building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

And as much as I love reading a manual

Does anyone know which pin I put these in or no

[marsh kiln]

It should be labeled on the motherboard

[fossil cedar]

Depends board by board tbh

[little osprey]

so I have a 2x16GB RAM kit that I would like to upgrade. Planning to go with either a 3600MHz or 4000MHz kit. Would a 4x8GB kit provide more performance than a 2x16?

[jade scarab]

What’s a good Cheap GPU

@fossil cedar

Around 300

@granite imp

I need a Good GPU

[granite imp]

who are you and why you tag me?

https://tenor.com/view/abridged-dbz-vegeta-i-need-an-adult-gif-14758709

[vague oracle]

Lmao doesn’t exist rn

[jade scarab]

I need one my friend will Bot one so I can use it

[granite imp]

you're going to overpay for an old used card that sold for $150 msrp at launch

lmao

https://www.ebay.com/itm/383548225228?epid=26038238641&hash=item594d4176cc:g:5gcAAOSw0etevy8N

lulz

there

[obsidian wigeon]

tbh

going used is better than that

wait nvm that's used too

rip

[fossil cedar]

Wait like a year and a bit for that price, nothing out yet, mb a 3050 or 3050 ti when they come out

[jade scarab]

My friend will Bot it

[fossil cedar]

Use integrated graphics for the moment

[jade scarab]

I’m AMD

[fossil cedar]

[jade scarab]

He isn’t gonna bot a 3060 or anything I’m gonna trade a 3700x with a GPU

[fossil cedar]

Then a gt 1030 stop gap card or used 1650 super or 1660 (super/ti)

[jade scarab]

The 1660 part is what I’m thinking

Only temporary

GPU not forever

[somber cobalt]

anyone want to check my build-list and tell me what I'm missing/how I could improve?

[vague oracle]

Send it

[odd crypt]

What's a good gpu that ain't a bitcoin for i3 10100

[vague oracle]

Budget?

[somber cobalt]

just in the chat? or DM?

[odd crypt]

600

[vague oracle]

Chat

I’d try to find maybe like a 1660 super, 3060, 3060ti or 3070

Of course that’s if you can find them for MSRP

[little osprey]

Okay

I finally got my standoffs

[somber cobalt]

DIYPC AVVUS-W-ARGB White Steel / Tempered Glass ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with 1 x 120mm Halo ARGB LED Fan Pre-Installed
ASUS AMD AM4 ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX Motherboard with PCIe 4.0, WiFi 6, 2.5Gbps LAN, Dual M.2, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 Gen 2
ASUS ROG Strix Radeon RX 6900 XT 16GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 x16 CrossFireX Support ATX Video Card ROG-STRIX-LC-RX6900XT-T16G-GAMING
AMD RYZEN 9 3900X 12-Core 3.8 GHz (4.6 GHz Max Boost) Socket AM4 105W 100-100000023BOX Desktop Processor
Toshiba 8TB Enterprise HDD SATA 6.0Gb/s 512e 7200 RPM 256MB Cache 3.5" Internal Hard Drive MG06ACA800E
GIGABYTE AORUS Gen4 M.2 2280 1TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 3D TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) GP-AG41TB
G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Intel XMP 2.0 Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C18D-64GTZR
ASUS TUF Gaming VG279QL1A 27" HDR Gaming Monitor, 1080P Full HD, 165Hz (Supports 144Hz), IPS, 1ms, FreeSync Premium, DisplayHDR 400, Extreme Low Motion Blur, Eye Care, 2x HDMI, DisplayPort
Corsair M65 RGB ELITE Tunable FPS Gaming Mouse, White, Backlit RGB LED, 18000 dpi, Optical
Microsoft Windows 10 Home - Full Retail Version 32 & 64-Bit (Download)
Gamdias Hermes M5 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Blue Switches
Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound AS5-3.5G
Pioneer DM-40-W Speaker System - Desktop - White
be quiet! 250W TDP Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler with Silent Wings - PWM Fan - 135 mm
ASUS ROG STRIX 850G 850W White Edition Power Supply, ROG Heatsinks, Axial-tech Fan Design, Dual Ball Fan Bearings, 0dB Technology, 80 PLUS Gold Certification, Fully Modular Cables, 10-year Warranty

[little osprey]

I put everything together and have been reading the manual

It says that there are qled check key components that light up if an error is detected

[vague oracle]

I MEANT PC PART PICKER

pcpartpicker.com

[vague oracle]

Yeah there should be 4 leds somewhere on the board

What’s the problem?

