building-and-recc-chat

[brittle copper]

Chill

[fossil cedar]

lo i am

[brittle copper]

Go with B660

Or B550

[unique haven]

Is it compatible?

[mossy venture]

what cpu

[brittle copper]

Compatible with what?

[fossil cedar]

b550 is amd

[brittle copper]

I know, I’m just looking at his budget

[unique haven]

i have core i5 10400f i think

[mossy venture]

do you already have a motherboard?

[unique haven]

no

[brittle copper]

You should probably return that if you still can

[mossy venture]

b560 pro vdh is a good option i believe

10400f costs $130 rn

[fossil cedar]

no they shouldnt , great cpu especially for 130

[mossy venture]

its still a fine cpu

[brittle copper]

What about the 12400f

[mossy venture]

fine for even a 3080 at 1440p

[fossil cedar]

not in their budget

[brittle copper]

Or the Ryzen 5500

[mossy venture]

mobo costs more as well as is $200

the 5500 is going to be a joke imo

[fossil cedar]

not out yet

[fossil cedar]

nahhhh

[mossy venture]

and itll cost more

no

not the mobo costs 200

the cpu does

[brittle copper]

That comes out in 2 weeks

[mossy venture]

the mobo costs 110-140 normally

[brittle copper]

B660s are pretty cheap

[fossil cedar]

yeah but still not gonna beat 10400 price anyway

[brittle copper]

It’ll beat the value

[fossil cedar]

not it wont lmao

[mossy venture]

5500 will not be less than 150 lol

[fossil cedar]

ryzen 5 5500 is supposed to be 170

[brittle copper]

Value = price/performance

[fossil cedar]

yes

[cyan ravine]

Lol why with the fixation on CPU performance at 1440p

[mossy venture]

well first off cpu still matters

just not as much

[brittle copper]

He’s programming with light gaming

[mossy venture]

whats the total budget for the pc

[unique haven]

1,000

[mossy venture]

usd?

[unique haven]

Yeah

Im fine with a few hunderd over

[brittle copper]

I built a 12400f with a 6600 build for that price

$968 to be exact

[fossil cedar]

yeah but you can do 10400f with a 6600xt for that price

way better gpu

[brittle copper]

I’m talking about a full build

[fossil cedar]

so am i

[brittle copper]

What parts?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kCFw6r

[brittle copper]

I have the full list for you right here

[mossy venture]

wait

not that gpu

[fossil cedar]

for cheaper than yours
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gfmV6r
for 1k
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P4NJ8r

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bt9xGL

[unique haven]

arent sata ssds needed?

[fossil cedar]

no

[unique haven]

oh

I thought they were like storage

[fossil cedar]

yeah, m.2 ssd's are also storage

[brittle copper]

This one is 994 so it’s not cheaper and the motherboard is garbage

[fossil cedar]

look at the top link

and motherboard is not garbage lol

[mossy venture]

@brittle copper

[unique haven]

is a crucial m.2 ssd fine?

[fossil cedar]

[unique haven]

oh lmao thanks

[fossil cedar]

Also i did you a list with the best possible components for your budget mate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P4NJ8r

[brittle copper]

I can build a 12400f with a b660 and 6600 xt with all of these parts for less than this

[fossil cedar]

Show us then

[mossy venture]

getting a 6600xt at msrp ofcourse

obviously

[fossil cedar]

Lol non existent

[brittle copper]

It’s pretty easy

[fossil cedar]

Okay show us

Where to buy one

Even if it's not in stock just one listed for msrp

[fossil cedar]

That's not msrp

[brittle copper]

It’s close enough

[strong raft]

An order form =/= build list

[fossil cedar]

Yeah it's pretty close but you can't buy it rn ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brittle copper]

And I did

[fossil cedar]

Don't filter evade btw, that words not allowed

[brittle copper]

Filter evade?

How?

Explain how I just filter evaded

[fossil cedar]

I mean yeah but you still cant buy it

Say that word again without the comma after it

And you'll see

[mossy venture]

dm me what word pato im curious now

[brittle copper]

There wasn’t a comma

[fossil cedar]

Yes there was

[brittle copper]

Oh wait

Maybe there was

[fossil cedar]

At the end of the word,

[unique haven]

sh word

[fossil cedar]

Crap

[mossy venture]

ah

[little osprey]

poopoo fart

[fossil cedar]

But sh

[brittle copper]

It was proper grammar not a filter evasion

Come on dude

[little osprey]

lol what?

[fossil cedar]

I'm just letting you know not saying its your fault

Idk man think this guy wants fights

@little osprey i was a lier for saying that arctic liquid freezer 360 fits in 4000d airflow because you can't do push pull setup soo

[little osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fossil cedar]

Don't trust me i guess

I'm a filthy lier xD

[little osprey]

trust me™️

x79 beats any modern platform

[fossil cedar]

[fossil cedar]

This your catchphrase?

[little osprey]

if you want it to be

[unique haven]

https://tenor.com/view/water-cooling-gif-24158468

[little osprey]

engineering

[unique haven]

facs

[little osprey]

📠

[unique haven]

no printer

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-fast-computer-fast-pc-high-fps-gif-19564704

loogic

[fossil cedar]

Lol

[formal girder]

Dennis this is proper water cooling

[unique haven]

ONG

https://tenor.com/view/water-watercooling-fail-blue-dye-blue-water-gif-19095835

No this is the pinical of water cooling

[formal girder]

I might get that chassis tho

[bold prism]

Is it normal for it to partially light up?

[formal girder]

Do you have the rgb software installed for it?

[bold prism]

I’ve don’t nothing so I’m guessing not

What software is it?

[brittle copper]

MSI Center ——>Mystic Light

[bold prism]

Thanks

That thing free?

[fossil cedar]

EVGA's software is evga x1

[earnest olive]

that model doesn't have the full light up bar

[fossil cedar]

it's an evga card.....

