building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

its the limit that your processor (intel i7-8750H) can handle

[jade scarab]

Ngl prebuilt a are better right now

Does 5600x Handle 3600

My mobo is 4700

[little osprey]

Does 5600x processor handle 3600 what

What is a 4700 motherboard

[jade scarab]

Mhz Ram

[little osprey]

yeah as long as you have a motherboard with XMP

[narrow flicker]

Ok thank you great appreciate it, what about the M.2 SSD are they all just a universal fit?

[little osprey]

universal

[jade scarab]

My motherboard supports 4400

MHz ram

I got 3600

[little osprey]

Theres probably only one slot though, you will have to swap them and be able to clone your SSD

[little osprey]

Yeah you should be good to go for 3600mhz ram then

[narrow flicker]

Thank you again will do 🙏🏼

[little osprey]

Yeah no problem

[fossil cedar]

3600 is good yeaah

[little osprey]

I cant find the motherboard online so I have no clue if there are one or two slots

im assuming there is one slot

[fossil cedar]

Doesn't matter 4400 would have to be an oc and then you would have to desync the infinity fabric

[little osprey]

So you're going to have to buy an m.2 to usb adapter

[little osprey]

No this is for nes pnw

[fossil cedar]

I realised that after i sent it yesh

[little osprey]

Ye

[maiden pawn]

Is each Mobo different or does using an m.2 slot always disable the same SATA ports for every board?

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/M-2-External-Converter-Adapter-Enclosure/dp/B076DCNZM3 this should work @narrow flicker

[jade scarab]

Getting Logitech G03 Light wireless for 15

[narrow flicker]

So what exactly does this converter do?

[little osprey]

So when you put your new M.2 nvme ssd in (the samsung one) and take your current one out, you still need to move your files onto the new drive. right?

So with this adapter, you can still plug in your old m.2 nvme ssd and move your files

I dont know if its ideal for long-term use, just temporary usage to move your files

[narrow flicker]

Ohh ok I was just going to back up all my files onto a external HD and I guess do it the longer way, but if this is faster and easier I’ll definitely try it out

[little osprey]

Your method also works

[meager badge]

Quick question. What UPS should I get for this build https://prnt.sc/1bif1x6?

[little osprey]

I just assumed you didnt have another method

[little osprey]

In your case I would do what you suggested here

Don't bother with the m.2 nvme adapter

[narrow flicker]

Oh ok haha sounds good

[little osprey]

Yeah lol

[jade scarab]

I find the name Be quite Rude

[fossil cedar]

G203?

[potent portal]

They're not telling you to be quiet, they're telling their fans to be quiet

[stoic island]

Send them this
https://youtu.be/5fZO77I-6Cg

[little osprey]

Lul

Where are these ghost unreads coming from

[sharp tundra]

Hey, so what would he better, a 11375h paired with a rtx 3070, or a amd 5800h paired with a 3060 max q?

[fossil cedar]

depends on the use case and tdp of the gpus

[jade scarab]

Coming together mate

[sharp tundra]

It's gonna be gaming ofc, and I can't find the tdp of them

[jade scarab]

Only 520 more dalllas

[sharp tundra]

@fossil cedar

[charred knot]

what gpu to go for if i want 1440, ray tracing gaming, 60 fps+?
then for competitive games either 1440 or 1080, 120 fps+?

[sharp tundra]

Okay, actually the 5800h and 3060 max q has 230watt max

[fossil cedar]

can you link them then?

[sharp tundra]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-legion-slim-7-15-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-7-5800h-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-max-q-16gb-memory-512gb-ssd-shadow-black/6455138.p?skuId=6455138

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-dash-15-6-laptop-intel-core-i7-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-1tb-ssd-moonlight-white/6469173.p?skuId=6469173

[fossil cedar]

i would say 3060 ti or 3070

[fossil cedar]

legion, even if the tdp isnt great imho, 4 cores is eehhh

[sharp tundra]

I was told the tuf dash was the better option, but my buddy is worried about only getting 4 cores

[fossil cedar]

who said tuf was better?

[sharp tundra]

Some guys I was talking with earlier

I was also told that the 3060 max q wasn't very great

To be honest, he's only gonna be playing battlefront 2, destiny 2 and Battlefield 2042

And other less demanding games

3070 would be better for it, I just wanna know if the 4 core cpu would cause problems

[fossil cedar]

thats fair, i can see if there are other options if you want btw?

[sharp tundra]

You can

I just need to find something for my buddy, cause so far I've been giving 5 suggestions and all of them have something that doesn't make them good

[fossil cedar]

thats just buying laptops a bit tbh, mb the tuf dash

but imo 4 cores not enought

i would take 8 cores 3060

[sharp tundra]

You think?

I just want to be sure before I tell my buddy to pull the trigger on anything

[fossil cedar]

Imo you should be able to get at least 6 cores for that price

[sharp tundra]

So get the legion?

8core 3060

[fossil cedar]

Imo yes but they might find the 3070 better

[charred knot]

how important is the mobo for my first pc build?

[marsh kiln]

If u don't already have one very lol

[charred knot]

i don't but i meant as far as choosing one
are the more expensive ones worth it? do you have any recommendations?

[shrewd fjord]

Your mobo is important like every other part of your pc. I suggest not trying to cut corners if you are wanting best performance for your needs

[marsh kiln]

How I found the one that would work for me is just by seeing what features that I need or would like and what one you like as well

[stoic island]

Every part of your PC has nuisances

Motherboard is more simple for most people, it's just the cheapest board for what's compatible and has the features you want.

There's still some nuisance, for example, b560 over b460 on Intel for unlocked memory, or Z series boards on Intel enabling overclocking, but it's generally fairly simple

And of course, if you take overclocking into the picture, some considerations needs to be made about the VRMs

[marsh kiln]

I also go with one I like the looks of as well because I know I'm going to be using it for awhile and other would see it as well and I would be stuck with it for awhile. All I really suggest is just do some research and find one u like and fits ur budget if u have one

[charred knot]

ahh okay i need to look into it more. i only know the basics like compatibility with intel/amd, PCIe slots, sata connections, headers from videos i've seen

but thanks for the tips!

[stoic island]

Main things you'll probably care about : Chipset compabitility (for example, a b350 board is socket am4, but won't support a 5950x), rear io (how many USB ports you need and such), quick look at how good the VRMs are, rgb headers if you go rgb, USB internal headers for your case front panel io

[fossil cedar]

Ehh important enough, if you put your parts into https://pcpartpicker.com/list we can look over it if you like

[charred knot]

okay once i build one i like i'll post here for feedback, thanks

[fossil cedar]

And wifi/bluetooth

[stoic island]

Not that important to start off tbh, nowadays normal board+wireless adapter can often be cheaper than just a board with wifi

[little osprey]

yknow what really grinds my gears

this

take a look

THESE ARE NOT 3070S OR 3060S

stockdrops get it together jeez

[marsh kiln]

Any suggestions for a good 2 in 1 laptop?

[scarlet rampart]

Which one would be better/reliable??

[earnest olive]

it's a fan on a hunk of metal

reliability isn't a big factor

se-224-xt is the better cooler

but vetroo v5 is cheaper and has ARGB

really just depends on which cpu you will put it on

either will do a great job on an i5-11400 or something like that

[scarlet rampart]

Alright thanks

[fossil cedar]

yeah but some people want it built in 🤷

[fossil cedar]

they same price now actually

[desert gulch]

even if you get it built in youll still have an antenna sticking out

[fossil cedar]

yes

[earnest olive]

havent checked those prices in a while

i bought my last vetroo for 23

[desert gulch]

v5 is 28 bucks

[fossil cedar]

ahh, se basic is 25 and se white/black is 30

[desert gulch]

ye

basic is cringe tho

worse fan

[indigo forum]

Should i go for radiator or some other cpu cooler?

