building-and-recc-chat

[grave ingot]

Ya

[little osprey]

Wouldn't a 5500 be better than 960

[stoic island]

ye

[grave ingot]

Probably

[little osprey]

You'd be fine on medium

[fast dust]

So much better than a 960 lol

[grave ingot]

Could you guys sub to my YT

[little osprey]

#links-and-selfpromotion

[fast dust]

[little osprey]

Put it there and we'll think about it

[earnest olive]

lmao

[still roost]

el john#3123 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stoic island]

there was a ping

[brisk mountain]

me. my b for vulgar words but i lost the cover for my storage

[stoic island]

the m.2 cover thing? not necessary

[brisk mountain]

nah for the card that came in the box

[stoic island]

you don't really need to cool a pcie 3.0 drive anyways as long as there's some airflow

assuming 980 not 980 pro

[brisk mountain]

just 980

[stoic island]

980 comes with a cover?

wat

[brisk mountain]

i thought it did

[stoic island]

the sticker?

[brisk mountain]

nah

[stoic island]

there's no cover

[brisk mountain]

so i just gotta put the screw in m that’s it?

[stoic island]

plug it in, screw it in (make sure standoff is there so you don't bend the drive), and you're done

[little osprey]

Yeah

M.2 drives are easy to install

[brisk mountain]

bet. lemme hook up thr functioning psu and pray. if this fixes it i am going to be in eternal bliss

[little osprey]

You had drive problems then i assume

faulty ssd?

[brisk mountain]

no. so many random weird problems

[stoic island]

just something to try, m.2_1 is disabled for z590 boards with 10th gen chips

[brisk mountain]

now my gpu doesn’t wanna go in... i am too tired to be doing this but i need answers

[stoic island]

won't go in?

is the latch open

[brisk mountain]

i had to give the latch a litte kiss for it to open all the way. NOW it should go in

we good

[stoic island]

Is it booting?

[brisk mountain]

no i just got the card in. gimme 5 minutes to wrestle with my 24 pin connector while i swap psu’s. its unbelievably tight

[little osprey]

The pains of pc building

[brisk mountain]

fax.

[little osprey]

Good luck

[brisk mountain]

thank you brother

[stoic island]

24pin is just always notoriously hard to plug in or take out

[brisk mountain]

i learned that the hard way

still showing no signal :/

and my gpu keeps turning off again omg

this gpu turning off randomly is the exact reason i bought a dif psu bc i only found out the ne650 is trash after i bought it

[stoic island]

hm, reset cmos again, this time, plug in only 1 stick of ram in slot 2

and also, re-install a-gf if you can xD

[brisk mountain]

add me and i’ll show you what a-gf is doing. it’s not good

[brisk mountain]

will do

[stoic island]

you should level up pretty soon and be able to send videos

[brisk mountain]

i hope so

[stoic island]

upload limit to this server is much higher than default upload limit

8mb is pain for uploading videos

[brisk mountain]

gotcha. i just needed 2 seconds. it is constantly in a cycle of power on power off. my lights were flickering, fans on and off, and a tick noise every time it repeated. power would be on for .5 a second, leave for a second, repeat. all plugs were seating correctly

[stoic island]

there ya go

now you can send videos

[stoic island]

sounds pretty normal for just not booting issues

pretty normal for it to just turn on, then off, then on, then off when I mess up in memory oc for example

[brisk mountain]

weird.

still no signal

[stoic island]

try to clear cmos via battery method, and for longer, make sure the PC is unplugged from wall when clearing cmos

[brisk mountain]

when i clear cmos i always just pop the battery

[little osprey]

What's a good 750w psu

supernova ga?

@turbid viper

Actually have the Asus Strix Pink and Razer Pink Keyboard/Mouse/Mouse Pad sets.

Also have a White Herman Miller Logitech chair to go with. just making it for the Carolina Games Summit we are partnering with in August

[brisk mountain]

thank you for the help. ig i’ll come back here tmr

[cerulean trellis]

Ok so i bought this https://www.amazon.com/Motherboard-Speaker-Desktop-Computer-Internal/dp/B079DKDSJ9/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=troubleshooting+buzzer&qid=1626832688&sr=8-6 to test out what is wrong with my pc whether it's my CPU or GPU but it doesn't beep.

[little osprey]

Ah

Wouldn't know how to help sorry😔

[cerulean trellis]

its fine

[viral ore]

pull the gpu out, see if it still doesnt boot

if it still doesnt boot, then theres something else wrong that isnt the gpu

[cerulean trellis]

@viral ore it beeps when I unplug the GPU

[forest trellis]

I just bought a rtx 3070 ore build and the other parts kinda suck how can I upgrade them knowing there compatible

[earnest olive]

what are the other parts

[jagged ember]

5950x 3600 cl16 ram with a x570

[fossil cedar]

What are the other parts?

[ionic raft]

Any thoughts on Check this out on @royal pelican: ABS Master Gaming PC - Intel i7 10700F - GeForce RTX 3060 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD - Windows 10 Pro 64-bit https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali533/p/N82E16883360138?Item=N82E16883360138&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-138-_-07242021 Versus Check this out on @royal pelican: ABS Gladiator Gaming PC - Intel i7 10700F - GeForce RTX 3070 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali473/p/N82E16883360058?Item=N82E16883360058&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-058-_-07242021

Particularly is it worth it to go up to the 3070? Seems like cooling is an issue for the second.

[obsidian wigeon]

abs builds are good

[obsidian wigeon]

Nah, it wouldn't be much of an issue. Just a lil toasty for the cpu, besides the case in that 3070 one does have some small vents on the side for front panel, while the first has none. Only glass front

So I'd say 3070 all the way

[fossil cedar]

3070 is def worth the 100$ extra

And abs builds are nice quality

[ionic raft]

Thanks for the feedback

[fossil cedar]

Np:)

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[fossil cedar]

Lmao that was the lowest effort ^ x)

[obsidian wigeon]

lmao

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/style-dude-cowboy-big-lebowski-sam-gif-17777366

[hollow socket]

best specs (i have a budget of $3K)

[stoic island]

@hollow socket elaborate..?