[earnest olive]

that is all the lighting you get

[brittle copper]

Motherboard is MSI

[fossil cedar]

Yeah and they're talking about the gpu usually motherboards only support stuff like that if same vendor as gpu

[earnest olive]

just use openrgb and it'll support both

[formal girder]

Open rgb doesn't support my gpu

[earnest olive]

are you on the latest version?

[brittle copper]

Mystic light works for all GPUs even my FE’s

[earnest olive]

mystic light is also bloated garbage that kills itself trying to update

[bold prism]

Wait so is my gpu able to fully light up?

[brittle copper]

Mystic light is part of MSI Center now

[earnest olive]

.

did you not read this

[brittle copper]

The original crappy version is gone

[earnest olive]

i'm aware, and i hate msi center equally

[fossil cedar]

Doesn't it brick some msi boards?

[earnest olive]

no

[brittle copper]

Why?

[earnest olive]

that was some other software

msi center literally doesn't launch on my msi laptop

nothing happens when i launch it but event viewer shows an application crash for it

had to revert to dragon center to get fan control

like if you're going to preload bloatware onto the laptop at least make sure it launches

[brittle copper]

Oh idk man

[formal girder]

Last I checked a month ago I didn't get any access for Zotac gpus

[brittle copper]

It works well on desktop

Idk man

[earnest olive]

but on desktop you have better options

i am forced to use msi software for proprietary fan control

[brittle copper]

I experienced some lag with it on windows 10 but

It seems to work perfectly with windows 11

[earnest olive]

openrgb uses practically zero resources and is lightweight

[brittle copper]

OpenRGB is good

[earnest olive]

dunno, i've only tried it on asus 3090, asus 3070, evga 3070, and gigabyte 3080

works on all of those though

[little osprey]

openrgb > icue

[earnest olive]

that's not a very high bar

[fossil cedar]

Icue is hot garbage

[earnest olive]

half of a rotting horse corpse > icue

[little osprey]

my grades > icue

[fossil cedar]

I've seen screenshots of icue using 10% cpu

[earnest olive]

ive personally seen 16% cpu usage on my 5800x

[brittle copper]

People generally use their motherboard software to control and sync lighting even if it’s not as good as 3rd party options

[earnest olive]

from one device with three effects

[brittle copper]

It’s just standard procedure

[fossil cedar]

[earnest olive]

okay? and why would that stop me from recommending something better

if it works, cool, i'm still not recommending it when better options exist

[brittle copper]

I’m not talking about you that’s fine

I’m talking about earlier where @fossil cedar was trying to tell to dude to use x1

[earnest olive]

i hated MSI software so much that i bought a different mobo to get rid of my MSI mobo before i learned about openrgb

[brittle copper]

To control the lighting

[fossil cedar]

It's the official way tbf

[earnest olive]

i mean... i highly doubt mystic light would pick up on it

[brittle copper]

Idk why your experience was so bad man

Oops wrong person

That was for you @earnest olive

[earnest olive]

mystic light tried to update itself while i was studying

[brittle copper]

I had bad experiences with mystic light on laptop during the dragon center days

[fossil cedar]

Only good piece of msi software I've used is afterburner

[earnest olive]

turned my solid white into rainbow barf and i couldn't focus with the sun next to my face

[brittle copper]

But on desktop never had much of a problem

[earnest olive]

but somehow it failed to update itself so badly that i couldn't even uninstall it

[fossil cedar]

Lol

[earnest olive]

so i had to manually remove all the files and regkeys

[fossil cedar]

Sadge

[earnest olive]

and that was on desktop

[brittle copper]

If you think that’s bad you should see gigabyte RGB fusion

[earnest olive]

never had such problems with rgb fusion actually

after running a b550 aorus elite for like a year

the biggest problem it ever had was sometimes not detecting my gigabyte 3080

[fossil cedar]

RGB fusion has worked perfectly fine with my motherboard and old gigabyte gpu

[brittle copper]

Me neither but apparently it has a strong reputation for being the worst lighting software

[earnest olive]

icue?

[brittle copper]

Nope, RGB fusion

[fossil cedar]

Biggest problem with rgb fusion ik of it having issues with the aorus master screen

[brittle copper]

I don’t know much about icu

[earnest olive]

around here icue is definitely the most hated software

[brittle copper]

Oh I don’t use Corsair RGB products so I wouldn’t know

[earnest olive]

good

[fossil cedar]

Don't

[brittle copper]

Their fans are too expensive

[earnest olive]

but please don't curse openly here

c*rsair is a bad word

[brittle copper]

Daaaaamn

https://tenor.com/view/damn-shookt-shocked-gif-5580082

[fossil cedar]

Yes there are children here, protect their poor ears

[brittle copper]

He really came at them like that

Geeeeez

I can’t lie tho

Their customer service has been good to me

[fossil cedar]

I mean

[earnest olive]

btw pato

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

i heard i need to remove your techie and mod assist roles because you used to use c*rsair ram

[fossil cedar]

No pls it was bought before i knew better

I use Ballistix now :)

[brittle copper]

Looks like I’m safe

[fossil cedar]

3600cl14 <3

[little osprey]

dew

[fossil cedar]

[little osprey]

Ballistix is ballin

[fossil cedar]

Hell yeah

[brittle copper]

Ballistix makes B die?

[little osprey]

Bruh,

[fossil cedar]

Rev e

[little osprey]

Ballistix is like the god of bdie

[fossil cedar]

Ballistix don't use b die

Rev e/b

[brittle copper]

Micron rev e at 3600 c14?

How

[earnest olive]

time to ban cameron

i've gotten my rev. e to 3800c12

lol

[little osprey]

Samsung Bdie

[fossil cedar]

Pretty easily

Rev e is great

[earnest olive]

just a normal 3600c16 xmp kit

[brittle copper]

2 x 8?

