building-and-recc-chat

[summer tusk]

1050

its a 5 year old model

about

[mossy venture]

def not the gpu then

[frank stirrup]

cpu tab and mainboard tab

[stoic island]

Maybe not, it's definitely not GPU though

[frank stirrup]

im still betting on cpu

[fossil cedar]

How much you betting tho?

[frank stirrup]

3 cat pics

[fossil cedar]

Heafty bet

[frank stirrup]

Yems indeed

[summer tusk]

That’s with the heat pipe on

[zealous edge]

The CPU is under the heat pipe.

Top right as you can see it is enclosed.

[zealous edge]

Most likely the chipset.

[summer tusk]

There’s under the heap pipe

[zealous edge]

GPU is there.

Yea, that's what I though.

[fossil cedar]

@frank stirrup

[zealous edge]

GPU is located on the left side, CPU on the right.

[fossil cedar]

Cat pics rn

[stoic island]

Lol

[frank stirrup]

If at all cpu is left and gpu is right btw eternxl

[stoic island]

Time to go into hwinfo or something and look at the hardware

[frank stirrup]

Fine

[zealous edge]

I made the edit.

Wrote the opposite by accident lol

[frank stirrup]

@fossil cedar

[zealous edge]

You're welcome lol.

[summer tusk]

Also, what are these two wires running from the WiFi card?

And where do they go

[frank stirrup]

Antenna

Somewhere along the chassis

[summer tusk]

That makes sense. It looks like it goes into the screen side presumably to the top

[frank stirrup]

Those ones yeah?

[frank stirrup]

For?

[zealous edge]

not you lol.

[frank stirrup]

Aight

[fossil cedar]

Thank you

[strong raft]

Nobody mentioned the extra paste on cpu

Gm 2 Ton srsly needs a grey/black gamepad, lol

[earnest olive]

looks like a pretty typical OEM paste job

[strong raft]

They're fired. Ray Charles could do a better job.

[earnest olive]

I've seen much worse

who's ray charles?

[strong raft]

https://tenor.com/view/stevie-wonder-piano-gif-5210084

Famous pianist and singer. He's blind in case you didn't get the joke

[earnest olive]

ah

[viral ore]

bro you dont know who ray charles is

crazy

[little osprey]

Bro what

Thought he was a household name

[earnest olive]

sorry I do not

[viral ore]

for reference, hes about as well known as michael jackson

[zealous edge]

ray charles?

Yea that doesn't sound familiar.

[viral ore]

mans iconic

[zealous edge]

Then why haven't we heard of him 🧐

[viral ore]

apparently you dont have an ounce of culture running through your veins

[zealous edge]

I guess that's the only reasonable explanation.

[viral ore]

although im pretty sure hes an american icon

[zealous edge]

I'm Canadian.

[viral ore]

yeah then i think that may be part of it

[earnest olive]

I don't use social media so I end up out of the loop on a lot of things

[zealous edge]

That's basically me.

[viral ore]

he was famous back in the 70s

old dude

[earnest olive]

I was not alive in the 70s

[viral ore]

neither was I

[zealous edge]

Ok that's a while ago..

[viral ore]

i mean, same with michael jackson, ya know

he got that influence to some extent

[zealous edge]

But then how do we know about Jackson and not Charles?

[viral ore]

just one of the few i suppose

[viral ore]

like, everyone ive ever talked to where his name was mentioned has known

[zealous edge]

That's just in Canada btw ^

[earnest olive]

I don't listen to american music at all if that makes any difference as well lol

[viral ore]

this is the very first time ive met someone who just hasnt heard of him, so its odd

[zealous edge]

Yea compared to jackson, he's not very well known/

[viral ore]

i literally have never heard him play the piano ever lol

[earnest olive]

what?

[earnest olive]

what does piano have to do with what I said

anyways I gotta drive home now

[viral ore]

oh i misunderstood

[earnest olive]

yeah I am a gross weeb I only listen to asian music

[zealous edge]

🚙 Drive safe

[zealous edge]

💀

[desert gulch]

You basically convicted yourself

[little osprey]

gtx 1650 super destiny 2 perf?

[desert gulch]

Is discord not social media?

[viral ore]

discord is the least social of the social medias

i suppose

[zealous edge]

Well not as traditional.

[viral ore]

i genuinely find it hard to call discord social media, considering its really closer to teamspeak, skype, and the like

[zealous edge]

Discord is definitely not one of the first things that come into mind when using the item "social media".

[zealous edge]

Agreed.

[mossy venture]

I'm 16 and know who ray Charles is

Also Micheal Jackson's music is still iconic

Love it

[viral ore]

hes got a few bangers

[zealous edge]

I've been alive 25 years on this Earth, and have no clue who he is.

[mossy venture]

Beat it, bad, what's the one song

About the woman

[desert gulch]

*james

[mossy venture]

Uhh

[desert gulch]

Hey sisters!!!!

[mossy venture]

Ew

After what he did

Can't stand him

[desert gulch]

Lol

[viral ore]

couldnt stand him before or after lmao

just a weirdo all around

[mossy venture]

Wym by that

[desert gulch]

You don't like his tutorials?

[desert gulch]

You don't think he's weird?

[mossy venture]

Eh

Hes flamboyant

[viral ore]

tbf ive only seen clips and things, not like his actual content

[desert gulch]

That's it?

[viral ore]

so ive really only seen the weird stuff

[mossy venture]

From what I've seen yeah

[desert gulch]

Hey sisters!!!!!!!!

[viral ore]

which is... really weird

and cringe

[zealous edge]

Lol.

100% agree with that statment ^

[mossy venture]

All social media people are wierd if that's what you're judging by

[viral ore]

i would say most

[zealous edge]

99% of them lol.