[fossil cedar]

Already dealt with, they posted in about 4 diff channels

[stoic island]

lol

[little osprey]

Pato to the rescue

[dense sparrow]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/f97hfP

This good?

[desert gulch]

Change CPU cooler, ssd, and hdd

[dense sparrow]

why ssd? and hdd is good tho

[desert gulch]

Ssd has bad random mixed IO, so I'd go p31 if that's a good price in your country rn

And I'd switch out that hdd for a western digital 5400rpm one

[obsidian wigeon]

I think pato helped you with the build before

[desert gulch]

He did?

[obsidian wigeon]

Probably

[dense sparrow]

ssd is good

[stoic island]

it's only decent

sn750 rnd perf is below average

not bad, but could be better

[dense sparrow]

its still good similar as sansung

samsung

[stoic island]

uh

not a very high bar if you're talking 970 evo

[desert gulch]

Lol yeah

And it's just bad value

[obsidian wigeon]

970 evo is basically easy to beat

it's an old ssd

[desert gulch]

Yeah

@stoic island have you heard of crucial new gen 4 m.2?

[stoic island]

optane is an outlier but for example

which

[desert gulch]

P5 plus

[obsidian wigeon]

optane is speed

[stoic island]

let's hope it doesn't get even hotter than p5

[desert gulch]

Lol yeah

[stoic island]

well

it will

[obsidian wigeon]

sx 8200 pro is sad now

they swapped controller

or even nand?

[stoic island]

multiple times

nand and controller

what, 5, 6 times

[obsidian wigeon]

yikes

[desert gulch]

Anything that's expensive

They swapped

[obsidian wigeon]

that's scary

[desert gulch]

But it still has original speed ratings on it lol

[obsidian wigeon]

i like how pny silently changed an ssd's life ratings

[desert gulch]

Lol

[obsidian wigeon]

it lost like 70% rated tbw

70%

[dense sparrow]

Wha- the ssd i chose is good tho

[obsidian wigeon]

it's an eh ssd

works well enough

[stoic island]

again, below average rnd perf

[obsidian wigeon]

mx500 leads it in rnd iops

that's something

[desert gulch]

Ye

[obsidian wigeon]

mx500 is a sata ssd

kinda embarrassing

[stoic island]

not that it's bad, it's just not great

[obsidian wigeon]

yeh

[desert gulch]

Hell, doesn't a sn550 even beat a sn750 in rand?

[stoic island]

ofc

sn550 is great for rnd

[obsidian wigeon]

i have an sn520

is it similar?

[stoic island]

sn750 is just better peak seq and sustained but yea

sn520 is weird

[desert gulch]

Only downside to sn550 is no dram

Imo

[obsidian wigeon]

hm ok

it's pretty good for me cause i don't even use it

it's in mining rig

[stoic island]

pretty sure sn520 was the b+m nvme drive

the wacky boi

[fossil cedar]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MXnnz7 do this instead, the same on i sent to you yesterday but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[obsidian wigeon]

i daily wd green

[desert gulch]

Lol

Not even wd blue smh

[obsidian wigeon]

the smallest version too

120 gigs

im broke

[desert gulch]

I daily floppy disks

[obsidian wigeon]

but far better than using hdd on windows

[desert gulch]

I boot off my 1 rpm hdd

[dense sparrow]

i dont like the choice of urs, thanks tho

[fossil cedar]

Why???

[desert gulch]

Then why ask us for advice

If you won't take it?

[obsidian wigeon]

now time for me to just sleep

[fossil cedar]

I made improvements to cooler, ssd, hdd and the 750w is 5£ more v worth

[obsidian wigeon]

enough ssd talk and coping with my ssd

[dense sparrow]

rahter have sn750
same HDD I chose
cpu cooler, i might think of ur choice
Thats pretty much it

[desert gulch]

I mean do what you want

[obsidian wigeon]

might?

ah heck

[desert gulch]

But a 212 on a 5600x will thermal throttle like hell

[obsidian wigeon]

that cooler is gonna make it run hot

212 is ancient

[desert gulch]

Lol

[dense sparrow]

which ?

[desert gulch]

The hyper 212

[obsidian wigeon]

hyper 212

[fossil cedar]

The sn750 is worse and more expensive, its not the same hdd you choose? And the cpu cooler is way better for a small bit more, if you wanted a 212 black equivalent cooler get the gammaxx 400 or id cooling se 224xt or vetroo v5, all better choices and cheaper

[obsidian wigeon]

it's barely better than stock

[dense sparrow]

oh yh im not confifrnt of that cpu cooler

[stoic island]

212 is literally more than a decade old now afaik

[dense sparrow]

confident

[desert gulch]

Is there even a gammax 400 black?

[stoic island]

212 plus was from 2009

[desert gulch]

I've never seen it lol

[obsidian wigeon]

yikes

[stoic island]

There's gammax gt or whatever

[obsidian wigeon]

2009

c2q age bois

or first gen core i

[fossil cedar]

Mot that ik of? But didn't realize they were going for a black build

[desert gulch]

Hm idk

[stoic island]

yeye

[dense sparrow]

how come sn750 is bad. i chose Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ( its good tho) yea im getting 5600x and cpu cooler is the thing im thinking on

[desert gulch]

Weve told you 20x why that SSD is bad

[stoic island]

if you think it's good, can you elaborate on why you think it's good

[fossil cedar]

Tbf the 212 black is an improvement but still overpriced

[desert gulch]

Ye the fan on it is p nice atleast

[obsidian wigeon]

i used to think 212 was good

[desert gulch]

Super silent

[obsidian wigeon]

i mean it was

but modern chips are hot now

also diff design

[fossil cedar]

It has terrible random(real life perf), also Seagate drives are meh, the wd blue is a better overall choice

[stoic island]

would not blame it in seagate as a whole, but just seagate consumer drives are wacky, they don't disclose cmr or smr and such

