Tighten screws in an X pattern
#building-and-recc-chat
lunar abyss
I did
frank stirrup
Try again
Dont make any screw too tight
And put all screws halfway in before tightning em
lunar abyss
That isn’t working
I think it’s the battery or something
The fans aren’t spinning as fast as they were when I first put the cooler in
hallow escarp
So what exactly happened you had a working rig then you put the aio in and it doesnt want to display does it post?
desert gulch
aint no battery thatll magically just die like that
desert gulch
So what exactly happened you had a working rig then you put the aio in and it do...
no display output at all
frank stirrup
That isn’t working
Did u try it?
lunar abyss
So what exactly happened you had a working rig then you put the aio in and it do...
No display
frank stirrup
Also what cpu
lunar abyss
I5 I think
frank stirrup
Ok take off the cooler and the cpu
And send me a pic of the place where the cpu goes
Like th socket
hallow escarp
also try clearing cmos by popping the coin battery out for a minute
lunar abyss
What is that
frank stirrup
Send me the pic first
frank stirrup
also try clearing cmos by popping the coin battery out for a minute
I doubt its cmos
hallow escarp
I doubt its cmos
doubtful but it never hurts
frank stirrup
Fair enough
desert gulch
his battery is prolly gunna be under his gpu
desert gulch
@frank stirrup yo
frank stirrup
Yo had to go take care of cat
desert gulch
justified
strong raft
btw 12600K was $230 on newegg for a while. Now that would be a good price. Really nothing wrong with 12400(F) & a bonus to no E-cores would be no extra reliance on Win11. 
frank stirrup
Guys cpu is most probably dead btw
little osprey
blur 100
rotund zealot
Nice cooler
timid dragon
Hey I know it’s a rookie question but if I get 2 sets of the exact 2x16gb ram does it matter the slot I put each one?
frank stirrup
Hey I know it’s a rookie question but if I get 2 sets of the exact 2x16gb ram do...
Depending on what ram u buy even with the same kit, compatibility isnt guaranteed
Get a 2x32 kit
If u need 64gb ram
Its very overkill for most purposes tho
analog hearth
Hey I know it’s a rookie question but if I get 2 sets of the exact 2x16gb ram do...
like if you literally went on Amazon and when in your cart you selected the drop down for “Amount” and selected 2 from that drop down (so now you have two of the same exact kit), that’s basically like buying a 4x16GB kit. so, if you’re running dual-channel, it won’t matter because there’s only four slots
if you have a quad-channel mobo (8 slots), check your motherboard’s manual for what to do
timid dragon
Yeah I went on Amazon and selected 2 from the drop down
I have 4 slots
I was just worried my pc wouldn’t boot up if I didn’t put it in right
timid dragon
if you have a quad-channel mobo (8 slots), check your motherboard’s manual for w...
I’m buying a gigabyte x570s aero G so it only has four slots. But I could put the 4 ram however is what you’re saying?
analog hearth
yes
timid dragon
I appreciate all of you guy’s help thanks so much
timid dragon
Get a 2x32 kit
I would but for aesthetic purpose I like to have 4 sticks tbh😭
fossil cedar
But why
earnest olive
like if you literally went on Amazon and when in your cart you selected the drop...
this is not true
earnest olive
if you're buying a 4x16 kit you're getting an xmp profile rated for 4x16
analog hearth
ohhh
earnest olive
if you buy 2x 2x16 kits you're getting xmp rated for 2x16 that has a high chance of not working for 4x16
also, depending on the manufacturer, the kits of 2x16 may even have different ICs underneath
if you buy 2 kits of corsair 2x16 it's not unlikely you end up with 2 sticks of hynix afr and 2 sticks of samsung c-die that won't even boot xmp
frank stirrup
I would but for aesthetic purpose I like to have 4 sticks tbh😭
Why do u need 64gb ram tho
timid dragon
Why do u need 64gb ram tho
Just want to build an overkill pc
timid dragon
if you buy 2x 2x16 kits you're getting xmp rated for 2x16 that has a high chance...
I’m buying g.skill trident Royal series
frank stirrup
What cpu u got
timid dragon
5950x
earnest olive
64gb can actively reduce your gaming performance compared to 32gb of faster ram
so maybe you should re-evaluate
frank stirrup
Speed vs overkill
earnest olive
64gb is harder to run fast than 32gb
timid dragon
Ah okay so I shouldn’t get 64?
Idk cause I’ve seen people use kind of the same pieces and said 64 ram was better that’s why I thought it was
earnest olive
if you don't know why you need 64gb then you don't need 64gb
fossil cedar
Why do u need 64gb ram tho
Better having faster ram as long as you have enough of it
earnest olive
if you don't need 64gb then 32gb faster ram is objectively better
timid dragon
And it’s like a big controversy on ram cause I’ve seen people use 2 sets of 2x16 and it works perfectly fine but others say it won’t be compatible that’s why I wanted some input
earnest olive
it's a lottery
literally not possible to say if yours will work or not
at least at xmp
you can obviously run it stock or manual tuned
earnest olive
if all you're doing is gaming, the 5800x also beats the 5950x, and they also both generally lose to 12th gen
need to wait for more ryzen 7 5800x3d benchmarks to make a conclusion on that
but buying the most expensive parts does not always lead to the best performance
the most expensive ram kit I've seen was $10000 for a kit of 2TB 3200c22
that ram kit would get crushed by my 16gb $80 kit in gaming performance
my $300 ryzen 7 5800x also beats $8000 xeons and epycs at gaming
stoic island
the most expensive ram kit I've seen was $10000 for a kit of 2TB 3200c22
What about ballistix max lol
But anyways, faster ram > more ram
stoic island
I thought the 5133c16 or whatever was like 10000$
analog pulsar
that ram kit would get crushed by my 16gb $80 kit in gaming performance
Well if someone is buying 2TB ram I don't think they worrying about gaming performance
fossil cedar
were any ballistix max kits ever $10000
1k or something for 16gb of 5600c18 or something
analog pulsar
💀
stoic island
It was some crazy xmp
With a crazy price
Technically you could see gains going from like 2x16 SR 16gbit rev b to 4x16 SR 16gbit rev b
timid dragon
if all you're doing is gaming, the 5800x also beats the 5950x, and they also bot...
I’m doing gaming and content creating
fossil cedar
@earnest olive get recked
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nyYWGX/corsair-dominator-platinum-128gb-8-x-16gb-ddr4-3200-memory-cmd128gx4m8b3200c16
earnest olive
that's still not more than $10000
fossil cedar
I’m doing gaming and content creating
Most content creation will just be done on your gpu anyway
fossil cedar
that's still not more than $10000
Ohhh I thought it said 1k
earnest olive
we're talking about an 8x256gb kit here lol
stoic island
Sounds like something Forky would get
little osprey
Why does that exist
earnest olive
because some people have a use case for 2tb ram
little osprey
it’s much cheaper to buy 2x8
earnest olive
what of course 2x8 is cheaper
but do you think discord is hosted on a gaming PC with 16gb
earnest olive
true, the entirety of amazon aws probably runs on an i5-2310M with 8gb ddr3
they generally do
it's still ddr4 though
little osprey
Poopy corsair ram servers
little osprey
clicking tech deals for the 1029392th time instead of build chat
when will this end
obsidian wigeon
why the heck are the channels swapped around?
little osprey
Ask the mods
analog pulsar
because some people have a use case for 2tb ram
Ik I do 
analog pulsar
clicking tech deals for the 1029392th time instead of build chat
Haha skill issue
little osprey
😭
frank stirrup
Ask the mods
To screw with our muscle memory
fossil cedar
it's an evil scheme
H...h.... how did you know?
obsidian wigeon
the x99 bencher
little osprey
ignore the fact i've only submitted a few scores on lga2011-3 so far
fossil cedar
mossy venture
my brother has my x99 board 😔
i have your x79 board
mossy venture
skill issue
fossil cedar
Wow.... Bacca? More like wont give your boards backa
little osprey
😔
fossil cedar
little osprey
I like the idea of submitting #1 scores using less common or obscure boards
thats kinda what im doing on x79 with my extreme9 and p9x79-e ws
i had a fatal1ty prof and p9x79le but i dont have them anymore
mossy venture
i think you mean my extreme9
little osprey
the fatal1ty board was freaking cursed though
little osprey
i think you mean my extreme9
little osprey
i think you mean my extreme9
i still have my asus board
if i turn around and it isnt there anymore...
mossy venture
:)
tardy knoll
@sullen spoke so what I'm trying to understand is what numbers I can reference for overall run times on back ups.
