reporting on it
frank stirrup
bruh
frank stirrup
more clock
marsh adder
Overclocking?
fossil cedar
Msi's fan curve of fire or ice?
earnest olive
it was clocking fine while reporting 125W
i can disable power limits so that's not it
frank stirrup
u were scared of seeing big number
earnest olive
nope
frank stirrup
ur mom?
earnest olive
Msi's fan curve of fire or ice?
unrelated to power
frank stirrup
there we go
earnest olive
no but seriously
fossil cedar
unrelated to power
Maybe thought might have been for noise reasons
frank stirrup
dont tell us
earnest olive
nope it draws the same amount of power
and hits the same temps
it just says 12W instead of 125W
i can still make it hit 95C while it thinks it's drawing 12W lol
fossil cedar
Im stumped
earnest olive
well i would tell you but rawr said don't tell while he's thinking
frank stirrup
So gpu can boost good?
earnest olive
earnest olive
So gpu can boost good?
winner
gpu dynamic boost is permanently active in games because it thinks the cpu is using no power
fossil cedar
Ahh thought it might have been for gpu but forgot you actually played on it and not just mining xD
earnest olive
permanent 140W instead of dropping to 125W in games
earnest olive
mining is just how i justify owning a way nicer laptop than i need
same with my 3090 tbh
fossil cedar
Rawr i now grant you techie for 1 second
frank stirrup
shee
earnest olive
i never planned to own a 3090
frank stirrup
frank stirrup
BRO 1 sec i wanna type an a into techie chat and then lose access
fossil cedar
Put miner shortcut in auto startup folser
frank stirrup
LMFAO
marsh adder
xinitrc?
earnest olive
nah i don't want to put miner in auto startup
frank stirrup
BRO 1 sec i wanna type an a into techie chat and then lose access
pato make it happen ree
earnest olive
most of the time i restart my pc is to start benching lmao
fossil cedar
most of the time i restart my pc is to start benching lmao
Buttttt
earnest olive
gotta switch to my time spy bios profile
fossil cedar
If you have p0 state you must make it ask for admin
So if you no want to run it
Just click no on admin pop up
earnest olive
i don't use p0 on the 3090
earnest olive
i only use p0 on the 3070s and 3070M
fossil cedar
earnest olive
actually the 3070M has no option to not use p0
fossil cedar
Ah right
earnest olive
p2 apparently doesn't exist for laptop gpu
marsh adder
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Linux-Notebooks/15-16-inch/TUX...
so am I safe to buy this laptop?
fossil cedar
Sips you should have auditioned for the riddler in the batman
fossil cedar
so am I safe to buy this laptop?
Where's the pricing?
frank stirrup
If you have p0 state you must make it ask for admin
there be a way to auto get admin in cmd i think
i rember reading about it
marsh adder
Might have to go into configure, I'll find it.
earnest olive
just make a shortcut to your batch file
and toggle on run as admin for the shortcut
then you can put the shortcut in autostart
earnest olive
i don't remember it asking
fossil cedar
then you can put the shortcut in autostart
Ohh yeah well sips just do that - make it run as admin on startup
So then it auto starts when you want and not when you don't
earnest olive
autostarting miner would be counterproductive for me though
fossil cedar
fossil cedar
autostarting miner would be counterproductive for me though
You don't have test drive with stripped windows for benching? Smh my head
marsh adder
With the AMD option, 1080p screen, and 250GB M.2, it's 1554 EUR
marsh adder
Which is around $1677
earnest olive
my i7-11800H + 3070M 140W + 2x8GB DDR4 + 1TB NVMe + 1080p 240Hz was 1170 eur
earnest olive
i bought it used
marsh adder
ah okay
earnest olive
but retail price was still 1570 eur
marsh adder
What laptop is it? Does it have good Linux support?
earnest olive
you shouldn't limit your search to laptops advertised for linux
pretty sure you can just install linux on whatever laptop you want lol
marsh adder
My current ThinkPad has a fingerprint reader with no Linux drivers ;_;
earnest olive
maybe you should be looking at radeon laptops if you want to run linux
ah, i never use stuff like fingerprint reader or trackpad so idk
my laptop has no fingerprint reader
i didn't try linux on it so i can't tell you if it has good linux support
i do know that pretty much all linux users hate nvidia
marsh adder
Myself included.
marsh adder
What do you need to use that's Windows only?
earnest olive
the two games that i play 99% of the time have absolutely zero linux support
it's usually games isn't it lol
marsh adder
ah peck, anticheats?
earnest olive
yup
marsh adder
Most of the games I play have zero Linux support but work great through Proton.
