building-and-recc-chat

[jagged ember]

Seems kinda easy to run

[earnest olive]

honestly you could prob just set 16-19-19-39 1.35v and there's a good chance it'll just work in one try

[vague oracle]

He’s wondering what the “bottleneck” in the system is

World of tanks isn’t the problem

[earnest olive]

what's his gpu

[vague oracle]

2080 super

[jagged ember]

Mm

[vague oracle]

He wants to know how he can improve the performance in rhino

[jagged ember]

Seems like a fine combo to me

[frank stirrup]

Rhino

I hate it

[vague oracle]

I’m going to replace the cooler in it and I was thinking about the ram but I’m not sure if it would just be better to buy a 32Gb kit of 3600cl16

[jagged ember]

Is that like a render thing

[vague oracle]

I love Rbino 7

[frank stirrup]

I hate it with a burning passion

I last used rhino 5 tbf

[vague oracle]

Rhino 5 was the best version

[jagged ember]

Even at its best he hated it lol

[earnest olive]

what's rhino

[vague oracle]

Lol

Rhino 7 is still really good

[frank stirrup]

3d designing software that nightmares are made out of

[earnest olive]

ah

if he has 16gb ram then an upgrade to 64+ would probably be the best bet

what cooler does he have

[vague oracle]

What do you think is a good 3D design program?

[frank stirrup]

Ran well on 8 gigs tbf

[frank stirrup]

None

[earnest olive]

minecraft

[vague oracle]

He has 32Gb

[frank stirrup]

3d design is nightmare fuel

[vague oracle]

And never maxes it out so will be fine

[vague oracle]

It really isn’t

[earnest olive]

maybe get a higher bandwidth kit

[frank stirrup]

Personally it is

[earnest olive]

something like 4400c19

[frank stirrup]

I had to design a thing in rhino

It took me 2 days no sleep

[earnest olive]

bandwidth > latency for these non gaming applications and comet lake has a strong IMC

[vague oracle]

I’ve been doing it for like 2-3 years so keep that in mind

[frank stirrup]

Fair

Ive used it all of 3 times

[earnest olive]

what cooler? I found it was trivial to hit 100c all core on 10700K with 360mm aio and no gpu in a 4000d airflow

[vague oracle]

It’s the stock Lenovo tower cooler

[earnest olive]

oh

oh no

that cooler is good by prebuilt standards but

not good enough to run workstation tasks on a 10700K

[vague oracle]

I’m probably just going to buy him a freezer II

[earnest olive]

has he monitored CPU temps when running those intensive tasks

[vague oracle]

Around 80

Like 70-80 with stock paste

Didn’t try new paste yet

Do you know any 64Gb kits of 4400cl19?

Or 32Gb

[earnest olive]

80 huh

is it running stock

[vague oracle]

Yeah stock no OCs

[earnest olive]

fair enough

I was seeing 100c all core with 1.35v max LLC

intel 14nm + prime95 is a bad combination

[jagged ember]

Sips hi any more cooler reccomendations for 5600x

I already said the drp4, scyth fuma 2 and noctuas redux one

He tryna save money lol

[earnest olive]

air cooling only?

[jagged ember]

Mm

Liquid more pricey than water, no?

[earnest olive]

from personal experience I would go nh-d15 or 280mm minimum if video editing is a priority

[jagged ember]

Hm

What if it's not a priority

[earnest olive]

fuma 2

[jagged ember]

He do be streaming too

[earnest olive]

nvenc?

[jagged ember]

Nvenc

[earnest olive]

5600x is not enough CPU to game and stream off h264 at the same time

[jagged ember]

He got the 3060ti

Oof h264 on cpu kills the man

[earnest olive]

yeah he'll be fine with a fuma 2

[jagged ember]

3600 be sad

[earnest olive]

I tried h264 on my 5600x

failed hilariously

[jagged ember]

How's the uh

[earnest olive]

over 50% dropped frames while playing a game that uses 12% cpu

[jagged ember]

Noctua nhu12 redux for 5600x

[earnest olive]

it's just a worse version of the nh-u12

[jagged ember]

Lmao true

[earnest olive]

and isn't it more expensive than the fuma 2

[jagged ember]

Apparently not

Here is cheaper

[worn wave]

NH-U12 Redux MSRP is 49.99 USD i do believe

Fuma 2 is like $10 more?

[jagged ember]

So is it enough for the 5600x?

[earnest olive]

ehh

looks like se-224-xt level cooler

[worn wave]

Personally I would go $10 more for the Fuma 2

[jagged ember]

Ah

But the xt is actually also more pricey

Lmao

Weird market here ig

[vague oracle]

How is a dark rock pro 4 for a 10700k?

[worn wave]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-Assassin-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B08S77DVDS/

Has there ever been tests on this cooler?

[jagged ember]

Thanks, sips!

Big preesh

[earnest olive]

yeah they're in the same tier in the cooler tier list

[jagged ember]

THATS A THING

[earnest olive]

yeah

[jagged ember]

WHATT

[frank stirrup]

Waitbl what

[jagged ember]

BRUH

[frank stirrup]

Where pinned link

[worn wave]

on ltt fourms

[jagged ember]

I've literally been using my innate feelings for this crap

[worn wave]

that one?