Have a APC 1000va/600w
And a Cyber power pure sine 1500va/1000w.
Both under zero load. The APC estimates 312 min run time. While the cyber power is only 190
Kinda confused how that's possible.
My only thoughts are maybe APC is over estimating. Because the second it's under load of PC being on it drops to like 30-45 min (which I know it's gonna drop alot from no load to some load). Just not getting why roughly half the amount of run time in a significantly bigger UPS.
sullen spoke
im no electrician but it'd probably have to do with the fact that the cyber power is rated for higher output rather than capacity. But I'd say as long as you have 10-20min under some load you should be good. the purpose of a ups is to be able to gracefully shutdown rather than the pc or equipment suddenly shutting off that could cause harm to some configs. most ups have a usb or network port so you can tell your device to auto shutdown in the case of power loss or say auto shutdown if there is no power in x minutes, etc.
tardy knoll
Yea I just wanted to understand the difference. I thought the wattage rating was to handle higher output. Like the more wattage my PC draws bigger rating I'd need.
But I don't really understand the VA part and I thought that was the size of the UPS and the wattage was the load it could handle
And you're right I don't need but even 5 min to shut my PC down. Reason I'm torn on the battery life is because we do get outages here that aren't always brief and I'd like to be able to charge my phone etc. Which this new ups has a type c port on the front etc specifically for it
sullen spoke
va is volt amp rating. it is the max load ups can handle. 1000 or 1500va should be fine for a standard pc iirc
tardy knoll
Overall I still got the better ups. Got pure sine wave and can handle 400 more watts.
I just didn't expect the runtime differences and the OCD is kicking in.
My mind is saying keep both or return both and get even bigger one lol... This is my life
tardy knoll
va is volt amp rating. it is the max load ups can handle. 1000 or 1500va should ...
So what's the wattage then? As I thought that was the max load rating? Similar to the PSU having a wattage rating for how much it can output
sullen spoke
sometimes it could also just come down to how they test it. I think my ups gets like 30ish min on ~200w load
tardy knoll
I always understood wattage as power
tardy knoll
sometimes it could also just come down to how they test it. I think my ups gets ...
I gotcha. I guess I need to just test the thing out. Was hesitant to use it
Feel like APC could be blowing smoke with those high estimates. When the cyber power is under load should tell the truth id think
bright notch
does getting higher end CPUs make a difference in gaming?
tardy knoll
does getting higher end CPUs make a difference in gaming?
Sure, to an extent. More computing power. I is noob though.
fossil cedar
does getting higher end CPUs make a difference in gaming?
To an extent + depends on game, resolution and what gpu is being used with it
bright notch
oh okay.
tardy knoll
The cyber power is also like twice the size and battery is definitely much bigger. So the fact it shows less run time off gate irks me.
bright notch
I am probably just gonna stick with either Ryzen 5 or Intel i5 if that is the case because I don't want to go overbudget for something I don't really need.
sullen spoke
that's going to start getting out of my area of knowledge but wattage is the power being drawn vs apparent power? idk how to describe
tardy knoll
that's going to start getting out of my area of knowledge but wattage is the pow...
I thought the VA would be similar to amp hours. Which is usually associated with run time. The wattage is how big of a setup it could effectively power without being overloaded. That's my take on it atleast
If VA isn't associated with run time then idk what is. And it sounds like these companies make up these time estimates specific to each model of there's nothing to go off other than what they claim on the box...
It should be based off battery size and load capacity
sullen spoke
you can always try pulling the plug and seeing either how long it goes or see the estimates change
tardy knoll
Yea that's only thing left to do is see what the estimated run time is under load. PC draws about 100w running with just browser open. APC estimated 30-45 min... If the cyber power isn't better I'm just gonna be endlessly confused
I have to remind myself this is the better ups option regardless. Has 400w more and pure sine..
I waited because it suggested I plug the ups into the wall for 8 hours to make sure battery fully charged.
Just used to this kind of thing being more cut and dry. In car electronics there's no confusion. Ratings are ratings..
trail elbow
Recommendations for a motherboard for 12700k? And dual 3070s?
frank stirrup
sli gaming is dead tho
desert gulch
as for 3070’s, what ones are available near you and for what price?
desert gulch
sli gaming is dead tho
he might mean dual as in two fans
frank stirrup
2x3070 not as good at gaming as a single better card
desert gulch
since 3070 cant even bridge
desert gulch
well yeah dual 3070’s is plural cause theres many of them
strong raft
I thought the VA would be similar to amp hours. Which is usually associated with...
VA = W as in Volts X Amps = Watts but don't ask me why UPS has a certain wattage rating then a VA rating that's 50ish % higher. Perhaps the VA number is like the actual max wattage load it could handle, but runtime would be getting bad if load was 500+ watts. APC is more $$ but I'm tempted to get it:
tardy knoll
VA = W as in Volts X Amps = Watts but don't ask me why UPS has a certain wattage...
That model is a 1500va/600w.
The cyber power 1500/1000w was actually cheaper. On sale from 267$ down to like 219
strong raft
This apc is 900w, and temporarily $219 but I missed it.
tardy knoll
Oh. Well I saw ones for 240 that were only 600w.
The none pure sine option of same size was 1500/900 for 240
The pure sine was 1500/600 for 240
Make sure not mixing them up
tardy knoll
This apc is 900w, and temporarily $219 but I missed it.
I'd wager that's not the pure sine option.
Normal back ups. When I was browsing APC to get the 1500/600w pure sine it was 239$... Or could get older option without pure sine wave for same price and got 900w instead.
Well maybe you are seeing one for that price.
Hm
strong raft
I'd wager that's not the pure sine option.
Technically none of these are, but this is the one similar to the $220ish cyberpower
tardy knoll
There prices are all over the damn place it's a joke honestly
tardy knoll
Technically none of these are, but this is the one similar to the $220ish cyberp...
No that does appear to be the pure sine option
You were right
Says it right there sine wave UPS. The ones that don't offer pure sine won't say anything about it per what I've seen
Maybe I saw an older model APC UPS idk. Or got mixed up. Might have gone with the APC had I known. But overall the cyber power is getting better reviews it seems.
strong raft
Yep. I just wish there was an ez way to hook up a car battery or somethin. Runtime is about capacity aka AH amp hours & stock batteties are 10-20AH each while an average car batt is 100-200AH 🤣 - yeah so many various UPS devices! Is yours the $220ish model? Btw if similar load that 1000VA model would have lower runtime at the least, I guarantee. Well, certain average pc loads at least.
tardy knoll
VA -volt-amperes is apparent power....and Wattage is real power.
Well that's just a stupid way to rate
tardy knoll
Yep. I just wish there was an ez way to hook up a car battery or somethin. Runti...