[little osprey]

Doesn't post

VGA is lit up

But I don't know if each LED is supposed to be a certain color

[vague oracle]

Try reseating your GPU

And are both plugs plugged in?

[little osprey]

From the PCIE?

[vague oracle]

Yeah

If so, reseat the GPU and make sure it’s properly seated

Do you have integrated graphics?

If so try booting from those

[somber cobalt]

doh!

[little osprey]

Ah

And when everything is plugged up

My CPU is inactive

Though I'm guessing that is because the mobo needs a bios update

Even then

Isn't the mobo still able to post

Without the cpu

[vague oracle]

Nope

Without the cpu it can’t post

What mobo and what cpu?

[little osprey]

Asus TUF Gaming X570-Pro Wifi

And a Ryzen 5 5600x

So I know the bios needs an update already

I have the file on a flash drive downloaded already

[vague oracle]

Yeah but it should be pretty simple with the board’s flashback

[little osprey]

Do I need to extract it

Or leave it as a zip

[vague oracle]

You extract it onto the pc you downloaded it on

Then run the file renamer in the folder

It’ll rename the other file to what is has to be named

Then drag the renamed file onto the USB

[marsh kiln]

What is the max supported ram in a Dell poweredge r200

[somber cobalt]

@vague oracle https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qkgQ4d

[vague oracle]

8Gb

[little osprey]

Says to copy the name onto the root of the drive

[vague oracle]

Ok what’s the budget?

[cerulean trellis]

@somber cobalt Why 3900x

[vague oracle]

One sec first I just want to know the budget and I’ll fix it

[vague oracle]

Extract the file into your download folder

Then send me a picture of the files in the extracted folder

[somber cobalt]

@vague oracle $5k

[vague oracle]

And what’s the use for this pc?

[vague oracle]

Run BIOSRenamer

[somber cobalt]

@cerulean trellis generally prefer AMD, hedging future-proofing, but open to others

@vague oracle part gaming, part dev

[vague oracle]

Ok yeah already was planning AMD since high end

[little osprey]

It's open

[vague oracle]

Ok that’s all the info I need

Give me a few minutes

[little osprey]

It says this file has been renamed

[vague oracle]

Yeah now just drag that CAP file onto a USB

And you’re good to go

[little osprey]

It already was

Do I need to remove the renamer from the drive?

[vague oracle]

Nope

[fleet pagoda]

What is this metal thing

How do i remove it

[vague oracle]

Actually yeah

Just have the CAP file on the root of the USB drive

[vague oracle]

Quick question. RGB yes or no? Also are you planning to OC at all?

[little osprey]

Just that file by itself, only thing on the drive should be fine then

[somber cobalt]

@vague oracle rgb preferred, not essential. OC might be nice but I'm not going to spend a lot of time tuning this for max perf

[vague oracle]

Ok yeah give me a minute or two

@somber cobalt White or black build?

[somber cobalt]

white

(ultimately may be painted, but that's another issue 🙂

[vague oracle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3yH8Vc

@somber cobalt

[somber cobalt]

tks - reviewing

@vague oracle 5900x vs 3900x - is the 5900 worth the extra?

[vague oracle]

Yes

Definitely yes

[little osprey]

Okay

I got a free copy

Of Windows 10

From the creation tool

Put on a 16gb usb

Do I update bios first and then put Windows on

[full atlas]

Should I offer my 2700x + 50$ for this combo?

[little osprey]

Sure

well

I would

[somber cobalt]

@vague oracle you switched AMD to NVIDIA on the GPU...?

[vague oracle]

Yeah

A 3080 would do you a lot better than a 6900xt

[vague oracle]

Do it, you have nothing to lose

That’s all from me for today, goodnight y’all!

Oh quick note, unless you absolutely need a 6900xt or 3090 there’s no point to getting one

[marsh kiln]

What would be a good price range for a Dell poweredge r200?