[potent portal]

What CPU do you have?

If it's a lower power processor then simple air coolers like the ones above will be fine. If you're getting something more powerful like a 10700k/5800X then a good 240mm AIO is probably fine unless you want to do extreme overclocking. Anything more than that you want a 360mm AIO or custom loop.

[desert gulch]

sips 5600x: "ill take down any 240 aio with only pbo "

[potent portal]

PBO can be a pretty intense OC tbh

[shrewd fjord]

Then you have me who wants a 360mm just for aesthetic and knowing my cpu wont overheat

[potent portal]

There's another advantage to that too, the fans can spin slower so it can be quieter overall depending on which one you get

[earnest olive]

240? that thing bringing 360 aio to its knees

[shrewd fjord]

Ooo so now I definitely getting a 360mm

[earnest olive]

5800x shoots up to 90c all core instantly on 360mm

5600x takes 10 mins to hit 90c

[potent portal]

Meanwhile my $70 240mm AIO gets my 5800X to 5GHz

[earnest olive]

mine hits 5.05 on 2 cores and 4.9 on the other 6

also my 360 aio cost me $30

[potent portal]

Guess you can't complain too much then lol

[earnest olive]

not complaining

[potent portal]

That's cheaper than many air coolers

[earnest olive]

ryzen 5000 running like miniature suns is just a fact of life

[shrewd fjord]

@potent portal https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YcJ7xc

This is what I hope to build in the future

[earnest olive]

i dont think ive ever seen anyone choose the freezer for aesthetic before

[potent portal]

Liquid freezer, good choice

Total overkill of course

[shrewd fjord]

I just like the look of basically any 360mm it makes the pc look more complete

[potent portal]

You don't need the top performance unit of course so you can afford to go cheaper if you find one you like more visually

[earnest olive]

may i recommend the silverstone pf360 argb

i love the snowflake on the water block

i have it in my old build

[shrewd fjord]

How do you get ones that tell you the temperature on the water block

[earnest olive]

sitting on a 5600x

[shrewd fjord]

I've seen them before and they are sick

[earnest olive]

oh those cost like $300

not worth

cheaper to put a monitor in your pc and run an aida64 sensor panel on it

[shrewd fjord]

Welp rip

[potent portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTdniu3gn3Y

[earnest olive]

the title of that video amuses me

every pc?

even 2004 dell optiplex?

[shrewd fjord]

Xd

Xd I am on 2011 dell laptop

[potent portal]

I'd argue that one most of all needs visible temp sensors since they tend to catch fire

[earnest olive]

but you won't be able to see it 😔

maybe if you tape it to the side of the pc

[thorn wyvern]

Will this be a good laptop in like a year? https://www.newegg.com/black-lenovo-legion-y540-15irh-81sx0005us-n-a/p/N82E16834845343?Item=N82E16834845343&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-34-845-343-_-07152021

[earnest olive]

[potent portal]

Put the LCD on a stand on your desk

[earnest olive]

good is subjective

what are you planning to do with it

[thorn wyvern]

Have a large setup

[earnest olive]

60hz display is personally a 100% dealbreaker for me

a... large setup?

[shrewd fjord]

@thorn wyvern one thing with laptops if your not looking to use it for its portability feature then get a pc

[fossil cedar]

Why 1 be quiet fan? That's like 1 more fan than the case has room for

[earnest olive]

i would also like to point out that it does not have a webcam

that do be kinda important these days

[shrewd fjord]

Oops it was an error. I forgot to edit it out

[thorn wyvern]

Have a web cam for my 10 year old pc

Not a problem

[earnest olive]

but what is a "large setup" in the context of a laptop

[fossil cedar]

Gl getting 400$ 3060 ti before 40 series release XD

[thorn wyvern]

2 32 inch moniter on the side on the laptop

[earnest olive]

sounds like you should just build a pc

[thorn wyvern]

but… work…

[earnest olive]

are you planning to game on the go

[thorn wyvern]

Also going to college soon

Which

Ye

[earnest olive]

then sure go for a gaming laptop

[marsh kiln]

What is the best surface pen?

[earnest olive]

just keep in mind that a laptop 1660ti is nowhere near a desktop 1660ti

[shrewd fjord]

Why would price increase?

[earnest olive]

you pay for that portability

i've definitely seen better laptops at the $1k price point

60hz is automatic dealbreaker for a gaming machine to me

[shrewd fjord]

I have a laptop and they are not good for performance

Doesnt help mine is 2011

[fossil cedar]

Ehhh because we're in the middle of a shortage and 3060 tis are rare as unicorns

[earnest olive]

my laptop is pretty powerful

gpu performs on par with a stock desktop 3060ti

[fossil cedar]

Ohh :o

[earnest olive]

cpu slightly beats a desktop i5-10400

and it was only $1700

[fossil cedar]

Nice

[earnest olive]

per-key rgb keyboard that feels surprisingly nice for a laptop

144hz ips display

thermals are under control

it's a nice laptop

[shrewd fjord]

You said after 40 series? The gpu prices are dropping aren't they? I'm just confused why price would go up after 40 series comes out

[earnest olive]

similar performance to the desktop you want to build lol

[potent portal]

40 series isn't even anything you need to worry about for the immediate future, probably not until next year at a minimum

[earnest olive]

wonder if they will even bother with supers

considering the proximity of 3070 and 3070ti

and 3080 and 3080ti

a 3060 super might be nice

[potent portal]

Probably not, no incentive to do so because competition doesn't matter in current market

[earnest olive]

3070 super and 3080 super would be pointless

[fossil cedar]

I said before 40 series launches, when the new gen launches, you will usually have ppl selling off their older cards and since 3060 tis can easily go for 550/600 , they won't be 400 most likely till 40 series launch

[earnest olive]

inb4 nvidia increases msrps across the board in 40 series

"hey gamers we noticed you're willing to pay $900 for a 2060 super lol"

[fossil cedar]

I doubt it tbh, literally everything they make is flying off the shelves why bother with a super series

[earnest olive]

"anyways here's the 16gb rtx 4060 that has the same performance as a 2070 super and has msrp of $800 go eat it up"

[potent portal]

They probably will too, and they'll blame "rising costs of development and raw material" or some BS

[earnest olive]

more vram = good right? xd

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-character-chewing-character-hd-chewing-character-hd-gif-22077966

[potent portal]

8k 120Hz TVs are coming in hot so more vram would be good for those

[earnest olive]

8k gaming on a 2070 super

[fossil cedar]

Yes, that's why amds cards better

[earnest olive]

4 fps time

lol radeon fanboys are already saying the 3080 is outdated

[fossil cedar]

That would at least need a 4080 ti level card, jeeeez why even bother past 4k imho

[potent portal]

Imagine gaming on a 200 inch 8k display

[earnest olive]

literally saw a thread of radeon fanboys that forced doom eternal to cache over 8gb of textures (for no visual benefit) and used that to claim the 3060 beats the 3070

[potent portal]

Doom is really well optimized, there's no need to do that lol

[earnest olive]

it's a setting that just makes it cache extra textures

not even higher quality

just extra

[fossil cedar]

