building-and-recc-chat

[tardy knoll]

This is freaking ridiculous. And of course I'll probably get zero help from Newegg

[stoic island]

Why not try anyways?

[tardy knoll]

Try what?

[stoic island]

Try to contact support

[tardy knoll]

And what will they do? Make me mail it in and wait 8 months?

[jagged ember]

just do it

nothing much else you can do now, right?

[stoic island]

Could try a new PSU, but simplest option is probably to just ask them what they could do, maybe they'll ship you a replacement PSU, maybe they'll ship you a replacement system, who knows

[tardy knoll]

It made audible grinding noises.

That sounded like way more than the PSU like the whole damn thing blew up or something.

I flipped breaker, turned UPS back on, hit the power button on PC and made a god awful grinding noise and didn't do anything. Now it's totally DOA no noises

[formal girder]

Again contact support or test it with a new PSU

[tardy knoll]

I'd imagine they're done for the day unless it's 24/7...

Couldn't even get thru episode one of the new Halo series...

Definitely don't have another PSU nor the first clue on how to install one myself

[formal girder]

Support will respond as soon as they can and installing a new PSU isn't hard as most PSU has each cable labeled

As well as we are willing to help guide you through the process if needed

[tardy knoll]

What section do you even contact there's only an option to check order status, or to do a return. Or other totally unrelated options. Pretty sure I'm on a endless hold at this point

Newegg is just pushing it onto ABS.

Hasn't even been 2 months lol that's horrible luck...

Wowww wth...they transferred me to ABS and said just leave a message they'll call back in the morning... It says "leave a message after the tone" and then immediately hung up on me

Lol that's reassuring.

[stoic island]

Probably don't want to call them at this time, website support might be better suited for this kinda thing

[tardy knoll]

The Newegg support guy said it's on ABS to walk me thru troubleshooting

I was nice and polite so it wasn't anything on my end idk

[stoic island]

It's true that ABS would be better suited for support, Newegg support isn't really specialized, they're just random customer support people

Thought ABS had a contact on the website though

At least a email or smth

[tardy knoll]

I have a number. But the Newegg guy just transferred me and said I'd likely have to leave a message this late. Which he did and I got to that point then it just hung up lol

Trying to call again but they close in 15 min so probably aren't gonna answer

I was able to leave a message that time..

Someone told me they think the breaker put PSU in some kind of safety mode. And thinking the backups I'm using just didn't work idk?

[desert gulch]

Sounds like a crappy ups to me

The bigger question should also be on why the breaker even tripped

A whole house losing power is one thing, but one circuit losing power is another

[vague oracle]

Doesn’t Newegg support just tell people to come here?

[desert gulch]

Sometimes

If it's an issue that we can fix

But a dead PC is not one of them

[vague oracle]

That’s a shame

[desert gulch]

Ig grinding noise is probably fault of psu

[stoic island]

and yea sometimes

If the UPS worked, the PSU should not have done anything

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[jagged ember]

I wonder which ups it was

[stoic island]

if the UPS didn't work, the PSU would've shut itself off somehow, tripping a protection

[desert gulch]

Tripping a breaker is also a huge concern

It usually takes a lot of power to trip those

Typically a 15/20amp is common depending on the circuit you're in

So like 1600-2100 watt hours to trip?

Assuming its never been tripped before, since those breakers are only highly accurate on the first trip

[strong raft]

It's not actually a big surprise breakers wear out or fail eventually, at least if they've been tripped a few times. Could be a bunch of stuff plus a hair dryer or vac was running, who knows

[still roost]

Ember#6293 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[desert gulch]

Space heaters draw alot of heat

I'm going to guess the ups is at fault

[tardy knoll]

So how does that play out if so.

They won't honor warranty or?

[desert gulch]

Idk, does the ups even still work?

[strong raft]

Rma UPS and/or psu. Fail is a fail, and it wasn't* user error imo.

[tardy knoll]

As I have no clue. The backups worked perfectly fine at the office so I don't see how it would suddenly fail, trip a breaker and fry the PC.... Seems more like the PSU went beserk and tripped the breaker... The backups protects from things coming from the house's power...but not going the other direction

[desert gulch]

Ofc yeah

[tardy knoll]

Then it's not the backups fault. Sounds irrelevant to the issue

[desert gulch]

Still could be

If it started feeding the PSU really crappy power, like way out of cycle or voltage, it could cause the PSU to fail past a point

[tardy knoll]

Well Ive not done anything outside the normal usage for a PC. Got 2 monitors, and the PC that's literally it. Been using it with no issues since I got it. Was just watching TV on Amazon prime and whatever happened, happened in the 10 minutes I was upstairs getting food.

We do have some storms going on but the whole house wasn't effected. Unless it was a instant flicker, which did something to pop the breaker downstairs 🤷

[desert gulch]

Yeah

What's the ups rated for on power draw?

[tardy knoll]

It's a backups 600. What they used at work for their i7 pro systems for engineering

Idk the power draw rating. I was just trying to protect the PC from lightning LMAO I don't even care about the battery part

[desert gulch]

I'd be leaning towards ups being overloaded on power draw, but the fact you weren't gaming or something means it shouldn't fail right then

[midnight urchin]

send link

[tardy knoll]

I also had the show I was watching paused

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[strong raft]

NgL I hate ups ratings in VA. It's watt rating is 450ish. Batteries don't last forever either. Run time would be 10-30min. Ups batteries are so tiny compared to a car battery.

[tardy knoll]

I've also tried just plugging into the wall, and it's still dead. So whatever did go wrong hurt the PC badly. I left power supply unplugged for a few hoping maybe there was some memory stored for a safety mode or something that would clear itself but nope

[desert gulch]

Could always paperclip test the PSU, but I'd just go towards Newegg/abs rma first before messing with it

[tardy knoll]

And I have played big mmos etc with no issues..I've had both monitors on running games and music and programs etc etc.

I had one monitor on watching Amazon this time that's it.

Yes I'm just trying to keep my composure for the night.

I already let that partially broken plastic lawn chair out front feel my wrath lol. Damn thing exploded into like 100 pieces. It was surprisingly relieving. Literally exploded when I threw it into the brick wall

I'm not doing crap to it. I don't want to be liable I want the warranty.

Also broke a few flower pots. I almost trashed my whole garden I was so mad

[desert gulch]

Yeah I agree with you on not screwing with it

[tardy knoll]

Hitting the power button seemed to do enough damage all on its own. That noise was horrendous... I hate to say it but I'm leaning towards the motherboard being fried by the PSU like someone mentioned being possible...

Had a laptop motherboard fry many many years ago and it just sounds familiar idk

That's my theory, I think the PSU grenaded my PC...

[desert gulch]

Yeah who knows tbh

[tardy knoll]

Idk but it sucks...

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[tardy knoll]

I've been waiting over 10 years for a new desktop gaming PC an made it two months. I work and come home that was my one thing to enjoy myself.

[desert gulch]

Yeah I kinda know that feeling

It sucks, but it's all uphill after that

[forest lava]

I think the weirdest part about building my PC is how a random bag of non-tech related screws and a screwdriver which came with my offbrand monitor's desk stand were the only tools I needed to put it together

[tardy knoll]

I hope so... I'm worried about this warranty claim being that it's totally dead and can't really diagnose anything.

I'd assume they expect you to ship the PC back before sending a warranty replacement?

[desert gulch]

yeah

probably

[tardy knoll]

Have any of y'all dealt with ABS warranty stuff before?
What happens if I mail the PC back, and they refuse to send me a replacement? Am I gonna be out the broken PC too? If so I'd be better off taking it to the tech support company who runs our engineering firm's server etc. They've built all the work PCs themselves.

As much as it would tick me off to pay to have it fixed after only 2 months, I'd rather do that than be without a PC for 6 months dealing with people over the phone...

Trying to just forget about it for tonight and going to call ABS first thing when they're open tomorrow

[jagged ember]

ABS isn't artesian builds

if they do that, chargeback or sue them

[potent portal]

ABS is Newegg's house brand, it's highly unlikely they'll refuse service without very good reason (or go out of business suddenly and take your money)
It also tends to be one of the better brands for "budget" gaming rigs.

