building-and-recc-chat

[jagged ember]

Big speed good, small timing good

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-kid-computer-thumbs-up-face-gif-9548945

[fossil cedar]

Smol*

[frank stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-agree-yup-nod-gif-14017499

[jagged ember]

U rite

[frank stirrup]

wideus y u rong

baf

[jagged ember]

Am no look my data can't load website

[untold vessel]

hold up, I'm going to be honest with you chief, I don't know tf OCing even is, I just know that basically OC = Make Big Computer Heat Fire for More Speedies

[frank stirrup]

bruh

[jagged ember]

Wait so

[untold vessel]

you're telling me we can OC multiple components

[frank stirrup]

MASSIVE bruh

[untold vessel]

SORRY LOL

[jagged ember]

Are you getting it to learn how to oc?

[still roost]

Ceraso#6075 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[untold vessel]

Oop

Sorry

[fossil cedar]

Ok lemme make you a new list, oc isn't exactly easy, takes a lot of time

[frank stirrup]

BRUHHHHHH

[untold vessel]

WAIT NONONON

[jagged ember]

Or are you just

[untold vessel]

NO NEW LIST

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[frank stirrup]

bruh

[untold vessel]

I'LL FIGURE IT OUT

AHHH

[jagged ember]

No new list

[frank stirrup]

bruhhhh

[jagged ember]

It'll take you so long

[frank stirrup]

my brian cant

[untold vessel]

WAIT WILL THIS NEW LIST MAKE MY SPECS BAD

[frank stirrup]

aaaaaa

[jagged ember]

To learn how to oc

[frank stirrup]

helb

[fossil cedar]

If you don't wanna oc i can make better list

[frank stirrup]

hsjhsjhsj

i die

[untold vessel]

So like who's going to teach me how to OC my power supply

[jagged ember]

[untold vessel]

xD

[frank stirrup]

i want to die

[untold vessel]

I had to

[zealous cedar]

Just connect a car battery to your pc

[jagged ember]

Dude if you aren't actually going to OC

[untold vessel]

Ayo who's tryna teach me how to OC thermal paste

[jagged ember]

You need to say so

[frank stirrup]

I really really do

wideus kil me

plis

i pay

[jagged ember]

You spend more money on parts that have potentially good overclocking headroom

[untold vessel]

Wait hold on, so, If I'm actually not going to OC, will that build be total bonkers?

[fossil cedar]

[jagged ember]

Doesn't mean their stock performance is better

[untold vessel]

[jagged ember]

It's better only after you apply oc to it

[untold vessel]

But yes, fr, is this true

[jagged ember]

No

[untold vessel]

hmmmm

[jagged ember]

Itll be basically the same as the build Pato is making right now

[untold vessel]

I seeeeeeeeeeee

But without ocing

[jagged ember]

Because you will not oc the parts

[frank stirrup]

worse

[untold vessel]

Yeah I figured

[jagged ember]

Well not much worse

[frank stirrup]

you underestimate the premiere pato

[jagged ember]

It won't be abysmally worse

[untold vessel]

If I want to get that kind of performance with STOCK parts, won't my cost go up to like $10,000?

[jagged ember]

Wha

[untold vessel]

well more like $3,000 but yknow what I mean?

[frank stirrup]

@fossil cedar autocorrect keeps changing ur name to patio lol

[untold vessel]

Or do I know so little that I don't even know which questions to ask

[jagged ember]

Am confuse

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

Lmao

[untold vessel]

well darn it

[frank stirrup]

pato change nickname to patio or bad

[untold vessel]

hold on

Hold on peepe

peeps*

So If I OC, and ONLY if I OC, that build will be good

[jagged ember]

Wait doesn't building an oc capable pc mean you need to oc it to get the full performance out of it?

Full perf as in the maximum amount the silicon will allow

[untold vessel]

Does OCing lessen my PC's lifespan? Is OCing NOT actually just pressing a few buttons on a monitor, basically like "Do you consent to allowing your parts to go above factory allowed rates of eletricity? --?

[jagged ember]

No, not from what I know of it

[untold vessel]

Do you physically have to go into your PC components and mess around with wires?

like the mini wires inside the components?

Is that why it is so hard to OC

-?

[jagged ember]

It involves testing many different frequencies and voltages in the bios and testing for stability by running stress tests

Sometimes down to each mv or mhz

[fossil cedar]

@untold vessel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LpWwdD

Or you can go 16gb personal preference

[jagged ember]

In short

[untold vessel]

Yeah!

[jagged ember]

It takes days

[untold vessel]

I found this

Overclock in the BIOS: You’ll need to go into your computer’s BIOS and increase the CPU clock rate and/or voltage. Increase it by a small amount, then boot your computer. See if the system is stable — run a demanding benchmark like Prime95 to simulate heavy use and monitor your computer’s temperature to make sure the cooling is good enough. If it’s stable, try increasing it a little bit more and then run another test to ensure the PC is stable. Increase the amount you’re overclocking by bit by bit until it becomes unstable or the heat is too much, then drop back down to a stable level. Overclock little by little to ensure it’s stable, don’t just increase your CPU’s speed by a large amount at once.

[fossil cedar]

Ram oc takes weaks

And oc only gets you a small difference in perf

[jagged ember]

Oof ram oc

[untold vessel]

Oh I don't mind weeks

[jagged ember]

Sips cries in pain

[fossil cedar]

Ocing isn't really worth your time unless you wanna do as a hobby

[untold vessel]

If I am spending $1500 on minecraft then goddarnit I have a few weeks

[jagged ember]

If you don't mind literal days spent staring at a screen

Adjusting nukners one by one

[untold vessel]

Hobby? What do you mean? Is OCing and testing out which specs work the hobby, or is getting better perforance everyday the hobby?