[mossy venture]

Which is the point

[zealous edge]

A majority*

[mossy venture]

Their personalities are exaggerated for social media

[viral ore]

i suppose

[mossy venture]

Still can't remember the name

One second

[viral ore]

lol

[mossy venture]

BILLIE JEAN

Got it

Didn't have to Google it, got it as I opened Google lol

[zealous edge]

Honestly, I'm not a big fan of michael jackson.

[mossy venture]

There's some others

Black or white

[mossy venture]

I wasn't a fan till I found out the allegations were fake

Two of the kids said their parents forced them to lie for money

[zealous edge]

I don't care about the allegations, just don't like the music.

[mossy venture]

Ah

I wouldnt listen to him till the allegatiosn were proved false

I used to listen to panic at the disco

[little osprey]

How does this have anything to do with building a pc

[mossy venture]

Until Brendon was Brendon

[mossy venture]

Yes

[viral ore]

linking an artists music with their personal life makes no sense to me

[zealous edge]

This is #general-chat didn't you notice?

[viral ore]

its a bad thing to do

[little osprey]

No it’s not

[zealous edge]

That's a fact.

[mossy venture]

I'm not going to listen to someone if they touch kids

[viral ore]

logic not following

[mossy venture]

Im not going to give someone popularity and help contribute to the money they make

[mossy venture]

Called a joke

[viral ore]

pirate their music ez

or dont look into who they are

bc thats weird

[zealous edge]

But then again, what does that, especially things not proven true, have anything to do with the sounds that they create.

[mossy venture]

Consequences of their actions

[viral ore]

they dont care about you lmao

[mossy venture]

And?

I care about them

[viral ore]

there are no consequenses

[desert gulch]

How old are you?

[zealous edge]

25 lol.

[mossy venture]

There's consequences for everything

[viral ore]

the only consequenses are being self imposed by you

[mossy venture]

How so

[viral ore]

on yourself

[desert gulch]

Meh he's not interested in you either, he prefers someone about half the age

[mossy venture]

Again

[desert gulch]

Lol

[mossy venture]

How so

[viral ore]

because youre the one depriving yourself of your ability to listen to his music

and he couldnt care less

[desert gulch]

He's dead

[viral ore]

that also

[desert gulch]

You think hes gonna care?

[mossy venture]

How can I enjoy something when I know the person who made it is a disgusting persin

[viral ore]

even if he were alive he wouldnt

[desert gulch]

Lol

[viral ore]

why would you stalk him tho

[mossy venture]

How is that stalking?

[viral ore]

thats why virtual artists exist, like miku

to prevent this sort of thing

[mossy venture]

Or

Hear me out

[viral ore]

peoples lives being ruined by obsessive fans

[mossy venture]

You could just not touch kids

Like Brendon urie

James

Jefree star

Shane Dawson had relations with his cat and look what happened to him

[viral ore]

but your reason for not listening to a song because some random dude you dont know did something you dont like?

[mossy venture]

I dont see anyone defending him by saying to separate his work from his actions

Because what he did is disgusting

[mossy venture]

Because he did something disgusting, that is inexcusable

[viral ore]

but "he" is not the same as an mp3 file

its just sound waves

stored in a digital format

and you listen and thats cool

[mossy venture]

Made by him

[desert gulch]

I listen to music by some people who did some really screwed up crap

[mossy venture]

His content is still his content

No matter how you try to separate it

[viral ore]

i still dont see why that matters

[mossy venture]

Because I cannot enjoy something made by a pedophile

[viral ore]

youre making it way too personal lol

[mossy venture]

👍

[desert gulch]

Do you have a Netflix subscription

Or watch Netflix?

[viral ore]

yeah fr, do you play roblox?

[mossy venture]

Nope

Also nope

[zealous edge]

It's all just sound waves travelling in the air. Some of those waves sound nice.

[desert gulch]

Yeah

Sassy what kind of music do you listen to?

[mossy venture]

Made by a disgusting person

[viral ore]

would you have refused to watch a movie starring johnny depp a few years ago?

oh

[mossy venture]

Listen, yall aren't going to change my mind

[viral ore]

hes in this movie

cant watch it

[mossy venture]

He never abused his wife

She abused him

[desert gulch]

As far as you know

[viral ore]

you didnt know that a few years ago

[mossy venture]

And I didn't know that there was a situation a few years ago

[viral ore]

so im saying, in 2017 would you refuse to watch a movie starring him

[mossy venture]

Because I don't pay attention to actors

[desert gulch]

Obviously you do

[mossy venture]

Hell three years ago I barely had access to the internet

[viral ore]

then stop paying attention to artists that make music?

[mossy venture]

Notice how i said actors

I barely watch movies or tv

[desert gulch]

You talked about Johnny depp

[mossy venture]

So actors don't affect me

[desert gulch]

You knew about thay

[viral ore]

doesnt change the fact that he could have done those things

[mossy venture]

Because it's been all over social media?

[desert gulch]

Then you paid attention

Yo sassy btw what type of music you listen to?

[viral ore]

literally, whatever i like the sound of

if it sound good i listen

regardless of genre or artist

[desert gulch]

Any genres in particular?

Oh

Waiting for bacca to listen to rap someday

A good portion of those songs are based off some real messed up stuff that's happened

But if the beat good, we boppin

[viral ore]

truee

[desert gulch]

You ever listen to NF?