Yea I got this for 219... Now I'm wondering if I shoulda got the 900w pure sine APC
I'll know for sure when I test the run time on the cyber power this evening
tardy knoll
I swear to god lol... At this rate I'ma be returning both the ones I got. I don't want the smaller APC I currently have as it threw a code already, don't trust it. And haven't tested the cyber power one yet came in yesterday
I read some stuff about the usb ports on APC option were crappy and the type c wasn't a true type C port. Assuming they mean turbo charging idk
It blows my mind that the advertised run time estimate is almost double on the APC. It's a 1000va/600, estimates 312 min runtime no load... The cyber power is a 1500va/1000w. It shows 190 min no load lol... Actually putting it under load will hopefully yield the results Im expecting
strong raft
Ah, oh that's pretty much the competitor to the apc I posted. APC batteries don't always last a long time, but ez to find replacements & of course UPS is what apc is known for. I think 1 or both of those are wrong. 300min sounds high on the 1000VA & 200ish seems way low for no load. I want one that could at least power a modem for 1 or 2 whole days. That's why I mentioned car batt , lol.
tardy knoll
Guess I'm gonna start making ups with ACCURATE ratings lmao.
This is driving me absolutely nuts... And it really shouldn't be.
Numbers are supposed to be the ONE absolute thing in this world.. why I like math
tardy knoll
Ah, oh that's pretty much the competitor to the apc I posted. APC batteries don'...
As you can see in my pic of them side by side... The APC immediately plummets to around 30-45 min run time with PC simply running.
I'ma test the cyber power this evening after work. Fingers crossed the run time estimate is higher under load as it freaking should be shouldn't it lol?
@strong raft PS there's youtubes of people hooking car batteries to UPS. Do what you wish with that information. I'm not messing with it.
When I build my tiny home in a couple years I'ma have battery back up for the entire house. Natural gas generator the whole 9. Screw the grid
Yoo did you know they make thermoelectric generators now you can attach to a wood burning stove? You can literally heat your home and power it with the wood stove
desert gulch
how much power can it put out?
I cant imagine you could get that much off a wood stove
tardy knoll
So cool. We are slaves to the grid. And it's so out of date it's not even funny. California already literally had to ask the small percentage of Electric vehicle owners to "to go easy on charging" last summer as they were about to collapse the grid LOL
tardy knoll
I cant imagine you could get that much off a wood stove
Man they get HOT. Don't underestimate power from heat
desert gulch
yeah but alot of that energy is lost in conversion
tardy knoll
People are powering small homes with them from what I've seen. But it was months ago I was sbinge watching it. Can't remember number stats.
desert gulch
hmm
strong raft
Yeah runtime is usually literally about Amp-Hours, like w/ battery power tools. Not a fan of the lcd screen because it uses some power, but oh well. Power from heat sure is interesting. Agreed on CA. Last year 7-8 days of no power if I recall. Around new years was running 3dmark at night when power shutoff, grr
tardy knoll
Maybe Im over estimating what it could do... But they burn coal to power modern homes.
I'd think a wood stove could power a small 200 sq foot home.
You're also not using any of that to the heat the house as that's already done
tardy knoll
Yeah runtime is usually literally about Amp-Hours, like w/ battery power tools. ...
One thing that was interesting is the cyber powers are energy star certified meaning they use less than 20-30% of the fed requirements. APC does not have that rating at all. They're pigs apparently
Or at the least the wood stove could be a source of charging for your batteries. Have solar power, wind, and recycle what energy you'd otherwise lose while heating your home into more power to sustain your system
desert gulch
yeah
strong raft
Idk if something on a stove could do much, but I'll sure look into it. Weird roof & I rent so Solar isn't in the cards (yet)
tardy knoll
It was just really freaking cool to me.
I also have wanted this special campfire stove that has a mini thermo generator on it and you can charge your phones, laptops etc while camping just by having a fire
tardy knoll
Idk if something on a stove could do much, but I'll sure look into it. Weird roo...
Search thermoelectric generators on wood stoves. People are playing with it for sure. I think it has potential.
We are just now really straying from relying on the grid. God knows how much information has been suppressed by big oil/tech
strong raft
I'll check. Fridge is really the biggest deal, although not a steady load & they have their high startup load.
strong raft
Usually not a concern. Before those old power shutdowns I would fill a bunch of extra water bottles & put them in fridge and freezer for more cold mass. It helped
desert gulch
yeah for sure
tardy knoll
I'll check. Fridge is really the biggest deal, although not a steady load & they...
The way I see it, is have a large battery system to power your home..and be able to recharge it multiple diff ways. Wind and solar in the summer... Rely more on heat from the stove in the winter
I think it's more powerful than people realize. Wood stoves get seriously hot.
Have y'all ever seen oil burning heaters that car shops use? They heat their shop for free using used motor oil. Dang things burn so hot once you get it lit that it's insane.
Lol say a video yesterday a guy put a tiny wood stove in his ford ranger because heater core went out... He cut a hole in the roof for the stack.
Had it 160 degrees in there dead winter lmao.
tardy knoll
put used oil into other customers cars
Lol please don't do that.
"here would you like some metal shavings from this person's car who didn't change their oil for 50k miles lol"
little osprey
put water in their car
tardy knoll
Either shops pay to dispose of the used oil, or they use a heater and burn it off efficiently. Probably arguably better than whatever they do to "recycle" it
little osprey
In gas tank
strong raft
Yeah I've used a kerosene heat many times. They put out some heat, also some smoke so not great in a home 😅. Whole home battery great but that really would be a huge load possibly. That's why a normal gas/diesel gen is so more common. Fuel getting expensive though. $6/gal here, yikes. Could be $30+/day on a gen.
tardy knoll
I think the use motor oil deal is about like recycling anything else.
I read that over 90% of what we put in recycling doesn't actually get recycled. Stuff like laundry detergent jugs and other stuff that people don't wash out. They just send it to the dump. The small percentage that's left gets exported to places like china where their recycling practices are more harmful than just tossing it in the dump
desert gulch
If the used oil is good enough, I just dump it in my fuel tank
strong raft
Recycling & saving money not buying heater oil or w/e.
tardy knoll
I use it on bike chains and stuff
That's tiny scale. Think commercial shop doing numerous oil changes per day. I'd fill up 50 gallon drums FAST... My first job was changing oil at 15
tardy knoll
If the used oil is good enough, I just dump it in my fuel tank
What you drive a diesel?
tardy knoll
I also use it on gravel places I don't want weeds growing
Oh God lol
desert gulch
Used motor oil actually does well on gravel areas
Just hope you never want to grow anything there
tardy knoll
6.6 dirtymax
Should talk to local restaurants they often have to pay to dispose of their used cooking oil.
strong raft
Lol, oil in tank isn't worse for a diesel? Guess that's better than a bit of gasoline in yhe tank.
desert gulch
Lol, oil in tank isn't worse for a diesel? Guess that's better than a bit of gas...
It's not a huge amount
A gallon in a 35 gallon tank won't do much
Diesels don't really care
Some diesels don't like it tho
tardy knoll
Lol, oil in tank isn't worse for a diesel? Guess that's better than a bit of gas...
No it's actually not. Diesels have INSANE compression compared to gas engines... Diesels don't need spark plugs. The compression is so high that it brings the ignition temperature down so low that the heat in the cylinders alone ignites the air/fuel mixture.