[untold vessel]

oh GOD that's what you meant

[jagged ember]

And sitting around waiting for your pc to bluescreen or something

[untold vessel]

whewwwww

[jagged ember]

Sure

[untold vessel]

oHHH

oh damn

hm, this is a lot to think about

[jagged ember]

It's a LOT of work

Im not willing to do so bye ocing

[untold vessel]

AHHH @fossil cedar

Pato, I need those Crispy Intel 750 Integrated Graphics that come with the 11600

[jagged ember]

That's got the best igpu iirc

[untold vessel]

I listed the 3070 as "purchased" not because I have it yet, but because I WILL have it, in, I suppose, a year or 2, or even, by then, the 4070 will come out, and that'll be a new story entirely

[jagged ember]

Just wait for 4000 series

I'm doing that

[untold vessel]

I figured

[jagged ember]

They already confirmed Lovelace lol

[untold vessel]

So, it is the current best iGPU?

[jagged ember]

Unless ofc you desperately require a gpu right now

[untold vessel]

What's lovelace?

[jagged ember]

Codename for new gpu gen

[untold vessel]

Nah, I don't mind waiting lol

ah good

Lovelace op

[jagged ember]

Best igpu is the uhd 750 iirc

[untold vessel]

Yeppers it is

[jagged ember]

Or is it the intel iris xe graphics in laptops?

[untold vessel]

uhhh

[jagged ember]

Idk, am not smort

[untold vessel]

OK BOYS WE'RE GETTING A LAPTOP INSTEAD

[jagged ember]

I only exist to give you segues to our sponsor

[untold vessel]

RAID: SHADOW LEGENDS

[fossil cedar]

Getting better hardware is like the same price and easier lmao

[clever eagle]

raid shadow legends

[untold vessel]

my MAN

[untold vessel]

YEEE

[untold vessel]

Ah, so should I go with your most recent link?

[jagged ember]

Most recent is best

Cause he made it most recently

[untold vessel]

So should I not go back to the 32GB 4000mhz?

[jagged ember]

Unless you actually wanna oc

[untold vessel]

nah nah no OC

Plug & play is the way for me, since this is my first build

[jagged ember]

Honestly I wish I could see the build

[untold vessel]

I literally gave myself a crash course into the world of PCs in like 3 days total

[jagged ember]

But I'm having trouble even sending a message

So

[untold vessel]

I need the Intel 750 UHD graphics for the build, I'm waiting for the 4000 series GPUs

Thank goodness, Patpat's back

[fossil cedar]

Wait you don't got 3070 already, lemme make new list

[untold vessel]

AH

[fossil cedar]

Not on ryzen

[jagged ember]

Geez

[untold vessel]

okokokok

I trust father pato

[jagged ember]

Pato working overtime today

[untold vessel]

yes he is

we should pay him ffs

[fossil cedar]

Also ehh you probs aint getting 3070 for 600

[untold vessel]

What a good guy

[fossil cedar]

XD

Thanks

[jagged ember]

600 is p lucky price

[untold vessel]

Yep! By the time the GPU market calms down, the 10,000 series will be out lol

[jagged ember]

700-800 feels more like current market on a very good day

[untold vessel]

It'll be nice laughing back on this very conversation with all of you in 5 years or so

[jagged ember]

If we survive, yes

Laugh we will

While I tell you about our sponsor

[untold vessel]

NORD: VPN

[jagged ember]

PIA

[untold vessel]

LMFAO

YESSSS

[fossil cedar]

Nah 4000 will be tho

[untold vessel]

THAT CRISPY LIST IS DONE

Oh

yeah 4000 OP

[jagged ember]

Pato arrival
https://c.tenor.com/pYot0ytiscsAAAAM/arrival.gif

[untold vessel]

I can just imagine it

4k is the new 144p

[jagged ember]

Nice low data gif

[untold vessel]

"What, your gpu doesn't connect directly into your brain? What kind of peasant joke is this?"

[jagged ember]

'is this some sort of peasant joke I'm too rich to understand?'

[fossil cedar]

@untold vessel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nB9vXb

Or if you can get can ballistix 3600 for a bit more

[untold vessel]

NVIDIA Starts selling Bionics eyes that let you see 64,000K because Human eyes can only see 4,000K\

[jagged ember]

List appears

[fossil cedar]

Eyes don't see in resolution ;-;

[untold vessel]

Hold up

Pato, can you make a list with 32 GBs, I can splurge a little bit

Also, what's the difference between the MSI and SeaSonic power supplies? I read that the MSI one is "Fully Modular", which I don't know the definition of yet-- is it better?

[clever eagle]

i need bionic eyes
when release

[tacit grove]

hi

[fossil cedar]

Okay

@untold vessel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GXWwdD

If you don't mind spending more get this instead https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F8C9kX

[clever eagle]

hmm

[untold vessel]

Gotcha! Also, about the PSUs, what should I do with the Seasonic vs MSI thing? MSI says its fully modular? What does that mean?

[fossil cedar]

Fully modular just means the cables can be detached, both are modular tho, both good seasonic just on sale

[untold vessel]

oop got it

[clever eagle]

these are worse than my 3200mhz timings when i OC to 3733

[untold vessel]

Which one is better? MSI is $0.04 cheaper too

Bob's back!

Hey Bob!

[sand falcon]

Not ass, just that the mp34 is better

[untold vessel]

Lots of conversation going around

[clever eagle]

a

[untold vessel]

Ah, that's what you meant, but, in which ways?

[fossil cedar]

Uuh it's like 30$ less

30$ mail in rebate

[untold vessel]

Can't do mail ins

[fossil cedar]

24$ off with promo code 86WK3BTS82

[fossil cedar]

Why not?

Sad

[jagged ember]

Sequential r/w better with mp34 iirc

[untold vessel]

well okay okay how do I do it for dummies explained

[jagged ember]

It's got actual dram instead of using system ram

Idk about endurance or anything tho

[fossil cedar]

Uhhh they send you a form with your package, you fill it out, send it back and they send you 30$

[untold vessel]

oh neat, I'll take it then

[untold vessel]

So in short do MSI?