[viral ore]

not a huge fan of rap, doesnt really tickle my ear drums very often, but i do have a few rap songs on some playlists

nf

idk

whats the full name

[desert gulch]

Nf is his artist name

[viral ore]

oh then no

[desert gulch]

It's abbreviation for his full name

Honestly his stuff hits hard

[viral ore]

full disclosure i think i dislike indie rap the most lol

[desert gulch]

He's one of the rappers who does rap about typical... Rapper stuff

[viral ore]

oh that might be interesting

[desert gulch]

Like drugs and blank and stuff

Yeah

He mostly raps about his childhood he had and stuff

Really messed up early life tbh

[viral ore]

oh damn he kinda big

[desert gulch]

Yeah

"let you go" is one of his biggest songs iirc

[viral ore]

bruh ive heard this song on the radio

[desert gulch]

If not the biggest

Yeah

I've got a playlist for work when sitting in the truck or out in the field

I've got a few of his songs in there too

[viral ore]

most rap doesnt have enough instruments imo, which is a huge drawback for me

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[viral ore]

like, percussion and a piano is cool, but wheres the rest of it

[desert gulch]

"clouds" by him also has a ton of background instruments

Most of his tracks do tbh

His beats p catchy aswell

[little osprey]

lil durk best rapper, change my mind

[earnest olive]

it's certainly more social media-like than a pure chat app

but I would definitely not call it social media

[median ingot]

hello

Im trying to build a lga 1700 itx.. with i9. Im planning to use a sligger 520 build

https://newegg.io/385dc32

[mossy venture]

Ddr5 is useless

A good 3600c16 kit beats it

I'd try to build a list but I have not looked at 12th gen boards

[median ingot]

i know.. but i have no choice. ddr4 for this mini itx is unavailable unfortunately

[mossy venture]

Are there no other mitx boards?

[median ingot]

and i cant seem to find a cooler for the mobo

nope all sold out

[mossy venture]

Youd definitely need an aio, I haven't seen Temps but if the 12900 runs cool I'm a donkeys uncle

That's not the saying is it

[median ingot]

the weird thing about the lga 1700 is that the mobo doesnt have good clearance for most of the low profile… cooling

[mossy venture]

Anyways

Why are you going mitx with a 12th gen i9?

Do you need a mini pc?

[median ingot]

i do allot of cad

yeah im planning to build a mobile heavy desktop replacement

[little osprey]

wdym ddr4 is unavailable

[median ingot]

ddr4 mobo itx

[mossy venture]

The boards

Not the ram

[little osprey]

oh

Ddr4 boards for the chipset

[median ingot]

so i have no choice but to get the ddr5

[mossy venture]

I'd wait till someone else comes to give an opinion, but personally I'd wait to find a board in stock rather than pay 450$ for bad ram

[median ingot]

idk i think the cooling is problematic

[mossy venture]

Most likely

[median ingot]

https://newegg.io/a6ebbd1

[mossy venture]

You'll need atleast a 240mm for that cpu, or a chonky heatsink that probably won't fit in it

[median ingot]

i added the nh-l 65

[mossy venture]

Also can you use pcp?

It's much easier and might show you better prices

[median ingot]

ok ill switch to pcp

[mossy venture]

...1300$ for a 12900k

Please don't pay that

Not to mention 1200$ for a 3070

Also do you have to go with intel?

5800x3d coming out soon, also 5950x is 12900ks equivelant I believe

If you can't find a ddr4 board for 12th gen, it would be more cost efficient to go for amd

[median ingot]

i cant i need to build a pc by the end of the month i do heavy cads

pcpp doesnt have the mobo listed.

the correct mobo i ment

https://newegg.io/a6ebbd1

here is the update

[mossy venture]

And why can't you use amd?

[median ingot]

sorry had to correct it

well the i9 is already available

[mossy venture]

So is 5950x

[median ingot]

also idk if theres any amd mini itx board

[mossy venture]

There definitely is

I have one myself

Not one I'd run a 5950x on, but they definitely exist

[median ingot]

woops

[mossy venture]

I'd teccomend waiting for pato or rawr to wake up, but I can throw together a quick list as a general idea

[median ingot]

idk i like the new intel i9

[mossy venture]

You're willing to spend an extra 1k for it?

[median ingot]

wait whats similar to the i9 12900k?

[mossy venture]

5950x

[desert gulch]

5950x

but its worse in most things

[mossy venture]

Between the mobo, ram, and that cpu price

[mossy venture]

Not by far

[desert gulch]

still worse

watch the gn review

in some things it was close, in others it was 10-15%

[median ingot]

yes it was 10-15%

i agree

hnmmm

@mossy venture u talkinga bout bad intel ram and mobo.. ?

wait why is 5950x worst in most things?

[mossy venture]

Imo you should either wait to find a reasonable ddr4 mobo, and a reasonably priced 12900k, or go for amd

[mossy venture]

Because it's just not as good apparently

[median ingot]

yeah 15%

not much of an improvement

can u help me build a sligger 520 pc?

amd ofcourse

[mossy venture]

I can try but I'm not amazing with parts lists

Give me a few min

[median ingot]

🙂

also ill be using the sligger 520

its like the sentry 2.0

[mossy venture]

Apparently pcp doesn't have the sligger

Bruh

Is the sentry the same size?

[median ingot]

hmmm

[mossy venture]

I want to make sure everything is compatible

[median ingot]

sentry is more thinner

and they dont sell sentry anymore

[mossy venture]

It'll do for now

If I can find it

[median ingot]

only the sligger 520

here ill give u the spec give me a moment

[mossy venture]

Nope

Not there

[median ingot]

ohh wait

btw thanks u save me from buying an i9 XD

lol

umm

i cant upload pics

but if u go to sligger website its under 520

[mossy venture]

It's still an option if you can find a decent motherboard

So you don't have to spent 450$ on ram

[median ingot]

idk i think ill go with threadripper

Mini-ITX (170mm × 170 mm)
Not compatible with Mini-DTX boards such as the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Impact AM4

i mean if its only 15% improvement

thats the size maximum for the mobo

[mossy venture]

Sff builds are odd, id wait for pato or rawr to build a list tokmorow, I dont want to make you a list that won't work properly

I also don't know any good 850w+ psus

[median ingot]

evga sfx

850 gold

[mossy venture]

Which would be a good idea for you to have

From what I've seen evga tends to be a tad overpriced compared to some other options

[median ingot]

hmmm

[mossy venture]

Rmx 850 might be an option but I think the sale on that ended

[median ingot]

are they going to be here tomorrow? i kinda need the build.. bc of my work.. i do lots of prototyping and cad..