Idk if that would fit in my room lmao, what would the dimensions have to be for that

[earnest olive]

I mean

[fossil cedar]

Breins

[earnest olive]

you'd have to be sitting quite far away for that to even be playable

lol

[fossil cedar]

Yes exactly lol

Like you gotta be cinema length away at that stage lol

[potent portal]

300 inch projection screen = 262-3/5'' x 148-2/5''

[earnest olive]

new LTT video: playing minecraft in a movie theater

[rich helm]

At my local theaters you can rent a movie theater and they can provide game consoles for birthday parties

[earnest olive]

8K is a bit low res for a 200 inch screen

only 44 PPI

[fossil cedar]

Ehh you'd have to sit so far away you wouldn't notice

[earnest olive]

oh wait

no i'm stupid lol

[fossil cedar]

Lol

[earnest olive]

my brain tripped over itself

yeah it would be fine

[rich helm]

Cause they make like 4k 77in tv no

[earnest olive]

i think 4K would be fine on a 200 inch screen even

retina at 156 inches away

seems like a reasonable distance to sit away from a 200 inch screen

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/movies-watching-tv-homer-homer-simpson-gif-10195144

[rich helm]

5 feet?

[earnest olive]

now the real question is WHY

156 inches is a lot more than 5 feet

[rich helm]

Wait

[earnest olive]

13 feet

[rich helm]

My brain

[fossil cedar]

Sips this how you watch tv 200" XD

[earnest olive]

ah yes i love my entire view being restricted to about 200 pixels

[rich helm]

It’s 5x3 feet kind of

[potent portal]

If you're in a theater then you have plenty of room to sit back. Sit in the middle of the room with 12.2 channel surround going and immerse yourself.

[desert gulch]

sips some techtoker is trying to tell me a x570 is needed over b550 for 5800x lmao

says its more future proof

im like, "bruh you realize am5 and ddr5 is coming out right? end of x570 and b550s lol

[earnest olive]

technically b550 is always more future proof than x570

[desert gulch]

says b550 wont have enough gen 4 lanes

[potent portal]

Sigh
"Future proof" on a dead platform lol

[earnest olive]

b550 does not have a fan that can fail

[desert gulch]

even tho it has 20

yeah

i have a vrm fan on my x570

[earnest olive]

in 600 years the b550 mobo is going to perform better than the x570 mobo

xd

[desert gulch]

yea

theyre both gonna be garbage tho lol

windows 600 will be out

[fossil cedar]

Gen 4 dumb atm anyway

[potent portal]

Gen 4 lanes don't matter, there's enough lanes for a GPU at x16 and a M.2 SSD anyway

[desert gulch]

what abt for gpu?

[fossil cedar]

0 diff

[desert gulch]

yeah thats what i was sayin

16x for gpu 4x for m.2

[earnest olive]

hipster techtokers in the year 2621 will run them as artsy decorations for the rgb

not garbage smh

[desert gulch]

use them to power rgb strips lol

download icue and good to go

[fossil cedar]

@desert gulch i run my 3070 in gen 3, scores same as vintages gen 4 3070

[earnest olive]

some aliexpress engineer will create a dummy cpu that will keep the board on and do nothing else

[potent portal]

Now X470 vs B450, that makes more sense for future proofing and that's exactly what I did

[earnest olive]

dummy ryzen 0 3000

[desert gulch]

little difference tho once you get to 3080 leveli

[earnest olive]

0 core cpu that barely sends a signal to the mobo

[fossil cedar]

Nah, 3080 can barely use all 8 lanes of gen 3

[potent portal]

My 3090 has little or no difference in every single task I tested with Gen 3 vs 4 and Re-BAR on/off

[earnest olive]

pcie 4 gpu should become more relevant with directstorage

I'm happy to have it

[desert gulch]

im gonna be laughing when all the 2.5 inch ssd fortnite kids cant enable it lol

[earnest olive]

gen 4 ssd and gen 4 gpu

I'm ready lol

[desert gulch]

lol nice

nvme ftw

[fossil cedar]

2.5" isn't that bad lol

[earnest olive]

all on a lovely b550

[desert gulch]

cant do ds on it tho

[earnest olive]

x570 who?

[potent portal]

Sata can't do it physically

[desert gulch]

ye

gotta have a nvme ssd to do it

[fossil cedar]

Ik but just regular drive usage

[desert gulch]

so m.2

[earnest olive]

hopefully paying $10 extra for a gen 4 ssd pays off lol

[desert gulch]

yea

it prolly will

[potent portal]

Only $10 more? Worth it

[desert gulch]

altho its nice ds will work on gen 3 drives aswell

[earnest olive]

$125 for a gently used corsair force mp600

[desert gulch]

nice

heatsink aswell?

[potent portal]

Well I'd hope so with some gen 3 outperforming many gen 4

[earnest olive]

yeah but i removed the included heatsink to use the board heatsink

not seeing any issues

[desert gulch]

o nice

[earnest olive]

if i actually see it thermal throttling i could just put the stock one back on as i've saved it

[potent portal]

I kinda want to water cool my nvme just for the memes

[earnest olive]

the stock heatsink is definitely better but the board heatsink looks better so if it's good enough it's good enough

b550 steel legend is beautiful

[potent portal]

At least it's not Intel with that Asrock

[earnest olive]

board has no trouble with a 5800x

asrock bios is my favorite

has front usb-c which is nice

and i got it for $90 brand new which is nicer

[shrewd fjord]

I see but I put 400 because my best buy was selling them for that price about a week ago.

[potent portal]

That's the price for the 3060 ti FE (founders edition) which they have to sell at that price due to contract with Nvidia

Good luck getting it at that price

[shrewd fjord]

Ooo gatta love graphics cards

But I should be fine right? I wont end up building my pc for another 6-9 months

And by then I might choose to go with a 3070 or smth

[earnest olive]

bold of you to assume the shortage will be over in 6-9 months

some industry leaders have said 2022 some have said 2023

[shrewd fjord]

I mean it's already looking like it will be

[potent portal]

If you know where to look you could find some used 3070s for about $300 that ship from China. The miners are selling TONS of them.

[earnest olive]

prices are coming down sure but that's not because of supply

supply is still low

[shrewd fjord]

Well idk bout that. I have watched several videos where people show stock coming back little by little.

[earnest olive]

prices are coming down because ethereum mining profitability is falling

[potent portal]

The market is getting more of the used cards from mining so demand is dropping a bit

[earnest olive]

miners are no longer willing to pay $2300 for a 3080

and some miners are getting out entirely

[shrewd fjord]

Well I'm not an expert all I can do it hope there isnt a shortage

[fossil cedar]

[fossil cedar]

They get snagged up in seconds fyi

[shrewd fjord]

Yeah it's sad tbh

[earnest olive]

i tried 2 best buy drops before i gave up

[potent portal]

Sometimes they're gone before you can even see it in stock

[earnest olive]

i despise the best buy drop system

id rather buy scalped than sit through best buy drop

sat there for 30 mins staring at 6 windows

[fossil cedar]

@shrewd fjord 3060 non ti or increase in budget more realistic

[earnest olive]

picked up my fork and missed one going yellow

got another in cart and by the time checkout loaded it said no longer available

[fossil cedar]

Rip

[earnest olive]

legit more stress and time than just paying $200 extra lmao

[fossil cedar]

Shuffle

[potent portal]

I got one drop to where I was selecting where to pick it up and nothing within 100 miles could get it for me...