[fossil cedar]

Cool

[fossil cedar]

Huh? The seasonic focus comes to 65 if you do mir

[clever eagle]

whats with the ram? 3600mhz cl18

[untold vessel]

oh oh oh got them twisted my bad

[clever eagle]

does it even matter going past 3200mhz on intel builds

?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah? Saving money option, i said if they can spend more to get the 4000mhz cl18 kit

[fossil cedar]

Yes especially for igpus

[clever eagle]

true

[jagged ember]

I have learned intel likes more faster rams

[clever eagle]

oh ok

[untold vessel]

OKAY DOKE, Final Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F8C9kX

What do you guys think

Build, rn?

[jagged ember]

This message isn't sending damn

Oh there

[clever eagle]

lol

[jagged ember]

If it's a Pato list it's good

[untold vessel]

Should I get a better Case?

It's a pato list indeed

[jagged ember]

What case is it?

[untold vessel]

p360

[fossil cedar]

Glkd

[jagged ember]

P400A digital?

360 is a lil cramped but

It's good still

[untold vessel]

or should I upgrade to he p400 for $10 more

[fossil cedar]

If you want p400a digital but was trying to bring closest to 1500

[untold vessel]

wait wait wait should I get the p400

or even p500

[jagged ember]

Bit more room to work in for p400a digital

[fossil cedar]

P400a should be g ye

[untold vessel]

we don't know how big the 4000 series cards will be

should I get a big case just in "case"?

[fossil cedar]

Just more vertical room, same horizontal

[jagged ember]

Ye

Not that much more too

[untold vessel]

Ah

okokok

So

Which case should I get

[jagged ember]

Both good

[untold vessel]

which best

[jagged ember]

Idk

Ask gn lol

He recommended both

Airflow and stuff is the same in both iirc

[untold vessel]

wideus

[jagged ember]

It's just about the price and slight reduction in height

[untold vessel]

whats da dedodated awount of wam i-shuold add to sevrer

[fossil cedar]

Both pretty similar up to you

[jagged ember]

At least 2

[untold vessel]

I have no knowledge of what's good please help xd

[fossil cedar]

Both p360a and p400a good

[jagged ember]

Do u want tiny bit cheaper case that tiny bit smaller

[untold vessel]

ok ok ok fine I'll break my no aesthetics rule

[jagged ember]

Or tiny bit larger case for bit more money

[untold vessel]

Which one looks more FLEX

[jagged ember]

Both

[untold vessel]

gosh danr it

[fossil cedar]

^

[jagged ember]

Lol

[untold vessel]

how baout them compared to the p500

[jagged ember]

It comes down to what I sent above

[untold vessel]

speaking of acutally what's the most expensive case on pc part picker

[jagged ember]

P500 expensive iirc

[untold vessel]

one sec i check

[fossil cedar]

They look the same just smaller version of each other

P500a like 139

[jagged ember]

Same perf basically

[clever eagle]

you people type fast

[untold vessel]

ty

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kachow-cars-lightning-mc-queen-pixar-disney-gif-5931942

[clever eagle]

im like the 2nd slowest typer in history

[fossil cedar]

Well p500a perf better, 3 140mm fans and bigger so moar room for air

Skience

[untold vessel]

someone wanna tell me wtf this is

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BkyV3C/thermaltake-level-20-atx-full-tower-case-ca-1j9-00f9wn-00

this case is more expensive than my whole damn igpu build

[jagged ember]

O ic

Haven't seen gn p500 review lol

[peak ginkgo]

Looks like one of those RVs with compartments that expand outwards once you park

[jagged ember]

They just looked the same so I assumed

[fossil cedar]

🤮🤮🤮

[clever eagle]

yes

[untold vessel]

SHREK? WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? WHY ARE YOU COMING TOWARDS ME-- MMMPHGHHH--!!!?!?!!

[fossil cedar]

Pg13 bruh

[clever eagle]

umm

[untold vessel]

fixed

[fossil cedar]

No lmao

[peak ginkgo]

This, lol

[untold vessel]

made it more ambiguous

BRO XD

[sand falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-18805247

[clever eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-cheems-dog-bonk-anvil-gif-17177815

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-gif-20497939

[fossil cedar]

[clever eagle]

yes

[untold vessel]

OKAY BOYS

FINAL BUILD, YES OR NO: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9ky37X

[clever eagle]

perhaps

cooler go brr

[fossil cedar]

I set the 3070 to 700 for a reason but yeah

Thing is

[untold vessel]

wait why

[fossil cedar]

Technically you can get 600$ 3070

But shortage tarrifs

[untold vessel]

Basically just pretend it's a 4070

[fossil cedar]

700$ basically new msrp

Ahh

[untold vessel]

Not going to get a 3070

yep

4070 for me

Wait guys

I need all of your help

[clever eagle]

no it cost 69420
$1400

[untold vessel]

on a huge vote

[clever eagle]

ok

[clever eagle]

with what

[untold vessel]

This PC is going to be expensive for me, So I can only purchase 1 component at a time. No, I'm not joking, I'm literally rationing my money to slowly buy it piece by piece. My question to ALL of you is, Which component should I buy first? (think market prices going up and down / special deals and offers ended, etc. et.c)

[sand falcon]

Don't

You risk doa parts if you buy one component at a time

[untold vessel]

doa?

(what's doa?)

[sand falcon]

Dead on arrival

[untold vessel]

wait what

well won't that happen if I buy all at once anywho?

Or what am I not seeing here specifically

[sand falcon]

Yes, but you'll be able to tell that they're doa

[untold vessel]

ah because I am putting them together

[sand falcon]

Yes

[untold vessel]

aha, I see

well can't I just claim a refund for any part once I put it together

plain and simple?

[sand falcon]

Depends

[untold vessel]

I don't mind waiting extra days for returns etc

[sand falcon]

How far apart are you purchasing everything?

[untold vessel]

1 part per month

sometimes 2 parts IF cheap

[sand falcon]

No way you'll be able to return them then

[untold vessel]

total spending, $200 per month, with wiggle room

well wait wait wait

lets thin

think

[fossil cedar]

Yeah just buy all together

[untold vessel]

the case first, that's #1

[fossil cedar]

Also you will want to redo the list buy then

[untold vessel]

1 part down

[sand falcon]

Maybe if you get them from Amazon, but even then...

[untold vessel]

redo the list?