But I don't play any anticheat games.
earnest olive
yeah i did my research it's just absolutely not possible
marsh adder
I swear if my university even thinks of requiring an anticheat-using game I'm leaving.
earnest olive
lol
marsh adder
But unfortunately they require at least an RTX 3060Ti so I don't think I'd get away with an AMD GPU
little osprey
Can you clarify with them
sharp bear
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZsVqpH
Or
If you wanna spend less
https://de.pc...
What about this motherboard instead of the micro atx one?
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/32NxFT/asus-prime-b660-plus-d4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-b660-plus-d4
fossil cedar
What about this motherboard instead of the micro atx one?
https://de.pcpartpick...
The msi a pro matx is better and the same price range, nothing wrong with micro atx
little osprey
micro atx is just a lil smaller
fossil cedar
Yup
frank stirrup
yeah i did my research it's just absolutely not possible
might be possible to get phone version of genshin
since same base os
idk
marsh adder
What would you recommend I get instead of this one?
fossil cedar
But unfortunately they require at least an RTX 3060Ti so I don't think I'd get a...
Huh? There is no mobile rtx 3060 ti and also amds rx 6000 lineup is just as good excluding ray tracing
You're in France right?
fossil cedar
What's the laptop selling shops over there?
Ldlc is the only tech store i can think of off the top of my head
marsh adder
Probably for the raytracing course but I can probably just use my desktop remotely with Moonlight if the laptop can't handle it.
I have never bought a laptop before so I have no idea.
fossil cedar
I mean rx 6000 can do ray tracing rtx 3000 is just better at it
marsh adder
LDLC, Fnac, Materiel.net come to mind
marsh adder
Thanks :)
marsh adder
Darty, Boulanger
Budget is whatever I can get my parents to pay for :P
Since I need it for school, specs need to be usable but I don't need anything way above the recommended 3060 + 10th gen or newer CPU
OH one thing!
I can't use the French AZERTY keyboard because it doesn't have the necessary keys to type in French.
Currently the best I've found (and am typing on now) is the Spanish QWERTY+Ñ keyboard, so it would be awesome if I could buy a laptop with that.
little osprey
You can type in french without a physical french keyboard
unless you prefer one with keys that have the french letters
marsh adder
Well yeah I like the QWERTY layout way more
When I have to type on an AZERTY keyboard, I usually set the layout to Spanish QWERTY as I rarely look at the keyboard when typing. However when I do the French legends completely mess me up.
vague oracle
You could technically swap around the Keycaps I’m pretty sure
marsh adder
All the symbols have different printing though. It'd be easier to just buy a Spanish keyboard one.
(which Tuxedo has an option for)
fossil cedar
Currently the best I've found (and am typing on now) is the Spanish QWERTY+Ñ key...
Ohhhh would probably need to look at spanish places then...
https://m.darty.com/m/achat/informatique/ordinateur_portable-portable/portable/asus_tuf707_r7_16_12_3070.html
I found that
If it's legit or not idk but it's very good for the price
marsh adder
It's possible for me to ship a Spain laptop to family I have in Spain, but that'd be complicated for warranty stuff probably.
woahh that's an awesome price :o
Maybe swapping the keyboard is possible.
fossil cedar
Np
marsh adder
Do you know how usable the trackpad is? I doubt I'll be carrying a mouse around and am used to the clickpad on my current ThinkPad.
marsh adder
It looks like it's not on sale in Spain... the same website (Fnac and Darty merged) has worse spec for a higher price, oof: https://www.fnac.es/Portatil-gaming-Asus-TUF-Gaming-F17-FX706HM-HX059-Intel-i7-11800H-32-1-3060-17-3-FHD-Sin-S-O-Ordenador-portatil-PC-Portatil/a9130346
strong raft
it could be using a 16x link dumdum
Tidbit for all, most drives are just x4. 4GB/s is around the limit for gen 3 but many hit 3500ish, and even some gen 4 drives barely hit 4GB/s. SN750se is example, more like a gen3.5 drive.
fossil cedar
Do you know how usable the trackpad is? I doubt I'll be carrying a mouse around ...