[fossil cedar]

@dense sparrow

[desert gulch]

That barracuda 2tb is smr for sure

[fossil cedar]

Ohh yeah the server drives are fine but the consumer ones are bleh

[stoic island]

@dense sparrow simpler to understand loading time chart here for why other drives over sn750

and ye, seagate is still decent, but cmr can be nicer

[fossil cedar]

Sn550 is just better in majority of scenarios

[stoic island]

I wouldn't dwell as much on the hdd than on the ssd

[fossil cedar]

^

[dense sparrow]

still good

lower the bettere

[stoic island]

uh

[fossil cedar]

Red is sn550 not sn750

[foggy reef]

uh oh some people have a few screws rattling in their head

[stoic island]

you want to wait 12 seconds to load or 11 seconds to load

you tell me

[earnest olive]

i want to wait 42 minutes to load

hard drive gang

[fossil cedar]

You'll notice the diff more here @dense sparrow

[stoic island]

I want it to take 3 hours to run testmem5, the way it was supposed to be done

[desert gulch]

Undervolt hdd to 1rpm

[dense sparrow]

oh ok, its just few sec longer

[foggy reef]

I won’t get in the argument, but thinking a sn550 is better than a sn750, something is seriously wrong with you and you may want to see a doctor

[desert gulch]

Why shoot yourself in the foot and pay more?

[stoic island]

excuse me what

[desert gulch]

Explain how sn750 is better

I'll be waiting

[fossil cedar]

@dense sparrow sn750 is also more expensive than the sn550 YOU'RE PAYING MORE FOR A WORSE SSD BRUH

[dense sparrow]

fr

[foggy reef]

Sn750 1tb is around $105 when on sale

[desert gulch]

Other than a dram cache

So is sn550

[stoic island]

sn750 is better for peak seq and sustained

[foggy reef]

sn550 doesn’t need dram

[dense sparrow]

sn750 is worse?

[stoic island]

heck

[desert gulch]

Sn750 gets curb stomped lol

[foggy reef]

keep throwing graphs around buddy. You can literally get a sn750 1tb for $100

[fossil cedar]

Yes that's what we've been saying the past 10 minutes

[foggy reef]

it’s a 980 pro you mongol

[stoic island]

and sn550 at ~90$

[earnest olive]

go run tm5 on that 2tb 3200c22 kit lmao

[fossil cedar]

Lmao what

[desert gulch]

Same with a 1tb sn550, sometimes even cheaper

[dense sparrow]

i mean is why

likee

[foggy reef]

and depending on your work load, that $10 is a hell of a improvement

you guys are not thinking logically

[stoic island]

depending on the workload, which here will not use seq

[desert gulch]

For gaming tho

He is gaming

[foggy reef]

if just gaming, it’s still fine

[still roost]

italianomike#2309 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dense sparrow]

yea

Lmao

[desert gulch]

No

[foggy reef]

who cares

[stoic island]

For any normal person, the main thing that matters on storage is loading time

[foggy reef]

literally who cares

[desert gulch]

Rand sucks on 750

[earnest olive]

ooh we getting heated over ssds huh

[stoic island]

so why don't you want faster loading times on a cheaper drive

[foggy reef]

yeah you tell that to my sn750 server

mongols

[fossil cedar]

Couple reasons but it targets sustained workloads better than burst, it's burst(regular day use,) is fairly wack

[desert gulch]

Someone says sn750 is better than sn550 for gaming kek

Trying to explain rand situation

[foggy reef]

take a look at newmaxx or literally anything

[earnest olive]

sn850 best budget gaming drive

[desert gulch]

750 gets curb stomped

[stoic island]

yes

we look at newmaxx

[desert gulch]

That's sustained

Gaming doesn't need that

[foggy reef]

Sn750 is better than sn550 for anything, but if you’re just gaming, ofc it’s not better for the price

but if it’s literally $10 more

who cares

legit who cares

[dense sparrow]

yeaa ofc and keep in mind IM GETTING THEM IN SALE GUYS

[earnest olive]

the evidence they showed explicitly proves that sn750 is not better than sn550 at everything

[foggy reef]

tomshardware isn’t always right but alright

[earnest olive]

sn550 is better at pure gaming

[fossil cedar]

Nope 750 sucks on rand

[foggy reef]

It’s literally negligible lmao

no it doesn’t

[dense sparrow]

wha

[desert gulch]

Literally every other independent tester would come back with same results

[dense sparrow]

bruh

[desert gulch]

550 curb stomp a 750 in rand

It's not even a debate

[fossil cedar]

Real life sn750 sucks compared to sn550

[earnest olive]

personally i don't care if my game takes 1 second longer to load but if i'm doing nothing but gaming i'd just get the sn550

[dense sparrow]

real life? am i in heaven

idk lol

[earnest olive]

and i have a gen 4 drive

[desert gulch]

Compared to synthetic non realistic benchmarks

Real life as in everyday use

[fossil cedar]

^

[fossil cedar]

Same but no point paying 30£ more for a drive that will load them slower

[stoic island]

for fun, directly quoting Newmaxx

[dense sparrow]

listen sn750 is still good andf its few dollar diff than sn550

[earnest olive]

my gen 4 drive obliterates sn550 in benchmarks/anything sustained but i honestly wouldn't be surprised if the sn550 beats it in gaming

[stoic island]

hehe

[desert gulch]

Oh funny thing, have you heard of crucial a new gen 4 coming out?

[stoic island]

newmaxx doesn't really talk about gaming things in the discord

[earnest olive]

i have not

[desert gulch]

P5 plus

[stoic island]

mostly about ssd componet things

[fossil cedar]

But why would you spend more for a worse drive 🤦

[desert gulch]

It's prolly gonna suck worse than p5 lmfao

[stoic island]

anyways

in the end

[dense sparrow]

its not a "worse drive"

[earnest olive]

what's wrong with the p5?