[fossil cedar]

It's not flat 14's

[little osprey]

Guys dont worry my green samsung ram is running 3600 cl16 stable its totally bdie

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[little osprey]

Just like ignore the fact my motherboard doesnt have xmp enabled

[brittle copper]

OOOOOOOH

[brittle copper]

Mannnn and here I thought

[earnest olive]

3800c12 1.7V

i've also gotten it to 4800c16 for desync memes

[fossil cedar]

@brittle copper my timings with the 3200cl16 Ballistix rev e kit

[earnest olive]

this kit is kinda good

[brittle copper]

I thought y’all were talking about the 3200 C16 32gb XMP kit

[desert gulch]

Hey sips

[brittle copper]

I was like hold up I tested two kits

[earnest olive]

that kit should still be able to do 3600c14 easily

[brittle copper]

It can’t

[fossil cedar]

It most certainly can

[earnest olive]

prob could if you set manual rtts

[brittle copper]

Oh wait my bad

It can it gear 2

Not in gear 1

[earnest olive]

why would you need gear 2 for 3600

[brittle copper]

It can go to 3600

[earnest olive]

gear 1 should be able to go up to 4000 on just about any alder lake cpu

[fossil cedar]

Gear 2 for 3600 is dumb

[earnest olive]

shoutout to igor booting 4350c17 gear 1 lol

[fossil cedar]

Lol yeah

[brittle copper]

Not on a dual ranked kit no it definitely Can’t

Not even my b die kit can do that

[fossil cedar]

Yes It can

[brittle copper]

Also dual rank

[fossil cedar]

Yeah it can mate

[brittle copper]

I’ve tested it and no it cannot

[earnest olive]

are you sure about that?

[fossil cedar]

With what timings? Voltages etc

[earnest olive]

you seem to be confident that you are the world's best ram overclocker or something

if you can't do it then nobody can?

[fossil cedar]

Well sips

Tbf

[earnest olive]

that's 4000 14-14-14 gear 1 dual rank

[brittle copper]

Didn’t say I’m the best overclocker just saying that I tried using the similar settings that I used to previously run a b die kit at 4000 C14 on my previous Ryzen 5900X build

[earnest olive]

you seem very confident in this statement just because you can't get it to work lol

[brittle copper]

What kit is this?

[earnest olive]

some random b-die

[brittle copper]

And you’re certain it’s dual rank?

[unique haven]

Nice

[earnest olive]

it's 32gb lol

[brittle copper]

Wow

[earnest olive]

there's no such thing as 16gb single rank b-die dimms

so 32gb implies dual rank

[brittle copper]

Ballistix max is single rank “b-die”

[fossil cedar]

No it's rev b/e

Ballistix is only rev e or rev b

B die is made by samsung

Those are micron dies

[brittle copper]

Woooooooosh

[potent portal]

Micron owns crucial, so they put their dies into crucial sticks to save money

[fossil cedar]

Not like rev e or b is lacking either

[formal girder]

Doesn't rev e or b have issues with increasing voltage during oc?

I might be mistake or that it doesn't really do too much in helping

[brittle copper]

@earnest olive you might actually be right this time

Apparently there may be one limiting factor from stock settings

One stock voltage setting that may be the reason why I could boot high frequency on my unify-X and low on the MPG edge

[stoic island]

p sure reve and revb both scale nicely with voltage in general

also, mem traces are different between different boards

[desert gulch]

"this time" xD

Smh he is always right

[brittle copper]

Yeah I know

Lmao

[desert gulch]

Sips isn't human, he is never wrong

[strong raft]

Imagine the nerve saying sips "might be right " in a case like this.

[desert gulch]

He's literally a mushroom

[strong raft]

A mushrom that crushes mario instead

[brittle copper]

I’ll try manually setting the VCCSA to 1.3 on my lunch break

[brittle copper]

His name is sips?

Does he actually go by that?

Is that short for something

[earnest olive]

it's my discord username

[brittle copper]

Oh the sips seductively part

I get it

[earnest olive]

b-die refers exclusively to samsung b-die

micron uses "rev"

rev. b

16GB single rank dimm would have to use 8x 16Gb B-die ICs in single rank

[brittle copper]

I’ve seen it used both ways

[earnest olive]

16Gb B-die IC doesn't exist

well whoever's using it that way is plainly wrong

that's like saying MSI STRIX 3090 OC, lol

NVIDIA RX 6900XT FE?

[brittle copper]

So assuming you’re also right about it being “easy” to clock to 4000 on dual rank

[strong raft]

Micron called b die would just be people being wrong.

[earnest olive]

did I ever say easy?

[brittle copper]

I’m assuming that means the bin of the CPU would not be a limiting factor correct?

[earnest olive]

I said 3600c14 was easy

I said 4000 should be doable

never said 4000 gear 1 was easy

[earnest olive]

it's possible

IMCs have their own silicon lottery

though I would expect any ADL IMC to be able to run 4000 gear 1 dual rank

[brittle copper]

Well of course

[earnest olive]

it's possible that some rare samples won't

[brittle copper]

Okay that’s good enough for me

Do you have the settings for that screenshot you sent me?

[earnest olive]

if you have b-die there's no sense in copying rev. e settings

[brittle copper]

I have both

[earnest olive]

or did you mean this one

cause most of the settings are already shown

[brittle copper]

Bios settings

To get it to post

[earnest olive]

most of them are in the picture..

[brittle copper]

Hmmmm

The timings won’t help but I’ll try some of the settings in the left pane

Starting with the SA voltage

[brittle copper]

Was this done on a dual rank kit too?

[earnest olive]

I don't have enough experience with alder lake to tell you what vccsa values are safe to daily, so keep that in mind

[earnest olive]

no

2x8 SR

[brittle copper]

Oh okay

Yeah I tried to boot CL12 even back on my Ryzen build

Never worked

Not even once

[earnest olive]

were you pushing 1.7v with active cooling

that was cl12 1t gdm off lol

[brittle copper]

1.9 with a fan and gdm on lol

[earnest olive]

at what speed?