[mossy venture]

Yeah they're on every day pretty much

If not there's others who can help better than I can

[median ingot]

thanks ill check back tomorrow

was also wondering..

are they releasinga new thread ripper u mention theres a releae

[mossy venture]

There's a new 5800xt that's being released

It will most likely have a better single core than the 12900k, but will lose in multi core

Since afaik it will be an 8 core cpu

[median ingot]

oohh

ill stick to the threadripper

ummm

im an intel guy.. lol.. sorry to say this.. but i never use amd..

whats the itx for amd?

what do they call it?

coz idk what socket to get

170mm by 170mm mobo

[mossy venture]

Same thing

Itx is form factor

Itx or atx is universal

[median ingot]

wish i can get a 32core amd

when i render in keyshot it took me 15 days for a 4k..

and its only a 2 minute clip lol

but i dindt finish i stoped after 1.5 day

[mossy venture]

Whats your current cpu?

[median ingot]

it was the work office .. its zenon something

xenon

i forgot

it has multiple cores like 32 maybe not sure

thats when i gave up.. but not after i return my razer laptop..

[earnest olive]

if you are going to be doing heavy 4K rendering with a 12900K, I don't think mini itx coolers are going to cut it

[median ingot]

razer laptop finally made me decide to build and make my own mobile desk replacement.

[earnest olive]

people are struggling to keep those cool with 360mm aios at stock

strongly suggest getting a larger itx case such as an nr200p or meshilicious that can support larger coolers or aios

[median ingot]

orange i think ill stick with the threadripper 5950x .. 15% per difference

[earnest olive]

I understand the need for portability but there's really a minimum cooling requirement

[desert gulch]

5950x isnt threadripper

its just a normal desktop cpu

[earnest olive]

5950x is going to be similarly difficult to cool

[median ingot]

hmm

[earnest olive]

wouldn't recommend going anything lower than an nh-d15 or good 240mm aio, and even then you will need to undervolt it

[strong raft]

Is there no non-K 12900 easily available? $1k+ sure is spendy vs the "slower" 12700(F) at $330ish. Sounds like extreme edition tax all over again.

[earnest olive]

my 5800x easily thermal throttles under a 360mm aio if I push it hard enough

[desert gulch]

probably

[earnest olive]

in a full tower with 9 fans

[desert gulch]

yeah tuned a 12900k and 5950x will both pull over 250 watts ez

[median ingot]

idk i think ill use a 5950x since i9 .. 15% diff… also i would not have trouble with low profile cooling .

[earnest olive]

that's absolutely false

[desert gulch]

its still gonna run hot

high end chips need space for a decent cooler

[earnest olive]

.

you can't cool top tier chips with bottom tier cooling

the laws of physics will not allow it

[median ingot]

my case is the cl 520.. like the sentry.. i saw the video someone did a sentry build.. using low profile..

i ment low profile cooling

im not planning to oc it

[earnest olive]

gaming and 4K CPU rendering are different workloads

you will need to power limit it as well if you want it to work in that case

and then you're losing performance

[median ingot]

hmm

by how much?

if its 10% its ok

i dont do gaming only cads .. catia.. vr .. keyshot ect

im planning to also get a 13 in monitor.. and attaching it to the case

bc im going to use varjo vr for desktop screen

[simple olive]

A Quadro gpu might help alot

[median ingot]

main screen

[simple olive]

If going for rendering

[median ingot]

i saw the 5000.. but the rtx has rat tracing

ray*

[simple olive]

Quadro has RTX too :)

[median ingot]

5000? no they dont

i checked the specs on it

sadly

i wonder whats the normal price for the 3090…

like retail.. not inflated

[simple olive]

It has rtx in the name though

[median ingot]

its not real tracing like the 30 series

[simple olive]

Fair, it's equivalent to the 20 series raytracing

[median ingot]

theres a noticeable difference in graphics i believe but not sure

hmmm

[earnest olive]

with a cooler like that i'd expect more than 10% performance loss; but I'd also like to point out that the cooler you selected is too tall for the case you mentioned

sliger cl520 supports 53mm coolers, NH-L9x65 is 65mm tall

[median ingot]

ohh.. yes ur right its too tall thts why im replacing the fan to 120mm the slim ones

or i could go with the black?

[earnest olive]

well.. that would make cooling performance even lower

[median ingot]

Noctua L9i/L9a (can be used with 92mm x 25mm fan)
AMD Wraith Stealth (54mm, pushes on inside of the cover but not significantly)
ID-COOLING IS-47k (47mm)
Cooltek LP53
Alpenföhn® Black Ridge
Intel Boxed Cooler
Cryorig C7 CU
Cryorig C7
Cooltek ITX30
Phanteks PH-TC90LS
RAIJINTEK Zelos
Silverstone AR05
Silverstone AR11
ThermalTake Engine 27

[earnest olive]

the product listing already recommends no more than a ryzen 5 5600x

[median ingot]

ohh.. 😦

[earnest olive]

strongly recommend just finding a different case

this case is not designed for your intended usage

[median ingot]

what about a cl530? it has 3.6

and i think i can use an aio on that cl530 case

[earnest olive]

it's made for pushing the limits of portability in midrange gaming, not for heavy 16 core rendering

[celest horizon]

I would go with an ice giant if you want to cool 300+ watts on air

[earnest olive]

i don't think an ice giant is going to fit in a case with 53mm clearance

[celest horizon]

lol

[earnest olive]

that thing is TALL

[celest horizon]

Pick up a dremel + cutting wheel as well then 🙂

[median ingot]

aio then? on the cl530?

