building-and-recc-chat

[winged lion]

ok. so you watched tthe video, and you tried using your motherboard to turn on

[keen perch]

Its exactly what I did

[winged lion]

ok.

[keen perch]

The motherboard does not boot

I think the motherboard was bad from the start

[winged lion]

I mean the power supply is on and stuff, everythings plugged in

[keen perch]

Yes

[winged lion]

what board?

*which

[keen perch]

It turns on the fans I hear it humming like its booting then just sits there doing nothing

Gigabyte

[winged lion]

no, not the brand

[winged lion]

ok so just no display. everything else appears to be working?

[keen perch]

The keyboard is usb and the mouse they light up

[stoic island]

Where's the display cable plugged into

@keen perch also, if you have the parts list, can you send that?

[keen perch]

The cable is hooked the on board video

[stoic island]

What CPU?

[keen perch]

I7

Intel

[winged lion]

no, the SKU

[stoic island]

10700k, 10700kf, 11700, etc

[keen perch]

10700f

[stoic island]

That doesn't have integrated graphics

That's the problem

[real flicker]

But wanna ditch the hdds 😂

[sand falcon]

That's gonna be expensive

[real flicker]

That's alright

[stoic island]

@keen perch do you have a graphics card?

[keen perch]

No

I'm using the on board video

[stoic island]

The 10700f chip doesn't have onboard graphics, that's what the f at the end of the sku tells you.

You could try to return it for a 10700 that does have onboard graphics if you can

Or get a rudimentary GPU for now like say a gt 1030

[real flicker]

One day we'll be able to get the gpus we want at original prices 😂

[keen perch]

Whats the on board video for then?

[stoic island]

The motherboard itself has no onboard video or anything, all the motherboard does is give you a display out using the CPU's integrated graphics when the CPU has integrated graphics

[earnest olive]

you can straight trade 5700xt to 6700xt

[stoic island]

And when the CPU doesn't have integrated graphics, no display out.

[keen perch]

Ok i have a video card in another computer. I'll give it a try

Thank you

[stoic island]

Yea, try that.

You're welcome

[real flicker]

Yeah did think about it but also want the 6800xt

[earnest olive]

better than nothing unless you're mining on the 5700xt

still a pretty big performance bump for gaming

once mining dies you'd be in a better position to trade up to a 6800xt or sell the 6700xt

basically the only reason to not take the trade is if you mine during downtime

[real flicker]

Yeah don't really do much mining

I doubt anyone in the UK would trade for a 5700xt to get a 6700xt

[inland parrot]

question which card will better better graphics for open worlds games like gta5, steeps, riders republic etc, but also good frame rate

[real flicker]

What's ya budget

[inland parrot]

well right now i want ti upgarde my 5700xt

[real flicker]

Does it not perform very well in those games then? Which one you got?

[inland parrot]

msi 5700xt gameing x

[real flicker]

Depends if you wanna stick with amd or nvida, personally I'd stick with amd so I'd say 6700xt and above

Not to sure on nvida not looked into them as much as amd

[winged lion]

imagine having the liberty to "stick with amd"

beggars can't be choosers

[sand falcon]

Right now is the best time to stick with AMD

[earnest olive]

idk about the UK but in the US it happens all the time lol

i'm sure miners exist in the UK too

[real flicker]

Must be nice 😂 yeah they probably do just not as common I guess

[real flicker]

Couldn't agree more, best cpu gpu brand atm in my opinion couldn't fault them

[earnest olive]

via cpu + asrock rack m.2 gpu

[winged lion]

wait its cheaper rn?

[sand falcon]

It's more in stock

[winged lion]

o

[inland parrot]

this is not real

[marble whale]

how can I add more storage on my A12?
I have a 64gb sd card how can I use that?

[real flicker]

If only 😂

[inland parrot]

lol

[inland parrot]

this is the link https://www.walmart.com/ip/XFX-Speedster-QICK319-AMD-Radeon-RX-6700-XT-Triple-Fan-Video-Graphics-Card-12GB-GDDR6-2560-Stream-Processors-PCI-Express-4-0-HDMI-3xDP-RDNA-2-Infinit/753898828?=&irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_TZPQyu0VzxyITxcXwcT9CR3RUkBQyiy4rUMM0Q0&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_150372&clickid=TZPQyu0VzxyITxcXwcT9CR3RUkBQyiy4rUMM0Q0&sharedid=&affiliates_ad_id=568833&campaign_id=9383

[inland parrot]

i just feel like anything in the 6000 series gpu is good so it does not really matter tbh

i want to get the black version for the xfx 6900t but its not showing in pc part picker @real flicker

[real flicker]

A 6900xt would be a incredible choice, but what's the rest of your system?

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y8G2Xb @real flicker

I have to upgarde the power supply tho

[fossil cedar]

You want to put a 3600 with a 6900xt ?

[inland parrot]

I was planining on getting a 6900xt then upgrading my cpu

[wheat coral]

honestly ive saeen worse so like i'd go for it

esp since its am4 you can just upgrade to 5000 series

samethign with 10400+3090 you can go to 11th provided you got the board

[inland parrot]

does anyone know the difrrent between the limited black vs black version for the 6900xt

[winged lion]

I'm confused what's wrong with that

I mean I don't even know what he uses the pc for (specifically)

[inland parrot]

everything

[desert gulch]

Yeah I mean run some games in 4k and that 3600 won't rly be a bottleneck

[earnest olive]

3600 + 6900xt is fine at 1440p and 4k

at 1080p it's a bit 🤡

[still roost]

Aegis#5729 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[winged lion]

GAH I FORGOT AGAIN

I meant then that raises the questrion why the *%? are you using a 6900xt on 1080p

[earnest olive]

1080p360 gaming

[winged lion]

even bigger of a meme

well, unless you play comp csgo or some

[inland parrot]

Why cant i find the black version of thr xfc 6900xt on pc part picker

[clever eagle]

not sure

[midnight vigil]

https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-1tb/p/N82E16820250092 is this a good ssd?

Ill probably get 2

and does it work with this https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119384?Item=N82E16813119384&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-4VhftwHrFAzpkamtV5V6Ew

[earnest olive]

no and yes

[midnight vigil]

soo not good ssd?

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

just get this instead

cheaper and better

$100 is too much for a 1tb sata drive

[desert gulch]

hows that stack up to a helix L?