[desert gulch]

Everything

[stoic island]

@dense sparrow if you're fine with paying more money while losing out on some rnd perf, you do you.

If you really want a sn750, we can't stop you

[fossil cedar]

It is for your use

[desert gulch]

Random write is pretty bad on p5

[earnest olive]

sn750 is not "worse" than sn550

you can argue that sn750 is worse for gaming

[stoic island]

either drive is 'good enough'

[dense sparrow]

im still thinking abt why u guys saying sn750 is bad like its just ok

[earnest olive]

but it's certainly not worse overall

[fossil cedar]

Yes this is my point

[stoic island]

we don't like ok

we like best

but either drive is good enough

[dense sparrow]

what

[stoic island]

make your own choice

[earnest olive]

honestly yall should just let it go i don't think their mind is going to change lol

it's like h510 buyers

[fossil cedar]

Why pay more for okay when you can pay less for better

[stoic island]

too lazy to say any more

either drive is good enough

[fossil cedar]

True true

[dense sparrow]

mhm there we go

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-face-palm-iron-man-rdj-why-gif-10994785

[earnest olive]

i wonder how miserable it would be using an sd card as your boot drive and game drive

[desert gulch]

H510, R5 3600, b450 tomahawk, barracuda 2tb, sn750, hyper 212 RGB buyers lol

[earnest olive]

no

sn750 doesnt belong there

970 evo.

[desert gulch]

Oh yeah

Forgot Abt that lol

[earnest olive]

top it off with a $900 rtx 3060

[desert gulch]

Yup

[stoic island]

too lazy to say any more

[desert gulch]

And some crap psu

[earnest olive]

no

[desert gulch]

Or maybe an RGB one

They like cxf ones lol

[earnest olive]

you don't understand the bandwagoners

[desert gulch]

Which are decent enough

[earnest olive]

they will see their 3600 + 3060 system that draws 300 watts

and decide that the perfect psu would be rm850x

MuH fUtUrEpRoOfInG

[desert gulch]

But they need a RGB psu

Or more futureproofing

Ax1600

Should be enough for a better gpu someday

[earnest olive]

1200w rtx 6090 tie 😳

wall plug directly to gpu

vrms have to handle 230v to 1v conversion lmao

[fossil cedar]

Thermaltake rgb psu

[desert gulch]

Gotta also have a ups so you can finish your game of fortnite if power goes out

Need industrial ups

And backup generators

[earnest olive]

dude

[fossil cedar]

Nananana it's gotta be like an aregemae 200w psu

[earnest olive]

someone in build pics upgraded from 2080 super to 3070ti

i really hope they did not pay above msrp

[desert gulch]

Lol

[fossil cedar]

Bruh

[earnest olive]

+10% perf for +40% power draw

ayy lmao

[fossil cedar]

Considering 3070 roughly= 2080 ti ;-;

[desert gulch]

Yup

[fossil cedar]

Like worlds fattest sidegrade

[earnest olive]

3060ti is like 2080 super

so they went from 3060ti to 3070ti

[desert gulch]

Yeah lol

[earnest olive]

and 3070ti is like 4% better than 3070

[desert gulch]

Better rtx ig if they really wanted it

[fossil cedar]

But 3070 ti is like max 4% better than 3070

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/its-not-a-gimmick-mrwhosetheboss-its-real-its-the-truth-im-serious-gif-19130349

[earnest olive]

i just hope they got near msrp

[desert gulch]

Same

[earnest olive]

inb4 they paid $1200 for that lmao

[fossil cedar]

Scratch the not

[desert gulch]

They prolly sold that 2080s for like a million tho lol

[earnest olive]

eh

r/hws price of 2080 super is like 750

1050 for 3070ti

[desert gulch]

Sips they also have a kraken so don't set your standards too high

[dense sparrow]

to where?

[fossil cedar]

In the crappy reluctant i wont change build even tho like all should be changed ;-;

[earnest olive]

the joke list

[dense sparrow]

which list

[earnest olive]

the people buying 3600, b450 tomahawk, and hyper 212 in 2021

they are also spending $160 on a 970 evo

[fossil cedar]

clunky runs away as had a h212 black in list

[dense sparrow]

dont worry

im not getting that

[earnest olive]

did he have an nzxt h510

[fossil cedar]

No actually a p400a

[earnest olive]

there is hope

[fossil cedar]

There is

[earnest olive]

phanteks good

[fossil cedar]

And at least the h212 back isn't as bad as the og h212

[desert gulch]

Must be a low power cpu to idle that low sips

Prolly a 3600

[earnest olive]

lol no

that has to be intel

[fossil cedar]

Or they have AC

[desert gulch]

Lol

[earnest olive]

ryzen cpus idle HOT

[fossil cedar]

^

[desert gulch]

My 3600 doesnt

[earnest olive]

I got i7-10700 to idle at 18c all core with no thermal paste and stock fan curves

[desert gulch]

Damn

That's crazy low

[fossil cedar]

Damm wth

[earnest olive]

my 5600x goes as high as 65c idle on 360mm aio with thermal paste lmao

[desert gulch]

That's like ambient?

[earnest olive]

ambient was 17c

[desert gulch]

On that 10700?

Wow

Crazy

[earnest olive]

1c above ambient

[desert gulch]

Try it without cou cooler

Let ihs dissipate heat

[earnest olive]

intel cpus are way more efficient at idle

I see my 5800x idling at like 30 watts

while i7-10700 can idle at 3 watts

[desert gulch]

Crazy

Is that whole using igpu on it too?