[desert gulch]

LHe time?

[earnest olive]

lol

just have the cooler sticking out the side

[earnest olive]

i don't see any radiator support listed here

it's only 75mm wide as well

don't think aios will fit in this

[median ingot]

wait give me a sec

i think i saw a video.. that they manage to put an aio on the cl530

[earnest olive]

what size? 120mm or 140mm will not be enough

240mm is already really pushing it

[median ingot]

nvm… ur right not an aio

[celest horizon]

What cpu are you going with?

[earnest olive]

i'm assuming you aren't willing to go up to 14.67 liters? lol

he wants a 5950x or i9-12900K for all core rendering

[median ingot]

im willing

but that 14 litter case its not available i think

[earnest olive]

https://www.newegg.com/black-ssupd-meshlicious-mini-itx/p/2AM-030R-00006 maybe consider this one then

[celest horizon]

Purely a render box? Budget? because a 3970x can do 4.0 all core under 250w

[earnest olive]

this case will allow you to handle cooling those cpus

but depending on your gpu may need to fork over more for a pcie 4.0 riser

[median ingot]

hmmm idk i like the console idea

[earnest olive]

i mean sure but it's simply not feasible for what you want to do with it

[median ingot]

hmm

[earnest olive]

that case is designed for someone gaming on an i5 drawing 60 watts on the cpu

[celest horizon]

Decent 4.0 riser is ~$80, not terrible ime

[earnest olive]

yeah

it's not a dealbreaker just thought it should be mentioned since i linked the 3.0 version

[celest horizon]

I love how jay tested a 10 foot long riser chain

[median ingot]

btw where did u see the limit ryzen 4 ? is it on the sligger home page?

[earnest olive]

the cooler you linked

[median ingot]

the product listing already recommends no more than a ryzen 5 5600x .

where fid u see this?

[earnest olive]

don't get too excited by the mentioning of the 12900 or 12700, it's talking about at the stock power limit where you'd be losing maybe 30% or more performance compared to the benchmarks you might've seen

https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nh-l9x65/p/N82E16835608071

[strong raft]

Yep, aka not the K model that is generally 120+ watts vs 65ish on the nonK cpus

[earnest olive]

even on non-K they will blast past 200W if you let them

[strong raft]

Ah, gotta adjust the PL in bios huh. Yikes

[earnest olive]

in this context it's obviously expecting you to actually run 65W

ain't no way this thing is sustaining 250W lol

[median ingot]

for that low profile…

[vagrant olive]

yall got any recommendations for a b550 mobo? approx $200 or less. doesnt have to be anything super fancy but i dont want to cheap out too hard

[earnest olive]

any specific features you want

[vagrant olive]

not that i can think of, all i really need is like 4 or 5 usb ports on the back io

[median ingot]

hey orange thanks.. i also returned my razer 4k oled.. bc of the low tgpu

[earnest olive]

what cpu do you intend to run with it?

[vagrant olive]

5600x, im just replacing a dead mobo thats out of warranty

[earnest olive]

np, always glad to help

razer laptops are always like 100w or less

[vagrant olive]

oh if possible usb c internal header but its not super important

[median ingot]

well theres the clevo

[earnest olive]

msi b550m pro-vdh is perfect

[median ingot]

clevo 170km-g use desktop i9

[earnest olive]

seems like only the wifi version is in stock

has an internal usb-c header, and there's the rear i/o

will have zero issue powering a 5600x

[vagrant olive]

ah yeah idk how i forgot i do want wifi on it

so thats good

[earnest olive]

well

this has wifi so my recommendation is not changing

currently $108 on amazon if you can afford to wait for it to come back in stock

in stock for $122 on newegg

[vagrant olive]

probably a dumb question but i forgot how some things work, thats fine for a 3070 ti right

[earnest olive]

yes, you can run a 3070ti on motherboards from the 1990s

[vagrant olive]

lol

[earnest olive]

gpu compatibility is rarely a concern with motherboards

AMD has decided to make it a thing again with the new 6500xt by making it useless on any motherboard that doesn't have pcie 4.0 though

which sucks because the card is targetted at the budget segment which is the most likely to still be running pcie 3.0...

[vagrant olive]

aw that sucks

[still roost]

jackson#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[vagrant olive]

i stopped paying attention to gpu stuff around the 6600xt i think

[earnest olive]

the problem is that the 6500xt has the same number of pcie lanes as an SSD lol

so it's seriously bandwidth starved even on its intended pcie 4.0 x4 configuration

but if you run it on pcie 3.0 x4 lord help you

[median ingot]

orange ok.. how about an itx.. case recommendation for the 5950x with aio? like the ncase

[earnest olive]

i'm still going with the SSUPD meshilicious

[median ingot]

i want to be able to put it in my packpack

[earnest olive]

14.67 liter, 280mm aio support

okay not sure if this will fit in a backpack

14.17" x 6.55" x 9.65"

[median ingot]

brb going to find some mini itx case

whats wrong with cases like ncase or dan?

[strong raft]

Where was the pic haha. I'd say it'll fit in an average pack.

[median ingot]

hmm brb

[strong raft]

What's not wrong with orange's suggestion is decent temps

[earnest olive]

you have to understand that most ultra-SFF builders are not pushing as much CPU power as you want to

you need to have a certain amount of cooling mass available

that just doesn't fit in console sized cases

[little osprey]

It does on custom sff

That heat pipe all over

[earnest olive]

4K rendering for 15 hours straight on a 12900K/5950X basically represents the worst possible use case for thermals

[earnest olive]

we are talking about 3 liter cases

practically soda bottle sized

[little osprey]

You just need to cool cpu

And have a lot of vent for gpu

And a sweet platinum sff psu

[earnest olive]

what cooler is under 53mm and can handle 250W sustained cpu load?