[brittle copper]

4800

[earnest olive]

yeah no wonder

[brittle copper]

Hey buildzoid did it with this kit

Well the single rank version of it

[earnest olive]

4800c12 is maybe doable on single rank b-die at 2V with sub ambient cooling

not on dual rank rev. e at 1.9v lol

[brittle copper]

Oh no that was on my b die kit

He used the team t force argb kit

16GB

I used my 32gb dual rank one

[earnest olive]

needs binned sticks as well

[brittle copper]

Yeah definitely

[earnest olive]

the world record in pyprime is set with 4440 12-12-12-16 under LN2 so

4800c12 is a pretty unrealistic target

[brittle copper]

I brought it down to 3800

Still wouldn’t boot

[earnest olive]

this was the 4440c12 setup

lol

[brittle copper]

Oh yeah I don’t got all that

Jesus

[earnest olive]

4440c12 in gear 1 1T

[brittle copper]

Do they make water blocks for kits yet?

[earnest olive]

yes

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/water-blocks/ram-blocks

[brittle copper]

Damn I need to invest in that

[earnest olive]

water won't get you to 4800c12 lol

[brittle copper]

Oh I know

That was a while back

At this point I’d just go DDR5 if I want to get that kind of performance

[earnest olive]

is 4800c12 even possible? might be confusing it for 4800c14

lol 4800c12 would crush practically all ddr5 at this point

[brittle copper]

Idk man, we have Kits in the 8000s here at Cisco already

[earnest olive]

and with what timings

[brittle copper]

44

I don’t know the rest

I work in OTA

[earnest olive]

4800c12 is equivalent latency to 8000c20

[brittle copper]

I just saw the dimms in the calibration lab

[earnest olive]

44... lmao

[brittle copper]

What makes you say that?

[earnest olive]

simple math

[brittle copper]

What equation?

[earnest olive]

google first word latency lol

don't even need an equation to compare two kits though...

4800/12*8000

first word latency isn't everything, but 4800c12 is still going to beat 8000c44 in practically everything

[brittle copper]

Did you use a latency calculator?

[earnest olive]

no, that's simple math

[stoic island]

Technically that's just tcl latency in ns, but anyways, the actual first word read latency is wackier

[brittle copper]

Oh you just used a loose proportion

I thought you had an actually credible equation

[earnest olive]

lol

go bench 4800c12 and 8000c44 then

we already see well tuned b-die kits at dailyable timings matching top end ddr5

something insane like 4800c12 is going to pull ahead

[stoic island]

Alatron post on actual calculations for first word read latency:
https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/364651-dram-first-word-latency

[brittle copper]

I don’t doubt it

[stoic island]

If you want to calculate that, go for it

Explanation and all for everything

pcpp just does the simple tcl/speed/2000 thing for a quick answer in ns

Do note, ddr5 burst length is 16 bits compared to 8 bits on ddr4

[brittle copper]

You mean the bus width?

Oh wait your talking about something else

mb

[weary wave]

Hey, question for y'all... Will a Corsair iCUE H60i RGB Pro XT AIO cool a 5900x that is not overclocked in a well ventilated mini itx build? https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Liquid-Cooling/iCUE-RGB-PRO-XT-Coolers/p/CW-9060049-WW

[earnest olive]

oh god

$100 for a 120mm aio?

why?

[brittle copper]

Why buy a 120mm aio lmao

[weary wave]

I already own it

[earnest olive]

i mean, mini itx

that's like the only reason to ever buy a 120mm aio

[weary wave]

I got it for $30

[earnest olive]

that price is eye watering though

oh

that's better

well, it'll stop the 5900x from melting

it won't be great

[weary wave]

It's brand new

[earnest olive]

but you gotta temper your expectations

[brittle copper]

Aren’t there cheap scythe coolers that’ll perform substantially better?

[earnest olive]

yeah have fun putting a fuma 2 in most itx cases

[weary wave]

No way it'll fit

[brittle copper]

No not that

The smaller one

[earnest olive]

i'd expect the big shuriken to lose to a 120 aio personally

[weary wave]

I've also got a kraken z63, maybe I'll see if I can squeeze that in, though I was hoping to save that for another build

[earnest olive]

if you already have it, doesn't hurt to test it

it should function

[brittle copper]

But seriously tho

Why 120

Even a t1 can fit a 240

[weary wave]

I've got way too many parts and not enough time to build everything :(

@brittle copper cause I'm trying to get rid of parts I already have

[brittle copper]

Ahhh

[weary wave]

I guess I'll pair the H60I with a 3600x, probably more in the realm of possibility

[brittle copper]

Landfill time?

Jk

[weary wave]

Lol

Nah, I've just been busy so I've been buying more than building lately, and I'll be going out of town on business for 6 months soon... I'd rather not have a tonne of stuff sitting collecting dust and depreciating, so I'm trying to whip as many together as I can

[brittle copper]

Oh okay makes sense

Oh man this is not looking good

I tried setting the sa voltage to 1.25

Didn’t work at all

Wait a minute

@earnest olive yo that screenshot you sent me has the command rate at 2T

[earnest olive]

and?

[brittle copper]

Can this be done at 1T on a z690?

[earnest olive]

did i ever claim otherwise? lol

probably

[brittle copper]

Yeah doesn’t seem like the command rate is the limiting factor

[earnest olive]

i'd take 4000 2T gear 1 over 3600 1T gear 1

[brittle copper]

Yeah I just

Idk maybe I just need to get a new motherboard

2T isn’t working either

There no way the imc bin is preventing me from posting 3800 C14

[earnest olive]

are you on the latest bios?

