building-and-recc-chat

[runic flare]

Thanks man appreciate it @fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

No problem

[limber oyster]

Redid my power supply, OS Drive, and my cable management. Pics posted

Welp PSU no workie

[stuck crane]

what’s a good am4 micro atx motherboard for around $100

[rugged sparrow]

Is the ASUS Rog Strix B450 F Gaming II, Cooler Master MasterLiquid 240, and Corsair iCUE 4000x good?

[limber oyster]

Personally, I like the enermax liquimax III 360mm AIO

I run it with my Ryzen 7 3700x OC to 4.25 ghz

Temps rarely get above 60°

[errant fiber]

@wheat coral has a 4000x and loves it

[rugged sparrow]

Ya I got a prebuilt with a ryzen 7 5800x and the only problem is cooling which I need a different motherboard since I don’t think the one I have has an AIO header and not enough space in the case

I was thinking about getting the cooler master or the Arctic Freezer

[wheat coral]

sup

arctic is going to be better

CM is cheaper though

[limber oyster]

My enermax was like $80 for a 360

Fits perfect into the front of the 4000D or X

[rugged sparrow]

@wheat coral I mean is CM gonna be able to cool the R7 5800x

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

Then I’ll prob just get the CM when I upgrade

Is the case and mobo I selected good?

[wheat coral]

yeah

maybe go b550

but yeah

[fossil cedar]

i would not get cooler master, they have a history of leaking

[potent portal]

One of these probably
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/96gQzy,g6vqqs,X3wypg/

[fossil cedar]

id go with the prime out of those

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VpLwrH/asus-prime-b550m-acsm-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b550m-acsm actually id get this for 7$ extra

[rugged sparrow]

So I should go Arctic freezer or is there a better one for less money

[desert gulch]

Liquid freezer ii is basically the best value

One of the best aios for ryzen

Not the best, but pretty close

[fossil cedar]

the best for ryzen

[desert gulch]

One of

Unless you do noise normalized stuff

[fossil cedar]

offset mount makes best iirc

[desert gulch]

Ek elite did better in all out perf

Cause of 6 fans

[fossil cedar]

thats stupid price

280 for the 360

[desert gulch]

Yeah but in all out perf it's still first

And cable management is kinda a nightmare

[fossil cedar]

not really lf2 has a 420mm sooo

[desert gulch]

1 pump cable, 6 fans cables, 6 rgb cables

[desert gulch]

It even beat the 420

Look at gn review of ek elite

Only thing lf2 won in perf wise was noise normalized

Since 6 fans is kinda hard to keep super quiet compared to 3 fans

[fossil cedar]

ahh

[fossil cedar]

and price lol

[desert gulch]

Yeah that's why I said perf wise lol

Price is kinda insane

But atleast you get a hub with it iirc

So that's noise normalized above

But yeah at full %100 ek elite brute forces it's way to 1st

[fossil cedar]

lf2 needs no hub iirc 😎

[desert gulch]

Yeah cause you can only get 3 fans with it

And with how they make it

I do like that alot too, for simplicity

Running cables down tube sleeves is a nice touch

[potent portal]

Especially ek fans, when those things go 100% you better have headphones

[rugged sparrow]

My prebuilt arrived yesterday, and the mother board isn’t the best, but that was expected and that I just need a better cooler and then I have my pc almost perfect

[keen agate]

I think I’m buying this with 2 upgrades

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/ConfigureView?langId=-1&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&catEntryId=3074457345619965322&urlLangId=&quantity=1

512GB SSD and 1650

For my first pc

But it ships in 2 and a half months

[fossil cedar]

@keen agate I'd get this, upgrade to 1660 super and get this ram and this storage with this storage, storage is same price as the 500gb upgrade but this gives you a better drive and 750gb in total for same price, 16gb ram is basically a must nowadays, you could get 1650 super but 1660 super is really worth the 70$ more
https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-pavilion-gaming-desktop-tg01-2170m-pc-3v2z3av-1
https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/amazon/hPfnTW
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessories-and-software/memory-and-storage/memory-and-storage-hard-drives/78018844

[keen agate]

Thanks

I’ll most likely do this

[fossil cedar]

np :)

[quasi bluff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DXVqLP

best build there is

[frank stirrup]

Crap case and coulda gone m.2 nvme

[quasi bluff]

lol

[frank stirrup]

Ram is meh as well

[quasi bluff]

tried to build cheapest we could go

with mainstream parts

[frank stirrup]

I mean 500$ is possible

5600g build

[quasi bluff]

make it lol

thats without ssd tho

[frank stirrup]

I had at some point

[quasi bluff]

unless 240g adata

[mossy venture]

nah

[frank stirrup]

Sn550

[mossy venture]

500g

[frank stirrup]

500gb

[quasi bluff]

my build was supposed to be $450

with 1600 AF

[frank stirrup]

Or klevv kras 500gb

[quasi bluff]

but i bought 2600x used

[frank stirrup]

Klevv cheaper

[quasi bluff]

took a risk

oh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HDmdj2

best pc

for 3k

[fossil cedar]

use this as baseline https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mZqLVc

Yeah baseline wack the used gpu in there

[fossil cedar]

Hell no

Eh no it's horrible use of 3k

[mossy venture]

overpriced ssd, way overkill cpu, meh ram

[fossil cedar]

@quasi bluff https://pcpartpicker.com/list/srh6cT

[strong raft]

We know, Pato made the list

[keen agate]

Pato = god of pc’s

[desert gulch]

go ballistix 3200 cl16

its same price and youll get better oc potential

[frank stirrup]

not everyone ocs

especially ram

oc potential irrelevent tbh

[desert gulch]

why not get a better kit for the same price tho

its literally 2 pennies more

[frank stirrup]

xmp is the same tho

[fossil cedar]

ahh oky well doubt they gonna use anyway

[frank stirrup]

what difference does it realistically make

[desert gulch]

also 12400f is on sale on newegg

[fossil cedar]

ye

[desert gulch]

why get something worse for the same pricec

[fossil cedar]

we know

[desert gulch]

its epic

[frank stirrup]

how is it worse if the xmp is literally the same?