[earnest olive]

se-224-xt and nh-u12s redux are both tier 6

[jagged ember]

This feels alright

[frank stirrup]

Sippy

[earnest olive]

fuma 2 is tier 4

[frank stirrup]

Pin link in #old-cooling

[earnest olive]

okay

[worn wave]

Ah, this is tier 4 I see

apparently

[earnest olive]

oh that looks like really good value

[worn wave]

Yeah

[earnest olive]

large boi

[worn wave]

black is only couple bucks more also

[frank stirrup]

Heh I have a tier 9 cooler

[earnest olive]

which one

[frank stirrup]

410r

Best non aio I could get that fits my case

I wan 4000d airflow

[earnest olive]

i have tier 1

xd

$31 tier 1 cooler op

[frank stirrup]

Gimme

Ill trade u

[vague oracle]

Where’s the cooler tier list?

[earnest olive]

#old-cooling pins now

[worn wave]

#old-cooling

[earnest olive]

lmao what is this name

thermalright frozen magic scenic 360

i want to buy it

[jagged ember]

Yoo my gammaxx is tier 4

Poggo

[worn wave]

Looks pretty nice

[earnest olive]

actually does

[worn wave]

$139.31 on aliexpress

woah

[earnest olive]

👀

[worn wave]

hm

$40 shipping cost tho

[earnest olive]

ouch

[worn wave]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002837015592.html

Yeah

that sucks

[jagged ember]

Thermalright seems very derivative

Could have been named thermalgive instead

So I guess it's fair enough

[peak ginkgo]

It does look good

[jagged ember]

It do

[worn wave]

If only shipping was not awful

[frank stirrup]

No no no

It takes thermals from cpu and yeets them

[jagged ember]

Lol okay

[worn wave]

$20 AIO awesome

[jagged ember]

Thermalgive would have been a bad name then

[worn wave]

lmfao

[potent portal]

Wonder how the thermals and noise are on that

[worn wave]

Listing is misleading, it's $60 to get free shipping

[jagged ember]

Lol lies

[peak ginkgo]

Thermalyeet

[potent portal]

Iceflow is an id-cooling model, but I don't see anything polar related

[earnest olive]

i'd avoid sketch aios from no-name brands on aliexpress

you don't know if they have any QC at all

risking a leak on your gpu ain't worth saving $10-20

[potent portal]

Looks like the brand is akloker

They have it on Walmart 😳

[jagged ember]

Sus

[earnest olive]

aios are one of the only components where i'd care about brand name

they need to have some level of QC

[potent portal]

But it's $83 on Walmart

[earnest olive]

i'll take something from a lesser known brand like raijintek or thermalright

but "akloker"... nah that can stay out of my system

[worn wave]

Thermalright is lesser known now but used to be more popular

LTT did many videos on their products years ago

[earnest olive]

yeah just wanted to clarify that by "caring about brand name" i don't mean go buy an nzxt kraken z73 or corsair capellix lmao

thermalright is becoming popular again with 3080/3080ti/3090 owners

their thermal pads are popular for repadding those cards

i have their pads in my 3080 rn

their cpu coolers less known though

[potent portal]

I have those pads too, nice quality 12.8W ones

[earnest olive]

i had gelid gp-extreme before

then i had to take them out when i needed to rma the 3080

decided to try thermalright this time

both work about the same

sadly neither are reusable

[worn wave]

I am quite tempted to buy one of these to try out, 6 heatpipes, dual tower sounds great at $40, apparently Tier 4 on the tier list

They are not copper heatpipes though

[potent portal]

I think I remember that one being loud

[worn wave]

Reviews said so yeah

[jagged ember]

I also have a tier 4

It keeps 3600 under 80 with pbo on tho...

[earnest olive]

3600 is not nearly as hard to cool as zen 3

the same cooler i saw my undervolted 5600x hit 90C on

kept 3600 at 65C

same case same fans same workload

[zinc cedar]

Corsair pcs good? The vengeance lineup to be precise?

[vague oracle]

Nvm my dad agreed to try to OC it @earnest olive

Could you help me out with it?

[earnest olive]

just do primary timings imo

16-19-19-39 1.35v

[vague oracle]

Ok

[earnest olive]

run some mem tests

and done

[vague oracle]

Any point to try to go to 3600?

[earnest olive]

ehh

figure out what die it is then

[vague oracle]

Ok

[earnest olive]

run thaiphoon burner

[vague oracle]

It’s hynix die

Nvm it’s a lost cause, the BIOS doesn’t support Intel XMP

[earnest olive]

ah

[desert gulch]

Ahh b460?

[earnest olive]

so i assume you can't oc it either

no, just oem prebuilt things

it's a lenovo prebuilt

[desert gulch]

Oh sad

[earnest olive]

b460 can still run xmp and manual oc timings

just frequency locked

[desert gulch]

Does it have the spoiler on the back of the case?

To enhance downforce?

[earnest olive]

damn a lot of people said lenovo prebuilts were some of the better ones

but locking you to 3200c22...

[desert gulch]

Lmao

[earnest olive]

lol

[desert gulch]

Redux: exists

[formal girder]

I should buy a spoiler for my case

[desert gulch]

Yes

Full carbon fiber wing

[formal girder]

If i can get my 3d printer back up i can make a spoiler and can attach it to my case

[desert gulch]

Epic

[earnest olive]

man i hate prebuilt manufacturers

why do they do these things

[little osprey]

Same!!

[vague oracle]

Z490

It doesn’t really lock you to a specific frequency but you can’t OC it

And nope it’s not the one with the spoiler, this case is actually really good airflow wise

It’s a 7i

Screw this pc it can’t go above 1.2v to ram

Would a Z590 be good for an 10700K?

Or should I just try to find a Z490

[potent portal]

Wait what z490 board isn't letting you do more than jedec voltage?

[stoic island]

proprietary bios

[fading oyster]

hey guys

do you think i should sell my 3060 right now and try to buy a 3070?