[fossil cedar]

Prices change, the psu will probs be overpriced by that time etc

[sand falcon]

Yup

[jagged ember]

Yeah if you're buying

[fossil cedar]

Not worth it anyway

[jagged ember]

Buy it all

One at a time isn't gonna work out for you

They already said why so

[sand falcon]

Yup

[jagged ember]

I won't reiterate

[untold vessel]

The problem is, I kind of have to buy them 1 at a time in order to get it

[jagged ember]

Just save up and when u got enough, come back for another list

[sand falcon]

Just set aside the money that you would have spent each month

[jagged ember]

That's what my friend did

[untold vessel]

what if I were to get the case and the psu first, boom, I can check if the psu works because it'll power the case's fans. 2 down.

next, I get the cpu, cpu cooler, and mobo. plug those in, if they work, boom, 5 total down,

then, ram and ssd, self explanatory, most risky ones, check?

[jagged ember]

Now he's waiting for shipping

[untold vessel]

what do you guys think

[jagged ember]

And then I hjelp build

[untold vessel]

or still, absolute no go?

[jagged ember]

You

Cant check like that

[sand falcon]

You can't power case fans off a PSU

[untold vessel]

sorry guys, still new to this

[sand falcon]

They also don't draw anywhere near enough power

[jagged ember]

Parts working tgt means you need to see it enter the boot thing on the monitor

[untold vessel]

darn it

yeah that makes sense

[jagged ember]

That's when it works

[untold vessel]

need all of them to make the monitor work, eh?

[jagged ember]

Mm

[untold vessel]

w e l p

[jagged ember]

Well not the case

[sand falcon]

Buy it all at once, there's not really any other way

[untold vessel]

see you guys in 5 months lmfao

[jagged ember]

You can run it just kinda

[untold vessel]

this is a bruh moment

[jagged ember]

Sitting on not carpet

[sand falcon]

You can buy the GPU later if you really need to

[jagged ember]

And that too

[untold vessel]

yeah I'm buying a 4000 series

so no case no gpu

just the main 6

[clever eagle]

yes you can
not alone though

[jagged ember]

Gotta short the start pins Everytime u wanna boot up tho

[untold vessel]

the woo ha what now

[jagged ember]

Lil annoying but

[untold vessel]

ic

oh

no burrrr

[jagged ember]

It's fine

[peak ginkgo]

You minus well wait for Alder Lake to drop later this year to get the CPU, mobo, and RAM since DDR5 will debut with
Alder Lake (12th gen Intel)

[jagged ember]

Won't need to if u get a case tho

[sand falcon]

Two pins on the motherboard, take a butter knife and stick it between them

[jagged ember]

Or a knife knife

But don't slice the mobo

That's bad for it

[sand falcon]

Or a spoon

[jagged ember]

YES

[sand falcon]

Anything metal

[peak ginkgo]

A spork

[sand falcon]

A fpoon

[jagged ember]

It's a fpoon

[peak ginkgo]

Spork

[jagged ember]

Dangit

https://c.tenor.com/ZH64iBSZ2hwAAAAM/keyandpeele-key.gif

[sand falcon]

No infinite, it's called a fpoon

[untold vessel]

wait that's genis

genius*

[clever eagle]

spork

[untold vessel]

LETS GOOO, DDR5 RAM, 12 GEN CPUs, Z600 MOBOS, 4000 SERIES GPU, CHEAPER STORAGE, BETTER PSUS, AND SURELY WATER COOLERS WILL BE EVEN MORE MAINSTREAM BY THEN

yeah ok I'll wait

looks like AAA games can be on standby

[clever eagle]

prob
not sure about psu tho

[sand falcon]

Water coolers are mainstream

[jagged ember]

Just come back with patos latest build

[untold vessel]

i mean like mainstream maintream

[sand falcon]

Yeah?

[untold vessel]

and ask him to redo it with the new gen stuff?

[jagged ember]

They are mainstream thi

[untold vessel]

like as in so mainstream that air coolers are obsolete

[jagged ember]

Aircooling for people who don't care Abt look and wanna save money.

[sand falcon]

Can't wait to spend early adopter task on ddr5

[jagged ember]

Lol

I'll still be here with my ddr4

But I got it on my gpu

So

[untold vessel]

I need that crispy ddr9000

[sand falcon]

Try more like 12800

[untold vessel]

4 x 1 TB RAM

nonono 4 x 1 PB RAM

[sand falcon]

That's a no

[untold vessel]

xD

[clever eagle]

what

[untold vessel]

all of human data isn't even collectively 1 PB yet

[clever eagle]

yes it is

[jagged ember]

I'm pretty sure it is

[sand falcon]

What?

[untold vessel]

we're making jokes about future predictions about ram

[jagged ember]

Linus already moved beyond their petabyte server

[clever eagle]

oh ok

[sand falcon]

That's like the amount of data generated in a second

[jagged ember]

Like years ago

[sand falcon]

Human data is up in the YB

[untold vessel]

my bad my bad I meant YB

[jagged ember]

Yeetbytes

[untold vessel]

4 x 64 YB RAM sticks

[clever eagle]

yottabytes o rsomething

[untold vessel]

JUSTTTTTT maybe enough to play COD at 7 fps

[sand falcon]

I don't think that's possible

[jagged ember]

Yttriumbytes

[untold vessel]

yeah maybe 4 fps is more like it

[sand falcon]

There's a limit to how dense storage can be

[clever eagle]

well guess we are going to be using brains as storage

[untold vessel]

wdym? in what way?

[sand falcon]

Every bit needs at least a handful of atoms

[jagged ember]

Even qbits do

[untold vessel]

oh god, that's right!

how in the world can we ever get smaller

gotta unlock new physics before we get there

[sand falcon]

We're getting close to the point that we can't

[jagged ember]

One would say we're close to peaking

[untold vessel]

it's true

[sand falcon]

Theoretical minimum size of a traditional silicon transistor is 5nm

[fossil cedar]

Uhhh you would need to buy a molex to pwm adapter and then you would need to short the psu would be a big pita, why are you so enthusiastic to buy 1 at a time

[untold vessel]

Is that why all this talk about quantum computers is coming up?