[vagrant olive]

what is asus’s aura rgb header

like is it 12v or 5v i cannot figure out

[little osprey]

https://www.dan-cases.com/dana4.php

whatever that hsf is

[earnest olive]

4-pin is 12V, 3-pin is 5V

i believe they call the 5V header addressable

[vagrant olive]

“addressable gen 2 header”

i assume thats it

[earnest olive]

yep

[vagrant olive]

hmm do i spend an extra $100 for fancier looking? this is a question i already know the correct answer to yet i will likely ignore that

[earnest olive]

you might be able to run a 5600x in this

but not higher

[earnest olive]

i mean, it's your money and your happiness

make that decision for yourself

i spent a ton of money making my pc look nice

i'm happy every time i look at it

i don't feel like it was a waste

your PC is by no means low-end, as long as you're not sacrificing performance on a tight budget

[little osprey]

I got a windowless fractal

And keep the top lid on

It’s a black rectangle

[earnest olive]

once built a PC for a customer that made it clear that they wanted multiple ARGB fans, ARGB strips, and tempered glass no matter what

[median ingot]

the salvo 402 is able to use an aio 120mm.

[earnest olive]

on an extremely tight budget

[median ingot]

salvo 402 case

[earnest olive]

i told them

you have the budget for a graphics card or RGB

pick one

they chose RGB

[little osprey]

$900 case, celeron

[earnest olive]

so i had to build them a pc with plenty of RGB and an i3-10100 with integrated graphics

it hurt me, but they were happy

[earnest olive]

120mm aio is not enough for your use case

240mm is already pushing it

[little osprey]

240 is like what

225w

Maybe 250

[median ingot]

but im not planning to oc it

[little osprey]

200 really with standard asetek

[earnest olive]

i'm sorry to say but you must lower either your performance expectation or your portability expectation

can't have both

[median ingot]

whats the minimum cooling i need to get for the 5950x

[earnest olive]

doesn't matter, unless you also want to severely power limit it

240mm

[little osprey]

It will run stock clocks it just won’t turbo much

[earnest olive]

and you will already need to undervolt and power limit to run on 240mm

[median ingot]

😦 ohh

[little osprey]

might just disable HT/IGP and Turbo

[earnest olive]

on the air cooling side something NH-D15 level is good enough, but you're more likely to find a case that supports 240mm aio than an air cooler that large

[earnest olive]

it's for 4K all-core rendering, not gaming

that's a massive performance loss if he does that

which is what i've been trying to say

[little osprey]

oh yeah then

You want a lower tdp multicore

Not a K

You can prob do more slower cores for less power and render faster

[median ingot]

i agree with orange

im sticking with what orange recommend the 240mm ..

but i need a mini itx case

[earnest olive]

14.67L is the smallest case i know of that will comfortably cool a 5950x

[median ingot]

bc im always moving around

hmmm

[earnest olive]

14.17" x 6.55" x 9.65"

dunno if that fits in a backpack

[median ingot]

i dont think so..

can u recommend me a mini itx mobo for the 5950

[errant fiber]

that'll be expensive

[median ingot]

trying to make list on the pcpp

5950x i ment

[earnest olive]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550i-aorus-pro-ax/p/N82E16813145222 this one should do alright

8 90A phases and you won't be pushing overclocks

[median ingot]

is that a good one? ots back ordered though.. trying to build a pc that i can get this week

next week i ment

[earnest olive]

my bad did not catch that

[median ingot]

no sorry i didnt mentioned it 🙂

[simple olive]

Asrock B550i has good VRMs too

[earnest olive]

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B089FWWN62

same board available with prime for a few bucks more

[strong raft]

NgL I wish I shopped better for a windowless case, but I could always spend a dumb $19 on a solid panel from Phanteks, if the glass broke or something.

[simple olive]

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B089VRZ6JX

Another option also 8 90A phases

[median ingot]

im confuse which mobo lol? fleymi or orange?

[little osprey]

Auorus

[median ingot]

ok

[earnest olive]

both are good boards

[strong raft]

I hope your prime order allows quick shipping than mine is doing lately. More than a week

[simple olive]

My luck when I ordered my parts in December

[earnest olive]

@median ingot the reason why i chose the aorus mobo over the asrock

[simple olive]

I got them now thou

[earnest olive]

is because the asrock mobo's wifi antenna is one of these

while the wifi antennas with the aorus board screw onto the board, which should be better for portability

[median ingot]

orange what ram do i need? i need a fast ine and i think i can do a 64 gb

[earnest olive]

it's not a big issue anyways, especially since you can replace wifi antennas

one major advantage the asrock board has over the aorus board is internal usb-c

[median ingot]

im using cad catia keyshot .. and i have many of them open

[earnest olive]

so if you get a case with a usb-c port you'll want the asrock board

[simple olive]

2x32GB due to itx board only having 2 slots

[simple olive]

That's why I got it :)

[median ingot]

🙂

any specific kind?

[desert gulch]

Not corsair

[errant fiber]

ballistix

[median ingot]

ok i wont get corsair

[errant fiber]

bawwistwix

[desert gulch]

Yeah ballistix is nice

[simple olive]

Idk if this company is still good but I was able to get some ddr3 vipers OCed up to 2133 from 1600 https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08N688HCH/

[strong raft]

Some G.Skill is a fine pick as well.

[desert gulch]

Yeah

Also stay away from lower end team ram

Horribly binned

It kinda depends aswell if you need low clearance ram and stuff

[errant fiber]

patriot is always bdie right?

i saw some patriot 2x8 4400cl18 for $87 today

bdie too

[simple olive]

Wow

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sxptxc here's what i would do for a 5950x ITX system, minus graphics card

[earnest olive]

no

[errant fiber]

why the 280 evga when arctic 280 is cheaper

[median ingot]

orange ! thank you!111

[simple olive]

Because evga is better quality

[errant fiber]

Hmmm

Idk about that

I've owned both

[simple olive]

Fair I only know EVGA gpus

[earnest olive]

i'm seeing the arctic $35 more expensive and i have some concerns about clearance with that vrm fan

[errant fiber]

The arctic is super quiet and i picked up mine with rgb for $128

[desert gulch]

Do you see how thicc the lf2 is?