[stoic island]

unless you get the 3070, don't sell the 3060

market is still like that

[fading oyster]

i mean i have a 2060 i can use while i look for a 3070

[vague oracle]

Lenovo board

[vague oracle]

If you do then yeah sell it, not much performance difference

[shut rampart]

Anyone know how to fix this?

[inland parrot]

hey so want to make a low end build for for brother, any suggestions

[fading oyster]

integrated graphics

[little osprey]

Budget and usage?

[inland parrot]

gaming, and general use, budget- between $500- $700

[little osprey]

Which games?

$700 won’t get you too much in today’s market

It’s still possible though

[inland parrot]

idk which games tbh

[little osprey]

Does he play games rn?

[inland parrot]

i dont think so, right now

but he will use it for general use

[little osprey]

Well there’s always an option to upgrade later on so we don’t have to worry about it

I’ll get you a list of parts

[inland parrot]

that is fine

[little osprey]

How much storage do you think he will need to begin with?

[inland parrot]

1tb is fine

[inland parrot]

oh and for the case, i got a case is the https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4vJmP6/montech-x1-atx-mid-tower-case-x1-black

[little osprey]

You already have it

?

[inland parrot]

yeah

[little osprey]

Alright

[inland parrot]

he can always upgrade the case if you wants to get a better case

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JKJ37X

Case is fine

This motherboard supports bios flashback so if it isn’t compatible right out of the box just go on your pc and prepare a fat32 usb with the bios files

really easy to do

[inland parrot]

what about this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p6Mkp2

the ryzen 5 3600 is a good cpu

[vague oracle]

Horrible value tho

[fading oyster]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zMpc8J

here's a good build if you can get your hands on a 1660 msrp

[vague oracle]

Keep in mind 16 series is discontinued

So you’d need to buy second hand

[desert gulch]

I'd change that SSD and psu

Not even a Nvme drive, it's a sata one

[fading oyster]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KqkM9N

there

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DQVpCz

he want amd chip

[fading oyster]

oh word

10400 runs pretty cool so i thought he'd be cool with athat

[inland parrot]

i5 is a good cpu tbh, didnt have any problem with it on my laptop

[fading oyster]

it is very good and the stock cooler supports it very well since it doesn't run that hot

[inland parrot]

yeah true

[fading oyster]

plus the 10400 is a better value

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-10400F-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/4079vs4040

[inland parrot]

do amd chips run hotter than intel

[fading oyster]

depends on the chip

[inland parrot]

makes sense

exmaple, ryzen 5, 3600 vs intel i5

[fading oyster]

the i5

[inland parrot]

will be much cooler than the ryzen 5 3600

[worn wave]

Never use userbenchmark

The 10400F is better price to performance but still never use Userbenchmark

[desert gulch]

Please don't use that website

[worn wave]

Their methodology is not great at all on how they test stuff and most of the time is not accurate

[little osprey]

11400 is great choice too if you can find one

[desert gulch]

It's insanely biased when comparing cpus across company

[inland parrot]

but i feel like it does not really matter if i get the i5 or ryzen, 5, 3600, they both are good cpu

[little osprey]

11400 have great performance on gaming

Its close to 5600

[desert gulch]

11400 will beat 3600 in literally everything, while still being cheaper

[fading oyster]

I mean budget wise it does matter because the ryzen is like 50$ more so you’ll have to cheap out on other components

Ya 11400 would be perfect but i barely hit 700 with the 10400

[inland parrot]

facts and dont want to bottleneck the parts too

[desert gulch]

With a 1050ti?

[inland parrot]

ingore what I said about bottlenecking

[desert gulch]

Lol ight

[little osprey]

Lol

[desert gulch]

11400 could take even a 3090, provided higher resolution, and still not bottleneck in games

[inland parrot]

your right

[little osprey]

I pairing 10700k with 3090

[inland parrot]

what games do you play

[desert gulch]

Only worry if you plan on playing at 480p, because then you may need a better cpu to get the most out of the gpu

[little osprey]

Battlefield mostly . Some Apex legends too . Waiting for new BF42

[inland parrot]

oh okay

[little osprey]

Almost no bottleneck on 2k max settinngs

[inland parrot]

with the intel and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 can I play at 1080p

[desert gulch]

Easily

[inland parrot]

k

[desert gulch]

With the 11400 it all depends on your graphics card

[inland parrot]

that is fine with me

[little osprey]

10700k is impressive cpu with my work on CAD systems and on gaming too

[desert gulch]

The 1660 will be the thing to max out first

[peak ginkgo]

This

[little osprey]

I had 1660S till past year lol I gave it to my dad after I got 3070

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Wy4bbh

[peak ginkgo]

The 10700k is a really good CPU

[little osprey]

750w is lil bit much for this build but it's nice to having room for upgrade

[desert gulch]

Could def go cheaper on psu

[inland parrot]

yeah

i agree with this build

[little osprey]

yeah waiting for 12th gen to upgrade lol

11th gen not worth to upgrade

[clever eagle]

cooler

[little osprey]

Lol

[inland parrot]

i heard it not a gen for intel cpu

[little osprey]

U can get 25-30bucks cooler later . 10400 and 11400 working impressively cool

[desert gulch]

Yes

Se224xt, v5, gammax 400

[little osprey]

11th gen cpus are weird

[desert gulch]

All are great

[little osprey]

Yeah

[inland parrot]

if I was going to chnage the case which one is good

[peak ginkgo]

I have a 10700k and don't see any benefits to upgrading to 11th gen so I'm waiting for the 12th gen. But if I were to upgrade, I wouldn't mind the 11th gen. They're all good and have uses

[little osprey]

Where is the gpu ?