[jagged ember]

3nm is a lie

Qbits still need atoms to store data with

[fossil cedar]

[untold vessel]

Yeahhhh you're right, I'll just buy all at one

[sand falcon]

Because quantum computers are the future

[jagged ember]

They sure are

[untold vessel]

I sincerely love were this chat goes everyday

[fossil cedar]

Waiter coolers are mainstream, they're not gonna get much cheaper tho lol

[clever eagle]

:/

[untold vessel]

F

[fossil cedar]

I mean you can get a 240mm arctic liq for like 80$

[clever eagle]

280mm?

[jagged ember]

100 something

Iirc

[untold vessel]

my GOD entanglement is cool

If any of you want a cool article here you go: https://www.ibm.com/quantum-computing/what-is-quantum-computing/

[clever eagle]

entanglement of what

oh

[clever eagle]

cheap

usa is cheap

how

this thing costs like around 50% more

[peak ginkgo]

What?

[clever eagle]

im in au

everything = expensive

[peak ginkgo]

Got you. They cost more since everything has to be shipped to you

[clever eagle]

3080 $700 usd
more like 1150 aud

now its 1799

[fossil cedar]

Tax and currency conversion as well as different economies etc etc

[fossil cedar]

That's not MSRP tho

You can't compare msrp to non msrp bruh

[clever eagle]

1159 msrp

[fossil cedar]

Yeah

[clever eagle]

it shouldnt be that expensive

[fossil cedar]

950 aud + TAX

Us prices dont include tax ;-;

[clever eagle]

i hate tax

[fossil cedar]

I also hate having roads, healthcare etc etc

[clever eagle]

true

[clever eagle]

we have a medicare levy for healthcare

and some roads have tolls

[fossil cedar]

So

Majority of roads free

[clever eagle]

no

[fossil cedar]

Still gotta pay for schools, police etc

[clever eagle]

i hate the fact that the tax rate is high af

[fossil cedar]

Then move countries :)

[clever eagle]

as you can tell from the way i talk and lack of understanding about tax
i am not 18 yet

how does move without moneys

[fossil cedar]

Bruh

[peak ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-what-huh-what-are-you-talking-about-gif-14514932

How's it going, @fossil cedar ?

[fossil cedar]

Goood Just on my lunch break atm hbu

[peak ginkgo]

Nice, got to work 3 hours ago but people are just starting to trickle in now. Just working is all

[fossil cedar]

Nice lol

My chicken for my roll was hot out of the oven

[peak ginkgo]

Nice, I bet it was good

[pseudo bluff]

Someone help meh

Im trying to build a pc but, I am too poor

[analog hearth]

don’t build now

[pseudo bluff]

I can only buy like 4 pieces of chicken nuggets from maccas

[fossil cedar]

It was demolished

[fossil cedar]

What's your budget?

[pseudo bluff]

AU $800-900 for now

[peak ginkgo]

Save your money if you don't have enough. No need to be in a rush right now since certain parts are hard to fine, and when you do find them, they're way overpriced.

Besides, Intel's new gen CPUs and mobos are about to come out

[analog hearth]

just keep saving until prices are normal

[pseudo bluff]

Yeah its the new things are probably like my entire budget

[fossil cedar]

Yeah you could probs do a 5600g build for that

Then add in a gpu later

I'll put together a possible build

[analog hearth]

wait you can just straight up buy a 5600G?

like it’s normal?

[worn wave]

Yeah

[analog hearth]

woah

time to upgrade my Plex server

[worn wave]

5700G also, they just released to retail

[analog hearth]

bruh bettt

[fossil cedar]

It's meh tho

Like fine but not as good as the x parts

[analog hearth]

it still looks fine for my Plex server

i have a 2200G in that rn lolll

[worn wave]

I got a spare 2600 in my file server currently

[analog hearth]

i was thinking about upgrading it to a 3600 with a GT 710 but idk if that would heat up my room any more

[fossil cedar]

@pseudo bluff you could do this then add a gpu in later when you have more budget and shortage dies down

Nah lmao gt710 is passive

[analog hearth]

oh pfft

[fossil cedar]

And it won't be idle anyway

But ehh unless you can find 3600 for cheapp

[analog hearth]

i already have one

[fossil cedar]

Ahh

Do you have a 710?

[analog hearth]

don’t have a 710

[fossil cedar]

Hmm

710s like 50$ atm iirc

[analog hearth]

i mean it’s not that big of a deal rn but in the future when i need more transcoding power i might upgrade

for now it’s just my gf and i using it

[fossil cedar]

Ohh yeah

I'd leave for the moment then

[thorn heart]

I remember my GT 730 making barely any heat but that tiny little fan got rid of most of it, it was the Lenovo spec one

[stoic chasm]

What is the difference between a locked and an unlocked cpu? I googled it and found unlocked can "overclock" what is that and does it really matter which i get?

[little osprey]

Locked is non-overclocking, so you cannot overclock the CPU

Unlocked allows you to overclock

You don't need it

[stoic chasm]

what is overclocking tho?

[little osprey]

Just allowing your CPU to use more power so it can perform better

[jagged ember]

its running your cpu above its factory rated frequencies

[little osprey]

If you don't know what it is you probably don't need it, imo

[stoic chasm]

ah... so basically, a locked can only go to max but a unlocked can perform a little more right?

[little osprey]

Yes, provided you know what you're doing. or else you will damage your cpu

[jagged ember]

very basically, yes

it's usually more than just a little bit

[obsidian wigeon]

Or rare cases, way more

[little osprey]

I think in your case a locked CPU would be better

Such as 11400 / f

[obsidian wigeon]

unlocked cpu is still safe if you don't touch anything

[stoic chasm]

I have a handful of knowledge about pcs, but i didn't know what overclocking was... I have been trying to find out more since I am building my own pc for the first time lol.

[little osprey]

Cool! Just know we are always here to help 😄

Can't remember, did we get you a list of parts already?

[stoic chasm]

Yea i got help yesterday from a member and he told me to go to best buy to get my cpu i just had another question so I asked lol

[little osprey]

Ah

Cooler master ml240l any good?