[brittle copper]

Probably not let me check

[earnest olive]

some boards have had growing pains with bios

[brittle copper]

Lol

And people said the MSI z690s were the “only good ones”

[earnest olive]

gigabyte z690 boards could barely boot at all in the beginning

[brittle copper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/rx2n4z/help_with_z690_and_gear_1/

Seems to be a wide issue

[rose torrent]

updating bios now

[earnest olive]

different discord account? lol

[rose torrent]

yeah i had some notification problems when using the same acocunt on multiple devices

so made an account for each device

[little osprey]

lmao, wtf

some dedication

[rose torrent]

okay so

@earnest olive it seems like the bios update + the SA voltage change + the loosening of the command rate has allowed me to boot at 4000 C14

[earnest olive]

nice

bios update probably was it tbh

[brittle copper]

My system is now boot looping for trying to lower the DRAM voltage to 1.55

[brittle copper]

Send help

[earnest olive]

just do a cmos clear lol

[brittle copper]

Yeah but then I’d have to unscrew remove my 3080 to reach the header and it’s just going to a hassle

Not one.

[frigid night]

I feel like the "hassle" would probably be quicker than any other method someone could provide if there was one.

So really, wouldn't taking more time to fix it be more of a hassle?

[brittle copper]

I got out of the boot loop

But it seems like a cmos reset is inevitable

This isn’t going well

It automatically booting to bios

I hope my SSD isn’t dead

[little osprey]

removing a gpu isnt that hard

unless you're in an sff build and theres 1 cm of clearance

[brittle copper]

I just don’t like removing them because I scratched my FE shrouds with the screwdriver whilst removing them at

[frigid night]

How'd you do that?

[little osprey]

Wtf, lol

isnt the only screw by the pcie bracket

[brittle copper]

Yeah

[little osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sorprendido-cara-surprised-shocked-face-wow-oh-god-gif-15759918

[brittle copper]

I was trying to take it off fast

[frigid night]

Well thats a simple fix.

[brittle copper]

And the screwdriver moved off the screw head to the right

[frigid night]

Take it off slower this time.

[brittle copper]

And scratched the shroud

[little osprey]

who knew removing a gpu could be this troublesome

[brittle copper]

Well obviously

[frigid night]

I mean, isn't gpu just plug n play?

[brittle copper]

I run 2 for blender and redshift

[frigid night]

Oh. So 2 plug and play.

[brittle copper]

Jeeez

But yeah I was doing a lot of tweaking way back when

And I ended up removing and reinstalling my GPU multiple times

Because this motherboard doesn’t have a cmos reset button

Like my unify X did

After scratching the shroud I just tried to stop relying on cmos reset as much and left the GPU in there

I still can’t believe not one of these companies could add a cmos reset button to any of these DDR4 motherboards

[earnest olive]

if you're going to be ram overclocking consider buying one of those PC power buttons and wiring it to your cmos pins

or just using your case's reset button if it has one

[brittle copper]

Oh the reset button might help a lot

I never thought of that

[earnest olive]

yeah just hook up reset SW to clear cmos and you're golden

[brittle copper]

Is there a way to do that in the bios?

[earnest olive]

these work in the absence of a reset button

no you'll have to physically rewire the button to clear cmos

so you'll still have to take your GPU out one more time

but should be the last time

[jagged ember]

I mean, shouldn't be a problem taking it out

[brittle copper]

It’s fine it just makes me anxious

[jagged ember]

yeah I get you

[earnest olive]

you don't need to screw it in if you anticipate taking it out

[jagged ember]

but as long as you don't rub your gpu in carpet

or shuffle your feet in carpet while holding it by the pins or something lol

[earnest olive]

if you don't screw it in, you can take the gpu out in like 5 seconds

don't need to unplug pcie power

just push down the slot clip, take it out, get access to cmos pins

[brittle copper]

Yeah I could actually loosen the screw

And just use my fingers

[earnest olive]

you don't need the screw at all

[jagged ember]

true

it'll still stay in the slot without a screw

[earnest olive]

good to have long term but no problem just doing your testing with no screw

[jagged ember]

if you're not gonna touch it anymore yeah use screw

[brittle copper]

I think I’ll just end up using my fingers only from now on

to tighten and remove

It was because I used a screwdriver last time and I was in a rush

[jagged ember]

just

don't be in a rush I guess?

[brittle copper]

That works too lol

[jagged ember]

I think it's easier with a screwdriver than with fingers

unless, you use a thumbscrew or something

[brittle copper]

Oh for me it’s easier with fingers

[jagged ember]

ah

[earnest olive]

oh thumbscrews

fancy

[jagged ember]

I got a 90 degree ratchet screwdriver just for this reason

[brittle copper]

So uh

What software do y’all use to test memory OC stability

[jagged ember]

OCCT

for a few hours iirc?

[brittle copper]

Oh damn

Nah I got finish testing this modem first

Got in trouble because I didn’t run enough tests yesterday

[jagged ember]

yeah from what I remember you really need to test stability

doesn't hurt if you test for longer, anyways

[brittle copper]

Before that I guess I should probably ask about voltage safety

Is 1.6V too high for daily?

[jagged ember]

yes

I believe 1.45 is the max but I'm not exactly a professional lol

I defer to techies for this inquiry

[brittle copper]

@earnest olive I have a very important question

[earnest olive]

yes?

1.6 vdimm?

on b-die?

as long as your temps are in check, that's child's play for b-die

you said you have a fan on it

monitor the temps during the stability test

you'll start to get temp related stability errors in the mid 40s

[brittle copper]

can multiple b die kits of the same model (t force argb) have different bins?