I've also seen plenty of cases where if you've done troubleshooting already and you need a part replaced, you don't need to send the whole PC

[jagged ember]

In short, they're not artesian builds

[desert gulch]

Boutta buy an abs PC and say the "GPU dies randomly"

Infinite money glitch?

[potent portal]

You still need to send in broken parts

[desert gulch]

Oh I'll send in broken parts

Dw about that

I'll just ship a gpu back via fedex

They won't even know what gpu it started as after Kenzie is done

Ship back an old gt card and heatsink

[little osprey]

Infinite money glitch

[mint venture]

With the ENIAC builder assembly, do they attach the fans in the accessories section?

[fossil cedar]

What do you mean exactly?

[mint venture]

So I added fans to the accessories tab in the PC builder, so when I buy it, do they put the extra fans on?

[fossil cedar]

Ye

[mint venture]

ok

[grim wraith]

I just ordered another 360mm radiator for my build 54mm thick

[little osprey]

w

[tardy knoll]

Idk how they'll troubleshoot it with it completely dead

[tiny pelican]

can someone tell me a gaming pc under 500 USD?

[grim wraith]

Get a build with integrated graphics on the CPU and don’t get a graphics card

[mossy venture]

not really

only option is igpu, and that wont run games as well as i think youd want them to

750 is doable, albeit tight

[grim wraith]

Jayztwo cents just did a super cheap build for around 950

But you will be lucky to find anything with a graphics card for around $500 in the current market

[mossy venture]

allt he psus i normally use are overpriced now

pain

pato any b tiers i should look at?

[fossil cedar]

Well they're not in the US so doesn't matter but hp have a 1650 super pc for 540 if they did, upgrade down the line to another 8gb stick snd boom like 570

[fossil cedar]

For?

[mossy venture]

psus

650w

or 550

[fossil cedar]

For what like?

Budgetish build?

[mossy venture]

well theyre not in the us so i guess it doesnt matter

[fossil cedar]

Segotep gp probs

Think that's b tier

[paper timber]

hi

[wooden quartz]

Hey so are the wifi cards and Bluetooth on the same card?

[little osprey]

Most are

I’d look up the model number and just check if any sources online can confirm

[obsidian wigeon]

Anything with like Intel AX200 should have both bt and wifi

[wooden quartz]

Okay thanks

[turbid vector]

Is it possible to have too many ARGB devices plugged in? With everything in, some of the lights don't keep their color correctly.

With everything slotted, I get my Li Lian kit flickering odd white colors. When I unplug anything that isn't that, it changes to the correct color.

[tardy knoll]

So ABS customer support called me back... They told me they'd send me out a new PSU but suggested I do paperclip test first. Which I have no idea what that is

I mean I get the purpose of it but no clue how to do it. The guy explained it and I was like uhhhh, yea I'll probably have to YouTube that. Or that I'll just send the PC to my tech support service at work

[potent portal]

https://images.app.goo.gl/se72XrAk3vFK7hoe7
Switch off power supply from the back
Put paperclip as shown
Switch power supply on
Does the fan spin?

[tardy knoll]

Does the fan spin after I've done that?

Or as it sits now?

[potent portal]

Does the fan spin after you flip on the power supply with the paperclip jumper?
If yes it's not totally dead

[tardy knoll]

I haven't got that far yet

Im not even sure which plug that is. I'm like, noob noob

[potent portal]

That's the one next to the memory on the right side of the board, it's big you can't miss it

[tardy knoll]

Ok

A video said something about unplugging all peripherals after unplugging PSU from motherboard. Before test? What are peripherals? Like the monitors?

[potent portal]

Yes, they probably also mean hard drives, the GPU, and CPU cables
That's an optional step technically

[tardy knoll]

I mean, could something go wrong if I don't?

ABS didn't tell me to

So, send it? Lol

I'm low key shocked their response was to whip out a paperclip...well, actually they were ready to just send a PSU out but then asked if I'd tested ir

[potent portal]

In theory yes something could short, but I've never seen it happen and it's highly unlikely

[tardy knoll]

Someone last night was saying a PSU going bad could have ruined my motherboard and gpu

With my experience level handling PC parts probably best I touch as little as possible till I know more

[potent portal]

That could only possibly happen if the power supply was in the E or F tier, the "replace immediately, may explode" tiers

[tardy knoll]

Oof lol

Well whatever happened was bad enough to trip the breaker and knocked out the power for the whole room basically

[potent portal]

Sometimes a sudden surge can damage other parts if the protections are bad but again that's rare

[tardy knoll]

Trip a house breaker I mean. I thought I'd lost power to the house but was like looking into two diff rooms at once, one lit and one dark like what in the actual F is going on

[potent portal]

Hmm, what model is that? You can take a picture of the power supply label

[tardy knoll]

I was watching Halos new TV show, only one of two monitors on. No other programs or games going. Paused it and walked away to make dinner and came back to darkness. When I tried to power back on got this loud grinding sound but very brief.

Someone said electricity popping in the capacitors of PSU and that actually sounds like what it was

[tardy knoll]

Um one sec. The PSU is like hidden in case covers

[potent portal]

Based on that info the paperclip test is a moot point anyway, sounds pretty dead

[tardy knoll]

Worth atleast verifying I guess.

So pull this and do the 3 and 4 sockets from the appropriate side in and try to turn on.

If nothing happens it's dead

[potent portal]

Probably a tier C, not terrible at least

[potent portal]

Correct

[tardy knoll]

Jeez so can I push back on motherboard a bit to keep it from flexing or anything while trying to get plug free?

I used to be a mechanic and also build custom boats etc. Tech stuff is a totally new ball game

[potent portal]

Yeah you can hold the motherboard for support

[tardy knoll]

Got it

I really don't like whoever wired this thing

All the coords are pulled so freaking tight it's insane to me.. and the plug coming from over top the GPU instead of under is just dumb. I'm not even a builder and I know most would go under.

They bent the heck outta that GPU plug to go that route

[void raft]

They used the pigtail instead if the main!

[potent portal]

It's copper wire, doesn't hurt to bend it

[tardy knoll]

Id beg to differ, it's ok bent and left there. But the day someone unbends it the integrity of that wire just plummeted and may have a internal break one day and be chasing your tail looking for issue. Experienced that one time wiring up a car audio system. Older guy came out and went around grabbing wire and bunching it up, then all the sudden he squeezed a section and everything cut on. We cut the bad section out and was good to go

[tardy knoll]

Oh? I thought the other wire they tucked back was for a second GPU??

[void raft]

Wiring bent is fine. It's just front the looks of things, whoever built this system was slapping it together without a second thought to placement.

Going above or below is just preferences in the case used. What bothers me is that the pigtail was used instead of the main.

No. That is the main plug. The pigtail is for gpus that have more than one pcie power connection if your power supply is non modular.

[tardy knoll]

Ok so are you saying this plug up here is the main and the one in use is meant to go to a second GPU? As that makes sense I see how the plug they used comes off the other plug

[tardy knoll]

Sorry I'm confused

This is super attractive lol. I reckon didn't have much other options

[void raft]

Example of dual pcie power connections on the same card.

[tardy knoll]

And you're saying on mine they used the pigtail instead of the main? Right?

[void raft]

Correct

[tardy knoll]

So I need to swap that?

[void raft]

I always recommend not using the pigtail if it's not necessary

[tardy knoll]

I mean it makes sense to me looking how the wires run. The plug that's zip tied back and is the first one in line, then the one plugged in is the pigtail. Makes sense to me that's it's wrong just off that

[potent portal]

They shouldn't even have the pigtails anymore, with all the high power GPUs. A single 8 pin cable can handle 150W, and on a cheap unit it probably won't handle more than that. So it would be easy to overheat and melt the cable if you put 300W through by using both 8 pins.

[tardy knoll]

Ok lemme do this clip test. Gotta find a paperclip first lol

[void raft]

Exactly

[stoic island]

tbh doesn't really matter if you're only using one connector, but we'll probably see daisychained pcie connectors disappear with the next standard

[void raft]

Oh good gravy... paperclip... did they not give you the power supply accessory box or anything? Most modern PSUs come with a jumper bridge.