[fossil cedar]

damm thats low

[earnest olive]

igpu was disabled

but I would expect it to use less than 1 watt idle

with 1080p60 monitor

[fossil cedar]

if only intel could learn to be as efficient at load ;-;

[earnest olive]

I managed to get 3600x to idle at 25c

but it took 100% pump speed and all 8 fans at 100%

and power saver mode on to lock it to 1.7ghz

at like 0.7v

[earnest olive]

honestly in gaming intel is not nearly as behind as they are in workstation loads

I was looking at 11700K vs 5800X

consistently like 50% higher power draw in gaming

150W vs 100W

still not good but better than the 400W 11900K meme

[frank stirrup]

450W 10900k better

[earnest olive]

just hope their new leadership gets them back in the right direction

[fossil cedar]

Yeah they are nowhere near tr cpus or epyc

[earnest olive]

this gen has shown us firsthand that AMD is going to jack up prices as long as intel is behind lol

[frank stirrup]

Hiring a new ceo pog hopefully

[earnest olive]

alder lake leaks look incredibly promising

[fossil cedar]

At least it has 2 more cores lol

[frank stirrup]

Does intel even have a 64 core cpu?

[earnest olive]

maybe my next upgrade will be raptor lake

[fossil cedar]

Don't think so

[earnest olive]

technically you can get more cores with xeon than with epyc

it'll cost... a lot more though

epyc can only dual socket afaik

[frank stirrup]

If they dont call it velocityraptor imma riot

[earnest olive]

while xeons can octa socket

[echo vale]

wats the best bang for ur buck gpu. coming from a 1080 btw

[frank stirrup]

Sticking with the 1080

[earnest olive]

3060ti isn't enough of an upgrade from 1080 imo

[fossil cedar]

3060 ti but stick with 1080 tbh

[earnest olive]

so just straight to 3080

[echo vale]

pog

[earnest olive]

or stick with the 1080

[frank stirrup]

3080tie

[echo vale]

3080 it is

[earnest olive]

3080tie bang for buck

right

[frank stirrup]

I just wanted to say 3080tie ngl

No other reason

[echo vale]

im getting some strim cables

wat cables fits the 3080

[frank stirrup]

I would stick to the 1080 tbh

[echo vale]

8 pins or 6?

[frank stirrup]

Still very capable as a cpu

[frank stirrup]

8

[earnest olive]

some are 2x8 some are 3x8

buy the 3080 first

[frank stirrup]

And you need multiple

[earnest olive]

so you know what model you can get

[echo vale]

kk

[frank stirrup]

Daisy chain not recommended

[earnest olive]

strimers are 2x8 or 3x8 only lol

they don't sell individual 8pin strimers and they sure as hell don't daisy chain

that would ruin the aesthetic

[echo vale]

what model did u end up getting

gigbyte?

is there like one to avoid

[earnest olive]

if you're just gaming no

if you're mining but also too scared to pad mod then yes

[frank stirrup]

Ideal world? Yes. Current market? No.

[earnest olive]

if you're mining and not too scared to pad mod then no

[echo vale]

nah im just gaming

[earnest olive]

then no

any 3080 is fine

[echo vale]

got it

[fossil cedar]

just try not ventus

[earnest olive]

some are better than others but none are too bad for gaming

ventus is fine too

[fossil cedar]

its fine

hence the try not

[earnest olive]

whatever you can get at a good price

[fossil cedar]

yep

[frank stirrup]

Wat u mean? 2 or 3 separate cables?

[earnest olive]

no it's just straight up one unit

have you ever seen strimers before

[frank stirrup]

Nah

[earnest olive]

yeah that explains it

google images "strimer plus" and you'll see what I mean

[frank stirrup]

I get it now

[wraith herald]

somehow I managed to plug the eps cable the wrong way around, putting the end that is supposed to go in the psu in the motherboard. The pins lined up perfectly. I realized this mistake before powering on the machine. Does this mean that everything will work properly?

[earnest olive]

if you didn't send power to it you're fine

[desert gulch]

only one way to find out

[wraith herald]

ok thank you

[wraith herald]

true

[earnest olive]

it causes a problem when you send voltage where voltage doesn't belong

if you didn't power it on then that didn't happen

also, wow that psu manufacturer is irresponsible

[wraith herald]

yeah I was supprized

it was a corsair rm750x

2018 model

[earnest olive]

yikes

I was ready for you to say aresgame

[wraith herald]

lol

[earnest olive]

not an rm750x lmao

that's very surprising

[wraith herald]

yeah

[wraith herald]

ok so I have one more question

[desert gulch]

Go ahead

[wraith herald]

I also purcheed cable extensions and the pcie extension does not fit well with the pcie cable from the power supply

are they non standered?

[desert gulch]

What cable extensions you buy?

[wraith herald]

because there is a bridge on the pcie cable from the power supply, where there is no space for a bridge between two of the pins on the extension

they were cablemod psu cable extensions

wait no

they weren't cablemod

they were from microconnector

[desert gulch]

Hmm

[wraith herald]

I can get it to fit if I really force it

but Im not sure if I should do that

[desert gulch]

Got a pic of both of those?

[wraith herald]

ok one sec

[desert gulch]

Ight

[wraith herald]

ill dm them to you because I cant post pictures

[desert gulch]

Ight

[ancient wraith]

someone help me fix this

[potent portal]

What controller, what driver are you using, is that Windows 10? Details please

[ancient wraith]

windows 10

what ever driver i get from plugging it in and a xbnox 1 controller

[potent portal]

You have Steam right? Do you know how to set up the Steam driver?

[shrewd fjord]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x9YNt8

How is this

[fast dust]

You were obviously taught by Newegg discord server members

[earnest olive]

lol

sn550? check

4000d airflow? check

[shrewd fjord]

So yes its good?

[earnest olive]

msi a-gf psu? check

that's a newegg bingo

[shrewd fjord]

So good?

[earnest olive]

if you had an i5-11400, b560, and ballistix ram it'd be a blackout

[shrewd fjord]

But I've heard the 5600x is great for gaming

Is it not?

[earnest olive]

i5-11400 gaming performance is practically identical

[fast dust]

Don’t forget the SE-224

[earnest olive]

lmao

i actually want to make a bingo board now

i'm gonna do it

[shrewd fjord]

@earnest olive so can you edit that list to what your suggesting? I dont want to ruin it

[queen dagger]

anyone know a full video of someone build a pc correctly? imma need to know eventually.