[earnest olive]

sure

[brittle copper]

Oh I took the fan off

[earnest olive]

put it back lol

[brittle copper]

Is this good enough?:

The proximity

Or do I need a fan direct only the kit

@earnest olive

[earnest olive]

put a fan on it

especially since you have 2 3080s blowing heat into it lmao

[potent portal]

1.6v is in the "dedicated fan required" territory for sure

1.5v you could get away with indirect

[brittle copper]

Hmmm I’m probably gonna need to buy another fan

[brittle copper]

What about 1.55

[potent portal]

Depends on the case

[brittle copper]

Like the g skill kit

4000 c14 XMP 1.55V

[earnest olive]

depends on ambient and how much heat is going through your case as well

2 3080s puts you firmly in the worst case scenario for case heat lol

[potent portal]

If you have a fan within 3 inches of the kit it's probably ok but any further you'll want dedicated fan

[earnest olive]

strongly advise you to keep side panel off

[brittle copper]

I live in the hottest Ass hair burning, armpit juice flowing part of Texas

[earnest olive]

I live in cali

[brittle copper]

Jk not anymore I’m in NorCal now

In Santa Clara

[earnest olive]

ah

yeah we both live in hell as far as ambient temps are concerned

get a fan

[brittle copper]

Lmao you’re not wrong

[earnest olive]

I can't keep my ram below 40c with two dedicated fans and an open case

at only 1.53v

I also have a 3090 mining blowing 320 watts

[potent portal]

I have the same fractal torrent case and without direct airflow I can't get more than 1.42v stable with b-die

[earnest olive]

but it should be mostly exhausting outward rather than towards the ram

also have a fan on gpu backplate that is contributing some airflow to ram

[brittle copper]

Oh shoot we have the same case man

[potent portal]

Yeah, it's a fantastic case if you're on either air cooling or custom liquid

My ram used to be stable at 1.56v in my old case with a fan directly above it

[strong raft]

SoCal*. dang hot down there.

[brittle copper]

So uh remember that question I just asked you about how wide the variance is for b die is a specific kit model?

Is the variance the same for rev e kit models?

Cuz I bought two kits to test for one of my friends and they both performed the same so I sent one back randomly

This was way before the bios update of course

[earnest olive]

check the part number

mine is C9BLM

two kits with the same number will be pretty much identical

@frank stirrup has C9BLM and was able to copy paste my timings

[frank stirrup]

Not exactly

I was able to do most of em

But some couldnt go as tight as urs

And some went tighter

[earnest olive]

huh

i thought u just copied all

[frank stirrup]

Nope

Couldnt

Very unstable/no boot with some of ur timings

[brittle copper]

Does that go for rev e or b die?

[frank stirrup]

Rev e

[brittle copper]

Oh okay so the variance for rev e is less than b die

[frank stirrup]

No

There are different sub models in rev e

And those sub models are close oc wise

[brittle copper]

Hmmm

[frank stirrup]

Thats why sippy mentioned c9blm

And not just rev e

[brittle copper]

Will crucial ballistix have the same?

[frank stirrup]

Re read my last 5 messages

[brittle copper]

Of purchased around the same time

I know I know

The sub groups

Will they have the same sub group if purchased around the same time

2 pairs of ballistix

[frank stirrup]

3600c16 should be c9blm

3200c16 is not

Again tho

If u read what sippy said, check the part number

Use thaiphoon burner

[brittle copper]

I kinda returned one of the kits

But if the 3600 C16 XMP kits OC similarly

And have the same part number

I’m guessing two kits of 3200 C16 should also have their own OC bracket

[frank stirrup]

Yeah

But when you do dual rank on rev e everything changes

[brittle copper]

Oh no…..

[frank stirrup]

So 2x16gb sticks or 4x8gb

[brittle copper]

They were both dual rank

2x16

[frank stirrup]

Yeah then u cant really copy sips timings

[brittle copper]

Oh that’s fine

I’m just worried that

I’m just worried that I might’ve returned the better of the two kits to Amazon

[spare socket]

when is a good time to buy a PC ? should i wait ?

[obsidian wigeon]

things are getting better now

i would say it depends if you wanna wait or not

[little osprey]

Now is a great time it you’ve been waiting all of covid

[fossil cedar]

But basically always there is always something new and better available in x months

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[plucky timber]

yeah

you either buy or you either wait

i think there's a point in time where it was the best time to build a pc

early 2020 before covid messed up the prices

literally anyone who built a pc at that time can last them through the entire pandemic

[fossil cedar]

I'd actually say best time in the last while was when 3070/3080 originally launched

Especially if you mined and didn't sell right away

[plucky timber]

yeah

[still roost]

J Strelok Among Us#5311 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[obsidian wigeon]

that's when people panic sold 2080ti's

[plucky timber]

you can mine the crap out of it and then sell it for a profit

imagine those people who bought 2 for sli

[obsidian wigeon]

best time to cop a 2080ti

[plucky timber]

and then sold one

[obsidian wigeon]

400 a pop man

[plucky timber]

they still have a gpu

and they made a crap load of money

and the gpu they bought are practically free

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah fhr cards go for a ton

1k easy

[plucky timber]

because of the mining and the flipping

[fossil cedar]

Oh man people were selling 2080 tis for 450$

[plucky timber]

damn

[obsidian wigeon]

2080ti for 450

yep

people being idiots

when 3070 is 2080ti perf

[plucky timber]

and now you can't get them for 850

[little osprey]

Isint the 3070 Better than the 2080ti

[brittle tinsel]

so we built my brother a pc, and here recently its been having issues.
1 day he can turn it on and all drives work. then the next day, the main drive doesnt show up.
any ideas?

[obsidian wigeon]

no

about equal

[fossil cedar]

Equal

[little osprey]

K

[little osprey]

K

[plucky timber]

K

[fossil cedar]

What's the parts list? Is the drive loose?