[errant fiber]

ah i understand if it's about clearance

[desert gulch]

It's not slim at all

[earnest olive]

not sure if it will fit

[errant fiber]

forgot about that

yeah i doubt

that thing is FAT

barely fit in my 4000d

[earnest olive]

CLC 280 is a good cooler anyways and shouldn't pose any clearance issues

normal square shaped block

[errant fiber]

yeah

it's a good cooler

100%

[simple olive]

Meshelishous is a beautiful case

[errant fiber]

i like the h1

a lot

😭

[earnest olive]

np, glad to help

[simple olive]

I use the NR200 since I love how it lets you use air coolers easily

[median ingot]

orange why a 650 watt?

[desert gulch]

No need for more

[earnest olive]

well, i don't know what graphics card you plan to put in

[median ingot]

ohh i havent decid on the gpu

[earnest olive]

could change that based on the gpu

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

the meshilicious supports ATX PSU up to 170mm

so plenty of options

[median ingot]

hmmm

3090

[desert gulch]

Plus try to get a gpu first for this build

[earnest olive]

yeah i'd go up a bit for a 3090

[errant fiber]

does the o11 support 2 psu's incase someone decides to put 2 3090's?

[earnest olive]

yes

[errant fiber]

oh...

[simple olive]

Kap was going workstation gpu right?

[desert gulch]

If you don't get gpu and get everything else first, you won't actually know if it works

[median ingot]

whats the normal price on 3090 microcenter i think offer retail price

[desert gulch]

So please get a gpu first

3090 MSRP is 1500 and up

Depends on model tho

[median ingot]

microcenter offer virtual line.. if they have new shipment

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v8DBgt would do this psu for a 3090

[desert gulch]

Revo df may be cheaper rn, iirc it was

[earnest olive]

negative

$20 more

lol

[desert gulch]

Rip

Lol

4.7 impressive

[earnest olive]

my new bitfenix psu makes an interesting clanging sound when it shuts off

[median ingot]

where can i get a 3090 for that price lol

[desert gulch]

Best buy sometimes

Either camp out a designated night or try to grab one on their online drop

[errant fiber]

offerup

[median ingot]

the reason is i mostly render on gpu

ray tracing

[errant fiber]

oh so you'd be utilizing the 24gb

[median ingot]

yeah

i dont like waiting 3 days to render in keyshot lol

if not ill get the 3070 ?

😦

[errant fiber]

3080 is the basically the best card of this generation

[median ingot]

if 5000 offer real ..ray trace i would

[errant fiber]

for money/perf

[earnest olive]

consider a used 2080ti as a "value" option if you can't secure a better card

[errant fiber]

yeah

2080 ti even

[earnest olive]

11gb vram and rtx for ~$1000

[simple olive]

Mhm

[median ingot]

2080ti?

[earnest olive]

would prefer 2080ti over 3070 for productivity purposes

[simple olive]

It's the highest 2000 series gpu

[median ingot]

hmm

[earnest olive]

performs similarly to 3070 in most aspects

but it's got 11gb vram

your workload may find 8gb vram to be a limiting factor

[median ingot]

3070 have lower @simple olive ?

[earnest olive]

3070 has 8gb

[median ingot]

hmmm

ray trace not the same i think

[simple olive]

U asking about raytracing?

[median ingot]

yep

[simple olive]

2080Ti vs 3070 hmmm idk

[earnest olive]

you'd have to do a bit more research for RTX performance in your specific workload, but it's something to consider

[median ingot]

thats why i didnt get the 5000 series

hmm

[earnest olive]

let's face it, in this market it's better to have some options

[median ingot]

well i saved allot of money lol better than the i9

hmm

[strong raft]

12900K is a solid $100 more than the KF model anyways, or something like that.

[median ingot]

but almost same as 5950x in perf

15%

[earnest olive]

man, i missed being on my big desktop setup

spent the last 2 weeks using my laptop at my gf's place

[median ingot]

get a clevo 170km-g desktop replacement i9k

[earnest olive]

my laptop has more than enough performance for me

[simple olive]

How is the RX 6800 XT Ray tracing vs a 3070?

[earnest olive]

but it doesn't have two big screens

[earnest olive]

radeon should practically never be considered for productivity

CUDA is just way too much better

[median ingot]

@simple olive i only know 3070 vs 5000

[simple olive]

Kk I'm just starting in blender sooo very entry level

[median ingot]

i use s olid work and keyshot

[earnest olive]

it's like back when the latest and greatest were i9-9900K and R9 3950X; both did well in gaming but you'd be foolish to pick the 9900K for pure multicore workloads

[median ingot]

sometimes blender.. blender has a cinematic.. less realism then keyshot

[earnest olive]

even if it was better in gaming

[median ingot]

agree orange

i agree*

[earnest olive]

also, as far as ray tracing goes, 3070 often beats 6900xt i believe

[median ingot]

i rather have multicore

[errant fiber]

atleast you get to be with her for 2 weeks

long distance sucks

</3

[earnest olive]

yeah

[errant fiber]

been doing it for a solid year and 2 months

[earnest olive]

i mean i'd still rather be there instead of being forced to get covid at school

and i love my laptop

but man

[median ingot]

3090.. for $2.5k omg

[errant fiber]

kingpin?