[earnest olive]

this bingo is actually kind of hard to make

[shrewd fjord]

@earnest olive

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z8cHcT

Hows this?

Sorry for ping

[earnest olive]

cooler is really overkill

so is mobo and psu

[shrewd fjord]

Yeah ik it is but I like to have upgrade options

Plus it doesn't hurt

[earnest olive]

if you want upgrade options might as well go Z590 UD

it's probably the same price or cheaper

[queen dagger]

i wouldn’t go with b560

yeah try to get a z590 or sum

imma go to bed y’all g’ night

[shrewd fjord]

Ofc I found one that's white...

[twin berry]

i wouldnt recommend the 500d

you have to manage your cables very well if you want it to close

[shrewd fjord]

Thank you

I will go with the 400d then

[twin berry]

@shrewd fjord the 5000d airflow case is one i'd get thouhg

pretty good imo

[earnest olive]

pinned by popular demand

[shrewd fjord]

Well I plan on managing my cables but do you think it's worth the price difference from 400d to 500d

[shrewd fjord]

Ohhh pro

[twin berry]

depends on what you're looking for

if you want more looks and a more "modern" design template, 500d

if not, then 400d

[earnest olive]

im gonna play it with your list

[twin berry]

i had an nzxt h710i

big mistake

nzxt hub didnt even work

it'd "overvolt"

then stop fans from running

[shrewd fjord]

Ouch

[twin berry]

was premium

[shrewd fjord]

Ihttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/gZTYsX

[subtle halo]

How much 3080 really need. Because sometimes nvidia just set it super high requirements. Maximum peak 3080 can do? Pair with 5600x

[twin berry]

850w psu should be fine

[earnest olive]

sadly you did not get a bingo

[twin berry]

https://i.imgur.com/e3jCXUA.png

this is my list

[earnest olive]

"I ONLY WANT AMD" is not just owning an amd cpu

[subtle halo]

850 really?

[twin berry]

yeah, should be fine

i can double check to be 100% certain though

[earnest olive]

it's actively paying more for an amd cpu when an intel cpu would have been cheaper AND better for your use case

[twin berry]

i mean

my z390 board died

[shrewd fjord]

@earnest olive any chance you could review this and tell me if there are any changes you would make? Or maybe edit the list so I can see exactly what your talking about https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gZTYsX

[twin berry]

so i got a 3900x "temporarily"

on a new board

[earnest olive]

i don't have bingo either

[twin berry]

@subtle halo whats your cpu, mobo, gpu, ram, ssd and hdd if you have

[desert gulch]

You should add "Mobo more expensive than cpu"

[twin berry]

z590 god like

with an i9 9900k or whatever

lmao

[desert gulch]

Isn't 9k series on lga 1151 or sumthin?

[twin berry]

idk the chipsets for intel really, not much anymore nor the boards for it so thats probably wrong

lga 1151

yes

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[twin berry]

z590 is what?

[desert gulch]

Z590 and z490 are 1200 lol

[twin berry]

ah

[desert gulch]

Won't fit

[twin berry]

ye\

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/krbLGq

there

assuming you didn't get the freezer for looks

[shrewd fjord]

It confuses me? Your mobo is literally what connects all of your parts you would think getting a good mobo would be important. I think of it like the mobo is the body of the build and let's say for example the cpu is just an organ idk I just think I guess it doesnt matter if mobo more expensive @desert gulch

[twin berry]

@subtle halo should be around 600-700 watts

with 5600x and 3080

and your other components obv

[shrewd fjord]

Thanks

[lyric thistle]

Xd

[subtle halo]

Asus recommend psu table

Deym 850 i9

XD

Also r9

[potent portal]

Clearly that's with power limits in full effect, because we all know Intel really uses a lot more than that

[twin berry]

lmfao

alrighty

lets fork this

[subtle halo]

Maybe it draws more on load

[twin berry]

well yea

i wanna see if i can get it to hit like 150

[subtle halo]

So 850 still not enough

More poweeeeer

https://c.tenor.com/UW3l6jTN4OIAAAAM/u-unlimited-power-star-wars.gif

[twin berry]

amd stock coolers good

jeez

[potent portal]

If you go and disable Tau limits and max it out you can do 250W easy, maybe 300W in some cases, just from the CPU

[twin berry]

https://i.imgur.com/MjeCIRV.png

currently frying eggs on the cpu rn

it aint no problem though

[potent portal]

10k watts lol

[subtle halo]

136w deym

[twin berry]

i would try 4.6 ghz on my cpu

but

i have an amd stock cooler

it will not end well

[subtle halo]

Hahaa imagine if he manage to do 100% of 10kw

[twin berry]

Uhm

It didnt end well

[subtle halo]

Isnt that the same watts from transformers

That delivers power to houses

Or more maybe

Auto Boost error?

Thats new one

[twin berry]

dont even know

[potent portal]

Looks like a good result to me

[twin berry]

wasnt a stble profile

yeah, i didnt know that one

ty

alright

attempt number 2

[subtle halo]

Will new Nvidia and amd gpus aim for efficiency soon?

[subtle halo]

5nm gang both of them?

[twin berry]

Intel and amd both have shown interest in 3nm

Amd might skip 5 entirely

https://i.imgur.com/hixrZoC.png wow, this error i just got

is audio based, but caused by OC

ok

[subtle halo]

2 fire means less power draw

Or more perf per watt

[potent portal]

The question is can the foundries reliably make this design with as few reject units as possible and in the scale that they need?