[earnest olive]

not sure actually

[desert gulch]

just looked at toms hardware review and they look to be p equal

helix l seems to have better endurance and mp33 seems to have faster loading times and stuff

so yeah mp33 prolly better in this scenario

[queen dagger]

should i get the warranty/plans for anything?

i kinda dont cuz 700 is cool dont want it to be uneven

ya knoiw

[inland parrot]

How much should i sell my 5700xt

[kind vortex]

hmmm

250$?
????

[inland parrot]

$400

[kind vortex]

what

450 :)

[inland parrot]

I mean i am getting a 6900xt, 6700xt or 6800xt sooo

[kind vortex]

399$?

1000$ shipping

[inland parrot]

So I will just get the 6800xt then and forget out the 6900xt

[earnest olive]

sell it to me for $1

[rocky grove]

Hey guys, im new here, my current PC is about 7 years old, im considering building a new PC. Do you guys suggest I build one now or wait if there are some new upcoming parts that are worth waiting for? Haven't really done much research yet, like DDR5 or the new CPU chips? Appreciate any insights!!!

[wheat coral]

If I were you I'd just wait as DDR5 and 12th gen are gonna be pretty big in the hardware space.

[desert gulch]

I'd wait if you don't need one

Ye

Hi floppa

[wheat coral]

Hi

[earnest olive]

the answer to "should I wait" is always the same answer

[rocky grove]

Thank you, do you know when the timeline for DDR5 and 12th gen chips come out?

[earnest olive]

if you're asking it means you don't need an upgrade yet

so wait

[wheat coral]

Some time in November.

[earnest olive]

keep in mind early ddr5 is going to be pretty bad

[rocky grove]

Yeah guess i dont really need it yet, but just considering and starting to do my research i guess

[wheat coral]

Yeah but still better than low-mid range DDR4.

[earnest olive]

price/performance though

[wheat coral]

I hate to break it to you but many people don't care too much about it.

and it's gonna have a HUGE upgrade path.

[earnest olive]

honestly idk if 4800c40 is gonna be than 3200c16 for gaming

and it's gonna cost a lot more

[wheat coral]

JEDEC proposed spec for DDR5 goes up to 8400.

[earnest olive]

sure but then we're comparing like $300 kits to $75 kits

[wheat coral]

It's always been like this though.

[earnest olive]

alder lake is still going to have ddr4 support

[wheat coral]

New gen of RAM is and always has been more expensive than its previous.

[earnest olive]

alder lake + ddr4 b-die will probably be the best price/performance early on

[wheat coral]

That's up to the board though.

[earnest olive]

or rev. e

[rocky grove]

I thought AMD is better than Intel right now?

[wheat coral]

It's the same with Skylake and stuff boards with DDR4+DDR5 slots have never been good.

[rocky grove]

you think the new gen Intel alder lake will make a come back?

[wheat coral]

12th gen is gonna roll.

[rocky grove]

I have some intel stocks, i hope so man they have been down

[wheat coral]

Considering you wanna wait or at least you were thinking about it I'd wait.

[earnest olive]

anyways i'm pretty sure someone building their first new pc for 7 years doesn't care about upgrade path

drop-in upgrade paths are a complete nonfactor for most people

[wheat coral]

It's coming out Nov. most likely or early 22.

[earnest olive]

who cares about whether or not the board will upgrade to a 13900K in 2028 when you can just get an 18600K

[wheat coral]

I was talking RAM upgrades.

Not CPU

[earnest olive]

fair enough

dropin upgrade from ddr4 to ddr5 on alder lake in 2 years is valid

[wheat coral]

RAM is like the easiest thing to upgrade IMO as it really doesn't require any screws or new paste.

[wheat coral]

Yup but boards in the past that support both haven't really been good.

As Intel I'd be focusing more on DDR5 support than DDR4.

It's probably gonna be the same way it's been in the past.

[earnest olive]

well then you still have to factor in paying an astronomical amount for early ddr5 that won't perform very well

[wheat coral]

Not many boards will support it and the ones that do will be hard to find.

[earnest olive]

and will have terrible resell value when you do upgrade

[wheat coral]

Honestly not as many people sell their old hardware after upgrading it's strange

Usually handed down, thrown away, or just kept in a closet for years

[earnest olive]

were there any z170 ddr3/ddr4 combo boards

[wheat coral]

I think there was a few obscure ones

[earnest olive]

i upgrade often and resell everything

[wheat coral]

But not many

[earnest olive]

probably going to ignore early ddr5 though

going to ride out my 3800c14 rev. e until ddr5 is mature

[wheat coral]

I think there was one from gigabyte but I'm not so sure

[earnest olive]

think my current platform will survive an upgrade to 4080

my cpu is already stupidly overkill rn

[wheat coral]

They'll skip 4XXX

[earnest olive]

basically never see it use 20% cpu

while gaming

[earnest olive]

source?

[wheat coral]

Bad number in China.

[earnest olive]

didn't stop them from making GT 440

on the 40nm process

[wheat coral]

which wasnt a mass market item

[earnest olive]

the entire 400 series existed lol

[wheat coral]

How many years ago?

[earnest olive]

uhh... 4 has been a bad number in china for a lot longer than since fermi release

[wheat coral]

Now compare their numbers sold now and then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

They'll probably skip 4 as it really doesnt sound good

[rocky grove]

I have intel i7 4930k 3.4ghz, 16gb, 980

[wheat coral]

Oh you were high end for the time

I've just recently gotten my 980

[earnest olive]

i am pretty sure chinese people are buying i5-x400 cpus and ddr4

[rocky grove]

yes i was pretty medium to high end at hte time i bought

[wheat coral]

Yeah

[rocky grove]

i think my 980 ti was highest

i got 980 instead

[earnest olive]

i'd call 4930K a little bit more than medium

[wheat coral]

Smart

[rocky grove]

i remember i spent decent amount

like 2k at the time

or 3k

forgot

[wheat coral]

Yeah stuff has gotten a little less expensive

[rocky grove]

Oh I got a deal on the 4930k at hte time

[still roost]

beesuu#7002 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rocky grove]

oops lol

[wheat coral]

But if you're wanting to go high end this time it'll be around the same price

[earnest olive]

cpu with $600 msrp that needs X series mobo

was it X79?

[wheat coral]

x99 I think

X79 was V1/V2 era of xeons iirc

[rocky grove]

i want to go semi high end for future proof kinda dont want to switch comps again for again atleast 5 years

[earnest olive]

it was X79

4930K is ivy bridge-e

[rocky grove]

let me check what mobo i had, where i check?