If a turbo seal or something blows and the engine starts sucking oil into it it can run away and blow up on its own.
strong raft
Used motor oil actually does well on gravel areas
True, I just think about how my grandparents have a well & I try to keep oil faw away from any ground water.
tardy knoll
Reason gas is bad for a diesel is because the ignition temp is too low. The mixture would ignite too early and cause engine detonation
tardy knoll
Alot of people think octane rating means bigger bang. It's actually it's anti knock rating meaning it's more resistant to combustion. High horsepower race cars need high octane rating
desert gulch
Yeah
Higher octane usually has better carbon scavenger properties too
I usually run premium in all my gas vehicles once a year or so
Just gotta make sure the cars computer can handle premium
tardy knoll
True, I just think about how my grandparents have a well & I try to keep oil faw...
I got physically attacked by a family member one time for saying I thought it was stupid I couldn't drill a well on my property if I lived in city limits.
Who knew the east coast was in a water crisis. Oh right it's not lol
desert gulch
Some can't and just knock like mad lol
tardy knoll
On premium?
Should be the opposite I'd think. But no telling with these new cars meant to run on a mix of Ethanol
tardy knoll
I meant going higher octane rating and then getting a knock
tardy knoll
The octane rating is the anti knock rating of that fuel. Higher octane less chance of knock
So many variables
desert gulch
Higher octane is resistance to detonation
tardy knoll
Which is the anti knock rating.
tardy knoll
Detonation and knock can be the same thing.
Some confuse that with like rods or lifters knocking. Sometimes a thicker oil viscosity can solve that kind of knock
Or adjusting the lifters
Old vehicles used to tell you how to adjust the valves etc in the owners manual. Now days people can't even change their oil LOL
But anyhow
It's gonna be a crazy day when I'm powering my PC with a fire LOL
desert gulch
Too lazy to screw with it just to run premium once a year
tardy knoll
Lol I lost my license for a while 😂
strong raft
Higher octane is resistance to detonation
Pre*-detonation.
tardy knoll
Stupid game. Really stupid prize
tardy knoll
Pre*-detonation. <:FedoraTip:885531005535002684>
Anti-knock rating** lol.
Pre-ignition is the word you want I think there. Pre-ignition is detonation
strong raft
Maybe, we know what I'm meaning though at least.
tardy knoll
Can be catastrophic in a gas engine since they have spark plugs too. You get two flame fronts colliding versus just a early ignition
tardy knoll
Maybe, we know what I'm meaning though at least.
Yea I'm no like world renowned expert by any means. Just sharing my memory of my time in a shop and auto school
Wasn't meant as a correction. We're all talking about same thing overall
I got to see a whole piston shoot out the side of an engine one time in school. Was a brand new crate engine on the engine dynos for first time ever. Was glorious. Teacher was mad... I was in tears laughing. Some idiot didn't torque the piston connectint rod cap to the crank properly and it came undone and exited the engine lol
desert gulch
Lmao
tardy knoll
Blow a hole out the side totally ruined it 😂😂
desert gulch
I saw a spark plug shoot out of a 5.4
strong raft
Thats nuts! All good. Hey I just bought this for $150 yesterday, wth bestbuy.
tardy knoll
I saw a spark plug shoot out of a 5.4
Try entire piston, rod and all coming out the side of a 350 V8
I made the teacher even madder because I was just dying laughing. I immediately said "what idiot didn't torque that down?"
desert gulch
Lmao
tardy knoll
I also got to tune cars on a chassis dyno an had a turboed Integra... Teacher would put a base tune on it down around 280 HP and we'd tune it up. Teacher said beat he'd ever gotten was like 403hp.
I went last because I wanted to observe. See what worked and what didn't.
I kid you not I hit 444hp and then the straps broke and car came off the dyno 😂
Teacher pulled me aside after class and whispered "wtf did you do you gotta tell me".
Priceless memories. Scared the teacher so bad as he was worried about people around the car as it really did jump clean off the dyno 😂
My only response I gave the teacher was "it's all about that VTEC baby"
Anddddd now I'm back to second guessing myself on that UPS lol. Was good while it lasted
desert gulch
I want proof smh
tardy knoll
Of ?
desert gulch
444
tardy knoll
If I had the spec sheet I'd show ya. This was before smart phones sadly
tardy knoll
No reason to lie. The block was built to handle 1000hp all day. Then was a bit under powered overall so students wouldn't hurt the car as easily doing diff things to tune it
tardy knoll
Part of it was going last. You get little more power after a few pulls in some instances. I had my strategies lol. Advance the timing a bit and I delayed VTEC more than anyone else had thought to try
desert gulch
Ye
tardy knoll
When VTEC kicked in the torque steer alone (fwd cars have one axle longer than the other so the short one gets more torque then pulls that way) almost pulled the car off the dyno. Teach looked at me like a deer in the headlights as he was driving
I'm the black sheep of the family who lost their license for a bit and the only cousin in my family who didn't go to university I went to trade school. Yet I fix all their stuff constantly..from cars to lawnmowers. They'd be helpless or spending money constantly on shop repairs if not for me
desert gulch
Yeah trade schools epic
tardy knoll
I hope to learn PCs at least close to as well as I know engines etc. Appreciate y'all's help for sure
desert gulch
I've considered it
tardy knoll
Yeah trade schools epic
Well, at the same time they're a scam. Be CAREFUL
tardy knoll
I found out after the fact that the school I went to (ATI in VA beach) wasnt failing kids that they should have. If they were getting a fat financial aid check they'd pass that student. Literally no shop would hire me anywhere once that school was on my resume
desert gulch
That sucks yeah
tardy knoll
They all said same thing "we've hired too many kids from these trade schools that just don't know sh**"
I'd be like "but I worked in a shop from literally my first job at 15 years old to now. I was putting cars on the lift before I could legally drive y'all.".
They didn't care
I had a friend tell me about this one shop hired a kid fresh out the nascar technical institute. Top school in the nation. He literally had to ask which way to turn the bolt to drain OIL
He didn't know righty tighty lefty loosey
desert gulch
Bruh
tardy knoll
The issue is in that environment people can get away with not learning. You got 8-10 students standing around a car watching a teacher. Some pay attention some don't.
desert gulch
Mhmm
Id go into the ice car field but I don't know how sustainable of a career that is
tardy knoll
You're better off going to a community college program in some cases as it's significantly cheaper and possibly much better credentials.
I'm refusing to pay my loan back because I went from a good job to not being able to get a job prior to enrolling in that school. It falls under a false certification. Meaning a school is offering a certificate that no employer considers valuable/credible... Worthless
desert gulch
Yea
tardy knoll
One community college near me has a solid auto program. I shoulda just done that one but I didn't know what I do now.
But all in all everything happens for a reason. I now manage a engineering firm and sit at a desk playing on my phone like right now
tardy knoll
Not breaking my back changing oil when I should be doing full diagnostics making bank. I have enough work experience alone to get master certified yet no shop would even look at me.
Just engineering they got a company they get surveying from
We also do some residential/commercial land development
desert gulch
Ah ok
tardy knoll
Building a neighborhood right outside my office.
Not having a license though... That's like the worst thing ever. .. doesn't matter I own 10% of the 750k valued building I work in. Sign my own paychecks etc.
Soon though. Hopefully this June I'll be in a company vehicle
tardy knoll
No. I had to learn that I'm just not like other people and alcohol does really wierd things to me
Most people get dizzy and sick if they drink too much.