[stoic island]

I mean, looks like a TT smart bronze, not exactly a great unit anyways

[potent portal]

Yeah, the 12+4 pin that can do between 150W and 600W depending on power supply

[potent portal]

It's a gold

[void raft]

They're already doing away with most of them, but they offer them for lower end and budget systems due to the lower gpu power draw that are used with them.

[stoic island]

huh, the badge looked brown

[potent portal]

@stoic island

[stoic island]

Yea, tt smart gold

[tardy knoll]

Um, no I don't think so? ABS guy even said paperclip test. I got a few things with the PC what would a jumper look like?

[tardy knoll]

You talking about the PSU?

[void raft]

It literally looks like a reverse of the 24pin connector

[potent portal]

Paperclips are fine, you could even use a short piece of wire

[void raft]

You can. I just hate doing it.

[potent portal]

Cheap units don't include that

[stoic island]

Most likely you didn't get one, it doesn't really matter what you use, just something that can jump 2 pins

[tardy knoll]

Could it be in there right side up or did they have to put PSU upside down lol? Bugs me the label is upside down

[tardy knoll]

Undoes pants doesn't matter you say?

[stoic island]

Fan typically is at the 'top' and therefore in this position would be able to get fresh air

lmao

[potent portal]

Typically you'll want the fan facing down if there's a hole for air

[void raft]

Looking from the back, the label is always upside down. The front is right side up.

That way if your case has no bottom port and you do fan up, the label still faces up on the outside.

[tardy knoll]

Oh out the bottom of the case?

[void raft]

Fan is not typically at the top. It's at the bottom for fresh filtered air in most modern cases.

And that case has a bottom port

You can see the openings where the fan is facing

[tardy knoll]

Oh wow I wish I knew there was a fan underneath the case it's a bit dusty. I've been religiously making sure no dust accumulates anywhere and had no idea that was there. Good thing I haven't had it long

It has that soft mesh cloth over it and that stuff could clog easily.

[void raft]

Yup

That's a filter to wipe down every few weeks

[tardy knoll]

Yea I see it's removable, good to know

As much as I hate the fact I'm already having issues with this PC being so new, it is cool I'm being forced to tinker with it and learn

I wonder if abs would work with me on putting a better PSU in if that one's not that great. Like I could pay a small price difference between replacement cost and a better onr

Bose let me do that with a warranty replacement on some earbuds one time then ended up just upgrading me for free

[potent portal]

You can always ask

[tardy knoll]

Fo sho

[void raft]

Watch channels like Paul's Hardware, BPS Customs, Bitwit, JayzTwoCents, and Greg Salazar on YouTube. They have a ton of beginner maintenance tips, minor upgrade tutorials, beginner build episodes, and more to help you through it all.

[tardy knoll]

You attract more bees with sugar than salt lol

I think the fact I called and just left a polite message last night and didn't blow them up today and waited for a call back already set things off in my favor. The rep was super cool I'm happy the customer service is good. And speaks clear English mainly

[tardy knoll]

Vid I watched said the 3rd and 4th pins youre in the 4th and 5th?

And with the plug clip facing towards me

[void raft]

As a professional builder myself, back in the day, I inhaled those types of videos (the old ncix days) to get better at what I do.

[tardy knoll]

I watch Jay-Z stuff but it's mostly just slapping stuff together seems like. I'd like to have a true in depth understand of the parts I'm working with

In robeytech discord too

[void raft]

That jumper is one provided directly from the manufacturer, so it is correct.

[tardy knoll]

The photo is?

[stoic island]

You're just jumping the On pin with a ground pin, so you can do either 16+15 or 16+17

Either way does the same thing

[tardy knoll]

But all the other info I've seen said 3rd and 4th slots now you're saying it's 4th and 5th. Oof scaring me. Glad I didn't do anything yet

[void raft]

16 and 17 are most common

[tardy knoll]

Oh ok because more than one can serve as a ground

[void raft]

Either way you're touching the power on and ground together

[tardy knoll]

So 16 never changes

[stoic island]

ye

[tardy knoll]

Could even go like 16 and 3?

Or 16 and 24

[void raft]

Stick on the same side

[tardy knoll]

Oh I am, this is for learning purposes.

[void raft]

I used to just use a screwdriver tip

[tardy knoll]

As I said I like to truly understand things when I decide I want to learn. I won't be just putting PCs together.. like the equivalent of a car mechanic who just knows how to change parts but no real diagnostic work etc. They just throw parts at it

[void raft]

Right

If you just wanna know how to change your oil and tires on your own, learning how from the start is always best

[tardy knoll]

I wanna know it ALL. To where I even understand how the components are made start to finish. All of it. Like if I had the appropriate tools could make PC parts type knowledge. That's kinda where I am with cars. Definitely boats I could build you a custom boat from scratch

[void raft]

Then pull up build tutorials and watch a lot of GamersNexus videos 😆

[stoic island]

I mean, technically, yea, but that's annoying to do

[tardy knoll]

Anyhow for now, let's do thee test I've been putting off an hour now lol..

[stoic island]

You'll see that things get too deep :(

Building PCs is one thing, learning about manufacturing and how everything works, too much work

[tardy knoll]

Oh of course I just mean to an extent.

Someone who really knows what's going on basically. Can diagnose and repair etc. Even like repair soldering stuff etc like I've seen some doing

[stoic island]

This series is pretty fun on manufacturing though, even though it says 8 steps, there's 9 parts :P
https://news.samsung.com/global/eight-major-steps-to-semiconductor-fabrication-part-9-packaging-and-package-testing

[tardy knoll]

Ok so plug facing towards me. Put clip in and flip power switch. Then try to hit power button on PC. Or should it come on soon as there's power to the PC

[stoic island]

Don't do anything with PC

I would have the PSU on first

the point is to put paperclip in to tell it to turn on, independent of PC parts, and fans should spin up

smart shouldn't have any 0 fan speed modes

[tardy knoll]

Oh ok, so it should come on with I flip the PSU power switch

[stoic island]

I'd prob flip the PSU switch first then stick in the paperclip

[tardy knoll]

I know this sounds stupid.. but does the 0 on the switch means open circuit and the straight up and down dash like I means closed circuit and has power?

Or am I overthinking those markings lol. Doesn't just say on /off

[stoic island]

Possibly, but I don't really know what the markings are actually for

Just using it is good enough for me :p

[tardy knoll]

Ok so as soon as I stick clip in fans come on (if it's working not broke)

[stoic island]

Yes

[tardy knoll]

I'd assume these mean open circuit which is off for the O one , and closed circuit is the other meaning on

If not then I may be totally backwards lol.

Well per the video I watched I am right about which positions are on off so I'd wager that's open and closed circuit symbols.

Ok absolutely nothing happens

So that means bad psu I guess

[stoic island]

It is plugged in, right?

[tardy knoll]

Yea

[stoic island]

sad

[tardy knoll]

Plugged coord into back of PC and into wall

[tardy knoll]

I mean, that's better than it working and that meaning the MB is bad right?

[earnest olive]

oof, your ABS prebuilt having problems?

[stoic island]

Maybe

[tardy knoll]

Yes it died last night. It knocked the power out in just my room too whatever happened so it wasn't like from the house itself. If it was I'd have had surge protection. I think PSU shorted out and went other direction thru the surge protector and tripped a house breaker

[earnest olive]

jesus

definitely sounds like psu

[tardy knoll]

What do you mean? Am I missing something here? I thought if paperclip test did nothing then it just means PSU is bad, which ABS is ready to send a replacement when I call them bsck

[earnest olive]

ketchup and mustard cables are usually not a good sign

[stoic island]

It's a tt smart gold

[stoic island]

It's enough to tell them you tested it and it's not working

Ngl I'm still tempted to blame the ups

[earnest olive]

been hearing a lot of problems with ABS lately, wonder if it's because we recommend them here more or because they actually have higher failure rates

[stoic island]

First one I've heard

But I'm more inactive now

[stoic island]

We prob aren't making that much of an impact, maybe GN had more of an impact

[earnest olive]

i need to step it up and start shipping my prebuilts 😔

[stoic island]

Lol

[earnest olive]

i will save the prebuilt world

lmao

[tardy knoll]

So, you think it could also potentially be not working and have also fried other parts when it shorted/or whatever the heck it did?