[twin berry]

I have very little faith in intel

[subtle halo]

I guess i wait for 4070

XD

[twin berry]

But they both expressed interest in tsmc 3nm processing so who knows

Intel would prolly just wait for 2030 before releases a 7nm processor

[subtle halo]

Or 7700 xt

[twin berry]

I bsod again

I give up

[potent portal]

"Interest" sure, I'm interested in getting a quote for a car I could never afford the upkeep on too

[subtle halo]

They can't do that on their slide that year is 1.5nm

[twin berry]

Lol

[subtle halo]

Slide they present on their investors

Someone took a snap on it

[potent portal]

Well Intel is definitely true 10nm for 12th gen so it's a step in the right direction

Apple wants it for the efficiency to improve M1 (or whatever the new ones will be called) battery life

[twin berry]

apple silicon

is crazy

[subtle halo]

Oh its 1.4

[lyric thistle]

No more 14nm++++++

[twin berry]

🙏

[twin berry]

will never happen

its intel we're talking about

[subtle halo]

But they make this slide :(

[twin berry]

they wasted our time!

[subtle halo]

The 10nm kinda delayed

2019 but 2022 released

Or end of 2021?

Is i12 called icelake?

[potent portal]

Yep, end of this year

Yes Ice Lake is 12th gen

[subtle halo]

So we can adjust the time line +2 years

2023 they make 7nm then

[twin berry]

ice lake still gonn be 10nm

so stupid

[subtle halo]

The benchmark of intel in laptop is kinda bad.. I hope in actual pc its nice

Well its leak benchmark we dont know

[potent portal]

You say that now but 12th gen engineering samples are going around, and it looks NICE

[twin berry]

its weird

idk

[potent portal]

You mean the big/little cores thing?

[twin berry]

not that

10c/16t

what

[potent portal]

Yeah that's the big/little cores. The "little" ones are more power efficient, don't have hyperthreading, and are used for light duty stuff. The "big" cores are more like traditional CPUs, high power and hyper threaded.

[twin berry]

odd

isnt the tdp like

140-280 or w/e

[potent portal]

I think it was the 12600k that has 12c16t, 4 "big" hyperthreaded cores

125W-228W

[twin berry]

wowsa

idk, would be cool to see real world tests on it

[potent portal]

Intel has been pretty loose on the leaks, probably on purpose to generate hype, so I'm sure we'll get performance data as soon as qualifying samples are released

[twin berry]

yea

[subtle halo]

An i5

I always feel below i7 is entry level

An i5 228w alone

[potent portal]

Yup, an i5 that's pulling over 200W, probably 250W real world, before Tau comes and drop kicks it

[lyric thistle]

Sheeeeesh

[subtle halo]

That definitely should use AIO

[potent portal]

I wonder if they'll include a cooler at all?

[lyric thistle]

Can prebuilts even use these lmfao

[potent portal]

https://tenor.com/view/tonton-tonton-sticker-no-nope-gif-13636081

[subtle halo]

Sheesh the dino cooler they have

Probably

Hahaha

That cooler dint Change since my core2 duo days

[potent portal]

Did you see the recent GN prebuilt video where they literally took the Intel cooler, welded a metal slug on the bottom as a spacer, and put it on a 5600X?

[subtle halo]

Hahaha they have to sacrifice not to use xD cheap psu

[potent portal]

I think it was the Alienware one

[subtle halo]

Must use those thiccer wire cables

To sustain that wattage

[potent portal]

I wonder if 12VO will get more popular this next gen?

[subtle halo]

Whats that

[fossil cedar]

T'was

[potent portal]

It's an ATX form factor where the PSU only supplies 12v power and the mobo handles conversion

It's REALLY easy to get 80+ plat level with 12VO units

So easy Dell did it

[fossil cedar]

Sata power n all that jazz will come off the mobo, cable management nightmare

[lyric thistle]

My Lenovo was already like that from 2014

Lmoa

[potent portal]

Or, new design opportunity

[fossil cedar]

Hopefully

[potent portal]

Yeah it's been around forever, just needs to push into the main market

I could see some sort of single cable solution providing power and data off the mobo for sata

[fossil cedar]

Would be nice

[weak anvil]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lny6wz

Someone review my list pls

[fossil cedar]

@weak anvil budget? Also have you bought that 3070 yet? If not you're not getting for 600$ extremely unlikely

[weak anvil]

Market is going down

[subtle halo]

@potent portal

I think multi rail is bad for power hungry hardware such as gpu and cpu. Since each rail now have more limited amp limit. If one exceed the psu just shutdown. Corsair demo it . Enabling multi rail then all connectors now have 40A limit. Then he tried to put 50A on one of the cable.. the psu just shutdown.

[weak anvil]

And getting them for retail is getting easier by the week

My budget is like 2k

But

I wanna spend up to 1850 only

On the pc

[fossil cedar]

It's not really

[weak anvil]

It is

Crypto crashed like crazy

[potent portal]

You're trading power potential for safety, that's the trade. You might need to get more Wattage to compensate on multi rail.

[weak anvil]

In Asia gpus are being sold for Msrp and below in some cases

[fossil cedar]

The market still hadn't gone down tho, it's gone back up also crypto hasn't crashed enough

[weak anvil]

It has already affected the us market a bit

[lyric thistle]

The stonk gaming monie market is going depression bullish market cap gains

[potent portal]

That's a small, temporary effect

[weak anvil]

The availability isn’t great YET

But it shall be soon

Or decent

[lyric thistle]

Believe me I'm an economist

[subtle halo]

Yeah thats why i saw lot of multi rail 1000w+

[lyric thistle]

(can you get arrested for self proclaiming as an economist )

[potent portal]

(No just Internet shamed if you get exposed)

[subtle halo]

If one of u just get this at 23/7/2021 nice

[lyric thistle]

You can be arrested for calling yourself an architect

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-george-architect-architecture-gif-4649388

[scenic turret]

Cards no longer crashing as much in the scalp market, however supply is getting better. Just gotta try harder

[subtle halo]

Dexe and coin98 just did 180+% everyday this past 2 days i wonder if the trend still on

[fossil cedar]

@weak anvil https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rp7RcT imo you should do this, no point in going uni fans for just the back and top of the case, you can grab some p12 rgb for that if you want

[scenic turret]

WHAT

[potent portal]

Oh I'm an architect. Just not in architecture.
I'm an architect of chaos.