[desert gulch]

if you ever put it in another pc

may as well

better oc potential

[frank stirrup]

The xmp doesnt change from pc to pc

and almost no one ram ocs really

especially for daily

[desert gulch]

yeah but for 2 pennies idk, id grab it

[frank stirrup]

yeah but the silicon power one is the exact same for almost everyone

[desert gulch]

almost yeah

but for same price may as well

that sp is most likely a c die

just based on timings

[fossil cedar]

Or some hynix mehnesss lol

[desert gulch]

yeah

toms hardware says thaiphoon burner couldnt really locate what die it was on theirs

so ig c die is a fair guess

[fossil cedar]

Taiphoon guesses

[desert gulch]

yeah exactly

but usually p accurate

[fossil cedar]

Anything 8gb Samsung= b die according to taihpoon lol

[desert gulch]

yeah but then look at timings

most likely a c die

altho someone would have to buy a kit or get the number to confirm

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[frank stirrup]

it looks like c die for sure

[desert gulch]

yeah

[fossil cedar]

A lot of dies can do 3200cl16

[desert gulch]

toms hardware said at 1.45v they were able to tighten timings a bit

but thats about it

[fossil cedar]

1.45?!?

Jeez

That doesn't sound like c die

[desert gulch]

yeah but who knows

[fossil cedar]

C die gets negative scaling after 1.35

[frank stirrup]

yeah not c die

[desert gulch]

"The memory kit reached DDR4-3600 without problems. We got there by loosening the timings to 17-18-18-38 and increasing the DRAM voltage to 1.45V."

"By upping the DRAM voltage to 1.45V, we had headroom to lower the timings from the 16-18-18-38 down to 14-16-16-36."

thats all they say on oc potential

[fossil cedar]

Cl14

👀

That's not c die

[desert gulch]

sp016gxlzu360bdc

heres the part number from what i could find

not b die from what im finding online

which is to be expected

[fossil cedar]

Ohh no way it's b die

[desert gulch]

yeah

thatd be insane if it was lol

im p sure turbine may be b die tho

[fossil cedar]

It would be at least cl15 if b die

[desert gulch]

yeah

[frank stirrup]

ehhh

low bin b die exists

that can OC worse or as well as c die

like the really crappy b die stuff

[desert gulch]

sounds like something corsair would use so they can say "THIS RAM HAS BDIE"

[frank stirrup]

corsair too cheap for even that crappy stuff

[desert gulch]

yeah but for marketing....

[frank stirrup]

fair

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but 3200cl15 isn't exactly requiring a mediocre bin

[frank stirrup]

and it did go to 3200c14

that most probably isnt bdie

but crappy 3200c16 bdie is a thing

[fossil cedar]

I suppose

[stable tinsel]

How do I fix

[fossil cedar]

https://ugetfix.com/ask/how-to-fix-vgk-sys-blue-screen-error-in-windows/ try this

Vanguard strikes again

[little osprey]

whats a good b550 with wifi with 5000 series bios installed

under 150$

[untold crest]

Need some help with my custom build wish list. I’m new to pc so want to make sure they all work together. I will try and make the list short. All parts come from the Newegg site.

[mossy venture]

Budget, point of the pc, country you live in

[still roost]

Slyder15#0452 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[untold crest]

I have a build in my shopping cart just want to make sure the parts work together.

[mossy venture]

did you try to send multiple links in one message?

[untold crest]

Sorry yeah. My bad.

[mossy venture]

just answer the questions i asked, and then dm me the links you have

[untold crest]

I’m in western Canada

[fossil cedar]

Msi pro vdh wifi

[little osprey]

is it under 150$

[fossil cedar]

Why would i say it if it wasn't lol

Ye

[little osprey]

ok

[regal dust]

anyone know why pc not turning on all of a sudden

[stoic island]

Need more info

what parts

what happened beforehand

[oblique gull]

i have a 6700xt and played on 240FPS fortntie once on low settings got 240fps easily. on a 1440P monitor btw

[strong raft]

Chair & a bigass mouse pad (really big pad) @long rock

[hallow glen]

bobux

[long rock]

@strong raft ye, a chair would be hella noice

I’m also getting a P500A Phanteks, I think I wanna try and fit my tower up on my desk eventually lol

Also looking at getting a new keyboard, mouse, prolly gonna try and go wireless, and a headset. I also want one of those RGB mousepads

I think moving my record player and stuff off my desk also would help, I don’t know where else it would go, I need another table lol

[long rock]

now that im conciously thinking about it, this dang chair is driving me nuts

[strong raft]

For case on desk, could start with try having it far left and maybe record player between pc/lcd. Any wireless, I'd start with mouse or headet because keyboard is pretty stationary.

[long rock]

yeah

so Case > Record Player > LCD?

[strong raft]

Yep. Currently i have mine stacked up a foot right under drafting table. New pc is gonna be on a table though. Funny my tables are so deep i could try pc behind display

[long rock]

see right now i have my record player on the far left edge of my table, then my lcd butted up against the side of it lol

this damn chair is driving me nuts. why am i living like this

Then to the right I have like a foot of space I was gonna put my tower

[strong raft]

Actually now I think perhaps case left and that record player on right for more mouse room. Although it's a big change if that player been there a while

[long rock]

ye

yes thats a clutch plate on my wall outta dads 67 Camaro 😂

made it a clock

alright so lets try these things

[strong raft]

Nice. Is the floor legit wood? I just noticed the uncommon diagonal of it

[long rock]

it is

my dad did it

damn this stuff is dusty too

fml lol

[strong raft]

30yr old house be like that. I still have carpet. Always bugs me that the ac/heater is just for the "return" & there's not really filters for the vents. Seems like that anyways.

[long rock]

im left handed....

mouse on the right wont work hehe

[strong raft]

Then case right is better for ya, good. Bonus is you can look inside better if that matters. I just do to glance at fans sometimes. I actually used mouse left handed in grade school because I wrote left handed, then slowly morphed to a right hand mouser.