[earnest olive]

possible, good psus are designed to save the rest of the pc when they die

but who knows if this psu had proper protections

[stoic island]

No way to really know

It's a tt smart gold, wouldn't put too much trust in the protections, but it shouldn't damage anything on its own

[tardy knoll]

@earnest olive when I tried to power it back on after resetting breaker etc it just made a loud grinding type noise, kinda like a electricity crackle maybe idk. And it just did nothing. I hit power button again, made the noise. And then absolutely nothing after that. The noise almost sounded like something jammed kinda

[earnest olive]

random failures can happen with any product

jesus that's scary

hope the 3060ti survived lol

[tardy knoll]

No noises or anything from there forward.

Yea I'm worried some bad things went down when it first tripped the breaker.

Jeez I didn't notice the mesh in here too getting dusty. This thing must pull a crap ton of air thru it lol. Is this easy to get to and clean like the bottom filter is?

Looks like there's a filter/mesh behind this panel

How often do y'all routinely clean your PCs?

[earnest olive]

used to be every 2 days

when i didn't have an air purifier in my room and my cat would hang out in it

was mostly just grabbing cat hairs off of the dust filters though, no compressed air

compressed air was like once a month

now i have an electric air duster and an air purifier, so i do dust filter cleaning like once a month, and "compressed air" for fun whenever i feel like it

[tardy knoll]

ABS is saying they'll replace the PSU.

Or if I wanted to get a better way they could refund me the cost of the PSU and I could buy a better one? I guess I'ma just go with the replacement for now being that I don't know if PC has any other issues. I'd had to buy a better PSU and PC still not work

[earnest olive]

how much are they offering as a refund?

[tardy knoll]

100$

Said it's a 99$ psu

[earnest olive]

jesus

yeah, take it

you can get a better psu for cheaper

[tardy knoll]

Really?

This is what is has.

[earnest olive]

is that a thermaltake smart gold or just a regular thermaltake smart?

[tardy knoll]

Gold I think?

[earnest olive]

https://www.newegg.com/bitfenix-formula-gold-series-bp-fm750ulag-7r-750w/p/N82E16817376012 either way, grab this one for $85, so much better

[earnest olive]

take a pic of the whole sticker

[tardy knoll]

It's 80 plus gold

[earnest olive]

oh

alright

still, the psu i linked is better and $85

and no

[tardy knoll]

He said only 89$

I'ma just do the replacement screw it.

I don't wanna make it more complicated if a new PSU doesn't fix the problem

As then I'll be out the difference I spent while having to get a whole new replacement PC thru warranty

I'll be stuck with that PSU since theyd refunded the one I got with prebuilt.

[earnest olive]

i'd still go for the better psu unless it voids your warranty

[tardy knoll]

I was literally on the phone with abs while talking to you

I panicked

It got too complicated sounding when I asked what happens if I take the refund on PSU, buy a better one and the problem isn't fixed and he said then they'll be looking at warranty replacement or repair, or possibly a refund if the build is out of stock which it is. And he said I'd be refunded everything but the PSU I was already refunded.

And it just got complicated sounding thinking about a replacement PC. If it came down to getting a replacement they gonna send me everything but the PSU if I take the refund on PSU now?

The guy didn't speak good English and could hardly understand him so I just went with replacement

Wish I'd known a refund for just that part was an option before hand then I could have thought about it more. He told me it was an option then came to chat with him on speaker phone and you were like do it

People in the robeytech discord saying I can get a way better PSU for 90$

[earnest olive]

well yeah i also told you the exact same thing

[tardy knoll]

Yea I just meant that as like they said same thing as you

So it just made me stress over it more lol

Said screw it, not worth the stress over 100$. I was fine with what I had up until this event

[jagged ember]

you really didn't have to make a decision then...

you could have just told them you'd call back

and make the decision tomorrow

[strong raft]

Idk, better to take the $100 for a good psu we would be happy with.

[potent portal]

What's done is done now anyway. No point continuing to stress over it.

[south cliff]

should I buy a 12600k even though I don't know how to overclock?

[high yew]

f preferably if you don’t plan on it

[mossy venture]

12600k is a great cpu even if you dont plan to oc it

its the lowest cpu in the lineup that has e cores

and isnt far behind the 12700

[stoic island]

And just remember, for some reason, not only does 12600k have OCing compared to 12600, the 12600 doesn't get the e cores, I don't know why, but it just doesn't, giving you more of a reason to get 12600k

[mossy venture]

12500 or 12600 shouldnt exist

[strong raft]

12700F is also close to $300, so I'd actually suggest that unless you're spending $250 or less on the others. 12400(F) would also be a great gaming choice.

[little osprey]

Intel segmentation: it just works

[strong raft]

More items to sell = more money, and especially more profit when the P-core only 12500/12600 models are priced quite a bit more than the 12400. I'd like to see a 8-Pcore only 12700(F), but we didn't get that one. oh well.

@terse tiger specs? which speakers are those? NICE setup. I dig that mouse pad that looks sort of like Marble or something.

[obsidian wigeon]

well it'd be stupid for anything higher than 12600k to not have e cores

[strong raft]

Not exactly. Really small benefit in (most) games. Although, Intel decided to be done w/ 8core stuff, so far.

[cunning spade]

can anybody build me a pc build im going with AMD and my buget is 1,200

[little osprey]

why amd

[small prairie]

Are 10th gen X-series still worth it if you have an LGA2066 socket gaming mobo that you never got full use out of due to the original processor you got for it crapping out?

[mossy venture]

12th gen is better price/perf than 5000 series

[cunning spade]

ok

then intel this is my first build

[little osprey]

afaik no

[cunning spade]

can someone just help me please

[little osprey]

Yeah intel just currently has better value for performance

sure

I’m making a list rn

[cunning spade]

ok thansk

thanks

[little osprey]

U gonna build it yourself? or have a service build it for you like newegg

Also nice i’m also c1 d1 in rocket league

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YpG3Zw

This is what I'd do

3060ti/3070 works too if you can find one for a decent price

[small prairie]

Thats too bad. Was an expensive motherboard. A 10th gen x series would be better than what I currently have, but if it were more worth it to get a current motherboard and processor, I dont wanna drop the money for it.

[little osprey]

Yeah that’s pretty much what i would pick as well + just fits in the budget

3060ti kinda rare in my eyes i haven’t seen any in stock for a good price (under $600)

[mossy venture]

I've seen the ventus 2x in stock fairly often for 570

But terrible model

I just mean from evga or best buy mostly

[little osprey]

Why X series tho? instead of like 10900k

[small prairie]

Because the ACK m7 can only socket the x series i believe?

[cunning spade]

@mossy venture is that the one i should go for?

or @small prairie

[small prairie]

Sorry, my conversation is a different t topic from yours, didn't mean to confuse it

[little osprey]

You said lga2066 tho

[little osprey]

Yes,

[small prairie]

Oh are there non X series that fit the 2066 sicket?

[little osprey]

Wait, maybe im remembering wrong. let me look up some compatible CPUs

I honestly think selling the board would be more worth it then dropping $500+ on a CPU

10900X is $560

[cunning spade]

are you taking to me?

[small prairie]

Exactly why I was asking here about it lol.

Er, not the selling the board part, the cost part

[little osprey]

No

You doin gaming, or like CPU intensive work stuff

[small prairie]

Primarily gaming

[cunning spade]

@little osprey can you build me one. intel, buget 1,200

[little osprey]

Sure

[little osprey]

the X series isn’t worth it for gaming, because it’s not made for gaming. let’s put it that way

the x and xe intel series cpus are meant for like workstations i’m pretty sure

notch i’m working on a list

[cunning spade]

@little osprey im going to be gaming but ik your not taking to me rn, im just letting you know

[little osprey]

Ye don’t lose bro

[small prairie]

Then why the hell did they make a gaming mobo that only uses that cpu?