[little osprey]

Same . Waiting for 12th gen since 10700k still staying well with 3090 . I just wondering about ddr5 ram shortage 🤔

[inland parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FbKrNP

i am willing to get the Nocuta cpu cooler

[peak ginkgo]

I'm eagerly waiting for ddr5 as well. A company had them for preorder and it was sold out quickly.

[little osprey]

Why you not adding few bucks to get 11400f 🤔

[little osprey]

Yeah I think we'll have ram shortage incoming lol

[peak ginkgo]

And CPU and motherboard when Alder Lake drops. Everything will be bought up like crazy.

[little osprey]

damn market xd

[peak ginkgo]

Yup, stupid pandemic causing shortages

[little osprey]

How would i begin to open this up

@wheat coral ? you said something earlier about sata in usb external hard drives so i’m trying it out

[earnest olive]

hammer

are there any screws

if not maybe a pry tool

[worn wave]

A spudger

[earnest olive]

you could try googling "<product name> disassembly"

[little osprey]

Did and the dude had some pro ass metal pry tool

[fading oyster]

with 10400f on a budget you won't need such a powerhouse cooler because 10400's typically don't get too hot

[little osprey]

All i have is flathead screwdrivers

[earnest olive]

😔

[worn wave]

Yeah I have the same one but 1TB and you are going to have to pry it open

[little osprey]

What’d you use (if you opened it up)

[fading oyster]

try getting a little flathead and wedging it in between the gray and the black of it

[worn wave]

A spudger

[earnest olive]

mom's fingernail is the most powerful pry tool in the universe

[little osprey]

I would but she’s eating dinner

Also good for digging into your earlobes

Asian thing

[fading oyster]

or you could get pliers and lock down on the gray part and then just pull downwards

[little osprey]

Yank on your ears to get you to do stuff 😭

[little osprey]

True

ill experiment

no luck

End results: dents in the drive and sore fingers

i’m tempted to put a flathead tip in and get the hammer

split it open

[fading oyster]

ya that's what im thinking

just stick a flathead in the little crack

[little osprey]

Might absolutely destroy the case but oh well

[little osprey]

Doesn’t fit in there sadly

[fading oyster]

hammer it in just a little and then start going back and forth

dam rlly

[little osprey]

i’ll grab a heavy object to act as my hammer

don’t think mom will approve hammer and pc in same room

I think i’m making a hole in it

Every thing is okay.

[wheat coral]

no

[wicked frigate]

Guys what are some good selling apps

[wheat coral]

no do that

its a harddrive

dont hit it

[little osprey]

I was kidding on that part

i pried a bit open

[wheat coral]

using a screwdriver or pry tool is the best

just pry it open

[little osprey]

Lmfao i’m bending the metal case

there’s no way this case is being used again

watch there not be sata in it

[wheat coral]

lol

shouldnt be hard to put bac to gether cause you dont exactly need the hosuign

[little osprey]

Hosuign

?

my nail hurts like a 🏖️

this better be worth

[fading oyster]

depends whta you're trying to sell

[fading oyster]

what you trynna sell?

[little osprey]

oh 💩i can’t see a sata port

[peak ginkgo]

Uh oh

[fading oyster]

rip 🙏

[little osprey]

YES

[fading oyster]

no

wya

way

there's a sata port???????????!!!!!!!!!!

[vague oracle]

@little osprey Whatcha doin?

Ahh shucking

Love that

[little osprey]

Yup

I’m so happy

there’s sata

[fading oyster]

les goooooooo

[vague oracle]

I do it way too often lmao

[little osprey]

It’s fun

[vague oracle]

What drive did you get out of that one?

[little osprey]

this is pretty useful

[little osprey]

2tb sea gate slim or something

[vague oracle]

The SU800 ain’t that bad

I meant like the drive you got out of the one you shucked

[little osprey]

is it okay if i mount the hdd skewed

[little osprey]

this one

Like if my hdd isn’t upright 100%

[worn wave]

Yeah don't do that

[little osprey]

It’s 128gb lol

[vague oracle]

Oh nvm lmao

[little osprey]

That’s what i thought, gonna have to figure out what to do

probably remove the drive cage again

[worn wave]

Get it in a proper mount

[little osprey]

I don’t have screws

case didn’t come with any

oem

[vague oracle]

Damn

[little osprey]

so i’m just using cable tie for everything

fans and drives

all cable ties from past purchases

i’m almost out 💀

[fading oyster]

maybe string?

loose thread on your shirt?

[little osprey]

is 2 back to back hdd okay

[worn wave]

Are they touching each other

[little osprey]

They would be

No go then?

[worn wave]

You should not have HDDs running on top of each other due to vibrations and such

[plush wigeon]

lel. It only prevents me from talking in #general-chat

[little osprey]

Ah

i’m in a jam then

time to improvise

[worn wave]

Usually it is best to have HDDs in the proper mounts because of the vibrations and to prevent damage to them

It's better to be safe

[little osprey]

Well i don’t have any

Would buy but these have done me well so far

Two added intake fans and 2.5tb total hdd

to upgrade is nvme or ram then when those get old it’s time for new pc

found two hdd screws

only two were in the back of one of them

is this okay?

there’s a screw mounted hdd on the other side of the cage

metal is a bit less than 1mm thick

[worn wave]

You should have a rubber something separating the drive from the metal cage

[little osprey]

I just took it off as bdbehjwjdjfj

[worn wave]

Unless it's fine for a 2.5" drive

[little osprey]

the screw mounted one has the regular standoff

they’re both 2.5 inch

not millimeter

[worn wave]

Since it's a laptop drive it should be fine actually

[little osprey]

Built for the vibration ?

I have this but i literally just attached the drive bays back on to my case

[clever eagle]

i have that

[calm pecan]

anyone know a website where i can put in my pc parts to see what fps i will get on games?