[long rock]

ye

Hmm

My front light strip doesn’t work which sucks

😔

Case has a front dust cover but the front is closed, makes 0 sense

I can’t even pull the dust cover out

Why I need wireless 😔

[runic flare]

I get 280 stable in game and endgame with a 3070 lol

[strong raft]

This pic looks pretty good. Oh yeah, I'd put 2 screws/nails under/behind the desk for the power strip. My cables are pretty bad too, but no one will see em.

[sacred chasm]

Hello friends I require advice, I’m currently running a R9 3900XT with a 3070 and 32gb of ram with three 1440p monitors plugged into the GPU, when I stream I notice I get abnormal frame drop when I stream and play (usually play with maxed out graphic settings) would upgrading to 64 Gb of RAM solve any of those issues or is the issue is that I’m just trying to do too much lol

[fossil cedar]

Make sure you're using nvenc to stream and not your cpu, are you trying to game on all the screens at once or are they just for Chrome discord etc?

[tight sorrel]

also, even if using nvenc, can a 3070 handle gaming and streaming at 1440p at the same time?

[mossy venture]

My 3060 ti handled 1080p streaming cold war zombies with rtx on low rest of settings on ultra

So probably with high settings

If not a mix of high and ultra

No rtx, that is

[fossil cedar]

Yes nvenc has like less than 1% impact

[fossil cedar]

Also make sure you have xmp enabled

[ember tartan]

guys i am new to pc building and was thinking of getting a pc. my budget is $5000 what should I get

https://www.amazon.ca/CyberpowerPC-Xtreme-i9-12900KF-GeForce-GXiVR8080A29/dp/B09JQD6N1M/ref=sr_1_1?crid=36F2H6VD5UNBP&keywords=gaming+pc&qid=1641390057&refinements=p_36%3A500000-&rnid=12035759011&sprefix=gaming+pc%2Caps%2C76&sr=8-1

I was thinking of getting that one

[tight sorrel]

NewEgg has better prebuilts

ABS brand

[tight sorrel]

for example, Cyberpower has hooked up a 12900 to 120cm aio, which is just stupid.

[zealous edge]

120mm*

[tight sorrel]

sorry, yes.

120mm

[analog hearth]

you could totally get some sticky cable ties and hide this cables on the left leg there. maybe also get a cable box for the power strip

[tight sorrel]

a bigger desk, would allow them to place the PC on top of it instead, as well

[analog hearth]

or just put the radio somewhere else

push everything else over. leave the PF itself where it is

[tight sorrel]

I mean, theres unused floor space. might as well get a bigger desk.

another idea, is to use double sided tape to secure the power strip to the underside of the desk

[fossil cedar]

What's your use case?

[keen agate]

Will it be easy to change cases on this?

[zealous edge]

It wouldn't be that hard.

But not the easiest for sure.

[keen agate]

Ok ty

[ember tartan]

minecraft

[tight sorrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZGmWZyhac

stay as far away as possible from that thing

[fossil cedar]

Just Minecraft? You're wasting your money getting a 5k pc then,
https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali560/p/N82E16883360190
Or
https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali576/p/N82E16883360211
Will be way more than plenty

[frank stirrup]

is that the one where front io is the motherboard

[tight sorrel]

yup!!!!

also, proprietary PSU

[fossil cedar]

No you would need to change motherboard and power supply too

[frank stirrup]

grand!

btw i got my headphones

10/10

[tight sorrel]

pics or gtfo

[keen agate]

Ok, I think I can work with it though

[fossil cedar]

I mena yeah if you don't mind swapping out the motherboard and power supply

[tight sorrel]

sexy af bud! GG WP!

[fossil cedar]

Perty

[tight sorrel]

also, the CPU cooler

[fossil cedar]

Oh yeah that too

[tight sorrel]

they put an AMD cooler on an intel processor 🤬

[zealous edge]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-michael-scott-embarrassed-hide-gif-3611868

[frank stirrup]

They sound SOOOO good man

[frank stirrup]

Ur perty 😳

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/flushed-gif-23088083

[tight sorrel]

you into electronic music?

[frank stirrup]

Nah mainly pop and alt pop

[tight sorrel]

ah ok, cos theres a track by Deadmau5 that will test the base like nothing elese 😉

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwE612H1WLs

if you dare

[frank stirrup]

Ill give it a listen soon

I dont like the if you dare part tho

😳

[tight sorrel]

its quite an agro track

[crude depot]

Hey I got a quick question for gaming I have these 2 prebuild that I'm looking at originally one was supposed to be for work but turns out work just mirrors the laptop at work so all the power in my PC would be waisted for work, so instead I want to focus on gaming

[fossil cedar]

So whats your budget?

[crude depot]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala252/p/N82E16883360156 this is the new one I'm looking at would this one be comparable to say a RTX 3080 with a Intel i9 10th gen?

All other specs are the same in each prebuild.

[fossil cedar]

Wait no

6800 ~= 3070 perf

What's your budget@crude depot

[crude depot]

I don't really have one just looking for best deals at the moment

[fossil cedar]

Well rough range because best deal is relative to budget

[crude depot]

Ahh ok I'm looking around 2k ish Im willing to go up to 3.5k

So I guess a better question to ask you and I'm sorry I didn't clarify right away but compared to this other prebuild I'm looking at which is better

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali499-gladiator/p/N82E16883360094R

I'm worried about the second one cuzz no reviews

[fossil cedar]

user reviews mean little to nothing

well the 2nd one kicks the first ones ass

its open box tho if you mind that

[fossil cedar]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali554/p/N82E16883360184 for ~2k this is the best you can get, then for higher end id get this one

[crude depot]

Gotchu thanks man I appreciate it!

[fossil cedar]

np

[crude depot]

What are your thoughts on the open box?

[fossil cedar]

its nice pc , 3070 one is better value tho

[crude depot]

I'm sorry I meant the open box policy itself

[fossil cedar]

ohh its fine imo just means it has been returned

[crude depot]

Ohh ok I wasn't sure what it was trying to state

[oblique gull]

for some reason every time i use my headset mic it gets all static and apparently sounds terrible. any ideas?

[blazing aurora]

i have a pair of these bad boys

love em

[frank stirrup]

371bt?