[earnest olive]

oops wrong channel

[earnest olive]

it's a marketing term

[little osprey]

^

for “gamers”

[earnest olive]

X series cpus are capable of gaming but they are far from the best option

[little osprey]

I know you probably don’t want to do/hear this but i would sell the motherboard and buy something like the 12600k and a z690 instead

[earnest olive]

an i5-12400 will beat an i9-10980XE in practically every game

[little osprey]

It’s just better optimized for what you’re doing

the x/xe series just aren’t meant to be used for games

[small prairie]

No, I think you're probably right

Currently I'm running an i9 9900k iirc

[earnest olive]

9900K will beat any X series processor in gaming

[little osprey]

9900k is pretty nice cpu

^

That too

[earnest olive]

just keep the 9900K and try to sell your board

getting more specific about why the X series isn't as good in gaming

the mainstream CPUs like your 9900K connect the cores with an interconnect known as a ringbus

[cunning spade]

@little osprey just send the build in this chat when you make it

[earnest olive]

this ringbus solution is fantastic for low latency

but it doesn't scale well when stretched beyond 10 cores

the X series processors use a different type of core interconnect called a mesh

it allows for higher core counts than ringbus does, which is pretty much the point of X series processors, but you take a latency hit as a tradeoff

gaming cares far more about latency than it does about core count (above 6-8 anyways)

[little osprey]

Do you care about having RGB stuff

[cunning spade]

no

[small prairie]

Thanks, this is great info for me. I'm decent at PC building, but my technical knowledge is lacking

[earnest olive]

when i have an external keyboard hooked up to my laptop so the built in keyboard is literally just an rgb strip

[cunning spade]

@earnest olive lmao

[earnest olive]

anyways, try to sell the X series board, a lot of cheap X series engineering samples are showing up on ebay that some people are interested in for budget HEDT

r/hardwareswap and facebook marketplace are good options to sell without paying high ebay fees

[little osprey]

are you on 1080p, 1440p, or 4k?

[small prairie]

Sounds like I'm good to go with my current board and cpu for awhile though. Still need to upgrade my 1080ti

[cunning spade]

monitor?

[little osprey]

Yeah

[still roost]

itsnotchxd#6322 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[cunning spade]

ummm idk

[little osprey]

Honestly you could probably buy another pc, then sell the one you have now

[little osprey]

Do you have a model number? or in rocket league go to video settings and send a screenshot of the available in game resolutions

Yes

you mean a 12900k i assume

[small prairie]

When I do a new build I like keeping my current as a backup, and pass down replaced parts to it

[little osprey]

Ah

Aight bro

[cunning spade]

@little osprey does it matter

[small prairie]

I will sell the mobile though, since it turns out I don't need that one. Might be getting time to do a new ground up build, though. Even if just for funsies

[cunning spade]

1440p

@little osprey

[little osprey]

Yes it’s a deciding factor for what specific parts to get

[cunning spade]

oh ok

[little osprey]

Do you have any parts you’re gonna move to the new build?

[cunning spade]

nope just a hole new build

[little osprey]

Alright

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TJyp2m

If you want to go lower price go with Quaccas

[cunning spade]

ok thanks

[little osprey]

And if you want a cheap CPU cooler add the gammaxx 400

it’s like $19

[high yew]

if one was to get a 12700k to overclock, as well as get an overclocked gpu from factory, what psu should i grab? have a 750w plat in the pcpp list rn but thought i’d ask if it needs to be more/less

[frank stirrup]

platinum rating says nothing about quality of the unit and it depends on what gpu u wanna get

[potent portal]

That depends on what GPU model. Something like a RTX 3070 ti would be very happy on 750W, or even a lower end 3080. If you get a higher power limit 3080 or higher you'll probably want a 850W.

[high yew]

3070 Asus KO V2 Oc model. but figure i’m just gonna go with a 12400f as i don’t really wanna oc - was just a thought i had in my head and thought i’d ask about it

[high yew]

^

[frank stirrup]

yeah 750W enough

what psu u got?

just share the pcpp list if u can

[potent portal]

3070 is quite happy with 750W, and you can still get the 12600k if you want the e-cores and plan to use windows 11.

Even if you end up using it on a locked mobo like a B660 or H670 those extra cores are kinda nice.

[high yew]

yeah i will but i really don’t wanna hear any judgement on this thing - all i’ve heard today is people say that i should go cheap on everything else but the gpu and blow 1300+ on that. i’m happy with the pricing that i got on here and i really don’t wanna hear anything unless it’s constructive criticism please lol

[high yew]

i’ll link pcpp list tell me what u think

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/wvillain/saved/#view=9pbpK8

[potent portal]

We're typically pretty good about giving helpful suggestions and reasons for each

Unlike other communities that shall remain unnamed

[high yew]

cough cough reddit buildapc cough

[still roost]

j.acob#7187 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[high yew]

oh nice

ight nvm then

[potent portal]

I can see your comment in the logs, yeah reddit gets toxic fast

[high yew]

okay you seen it good. was gonna retype it out with no bad bad words

lol

[high yew]

just don’t understand it man. constructive criticism goes so far, but no one cares. it’s always a “nope, go with x part instead of y part” with no explanation

brutal

[potent portal]

A few things to note then,
A 360mm AIO is total overkill for that CPU. Also that particular one is rather loud, I know from experience, and the fans will die after 2 years if they're top mounted.
Is there a particular feature you want in the Aorus Master board? That's also overkill if you're not overclocking.
You can probably get a better drive for cheaper than the 970 evo plus, but it's a decent drive anyway.

[high yew]

another aio i was mentioned was a 240 or 280 mm arctic freezer i believe - opinions on that?
and no i went i went with the aorus master as that’s what was most recommended on any website, yt video etc. that i went to.
as for the ssd, inwas thinking of a sns50 wd 1tb, or something among those lines, about $30-$40 cheaper just would prefer samsung drive because it’s samsung ya feel.

it’ll be my first time building a pc, but i will have someone shadowing me whilst i build to teach me. i just wanna order a good everything to not run into problems later down the road and regret buying said component

[potent portal]

Gotcha. Yeah the Aorus Master is a good board but the extra features they're charging for aren't really useful to the average user. I'll make a suggested list, and you can take notes from that.

How do you feel about RGB? None, some, or as much as possible?

[potent portal]

Here's my suggestion. No need for the extra fan on the back but you can add one if you like for looks. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/csscTn

Same budget, but 12600k and other parts adjusted

[high yew]

another fan at the back is for the one extra fan i need for the case. comes w 3 installed at front, and then the aio is the top. 1 at the back i need so i grabbed the same case fan and put it at the back for the back fan

[potent portal]

Yeah, for this setup that back fan is optional

[frank stirrup]

btw falcie i wanted to get ur opinion on something

[potent portal]

Sure

[frank stirrup]

pato suggested that i rewrite or move the batch scripts to powershell since powershell is better and newer but i dunno since ill have to learn powershell

do u think its worth it or nah

[high yew]

sorry for late reply, i’m moving my desk around. but preferably some rgb for aesthetics. black case, ram, mobo, but fans and cooler a-rgb or rgb. give or take the case comes w controller preferably a-rgb but

reply when u can. answer the other dude first

[frank stirrup]

Case would be p400a digital

[potent portal]

Powershell is really powerful and good to know but I don't think it's necessary per se for the scripts

[frank stirrup]

for ram, the 4000c18 kit of ballistix is nice

[potent portal]

It's not a good price in cad right now

[frank stirrup]

oh cad

my bad

[high yew]

yes sir. all good lol

[frank stirrup]

makes sense, ill start learning ps in my free time then, wont stress on it all that much rn

[potent portal]

Swapped the cooler for the ARGB version https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qVZxcb

[frank stirrup]

thanks btw

[high yew]

i like the build @potent portal

questions:
why a 12600k rather than a 12400f.
what’s up with the motherboard? all of the necessary plugins for anything i may need?
mp33 ssd i have never heard of, are they good?
phantek rings a bell for psu but i’m not sure about that one either.

all would be the best bang for my buck iuo?