[scenic turret]

Omfg did I miss that

[subtle halo]

Yes u missed it

XD

Congratulations

For those

[scenic turret]

JEJEJEJWHABABSHEJSBZNSNAKJDJF

[subtle halo]

$$$$$

[fossil cedar]

Nope lol, prices had a tiny dip in Europe and asia but have shot back up

[scenic turret]

^

[potent portal]

Scalper prices went down a little but only down to x2.5 price instead of x3

[scenic turret]

Ikr

Lol

[subtle halo]

Why does is sound 2.5 is a bargain

Bahahahaha

[scenic turret]

Tbh, in my area it went down to 2.7

3080s are partially cheaper 😂

[potent portal]

You can find a 3070 on eBay for $1000 now lol

[subtle halo]

Ouch

[fossil cedar]

Only 2x msrp wow

[scenic turret]

Gotta love it

[potent portal]

Probably because it's LHR but, ya know

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373643982783

[scenic turret]

I just want my sweet 3080FE

[fossil cedar]

Them picks are looking a bit too professional for my liking of ebay lol

[scenic turret]

Sus

[potent portal]

The seller has 99.1% and over 48k reviews

[fossil cedar]

Hmmm

[scenic turret]

Ok, Palit GPUs are alright? Right

[potent portal]

Yes that's a real brand, not a horrible one too

[scenic turret]

Yea ok, one of my engineering buddies just ask since he's importing a Palit 3070 from Taiwan apparently

[potent portal]

iirc they don't sell in USA so you probably didn't hear about it for that reason

[fossil cedar]

Yeah they don't sell in the us

[scenic turret]

Yea, they have neat designs

[subtle halo]

Its popular in asia

[weak anvil]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BYMVVc

Minimal rgb build??

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mwRKwz

Better ssd way better aio, 360mm is a lot better than 240mm

And reduced the amount of fans you had

Imho use the 2 stock but if you want more fans use just 2 p12s, positive pressure is better, ie more in than out better , lest dust

[potent portal]

You could always leave the RGB unplugged I guess, I'd have gone with the Liquid Freezer for minimal RGB build

[frank stirrup]

THIS IS GOLD. IMMA DO THIS EVERY SINGLE TIME XDDD

[earnest olive]

xd

i put way too much time into it

[pale dust]

sheesh

you know only amd could also go mid at this point

[fossil cedar]

Lmaoooooo

Can we get that pinned

[earnest olive]

i mean

i have the power to pin it

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

[earnest olive]

but idk if it belongs in the pins of this channel

[fossil cedar]

Probs not lol

[earnest olive]

it's a bit sillier than the other pins lol

[fossil cedar]

Just a tad lol

[earnest olive]

make sure you ping me if you ever encounter a chaotic evil

[pale dust]

just a lot

[earnest olive]

heck, or a chaotic neutral

[pale dust]

lmao

[earnest olive]

i want to bask in the chaos

[pale dust]

amd only

supremacy

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-salute-school-of-rock-ready-let-ggo-gif-5159062

[earnest olive]

im kind of hoping there will never be a real chaotic neutral lmao

[pale dust]

no ssd is pain

[fossil cedar]

Indeed

[earnest olive]

not as pain as buying 3600 for $260 and smashing it into a z390

true chaos

[pale dust]

Z290?

WHA

[earnest olive]

chaotic neutral has z390 and 3600 in the same line

lol

[pale dust]

yes but how

does that happen

[earnest olive]

i mean i've seen people in here before ask about b560 board for amd

and i've seen someone try to smash a 2700x into a z390 board

it can happen

motherboard is motherboard right?

[lyric thistle]

All is good

Put 5950x into 775 board

No problems

[fossil cedar]

Love the, what motherboard can i use for either cpu

[fossil cedar]

Motherboard pffft, waste of money no extra performance, just use no motherboard

[pale dust]

just plug it in

[earnest olive]

universal motherboard pog

[jaunty token]

LOL! Let me know when you figure how to pull that one off.

[pale dust]

neither would agree to that

some people will buy a new cpu because theyre locked in

[earnest olive]

just make a socketable socket

LOL

[jaunty token]

Looking a current spec sheets makes me miss the days when amd and intel used the same sockets.

[pale dust]

actually spec sheets around

8th gen

7th gen

maybe even 9th gen

[frank stirrup]

Pin it in general

[frank stirrup]

Its just 2 sockets for current gen

[earnest olive]

nah I'm not gonna pin a meme

even if it's a good meme

[jaunty token]

ROFL I started building when the PentiumII was new on the market. Duel Xeons were almost unheard of then.

[lyric thistle]

Fine I'll do it myself

[earnest olive]

the guy I saw on facebook that literally hammered ryzen 7 2700x into intel z390 mobo probably misses it more than you do

you could see a hole in that poor cpu

[jaunty token]

OMG! i NEED TO FIND THAT NIGHTMARE!

[frank stirrup]

That hurts my soul

[jaunty token]

ditto

[earnest olive]

sadly I'm not able to find it anymore

google not powerful enough

[jaunty token]

Pity. sounds like a handy "what to not do to a pc" teaching tool.

[earnest olive]

there is that thread of that poor 980ti

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/49notj/980ti_darwin_award/

read at your own risk

[jaunty token]

Debating what cpu to get for my next build.

[earnest olive]

what do you do with it

[jaunty token]

Some mild gaming, and a bit of sound editing.

I've run intel for years, with good outcomes. However I haven't built a new system in about 5 years now.

[indigo dirge]

im so confused why 11th i7 only has fking 4 cores

[jaunty token]

Well I'm guessing they rushed the 11th gen to marker before it grew up.

[indigo dirge]

clap clap

[jaunty token]

market

10th gen intel looks to have better benchmarks in some workloads.

[indigo dirge]

ikr

10th i9 better than 11th i7

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Would love to see the current amd audio editing workload stats.

[earnest olive]

...what?

it's 8 cores 16 threads

[earnest olive]

sound editing depends largely on which software you use

some software favors intel some favors ryzen

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It will be a Ubuntu os when I'm done, so more cpu based.