[earnest olive]

X99 started with haswell-e aka 5th gen hedt

[wheat coral]

X99 was also V3 but was DDR4

[earnest olive]

sorry but that's not gonna be a thing anymore

[rocky grove]

it was some Asus ROG black edition

[wheat coral]

Yeah X79

[earnest olive]

3rd/4th gen cpus are still relevant today because intel had no competition and barely improved anything

now there's competition

[wheat coral]

Why not?

[earnest olive]

$340 flagship i7 from 4 years ago is already feeling some pain

[wheat coral]

yeah but from 4 years ago was also 4 or 6 cores right?

He's got 6

[earnest olive]

a 5950x is not going to be as good in 2026 as a 4930K was in 2018

it's not really about core counts either

[wheat coral]

Nothing is but no reason it shouldn't last him 5 years

[earnest olive]

intel gained like 15% ipc in 7 years

[wheat coral]

I still see no reason why his next PC won't last him 5 years

[earnest olive]

i mean you can use it for 5 years but it's not gonna be future proof

[wheat coral]

Honestly kinda solidified my point

[earnest olive]

future proofing is dead

[wheat coral]

Ehhhh it's more like 60% but yeah I see what you're saying

[earnest olive]

i7-4770K released in Q2 2013
i9-10900K released in Q2 2020, 7 years apart

[wheat coral]

*In terms of single core performance

[earnest olive]

there is only one generation of ipc gain between them

[wheat coral]

I was comparing single core performance between 11900k and 4770k

[earnest olive]

that's 8 years

[wheat coral]

So there's a 45% jump in between 1 year?

[earnest olive]

"ipc"

[wheat coral]

Yeah and I said something that mattered more

lol

I even corrected myself

[earnest olive]

sure they got it to clock higher by pumping 400 watts into it

the point is we are going to see ipc gains that won't be survivable with just adding more cores to future proof

[wheat coral]

From 4770K to 10900K its 47% difference in single core performance.

46*

I'd say 12th gen will be usable for 5 years

Especially since this guy was fine with a 980+4930k for 7

It'll be fine

Is it gonna be the fastest?: No.

[earnest olive]

there's a really big difference between the words usable and future proof

[wheat coral]

Is it gonna be usable?: Yes

[wheat coral]

You said it yourself.

"Future proofing is dead"

[earnest olive]

yes... and he wants it to be future proof

lol

all i'm saying is that future proofing in 2021 isn't a thing anymore like it was in 2013

[wheat coral]

I really think he meant that it'll be usable 5-7 years after he bought it

[earnest olive]

i mean a pc is usable until it dies if you keep doing the same things on it

future proofing means you expect to be able to play 2026 AAA titles on it with good performance

[wheat coral]

Depending on "good perfomance" it most likely will

[earnest olive]

1440p high 120+ fps is my lower bound of "good performance"

some people have higher demands than that

some people have lower

[wheat coral]

Good performance is literally entirely subjective

Some people are fine with 1080p 60

or 1440p 60

It depends ENTIRELY on the person

[earnest olive]

i don't expect a build from today to do 1440p60 in AAA titles in 2026

1080p60 will probably be doable with a 3080

[wheat coral]

you can think that but you'll be surprised ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean hell

a 750ti can still do 60fps in lots of games at 720p

mid range card from what 2013?

[earnest olive]

the entire point is that progress is going to be faster than it was before while intel was sitting on their gold pile laughing at fx

[wheat coral]

Progress in what?

You said earlier that Intel has made 15% gains in IPC and theyre still sitting pretty 1-5% below AMD in games at highest end

So clearly IPC doesn't matter as much

4770K is still 100% usable for gaming at 60FPS today despite being nearly 70% slower than a 11900K

[earnest olive]

because amd just finished playing catchup

[wheat coral]

Kinda?

They were the ones to force Intel into releasing CPUS with more cores

I'd say they were done by 2nd gen Zen

not 3000, 2000 lol

1st gen yeah they were a little slow but they had more cores at lower prices

2nd gen they sped it up enough for lots of people to go for them instead of Intel

[earnest olive]

second gen ryzen definitely did not reach gaming parity

[wheat coral]

3000 they were nearly neck and neck with Intel at higher end being what? 10% slower in games

[earnest olive]

10% slower is definitely not my definition of neck and neck lmao

more like 5th and 11th trading blows within 1% margins

[wheat coral]

Yes but thats at highest end lmao

[earnest olive]

3600 vs 10400

3100 vs 10100

[wheat coral]

3600 is just about equal to a 10400 in games

price wise no not really

3100 is maybe 5-10% slower than a 10100

at the same price

[earnest olive]

ah yes. comparing cpus for a benchmark at ultra settings

ryzen 3000 was great

i bought like 30 of them

but they weren't at gaming parity

did it really matter? no

[wheat coral]

I really do think they were

[earnest olive]

but they weren't at gaming parity

[wheat coral]

Theres still very clearly a difference though right?

You could make the argument that you arent going to have the highest end GPU for those combos so theyd be about equal in every case

[earnest olive]

literally what i just said

it didn't really matter

that's why i bought so many of them

but they still weren't at parity

when talking about cpus in a vacuum

that didn't happen until ryzen 5000

[wheat coral]

They were literally

like the same

[earnest olive]

ryzen 3000 prices also never dropped quite as low as comet lake prices

i walked into microcenter and picked up a 10400f for $110

[wheat coral]

You were talking

performance

[earnest olive]

yes

[wheat coral]

not

Price to performance

[earnest olive]

and you're using ultra settings benchmarks to claim their performance is the same

[wheat coral]

I also just said that it wouldnt matter with any GPU other than high end

[earnest olive]

yes

which i agreed with

but that still doesn't mean the cpus are at parity

just that you'll be gpu bound anyways

[wheat coral]

Even GN is using high settings

Cause honestly not many people play on Low or medium

not even me

[vital rune]

would this be the correct channel to post a pcpartpicker list and get thoughts/opinions on the list

[wheat coral]

Sure

[earnest olive]

yes

a lot of people who care the most about cpu differences do play at low settings

aka esports players who are trying to push 240+ fps

do i think their use case is practical? no

but they still care

[wheat coral]

How many esports players are there compared to people who just wanna play the game

[earnest olive]

a lot

last time i checked league of legends is still one of the biggest games in the world

[wheat coral]

so what 80% of players are esports?

a lot isn't a number

or is it the other way around

20% of people maybe are esports players

ACTUALLY getting paid

for playing the game

[earnest olive]

you don't have to be a professional player to care about high refresh rates

[wheat coral]

you dont have to play at lowest settings to get high frame rates

"The 10100 is so low compared to the rest of the stack that we dont have to worry about GPU bottlenecks"

[desert gulch]

Is that with the $20 Mobo deal?