I black out and no one can even tell . Basically become a different person per what friends told me. I haven't drank in over 4 years now and do not miss it
Apparently I drove one night and woke up in jail. Had no idea how I got there
desert gulch
Weird
tardy knoll
I went to AA meetings alot there at the beginning trying to understand it. Because I just wanted to have a few drinks with friends and be that social person etc. Was hard to come to terms with.
desert gulch
Mhmm
tardy knoll
But I wasn't alone. Some in AA describe it as an allergy to alcohol. Or that they call them spirits for a reason
Anyhow..didn't mean to stray from build chat. We just been having some solid convos today apparently lol
iron dragon
Ye lol
hey i need help with my build i wanna test the parts but i dont know what i am doing
i just wanna boot it up rq
to see if it works rn
desert gulch
What parts is it?
tardy knoll
Have you ever seen the original one that audio is from?
Idk how I missed that earlier. My discord loaded a ton of stuff in just now lol
In the original clip where the actual guy from OSHA shows up and says they got a shoring problem and the guy can't be down in the hole... Right after he says it the hole collapses and the guy down in there has to jump and hang from a pipe spanning across the hole. Almost died right there right after OSHA called them out. Crazy. Like he used his OSHA powers to prove a point
desert gulch
In the original clip where the actual guy from OSHA shows up and says they got a...
Yeah I've seen it lol
I'd be cursing myself if I was the guy in the hole
Ofc it has to collapse right when OSHA is there
still roostBOT
Ember#6293 has been warned
tardy knoll
I'd be cursing myself if I was the guy in the hole
SHOOT, lol I'd be tickled. If that was me I know id have already voiced concerns about doing things that aren't safe, woulda been made fun of and told to go down there anyways. And now OSHA witnessed it. Bout to get paiddddd lol
Woulda got me out of the hole and I'd have sprawled out like I'd been hit by a bus
When I worked at custom yacht place the fire dept showed up one day and was like "uh yea this entire list of things is wrong and if this shop catches on fire we will literally let it burn to the ground before entering the building and risking our fire fighters.
Coords draped on the floor, random piles of junk everywhere. Too many trip hazards in a smoked out environment. Was an eye opener to how legit some of their concerns are. OSHA is over the top sometimes tho
Joking about the lawsuit bit. I wouldn't have gone in the hole to begin with lol
trail elbow
fossil cedar
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144504?Item=N82E16813144504&Source=socialshare...
Nope, only ddr5
tardy knoll
Guess that one guy isn't gonna list his parts for help. Didn't mean to cut him off figured he was putting list together
tardy knoll
What parts is it?
@iron dragon
tardy knoll
I can't help I'm a noob. Just made sure you didn't feel overlooked
iron dragon
the artic cooler is causing me problems
tardy knoll
Mr111 can help most likely.
iron dragon
hopefully
fossil cedar
the artic cooler is causing me problems
How so?
woven wedge
Aight so......about a year ago I built my dad's pc. Last week it crashed a few times but we didnt have time to look into it. Then after one of the crashes the motherboard couldnt see the ssd. I tried another ssd i had and it booted windows just fine. So i put a clean windows install on the ssd and got it going. Then after a few minutes in game the pc crashes again. No blue screen just crash. He checked the temperatures and they werent out of the safe zone. I havent got to check the ram yet
iron dragon
https://youtu.be/YXg_Np4YJT4
it wont fit
nothing for me to unscrew either
nevermind
but how do i screw it in
@fossil cedar no where for me to screw in
earnest olive
did you try watching the video
jagged ember
did you install the backplate on the motherboard
iron dragon
did you install the backplate on the motherboard
theres 2
earnest olive
maybe you should read the manual that will tell you which one is for intel and which one is for amd
iron dragon
its online
earnest olive
then google the manual
ornate condor
12600k is better than 11700k right ? 
earnest olive
yes
desert gulch
Easily
little osprey
yes
viral ore
:bean:
strong raft
Hey at least sticking w/ gen3 nvme isn't exactly bad in general use.
earnest olive
it's funny cause my impression of 10th gen vs 11th gen comes from my laptop
iron dragon
the backplate i think is to small
strong raft
Oh so 11gen laptops actually a decent upgrade from a 10gen laptop?
earnest olive
my i7-10750H got 8000 cb and my i7-11800H got 15000 cb
both with liquid metal
same chassis (gp66 leopard)
same cooling
both undervolted
and the i7-11800H was cheaper
lol
strong raft
I'm waiting for decent i5 laptop to get under $400ish again. 
ornate condor
Alright thoughts about T-force SSDs 🤔
earnest olive
high yew
if one was to remove my stock cooler and put my new aio on when it comes in, how does removing it go? just unclamp the cooler and take off or do i have make the already applied thermal paste warm to actually take it off?
earnest olive
which stock cooler
high yew
intel
ornate condor
Looking for Cardea Z440 whixh is gen4 5000mbps
high yew
which stock cooler
12700f
earnest olive
no need to warm it up because intel socket doesn't suck
needing to warm it up is an AMD thing
strong raft
Just twist cooler a lil bit before pulling off. Twisting mods the suction.
earnest olive
if you somehow managed to pull an Intel CPU out of the closed socket you've probably shattered your motherboard into 400 pieces in the process
earnest olive
so just simply take cooler off how one would put it on
yes
high yew
sweet thanks y’all
earnest olive
12th gen still using push pins?
takes like 15 seconds to mount or unmount those push pin coolers
ornate condor
Once I pulled out amd cpu with cooler lmao
But you can't do it to intel
Intel socket securing cpu good into place
ornate condor
12th gen still using push pins?
I mean you can use it if theres still push pin cooler for it 
earnest olive
you just gotta twist the cooler instead of pulling for AMD
but it's definitely a worse socket than intel
good thing am5 will be similar to intel sockets
ornate condor
Luckily it worked again lol
earnest olive
I mean you can use it if theres still push pin cooler for it <:perfection:816740...
the stock cooler is still push pin I think
ornate condor
Yeah it is
fossil cedar
Looking for Cardea Z440 whixh is gen4 5000mbps
fine usually meh priced tho
ornate condor
Its just 90$
fossil cedar
90$ for 1tb?
ornate condor
Yup
strong raft
good thing am5 will be similar to intel sockets
I see any current amd cpu & just think of Intels Pentium 4. Cpu pins just feel so obsolete & old school. 
earnest olive
I prefer breakable pins on the cheaper component
fossil cedar
Its just 90$
where you seeing this price?
strong raft
Exactly. My cpu was $200+ & mobo only $150-175.
little osprey
bro $90???0
fossil cedar
I prefer breakable pins on the cheaper component
buys a msi godlike
fossil cedar
it's $800 off now
what a deal
earnest olive
insane deal only $1200
strong raft
$90 good but tbh "real" gen4 get 6-7GB/s instead of 4-5.
fossil cedar
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09NW23275/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_8G970NMG8FJZHDQQFAYD
ohh well if you need 16gb of ram its a decent drive sure but I would personally grab an mp34 instead
fossil cedar
do it pato
z690 godlike bad, x570 godlike good? 
ornate condor
Oh I think this one is better deal https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09V2X4GM6/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_R64NZPHPBNVZ7PP3WJ55
fossil cedar
thats way wrose
3600cl18 xmp is just as good or worse as 3200c16 xmp
heatsink will be provided by mobo
ornate condor
Its 32gb rgb ram and 1tb gen4 7000mbps ssd
tardy knoll
3 hours later in SpongeBob voice. "Ok YouTube how do I hook car batteries to these weak ass UPS without voiding warranty"
fossil cedar
that makes the drive 100ish$
ornate condor
Yup
fossil cedar
not good for 100$ imo
strong raft
It's basically only a deal if you need both parts. For ssd alone, I'd even take a P31 over that semi-no name team ssd
ornate condor
not good for 100$ imo
What about Sn770
earnest olive
z690 godlike bad, x570 godlike good? <:hmm:885706594564841503>
a320 godlike
ornate condor
It's basically only a deal if you need both parts. For ssd alone, I'd even take ...