[earnest olive]

just look up a benchmark

for your graphics card

and get a cpu that won't bottleneck it

problem solved

[potent portal]

Game-debate is ok at that, and if you own it 3dmark time spy can estimate for you too

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah looking at benches is best way

don't rely on ubm

it sucks, and is intel shill paradise

[potent portal]

Ubm is cancer

[earnest olive]

game debate doesn't seem to know what a 5800x or a 3080 is

[potent portal]

Ah needs to be updated then, oh well

[earnest olive]

nvm it does it just took a solid minute to load

[red dragon]

I was looking at processors... The i7 8700k beats out the i5 10400 and would cost way less because Id have to buy a new mobo too. Was I recommended the mobo upgrade for... Future upgrades?

[earnest olive]

if you already have a z370 mobo

just go 8700k

[potent portal]

In what way does the 8700k win?

[earnest olive]

if it's a good z370 anyways

my z370 extreme4 had vrm throttling with 8700k

[red dragon]

Oh no links here?

[potent portal]

No links till your name is green

[earnest olive]

gamedebate wants me to pay to see projected fps

[red dragon]

Ah. I see. Well on userbenchmarks it beats it out in all metrics

[potent portal]

It used to be only for above 1080p,did that change?

[obsidian wigeon]

that's..

kinda wrong

ubm is a mess

[potent portal]

Ubm is cancer

[earnest olive]

oh

it says 75 fps at 1080p ultra

yeah no

thats garbage

i get 150 at 1440p ultra

[obsidian wigeon]

Seems 8700k is indeed faster than 10400

[red dragon]

Ive got an azrock z170, the i7 8700k is compatible there no?

[earnest olive]

no

unless you mod it

[obsidian wigeon]

Just looked at passmark

Yeah, needs bios mod

[earnest olive]

more than bios mod

[obsidian wigeon]

oof

[earnest olive]

physical cpu mod

[obsidian wigeon]

Might as well just get 10400 tbh

[potent portal]

Faster at what? I still didn't get that answer

[obsidian wigeon]

And new mobo

[red dragon]

Nani? Should be compat

[earnest olive]

its not that hard though

[obsidian wigeon]

Single and multi thread

[red dragon]

Z170 works with gen 8 300 series. Is the 8700 not a 300?

[earnest olive]

it's not compatible

[obsidian wigeon]

^

300 series as in 300 series chipset

[potent portal]

It's "compatible" in the way that Intel added pins so that it wouldn't fit but it's still basically the same otherwise

[earnest olive]

eh it's not quite that simple

[red dragon]

Im really confused. This 8700 definitely says 300 series

[earnest olive]

i did a lot of research on this when i was planning to mod an 8700k into z370

[potent portal]

It's never that simple of course, but the only reason it doesn't work is intel says so

[red dragon]

Oh wait I see

Its 8700 not 8700k

[earnest olive]

...

no

neither are compatible

[obsidian wigeon]

It's same thing

[earnest olive]

idk what garbage site you looking at

[obsidian wigeon]

The non K is just locked

[earnest olive]

but it's wrong

[obsidian wigeon]

No oc

[earnest olive]

idk why people ask questions just to repeatedly argue with everyone who answers

[obsidian wigeon]

the classic trusting random site over people

[earnest olive]

hyperthreading over 8T was just recently fixed for some msi z170/z270 boards

so it wasn't really as easy as just intel saying no

[red dragon]

I'm just looking off of the azrock compat list \o/ wasnt trying to argue. I just dont understand

Im sorry...

[earnest olive]

show proof

[red dragon]

Supports 7th and 6th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors (Socket 1151)

*8th Gen Intel® Core™ desktop processors are supported with Intel® 300 Series chipset motherboards only

[earnest olive]

...

yeah

you dont have a 300 series chipset..

[obsidian wigeon]

That's what we were talking about

Z170 won't support 8th gen

[earnest olive]

170 doesn't start with 3

[obsidian wigeon]

yep

It has to be Z370

Or Z390

[red dragon]

Oh okay, I didnt realize it was talking about the mobo

[earnest olive]

well h310 b360 b365 exist

you won't have a good time putting an 8700K in one though

even a lot of z370 boards aren't very good

mobo manufacturers weren't

prepared for 6 core cpu to take over 250W

hit thermal throttling on z370 extreme4 vrms while the 8700k was chilling at 80c

[obsidian wigeon]

vrm go overheat

[red dragon]

Im just sad I gotta buy a new mobo to do any upgrading

[earnest olive]

110c vrms

you technically don't

if you mod the board and cpu

[obsidian wigeon]

the vrms won't handle it tho

unless you upgrade em? not sure if you could even upgrade vrms

[earnest olive]

depends

theres a z170 mobo with 20 phase

[obsidian wigeon]

hmm

that's interesting

[earnest olive]

imagine 20 phases for a quad core

lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

[earnest olive]

a little bit overkill

[red dragon]

Ive got the 10 phase model

Probably a no go on modding lol

[earnest olive]

phase count alone doesn't say much

could be 10 50A phases with anemic heatsinks

could be 10 90A phases with crazy heatsinks

the board i got vrm throttling with a 8700K on had 12 phases

[red dragon]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170 Pro4S/index.us.asp

[earnest olive]

yeah

i wouldnt stick an 8700k on that

my asrock z370 extreme4 couldnt oc it

that has no vrm heatsinks

lol

i wouldnt even put a 6700k on that

locked i5-7600 maybe

[red dragon]

Im going to be using an i5 6700

[earnest olive]

i7-6700 or i5-6600

[still roost]

ZackVee#3617 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[red dragon]

Oh.. Shoot you're right... 6600

[earnest olive]

yeah thats probably why people told you to go 10400

[red dragon]

Deduced before that the setup should be fine as long as In using the 1080p monitor. When I upgrade Ill have to make the switch

[earnest olive]

1080p actually places more load on cpu

[red dragon]

10400 just the best bang for buck rn?