[shrewd fjord]

Doesn't the ti have a pretty noticeable performance difference than just the regular 3060?

[fossil cedar]

Yes but the ti, especially an fe ti is super duper rare

3060s are your best bet at 400$

[shrewd fjord]

Mmmm

Well we will just have to wait and hope I can get one once I buy parts

[potent portal]

Yeah best thing to do is try to get it once you can and see how the market is at that time

[violet crown]

Did a bunch of research the past couple days is this build legit if I can find the gpu
(Or is there a pre-built I should look into)

Cpu--Ryzen 9 5950x or 3900 (not sure on the difference besides double price)

Mobo- Msi Meg X570 Unity
(Unless there's a better choice with that cpu)

And nvidia rtx 3090... if thats impossible
Dual nvidia 3080?
And I wanna attempt watercooled

[potent portal]

Some notes for you:
5950X has 16 Cores and 32 Threads, 99% of people don't need that. A 5800X or 5900X would be plenty for any current system. The 3900 has lower IPC (instructions per clock) so it's slower than the newer 5000 series.
X570 is often a worse choice than B550. B550 is newer, has newer VRM design, and has every feature about 95% of people need, while the X570 uses more power and has a non-replaceable fan that can fail.
Dual 3080 isn't possible. Nvidia restricted SLI to the 3090.
You'll need to do a lot of research and choose your GPU carefully if you want to custom cool it. There's not really any good universal brackets right now so you need to find a GPU that has a block already on it or has one available that's been designed to fit that exact model.

[violet crown]

Damn... 3 days research shot... soo I guess I have no idea then

Currently mine etc and would like to continue to increase MH

I'm not sure what anything between
x570 -----fan that can fail... means

So nvidia is only allow 1gpu per motherboard?

[shrewd fjord]

@violet crown create a parts list on https://pcpartpicker.com/list

[violet crown]

I have that in my phone

[potent portal]

You can have more than one GPU on the board but you can't SLI them together. It'll still work doing multi-gpu for mining

[shrewd fjord]

Use the website so you can share it with people here

[violet crown]

So my dual 1080ti with sli connection isn't SLI

[potent portal]

10 series was before they put the restriction on. It's only 30 series that restricted SLI to the 3090.

[violet crown]

Do I need 12 core count or 8 core...

I have a i7-7700k 16gb ram dual 1080tiright now but I want something better

So you can mine with multiple 3090 or 3080, or 3070... but you can't what...
play video games, render video, etc with both together?

Its practically my first day

[potent portal]

Right, you can still mine with no restrictions, you just can't use SLI features in games unless you have at least 2x 3090s. Most games don't support SLI by now anyway so it's not much of a loss tbh.

Rendering and such will still work but each GPU is treated individually. Some programs don't support multiples.

Anything that requires the SLI bridge won't work, which is a very short list of things disabled.

[stoic island]

@violet crown What exactly is the use case?

[violet crown]

mainly mine crypto 24/7 and increase overall hashrate with 2gpus
but be quick AF... like 64gb ram?

But I also wanted to attempt watercooling but it looks like thats not an option atm

[glossy dragon]

Building me and the wife new rigs for her birthday, shes gaming on a laptop from 5 years ago and my pc is nearly obsolete.

i have very little knowledge of the best brands for mobos and things of that variety but from what ive found this seems to be an alright set up.

please comment if you have any suggestions on better gear for the money or just in general i have a fucky part.

GAMEKM Vitality Bomb
AMD Ryzen 9 5900x
Trident Z Neo 32gb 4x8gb 4000mhz
Asus GeForce RTX 2060 PLACEHOLDER
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
WD Blue 3D 2TB SSD
WD Black m.2 500gb
Corsair RM1000x
Arctic Freezer ii AIO 240mm
Corsair ML120mm
Corsair K70 RGB mk.2
Corsair M65 RGB Elite
Razer Kraken Series Headset
Oculus Quest 2
6.6ft Thunderbolt cable
Blue snowball ice Mic
Boom Arm
Pop Filter
Homall Gaming Chair
55" Desk
MSI Optix 27" 1920x1080 x2 per user

[potent portal]

I feel like with that CPU you'd want at least a 3070 ti/ RX 6800 to do it justice, in which case it's a shame to use a 1080p monitor with that. You could do a 1440p ultrawide instead.

[desert gulch]

thats why the 2060 is just a placeholder

and also you think a 240 will keep a 5900x cool enough?

id go 360 at least

but with that case i doubt itll work

this is the case:

[potent portal]

I know, I'm just saying once they have the non-placeholder GPU they'll want a powerful one to do the CPU justice

[desert gulch]

yeah for sure

[potent portal]

240mm would be fine if not overclocking

[desert gulch]

bruh

@earnest olive 240 freezer ii for 5900x go or no-go?

[potent portal]

It'll be tight on the thermal margin but it'll work I think

[earnest olive]

should be okay, 5800x is actually harder to cool than 5900x iirc

[desert gulch]

rly?

[earnest olive]

8 core ccd vs 2x6

[desert gulch]

you think a 5900x boosting will be fine with that 240?

[earnest olive]

yeah as long as they don't play prime95

[potent portal]

If you leave PBO off yeah

[desert gulch]

hmm maybe

[earnest olive]

i think pbo should be okay too in gaming

[potent portal]

Just let it do its default thing and it'll stick around the 105W TDP, maybe hit 120W

[earnest olive]

5900x does consume more power but 5800x has higher heat density

and heat density is a bigger problem than amount to dissipate

as we can see with gpu coolers easily dissipating huge numbers compared to cpus

[potent portal]

Yeah my hot spots do be pretty hot

[earnest olive]

if you were to adapt most 3090 coolers to the 5800x they would probably not do a very good job

even assuming your adapter achieved perfect mounting pressure

[potent portal]

True that. Totally different design on the cold plate etc.

[earnest olive]

5800x has the cores consuming 120W ish in a 80.7 mm² CCD

with 20W going to the IO die

3090 has a 628.4 mm² die

heat density much lower

[potent portal]

Only 120W? Rookie numbers

[earnest olive]

that's assuming like, pbo

[potent portal]

I thermal throttle at around 150W, most I've power virus'd out of it was about 165W

[earnest olive]

on a 5800x?

[potent portal]

Yep

[earnest olive]

on just the cores?

[potent portal]

Package power

[earnest olive]

yeah im talking just the cores since we're talking heat density

[potent portal]

Hmm. I might need to start P95 now to see just how bad it is.

Time to crank my fans

[earnest olive]

i'll do it too

my 5800x is running pbo with tuned curve now

let's go full power virus mode

i see no reason to increase limits as i'd need a custom loop to handle that

galahad 360 barely handles 142W package power

[potent portal]

That's on a $70 240mm lol

[earnest olive]

and it's not at 90C?

[potent portal]

Oh it hit 90 all right

[earnest olive]

prime95 small ffts avx2?

i hit 90c in that with 142W PPT

[potent portal]

Yeah small FFT

[earnest olive]

open case, 6 intake, 3 exhaust

ambient temp probably around 25C

idle temp 29C

[potent portal]

I've got my mining going still so I have a box fan helping lol
6 intake and one fan the size of my case out

[earnest olive]

i have a 5700xt mining in that rig right now but even if i stop it the cpu will still hit 90C

[little osprey]

friend gna go completely overkill with his system. looking for 3090 and 5950x, just need some help picking out a motherboard and psu for him :/

hard to find some decently priced 1k+W units

[earnest olive]

1kw for what?

dual 3090?