[earnest olive]

going from single 15" 1080p monitor to 27" 1440p + 24" 1080p

can't compare

[errant fiber]

LOL

[simple olive]

Oh definitely

[median ingot]

@errant fiber founder

[simple olive]

The 15" has high ppi thou

[earnest olive]

everything is huge

[errant fiber]

hard pass

[earnest olive]

i've seen some 3090 FEs getting listed as low as 2000 now

gpu prices are starting to fall

[median ingot]

@earnest olive im going to use my varjo vr for my screen replacement

[errant fiber]

beautiful

i saw a kingpin for 2.8 the other day

[earnest olive]

it probably won't last

i saw a kingpin for 2.6 today

[errant fiber]

got bought out pretty quick

[earnest olive]

would have bought it if i was local

[errant fiber]

woooo

they're definitely dropping

sweet hope

[median ingot]

but retail price is 1.5k on 3090?

[earnest olive]

it is unlikely to last

[strong raft]

Sometimes not worth it. Rather have a big screen that's average ppi.

[earnest olive]

it's because of the recent crypto crash

if crypto goes back up so will gpus

[median ingot]

i hope crypto crash lol

[simple olive]

Miners flood the market plz I'm okay if I need to swap thermal pads and fans

[earnest olive]

inb4 people start scalping replacement gpu fans

[median ingot]

my workplace ppl wait 3 days to render a 5 min clip on keyshot lol

[simple olive]

Don't even joke about that

[earnest olive]

who said it was a joke

[median ingot]

i could use a 3090

[errant fiber]

isn't crypto gonna get destroyed this year when it comes to mining?

i forget

i'm probs wrong

[simple olive]

Etherium was gonna stop mining "any day now" for the last 2 years

[earnest olive]

eth 2.0 is scheduled for like july

but who knows if it'll just get pushed back again lmao

[errant fiber]

probs will

i already got used to current prices

[earnest olive]

i don't need an upgrade for a while

[errant fiber]

yup

[earnest olive]

i am being forced to change my pfp

[errant fiber]

NOOO

WHY

[simple olive]

Ikr I still can't imagine that I got my gpu for $160 like 4 months before crash, I wish I went for a 2060 super though

[earnest olive]

friend group wants to match themed pfps LOL

[errant fiber]

oh that stuff is cool

i match with gf

depends on the pfp tho

[earnest olive]

my gf said i will be exiled if i do not change from orange mushroom 😔

[simple olive]

What's it gonna be 👀

[errant fiber]

i'm curious too..

i guess we're about to find out

[earnest olive]

idk everyone is a cat with a spike collar LOL

[errant fiber]

HMMM

IDK BRO

[simple olive]

Kinda sus

[errant fiber]

THATS KINDA INTERESTING..

[simple olive]

I like my ice cream bird pfp

[earnest olive]

did you just call torchic a bird

[errant fiber]

i sorta miss when i didn't have to match pfps with my gf

LOL

[earnest olive]

i mean yes torchic is a bird

[simple olive]

I mean it's a chicken so yes

[earnest olive]

but that's torchic not just any bird smh

[simple olive]

Yea ik

[earnest olive]

good i was getting ready to fight you

[simple olive]

Was my first starter

[earnest olive]

same

[errant fiber]

i'm gonna miss orange mushroom

[earnest olive]

me too

[errant fiber]

press x to respawn

[simple olive]

Are we all changing pfp?

[earnest olive]

hopefully it's temporary cause i like orange mushroom

[errant fiber]

probably

if it's a group thing

that stuff only lasts max a week

MAX

[earnest olive]

sad

[errant fiber]

LMAOOO

[earnest olive]

i can no longer use orange mushroom emotes

[errant fiber]

lemme see the other ones

the

other pfps

that they're using

[simple olive]

Wow it's a cat

[earnest olive]

[simple olive]

I saw a 3070 Ti in a store for $1k was that a good deal?

[earnest olive]

depends on model and whether or not that includes tax

[simple olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500101029157797899/932889942298857482/20210803_125223.jpg

Sadly I left the store after taking the pic

[earnest olive]

meh

prob doesn't include tax

[errant fiber]

what's that model

[earnest olive]

you can get cheaper from scalpers

[errant fiber]

i've literally never seen that model in my life

[simple olive]

That's what I figured

[simple olive]

Office Max lol

[strong raft]

Ya think? That's CA for ya. $1075ish ftw.

[earnest olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardwareswap/comments/s6ate7/usama_h_bnib_3070ti_ftw3_ultra_w_local_cash/ local but this is $950 cash for a 3070ti ftw3 ultra

no tax

[strong raft]

fail

[errant fiber]

good model

[simple olive]

I think I'm just gonna wait it out, I can limp for another year

[strong raft]

Good price for that bnib one though

[errant fiber]

1650s is decent

[simple olive]

Then try for a 7x00 or 40x0 gpu

[errant fiber]

is the 980ti better than the 1650s

[simple olive]

Depending on game, it's basically a tie though

[errant fiber]

interesting

[simple olive]

6gb vram vs 4gb

[errant fiber]

1650 has 4?

[simple olive]

All 1650 varieties have 4gb yee

[errant fiber]

ngl id upg to the 980 ti just for the extra vram

and they can be found for like $250

but idk how much power they take

[earnest olive]

not true

[errant fiber]

if i remember correctly they're monsters

[simple olive]

Do some have 2gb?

[earnest olive]

what about this 1650? 😳

[errant fiber]

you can easily sell ur 1650s for the 980ti ngl

LOL

[simple olive]

Lolol

[errant fiber]

i miss when gpus has cool designs like that

[simple olive]

Cyborg gpu

[errant fiber]

but it's just yeston now that does it

i think

idk

[simple olive]

There is Yeston anime and fragrance cards

[obsidian wigeon]

faster than gtx 1650

[earnest olive]

i think you and i might have different definitions of cool design

[errant fiber]

waifu.

on gpu.

[earnest olive]

definitely prefer the design of my vision over that

[errant fiber]

= cool design

OH YEAH

100%