[frank stirrup]

12600k has e cores

[potent portal]

12600K is just better in every way tbh, even if you don't overclock

[high yew]

i’m newish to that, what that mean?

[frank stirrup]

the arctic freezer is the best bang for the buck aio

[high yew]

lmfao, fair enough. sounds good. i have the option to oc if i feel like it as well

[frank stirrup]

basically in addition to 6 performance cores, its also got 4 low power cores

[potent portal]

More power efficient cores to be used on low power tasks like browsing the web or discord, so your main cores can focus on gaming, streaming, etc

[frank stirrup]

helps in multitasking

[high yew]

ahhh i get it. okay cool

[frank stirrup]

and keeps power consumption lower

[high yew]

sweet

awesome!

thank you

[potent portal]

MP33 is one of our most highly recommended drives also

[frank stirrup]

the motherboard should have all u need if u dont need wifi

[high yew]

no i use ethernet so we’re good there

[frank stirrup]

cool beans

either way a pcie card will solve

[potent portal]

The AMP model from Phanteks is a top tier unit

[high yew]

okay perfect sounds good

[potent portal]

I've got sources for my claims too if you want to look, can be fun to see

[high yew]

not to sound stupid, what’s a pcie card?

it rings a bell, idk what it is fully though

[frank stirrup]

a card that goes into the pcie slot on the board

[potent portal]

Plugs into the same slots the GPU does

[frank stirrup]

those be pcie slots

those slots are called pcie slots

[high yew]

and those are used for what?

i searched it up says network stuff

ah it’s for wifi

no?

[potent portal]

Basically PCIe is the connection between the CPU and whatever you're plugging into it. It's a universal connection, so just about anything can use it.

[high yew]

okay sweet, by the sounds of it i wont need to use them too much

is the td500 compatible w a 280 mm aio?

i didn’t check that, i’m assuming so

i shall check

[potent portal]

It's on the larger side so more than likely

[high yew]

yes it does

[potent portal]

And according to pcpp it is

[high yew]

FAN SUPPORT - TOP
3X 120MM, 2X 140MM

i mine as well add the last rear single fan on there too to complete the build. a lil more air flow ain’t gonna hurt nobody

@potent portal micro atx board?

[potent portal]

It's just shorter. There's no missing features or anything.

If you'd prefer the full atx version it's https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/32NxFT/asus-prime-b660-plus-d4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-prime-b660-plus-d4

[desert gulch]

thats what he said?

[high yew]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/wvillain/saved/9pbpK8

how’s this? all i did was edit the mobo. a buddy said it has higher VRM’s or something like that lol @potent portal

everything else is as you helped me w

[potent portal]

Yeah that one does have better VRM but shouldn't matter too much below a 12700k or 12900k.
It's up to you. Both are good.

[high yew]

worth it to go with a atx board or mini atx? wont really matter all that much?

[potent portal]

In practice there's not much difference unless you plan to fill it up with drives and PCIe devices

[high yew]

i’ve heard mini atx’s are a lil worsed then the actual regular atx sized board itself

[potent portal]

That's a common misconception

In fact a lot of Mini ITX boards are the best at things like memory overclocking

[high yew]

alright sounds good i’ll go w the msi pro mini as it’s got better whatever tf i said it was

there also is a WD Sn550 for like $10 cheaper. is that worth it or no?

[potent portal]

Sure, that's the same tier drive

[high yew]

sweet

[potent portal]

It must not be on pcpp for that price though, it shows $120 cad

Even the newer/better SN570 is cheaper

[high yew]

yeah i’m special, $10 less for a 500gb version

lmfaoo

[potent portal]

🙃

[high yew]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/wvillain/saved/#view=9pbpK8

that should be eveything we talked about, actually saved me a bit of money too. thank you! let me know if it’s wrong as it’s hard tabbing out and in on a phone lol

@potent portal

[potent portal]

Not super crucial but you could put in the faster memory I picked out. It won't make for a huge difference real world probably, though.

Maybe like 3-5 fps in highly detailed games that thrash the memory

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/dqbTwP/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl18-memory-f4-4000c18d-32gvk

[high yew]

cl18 vs 16, whats that all abt there

if you don’t mind me asking

bc that’s 4000mhz as well no?

[potent portal]

That's the CAS latency. It's complicated, but the idea is to get a lower proportion of speed to CAS. The one you have is 10ns, the one I picked is 9ns.

[high yew]

will i notice a huge difference in performance?

or anything of that matter

what you said sounds like it evened out to me between the two sticks we both picked

[potent portal]

Probably nothing noticeable, maybe better 1% low frame times (less stuttering)

[high yew]

okay. so you’d say it’s worth it or keep the ones i got?

[potent portal]

Personally I'd go for the faster sticks, but the ones you have are fine

[high yew]

i’m pre sure the sticks do add about $50 all in all. if it’s not gonna be entirely crucial, then i’ll probably just keep the ones i have and put that $50 towards a gpu

supposedly asus gou’s are supposed to drop 25% within the next couple weeks, just waiting to get the right price at the right time

[potent portal]

I thought it was $18 more

But yeah it's not a critical thing for an average gamer

[high yew]

shiz you right it was $18 more, you had the 2tb hdd on there as well

[potent portal]

You could do this one and save quite a bit https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kXbkcf/gskill-memory-f43200c16d32gvk

[high yew]

speaking of which, is that movo gonna have all of the necessities that i’m gonna need? idrk what the terms are but i’m hoping you can pick up what i’m putting down lol. the msi pro one

[potent portal]

Yep, it has all the connections you need

Two ARGB headers, one top right and one bottom left

M.2 slot for the SSD

[high yew]

swapped it

[high yew]

alright sounds good

one more question if that’s okay, i’ll leave you alone after that lol

[potent portal]

Sure

[high yew]

so let’s say i order the td500 and get that aio, which will happen, the controller it comes with is strictly for the fans around the pc (front and back) what about the aio fans? those are it’s own thing or do those go into the controller as well?

speaking of which, i guess another question LOL, is that 280 aio good enough for said 12600k?

[potent portal]

Let me double check the manual but it'll come with either its own hub or a splitter

And yes it's plenty for a stock 12600k

[potent portal]

It comes with its own controller

So you can either just use any extra slots in the argb controller or use the one for the cooler separate, you have 2 argb headers after all so either way it'll work

[high yew]

sounds good man, i’ll get to ordering sooner than later. probably text you soon lol, thank you so much

[potent portal]

Happy to help. Killed some time waiting for my game server to end emergency maintenance lol

[subtle anchor]

is the scythe fuma 2 too "forceful" for my CPU?

I read something somewhere that it could damage your CPU because of it's mounting pressure

[potent portal]

No? That's not something I've heard of

[subtle anchor]

Alright so, I'm deciding to install it and use my 2 spare arctic fans

So

My next question is, I have 2 case fans in the back, 2 in the front

If I orient the fans for the fuma to face toward the graphics card and suck up, I will have a total of 4 in the back, and 2 in the front, plus my graphics card fans

Is there a different way I should orient this? Isnt it bad to have an uneven balance of fans in a certain way because of some sort of draft thing?

[potent portal]

The fans on the cooler don't count towards the pressure balance

[subtle anchor]

Oh

that's good to know. So this orientation should work fine? Assuming I have clearence

[potent portal]

Yep that's fine

[strong raft]

Can you not rotate the Fuma 90 degree? That gpu isn't super hot, but right now cooler is sort of sucking heat from gpu 😅

[subtle anchor]

The fuma couldn't fit

I wasted my two hours trying to make it work

And I'm so tired

Rip $60 on a cooler that I can't figure out

[fossil cedar]

did you try rotate it 90 degreees?

[subtle anchor]

I'll try again later

So fan direction doesn't matter?