[earnest olive]

i5-6600 falls below modern entry level

[obsidian wigeon]

11400 would be better

if in stock

but if you can't find one in stock, 10400 is not too shabby

[earnest olive]

i3 from 2 years ago chokeslames the i5-6600

[obsidian wigeon]

yeah

i mean it's even up there with 7700k

[earnest olive]

i3-10100 still loses to oc 7700k

[red dragon]

Its a step up from my phenom x II with the ghost fourth core

[obsidian wigeon]

ofc

[earnest olive]

not by much though

[obsidian wigeon]

stock vs stock, the 10100 is basically equal

10400 is better than a 3600

as in ryzen 5 ofc

[red dragon]

Think itd be worth finding a i5 locked 7600 like you were saying

To hold me over til I grab a new mobo... Monitor... And ram

[earnest olive]

nah

[red dragon]

And new cpu I guess

[earnest olive]

just sell the board

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[earnest olive]

get off of z170 asap

[red dragon]

I mean thats the idea just not in the budget

Itll have to do for a bit

[earnest olive]

used kaby lake isn't as cheap as you think it is

[obsidian wigeon]

it's overpriced

or way even

[red dragon]

The i5 is coming from a friend for free so...

[earnest olive]

you could have said that a lot earlier

[red dragon]

Sorry, didnt think it was relevant... Most of the setup was free from him

Managed to snag a 3060ti from the shuffle and had like 300 left in my pc budget

[earnest olive]

how much was the 3060ti

[red dragon]

Got the combo with a 750w psu for 608 total

[earnest olive]

thats good

some of the shuffle stuff is really overpriced

[red dragon]

I realize that leaves my system incredibly lopsided though

Yeah I got lucky on a good day

Still much better than the phenom x II though lmao

[earnest olive]

wait

why does this mobo have a molex connector on it

[potent portal]

That's where the 4 pin cpu connector goes on modern boards so I'd guess that

[earnest olive]

mm theres an 8 pin up there though

8 pin + molex for cpu power?

what a combination

[potent portal]

Alright you got me curious so I looked at the manual. It's labeled as PCIe power.

[earnest olive]

wack

[potent portal]

Yeah that's a really awkward place to run a molex. No way to manage that and you'll have a few other connectors visible unless you get an extension.

[earnest olive]

could be designed to run some odd pcie devices that need slot power

[supple thicket]

I'm building top tier AMD PC with an 5950. I'll likely have 2-4 GPUs. I selected 5 possible MBs. I plan to eventually water cool the CPU and GPUs. Any suggestions on the motherboard?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=13-145-331%2C13-144-259%2C13-119-110%2C13-119-362%2C13-119-111

[earnest olive]

since 24-pin should be enough for a gpu

given the name is "pro"

like how theres msi pro board with a PCI slot

[earnest olive]

4 gpus? threadripper

5950x doesn't have the pcie lanes

[supple thicket]

Oh really

[earnest olive]

you will bottleneck the hell out of them

i'm assuming this is not for gaming

[supple thicket]

It should be able to handle 2 RTX 3080s though, correct?
Will be used for graphics work, rendering...

[earnest olive]

not at full bandwidth

some X570 boards will let you run x8 each i think

[potent portal]

If you want the GPUs running in parallel and not independently, keep in mind only the 3090 can do that in current gen

[supple thicket]

Right...

[potent portal]

Is crossfire even a thing any more? I think it died around vega...

[earnest olive]

i think rendering should be able to use both without nvlink

but im not sure

i don't know a whole lot about these kinds of workloads

[potent portal]

It depends heavily on the program

You can always Google "program name" multi gpu support

[potent portal]

Lies
Gen4 x8 is plenty

[earnest olive]

it's not full

but yeah it's good

i was saying

4 gpus would be a problem

[potent portal]

Yeah 4 is a definite problem

[earnest olive]

3 would probably a problem as well, not sure how the system would divide lanes there

8 4 4?

[potent portal]

X570 doesn't have enough lanes for that without performance hit

[supple thicket]

i see

[potent portal]

Not to mention there's not really any boards that have more than 3 x16 slots

And only one I know of has 3 that can fit GPUs

[supple thicket]

Honestly, Id prolly only have 2...I really don't need 4

[potent portal]

8 8 8 probably on x570

8 4 4 B550

[earnest olive]

idk about gpu using chipset lanes

seems sus

[potent portal]

2 is easy

Any ATX board can do that really

[potent portal]

Put that Northbridge fan to work!

[frank stirrup]

can confirm

most x570 have 1 16x and 1 8x

[earnest olive]

will gpu lose performance using chipset lanes instead of cpu lanes?

[frank stirrup]

not by much at all

[potent portal]

Slightly higher latency but not noticeable

[earnest olive]

hmm

i think id still go threadripper

not exactly a budget system

[supple thicket]

I'll give that some though...Even though what I'm looking at is expensive, going threadripper will double it. Thanks for your guys thoughts.

[runic relic]

anyone reccomend any good L shaped desks? black or white, i have a mid tower.

[untold vessel]

What's good Gents

[untold stone]

Nun really

[jagged ember]

One of those Ikea ones

Also why is he getting 4-5 gpus in one pc

[worn wave]

Possibly Machine Learning?