[blazing aurora]

oh snap i thought those were the 361/371s

no i have the standard wired k361s

[frank stirrup]

i got the 371 bt because i wanted to use bt with phone when im out and about and wired with pc

gotta say am very happy with purchase

[steep stratus]

where is a good site for laptop build comparisons?

i remember a few years ago there was a site that gave relative power when facing off two machines, but have not been able to find it again

[analog hearth]

https://laptopvslaptop.com/

?

[steep stratus]

that might work- thanks

im helping a buddy shop for a new machine.. i have been out of the loop for a few years

[little osprey]

is the 5600g any good comapred to the x

[stoic island]

As a CPU, its worse, but it does get an iGPU

[little osprey]

well im wondering because i dont have a gpu yet and when i get a gpu im gonna keep the 5600g

[stoic island]

Its fine

[little osprey]

would it be worth it to sell the 5600g and get a 5600x

[stoic island]

not worth it tbh

[stoic island]

One chart from GN for idea of difference

[little osprey]

its not that big of a diffrence

@stoic island so i should keep it

[stoic island]

Keeping it is fine if you need an iGPU now

[little osprey]

what motherboard should i get i need one with flashback i think, budget is 150 or less for the mobo

[stoic island]

b550m pro vdh wifi

[little osprey]

brand

[stoic island]

MSI

[little osprey]

ok

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-B550M-PRO-VDH-ProSeries-Motherboard/dp/B089D1YG11/ref=asc_df_B089D1YG11/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459454121958&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=627103318165274065&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029673&hvtargid=pla-943536915015&psc=1

this?

[long rock]

@shadow flume I’m not getting a new desk lol, but a new chair yeah

And lights. New case is arriving in febuary

[stoic island]

oh price went up

it was 110$ before

lemme check other boards then

[little osprey]

ok

[stoic island]

If you don't need wifi,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B089CZSQB4

[little osprey]

they the same price

[stoic island]

Its a better board

and one is 138 one is 130

[little osprey]

the one without wifi is 137

the one with is 138

[stoic island]

oh that went up in price too

B550-a pro is a better board than b550m pro vdh wifi, better VRMs

[little osprey]

what does that mean

[strong raft]

Office chair > gaming chair

[stoic island]

better voltage regulation models

[little osprey]

ok

[little osprey]

whats a good case for under70$

[stoic island]

mx330-g air

[strong raft]

At $75 phanteks p400a is worth a look. Haven't gotten mine yet

[long rock]

I got a 500 for 250 on Amazon but it’s coming in febuary

Yes I know I overpaid

[strong raft]

Borrowed from reddit. 😅

[little osprey]

i mean it works

They really wrote “The typewriter” on it

or is it a better deal to get a laptop

[mossy venture]

?

depends on use case

[little osprey]

im at home most of the time

but travel like onece every 2 months

laptop would be cheaper than building a pc

[mossy venture]

also lower performance than their desktop equivelant

likely more heat issues

[strong raft]

Good eye . It works, yes indeed apparently

[little osprey]

has ID-cooling released a mounting bracket for LGA 1700 yet? none of their products are listed as compatible with 12th gen intel on Pc part picker yet

[desert gulch]

yeah they have it

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-SE-226-XT-Compatible-Heatpipes-Addressable/dp/B09FDZGJTN?th=1

226xt has it shown on amazon\

224xt doesnt yet tho

[little osprey]

Ah thx

What m.2 ssd should i think about getting? I want something with pretty good performance, something better than sn550 probably

Im only familiar with budget-end parts

[obsidian wigeon]

there's sabrent rocket on sale atm

[little osprey]

i meant in general apart from sales, cant buy rn because im low on cash

theres quite a lot to choose from here

[south kite]

Adata s70 blade is a usually low price fast gen 4 drive

[little osprey]

👍🏻 thanks

Slowly refamiliarizing myself with the higher-end parts 😅

[strong raft]

gen 4 is over hyped. I think the Hynix P31 is the specific gen 3 that's "better" than a few gen 4's. 🤘 Usually $115/TB or thereabouts. Also, I recently bought the SN550 haha. The 500GB is 1 of the cheapest but still often suggested.

[south kite]

Hynix p31 is a great choice if you don’t need gen 4

[frank stirrup]

No one needs gen 4

And thats a fact

And the p31 beats many gen 4 drives in rand anyway

[little osprey]

whats p31 1tb supposed be priced at?

nvm,

lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YHzYPV

gpu still a gamble

working to buy from someone who received it for free and theyre reselling at a lower price but could be a scam so im going to test it out in person somewhere public

[strong raft]

So they agreed to in-person meet actually? btw I'd probably personally take a Hynix P31 over any of those Sabrents. idk about Sabrent, Hynix obviously knows how to make good flash/ram.

[potent portal]

Sabrent rocket (the normal, non q) is actually one of the better tier drives

[little osprey]

yeah

i love hynix

😌

[strong raft]

I had to try the Sn550 when it was $43 for 500GB. Can always buy newer/bigger drives soon enough.

[little osprey]

I’ve got a budget end intel 500gb m.2 nvme rn

So im just looking for a big upgrade

or *bigger upgrade than to sn550

[obsidian wigeon]

sabrent is cheap doe

[strong raft]

Gotcha, yeah that's hardly a side grade probably. I'm usually behind the times for when to upgrade and finally catching up a bit. actually in most stuff even the B tier stuff might not be a huge upgrade per se, but a new 1TB would be good for ya huh.

[obsidian wigeon]

it uses kioxia nand

which is toshiba

tho the hynix has 128 layer tlc

while the sabrent is 92

[earnest olive]

I need gen 4

the remakes suck

[fossil cedar]

125 ish for 1tb

[strong raft]

Someone has posted a pic or 2 of certain tests showing how it's better than a few gen 4 drives, or at least better than some much higher priced gen 3 drives

[fossil cedar]

Some gen4 drives can be better but rand usually bout the same although sk hynix p41 platinum 🥵

[strong raft]

Forgot to specify. Oh yeah that P41 plat seems nuts. we're headed towards 10GB/s for ssds

edit: Funny written like this.