[fossil cedar]

ehh actually having it the other way would be better

[frank tangle]

guys can u help me

i want to pick a case

and i need some help

[frank stirrup]

What u looking for

@frank tangle

[frank tangle]

i have some case models but idk which one to get

these are my options

[unique haven]

Nzxt cases are nice

i know a lot of people have them and theyre pretty satisfied

[unique haven]

theres ram that has same specs except only cost 100

[vague oracle]

@frank tangle I’d get the P400A, NZXT cases are hot garbage , the Asus Tuf and Lancool 205 are decent but imo P400A is best out of those

[frank tangle]

i think the store also has the corsair 4000d airflow

@vague oracle

which one do u recommend, the p400a or the 4000d

[vague oracle]

Prices on both?

[jagged ember]

both are good cases

only real deciding factor is price

[frank tangle]

same price

[vague oracle]

What price?

[frank tangle]

115 euros

[fossil cedar]

out of those i would go lancool 205 or p400a depending on the prices as well

[fossil cedar]

what country that seems a bit pricey?

[frank tangle]

albania

[fossil cedar]

ahh

[frank tangle]

i got all my other pc parts for cheap cuz i bought them in different countries and asked relatives to bring them to me, but i cant do the same for the case

so im stuck paying extra

[fossil cedar]

yeah makes sense

theyre not too much over what i would expect

[frank tangle]

depends on the models and stores

this store had reasonable prices

other stores ask for 140+ euros

[little osprey]

they're cool looking and nice cases until you realize that your GPU is not getting enough airflow

[jagged ember]

or if you just like torturing your pc components

[little osprey]

Torture chamber

[earnest olive]

120C CPU: am i a joke to you?

[little osprey]

yes

the 120C 3600

on the msi tomahawk

[potent portal]

Not in Canada. And yes there's some that are cheaper in Canada but they're trash worthy.

[fossil cedar]

I mean these would purpose exactly the same for 22$ less

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/DMMTwP/pny-xlr8-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-md32gk2d4320016xr

[potent portal]

Sure, if you don't mind waiting until April 20th to get them lol

[fossil cedar]

Oh didn't see that lol

[wet plover]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cf4Dcb

How’s my list looking?

[little osprey]

Ill take a look

Looks great you could probably go a little cheaper on the power supply and im unsure about the monitor

im unfamiliar with amd models for gpus but theres a couple that are cheaper than the one you added

[ebon nest]

hello

[little osprey]

and for 12th gen intel you might need to pick up the $9 mounting adapter bracket

[little osprey]

hi

[ebon nest]

can someone help me with sub 600 usd build

[little osprey]

Might be tough

what do you plan on doing on it

[ebon nest]

playing some esports titles

mc, valorant

and streaming as well, i looked at the 5600g it seems promising

[little osprey]

Yeah 5600g would be fine for your purposes

[ebon nest]

alright

[little osprey]

do you want wifi

or is ethernet fine

[ebon nest]

wifi

[little osprey]

@fossil cedar is the asrock b550 phantom gaming 4 /ac any good

[earnest olive]

it's a crappy board, but it will drive a 5600g fine

[little osprey]

thx

[ebon nest]

GIGABYTE B550M DS3H (AM4 AMD/B550/Micro ATX/Dual M.2/SATA 6Gb/s/USB 3.2 Gen 1/PCIe 4.0/HMDI/DVI/DDR4/Motherboard) - this is the mobo i saw

[little osprey]

I wouldnt get ds3h its pretty meh

[earnest olive]

unless it's unreasonably cheap

ds3h is fine for a 5600g

no built in wifi though, so it has to be cheap enough to still be worth it with the added cost of a wifi antenna

[ebon nest]

its 100 usd

[little osprey]

Nah

[ebon nest]

i live in the uae so..

[little osprey]

Oh.

[ebon nest]

prices r weird here

[little osprey]

This is why you dont use usd so i know what region you're in

because idk if these parts are available in uae

or the same price

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xjzy4s

[ebon nest]

srry

[earnest olive]

use ae.pcpartpicker.com

[little osprey]

Its fine its really just beneficial to you

[little osprey]

ok thanks

[ebon nest]

the asrock board is for 511 aed

[earnest olive]

in the uae, msi b550m pro-vdh wifi is available for cheaper and it's a far superior board

[little osprey]

512 aed i think ^

[fossil cedar]

Id do this instead
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7GQ7Xy

[little osprey]

shipping bumps it up tho

[earnest olive]

including shipping

[fossil cedar]

I'd rather get that b450 aorus for like 100$

[ebon nest]

i want to keep it below 2100 aed

[earnest olive]

lmao the mx330-g has a higher shipping cost than base cost

[little osprey]

yeah

weird

[ebon nest]

o yea the b450 mortar i think was for about the same

[little osprey]

probably because its shipping from here

[earnest olive]

you are probably going to need buy parts locally instead of online

[little osprey]

online makes your prices almost 1.5x because of shipping

idk how the local market is in uae

[earnest olive]

lmao there are literally 2 psus available on newegg uae

[little osprey]

Might wanna do local for that then

[ebon nest]

its okay

I can bargain in pc markets here

[earnest olive]

well part recommendations are typically based on price

so any pcpp list we make is going to be pretty useless

[ebon nest]

i have a q, instead of a 5600g shud i go for a gt 1030 or 1050ti

[earnest olive]

literally any am4 board will drive a 5600g perfectly fine as long as it has a bios update for it

[little osprey]

5600g should be fine i would save your money for a dedicated gpu

[ebon nest]

along w an i3 10100f

[earnest olive]

depends on the price of the 1050ti

or if the 1030 is practically free

[little osprey]

again i have no idea how the market is so its kinda hard to make a decision

[ebon nest]

here 1050ti's r going around for 800 aed

[earnest olive]

yikes

nope

[little osprey]

Nah wouldnt get that

[wet plover]

I don’t like the look of cpu cooler. I also can’t get that Psu since it isn’t in stock at my Best Buy.

Ram also doesn’t look nice..I’m sorry if I sound picky

[ebon nest]

and gt 1030's for 600 aed

[earnest olive]

it's perfectly fine to have aesthetic preferences

however, limiting yourself only to best buy is going to be a bad time

do you have a best buy employee discount?

i was helping my friends do a pc build where they wanted as many parts from best buy as possible due to employee discount

[little osprey]

if you have more money you can get the se-224-xt from ID-COOLING as the cpu cooler but you'll have to get the $9 mounting bracket for 12th gen. for the ram you can probably go with https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mLCFf7/adata-xpg-gammix-d20-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-ax4u320038g16a-dcbk20 if you dont want the look of the grey ram

[earnest olive]

still had to buy a couple parts online because i could not in good faith recommend something from the local best buy selection

they sure did have a lot of nzxt h510s and hyper 212s though

[wet plover]

No sadly I do have a micro center tho

[earnest olive]

consider buying some parts online for a more diverse part selection if you aren't tied to one retailer for a good reason

best buy and microcenter don't have the greatest selections for some things

i went to CA microcenter, their selection of coolers, ram, cases, ssds, etc. were pretty meh

[little osprey]

Prices aren’t always great either

best buy here sucks

[earnest olive]

i view microcenter purely as that place with good cpu deals

[little osprey]

there’s only 10100f in stock and nzxt junk

[ebon nest]

okay so i have a friend, and he said the rates for pc's w ryzen 5 3600 nd 3050 and 16 gb ram r going for 3,500

should i shell out the 1,500 aed and go for it, i wont be able to upgrade for next 5 yrs tho (welp)

[earnest olive]

by US standards that's disgustingly overpriced

not sure about UAE

[fossil cedar]

Micro center is only good for cpu mobo combos and sometimes gpus

[little osprey]

I mean if you’re only doing esports 3050 should be sufficient

[earnest olive]

yeah

[little osprey]

Idk how the pricing is tho

[earnest olive]

the price is not attractive though lol

[ebon nest]

here its the lowest its ever been

[earnest olive]

actually, does that include taxes/fees?

[little osprey]

you’re the second person from uae ive seen here 😂

[earnest olive]

or do you have to pay extra taxes/fees on top

3500 aed = 950 usd

if that's the final price it could be worse

[ebon nest]

they were around 3000 aed like a month ago

[ebon nest]

no no final incl vat.