[stoic chasm]

Hey, I had a quick question about switching storage. I assume that when I switch a hard drive to another computer that all my files on it will transfer over? I have most of my games on my hard drive and when I get my new pc I want to just switch my hard drive over.

[fossil cedar]

Yes but you will want to reinstall windows, you can use the keep my files option but i would heavily advice reinstall

Stops random crashes etc from happening

[obsidian wigeon]

If the drive isn't os drive

It's perfectly ok to just plop it in

[stoic chasm]

Ok. I am using windows.

[obsidian wigeon]

Might need to config steam library directory search n stuff

But that's it if the hdd isn't running any os

[stoic chasm]

My operating system will be installed on my ssd do I need it on my hard drive too??

[fossil cedar]

No, in that case i would clean install windows on the ssd then just copy over any files you need from your old drive

[stoic chasm]

Ik that... I've already had to do that once

[stoic chasm]

Ok great. Thanks

[obsidian wigeon]

ye

I have been thru a few win reinstalls myself

With hdd for data n games left alone, no problems

[cursive moth]

hi, i am wondering if someone have a good part list for 1000 dollars

[fossil cedar]

Do you mind getting a prebuilt?

[cursive moth]

i would like a customm one

[stoic island]

get 3060 or 3060ti for <500$ then come back

or 6600xt

[cursive moth]

ok then

[fossil cedar]

Or 6700xt for under 500

But that would require good bit of luck lol

[little osprey]

Gaming? content creation?

What is the use case here

[ripe relic]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Yaboy2412/saved/#view=2BWZJx how many usb slots does this gave?

have*

[worn wave]

Case has 2 USB 3.0 ports

So 8 USB 3.0 or greater ports

[ripe relic]

so i can plug in my mic, my mouse, and my keyboard?

[earnest olive]

I swear some people just want everything handed to them without even trying

how many USB ports do 3 devices take?

is it greater than 8???

???? :D

[fossil cedar]

9

[earnest olive]

oh you're right 😳

my keyboard has become hydra

cut off 1 USB cable 2 more spawn in its place

[untold stone]

😟

[stoic island]

to be fair, the keyboard and mouse could both be ps/2, and the mic could be XLR :p
(non-usb things)

[serene pulsar]

Need some help

Getting a Lian Li ii Mesh Case

[stoic island]

and..?

[earnest olive]

I don't think they'd be asking about the usb ports then

also I see ps/2 there 👁️

xlr to usb exists

[stoic island]

that's why I said could both

but yea

ps/2 to usb does too afaik

[serene pulsar]

I can’t figure out if I am able to fit a Cooler Master 360 RGB cooler up top or if I should just do individual fans on top and on bottom

[earnest olive]

that's a ps/2 combo jack

you can get a ps/2 combo jack splitter

[earnest olive]

google case name

[stoic island]

lancool ii mesh can't fit 360mm aio top

[earnest olive]

go to website

[stoic island]

it's sad

[earnest olive]

look at radiator support

[stoic island]

td500 mesh does

p500a does

[serene pulsar]

That’s what I thought

[earnest olive]

my 360 aio looks tiny in my case

👁️

[serene pulsar]

Gosh darn it

The case looked so nice with so much customization options

24 TB capability too

[earnest olive]

24tb storage is not hard to fit in most cases

[serene pulsar]

I mean I can go for individual fans just really wanted to fit 360

[stoic island]

24tb is p simple for most cases

[earnest olive]

you can do 26tb in 1 ssd and 1 hdd

pretty much every case ever fits that

there are some mobos that can fit 24tb of pure m.2 ssd with no drive bays

[stoic island]

ye, 2 3.5in drives and you can do 36tb max

[serene pulsar]

Lian Li tends to be the favored case in most builds I see

That’s why

[earnest olive]

mobo with 3 m.2 slots

put 8tb ssd in each one

ez clap

[serene pulsar]

I would’ve gotten Fractal Design Meshify C but no RGB

[stoic island]

td500 mesh

p500a

:p

[earnest olive]

who cares about brand man

I have a lian li case but I bought it cause I like it not cause I like lian li

[stoic island]

wasn't team working on like a 16tb m.2 ssd?

[earnest olive]

I covered the lian li logo in it

perhaps

I dunno

[stoic island]

oh nvm it's a 16tb 2.5in drive

[earnest olive]

sad

[still roost]

JumpinDanny#8313 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stoic island]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08SQLNHC8

[serene pulsar]

@stoic island that td500 looks sick af

Never seen that

[stoic island]

td500 mesh is neat

uhhhhhhh

basically every time someone asks for case suggestion

I say td500 mesh

[serene pulsar]

What’s the negatives

It’s so cheap and good looking

There has to be something

Can that hold

The 360 rgb

[stoic island]

yes

it's a bit tight, but it fits as long as you don't have thicc ram

[serene pulsar]

Can I also do bottom fans with it?