Have you checked all the connections to make sure they're not loose

[plucky timber]

did you use a m.2 to pcie adapter by any chance

[brittle tinsel]

i5 4560s or somethiing like tthat, 1060 3gb. we havent, I wanted a second opinion on if that would be an issue before opening it up. Im the only one in the house that knows how to work on em, I just dread opening them. it causes a lot of pain with my disability.
if you think that could cause it Ill give it a try

[plucky timber]

probably no m.2 then

[brittle tinsel]

its a 750gb hdd

[plucky timber]

used?

if it's a really old drive it could simply be dead

[brittle tinsel]

it was a wiped drive from a prebuilt we bought

[plucky timber]

hm

[brittle tinsel]

had a sticker that said 3rd wipe

[plucky timber]

that sounds like a heavily used drive

have you tried uhhh

using crystaldiskinfo?

that might say something about the drive

[brittle tinsel]

if it was dead though why does it randomly pick days to work and work like a beast. the only issue is that some days it wont show up

like this morning. its not there but it was since monday

[plucky timber]

it might just not be completely dead

there's a lot of early indicators of a dying hdd

like bad sectors

that's when i knew to throw away my barracuda

[brittle tinsel]

is there a way to get another drive and "clone" the data or something>?

I really dont wanna have to install all those games again

[plucky timber]

if it actually is a dying drive then it's gonna be a bit iffy

you should check with crystaldiskinfo

[brittle tinsel]

he just restarted the pc and its up again

[plucky timber]

great

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

don't wanna be annoying but

should probably check it before it vanishes into the shadow realm again

[brittle tinsel]

do I need a usb or something or is it direct download?

[plucky timber]

direct download

[limber oyster]

Talking with a buddy of mine and they send me this: "And I would assume that the word "Smart" on my PSU means extra safeguards"

[brittle tinsel]

Ive never used a software like this so could I screenshot it and post it and tag you?

[limber oyster]

Smart as in thermaltake smart

[plucky timber]

yep

[plucky timber]

Smart IED

[limber oyster]

Indeed

[strong raft]

💥

[plucky timber]

I am probably gonna regret asking but, what's the specs?

[limber oyster]

For them?

Idk

Probably the 500w 80+ white

[plucky timber]

the specs of the pc i mean

[limber oyster]

Idk

But apparently they've had it for 6 years

[plucky timber]

i'm imagining a 1080TI and a 8700K paired with a bomb

[limber oyster]

Lol

[humble fossil]

hi

Does it make a difference to install an external graphics card for the laptop?

[plucky timber]

yeah

it's gonna get bottlenecked to hell

[limber oyster]

Might as well not

[plucky timber]

that bandwidth is just 💀

unless it's a thunderbolt one

it's not as bad as the janky adapter things but 🤷‍♂️

[brittle tinsel]

yo boeing, does it matter what drive its on?

[plucky timber]

wdym?

[brittle tinsel]

like should it be installed to the problem drive?

[plucky timber]

probably not

you'd probably want it on the drive that's not uhh

dying

or at least seems to be dying

[limber oyster]

Hey Boeing, what's the best way to heat up a poptart?

[plucky timber]

R9 295X2

[limber oyster]

And not burn it

[brittle tinsel]

who tf heats up poptarts?

[limber oyster]

I do

[brittle tinsel]

gross

[plucky timber]

i'm probably gonna piss some people off

but i have never eaten a poptart

[limber oyster]

I keep it in the packaging and then stick it on top of my 3080rtx lol

[plucky timber]

lol

you can cook two of them on a R9 295X2

directly on the die

[brittle tinsel]

I dont recommend em boeing

[still roost]

Broslayszombies44#8018 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[limber oyster]

Then I hop into cyberpunk 2077, and turn l the graphics to the max

[brittle tinsel]

they taste bad

[limber oyster]

After 5 minutes you can see the air inside the packaging expand from it heating up

[brittle tinsel]

the only one I can put up with is the raspberry one as it almost tastes like a raspberry filled donut

[plucky timber]

does it actually work lol

[limber oyster]

The tart gets warmed up, the filling is goey, and it's not burnt

[plucky timber]

now i really wanna get a passively cooled gpu

and just put food on it

[limber oyster]

Lol

[plucky timber]

oh god

imagine a R9 295X2 cooking eggs

[limber oyster]

Imagine a 4090 ti cooking eggs

[plucky timber]

imagine if the 4090ti surpasses 500w

[limber oyster]

It's supposed to be 600w

[brittle tinsel]

@plucky timber

[plucky timber]

even the 750GB one?

[limber oyster]

I mean my 3080rtx is a 750w recommended PSU, I rarely go above 500w

[brittle tinsel]

I thought it was the 750 giving issues

its the 500 he said

[limber oyster]

Run the 750

[plucky timber]

52029 hours

jesus

[brittle tinsel]

yeah

it must have been a server drive maybe? thats like over 5 yuears

years*

[plucky timber]

makes sense

only 820 power on counts

and that many hours

reallocated sectors

[brittle tinsel]

so how is the health? it on its way out>

[plucky timber]

that's never a good sign

idk actually

[limber oyster]

It's 64 hours on average that it's turned on each cycle

[plucky timber]

since CDI still says good health

imma boot up crystaldiskinfo for a reference point

[limber oyster]

63.45 actual

[strong raft]

Better than the weirdo not heating up a poptart

[plucky timber]

i don't think stores even sell them here

[strong raft]

[brittle tinsel]

this is the SSD boot drive.

this is the 750gb hdd that hasnt had issues yet

[limber oyster]

Dang 37,000 hours

But has been booted up 1000 times

[plucky timber]

are they all used drives?

[brittle tinsel]

the company we got it from said it was new

[limber oyster]

100 uncorrectable sectors

[limber oyster]

There's no way

[brittle tinsel]

but it doesnt appear that way

[plucky timber]

that's literally a scam

[limber oyster]

email them the screenshots and ask for warrenty

[plucky timber]

if they sold you new drives

[limber oyster]

Or refund

[brittle tinsel]

we got it from lyte technology

[plucky timber]

and it had this many hours on it

[strong raft]

6+ TB written to the 120GB ssd? Wow!