I will use both parts but ofc can get separately tho
fossil cedar
What about Sn770 <:hmm:885706594564841503>
id personally go for https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zxw7YJ/samsung-970-evo-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s1t0bam
ornate condor
Gen3
ornate condor
But 3500mbps speed limit 
fossil cedar
But 3500mbps speed limit <:pepesus:904771344850386964>
speed limit
jagged ember
yeah, but sequential doesn't really matter in the majority of use cases
fossil cedar
not actual speed
jagged ember
and, that's also a limit
fossil cedar
UP TO 3500mb/s
jagged ember
its like sata 3, up to 6gbps or something iirc
ornate condor
Isnt gen3 x4 port limited to like 3600mbps or something
fossil cedar
1kb/ss is up to 3500mb/s
jagged ember
no sata drive ever gets anywhere close to that
fossil cedar
Isnt gen3 x4 port limited to like 3600mbps or something
uhhh idk the hard limit of the top of my head but unless youll only be moving large files rand is more important
jagged ember
uhhh idk the hard limit of the top of my head but unless youll only be moving la...
only if you're moving large files constantly, too
if you do it once or twice that's not justified
earnest olive
the theoretical limit is 4 GB/s = 32 Gbps
but overhead prevents any drive from actually hitting that on gen 3
same with gen 4 at 8 GB/s
jagged ember
for basically all consumers rand speed is much more important
earnest olive
no drives do 8
jagged ember
as pato said already tho lol
strong raft
no sata drive ever gets anywhere close to that
Although most hdds only actually hit 4.5Gb/s (200ish MB/s), but no big deal
During long extended, war pig remember that a gen3 drive also would generally run much cooler than a gen4 drive, thermal throttle only occurs after 100+ seconds solid writing for most drives (aka 200+ GB)
ornate condor
I still would go for gen4 for extra few bucks
fossil cedar
Rand > gen
jagged ember
you already asked about the sn770
desert gulch
Mp33 and a60 are also great value
frank stirrup
Sn570 too
strong raft
If you wanted 2TB, S70 Blade is $220 on Amazon, just sayin.
desert gulch
Yeah it's a good deal
frank stirrup
Prolly quite a bit more for a 1tb
10$ more than a60 for a better drive
ornate condor
I got my M470s for cheap at black Friday lol let me check current prices
Oof
Looks like I gonna end up with sn850 again lol
stoic island
Just go s70 blade if you were going for sn850, basically same thing cheaper
And yes plug your cooler into CPU_fan
ornate condor
I think I gonna go for T force bundle . 32gb rgb ram + 1tb ssd for 190$ is looking alright to me . I just not sure about is those ssds are reliable or not
iron dragon
if it dont boot imma cry so hard
ornate condor
yea i am really confused at the psu lol
Is it modular ?
iron dragon
ikr
tardy knoll
Ok people I just got the GOSPEL from our tech support company at work regarding back ups options.
First of all, the run time estimates under 0 load are not accurate.
Second of all, when comparing a regular ups to a pure sine ups, the pure sine is going to consume more battery life faster to produce pure sine wave versus square/stepped sine.
AND home class back ups frankly suck. They don't truly protect from surges... If a surge happens that exceeds the joule rating on that device then BOOM zero warranty coverage on all your devices. That's the fine print. He recommended a minimum of a 2800 joule rating. Which is stepping up to business class back ups and literally costs like 5-600$. ...
strong raft
my gpu is kinda sagging
That's gravity in effect. Good
iron dragon
thanks chillin
very helpful
so the sagging is good?
OHHHH
i am so stupid
its not in the case ofc its gunna sag
ornate condor
strong raft
LuL. Nah, but some sag is fine & expected. Remember the 2 screws in the back where monitor plugs in. I mean the 2 that hold gpu flat.
iron dragon
<:FedoraTip:885531005535002684>
<:PepeBean:885531014565339146>
yes
ok so with the psu
i am so confused with it
tardy knoll
He said only our server at the office has a business class back ups, aka smart ups... And then all the work PCs use home class back ups. I'ma roll with what I got
iron dragon
i need help with the psu
ornate condor
i am so confused with it
İts hard to miss lol most PSUs have lebelled cables
earnest olive
there are plenty of videos on this
earnest olive
go watch a video guide it will be much more helpful than people trying to explain this over text
ornate condor
Just be careful with cpu and gpu cables lol . Gpu is 6+2 while cpu is 4+4
Both 8pin tho
jagged ember
psu should also have a manual to tell you what you need to plug in
ornate condor
Its alright
iron dragon
it says pwr 2 for cpu
ornate condor
Its cpu
ornate condor
Pgu is 6+2
iron dragon
is that ok
ornate condor
If you connected 8pin its pretty enough
iron dragon
ok
strong raft
AND home class back ups frankly suck. They don't truly protect from surges... If...
Yep. Some warranties are better than others. I thought cyberpower would replace fried stuff, but idk. Indeed home UPS boxes aren't fantastic. It's a big money maker. Oh I looked up the smart ups. They big, possibly a better battery thus longer runtime. Indeed $500ish. "Cloud" based crap is part of what they're about.
Btw Eric for the cables, the solid 8pin end would be what goes into the psu while obviously the 4+4 or 6+2 goes to cpu/gpu. 👍. Mobo cable might have 2 ports on psu, it's labeled if so.
strong raft
Gpu cable might be labeled vga or pcie. Sata is for hdd/ssd, perif is for fans or w/e.
iron dragon
pci yes
ornate condor
There should be 8pin cables which probably have 2 end tho
iron dragon
ssd i just put it into its slot
ornate condor
Connect gpu cables and only thing left is fans
Or controller if your case have one
ornate condor
Oh then its just gpu left
iron dragon
yes
strong raft
If gpu has 2 ports on it, 2 separate cables if best. 👍
iron dragon
just one
ornate condor
One cable 2 end works fine with 3060 and 3060 ti tho . Idk about over it
iron dragon
mines 8 pin
but the pcie thing comes with a 6+2 pin
and i cant get the 2 to go in
should i try more or just try to boot
hard badge
Finally made a decision on a case for the console i wanted to build. Will be able to build the Steam OS console build tomorrow. :D 11400 + RTX 3050 cause I'm too lazy to get amd stuff.
strong raft
and i cant get the 2 to go in
If you have more than 1 cable just try the other one. Take your time. Indeed the 6+2 ends can be awkward.
little osprey
and i cant get the 2 to go in
shouldn’t have to force it
iron dragon
wont go in tho
little osprey
You sure the pinout matches?
iron dragon
yes
hard badge
And can't really get cheaper than a 250$ 3050 these days tbh. Could use the 2060 i have but it's a Phoenix fan 🔥 you know?
iron dragon
it goes in by itself but not with the other one
strong raft
Perhaps 2pin is twisted the wrong way. If the holes match it will go in next to the 6pin part.
ornate condor
You need to groud power on button pins on mobo
iron dragon
elaborate
ornate condor
Alright take your mobo manual and look for front panel pins
Look for Pins which power button of case should connect . And connect those 2pins with screwdriver or something thats it
ornate condor
Just have to connect it with metal lol
iron dragon
yes
ornate condor
Still nothing ?
iron dragon
si
ornate condor
tardy knoll
I am now the UPS gatekeeper. Y'all got the PCs themselves lol
jagged ember
you need to look for the front panel pin section in mobo and correlate the two pins labeled as power switch to what you see on the mobo
then short those two
tardy knoll
I got more info in 10 minutes from my work's tech support than I did in days of various discords.