[earnest olive]

yeah

[desert gulch]

Epic

[stoic island]

GN usually uses modified high or medium or low

Also, anandtech does some testing at 480p for CPU reviews

It just shows scaling a little bit better

[patent gyro]

This my motherboard bad or ram 🐏 dead Bc my pc is running but the usb don’t work and it’s not posting

[clever eagle]

oh

[humble rock]

does anyone have experience with the 5600g 5700g my friend wants me to build him a family computer and be able to play csgo in this market and his budget i think this may be the best option

[wheat coral]

It should be ok if you don't really play the game competitively

IIRC it should do around 120FPS avg at comp settings with like 50 1% lows

1080p comp settings*

[earnest olive]

i5-10400 + used gtx 1060 should fit in 1000 cad budget and be better @humble rock

[humble rock]

now to track down a 1060

[earnest olive]

could prob go lower if csgo is the only game he plays

1060 has no problem doing like 400 fps if the cpu can keep up

[humble rock]

hes not much of a gamer its more of a pc for the family school work and what not he just asked if counter strike was still around and could it play it on there lol

i was gunna try to see if he would up his budget so i could slap a 6600xt in there

[earnest olive]

could go down to 1050ti or so to afford a 144hz monitor

[humble rock]

i did see one in stock on mem ex the other week

[earnest olive]

like my friend had a $600 budget for league and valo only

so $150 of it went to monitor

to get 144hz

[humble rock]

he just wants it to be fast that is all he kept saying

[earnest olive]

so basically

16gb ram and ssd

lol

[humble rock]

i think they have a super slow laptop now so anything will be an upgrade

yeah i was going to go with a 5700g b550 mobo 550 psu a sn550 nvme and 16gb 3600 mhz ram

[earnest olive]

@humble rock does 1000 include monitor

[humble rock]

no

[earnest olive]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fKKQp2

dont have to max out the gpu budget but its there

anything from like r9 380 to gtx 1060 6gb would be fine

[humble rock]

yeah that looks good my gf wants to upgrade her gpu so maybe ill use her 980ti

[earnest olive]

980ti is good

a bit overkill tho

[humble rock]

true enough she wants to get a 3060 but so hard to find

[earnest olive]

this might surprise you but 3060 is not that big of a leap from 980ti lol

only 50%

3060ti would be more than double

[humble rock]

really i thought it would smoke that card but that 980ti still impresses me to this day

[earnest olive]

more like the 3060 is just shockingly bad compared to the rest of ampere

[humble rock]

Yeah I have the 3070ti it could use a couple more gb of vram but it’s prett fast compared to my old 2070

[earnest olive]

3060 is practically tied with 2060S

3060ti is practically tied with 2080S

3070 is practically tied with 2080ti

3070ti only beats 3070 by like 5% for 40% more power draw so it's pretty meh

then 3080 beats 3070 by like 35% stock vs stock

3080ti beats 3080 by like 10%

and then 3090 beats 3080ti by like 2% so it's even more meh

[humble rock]

This is mine and hers I want to upgrade her cpu as well she’s still got a 4790k

[earnest olive]

4790k still pretty capable

[humble rock]

I’d like to move her to a 5600x

[earnest olive]

picked up a dirt cheap 4770k + 16gb ddr3-2133 + z87 strix maximus hero mobo for $110

delidded the 4770k and oced it until it can compete with stock 7700k

[humble rock]

Delidding seems nerve racking lol

[earnest olive]

need to find a budget red and black gpu to pair it with

one of those msi gaming x cards

1060/970

delidding is easy

[humble rock]

Really seems sketchy

[earnest olive]

there's $12 tools that take out all the risk people used to take delidding with razors and vice grips

you just put it in the holder and screw it in until the lid pops off

couldn't be easier

applying liquid metal can be a little bit more involved depending on the cpu

i delidded a 4770k, 7700k, and 8700k

7700k and 8700k very easy to use liquid metal on since there's few places you can mess it up

but 4770k is much more dangerous

[humble rock]

I got a old i5 3470 maybe I’ll give a trail run on that

[earnest olive]

delidding is dead for newer cpus

for almost all users

still some crazy people taking huge risks delidding soldered cpus to shave off 2C

[humble rock]

I’m currently running a 9700k but I think I’ll run it for 2 more years ppl tell me to upgrade but I said it’s only a couple years old

[earnest olive]

upgrade to what lol

9700k is fine

[humble rock]

2 c ain’t worth it lol

[earnest olive]

still a good pairing with the 3070ti in most games

[humble rock]

My buddy is on a huge amd kick he said go 5800x but I don’t see the value there

[earnest olive]

nah

[humble rock]

That’s what I said

[earnest olive]

I'd wait for 13th gen or ryzen 7000

upgrade cpu alongside gpu

hopefully shortage won't be a thing by then

[humble rock]

Intel is coming back well hopefully

[earnest olive]

like 2024? 2025?

should be over

[humble rock]

Lol

[earnest olive]

nvidia execs said they expect it to be over by 2023

[real flicker]

Intel can't beat amd in the cpu range now they've taken over in that market gpu maybe not just yet

[earnest olive]

lol no

amd has definitely not taken over

only at the high end

intel is killing it in the midrange which is what most people buy

[humble rock]

It was a miracle I got the 3070ti I was in the city and just happens to be in stock wasn’t even looking for one I wanted a 3080

[earnest olive]

i5-11400 is having stock issues because it's too good

notice how they have to price drop 5600x now and it's still in stock

[humble rock]

Yeah I heard is a great cpu

[earnest olive]

nobody wants to pay $300 for 6 cores anymore

and amd is definitely nowhere near taking over the gpu market

[humble rock]

No way to much i remember when 8 cores were insanely priced

[earnest olive]

still way easier to get rtx 30 series than rx 6000 series

I wanted a 6800xt at first

[humble rock]

I see 6700xts all the time but there 1100 cdn

[earnest olive]

gave up after 2 months and found a 3080 below msrp in 2 weeks

1100 lmao

[humble rock]

That’s a 650 card at best

[fossil cedar]