[little osprey]

I haven't done my flashback yet

But is there a reason my cooler doesn't spin

The fan will jump for a second when I turn it on

But it just sits there

The leds don't even turn on without having the remote hooked up to the psu

[vague oracle]

Hmm not sure

Flash the BIOS then see how it acts

[little osprey]

I'll do that yeah

Wait

How do I know when it's done

[teal linden]

Guys

Is putting your sata port in any port make any difference?

Like i got 6

I put it in my last one

I dont know now i need to remove it...

[little osprey]

What do I do

It still doesn't post or anything

[teal linden]

Nvm im a idiot

@little osprey also amazing system looks cool

This is mine

[marsh kiln]

How well could a dell poweredge r200 run a minecraft server?

[frank stirrup]

peel the caution sticker

[white laurel]

@little osprey the no post do you see any lights for CPU, DRAM, etc light up?

[frank stirrup]

blinky light go off

[white laurel]

Which light blink and go off?

[frank stirrup]

depends as to what mobo it do be

[white laurel]

@frank stirrup I concur on that caution sticker..lol

[frank stirrup]

there is always some light that blinks during a flashback tho

[white laurel]

she said " haven't done my flashback yet"

[frank stirrup]

.

lmao

[white laurel]

best way to test a no post is to have other working parts handy. Like spare cooler, RAM, GPU, PSU etc... and also always check the front panel Pins

[frank stirrup]

or

do the flashback

[white laurel]

yeah you can flash the board 'but if the hardware isn't working then your SOL

If it's the motherboard, the flash and reset button help 'but if you have a bricked motherboard then that's when you're really out of luck.

Had an issue with my new build, found out it was the front panel controller. solder joint to the power on was soldered together with the reset button errr

Took it apart and used my own solder job on the PCB 😉 Fixed the issue.

[fleet pagoda]

Can i turn my pc on without the cpu cooler just to see if this thing still works the aio wont fit in the case so i guess thats another thing ill have to buy

The ram wont even come out

I cant switch that

[white laurel]

You sometimes can fool it to think the cooler is still on 'but you'll still need to have the cooler plugged into the PWM CPU on the MB.

[earnest olive]

don't do it

[fleet pagoda]

Okay

Guess ill just buy a new case

I hate this pre build

[white laurel]

some motherboard manufacturers are different so it's worth the try

[fleet pagoda]

Why cant i open the ram slots the bottom one just doesnt open

[white laurel]

New Motherboards only have one clip on the ram slot that open the other clip normally is locked into position

again some motherboard manufacturers are different some clips on the ram slot open on both ends and others it's just the one

[earnest olive]

not really a new thing

i have a board from 2013 with slots like that

[little osprey]

why your 3080 is in rma 🤔

[earnest olive]

died

[little osprey]

which one was it

[earnest olive]

vision

[little osprey]

damn... hope my 3090 vision will not doa

[earnest olive]

died after 6 months

worse than doa

[desert gulch]

So did you ever figure out why it'd work in a totally different system or when forced to pcie 3.0 speeds?

[earnest olive]

it didn't

lol

[desert gulch]

Oh wait it was csm itd work with right?

[earnest olive]

"work" is generous

i plugged it into my daily rig

seemed to work

launched a game

instant crash

[desert gulch]

Oh yeah forgot about that lol

You gonna repad the next one or nah?

[fossil cedar]

Highly doubt padding was the prob btw

[fleet pagoda]

Will a nzxt h510 fit a 3070

And 240mm aio

[fossil cedar]

Don't do that pls

Nzxt h510 is a literal oven

[fleet pagoda]

Oh

[earnest olive]

for sure

[fleet pagoda]

Ill check for a new case

[earnest olive]

gigglebyte's stock pads suck

[fossil cedar]

@fleet pagoda p360a, p400a, corsair 4000d airflow instead, all around the same price

[earnest olive]

repad dropped temps by more than 40c

[fossil cedar]

Haven't seen gigglebyte lol

Jeeez

[fleet pagoda]

Hows this case

Ive used the p400a before

I wanna try a new one

[fossil cedar]

@fleet pagoda try the p360a or p500a or corsair 4000d airflow or td500 mesh then

[earnest olive]

anything that has fans trying to suck air out of a solid glass panel is bad

[fossil cedar]

What do you mean the fans can't suck air out of solid glass/metal (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[earnest olive]

abkoncore in shambles

[marsh kiln]

https://wccftech.com/smugglers-caught-with-256-intel-cpus-strapped-to-body/

Wtf

[native jacinth]