jagged ember
might be labeled PWRSW or something
ornate condor
Not a good question but did you turned on power switch on psu ? 
iron dragon
yes lol
ornate condor
I had reconnected everything because I forgot to turn it on before lmao 
iron dragon
not that hard
iron dragon
not pins
jagged ember
please don't do that
iron dragon
like its stuck or sum'
jagged ember
i thought you was pulling out the front panel pins
iron dragon
no
ornate condor
Lmao
jagged ember
make sure you're pushing down on the little tab on the psu cables
iron dragon
ok
jagged ember
then pull
iron dragon
still nothing
jagged ember
it might take more force than you think to remove something like the 24 pin lol
jagged ember
it should require some force, but not so much you feel like you're ripping out your fingers
the latter is too much
ornate condor
Actually you can see if it's fit or not too
jagged ember
double check front panel pinout on your mobo manual
iron dragon
does it have to just be those 2
ornate condor
Theres several pins around it but you need exactly 2 one
Which is power switch button connection
iron dragon
so it cant touch any other pins?
ornate condor
No others are different things like reset switch, power led and hdd led
iron dragon
ok
jagged ember
should look similar to this
it will vary for your motherboard
so** don't** use this as your pinout reference
iron dragon
i found it
@jagged ember @ornate condor so i just have my gpu cpu and mb plugged in
am i missing sim?
jagged ember
you don't have a case yet right
if you're just testing your parts, that should be enough to get a boot if everything works
and is plugged in correctly
iron dragon
should be
jagged ember
okay, it is enough
but yk, cpu fans, sata plugs if you have hard drives, and other fans
not needed for a boot, but could plug them in for a test
iron dragon
wideus#
i am still having trouble
is there something broken?
@jagged ember
yes
strong raft
How they're great is i figure someday a power outage will mess up something in my pc or cause some data failure. I'll get a UPS next month and/or as soon as they drop a few extra $$.
iron dragon
?
strong raft
Sorry, meant to reply to someone. Eric, did psu come with a psu tester? Can also stick a paper clip into 2 specific pinholes of the 24pin cable to test it(then you'd switch it on). I forget which. That would be no other cables hooked up btw
iron dragon
i’ve been trying to unplug the mb power thing
i can’t do it
it’s in there good
yes
also 24 pin is stuck
wdym
no case yet
i think it might be the mb
i tested the gpu and it works
cpu should be fine
just took off the cooler to see the pins on it
looks good
little osprey
24 pin always a struggle to get off
Keep in mind i don’t even have 24 pin so i am just copying what others say
😂
tardy knoll
How they're great is i figure someday a power outage will mess up something in m...
Keep in mind what I learned and shared earlier. The joule rating is probably one of the most important things after making sure it's big enough for your build.
Also, a Pure Sine Wave option will consume power a bit faster than a normal one. So comparing run times across simulated sine to pure sine is tricky.
tardy knoll
also 24 pin is stuck
It's not stuck. Just difficult to finagle loose. You can do it just find a good position to committ a little more to undoing it.
iron dragon
idk what to do rn
it’s not booting up and imma just keep the 24 pin in there for now
tardy knoll
it’s not booting up and imma just keep the 24 pin in there for now
No dude. They're trying to get you to do an extremely simple test as it sounds like your PSU is no good and that's why nothing works
Doing the paperclip test was literally recommended to me by ABS on one of their prebuilts I'd just bought 2 months prior. They told a total beginner to do it. And I did. And it was in fact a bad PSU. It's really easy you just gotta committ to taking that plug out
Find a place to push back on the Mobo a bit if youre worrying about it flexing while pulling on the 24 pin
Could also try getting a small pick under the outer edges of plugs to get a little leverage on it. Once it unseats a little bit comes off easy
strong raft
Perhaps get a small flathead screwdriver or similar and pry up alternating sides of that 24pin if you can. Beat by a second on that last part, lul.
tardy knoll
iron dragon
so it’s a bad psi?
tardy knoll
Perhaps get a small flathead screwdriver or similar and pry up alternating sides...
I'm so glad I had experience dealing with engine wiring harnesses
iron dragon
psu?
tardy knoll
so it’s a bad psi?
The paperclip test will CONFIRM such...
tardy knoll
No one can tell you it's bad until you do that test. But that's what it sounds like.
iron dragon
i could try that it’s 900w
mossy venture
This does not sound safe
iron dragon
also another small problem
fossil cedar
@iron dragon you're not getting any fans spinning or anything?
iron dragon
<@655575298753953813> you're not getting any fans spinning or anything?
nothing
tardy knoll
Huh
He asked if his PSU was bad.
And a paperclip test is literally the go to way to do it. Even ABS tech support told me to do that...
mossy venture
What is a paperclip test
iron dragon
i can’t find a paper clip
tardy knoll
Don't jump in claiming things aren't safe when you don't even know what it is. ..
strong raft
Google bruh, it's a 25 yr old trick 🤣
mossy venture
Chill
tardy knoll
What is a paperclip test
You bridge the power and ground on the PSU and if fan comes on you know the PSU isnt the issue. If nothing happens it's bad
mossy venture
Ah
tardy knoll
Take 24 pin off. Slots 3 & 4 or 4& 5 can be bridges for the test. 4 is power pin and 3 or 5 are both grounds.
fossil cedar
You bridge the power and ground on the PSU and if fan comes on you know the PSU ...
If fan doesn't turn on*
strong raft
i can’t find a paper clip
Any piece of blendable metal/wire should work btw.
tardy knoll
If fan doesn't turn on*
Yes sorry typo
If you bridge the PSU ground and power pins and nothing happens. Bad PSU. And being you've tested so much else that's likely the cause.
You can also disconnect everything from the PSU if worried about bridge test. But abs even told me to just unplug 24 pin and do it. In that case other stuff would power on too if the PSU was good. If nothing happens it's bad.
strong raft
Perhsps this helps: https://gpushack.com/blogs/news/43997828-psu-paper-clip-test
tardy knoll
Perhsps this helps: https://gpushack.com/blogs/news/43997828-psu-paper-clip-test
3 is also a ground. Depends on who ya ask. Some say do 3&4. Some say 4&5. I did both just to be extra sure.
strong raft
True, sometimes more complex/detail is just confusion
iron dragon
Any piece of blendable metal/wire should work btw.
like what
could i strip a wire would that work?
strong raft
Yep
iron dragon
ok
tardy knoll
Yes if it's solid wire. Not like frayed bundle of thin wires.
No cable wires or anything. Solid piece of copper. Nothing crazy, think paperclip thickness at most
YouTube it if needed. Paperclip test for PSUs
It's stupid common.
This is a very common test in automotive field too. If I want to check if a relay is bad, or a fuse that I can't see is visibly blown....jumper wire that thang and get an answer
iron dragon
shucks
tardy knoll
I won't lie it sketched me out at first too but once I understood what I was being told to do it made sense.
Even ABS tech support told me to do it and if there was potential for me to screw stuff up they wouldn't do such a thing. As the PC is under full warranty still.
tardy knoll
You live with parents?
iron dragon
yes
tardy knoll
As they surely got some papers or something somewhere could steal a paperclip from. Or just ask em
tardy knoll
Don't recommend stripping wires
We were talking about purely scrap wires to make a jumper ... Not stripping wires off his PC. First off you'd have to take wires out of plug sockets and that defeats the purpose of the test..
iron dragon
idk if that could work or not
tardy knoll
It's actually better to use a nice jumper wire over a paperclip. But clip works fine.
fossil cedar
i tried a piece of a mouse trap but nothing
What i7 and what motherboard
iron dragon
What i7 and what motherboard
scroll up a pc list is in here
fossil cedar
We were talking about purely scrap wires to make a jumper ... Not stripping wire...