I was just going to do 4x8 sticks of Ram

[little osprey]

td500 is awesome

[stoic island]

as long as you don't get wacky ram like vegeance rgb

you're fine

[little osprey]

vengeance sucks

[serene pulsar]

Nah

[stoic island]

height of ram doesn't matter, it's some ram sticks that are wide for some reason

[serene pulsar]

Thinking g skill neo

Or crucial ballistix

[little osprey]

in my book vengeance sucks

ballistix

[serene pulsar]

Either or

[stoic island]

ye

oh yea the front fan mounts in td500 mesh are a bit weird, they use pins instead of screws to make it look nice, but you likely won't be replacing the front fans anyways so doesn't really matter

[serene pulsar]

I mean for my appearance appeal neo looks nicer

[earnest olive]

360mm aio isn't really tight in the td500 mesh

[serene pulsar]

I haven’t checked comparison on those two

[earnest olive]

I only have one big downside to say from owning a td500 mesh for a while

[serene pulsar]

What’s that sprout

[earnest olive]

the bearings in the stock fans make clicking noises at low rpm

so you cannot do a truly silent build in the td500 mesh without replacing the included fans

[stoic island]

been told by someone that thicker radiators don't easily fit if you have wide ram

[earnest olive]

and the bottom fan is stupid

[serene pulsar]

Most included fans I would replace on builds

[earnest olive]

uses plastic push pins instead of screws

so hard to take out

[stoic island]

although they did buy vengeance rgb so their aptitude at pc building is questionable

[serene pulsar]

Okay so I might sound stupid asking but

[earnest olive]

I ran ripjaws v and ballistix in my td500 mesh with a top mounted 360

no problems there

[stoic island]

yea but neither of those are wide

[earnest olive]

yeah but they're better than corsair poop

[serene pulsar]

Can a case fit 360 on top, 2,3 fans on bottom and then that one that like is next to the mobo

[stoic island]

you see how the heatsink doesn't hang off what is basically the edges of the pcb of the ram?

[earnest olive]

few cases have bottom fan mounts

[stoic island]

vegeance is slightly wider

[little osprey]

o11

[serene pulsar]

what is the fan that is next to the mobo

[earnest olive]

maybe try lian li dynamic o11 xl if you want it to support what you said

[little osprey]

exhaust?

[earnest olive]

rear exhaust?

[serene pulsar]

It’s on the left side

[earnest olive]

o11 doesn't support rear exhaust cameron

[little osprey]

yea

[earnest olive]

only o11 xl does

[serene pulsar]

Takes up the left up Connor

Corner*

[little osprey]

O

[stoic island]

I swear people always get confused at pc case terminogy

[earnest olive]

connor

who's connor

did you name your pc that

[serene pulsar]

🤦‍♂️

[stoic island]

corner

[little osprey]

The left one

[earnest olive]

😳

is there a right connor

[serene pulsar]

bro I said corner*

[little osprey]

Left connor not right connor

[serene pulsar]

Holy

[little osprey]

💩

[serene pulsar]

Okay so

[earnest olive]

I knew a guy in high school named connor

cool guy

[serene pulsar]

Can the

BRO

chill

[earnest olive]

we're just having fun

[serene pulsar]

xd ik im just stressed

[little osprey]

Let a bro grill

[serene pulsar]

I can’t figure all this stuff out

[earnest olive]

like I said

[little osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/clean-grill-grates-gif-15179926

[earnest olive]

you are probably looking for a lian li o11 dynamic xl

if you want all those fans

[little osprey]

These look amazing

[earnest olive]

it supports 10 fans

[serene pulsar]

Now I’m stressed and hungry oh boy

[little osprey]

i could use some grilled meat and veggies rn

😆

[serene pulsar]

10 fans dang

Is it mesh?

[little osprey]

o11?

o11 is glass

[earnest olive]

kind of

[little osprey]

back is mesh ish i think

[earnest olive]

the bottom and side intakes draw through ventilation holes and a dust filter

top exhaust same

[serene pulsar]

So if you install all your fans then you wouldn’t need all the mesh?

[earnest olive]

the front panel is glass with no fans

[little osprey]

you gotta do the fans right or your o11 is going to be a hot mess

[earnest olive]

it's supposed to look like a display case

[little osprey]

It kinda is'

[serene pulsar]

“Gotta do it right” (telling a first builder with no clue)

[earnest olive]

here's mine

[little osprey]

Sips has a sick pc

[serene pulsar]

I want that

What the heck

[earnest olive]

I have the normal version not the XL version so I can't put a fan in the left connor

[little osprey]

i mean you'd put a display there anyways

[earnest olive]

true

[serene pulsar]

I like the anime aesthetic

[earnest olive]

not like my temps are a problem

[little osprey]

-1c 🥶

[serene pulsar]

Not sure how people are always doing that

[earnest olive]

it's genshin themed not anime

[little osprey]

Pro pc builder thats why

[earnest olive]

I designed the laser engraved gpu support myself

[serene pulsar]

Oops🤷‍♂️

[earnest olive]

the piece on the aio cover was a gift from the gf

[serene pulsar]

I dont even play genshin

I3 laptop can’t run

[little osprey]

The Gf

[serene pulsar]

😫

[earnest olive]

I played genshin just fine on my laptop's integrated graphics

[little osprey]

mx130

:)))

[earnest olive]

55 fps gaming

[stoic island]

took me way too long but this is how to call fan placements

[serene pulsar]

Oh shoot

[earnest olive]

o11 non-xl has no rear fan mount

[little osprey]

How long did you spend doing thta

[serene pulsar]

Hold up bruh I knew this

😂😂

[earnest olive]

most cases do not have bottom or side fans

[serene pulsar]

Other then the exhaust thing

[stoic island]

ye, it's a general chart, o11 was just the first case that came up into my mind that has bottom and side

[earnest olive]

my old pc

no bottom or side mounts

just the traditional ones

[stoic island]

mhm

[serene pulsar]

Bro what the actual

[fossil cedar]

Jokes on you my keeb has a passthrough

[serene pulsar]

How is it so pretty

[earnest olive]

it used to be nicer

but I took stuff out

[serene pulsar]

The psu is on the bottom right

Is that custom

[earnest olive]

that was the pic I told to sell it

psu is on the bottom in most modern cases

o11 has it behind the motherboard

[stoic island]

the psu is in the bottom at the back in most cases

psu shroud is fairly common in cases

[earnest olive]

many older cases and modern budget cases have them on the top