[little osprey]

If the price fluctuates maybe you could wait? unless it’s just going up

[earnest olive]

what does the rest of the system look like

cooler/case/ram speed/ssd/psu

3050 will definitely crush esports for the next 5 years

[ebon nest]

crucial p2 500gb

[earnest olive]

3600 isn't the ideal esports cpu but it's not bad either

EWWW P2

[ebon nest]

cougar mx330

[little osprey]

P2 is mid

[ebon nest]

TEAMGROUP T-Force Dark Z 16GB Kit (2x8GB) DDR4 Dram 3600MHz

[little osprey]

Not bad

[ebon nest]

cheapest m.2 i could find in 500 gb

[little osprey]

Is mp33 cheap?

in uae

[earnest olive]

P2 is ewaste tier lol

P2 is significantly worse than P1

[little osprey]

It’s probably still better than my ssd

[ebon nest]

psu- MSI MAG A650BN 650W 80+ Bronze Power Supply

[earnest olive]

lmao

[little osprey]

Usb 2.0 sheesh

[earnest olive]

slower than most hard drives

🙂

[ebon nest]

ASHHAHAHAHA

okay screw the p2

[earnest olive]

P2 belongs in the trash

[little osprey]

my home

[earnest olive]

when one of the only pros listed is "black PCB"

lmao

[ebon nest]

wb everything else tho

[little osprey]

theyre fine

[earnest olive]

the rest isn't bad

[little osprey]

ive never heard of the msi power supply tho maybe thats just because im stupid

[earnest olive]

btw

that 40 MB/s write speed

[ebon nest]

its bronze rated so um

[earnest olive]

my 10 year old hard drive had a 5 times higher write speed than the crucial P2

LOL

that hard drive could do 200 MB/s

[little osprey]

bronze is efficiency, not a rating of how good the psu is overall

it just means its not as efficient when drawing power from the wall and into your computer ( i think)

[earnest olive]

close

[ebon nest]

oh okay

[little osprey]

something along that line

[earnest olive]

the conversion from mains voltage to your pc's voltage rails is less efficient

the efficiency loss happens inside the psu itself

[ebon nest]

so is it fine if i cheap out on the psu

like no 80+ rating or wtvr

[little osprey]

Its not really cheaping out if its bronze

[earnest olive]

the psu you listed is C tier

will be fine with a 3600 + 3050

not a very high demand

[little osprey]

i mean,, it is an igpu system

[earnest olive]

but do not go lower

[ebon nest]

eh good enough

[earnest olive]

3050

?

[little osprey]

Oh wait

yeah ooops

i forgot we moved away from the 5600g

[ebon nest]

im just considering the 3050 btww

[earnest olive]

anyways, i strongly recommend not going lower than C tier if you want the pc to survive 5 years lol

[little osprey]

ok anyways yeah the psu should be fine for your needs but if you're getting a better gpu ever you should think about swapping that psu out for a better one

[ebon nest]

no still 5600g 😳

[little osprey]

Oh

[ebon nest]

just getting a good psu for future upgrades (dgpu)

i think i might be able to get a gpu by the end of this year

[little osprey]

Aight so so far your idea is
cpu: 5600g
cooler: stock
motherboard: undecided
ram: TEAMGROUP T-Force Dark Z 16GB Kit (2x8GB) DDR4 Dram 3600MHz
storage: not the p2
gpu: igpu
case: cougar mx330
psu: MSI MAG A650BN 650W 80+ Bronze Power Supply

[ebon nest]

here's the build

[little osprey]

take out the p2

[ebon nest]

ignore the p2

[little osprey]

ye

[ebon nest]

nd wht do i replace it with

[earnest olive]

keep in mind that mobo does not have wifi built in

[earnest olive]

i mean, i don't go below C tier even for igpu systems

[little osprey]

hmmm

[ebon nest]

wifi is a must for me

[earnest olive]

this cannot really be called a "good" psu

just passable

yeah you're going to need to buy a wifi adapter if you use that board

[ebon nest]

oh okay

[little osprey]

im looking for cheaper options if thats too expensive

[ebon nest]

ye its good enough

but including the wwifi adapter it starts adding up

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-MP33-512GB-Gen3x4-TM8FP6512G0C101/dp/B07XJ2P1LK/

173 aed but its a sale

wait

[ebon nest]

not amazon.com

[little osprey]

yeah i just realized

[ebon nest]

we have to pay import duties and shipping

[little osprey]

does that seem right

[ebon nest]

yea

[little osprey]

i set the region to uae and the currency to uad

[ebon nest]

do you recommend just getting a sata drive?

a 2.5 inch drive

[little osprey]

Mmm

not really

[potent portal]

Sata is probably fine but only if it's significantly cheaper than nvme

[little osprey]

For games and stuff its fine but you really want your OS (windows) to be on m.2 nvme ssd because its just faster

[ebon nest]

ok so if i get a 256 gig m.2 drive for boot

and then get like an external hard drive for my games and files will it be fine

like a usb drive

[potent portal]

Probably not external but internal 3.5" hdd is fine for most games

[little osprey]

that should be fine

yeah i agree with going internal

[ebon nest]

alright

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Blue-Hard-Drive/dp/B08VH8R94B/

177 aed

wait

[potent portal]

Bear in mind that 256gb is usually really closely priced to 512gb these days, but if you can get it for around half it's fine

[little osprey]

215aed for a 2tb hard drive

idk if thats worth buying

[ebon nest]

134 bucks for a 1tb sata drive (more than enough for me)

[little osprey]

I mean it should be fine... price is not exactly ideal but it'll do the job

so a 256gb mp33 and a 1tb barracuda

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-MP33-256GB-Gen3x4-TM8FP6256G0C101/dp/B07XHMB5GP/?th=1 this is 150aed after shipping/import/taxes and whatever extra fees

[ebon nest]

alr

gtg

tysm for ur help

[little osprey]

Ya np

[little osprey]

Should I take out the aio so I can keep un plugging everything from the motherboard because it’s in the way

Move the pipes to the top

Or put it on last that’s actually a better idea

I’m taking everything out

then just take it out

if youre taking everything out anyways

It’s connected in the back

Do I cut the cable ties

To get it loose

what cable ties

it’s probably easier to cut them if you can’t move the cables around

I am but they made them so tight

I can’t get scissors in

use something like pliers to cut them maybe

Or just carefully keep snipping at the cable tie with scissors

It all connects to this bay

Bar*

is it daisy chained ?

assuming your power supply and system are turned off and unplugged your fine to unplug whatever cables

It’s the rgb connected

Hub*

It’s not first time building a pc or at least swapping the case

Alright

I got it out

Nice

These motherboard cables won’t come out and I don’t wanna pull them too hard

This last one won’t come out

pull from the plastic vase

*base

don’t pull from the cable

if you need to, move the pc so it’s on its side on a table

so you can reach it easier

[tropic laurel]

I had a question for anyone who can help, Planning my first build, I have the mother board I want and such, https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16813157898?Item=N82E16813157898 , there is a M.2 (KEY E) For WiFi , What chip am I supposed to use for this? Im new but this is something thats really new to me

https://www.amazon.ca/Sintech-M-Key-Adapter-Compatible-Intel/dp/B07WBXP632/ref=sr_1_9?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6J-SBhCrARIsAH0yMZg3kXo0rg_eaytJcn0AsQmoa0T8MiC5GcFYEyQQoz912rwOH7XUfywaAgTBEALw_wcB&hvadid=588821955286&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9000787&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=11372021283883342433&hvtargid=kwd-716193150167&hydadcr=24951_13554014&keywords=m2+e+key+wifi&qid=1648939776&sr=8-9 I was seeing this Chip but I have just no physical idea

[little osprey]

bottom one is E key

and labeled "wifi"

what you're linking for the e-key thing is actually an adapter for m.2 2280 to the e key layout

which isn't what you're looking for

[fossil cedar]

I would not buy that board very poor

Also z390 is 9th gen intel - should not be buying in 2022

[subtle anchor]

so today I said screw the stock cooler and gave it another shot at installing my scythe fuma 2
and I can happily say I finally got it mounted. That thing was a pain in the butt