[vague oracle]

Did the P41 release yet?

[fossil cedar]

Think it's just announced

[fossil cedar]

Yeah not on wegg or Amazon yet

[vague oracle]

[little osprey]

should i buy this gpu for 280 on new egg? its called the MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4 GB GAMING X Video Card

[fossil cedar]

No that's very bad value, you should be able to get a 1060 6gb or 1070 for that price used on ebay or r/hardwareswap

[languid nimbus]

oof, the 1050ti for 280 is bad

[little osprey]

thanks, is there any good budet gpu's on the market

[fossil cedar]

Depends what you call budget, most are used tho

[little osprey]

mostly looking for a $200-300 gpu doesnt have to be that good just decent

because most gpus are like 500-2,000

[fossil cedar]

Gtx 970/1060 6gb/980/1070/980 ti

[little osprey]

where should i buy it

[fossil cedar]

Ebay/Facebook marketplace/ r/hardware swap reddit

[simple olive]

Can b660 motherboards be purchased yet?

[fossil cedar]

Last i checked(yesterday) no

[warm vault]

I am looking to upgrade my Lenovo PC desktop. It is currently a core i5 10400F, and I would like to upgrade the processor to a core i9 12900K. What things besides a compatible motherboard and thermal paste, accessories, etc., would I need ?

[rugged sparrow]

What are you planning on doing with the i9-12900k

[warm vault]

I am planning on doing general purpose programming, system tests, and scientific applications. Mostly computer science related details.

[rugged sparrow]

I think an i9-12900k will be overkill but I am not really an expert you probably have to wait for Pato or another techie to come by

[warm vault]

Okay, thanks for your help !

[mossy venture]

Proper cooler, most likely atleast a 360mm aio, maybe ram depending on what ram you currently have

[obsidian wigeon]

which lenovo pc is it?

[mossy venture]

Maybe new psu

[obsidian wigeon]

it could be anything

[mossy venture]

Depends on the pre built

[obsidian wigeon]

legion t5

or anything

[mossy venture]

I doubt it has a psu over 650w if it has a 10400f

[obsidian wigeon]

tho i doubt it'll fit a 360mm aio anyway

[mossy venture]

That too

[obsidian wigeon]

240 at max

if it's the legion

[mossy venture]

Which means case swap, I wouldn't put a 240 on a 12900k

[warm vault]

So, the case that came with the Legion T5, is that big enough ?

[mossy venture]

Doesn't look like it

[obsidian wigeon]

no

only fits a 240 on top

anyway goin 12600k would still be a big upgrade tbh

or 12700k

[warm vault]

Wow. All right, then I may look for another smaller processor generation.

[obsidian wigeon]

but stuff on it is bog standard atx

just might need psu upgrade depending on the gpu in it

uh, or probably m-atx

not sure

yeah it's matx in form factor

[rugged sparrow]

Changing one thing in a build may change a lot of things like, if I want an AIO, I need a new motherboard since it doesn’t have the AIO header, then I need the AIO itself and a new case because it is not big enough for 240

[warm vault]

What does AIO stand for ?

[rugged sparrow]

All in one liquid cooling

Means you don’t need to take care of it as much as other liquid coolers

[warm apex]

Hey! I was wondering if someone could help me with compatibility between my motherboard and a PCIE drive, I can't seem to figure it out

[obsidian wigeon]

no, aio header is not needed

you can just connect it into cpu fan header

like how you would on an air cooler

[obsidian wigeon]

what's your mobo?

[warm apex]

x299 raider and I am looking at buying SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen 3.0 x4

[obsidian wigeon]

hm

instead of going evo plus

[warm apex]

I have both specs pulled up

[obsidian wigeon]

there's like sk hynix p31

or sabrent rocket, it's on sale rn in the us that is

[warm apex]

I'm in Toronto :/

[obsidian wigeon]

the mobo should take an nvme ssd for sure

it's x299

[warm apex]

yeah

[obsidian wigeon]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LGF54XR

you can order this one on amazon

it's about 84 bucks, if the deal still exists

[warm apex]

how come you recommend that one?

just curious

[obsidian wigeon]

it's well on sale

and a decent drive

you wouldn't notice too much of a difference anyway

for most cases

[warm apex]

right

yeah I currently have a SATA 256gb and it's constantly capping

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

well upgrading to the drive i sent should make your experience much better

the mobo has two m.2 slots, but just install it in the top one

[warm apex]

I'll have to take a look, hopefully it'll fit between my graphics cards

thanks for the help

[obsidian wigeon]

it should

well if there's enough space

but best would be to pull the gpu out

gives you way more room to work

[warm apex]

yeah that makes sense?

whoops

disregard that question mark

would it make a difference putting it the second slot

[obsidian wigeon]

depends on your mobo config

but it could give the drive less bandwidth

[warm apex]

like significantly less?

[obsidian wigeon]

ehh, usually not so much

but it does limit speed if it doesn't give enough pcie lanes

[warm apex]

i see

well thanks for helping me

: - ) really appreciate it

[obsidian wigeon]

you're welcome

[formal girder]

whats a good gpu riser cable would yall recommend

[little osprey]

Aight if anyone willing to go down a rabbit hole here and find me a PSU that will fit in my computer that would be great

I’ve got the hp pavilion gaming TG01-0020 pc

400w SFF psu

It’s not standard tho obviously

[obsidian wigeon]

there's like 550w one that fits

[little osprey]

Fr?

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

[little osprey]

Could you send please 🙏

550w would be perfect

[obsidian wigeon]

hmmmm

uh rip

there's none for it

i was thinking of smth else

another hp prebuilt

[little osprey]

ah i see

hmm

would it be okay to have a psu that doesn’t fit in it right and has to be on its side?