True it's just a tad mismatched lol

[earnest olive]

it's a 3060ti competitor in raster that has less features than the 3060ti

should be 350 usd x)

[humble rock]

And that’s at memory express not scalped

[earnest olive]

retailers are the biggest scalpers now lol

nowadays most of the stuff from newegg shuffle is more expensive than scalpers

[humble rock]

A guy from work has two but he put them in sli he’s cooking them

[earnest olive]

SLI radeon cards?

lol what

[humble rock]

Or crossfire I’m not sure never ran 2 cards

[earnest olive]

crossfire and sli are both dead for gaming

[humble rock]

He sent me this pic asked why his cards were running at 98c

[earnest olive]

lmao

[humble rock]

And that psu must be working

It’s a 750

I told him they can’t breath should have got a 6900xt called it a day

[earnest olive]

i did this but the temps were fine

[humble rock]

He has like one fan in the front and just the aio and one back fan

[earnest olive]

lol

bottom card was chilling at 50c and top card 65

[humble rock]

What cards are those

[fossil cedar]

Tell him to put his back fan in the front lol

[earnest olive]

3070 top 3080 bottom

[fossil cedar]

Might help

[humble rock]

I offer him some old fans but he said he was good

@earnest olive how did you score to 30 series cards

Two

[earnest olive]

got quite a few more than that lol

gave some away to friends who needed upgrades though

[humble rock]

Dang I struggled for months to get one

[earnest olive]

got 3080 below msrp and 4 3070s at msrp

anyways need to sleep have a headache

gn

[humble rock]

I had to buy a power supply with my 3070ti so lame

Peace

[frank stirrup]

You didnt HAVE to tbf

[fossil cedar]

YOU'RE BLUE

[frank stirrup]

You could have deal with crashes

[frank stirrup]

When I get home ill be pink again

[fossil cedar]

Hmm

You look weird without pink

[frank stirrup]

Need my credit card

[frank stirrup]

Ur literally pee coloured nerd

[fossil cedar]

Ahh

[fossil cedar]

Ik you're jelly 🤪

[frank stirrup]

Ur pee

[grizzled verge]

Got my new mobo and cpu

It looks awful

Imma change my psu cables and cooler real soon

[clever eagle]

nice

which way are your aio fans facing

lol its ur friends

sli cards i think

wait its radeon

still two card

s

[clever eagle]

1100 usd?

[inland parrot]

So if I get the 6800xt which one have very good cooling because I heard that the xfx has one of the best cooling

[clever eagle]

get one with cooling

[inland parrot]

Yeah I was thinking of getting the xfx 6800xt

[frank stirrup]

https://rog.asus.com/in/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-lc-rx6800xt-o16g-gaming-model/

[inland parrot]

I am not watercooling btw, I have air cooling

[frank stirrup]

you asked for very good cooling, that card is probably it

its an aio card

you dont have to watercool it

it comes with everything attached

[real flicker]

Also very expensive 😂

[frank stirrup]

i mean all cards are

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[real flicker]

Well yes but that's considerably more

[formal girder]

[frank stirrup]

all of em are considerably more than they should be

[obsidian wigeon]

Imagine expecting msrp on an lc card

plus current shortages

[ember sierra]

Hi, should I pay a bit more for CAS 16 (32 GB @ 3600MHz) vs CAS 18? Price difference would just be around 18€, as I'd probably go for an RGB model if CAS 18 is good enough

[fossil cedar]

For what cpu?

[ember sierra]

Ryzen 7 5800x

[fossil cedar]

What country?

[ember sierra]

Germany

[fossil cedar]

16gb or 32gb?

[ember sierra]

32

2x16 that is

[fossil cedar]

G

Price difference is a bit bigger, i would do this if possible (non rgb)https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/KkqBD3/crucial-ballistix-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4b or rgb version https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/FxTzK8/crucial-ballistix-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4wl

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/VhmFf7/corsair-vengeance-lpx-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-cmk32gx4m2z3600c18 would be the only 3600cl18 I'd go for because it's the cheapest

[ember sierra]

The cl16 RGB are a bit too expensive to me, so I wondered if it'd be fair to go for RGB cl18's. But I guess compromising that performance for aesthetics isn't a great choice?

[fossil cedar]

I mean if you're absolutely set on rgb https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/cc6qqs/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-sl-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-cmh32gx4m2z3600c18 these aren't horrible but I'd grab the cl16 personally

[ember sierra]

Of course I like RGB, but I don't need it necessarily. Guess I should rather go for cl16 then

[winged lion]

vengeance

[fossil cedar]

Cheapest kits in a lot of the eu

[winged lion]

rip

[ember sierra]

yep

[fossil cedar]

As they should be tbf

Lol

[winged lion]

lol

[fossil cedar]

Ehh they're fine, no point paying 30€ more for non vengeance like

For 3600cl18 anyway

For cl16 ballistix basically cheapest everywhere

[ember sierra]

Well, should I pick the Crucial Ballistix or G.Skill Ripjaws for 3600cl16?

[fossil cedar]

Ballistix

[potent plinth]

Hello, idk where to ask but - I need to buy a monitor (100-125 euro). Any suggestions ?

[fossil cedar]

It's cheaper and better dies

[ember sierra]

Alright, ty

[potent plinth]

For media and light gaming - a few games not FPS

[fossil cedar]

Whatever you can find that fits your budget in a shop from your country

Try get a 90hz+ monitor

[potent plinth]

Can I send some monitors I found

[fossil cedar]

75hz will if 90hz+ not possible

Sure

[potent plinth]

Alright, brb

[ember sierra]

I have two 60Hz monitors :(

[potent plinth]

first one I found was: Mi 23.8'' Desktop
Monitor 1C

Its 125euro

75hz i belive, 1080p

24" as it says

[fossil cedar]

Mhm

[potent plinth]

So what do u think ab it

[fossil cedar]

Does it say panel type?

[potent plinth]

wait

[fossil cedar]

Haven't heard of it tbh

[potent plinth]

IPS
wide-angle panel

Look it up

[fossil cedar]

Ohh ntb then

You can dm me the link

[potent plinth]

can I send link in dm?