Definitely useable afaik the tuf line is fairly quality
marsh adder
I'm searching "3070 laptop" in local second-hand marketplaces and finding a lot of different models for seemingly good prices. Is there anything specific to look for/avoid?
mossy venture
wattage of gpu
marsh adder
Seeing an "Acer Nitro 5" with a 3070 and 5800H for 999€
earnest olive
acer nitro 5 isn't bad as long as you understand what you're getting
it focuses on maximum performance bang for the buck
mossy venture
ehh
earnest olive
that cheap plastic case is why you see that hardware in that price range
it doesn't catch fire
that's the goal lol
it's obviously going to feel less premium than more expensive laptops with the same hardware
but good luck finding a 5800H/11800H + 3070 for 1k with significantly better build quality
marsh adder
Fair.
earnest olive
it definitely has its niche
marsh adder
I can go higher than 999€ though
Just never sure what to look for when searching in second hand haha
Plus I'm going off the assumption that the keyboard can be replaced with a Spanish one.
earnest olive
my gf got an acer nitro 5 with 11400H + 16GB + 512GB + 3050ti + 144hz screen for $700
it does the job
cpu and gpu temps are in control
pretty hard to beat the hardware for the price
mossy venture
10500h
earnest olive
dell g15, worse cpu though
is worse cpu the only difference?
still got 16gb ram, 512gb ssd, 144hz?
earnest olive
good deal
mossy venture
gpu stays under 70c gaming
i tested mining on it just to see temps
stayed under 65 mining rvn
marsh adder
I'd like to show up to class without a forklift though.
earnest olive
the nitro 5 also stays at like 70c on gpu in synthetic full load with default fan speed of like 2000 rpm
seems fine
cpu thermals were surprisingly good, throttling in prime95 was not too bad
marsh adder
Which is why I was originally looking at the Tuxedo Polaris (though I see now it is probably overpriced)
earnest olive
considering no undervolt and no repaste
vague oracle
My laptop’s 3080 stays at around 75-80 in a plastic case with no undervolt or repast
earnest olive
what wattage?
mossy venture
oh also
vague oracle
what wattage?
135
earnest olive
my 3070M will hold 140W at 75C under liquid metal and 60% fan speed
small 15 inch plastic case
with 45W coming from the CPU during a game
so 185W total heat load on the heatsinks
kind of wish i had a 17 inch laptop with beefier cooling but it is what it is
this laptop does the job fine
vague oracle
I have a 17 inch laptop but I’m not sure if the cooling is good or not
It’s an Asus Scar 17
earnest olive
60% fan speed is just below 40 dB
vague oracle
5900hx/3080 135w
earnest olive
so it's a pretty good spot to be at
mossy venture
hashrate on it is terrible
dell has smthn against mining i swear
it gets like 6mh on rvn
earnest olive
that sounds about right for a 3050ti lol
potent portal
dell has smthn against mining i swear
No but Dell does have something against cooling
mossy venture
gpu stays under 70c gaming
.
vague oracle
That new Alienware seems to have pretty good cooling
fossil cedar
That new Alienware seems to have pretty good cooling
take that back
mossy venture
havent checked
potent portal
Gaming is easy to control temps on a laptop, you just don't let the gpu use full power lol
It has to share with CPU
fossil cedar
havent checked
you cant afaik unless they added temp sensors to the g6 on laptops
mossy venture
im guessing they meant hotspot
earnest olive
you cant afaik unless they added temp sensors to the g6 on laptops
can confirm they did not
fossil cedar
Didn't think they would
marsh adder
Okay this one for real. HP Omen with a 5800H and 3070 for 1100€, they say it's like new. I haven't heard anything negative about HP laptops from here, so would this be a plausible option? I'd only have to swap the keyboard for a Spanish one.