[obsidian wigeon]

eh

[peak ginkgo]

They're decent, not the best but also not the worse

[little osprey]

What's up?

[jolly kindle]

Can anyone get into a call with to help with my pc

[little osprey]

Chat is fine

What's the issue

[jolly kindle]

I just bought my cpu and gpu the build is together and my mobo still flashes red for cpu response

[honest knot]

Ok what cpu did u buy

And whats the motherboard

Might be incompatible

[jolly kindle]

Ryzen 5 5600x

[honest knot]

Or bios is old

Whats ur mobo

[jolly kindle]

The mobo is a b450 v2 it says 5000 compatible though

[honest knot]

Do you have a previous ryzen chip?

[jolly kindle]

No I do not the motherboard does come with a cd to update bios

[little osprey]

CD

[jolly kindle]

In the mobo box

that’s what I was thinking

[little osprey]

Do you have another computer you can use to get the bios files

[jolly kindle]

Yes I do

[little osprey]

What specific mobo do you have

[jolly kindle]

A laptop should work correct?

[honest knot]

Ok download add to usb then try and flash

[little osprey]

Yeah

just do USB flashback for your bios

[honest knot]

This

[little osprey]

aorus elite v2?

[jolly kindle]

Aorus B450 Elite v2

[honest knot]

Wait hol up... Will the motherboard even do bios flashback when the cpu doesnt work

[jolly kindle]

Is that something I can find on YouTube?

[little osprey]

Yeah, its pretty easy

just get the BIOS file from the gigabyte website

for your motherboard

[jolly kindle]

alright

thank you

[little osprey]

then put on a formatted USB

then put in correct USB port on mobo

[honest knot]

Latest version

[little osprey]

Ye

[honest knot]

Kinda odd to see that it says "supports 5000 series" but doesnt work right out the box

[little osprey]

Yeah it says 5600x should work on the website

[honest knot]

Gud

[little osprey]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-Elite-V2-rev-1x/support#support-dl-bios

Try the F62 one

[jolly kindle]

Thank you super much

[little osprey]

Yeah no problem hope your computer works

[jolly kindle]

Me too I been waiting since December

[fossil cedar]

If you like leaks xD

[fossil cedar]

What b450 v2?

Nvm

[little osprey]

O

[fossil cedar]

Yup

[jolly kindle]

Do I have to unzip the file in the drive?

Also will I always have to keep the thumb drive in?

[fossil cedar]

Ye unzip

No you won't

Btw the manual should tell you you will need to rename the bios file

[jolly kindle]

Okay I just have to find out where to plug the usbs in

[fossil cedar]

Do you have an older cpu in it atm btw?

[jolly kindle]

No this is my first build

[fossil cedar]

The manual for that motherboard looks like there's no bios flashback

[jolly kindle]

I’m reading into it right now

[fossil cedar]

Yeah that board doesn't have bios flashback, if it's the one cameron linked

[little osprey]

O

[jolly kindle]

I’m not sure if it worked

[little osprey]

Hmm well you're gonna have to try the AMD cpu loan thing

Nvm you need to have bought a 3rd gen cpu to use the loan kit

[jolly kindle]

dang

[little osprey]

You know anyone with an AM4 cpu you could borrow just to update bios?

[fossil cedar]

Ryzen 1000-3000 that is

[little osprey]

ye

[fossil cedar]

Although the box did say ryzen 5000 ready so it could be a different issue

But that doesn't seem right on a b450

Especially if they bought a bit ago

[little osprey]

Yeah idk why it doesnt work

its too late to return tho i think

[fossil cedar]

@jolly kindle just incase its not a bios issue, reseat your ram, clear cmos and make sure all the power connections are in properly

[analog hearth]

@little osprey rule 9

[inland atlas]

@analog hearth eyyy

[quaint swan]

Has anyone else bought a gpu from Best Buy for like half the market price?

[little osprey]

Best buy only sells msrp

[fossil cedar]

Well

[little osprey]

If that’s what you’re asking

[fossil cedar]

Aib msrp

[little osprey]

Yes

Assuming you can get your hands on one it’s a great deal compared to scalper market

[peak ginkgo]

This. I'd rather pay MSRP or even a bit over than scalper price

[shut rampart]

Hey, Im looking for a $600 prebuilt pc, yes I know but I dont want to build it and the gpu prices

[peak ginkgo]

https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-0012-001W8?Item=9SIADFREEV1644

There's not a lot of options with your price point

[little osprey]

Use case?

Gaming, office, etc

Planning to upgrade gpu later?

[desert gulch]

I'd go console tbh

[shut rampart]

in like 1-2 years, for streaming and a little bit a games not that much tho

and what do you mean case?

[desert gulch]

What do you want to do with it?

Thats the use case

[shut rampart]

oh really just for streaming

[desert gulch]

Hmm okay

I'd really love to find you a prebuilt with nvenc in that range but I don't think it's possible

[little osprey]

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-pavilion-desktop-tp01-2225xt-bundle-pc

You won’t be able to stream and play games at good settings without a gpu

Iris Xe igpu is good tho

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[little osprey]

Case can fit a chonky gpu

Buy another stick of ram

[desert gulch]

5600g is a decent option once si's and oems start putting it in prebuilts

[peak ginkgo]

That's actually really decent

[shut rampart]

my friend is a big gambler and he just want to stream on twitch

well anyways uhh im looking to spend $100 - $300 to upgrade one of my pc parts https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qhCH27

any upgrade I should do first?

im thinking of the case cuz no mesh panel

[desert gulch]

That's your current build?

[shut rampart]

yup

[desert gulch]

I'd say ssd

[shut rampart]

m.2?