Seems too jank

[obsidian wigeon]

yes

you can defo do that

as long as it has proper connectors

[little osprey]

Bet

My current psu is the GNRC PSU 400W SFF Entl FR

Lzero4618-8zerozero

[obsidian wigeon]

just uh

check if the other psus has connectors you need

[little osprey]

Prebuilt moment

[obsidian wigeon]

or

atx psu but use an adapter

if possible that is

the hp is fairly new

yep

there's adapters

luckily

just type like "24 pin to hp"

and get one that matches your mobo's connectors

the power connectors from the psu ofc

[little osprey]

oh fr? i didn’t know those existed

wait hold up

Can’t i just get a separate psu

Like a normal ATX 600w

And just plug in what i need into the gpu

or does that not work

Mmm seems too sketchy

im gonna try to just buy the psu i want for my build

then get some adapters and hope to god they don’t set my pc on fire

[rugged sparrow]

Ya but I still need a new case because too small

[willow garden]

??

[little osprey]

is it safe to buy from 3rd party companies in new egg

[willow garden]

No, no ?

[little osprey]

some 3rd party companies have good reviews

[rugged sparrow]

Ya it should be fine

[willow garden]

Try plugging the other sized ones, always remember the deal with what wires do for itself, un-packag

[rugged sparrow]

I’ve bought things from 3rd party companies but they can be overpriced so be careful

[willow garden]

Why they vocabulary speak of those?

They are in need for different graphical cards, in the marked it is a wasteland

GPU and stuff like that, wordly a word of conceal to seek another device for the chill of it

[jagged ember]

what

in the hell is he talking about

[rugged sparrow]

The only thing I understand was that they need more gpus in stock

[formal girder]

i just want a riser cable to vertical mount my gpu

[rugged sparrow]

Sorry but idk what a riser cable even is, but one of the smart people in the discord can help you

[formal girder]

yeah idk if it matters the brand or if there is a pcie 4.0 riser cable for 16X

[frank stirrup]

budget?

1660ti

on a 2k pc

..............................................

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali554/p/N82E16883360184

buy that

and a better cooler

[frank stirrup]

if u can sure

[austere wagon]

So i just installed my new SSD and everything is plugged in but my SSD isnt showing up any help would be appreciated

[fossil cedar]

search for disk management, it should show up there and just format or initialise it

[austere wagon]

Alright its there in disk management how do I initialize it

did some googling i did intialize it but still not popping up

should it be converted to another type of disk

Is it because there is nothing on it?

[fossil cedar]

hmm can you send a screenshot of disk mangement ?

[fossil cedar]

right click disk 0

[austere wagon]

then what

[fossil cedar]

whats the options?

[fossil cedar]

okay looks right, but its not showing up in file explorer ?

[austere wagon]

yeah

just my first disk

[fossil cedar]

hmm

[austere wagon]

do i need to assign it to something

[fossil cedar]

sorry, click the black bit instead then should be create new volume

been a while since ive had to initialise

[austere wagon]

ight yeah i think ive got it now

Awesome thanks for the help all is showing up now

[little osprey]

Anyone else have any input?

There’s a little context above when i sent my original message

basically i’ve got an hp prebuilt and want to upgrade proprietary psu

to power 9400f and soon a 2070 super (hopefully)

[fossil cedar]

honestly it would be easier to run a 2nd psu externally for the gpu that you could get to turn on once the main one gets turned on imo

[little osprey]

that’s what i originally thought but like

would that cause current issues

[fossil cedar]

because hp use proprietary connectors for mobo iirc

[fossil cedar]

i dont see why it would

[little osprey]

Pcie lane power & the second psu both would be on the Gpu

[fossil cedar]

yeah that would be fine

[little osprey]

so i can just go ahead and get a second psu? it probably won’t fit in my pc so it’ll be a bit jank

I’ll look into it

[fossil cedar]

yeah

[fossil cedar]

i mean just make sure they use proprietary connectors

[little osprey]

Wait Y

if im just plugging into GPU

[fossil cedar]

well cuz otherwise you dont need to daisy chain lol

[little osprey]

My psu only has one 6+2

Current

one

[fossil cedar]

does it have a 24 atx power tho?

[little osprey]

Don’t think so

i also don’t know for sure

it probably doesn’t

[fossil cedar]

can you check

[little osprey]

i in math class one sec

[fossil cedar]

ahh okay

no rush

cuz otherwise you could just shove an sfx in there unofficially

would be a bit cleaner

i doubt it tho tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgO3ICF08sQ heres a vid on how to daisy chain the psus if you need

[little osprey]

L04618-800

[fossil cedar]

yeah i dont see a 24 pin so id say daisy chaining is best idea if you dont mind external psu

[little osprey]

I’ll give it a look

Thx pato 🙏🏻

Is this a fire hazard at all? 😂

[fossil cedar]

np, i dont see how it could be thats how miners usually do it

[little osprey]

Ah

[fossil cedar]

you should be able to grab a bitfenix formula 650w 50$ or 750w 60$ id go 750w personally and the adapter should be cheap enough like 5-10$

[little osprey]

Sick

Yeah 750 for future proofing would be smart

[fossil cedar]

Yeah I'd get the 750w

[formal girder]

Will this work for a usable gpu riser cable https://www.newegg.com/p/1W7-00BS-00015?Item=9SIAFSTD028881&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAFSTD028881-_-01062022

[little osprey]

This is going to be the jankiest prebuilt ever

[little osprey]

@fossil cedar I’ve decided im going to get the 650w bitfenix formula gold

[fossil cedar]

how come?

[little osprey]

And use a 24-pin to 4+2pin and hp proprietary cpu power adapter

[fossil cedar]

ohh you can do that?

cool

[little osprey]

I guess. Foxy and max both recommended it

[fossil cedar]

looks fine

[little osprey]

So i think i will try that, its also really cost effective if it doesn’t set my pc on fire

Thanks for looking into my psu dilemma pato

[fossil cedar]

np lol

[formal girder]

Thanks pato your a god sent

[fossil cedar]

np

[formal girder]

I'ma order it next week and I'll do an update pic later on with a custom rgb backplate I got from V1Tech almost a year ago

[frank stirrup]

Stop flirting with pato hes mine

Grrrrrrr

[formal girder]

Lol

[fossil cedar]

uhhhh

[frank stirrup]

See he agrees

[formal girder]

So I might need a 32tb hdd

[fossil cedar]

A what

[formal girder]

32tb hard drive

Unoptimized game development has led to me needing a large drive in my own pc

[fossil cedar]

Jeez

[strong raft]

Yeah, why bother uninstalling 9 games we don't play for 2 games we'll play for a while just get a huuuuge hdd

[formal girder]

No it's a singular vr game in current development using some of unreal engine software and a bunch of VRAY and blender

[fossil cedar]

Largest ones ik of(consumer ones anyway) are 20tb

[spice prairie]

Might buy this next for my build

[fossil cedar]

ew

[languid nimbus]

31650?