Here's a (French) link: https://www.leboncoin.fr/informatique/2085198965.htm
earnest olive
Okay this one for real. HP Omen with a 5800H and 3070 for 1100€, they say it's l...
well i can tell you some things negative about the laptop
- low TGP (i believe the omen 3070 is either 85W or 100W)
- lack of BIOS options
neither are necessarily dealbreakers and especially not at that price
but just helping you make an informed decision
potent portal
For the price though, I could forgive the low power gpu
ornate condor
Any decent prebuild which is not thermal throttling and not have stupid custom components ?
potent portal
ABS for cheaper ones, look for mesh fronts
Higher cost ones that are good are nzxt-bld (with the H510 flow option), Origin, Maingear, Build Redux, and a few others I'm sure I missed
scarlet lotus
Hey guys
I am planning on getting this new graphics card
Will the fit in my cases?
Let me send my build
potent portal
I can see the deleted link, it wasn't the right one
The correct one is just above the parts list on the left
scarlet lotus
Sorry
I was trying to get the link
I put the CPU 3 fan on the front it works
I am just planning upgrading my gtx1080 to rtx3080
potent portal
Max GPU length is 300mm
scarlet lotus
Do you think the fans of the water cooled rtx3080 will fit the top?
scarlet lotus
Max GPU length is 300mm
?
scarlet lotus
You want me to send a screenshot of my current space of my desktop
potent portal
Nah
calm dove
Will the fit in my cases?
Yes
potent portal
This 3080 ti would be better and cheaper, comes out to 1050 pounds https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=12G-P5-3958-KR
scarlet lotus
This 3080 ti would be better and cheaper, comes out to 1050 pounds https://www.e...
But this is for US
Thanks a lot tho
potent portal
It's direct from evga, they ship international
scarlet lotus
It's direct from evga, they ship international
Oo that’s good
calm dove
It's direct from evga, they ship international
Africa ?
potent portal
Oh wait they're out of stock for the EU
scarlet lotus
😞
potent portal
U sure the fans will fit the top?
It should, the site says it fits a 240mm radiator on top
scarlet lotus
But i think its weird
How come?
If you guys have suggestings
Please give
I am okay with it😆
I am sure you guys are much more experienced
@calm dove @potent portal
potent portal
I'd get a higher tier GPU instead of water cooling personally
calm dove
You bought the case ?
scarlet lotus
Yeah all the parts are already bought except the GPU
I bought the parts back in 2021
Just upgrading gpu now
scarlet lotus
I'd get a higher tier GPU instead of water cooling personally
Alright
Thanks for the advice guys
potent portal
scarlet lotus
Any suggestions for which gpu I should get?
scarlet lotus
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CqNxFT/gainward-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12-gb-ph...
🤣thanks guys
potent portal
That one is 294mm long so it should fit in your case with a little wiggle room
scarlet lotus
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CqNxFT/gainward-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12-gb-ph...
Is 3090 worth it?
potent portal
No
scarlet lotus
That one is 294mm long so it should fit in your case with a little wiggle room
👍thanks bro
potent portal
Not unless you're actually going to use the 24gb vram doing massive renders or making huge unreal engine maps
scarlet lotus
Not unless you're actually going to use the 24gb vram doing massive renders or m...
Yeah I won’t be doing that.
scarlet lotus
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CqNxFT/gainward-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12-gb-ph...
I’ll go for this then
potent portal
I barely get above 8gb usage doing 4k gaming, maaaybe 9gb in some games
scarlet lotus
Do you think the performance on the water cooled rtx 3080 is better or quieter?
That’s was the only reason why I was thinking about it
potent portal
It will never be better than the next tier gpu
And that particular 3080 is a gimped model anyway, bad even for 3080s
scarlet lotus
Dem it’s just like a scam then?
potent portal
Not quite a scam, there's some use cases for it, but gaming is not one of them
scarlet lotus
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CqNxFT/gainward-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-12-gb-ph...
Do you think there is better model from this then?
cyan ravine
Do you think the performance on the water cooled rtx 3080 is better or quieter?