[fossil cedar]

Best buy is usually a better option at that price point iirc

[fossil cedar]

He has a 1tb ssd

[shut rampart]

^

[fossil cedar]

I'd upgrade to a 5600x or something

[shut rampart]

I think thats enough 1tb of SSD and 1tb of hdd

[fossil cedar]

Plenty

[desert gulch]

Ig if ur happy with speeds it's fine

And CPU upgrade not worth imo

[shut rampart]

hmm GPU / CPU / or a case hmm

and if I do what CPU

[desert gulch]

GPU def not for a while

[shut rampart]

true

covid and stuff

[fossil cedar]

Sata vs nvme isn't distinguishable in day to day takss

[desert gulch]

Yeah ig

[fossil cedar]

Are you mad

[shut rampart]

maybe a 3600 CPU

[desert gulch]

But yeah keep that 5700xt for awhile

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/tonton-tonton-sticker-no-nope-gif-13636081

[shut rampart]

then what lol

[fossil cedar]

5600x or 5800x

[desert gulch]

What cpu cooler you got?

Stock?

[shut rampart]

yup

stock

[desert gulch]

Ight

[fossil cedar]

I'd still go 5600x

[shut rampart]

well stock be fine for the 5600x

[desert gulch]

You live near microcenter?

[shut rampart]

si

[desert gulch]

Good

[shut rampart]

like a 5mile drive

[desert gulch]

Im p sure 5800x is p close price to 5600x at mc rn

[fossil cedar]

@desert gulch

[desert gulch]

5800x is a lil over 300 lasts I checked

[fossil cedar]

350

[desert gulch]

Sad, it used to be lower

[shut rampart]

but will the cpu cooler be fine

[fossil cedar]

Nah 350 lowest

[shut rampart]

with just the stock

[desert gulch]

No

Youre looking at 50 bucks for a cooler minimum

[shut rampart]

alright I will get the cheapest CPU + the cooler

in under $100 - $400 area

[desert gulch]

5600x and fuma 2 will prolly run you a lil over 300 total

[fossil cedar]

5600 it will do, but I'd get a gammaxx 400 or id cooling se 224xt or vetroo v5, for 5800x you want a scythe fuma 2

Also i would stick fuma 2 on the 5600x too but it will do fine with one of the other 3 i listed

[desert gulch]

5600x stock cooler is not good pato

[fossil cedar]

Ik it's not but it's okay just without pbo

[desert gulch]

Maybe

[shut rampart]

out of the 3 pato which one provides the better fan speed?

[echo vale]

pato

[shut rampart]

or best for its price

[fossil cedar]

Jhay

[echo vale]

sup hombre

[fossil cedar]

Id cooling se 224xt probs but they all pretty similar

[fossil cedar]

Nm how are you

[desert gulch]

*mujer

[echo vale]

pretty good i was gonna ask if i was gonna get a more xspensive mobo what is the goto one

[desert gulch]

Godlike

[echo vale]

which manufacturer is tht

[desert gulch]

Msi

Should be around 700-1k

[echo vale]

not tht xpensive

[desert gulch]

O

[echo vale]

like 300 - 400 range

[desert gulch]

What CPU?

[echo vale]

5900

[desert gulch]

Uhhh ok

[shut rampart]

alright 5600x + ID-COOLING SE-207-XT-BLACK

thanks for your help

[desert gulch]

207?

Get the 224

[shut rampart]

I see no 224

[desert gulch]

On microcenter?

[shut rampart]

unless im blind

[desert gulch]

The 224 is on amazon

[shut rampart]

well im on amazon

[desert gulch]

https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-SE-224-XT-Cooler-Heatpipes-Cooling/dp/B08BY9P911/

[shut rampart]

unavaiable 😦

[desert gulch]

hmm

weird

[shut rampart]

its fine I can wait, no need to rush just going to add it to my fav

[desert gulch]

ight

[shut rampart]

thx for the help tho !

[fossil cedar]

As in upgrade your motherboard you have rn or you have a parts list you gonna buy?

[fossil cedar]

WHY

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8LGnTW/id-cooling-se-224-xt-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-white or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mnzFf7/id-cooling-se-224-xt-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-black or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VTqBD3/id-cooling-se-224-xt-basic-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-basic

If not just get a gammaxx 400 imo

[desert gulch]

i bet itll run too hot

5600x=portable sun

[fossil cedar]

Nah just the one sips has

5800x portable sun

[desert gulch]

yeah but for a gammax 400 its still iffy imo

[fossil cedar]

Slightly worse fan

Bout it

[desert gulch]

if i got a 5600x id wanna get a fuma 2 to have some overhead

[fossil cedar]

Same

But gammaxx 400 would do

[desert gulch]

maybe

[fossil cedar]

It would

[desert gulch]

if left fully stock

[fossil cedar]

Ask a techie they'll say the same thing

[desert gulch]

the second you turn on pbo youll be thermal throttling

[fossil cedar]

Apparently most of them do fine actually

Just sips got giga unlucky

[desert gulch]

lmao

[echo vale]

i just want a mobo atleast 3 m.2 slots since i dont have a use for sata ports good overclocking good rgb and enough rgb headers

[fossil cedar]

For 5900x?

Also how much is enough

[fossil cedar]

@echo vale https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pnqBD3/asus-tuf-gaming-b550-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-b550-plus or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2f4BD3/msi-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-mpg-b550-gaming-edge-wifi this has 3 m.2 slots, 1 is e keyed, which I'm not 100% sure if it means it will throttle or something but if that's the case then this has 4 m keys https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LwGnTW/msi-meg-b550-unify-x-atx-am4-motherboard-meg-b550-unify-x

[echo vale]

400 is enough

ill take a look at these

[echo vale]

anything similar to the unify from asus or gigabyte?

[fossil cedar]

Why?