[fossil cedar]

You cant post links til lvl 3

[potent plinth]

done

[fossil cedar]

Looks good

I'd look at a review for it if you can find one if possible tho

But specs look decent for your budget

[potent plinth]

Reviews are all in indian lol

or hindi

idk

but will look up some reviews

I will try to find another one so I'll send it here

Monitor AOC 23.8" 24B1XH IPS Full HD

I found this also

[frank stirrup]

indian isnt a language

[potent plinth]

Hahaha

Ik

But im stupid

[vale epoch]

This has been selling like hotcakes but still no video reviews

[obsidian wigeon]

it's probably great then

[jagged ember]

Looks great

Based on specs

[obsidian wigeon]

i would get that laptop too

reviews looks good on wegg at least

[vague oracle]

Sips said it’s perfection in a laptop

[earnest olive]

indeed

user reviews are useless anyways

[serene pulsar]

Opinions of best CPU aside from Ryzen 9

[frank stirrup]

which ryzen 9

[serene pulsar]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

5000 series

Other then those

What’s the next best in line

[jagged ember]

You're probably gonna need to specify which exact one

You can't compare an entire series to another

[formal girder]

better yet what is budget and use case

[jagged ember]

Epyc processor can be good

[winged lion]

dude.

there are two ryzen 9's in the 5000 series

[potent crypt]

By the way the they said “other then those” im guessing they mean other than the both of them

[fossil cedar]

Wrong ping woops

[fossil cedar]

Ryzen 7 5800x xD

[potent portal]

11900k is comparable to that too, but costs uh, quite a bit more

[sand falcon]

We all love capping your mainstream CPU line at eight cores

[flint estuary]

yeah I havent heard very good things about the 11900k

[sand falcon]

It's a nice space heater

[flint estuary]

not sure why intel went down from 10 cores to 8 on their top of the line chip either

[potent portal]

The only good thing about it is the single thread performance, and even then it's barely better at that

[winged lion]

also it's integrated mem controller

[potent portal]

Yeah but that's not something the average user needs to worry about

[winged lion]

ik

[potent portal]

Nice for getting extreme numbers overclocking though

[winged lion]

but youll see some xocers with it for that reason

[flint estuary]

I'm using a 9900k, probably gonna upgrade when ryzen 6000 series comes out

[winged lion]

why not when alder lake comes out

[potent portal]

Their official excuse was "we can't fit more than 8 cores" which we all know is BS

[sand falcon]

Personally I don't want to worry about the mixed architecture

[potent portal]

First gen DDR5 will be slow and have some bugs to work out

[flint estuary]

idk ive never had a ryzen cpu and i kinda want to check it out, plus i have a radeon card so i could use SAM

[potent portal]

SAM isn't all it's cracked up to be

[flint estuary]

yeah but its better than no resizeable bar at all

[potent portal]

At least it doesn't have a potential negative impact like normal re-bar

[flint estuary]

oh wait is re-bar bad?

[winged lion]

well we'll see prices

[winged lion]

wdym

[potent portal]

It depends on the game

[flint estuary]

ah

[sand falcon]

12th gen intel will have two different core architectures one the same die

[winged lion]

oh I thought you meant how he had a different architecture first

lol

[potent portal]

Here's one example of a game that doesn't like re-bar

[flint estuary]

yeah interesting

[winged lion]

why would you have to worry about it

[sand falcon]

Not an issue for most people, but I don't want to deal with it with the low level stuff I work with

[winged lion]

oh

(i dont now what stuff you work with)

[vague oracle]

I wonder how big of a jump will zen 3 threadrippers be over zen 2

[potent portal]

Microsoft scheduler will need a HUGE overhaul to handle the new 13th gen

[winged lion]

raptor lake?

[sand falcon]

Likes like it'll be sizable based on the initial leaks

[potent portal]

There's been quite a few leaks that say good bump

[vague oracle]

Might as well wait for it

[flint estuary]

if you're planning on getting a tr then its definitely a good idea to wait for zen 3

[vague oracle]

@potent portal Do you have any clue if Zen 3 trs will work with previous motherboards or will there be a new socket/chipset

[potent portal]

It's compatible with the old WRX80 boards

(Had to get more specific there)

[vague oracle]

What’s the difference between TRX40 and WRX80?

[potent portal]

TRX40 maxes out at 32 cores

[inland parrot]

Gpu bracket because the xfx 6800xt cards are big

Any recommendations

[stoic island]

Legos

[potent portal]

^ Fully modular bracket right there

And sturdier than people give credit for

[vague oracle]

I wonder why my gpu doesn’t need a bracket, it’s so damn thick

[potent portal]

Is your slot reinforced?

[vague oracle]

Pretty sure it is

[potent portal]

Then it's fine

[vague oracle]

It has some I think aluminum on it

So like if it’s reinforced it doesn’t need a bracket?

[potent portal]

If it's reinforced then it (probably) won't bend the slot over time and will help with sag

[vague oracle]

Ahh ok

[forest anvil]

Is it still worth it to get a ryzen 9-3900x or should I get a ryzen 9-5900x

[frank stirrup]

Gaming or workstation?

[forest anvil]

Gaming

Mostly

Bit of school and stuff yk

[frank stirrup]

Then get a 5800x

[forest anvil]

5800x?

[winged lion]

which games

[forest anvil]

FS2020 would be the most demanding one

Xplane 11 too

[winged lion]

alright then. I would say 10900k

@forest anvil I can make the whole list, if you want

which country and budget are you in

(if you want certain colors/RGB just lemme know)

[forest anvil]

US, I already have ram and Nvme SSD from other build, ram is Corsair 64gb-3200 and budget is like $800 USD

Tysm

[vague oracle]

Go for a 5800x, it’ll be a bit cheaper and better performing than a 10900K

[winged lion]

in fs2020 and xplane? not so sure about that

[winged lion]

oh well in that case how are you even considering a 5900x

you'll have no budget for the GPU

let alone a 10900k

[forest anvil]

Ik, I was going to get GPU later after the prices go down

[potent portal]

No really. 5800X is higher single thread performance than 10900k, and 99.99% of games won't use all 20 threads

Heck most games don't even know how to handle 6 threads

[frank stirrup]

Also 10900k is a meh suggestion when the 10850k exists for cheaper

[honest anchor]

5600x is good enough

for gaming

[potent portal]

For most people yeah

[winged lion]

heck, 10700k makes the most sence

[winged lion]

well how can you know that will happen anytime soon

it's the harsh truth

[fossil cedar]

Surprised they didn't make the i7 7 cores just to make the i9 seem good xD

[forest anvil]

I have a GTX series to use for now

[potent portal]

Yeah great idea buying a processor based on a single favorable review for a single game being better

[winged lion]

it's his most demanding game

[forest anvil]

Her

[winged lion]

also where are the other reviews that aren't favorable?