[limber oyster]

Exactly

[brittle tinsel]

it didnt have issues until after the 30 day part relacement period

[limber oyster]

Of course

[plucky timber]

that's pretty normal for a boot drive honestly

[limber oyster]

Like the very next day after the 30 day period right?

[brittle tinsel]

ok, they told me I got the wrong pc, this is the one we bought from lyte technology xmas of 2020

[plucky timber]

oh

[limber oyster]

😂😂😂😂

[plucky timber]

is the dead drive on the other pc?

[brittle tinsel]

no that is that drive dying

I just mixed up how long they have been used

so this has been used since xmas 2020 as a daily gaming pc

the one behind me is the new one

[plucky timber]

oops

wrong screenshot

[strong raft]

Tbh it isn't. That's like filling it 60 times. Well to me it sounds well used when my 250GB probably says 500GB written, if that. Only used it 8 months though.

[brittle tinsel]

learning Chinese or something>

[plucky timber]

homework

[brittle tinsel]

ah

[strong raft]

No thnx

[plucky timber]

don't learn chinese

you would want to rip your hair out

[brittle tinsel]

so im guessing we need to replace all the drives?

2 years later is probably to late for a court case huh? that blows

well no one use lyte technology

[plucky timber]

it could be a loose sata connector

those drives do look pretty old tho

from googling the model number

[brittle tinsel]

lmfao this is on their website rn

[plucky timber]

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-st3500414cs-500gb/p/N82E16822179034

wait

sata 3.0Gb/s?

that sounds like sata 2

tbh hard drives can't really make full use of the sata 2 standard anyways so

[strong raft]

Could try other sata port and/or cable. Run crystal diskmark & see what they get too. Yea, sata 1 is 1.5 sata 2 is 3gb/s, sata 3 is 6gb/s

[plucky timber]

but you can still tell how old it is by the fact that it has sata 2

yeah

it could be a less serious issue like a bad port or cable

[brittle tinsel]

we dont have spare cables, they sent out the rig with no spare screws, cables or anyhting

they left us with no room to upgrade unless we replace the case and psu

[plucky timber]

sata cables are pretty cheap

[brittle tinsel]

but they do allow us to ship it in and they will buy the old parts off of us for a discount on new parts

[plucky timber]

yeah

that sounds like how they got those drives in the first place

[brittle tinsel]

probably over and over at over 5 years use time

[strong raft]

Good news is a 4TB X300 toshiba is $100ish (7200rpm) & various 4TB 5200rpm hdds are $60ish, if you even needed another big hdd.

[plucky timber]

yeah

[brittle tinsel]

its not marketed as "new" in big letters, but its not marketed as "used:" either, dont they have to list stuff like that as part of buyer protection?

[plucky timber]

you can pretty much replace all of the drives with one

at least most of the hdds

ssd is a different story

Still it would be a good idea to make sure it's not another issue

before spending money on a new psu

[brittle tinsel]

yeah but from all 3 systems we got from them, replacing 1.75 tb total of drives with 4tb would help with the no space issue but thats $180 total

[plucky timber]

imo decent 5200rpm drives aren't that slow

at least the 3.5" ones

2.5" ones are as bad as they sound

i mean the 3.5" 5200rpm drives are still slow

just a lot more tolerable than their 2.5" counterpart

[brittle tinsel]

the one Im using is a custom built one I did, to save money I did 4tb 5200rpm drives and it honestly isnt bad at all. I just use an ssd for games that load times depend on it

like rust and tarkov

[plucky timber]

yeah

my WD is a 5400RPM drive

it's not a bad drive by any means

tho i load all my games on my 7200RPM Ironwolf

[brittle tinsel]

I did a wd blue 4tb

[plucky timber]

eeef

[brittle tinsel]

maybe that isnt a 5200 it might be 5400

[plucky timber]

my WD is a Red

[brittle tinsel]

i dont remember now

[plucky timber]

pretty much buying these drives to last

gonna be using them for years

[brittle tinsel]

yeah, this pc was meant to last but the gpu is a 1060 3gb that has been surged out twice. I built this machine when I lost my first one to a power surge. this happened to be during the gpu crisis and I needed a rig up for work and school

[plucky timber]

ouch

[strong raft]

If I said 5200/5400, 1 was just a typo. Yea, the non-7200 3.5" stuff isn't even all that slow, agreed

[plucky timber]

if there was a power surge that could have damaged other parts too

it could have damaged a sata port

tho it's only a theory

[strong raft]

Indeed, sometimes electronics really don't like losing power. Tbh I've always wanted to get myself a UPS.

[plucky timber]

i'm lucky to live in a place where power surges are rare

[brittle tinsel]

different pc. my pc is the one I said surged, his is the new one that wasnt new

[plucky timber]

oh

[brittle tinsel]

I know its confusing. either way, it works and im gonna head out and play with him while he is on. thanks for the help

[plucky timber]

yeah

just make sure it's not a loose sata cable or any simple issues that could be fixed without buying a new hdd

it is a lot of money to spend

[strong raft]

https://tenor.com/view/no-money-money-life-wallet-broke-gif-7513240

[still roost]

Broslayszombies44#8018 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky timber]

thanks bot

very sensitive

[strong raft]

💩 world has been sissified

[plucky timber]

and very annoying

[brittle tinsel]

I guess a word for big battles isnt allowed. BS

[plucky timber]

lol

i straight up have the bot blocked so it won't dm me

[brittle tinsel]

I would test if that is what set it off but I dont want banned, this would be 3rd strike today

[plucky timber]

yeah

idk how many times i've been warned by the bot honestly

[brittle tinsel]

anyway, thanks for the help, god bless brother!

[plucky timber]

good luck on the hdd stuff

[little osprey]

the word poop is literally blocked in ltt

it's hilariously stupid

but then they allow people to give horrible advice and insult other people's builds

[plucky timber]

that's roblox level of censorship

[little osprey]

bobox