[potent portal]

If you want to overclock it you might consider 1200W tbh

And custom cooling

[earnest olive]

if you want complete overkill just go crosshair viii dark hero and evga t2 1600w titanium

[little osprey]

kek

time to custom loop it ig

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/DAOKOfan/saved/zrJ7XL

just build this

im sure that will run maplestory pretty well

[little osprey]

wow much value

[earnest olive]

enough rgb strips to just put a spaghetti bowl in your case and fill it up with rgb noodles

[little osprey]

all my homies run the rgb strips straight from 120v ac

[potent portal]

Speaking of I saw recently that there was RGB anti-static wrist bands that light up when they dissipate a charge

[little osprey]

rectifies are overrated anyways

[little osprey]

that’s kinda cool

[potent portal]

Right? I love when RGB is useful

[earnest olive]

rgb is useful

when your pc is too quiet to notice that it's on otherwise

[potent portal]

I have mine set to change according to my CPU temps

It turned a nice shade of red when I loaded up P95 lol

[earnest olive]

ahh, i love the smell of burning silicon

[potent portal]

It's usually green, maybe blue when gaming

[earnest olive]

mine is just white

[jagged ember]

Hey ive got an intake the size of my case

And one single exhaust because thats how it was designed lmao

[potent portal]

I think I'd prefer to have my box fan as intake but that would mean flipping the fans on my GPU rad and that's just a pain

[jagged ember]

Apparently my big fan can move like 147m^3 of air per hour

Thats a lot of air right?

[potent portal]

Measured by who? In what environment?
There's too many factors to compare fan specs.

[jagged ember]

Uh, by noctua?

Lol idk anything else

[earnest olive]

how many pidgey gusts per second

[jagged ember]

At least 2

[earnest olive]

nice

[potent portal]

That's why GN is setting up their custom fan testing machine, to eliminate those variables so they can give real meaning to the numbers

[jagged ember]

Oh yeah! Their crazy fan machine!

[earnest olive]

will they make one for major hardware too

for the 3d printed fan showdowns

xd

[jagged ember]

New gn stuff is gonna be dope

God i need autocorrect

[potent portal]

Inb4 "I hat auto connect"

You should see how bad the one on my phone is. Sometimes I need to type something 4 or 5 times.

[jagged ember]

Lmao thats awful

Usually mine works just fine

[potent portal]

I'll switch to phone rq to show you

This is all excels gray of the crappies Kay board

[jagged ember]

Here's my autocorrect working pretty well on its own

Oh, it's didn't apostrophe

The heck

[potent portal]

(clears throat) "This is an example of the crappy keyboard"

[jagged ember]

A perfect translation

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VtmvMv thoughts for friend wanting over kill system. jus tryna figure out cooling solution, ram and what not. doubt he’s gna oc either lol. also he insists on the 5950x, 3090

he has like a 6k budget for primarily gaming

[earnest olive]

but why

[little osprey]

might jus throw in lf2 360mm and call it a day tbh

[earnest olive]

why 6k on a gaming system

[little osprey]

he gets spoiled a lot.. this is an upgrade from his alienware system

i was thinking abt 5900x and 3080 but he won’t budge

[earnest olive]

my 5800x + 3080 build would have cost me 1500

if i didn't spend 400 decorating it

xd

[little osprey]

decorating

[jagged ember]

I would be thinking about this build as well tbh

Minus decorations

[little osprey]

apparently his parents r stock brokers and they got all that in profit so..

[jagged ember]

Why pilot e instead of hynix p31 gold

And idk about Toshiba drives, but I would go for either a wd or Seagate drive

Depending on which they trust more lol

[little osprey]

tbh just tweaked some lower budgeted build and totally forgot about the pilot-e

[jagged ember]

Mobo is freaking insane lmao

Case will probably need to be filled with fans or something

[little osprey]

that’s where my cooling situation comes

or well, my absence of that

[jagged ember]

Arctic p12s!

Or if he wants to flex noctuas

But black

Idk about rgb fans though lmao

My knowledge is currently limited in fans

https://www.amazon.com/Pccooler-120mm-Case-3M120HALO-Silent/dp/B081F47CNY/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=pccooler+halo+rgb&qid=1626347475&sr=8-3

Tomie did find these though, so maybe

[little osprey]

might just throw an lf2 or ek 360mm, castle-ex lol

[jagged ember]

Lol arctic freezer II 360 aio

Because why not

Also ouch, he bought an Alienware system before?

[little osprey]

and as for mem jus wanna throw two straight 4k19 kit 2x16 cus ‘i want 4 ram to make it feel not empty’

[jagged ember]

Theres dummy ram modules

[little osprey]

viper steels cus cool ig

[little osprey]

no point at this budget m

[jagged ember]

Or like, ram heat spreaders that make it look filled

Mm

Fair

Just all 16gb kits kek

Is joke

Id go 4x8gb

[little osprey]

16x4

[jagged ember]

32gb should be enough for like, cold war

Which hogs 20gb of ram last I heard

Then backs off because dynamic ram usage

[shrewd fjord]

I wish.... I work for my $hlt

[maiden pawn]

Alright, wish me luck. Here I go

[weak anvil]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082LRNQJG?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

^^Will these fans argb work with
This mobo: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XV6qqs/gigabyte-x570-aorus-elite-wifi-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-aorus-elite-wifi

Pls help I’m not sure

[shrewd fjord]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rcHDLP

Just made this, not sure if this is better than this one

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hfqqvf

Tell me what one is better and why please. Also if any suggestions to make one better than the other please tell me

[desert gulch]

Bottom is better value altho that aio is not needed for it

Top will prolly perform a tiny tiny bit better in games, but it def comes at a cost

[shrewd fjord]

@desert gulch ik it's not needed I like it tho. Plus ez temp

So intel is going to be better even in future

[desert gulch]

Meh a 30 dollar air cooler on that bottom list will work just as good

[shrewd fjord]

I know man, but for some reason I love the looks of a 360mm and it makes the build look more complete

[desert gulch]

Alright

[shrewd fjord]

Plus if I ever upgrade

[desert gulch]

If going for looks you may want to go Galahad or ek aio instead

[violet crown]

@earnest olive what's your 3080 build

[desert gulch]

Freezer ii isn't the best looking imo

[desert gulch]

I doubt freezer ii will work on am5 and lga 1700 tho since those are new sockets

[earnest olive]

https://www.hwcooling.net/en/lga-1700-socket-wont-be-compatible-with-current-coolers/

[desert gulch]

Yeah

Rectangle socket

[earnest olive]

the difference in mounting holes is actually very small

[desert gulch]

Not gonna work with something made for a square socket

Yeah

[shrewd fjord]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3JnJLP

[earnest olive]

i think current coolers may be able to adapt to new sockets

[desert gulch]

Maybe

[shrewd fjord]

Okay so this?

[earnest olive]

cooler same price as cpu

xd

[desert gulch]

Lol they want the looks

[earnest olive]

i know

it's just funny

[shrewd fjord]

But it looks good

Xd

[desert gulch]

Which is why I'm wondering why they keep the mobo

[earnest olive]

i have that cooler

except i got it for $30

[desert gulch]

Mobo looks like dog crap next to the cooler

[desert gulch]

Howwww

[earnest olive]

true

r/hardwareswap is a wonderful place

[desert gulch]

Wasn't it just scratched?