[winged lion]

oh I apologize

[forest anvil]

It’s okay lol

[honest anchor]

check cpu benchmarks for cpu

[winged lion]

?

[fossil cedar]

wElL aCtUaLlY in csgo, the 5950x gets 5 more fps at low 4:3 than the 5900x 🤓

[winged lion]

which site

[potent portal]

Notice that Intel only takes the lead after overclocking to start with

[sand falcon]

yeah... that would be odd

[honest anchor]

check cinebench r23 lists

its a good benchmark tool

[winged lion]

why wouldn't you overclock

[fossil cedar]

Some people don't want to

[winged lion]

why wouldnt use pbo

[potent portal]

Because most people don't, or don't know how

[forest anvil]

Idk how to

[winged lion]

oh

[honest anchor]

i had to underclock mine lol

am using sfx psu

😫

[potent portal]

Yeah my 5800X performs best with a negative voltage offset oddly enough

[winged lion]

isn't that undervolting?

[fossil cedar]

Most 5000 do

[winged lion]

which is supposed to help perf

[fossil cedar]

Ye

Not always supposed to help tho , usually just same perf

[potent portal]

Yes but I've also got it overclocked with the undervolt so it hits 4.7-4.8 GHz on cinebench

[winged lion]

lol it said my cpu was already at -135 for some reason

like default

in throttlestop

[potent portal]

The default voltage baked into the chip is usually a little high anyway, it probably knows that and compensated

[winged lion]

so throttlestop did that?

[potent portal]

I've never used that one personally but it's possible

[winged lion]

hm

[forest anvil]

How’s this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yxFLMv

[fossil cedar]

Yikes

Whats your budget?

[forest anvil]

I already have SSD ram and stuff

[fossil cedar]

And use case?

[forest anvil]

And GPU

[fossil cedar]

What ram and what gpu?

[forest anvil]

64gb Corsair RGB pro-3200 and gtx series GPU

[fossil cedar]

What gtx gpu?

And can you return the ram?

And why do you need 64gb?

[earnest olive]

mans put an 11900K on a mobo that'll throttle an 11400

[forest anvil]

It was a gift

[fossil cedar]

Hence the yikes

Ahh

[earnest olive]

ngl

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[earnest olive]

when I saw you say yikes I was expecting to see a $300 ryzen 5 3600

[fossil cedar]

Lmao

I saw a 280$ one bout 3 weeks ago

@forest anvil what gpu? What budget and what's the use for the pc?

[forest anvil]

I was think like 800-1000 USD and the gpu is a 1650, Ik it sucks but I’m gonna get a 3060 ti or 3070

[earnest olive]

1650 + 11900k pog

[forest anvil]

Is that sarcasm

[fossil cedar]

Very much

Big sarcasm

[potent portal]

Even with a 3070 the 5600X or 11600k would be plenty

[earnest olive]

also that mobo is going to melt itself trying to run an 11900k lmao

[fossil cedar]

That's like putting walmart tires on a Lamborghini

[earnest olive]

nahh

it's like getting a top of the line sports car engine

and putting it in the flintstones car chassis complete with the square wheels

[vague oracle]

5800x ever so slightly beats it out https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo9fAiYXlRc @winged lion

Still looking for one that isn’t OCed

[earnest olive]

4.8ghz manual oc?

[fossil cedar]

Omg yes

[earnest olive]

they running it at 1.5v or what

they kill a 5800x for one video?

wurf

[fossil cedar]

@forest anvil do you need wifi?

[vague oracle]

Kinda hard to read but

[earnest olive]

wow that shows the 5800x beating the 5900x really well

[forest anvil]

I have WiFi

[earnest olive]

I feel like that isn't talked about much

[fossil cedar]

I mean for the pc

Will you be using wifi/wire

[earnest olive]

a lot of people assume the higher end model with the higher core clock will win

I remember when zen 3 came out people were like

why would you go 5800x for $450 when $100 more gets you 50% more cores

you're paying a premium for the fully functioning 8 core ccx

[vague oracle]

I mean $450 still is a bit much for a 5800x imo

[earnest olive]

yeah

it is

[forest anvil]

I have it for PC

[earnest olive]

but it's not as simple as $/core

I'm super happy with my $300 5800x

but up to $400 is a pretty fair price I think

[potent portal]

With a 3070 you'll be GPU bound in FS 2020, so the CPU barely matters past a point

[vague oracle]

$500 5900x

[earnest olive]

and they're selling for that now

[vague oracle]

A MSFS is fairly CPU bound believe it or not

[earnest olive]

anyways time to eat

thai food pog

[potent portal]

Yes I'm aware, but depending on your detail settings you'll max a 3070 quick

[fossil cedar]

Will you be doing a lot of multi tasking? Whats the use case?

[vague oracle]

True true

MSFS is the new Crysis

[potent portal]

Most of those CPU tests run at minimum quality 1080p

[forest anvil]

Most demanding would be like MSFS2020 and I’d be doing some schoolwork, just essays and stuff

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cFd2Xb I'd do something like this

[forest anvil]

An i5????

That’s worse than my current CPU

My current pc is better than that actually

[fossil cedar]

It's not worse

What i5 you got rn?

I garuntee the 11600k whooops it's ass

Unless you got an i7 11700 or 5600x already lmao

[forest anvil]

Yeah I got an i7

[potent portal]

11600k is one of the best processors in the midrange, and a great choice paired with a 3060 ti/3070

[potent portal]

There's been like 50 i7's

[fossil cedar]

Model of i7 matters not the i7 bit

[forest anvil]

It’s 10th gen i7

[fossil cedar]

Then why would you change

Thats just a sidegrade

[potent portal]

So 10700k? Literally no reason to upgrade that

[fossil cedar]

@forest anvil this is why model number matters

[potent portal]

The funniest part is the 11700k performs worse than the 10700k in a lot of tasks

[forest anvil]

It’s i7-10700k

[fossil cedar]

@forest anvil whats all your specs rn then?

[fossil cedar]

Ik you said that I'm just showing how model number is a lot more important

Usually people say that and are coming from like a 2nd gen i7

[forest anvil]

i7-10700k, 32gb ram (I have an ITX case and mobo with only 2 ram slots), NvMe SSD and 1tb external HDD, gtx 1650

[flint estuary]

why would you upgrade?