[echo vale]

just asking

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QN7p99/gigabyte-b550-aorus-master-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-aorus-master this has 3 m keys

So 1 less and like 10$ more

Okay well 7 but

[little osprey]

Why not just get a bigger nvme

[echo vale]

ohh thats nice

[little osprey]

That’s way cheaper then shelling out 200+ for another motherboard

[echo vale]

think i might go with this one

[little osprey]

Just buy a new m.2 drive then get an old one and a Nvme to usb adapter then clone the drive

[echo vale]

i have 2 sk p31s

if anything the 3rd one would be the one with more room thats why i was asking for 3 slots

[little osprey]

I just meant if you can buy a $400 motherboard why not just get 2tb or more nvme then clone your old p31

Just my thoughts

[fossil cedar]

[peak ginkgo]

This

[little osprey]

You don’t need an expensive motherboard just for 3 nvme bruh

Or just get sata 6

[echo vale]

the gig mother board is only 200 tho

[fossil cedar]

The asus tuf should do it afaik

[fossil cedar]

266

Is not 200

My guy

[echo vale]

i was underexaggerating

[little osprey]

Would you rather have 2tb or more space or a motherboard with an empty m.2 drive slot

Sata 6 gbps exists too

[echo vale]

i mean it doesnt matter to me if its empty or not i use alot of space so itll probably get used anyway

[little osprey]

You can get loads more storage for cheaper if you get sata drives

[echo vale]

cheaper or not isnt the issue just prefer m ssds

[little osprey]

In the end it’s your decision i’m just thinking out loud

[fossil cedar]

Just get like a 2tb pilot e or like a 4tb xpg 8100 or corsair mp400

[echo vale]

thats fine

[fossil cedar]

If you want more

If you want a very nice motherboard i wouldn't spend more than the unify x

[little osprey]

More expensive motherboards are pointless

usually they provide little noticeable change

[echo vale]

noted

ill probably snag the unify then

[little osprey]

Like the godlike, completely unnecessary

People buy it for the name

[fossil cedar]

Only useful for Extreme overclocking really

[little osprey]

God like

[little osprey]

Ye

[echo vale]

i mean the only other one i was looking at was dark hero

but its oos everywhere

[fossil cedar]

Why would you

Just no

[little osprey]

…

[echo vale]

what would the reason not to

serious question

[fossil cedar]

Fat waste of money

[jolly kindle]

Okay so my pc is done but not usable, I have to get another cpu

[echo vale]

thats it lol?

[little osprey]

Check this out on @Newegg: Crucial MX500 2TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD, up to 560 MB/s - CT2000MX500SSD1 https://www.newegg.com/crucial-mx500-2tb/p/N82E16820156175?Item=9SIAEF2FG21388&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIAEF2FG21388-_-08122021

[little osprey]

Yeah

[fossil cedar]

Wdym that it? It's literally burning 200$

[little osprey]

You paying for this?

Unless you’re super rich i think anyone would like to save $200 if possible

[fossil cedar]

Even if you are

[echo vale]

im not super rich but i had a pretty lame budget until recently

[fossil cedar]

200$ is a nice steak dinner or something

[fossil cedar]

Don't be stupid with your money

[echo vale]

i mean a premium pc build is a nice first car down payment so

[fossil cedar]

Not trying to be mean just looking out for ya as a person, save it invest it spend it on something else just not that

[echo vale]

ye i mean i was asking cause i dont know

some ppl say its worth it some ppl say its a waste of money

[fossil cedar]

100% NOT WORTH

[little osprey]

It doesn’t provide any benefits though

[echo vale]

but i just wanted to know liek if theres a serious reason like its overpriced cause of the vrms stuff liek tht not vague answer

[little osprey]

It’s not giving you anything better

[fossil cedar]

Unify x is already a super top tier board

[little osprey]

it just cost more

[fossil cedar]

It's good for liquid nitrogen overclocking

[echo vale]

okay thats all i needed to know lol

[fossil cedar]

But so is the unify x

[echo vale]

i dont think i could pull of liquid cooling

too much work for me

[little osprey]

If i were you i would either switch out the m.2 drives with 2tb or more one (pilot e maybe), or just get sata 6gbps drives!!!

What exactly do you need more than 2tb of nvme for

[echo vale]

its a gaming and productivity game

so i can actually keep cod installed and forget about it

not that i played cod often but theres some games on my currrent rig i would just uninstall cause of space issues

[little osprey]

idk for cod a sata drive is fine

And any regular programs really

It’s no downgrade to use sata

Usually what people do is get 1tb nvme or more then put cheaper drives with more space on sata

[echo vale]

i see

[little osprey]

More than 2 nvme for gaming is overkill

Unless you are like dallas

[echo vale]

here ill tell u wat ill put together my current rig and youll see this current build is a huge upgrade

[little osprey]

and downloaded the whole steam library

[vague oracle]

@echo vale I wouldn’t get a board like the dark hero or unify x and put the money you save towards something else in the build

[echo vale]

i mean i have a huge steam library

probably not near as much as dallas but

[vague oracle]

Like some nice RGB fans, a better gpu, etc

[echo vale]

have tht

[vague oracle]

Or hell just a nice dinner

[echo vale]

going out to eat

yikes

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HvwFvf

this is my current rig

not to the teeth like the aio is wrong and the case is the regular h510

going to this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YtQL3Z

i dont have everything except the mobo and the cpu yet, not actually getting that mobo .

[vague oracle]

Don’t get that cooler

[little osprey]

Why kraken

[vague oracle]

It really ain’t that good

[little osprey]

You're getting it for the display aren't you

[echo vale]

already have had it

replacing the fans for uni fans

[vague oracle]

Ahh ok

[little osprey]

Okay its confusing when you send a pcpp list and dont include the right parts and dont mark as purchased

[echo vale]

sorry

[little osprey]

its fine

Everything looks nice except for the cooler

Not sure what you would use 64gb ram for

Galahad 360 should be good for your cooler

[echo vale]

i thought i bought 2 32s

[lusty gazelle]

Yea or the Ek 360

[echo vale]

so im just gonna mess with timings and see if it works

16s

not 32

[little osprey]

why would you have to mess with timings?

[vague oracle]

Don’t bother with timings

[little osprey]

just slap in the ram since they are the exact same thing

[echo vale]

oh ok

[vague oracle]

Sure there will be some boosts to performance if you do but i wouldn’t really say it’s worth it for the average person

[echo vale]

yea unfortunately i bought them awhile back so

its watever next time ill read more carefully

[little osprey]

Next time 😆

[echo vale]

and the reason for 2 nvm is cause i got one for free thats why i was asking for 3 slots

i dont really need it but

[little osprey]

I mean idk when you're going to even use all of 32gb ram

[echo vale]

just incase idk