[shrewd fjord]

What mobo I get then

[desert gulch]

Idk

[earnest olive]

yeah a tiny scratch that i can hide behind the tubes

[desert gulch]

Sips prolly knows

If you're going for more looks

[earnest olive]

cant say. looks are subjective

[shrewd fjord]

@desert gulch https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yDj7xc

Hows that

[earnest olive]

thats

a ridiculous price for a b560

just go z590 at that point lmao

[shrewd fjord]

Z590?

It didnt even change price that much wait let me see

[earnest olive]

$200 for a b560 board

[shrewd fjord]

Oh it is 60 dollars more oof

[violet crown]

Difference between GeForce rtx 3080 and nvidia for mining? Like 20mh?
I like that build k think.... I never bought gigabyte card or monitor.... but I assume 3 fans would be better then 1 for cooling?

Is the rig you built the one I should be looking into@earnest olive

[earnest olive]

you will not be able to reproduce those prices lol

[shrewd fjord]

@earnest olive ummm the z590 are all over 200

[earnest olive]

i wouldnt pay $200 for a board with the budget chipset

[shrewd fjord]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GZQ9Mv

Ok how about that

What chip should I get this is just for gaming

[earnest olive]

if you're getting a 360mm aio to fill out the pc for aesthetics you should get an atx mobo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dLkWGX/asus-prime-b560-plus-atx-lga1200-motherboard-prime-b560-plus this is the cheapest one

[shrewd fjord]

But no wifi

[earnest olive]

get a wifi adapter

[shrewd fjord]

Wait quick question

When a board comes with wifi is there antenna you can see sticking up

[earnest olive]

yes

[shrewd fjord]

Isnt there like a wifi card or smth

[earnest olive]

wifi cards also generally have antennas

you can choose not to install them

it will just lower range and possibly signal quality

[shrewd fjord]

Oh so I should just get adaptor then

[earnest olive]

no point limiting your mobo choice to wifi only when adapters exist and are inexpensive

[shrewd fjord]

Okay. I appreciate the help

Any certain adaptor you would recommend

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QDyqqs/ziyituod-zyt-ax200-pcie-x1-80211abgnacax-wi-fi-adapter-zyt-ax200

[shrewd fjord]

Thank you so much

[earnest olive]

mhm

[maiden pawn]

Do I have to connect my front-panel USB header and audio stuff?

If I never use them

Will it cause any problems not connecting them to the Mobo

[earnest olive]

no

they just won't work

[little osprey]

Aye fellas forgive my cluelessness this is gonna be my first time building but im stuck trying to decide my gpu (if I can even get one from MC) I was looking at a 3070ti ftw3 or a 3080 ftw3. Im just trying to do 1440p since I have a Dell S2721DGF already set up. Assuming I could snag one at MC would yall go with the 3070ti or just spend the 90 bucks more for the 3080? If yall got any advice too that would be greatly appreciated

[stoic island]

Depends on more context, but I'd say it's worth the extra if it doesn't force you to cut corners elsewhere

[fossil cedar]

Don't look at specific models but a 3070 ti is barely an upgrade over 3070, so 3070 or only if 3070 ti is cheaper/sam price you should get that imo so 3070 or 3080, but is that a small dell prebuilt you're putting it in or your building a new one from scratch, i doubt your prebuilt would have enough wattage on the psu and airflow

In short 3070 any model basically or 3080

Specific models are not for this market imo lol

[little osprey]

Thanks exactly what my friend said as well but nah this was going to be an actual build I make myself looking at pricing it seems I can do a lot better building myself its just the matter of securing a gpu lol, im hoping I get luck at micro center when the time comes though

[fossil cedar]

Ehhh imo atm abs prebuilts on newegg are the best option if you want a 3070 build for value

1700 gets you a 10700k, 240mm aio trident z rgb 16gb ram and a 3070

[little osprey]

Yeah abs looks to be the most fair but im really skeptical on their quality I've heard no problems and others had doa gpus and faulty psus but I guess thats a gamble with all prebuilds

[fossil cedar]

They have pretty good quality, gamers nexus did a tear down of one https://youtu.be/b2vrvQydVIw

[little osprey]

Okay gamer nexus vouching makes me feel lowkey better lolol

[stoic island]

I would definitely just build it yourself if you do get a 3080 at mc

[fossil cedar]

That's a big if tho lol

[stoic island]

Prebuilts are the option to fallback to

[fossil cedar]

Prebuilts for 3080s are meh value but the 3070 ones are pretty good

[little osprey]

Oh definitely im gonna try my luck I heard restock days at my store are usually Wednesday-friday if I don't get it after a while ill just fall to a prebuild

[stoic island]

There have been good 3080 prebuilts for pricing but yea

I'd just spend a bit trying to get a card

If you can't, no worries, prebuilts exist

[fossil cedar]

But stock of 3080 prebuilts, the cheapest in stock is like 2400 iirc

[little osprey]

I had an hp omen 30L before all this series x bs im so glad I didn't keep that lolol

[fossil cedar]

Hp enjoys choking their pcs a bit lol

[little osprey]

I couldn't stand it the faulty cyberpower ran better than it lol

The only thing I can say I liked about it was the design lolol

[fossil cedar]

Oof

[vague oracle]

I was almost tempted to buy an HP Omen for the 3090 in it but then I read about HP OEM gpus

[fossil cedar]

Alien ware 3090 actually did decent

[vague oracle]

Oh really?

[jade scarab]

How do I use a Mouse

A wirless mouse

On PlayStation

Logitech G305

[misty tangle]

Via signal waves

[jade scarab]

Im trying to test if it works

[misty tangle]

good luck

[obsidian wigeon]

just connect it to the console's usb port?

[jade scarab]

I did

[obsidian wigeon]

it may or may not work, idk

[misty tangle]

Wireless lmao

[obsidian wigeon]

wireless mice uses a usb receiver

that's how they connect at all

they don't simply use bluetooth or something

[jade scarab]

I’m gonna return

It

And get a wired or

[vague oracle]

I don’t think PS4 can use a mouse and keyboard

[rich helm]

Are you sure?

I know some games don’t support it but I thought it could use it

[obsidian wigeon]

I think it supports wired mouse

But not wireless

[jagged ember]

I don't think it matters?

A mouse is still a mouse, wired or wireless

It's just the way it communicates is over 2.4ghz frequency

[earnest olive]

wired supremacists will disagree with that one

[jagged ember]

Hardware wise a PS4 won't be able to tell the difference

Nor a ps5

I think it's down to whether ps supports mouse and or keeb at all

[jagged ember]

Lmao true

Imagine, though ps was like 'we only like wired mice! So only give support for those!'