I'd assume 1650 since 4gb

but then it says

rtx

wat

[fossil cedar]

Says rtx my best guess is 3050

[formal girder]

Ehh I'm leaning more towards the 1650 as the rtx is a typo or a marketing gimmick to the people who barely know hardware specs

[little osprey]

go online and enter product code

ez

[stoic island]

Could be a confused marketing guy that saw 2 models, one with 3050, one with 1650 super, and decided to combine the names

[jagged hill]

31650? is this a typo?

my god

[high haven]

COMING IN 2084

The new 31650

rtxxx super supreme

[crude depot]

Lmaooooo

Nah it has to be a 1650 cuzz the 4g gb graphic thing

[stoic island]

There's supposed to be a 3050 4gb btw

[midnight urchin]

it can draw 10000000 watts of electricity

[rare musk]

k so im downloading windows on my new pc (windows 10 ) and im at the lets conenct you to a network screen and it only says ethernet and im not using that so how can i connect to wifi here (my motherboard has wifi)

[formal girder]

It's a 1650 as well with the super behind the name

[formal girder]

Might have to install the drivers

[rare musk]

okay

[plain grove]

How do I set my new ssd to be my boot drive?

[worn wave]

You install your operating system on it.

[elfin adder]

Can somebody make me a sublime setup for £2500 with monitor and keyboard and mouse

[strong raft]

Install OS to it or copy OS to it from current drive

[strong raft]

Pato can, lol. KB/mouse is personal, but I vote for M27Q as monitor

[pale dust]

gotta clone your old drive onto the new ssd

and then

go to bios and change the boot order so that

the ssd is first

clone only if you wanna keep everything

[long rock]

Is running my rig with the side panel off for airflow bad?

[errant fiber]

eh

expect to dust it more often

[strong raft]

I do it for convenience and panel has been off 1+ month since I installed the ssd & Win10 haha

[strong raft]

2 or 3 times per year better than the average gamer

[long rock]

see i only have 1 exaust fan and my new case doesnt come for another month so not my pc runs at like 65-70 celcius under load instead of 80-85

[pale dust]

oh no

we're starting conditions in med class

the symptoms are gonna line up for some random bs

and im gonna think i have stage 19 brain cancer or something

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_students'_disease

[long rock]

lmao

[whole oriole]

Is this the channel that I can get help with a build I am working on? Also, hello everyone!

[stoic island]

Sure, hello there

[whole oriole]

So I just need some clarification on constraints called out by the tower. I am wanting to use a CoolerMaster ML240L RGB V2 CPU Cooler in a CMP 510 ATX Mid-Tower, The tower says it has a height constraint for top mounted radiators on the Memory bar height of 35mm. So two questions really, is that talking about RAM height and will my G Skill Trident Z RGB be too tall?

[stoic island]

I don't think it would be a problem with the height of the memory module, more of the width, and trident z rgb shouldn't have any issues with the width

[whole oriole]

Awesome, thank you!

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R6vfMv

Should i upgrade psu or nah

Wait nvm its tier A already

[stoic island]

yeye forumla gold op

[pale dust]

get iceflow instead

wait

is it

white only

[little osprey]

what is iceflow

iceflow sounds like a white variant

[pale dust]

i swear ive seen a black one

the cpu block is just nicer

[little osprey]

your right about that

[pale dust]

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-ICEFLOW-ARGB-Water-Cooler/dp/B08CDDTZ8G/ref=asc_df_B08CDDTZ8G/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=507731305156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2481220489058142152&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031560&hvtargid=pla-1277163070759&th=1

ah

here it is

[little osprey]

quite clean

[pale dust]

i was gonna buy it

but i realized i was too lazy

and also realized that it would make my room hotter faster

[little osprey]

Lol

ok so whats your budget and what will you be doing (gaming, 3d modeling, etc) and what region (US, canada, eu, etc)

@little osprey

uh

my budget is 800

and im doing gaming

in the usa

Alright

also one quick question

Yup

some body said you could get free windows 10

or buy it for cheap

Yes

is that true?

Yes

ok

is there a way i can get windows 10 home for free or under 50

i do not know the means of getting it for free, but i do know a place you can get it for cheap. i personally have never bought it there but its around $20 for win10 pro

i dont need pro just home would do good

https://www.vip-urcdkey.com/microsoft-windows-10-pro-oem-cd-key-global.html

Idk if they have home

is windows 10 pro better than home?

It has extra features

basically for professionals

win10 home is more than fine

ok

the only thing ive run into that i needed win10 pro for was microsoft built in remote desktop service and the group policy editor thing

oh ok

an average user would never need those

https://www.vip-urcdkey.com/microsoft-windows-10-home-oem-cd-key-global.html

heres home its a dollar cheaper

[strong raft]

Windows home is for 99% of most (average) users

[little osprey]

figured if pro only a dollar more might as well buy

ok

now about my build

is there any necessary parts i need to switch

for better parts

The one you sent is good overall but theres some feedback i have for you (typing it up one sec)

feedback?

nobody said any feedback

oh

nvm

So the cooler is fine but i feel the value isnt great. especially for an $800 pc its a little pricy

im using new egg for half the parts

11600k on the more expensive end for $800 as well

[little osprey]

a lot of them say amazon for me

Not sure if thats what yours is

yeah but idk how to add new egg

im using a coupon thing and it saved like 90 bucks

click the settings cog

And change the merchant to newegg

oh ok

i see

also im buying the sdd and my fans on amazon only

so the rest is in new egg

The RAM is lacking, could have faster ram (3600mhz instead of 3200mhz) and better overall quality for around the same price https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b

[little osprey]

could you send the link again? you can send it here now since you're level 3 (green username)

pretty good reviews

ok

It has an RGB version but its like $23 more atm

ok

prices bound to change if you're doing a build towards the end of summer tho

in a positive or negative way

Either

Meant like sales obviously wont be the same

some people say the gpus might decrease

might

hope it does

just assume GPUs will be just as hard to get

i know this is out of topic but

If you assume that its going to be bad in the future and it turns out good you will be in a happier place

[little osprey]

Sup

budget builds in 2019:😇 Budget builds inn 2022:💀

Facts.