Ahh that's okay then
tardy knoll
It sounds like per the tests others already walked him thru he needs to test his psu
Eric didn't you say you have a second psu you know is good? If you can't do clip test then swap them out? If it's appropriate size ratings for your build that is
fossil cedar
@iron dragon just to double check.... You have the display cable connected to the graphics card when trying to turn it on?
iron dragon
<@655575298753953813> just to double check.... You have the display cable connec...
hdmi yes
tardy knoll
yes but it’s in my prebuilts
If your parents can't find you a paperclip or something similar I'll be shocked lol.
fossil cedar
Have you tried a different cable/checked that cable is working on a different device/checked a different port
iron dragon
would a mouse trap thing work?
tardy knoll
Have you tried a different cable/checked that cable is working on a different de...
Would that even matter in some cases? Sounds like it's totally dead
iron dragon
gpu works btw
fossil cedar
Would that even matter in some cases? Sounds like it's totally dead
Definitely
iron dragon
i tested it
tardy knoll
would a mouse trap thing work?
If the wire is near same thickness of a paperclip, and you can take a small section and bend it into a U shape then sure.
fossil cedar
If it's not detecting gpu it will not post
iron dragon
yea nothing
tardy knoll
Definitely
But if the PSU was bad it wouldn't tell us anything. I'd think he should verify that before cables if the whole PC won't power on?
You know more than I though just asking.
fossil cedar
Okay wait, have you tried shorting power pins manually with a screwdriver just incase the case's button is broken?
tardy knoll
Okay wait, have you tried shorting power pins manually with a screwdriver just i...
No he can't get the 24 pin plug out. Hesitant to committ to it.
Oh you mean some other way
fossil cedar
No he can't get the 24 pin plug out. Hesitant to committ to it.
The power pins aren't on the 24 pin
They're on the motherboard
tardy knoll
There is a power and ground pin in the 24 pin plug.
fossil cedar
Yes but that's different
tardy knoll
Yes I just misread what you were asking if he'd done at first.
That clip test is such a simple test and rules out a big potential cause. I'd personally start there but I've only dealt with a bad PSU thus far lol so I'm a tad biased I guess
iron dragon
when i did it my monitor turned on but said no signal
tardy knoll
Did what?
fossil cedar
when i did it my monitor turned on but said no signal
Fans spinning?
tardy knoll
Pato can help I'm sure just need more details
tardy knoll
Is the monitor even something to go off here? I thought you'd said the PC wasn't cutting on at all.
fossil cedar
Okay, go to your front panel header, should be bottom right of the motherboard.... Find the pwr pins and short them with a screwdriver or something
I'd say the monitor saying no signal was a coincidence
tardy knoll
I'd think so. Coulda been powered on and bumped off sleep just to say no signal idk
tardy knoll
Okay, go to your front panel header, should be bottom right of the motherboard.....
He's gonna need far more details than that. I would lol.
Like visual representation type stuff.
Sounds exactly like starting an old car by wedging a screwdriver in between the starter's terminals hehe
iron dragon
ok wait
tardy knoll
He's talking about something you can do without undoing the 24 pin
iron dragon
fossil cedar
Nope not there
fossil cedar
It should say like frnt panel or something
iron dragon
jusb2?
tardy knoll
Do you know specific Mobo you have? The manual will have a diagram and he can circle what you need to find
iron dragon
pro b660-a
tardy knoll
What brand? Asus? Sorry I'm a noob overall but I can least pull the manual up for you
iron dragon
also the other psu is 600 it was just upside down
tardy knoll
also the other psu is 600 it was just upside down
They come upside down so the fan can pull air thru bottom of case to cool psu
So he needs to look on the corners of his Mobo, for some pins with the label "Jfp1" next to it correct?
I c
@iron dragon here's what you needed to find.
Now you'll need them to tell you what two pins to touch with a screwdriver
elfin flame
tardy knoll
Jynx
Haha
My circle better ☺️
Lmao jk jk
What's he need to do next? And is there anything he needs to not have hooked up while doing this test?
tardy knoll
Unless it's like 15 seconds or you have nitro uploading vids can be a pain
tardy knoll
Idk, depends on the test. Pato or Rommy will know. Probably pulling you a pic of what pins to hit or something
elfin flame
tardy knoll
?
iron dragon
nothing
brittle copper
Does anyone know a way to reduce power draw of a processor without changing the code voltage?
tardy knoll
@iron dragon can you get a better pic really close up of the JFP1 plug and then could show you exactly what pins?
iron dragon
<@655575298753953813> can you get a better pic really close up of the JFP1 plug ...
ik what pins
tardy knoll
Oh ok
iron dragon
the ones above the no pin one
still nothing
is there another way to test the psu
?
tardy knoll
is there another way to test the psu
The paperclip test after unplugging 24 pin
And that was only testing the case's power button what you just did
I think
iron dragon
it didn’t work
tardy knoll
What didn't work?
tardy knoll
Yes undo the 24 pin plug..
tardy knoll
Have you tried a small flat head to ease the plug off?
Yall thing PC plugs are hard.... Try the same thing but put them under the hood of a car that the engine gets few hundred degrees hot.... And all the plastic plugs become brittle as heck..
iron dragon
lmao
tardy knoll
I know this lol... I was just giving reassurances that it could be far worse.
tardy knoll
I was sketched first time undoing my 24 pin.
You have it out of the case too.
tardy knoll
not so much working on em tho
Depends on the car and the work lol.
iron dragon
ok now what’s the paper clip test
obsidian wigeon
yeah it depends on the car really
just an oil change is doable
and the basic maintenance
but let's get back to pc
tardy knoll
With the plug clip facing you, the 4th and 5th plugs on bottom row from the right corner in. Bridge with the paper clip, or some thin piece of metal.
obsidian wigeon
the 24 pin is so difficult to pull
brittle copper
Why does my 12900KS pull more watts than my 12900K at the same override voltage and clocks?
iron dragon
what could it be then
stoic island
Probably could be a few things
Maybe it's VRM being inefficient
maybe it's LLC things
could be bad voltage regulation for some reason
Measurements not precise enough
stoic island
was talking about the 12900ks vs 12900k thing
brittle copper
What PSU? Assuming you did paperclip test and no fan spin
AX1600I
ornate condor
was talking about the 12900ks vs 12900k thing
I heard 13900k will have 5.8ghz speed lol
tardy knoll
Yayyyy I ended up getting my cake and ice cream both this time around. Got pure sine wave and have almost double the estimated run time while under a small load... Estimates under no load are clearly not accurate lol
cyan ravine
Could also be leakage. It's the same CPU just binned really.
strong raft
no load estimate is like saying how much HP a car makes at idle, which isn't much.
tardy knoll
It's just wierd they even try to give one.
My APC 1000va/600w said 312 minutes lol
And the new cyber power sine 1500va/1000w said 190
Under about 100w load it's one hour roughly for the cyber power and about 30-40min for the apc
iron dragon
What PSU? Assuming you did paperclip test and no fan spin
yes psu works paper clip test worked
tardy knoll
So fan did spin
stoic island
yes psu works paper clip test worked
Clear cmos yet?
mossy venture
though ig ram is unlikely
itd most likely be a diff issue if ram
cant hurt to reseat it though
stoic island
reseating is fun
tardy knoll
I'm just observing and learning. And trying to help if I can simply how things are communicated lol. The way some stuff was said to me earlier on was like HUH
mossy venture
ember which b660 did they have?
tardy knoll
Can't remember other than pro
iron dragon
Clear cmos yet?
?