Watercooling is better, but not if you need to spend like, 500USD+ to make it work
You may as well go higher tier instead
potent portal
Yeah definitely not worth spending that much more for water cooling
potent portal
If you're planning on doing a custom loop already sure
But that's not really a good case for that anyway
Nowhere for the reservoir to go
scarlet lotus
Nowhere for the reservoir to go
Yeah true
scarlet lotus
Do you think there is better model from this then?
Would you be able to tell me what makes a good model for certain gpu tier? @potent portal
Idk if I should tag you guys btw. Let me know if I shouldn’t
cyan ravine
The case really limits better options
scarlet lotus
I was just doing for replying
potent portal
There's only a few differences to be aware of, binning and cooler design
scarlet lotus
The case really limits better options
If it’s really problematic I can try to get another one by selling this one
potent portal
PCB layout to a certain degree but as long as it's not bad 🤷♂️
cyan ravine
What matters more is the silicon that you end up with in your hands
Really
It's a 3080 ti at the end still
scarlet lotus
😆 very true. The thing is
I have very good opportunity right now to upgrade my PC
Company is paying for it all of it
calm dove
I have very good opportunity right now to upgrade my PC
Whats your gpu now ?
scarlet lotus
Whats your gpu now ?
1080 evga
potent portal
One 3080 ti will perform basically the same as another as long as it's not thermal throttling like the ventus will do
scarlet lotus
Stay away from ventus it is🤣
little osprey
quick question, Im trying to get into bios but it wont let me, I tried to do a cmos reset and it still wont any suggestions?
potent portal
I also highly recommend upgrading the PSU to a 850W
scarlet lotus
I also highly recommend upgrading the PSU to a 850W
Could I get your recommendation for power supply? If it’s not much to ask
cyan ravine
Rm850x is easy enough to suggest
potent portal
scarlet lotus
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vfBrxr/corsair-txm-gold-850w-80-gold-certifi...
Thanks a lot mate
Really appreciate
Alright then. I’ll get these. Do you think upgrading to 32GB of ram will do difference?
potent portal
Depends on what you play
scarlet lotus
I heard there is performance gain somewhat?
calm dove
Free ram
potent portal
Better speed over higher capacity usually
scarlet lotus
I have those 2 ram sticks currently
On pc part picker
I was planning on just getting another 2 of those
Worth it?
potent portal
You could and it would be a slight increase in performance, maybe 5% best case
scarlet lotus
You could and it would be a slight increase in performance, maybe 5% best case
😆 I got 2k pounds budget
So I got to spend it on something
scarlet lotus
Oo so in this situation 2 sticks are better?
potent portal
You can get the corsair dummy rgb sticks to fill the other 2 slots
cyan ravine
2 sticks is easier to run faster
scarlet lotus
You can get the corsair dummy rgb sticks to fill the other 2 slots
Sorry don’t know what this part means😆
Dummy rgb sticks?
scarlet lotus
2 sticks is easier to run faster
Ooo I see
scarlet lotus
Corsair sells like, fake sticks to fill out the other spots
🤣🤣
Idk people do that🤣
potent portal
It's for people that can't stand to have empty space
scarlet lotus
It's for people that can't stand to have empty space
😆 any other suggestions then?
I am really appreciate this again btw
I do have 2k budget so why not sure all of it😆
cyan ravine
Btw I think I'll mention this for clarity, but in the 220T, I can personally attest to extreme difficulty for both a 240 and 360 aio rad fitting in that case
That combo really only works on custom loops in there
potent portal
Ooh but wait if you have the 360mm AIO on the front that really limits your space for the GPU
scarlet lotus
Btw I think I'll mention this for clarity, but in the 220T, I can personally att...
Are u talking about the crazy 3 fan Water cool CPU I have?
I was able to fit it in tbh😆, I wanted to copy what Corsair had on their website
scarlet lotus
Ooh but wait if you have the 360mm AIO on the front that really limits your spac...
Yeah I do
Should I maybe change cases?
cyan ravine
Yeah you'll fit the first aio, but the tubes of the first one will interfere with the second aio
potent portal
Yeah that case is really not meant for a high end build like this
cyan ravine
It's really short
scarlet lotus
Yeah you'll fit the first aio, but the tubes of the first one will interfere wit...
Yeah Fal’Cie changed my mind on the AIO
So I won’t be getting water cooled one