[fossil cedar]

Yeye gn did a vid on it

[fossil cedar]

Mice and keyboards need workarounds on consoles to stop people getting unfair advantages, just ask to plug it into a friend/familys pc/laptop

[fossil cedar]

Usually there's like a few converters and stuff as the work around afaik

[rich helm]

I know the Xbox supports it natively, it’s just in games like fortnite it will put you in pc lobbies instead of console lobbies

If you try to plug it in the middle of the game it will kick you out

[fossil cedar]

Thats fair

[maiden pawn]

@fossil cedar it wasn’t lookin good at first but I got that 360mm rad in my case last night. Got too late so I gotta finish the build this evening

[fossil cedar]

Nice good luck

[maiden pawn]

Here’s all the gear before I started opening stuff

[glossy dragon]

The 240 is max size, dont plan on OC ofc because of the heat issue

[glossy dragon]

the problem lies in having to buy 4 monitors for me and the wife and those ones are reasonably cheap

2 monitors is a must because of streaming and having everything organized

[glossy dragon]

atleast until prices go down then itll be 3080ti's

[fossil cedar]

190

[potent portal]

There's literally no point getting 1080p with a 3080 ti

[fossil cedar]

Ik I'm just teasing lol

[potent portal]

You'll hardly ever see it go over 60% usage

[fossil cedar]

Dw it's a good thing in Ireland

[potent portal]

A 3060 ti is fully capable of max settings on 1080p for almost every game in existence

Unless your goal is to do max settings at 300 fps, in which case you need a nonexistent better processor, memory, etc

[fossil cedar]

Mb 11600k with 360mm arctic liq and like 4700mhz ram XD

[potent portal]

They have 5900X on their part list

At 1080p even that will bottleneck just because of platform limits

[fossil cedar]

Does it? Idk bruh

[potent portal]

I was just adding to my previous statement
I think they do but not much in the way of compatibility

[fossil cedar]

according to pcpp this the best but no price so https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yZJmP6/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-5000-cl18-memory-cmk16gx4m2z5000c18 @elfin flame

[potent portal]

There's some boards I've seen that automatically adjust base clock and ratios when you do extreme oc from xmp like that

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jjpmP6/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-4866-cl18-memory-cmk16gx4m2z4866c18

[fossil cedar]

Nice

@elfin flame https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DLZzK8/crucial-ballistix-max-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-5100-cl19-memory-blm2k8g51c19u4b

No price tho

Also i had filter on cl18

[potent portal]

Pcpp only goes up to 5100, pretty sure there's faster

[fossil cedar]

@elfin flame https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DLZzK8/crucial-ballistix-max-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-5100-cl19-memory-blm2k8g51c19u4b tad bit spensive

[fossil cedar]

Probs but pcpp easy lol

[potent portal]

Adata XPG Spectrix has 5400

HyperX Predator too

[fossil cedar]

Ohh nice

What's the timings like this fal?

[potent portal]

On the XPG it's 20-28-28-48

Which is really not bad at that speed

[fossil cedar]

Fairly alright yeah

[potent portal]

The HyperX is also cl20

[maiden pawn]

What would I need in terms of a GPU to game 1440p 144Hz

3080?

Think Battlefield 2042

[potent portal]

3070 can do that

Oh at 144Hz? 3070 ti

[maiden pawn]

Hmm alright

[earnest olive]

i'm not sure how demanding battlefield 2042 is

but 3080 doesn't hit 144 fps in every game at 1440p high

[potent portal]

2042 isn't even out yet lol

[earnest olive]

oh i know

do we have any early benchmarks though

[potent portal]

It has DLSS so there's that, no benches that I've seen. EA is usually pretty tight about leaks.

[earnest olive]

my 3080 failed horribly at valhalla

apparently optimized for radeon xd

[potent portal]

Isn't every AC game AMD optimized lol

[fossil cedar]

Valhalla is amd sponsored iirc

[earnest olive]

yeah

my 3080 was struggling to get 80 fps

i'm gonna bench my 3070 on it when the update finishes downloading

[potent portal]

You don't play max settings in AC anyway. It's beautiful even if it's "only" on high.

[earnest olive]

80 fps was at high tho

[fossil cedar]

I can't even tell the diff between low and ultra in a lot of games lol

[earnest olive]

i can def tell between low and ultra

[potent portal]

Modern games low settings aren't bad at all

[earnest olive]

but in the outer worlds i couldn't tell vhigh vs ultra even staring at screenshots

[potent portal]

Most people can't tell going medium->high or high->ultra

[earnest olive]

medium to ultra is usually a bit noticeable

I usually stay at high

[fossil cedar]

Tbf overwatch looks great at low settings anyway lol so high isn't a huge jump

[earnest olive]

i mean

you have a 3070

you should be able to run overwatch at 1440p 300 fps ultra

[maiden pawn]

I’m good running on high settings but I’d really like to get 120+ fps

I don’t need ultra

[earnest olive]

i used to play overwatch on my dual core laptop with gtx 850m

[fossil cedar]

Probs but 1080p monitor lol

[potent portal]

Overwatch is high fps game anyway, meant to be on low

[earnest olive]

35 fps on low settings and i had to take a break after every match to let it cool down

otherwise it would overheat and crash mid match

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but i tried it in practice range where stuff is more still anyway and hardly a difference

[earnest olive]

i tried it on my 1080ti and had no problem getting 300 fps at ultra

in practice range tho, maybe lower in real game

[fossil cedar]

They use mainly same models etf afaik

[maiden pawn]

I play almost no AAA titles. And right now absolutely zero. But BF2042 is 100% on my list to get

So I’m trying to plan out what I need to do to get that rockin with my monitor

[earnest olive]

it was after I stopped playing overwatch so I didn't try a real game

but i just looked up benchmarks

and yeah people get 280+ fps at ultra in real games with 1080ti

[fossil cedar]

Well practice range i can get 400+fps afaik, in game it is less yeah

[earnest olive]

alright valhalla updated

think my 3070 will average higher than 70 fps?

[fossil cedar]

Yeah my cpu holding my 3070 back in overwatch

[fossil cedar]

I believe

[earnest olive]

going to run 1440p vhigh preset with motion blur turned off

closed all background tasks

2055mhz core clock

I do have better cpu and ram than the last time I benched this

80 fps was with 3600x, 3800c16 ram, 3080, and I think 1440p ultra

this is a 5600x, 3733c14 ram, 3070, and 1440p vhigh

I'll bench ultra after tho

oh wow it's hitting 2085mhz

ouch, still got some drops to 60 fps and below

[fossil cedar]

But 84 avg

[earnest olive]

now I'll bench it at ultra

predict the fps at ultra @fossil cedar

[potent portal]

62 average is what my crystal ball says

[fossil cedar]

I say 57

[earnest olive]

damn, y'all are just being mean to the poor 3070

it's doing surprisingly well

maybe it's the upgraded ram

3733c14 is better than 3800c16

the benchmark claimed the 3080 was bottlenecking the 3600x

so idk if the 5600x is the source of improvement

[fossil cedar]

Hmmmm

[potent portal]

Not bad at all

[earnest olive]

but tbh this is oced to like 15-20% better than a stock 3070

so a stock 3070 might be closer to 60

[potent portal]

Good point, this is after OC

[earnest olive]

it's 15330 graphics score in time spy

stock is more like 13k ish

maybe 13500

going to bench high as well

with motion blur off

I hate motion blur

[potent portal]

Me too, it's kinda ok in single player games but fast paced games... just no

[earnest olive]

I hate motion blur in every game no matter what

I've never seen a motion blur that I liked

motion blur makes me feel sick

idk why it's default in so many games

[maiden pawn]

“Realism”

[fossil cedar]

Motion blur icky

[potent portal]

Motion blur is only on for me in racing games. Once you hit 200 MPH you actually blur in real life so it's more realistic. Some games abuse that to make it look like you're going faster than you are, though.

[earnest olive]

so the 5600x is bottlenecking the 3070 at high

going from very high to high only increased average fps by 2

and cpu frametimes are higher

[potent portal]

Looks that way. Time to slap a better cooler on to max out the PBO.