Im actually trying to get a build funded myself

Just got hired last month and i should start my first shift towards the middle of feb if all goes well

hold on dude

Yeah?

it wants me to verify my acc or something

What

in pc part clicker

give me a min or 2

Bet

[strong raft]

Everything besides gpu is a much better price/value than even just 2 years ago. Nvme is common, 12 gen is out etc

[little osprey]

Correct

p12 value pack

[strong raft]

$22ish? I almost did but instead got 6 of the pwm models. Trying to hunt down a few good 140mm fans that aren't $9+

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DD4sHz

im buying the sdd on amazon

for 43

Could probably get sn550 instead of the p2

not sure how the p2 performs

Your HDD is fine

[little osprey]

1050TI could probably be swapped out

Id go on facebook market, craigslist, r/hardwareswap, etc. to find a gpu if you're not interested in paying scalper msrp

[pale dust]

local can be pog

[little osprey]

Or you can try your luck in newegg shuffle (https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle) or best buy / manufacturer store (EVGA, etc.) stock drops

[strong raft]

Sn550 is same price as that p2 right now funny enough. It's what I just bought (from NE though)

[little osprey]

Case could be fixed

$99 for an upgraded oven isnt worth

It may look cool but performance is mid

the nzxt case?

Yeah

my friends have it and say its fine

[pale dust]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-13-4-touchscreen-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-16gb-memory-nvidia-rtx3050-ti-v4g-graphics-1tb-ssd-off-black-off-black/6452915.p?ref=8575135&loc=262c6d3e6f6811ecb95fdee7c78a78dc0INT&acampID=262c6d3e6f6811ecb95fdee7c78a78dc0INT&skuId=6452915

[little osprey]

I recommend the phanteks p360a or the p400a instead but if you really want it go for it i guess

[pale dust]

this is

[strong raft]

I suggest peerless assassin 120 instead of the cooler master. Similar price

[pale dust]

one cool lapto

[little osprey]

ok

ill update you when i swap some parts

[pale dust]

the nzxt case is bad for airflow, so if you ever add better parts

you will run into overheating issues

and you already have an nzxt case

hmm it is the flow actually

[little osprey]

Yeah a little expensive for what it is tho

[pale dust]

not really

99 dollars for two fans

no rgb but

[little osprey]

p400a>>

[pale dust]

dont know about performance

but looks the h510 wins

[little osprey]

compared to..

[pale dust]

the p400

[little osprey]

Really?

oh looks

yeah agreed

[pale dust]

yeah looks only

the mesh front looks a little dated

its still a good case overall though

[little osprey]

would the se224xt work for 12400f? idk how the thermals are on that

[strong raft]

P400A is what I orderded. Seemed great for $75ish. P360A is similar w/ maybe better rad options

[pale dust]

yeah

3 degrees

a lot for some little for others

[little osprey]

Flow isnt bad but for the price id rather get p400a

plus i personally like phanteks over nzxt

[strong raft]

Probably. 12400(f) is much lower power than 12600k or most 11 gens

[pale dust]

i would really really consider the flow

but probably get the 4000x over either

[strong raft]

I like that the p400a is at the top of that pic 🤘

[pale dust]

i took the ss on purpose to compare

[little osprey]

whats above it?

[pale dust]

this is the entire thing

[strong raft]

I'll say that if incase temps are lower, cpu/gpu fans can be slower/quieter

[pale dust]

wow

look at the

meshify 2

compact

[little osprey]

Wow

sexy case and great airflow

[pale dust]

indeed

[little osprey]

which case

fractal design meshify 2

[pale dust]

comp

https://www.amazon.com/Montech-X3-Lighting-Mid-Tower-Tempered/dp/B09246FCTZ

also this case but

kinda ugly

[little osprey]

Only if you dont have money left for a more expensive case

is it worth the extra bucks

it looks good

and good air vents

I mean if you want it go for it

Its got great performance, think cable management is good/easy to do, and looks great as well

probably wont fit in your budget tho

nah it would

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gw6ry4

Comes in just a little cheaper than what you sent

You can skip out on the hard drive and just have the ssd if youre trying to cut costs

and always buy the hdd later and just plug it in

i added custom parts like the 12400f and the b660 motherboard because they arent out yet

[pale dust]

out of 2000 kids

270 were absent today

covid bad

[stoic island]

rip

[desert gulch]

Wanna see something even more rip?

[pale dust]

idk how much its gonna take

to close it down

bet even more kids wont show up tommorow

[little osprey]

You know you’re in build chat right

[desert gulch]

You know you’re in build chat right?

[little osprey]

Oops

[stoic island]

what?

[little osprey]

can anybody recommend me good mobos

around 100-160

would be appreciated

[stoic island]

ah yes put it on a b660

[stoic island]

for what cpu

[little osprey]

let me see

intel core i5

11600k

b660s dont support overclocking amirite?

[desert gulch]

Ram yes, cpu no

[stoic island]

Do you already have it?

[desert gulch]

But you can still remove power limits

[little osprey]

no im planning on building with it

[desert gulch]

And have it perform almost as good as an overclock

[stoic island]

I'd suggest you go for 12600k

[strong raft]

Adjusting the PL & turbo settings helps a lot though.

[little osprey]

why would a new gen board not support cpu oc tho? im curious

[desert gulch]

It's more budget friendly chipset

[strong raft]

Becauses "features"

[little osprey]

intell core i5 right

[stoic island]

Intel has done it for the last 10 years

Same thing with b560, with b460, b360, etc