[potent portal]

Besides the GPU that could all be a solid set of specs

[fossil cedar]

Then keep that, spend the money on a gpu upgrade assuming you have a good enough cooler and power supply and motherboard

[forest anvil]

To get a more core CPU that performs better under stress

[fossil cedar]

If you're gaming the 10700k isn't the problem

The 1650 is

[potent portal]

If your CPU is performing badly that's the motherboard's fault

But it's 100% the GPU holding you back

[flint estuary]

yeah i guarantee the 1650 is the bottleneck in that system

[fossil cedar]

And or cooler

[flint estuary]

the 10700k is a solid cpu and shouldn't struggle in even the most taxing games

[potent portal]

Or the ITX case not allowing a good cooler

[forest anvil]

Yk you all aren’t being very kind to me

[flint estuary]

?

[potent portal]

Why? Because you don't like the truth?

All we've said is upgrade your GPU first

And given reasons why

[frank spindle]

Anyone know of a software to control fans? Besides corsair.

Fans in case

[flint estuary]

better to set up fan curves in bios, so you don't have software using up system resources

[potent portal]

Every brand has their own software, how are the fans connected?

[frank spindle]

I have six pwm motherboard

[fossil cedar]

All we doing is telling you the truth

[flint estuary]

yeah go into your bios and there should be a fan control utility

[fossil cedar]

And telling how to fix lol

[frank spindle]

Bios (gigabyte) sucks smart fan 6 in bios

[potent portal]

Your motherboard brand will have a software that will work

[frank spindle]

Okay just wondering thanks

[potent portal]

Different brand software isn't guaranteed to work because they don't like to standardize things, so you're forced to use their stuff

[fossil cedar]

It's pretty decent actually in the bios, thats what i use on mine

[flint estuary]

my bios has smart fan 5, works fine for me

[vague oracle]

Gigabyte bios is meh from what i remember

but last gigabyte bios i used was on a Z170

[flint estuary]

the bios on my aorus ultra z390 isnt bad, not the best ive worked with but its useable

[vague oracle]

Easily my favorite bios is Asus'

[frank stirrup]

Gigabyte my fav

[vague oracle]

Paired with so many nice OC centered features on the mobo its so good

[earnest olive]

asrock bios is my favorite

for one simple reason

RGB control embedded in bios

don't need software

[flint estuary]

i had so many issues getting rgb fusion 2.0 to work

such a pain

[frank stirrup]

Plug and play for me

[flint estuary]

couldnt get it to launch personally

[earnest olive]

gigabyte bios is pretty good

[frank stirrup]

The included CD did everything ngl

[earnest olive]

wack

[flint estuary]

for some reason when i upgraded my graphics card it started working

[earnest olive]

imagine using a cd in 2021

you some kind of dinosaur?

[frank stirrup]

I installed my 4 cd copy of quake 4 on my pc last week

[flint estuary]

hey, i still have a dvd burner

[earnest olive]

imagine installing windows 10 from floppy

insert disk 791 out of 37296 to continue installation

[frank stirrup]

Oh gosh

Yeah

[earnest olive]

[flint estuary]

i had to use zip disks to install windows 7 once

[earnest olive]

I can't remember the last time I used a cd/dvd

might have been when the nintendo wii was new

2007?

[flint estuary]

i still use dvds to back up files externally

[earnest olive]

haven't had a disk drive since I got rid of the laptop that had one in 2015

[frank stirrup]

We dont do that here

We use external hard disks

[earnest olive]

I just back up files on hard drives and cloud

[frank stirrup]

Same

I have 2tb cloud space

[potent portal]

I use my server

[frank stirrup]

I wanna build a server

Maybe after I get a job

[flint estuary]

i got a server blade a while ago for free but cant get it to boot

[earnest olive]

dude did you see that guy that wrote an algorithm to store and read data off of black and white dots in a video frame and then uploaded all his data to youtube lmao

swag

[sand falcon]

How did it fair with the compression?

[flint estuary]

how did that work with compression

[earnest olive]

not sure I don't think the dots were 1px each though

memory is a bit hazy

[frank stirrup]

Technically tho if any drive that is not in your computer is an external drive then isnt backing up to the cloud backing up to an external drive

[earnest olive]

if it was 1px compression prob would have killed it

yes

[potent portal]

If you've got $100 you can buy an old xeon workstation and repurpose it

[frank stirrup]

Punch card moment

[earnest olive]

alright time to drive home

[frank stirrup]

I cant

I live in india

[fossil cedar]

My b450 gigab bios nais

[frank stirrup]

💀

[frank stirrup]

b450 ds3h user

Nerd

[fossil cedar]

That's not common?

[potent portal]

Nope, asrock only afaik, maybe a couple high end boards on other brands

[fossil cedar]

Heres the mobo, right side has floppy headers

[frank stirrup]

PCPP link pwese

[fossil cedar]

htpps://pcpartpicker.com/someAsusMoboMyGrandaOwnsAsAMemoryThingy

Didn't work as link :/

[sand falcon]

Someone did it with a vm and virtual floppies

[earnest olive]

how many?

[sand falcon]

I forget, it was a lot

5GB / 2MB

[winged lion]

lol youtube benchmarks.

[sand falcon]

Testing Games is pretty reputable

[winged lion]

really?

I don't see a methodology

[sand falcon]

Not Steve level of benchmarking, but good for quick looks

[winged lion]

my go-to is always TPU

that or GN, tom's, anand, or techspot

[sand falcon]

The methodology is simple, run the same scene twice and show the numbers side by side

[winged lion]

fuma 2 is no longer meta

(fs140 for AMD IHS)

[stoic island]

TPU sad tho, weird testing methodology

They use different things for different platforms

For performance benches

[sand falcon]

How's the ram clearance on that? One of the nice things about the fuma 2 is not having to worry about it

[winged lion]

really? https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/5.html

looks like they keep it as consistent as possible

[sand falcon]

Consistent, but weird

[winged lion]

let me compare rq

[sand falcon]

I go to tpu to check specs, not much beyond that though

[winged lion]

the have a big gpu database

[stoic island]

Exactly, see how different platforms have different ram

[winged lion]

46mm

[sand falcon]

Not great, but not horrible either

Fuma definitely wins on ram

[earnest olive]

since i didn't see this addressed, you know 10700K and 11900K have the same core count right?

both are 8 cores 16 threads

[sand falcon]

What's the reason for the fs140? It seems to historically been about the same price as the fuma 2

[winged lion]

just performs better

I can send some benches if you want