[earnest olive]

it has a 360mm aio

maxed out at 65c

[potent portal]

Then crank that boost

[earnest olive]

exceeds 4.9ghz boost

[fossil cedar]

Pfffft, ln2 time

[potent portal]

Only?

[fossil cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-weird-clapping-evil-laugh-gif-9962946

[earnest olive]

thats about as high as it gets on a 5600x no?

5600x doesn't go 5ghz like 5800x does

[potent portal]

Depends on your binning.

[earnest olive]

yeah id just straight up need a different cpu i guess

[potent portal]

Some 5600X are low bin 5800X overall with manually disabled cores, some are good bin 5800X with one failed core so they recycled it.

[earnest olive]

this is running +200mhz offset pbo with -15 all core

didn't spend extra time tuning per-core

too lazy

kinda weird that this chip can run -15 all core but my 5800x needs +3 on core 0

[potent portal]

I need a silicon lottery emote...

[earnest olive]

but my 5800x is hitting much higher clocks so i guess it's understandable

yeah ofc it's lottery

but

i tried another 5800x and the performance was terrible in comparison

both pbo

the second 5800x had 2 cores that maxed out at 4.9 and 6 cores that maxed out at 4.7

first one 2 cores @ 5.05 and 6 cores @ 4.9

second 5800x probably bottom of the barrel lottery

[potent portal]

I found the trick to overclocking my 5800X to be doing the per-core CO, then doing boost override. I topped out at +175 override and I hit 5.025 GHz easy.

[earnest olive]

yeah i have +200 override

core 0 and 7 hit 5.05ghz

core 0 is listed as second best core and needs +3 to hit 5.05ghz

[potent portal]

But with my method every core hits 5GHz

[earnest olive]

core 7 is listed as best core and can do 5.05ghz with -19

you just have a better bin then

i also have per-core curve

really took my time with this one

Core 0: +3
Core 1: -19
Core 2: -24
Core 3: -14
Core 4: -24
Core 5: -16
Core 6: -19
Core 7: -19

do you have an R20 result with pbo + co?

mine is 6124

[potent portal]

I don't think I have my best score listed but I did a hwbot sub, lemme pull it up

[earnest olive]

i spent 12 days running corecycler

[potent portal]

6172

[earnest olive]

yeah

you probably just got a better bin

I still consider my bin to be good

compared to the absolute potato that got 5703

1900 fclk is also completely stable which is more than I can say for my 5600x

[potent portal]

Yeah that fclk is a huge factor, mine is stable at 1900 too

[earnest olive]

up to 2000 fclk is "stable" but optimal performance was at 1900

[potent portal]

Same, I start getting whea'd but not blue screens up to 2000

[earnest olive]

I can get 4000c14 through tm5 anta777 and linpack xtreme all day

with gdm off and coupled fclk

but performance is worse than jedec

probably getting destroyed by whea corrected

[potent portal]

Yup. Supposedly there's the new bios that might help us get higher fclk too, don't know if that's past beta yet.

I would LOVE to go to 2000 fclk with no errors

[earnest olive]

i'm ok with 3800c14 but i wouldn't say no to more performance

seconds/terts shouldn't need to change

just loosen some primaries

4000 maybe something like 14-10-20-14-36-58 with tRFC adjusted to keep 280ns

1.55 vdimm 1.15 vsoc

[potent portal]

Rev.E?

[earnest olive]

yeah

[potent portal]

Nice

[earnest olive]

that runs at 1.52 vdimm

[potent portal]

Yeah my b-die does similar at that voltage too

Could push more voltage because it's b-die but... meh

[earnest olive]

i have a comical amount of airflow

1.55 wouldn't be a problem

[potent portal]

Were you here when I mentioned the box fan that's on my 3090/2070 main computer? lol

[earnest olive]

yeah

[potent portal]

I could probably do 1.6v like this

[earnest olive]

i believe that also falls under "comical amount of airflow"

[potent portal]

We're at the point of diminishing returns anyway, all the extra voltage will do is help with subtimings unless we push way more to lower cas

[earnest olive]

3800c13 boots at 1.6 and will run benches but it's not stable

i got some y-cruncher subs in at 3800c13

and actually shaved a few seconds off of my daily oc

but it errors after about 3 minutes of tm5

extra vdimm would be strictly to increase mclk at this point

timings cannot tighten any further

[potent portal]

I'm almost curious how high I can push my voltage but I also don't want to kill it, this kit is hard to find now...

[earnest olive]

hmm i'm being offered a new 1tb 980 non-pro for $90

wonder if i should take it

my new build only has a 1tb ssd was considering adding another to slot 2

[potent portal]

Not a bad deal

[wicked frigate]

Should i get a 360 hz monitor

[potent portal]

That depends, do you play a lot of esports games like cs:go and overwatch?

[wicked frigate]

Nah

[potent portal]

Then no

[wicked frigate]

Like battle royal

Warzone

[potent portal]

High Hz kinda helps in CoD but not really worth it

240 is plenty imo

[wicked frigate]

Alright

With what specialty does

[rich helm]

360hz would probably only help you if you become like top 1% player in an esports game tbh

There are top 1% valorant players that play on 60hz

[earnest olive]

i hit top 0.09% in an esports game at 60hz with frame drops below 60

now i have 165hz and can't imagine wanting more

[vague oracle]

My main monitor is 75Hz lol

[hoary cloak]

what’s the best gpu for 3600xt and a 550 watt psu

[fossil cedar]

2060 probs consider the psu limit

[peak osprey]

Anyone recommend a good graphics card that would work well with a Ryzen 7 3700 off of eBay

[potent portal]

The GPU needs to be on ebay? Good luck with that. They're mostly $300-500 more than retail.

[peak osprey]

Oh

What do you recommend

I thought they would be cheaper if used

[fossil cedar]

Nope we are right in the middle of a graphics card shortage

[potent portal]

Well, "shortage" in that there's more GPUs than ever being made but it's still not nearly enough

[fossil cedar]

Yes, I've just resorted to saying shortage, a lot easier to say and ppl to understand if they are new to the pc space lol

[potent portal]

Fair

[crystal marlin]

Okay so I want to build a custom loop in my system I have a 5800x on a Asus Tux x570 plus WiFi and a Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC. Are there full soft-line tubing kits out there that will be compatible?

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf got a link to the good bykski kit?

[fossil cedar]

Afaik ek have a kit, but i think you would still need to get a separate graphics card block

[stoic island]

Until Hei gets back with the link, here's one of the bykski kits
https://aliexpress.com/item/4000807277229.html

[rich helm]

LOL?

[earnest olive]

it was league

[rich helm]

Wow

I can’t imagine being that good

Top 0.09% is basically pro level

[earnest olive]

not even close

[fossil cedar]

I thought you were laughing for a sec lmao

[maiden pawn]

Nah that’s just chally

[rich helm]

Oh wait League has a big player base

[earnest olive]

not even master lmao

[fossil cedar]

Like 0.001%

[maiden pawn]

My brother has been top 150 US a few times

[earnest olive]

still dia trash

[maiden pawn]

NA*

[earnest olive]

the highest rank is top 0.02% and being in the highest rank is still far from pro

[rich helm]

In valorant, you only have to be like 0.1% to be pro usually

Maybe slightly higher

Actually I should look this

Up

Well radiant is top 0.1% and not all radiants are signed so is probably closer to 0.05% - 0.01%

[fossil cedar]

Nahhhh that's way to high lol

Yeah

[rich helm]

Yes I’m dumb

I’d say 0.01% of NA players could be pros maybe