Can the 3060 ti run 4K on dlss

[desert gulch]

Yeah

Depending on title, you may need to drop settings a bit to get playable frame rates

[rich helm]

@static ravine @mossy citrus this is what we did were going to do lol

[mossy citrus]

Yes

Oh shoot they got the stuff we wanted

[marsh kiln]

lol

[open oxide]

hi

[open oxide]

hmm

welp

[hallow glen]

1660 ti

uh

where did that ping come from

yeah its because you dont have a rank yet

sure

[plucky kiln]

i can’t use a drill right? lol i don’t have a screw driver but i have a drill

[hallow glen]

get a screwdriver

[plucky kiln]

is there like a specific one

like size

[hallow glen]

uh

idk

look it up

[plucky kiln]

alr

[vague oracle]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME

[potent portal]

I had accepted that as fact a long time ago and swapped my pads. Plus a heatsink on my backplate with a fan lol.
Dropped my vram temp from 108 and throttling to 94 not throttling when mining.

[vague oracle]

I opened my windforce 2070 a month after getting it only to find the pads completely dried out

[potent portal]

Definitely greasy AF so not surprised there

My janky gpu

[vague oracle]

Lmao for a second I thought it was somehow mounted upside down

[earnest olive]

i put an intel stock cooler heatsink on my backplate

and put a fan on top of it

and even put thermal paste between the backplate and heatsink

it didn't do anything for temps

[potent portal]

Depends on your gpu. My backplate on my 3090 was getting SUPER hot to the touch, like it could leave a burn on my finger hot.

[vague oracle]

I mean yeah with a 3090 you have some VRAM chips on the back of it

[lyric thistle]

don't touch the hot gpu

[earnest olive]

my backplate got kinda hot too

but not burning finger hot

just "don't touch this" hot

[vague oracle]

^

[potent portal]

Active backplate seems to be a must have for 3090

If you're mining or something else heavy on the vram controller

And honestly if you have a 3090 and you're not mining, WHY?

[vague oracle]

Not that interested in mining

I’ve tried it but too little profit to be worth it in my case

[potent portal]

High power cost?

[vague oracle]

Yep

[potent portal]

That would be the one good excuse then lol

[vague oracle]

Lol

[potent portal]

It's only 10-14 cents per kw/h here

[vague oracle]

Lucky

[potent portal]

So I'm taking full advantage of that and hitting my poor fuse box with 10 amps of load 24/7

(I often hear the fuse box crying in distress if I run the vacuum while I'm mining)

[vague oracle]

Happens to me with one of my breakers when I have the AC and Hair Dryer going at the same time

Where I am it’s about 25 cents kw/h

Wut?

[potent portal]

You could still make about $5 a day but you'll also be running the AC more

[potent portal]

Troll is my guess, or completely clueless

[vague oracle]

Just clueless

[potent portal]

Yeah, you'll have a hard time hitting 144 fps with just about any game on that cpu unless you overclock it, and even then...

And yes I saw the i7 but I get what they mean

[obsidian wigeon]

amd i7

[vague oracle]

The ultimate AMD/Intel collab

[static ravine]

lmao

[open oxide]

My friend saw this

Rtx becoming cheap day by day

Lol

[desert gulch]

lol

[frank stirrup]

Bruh indians do be moving mad nowadays tho

[earnest olive]

if gpus are that common in india i know where im moving

[open oxide]

Ok

[frank stirrup]

Probably knockoffs

[tough kettle]

Not knocoffs

Local retailers actually have a decent stock

Being sold for absurd prices

What normal Indian prices used to be before the GPU shortage was considered as scalped prices in the US

Now scalped Indian prices are as it is much much higher than Scalped US prices

[frank stirrup]

Not enough for people to carry em like that

Also I live in india lol

I know

[tough kettle]

So do I...

[tough kettle]

Where do you live

[frank stirrup]

near mumbai

[tough kettle]

Should come to Nehru Place, retailers have dozens of card that they scalp heavily

I see around 7-10 cards on average

per SKU

in a single shop at times

[frank stirrup]

Yee but I doubt they will carry legit cards like that

[tough kettle]

It's a meme, don't really care lol

[frank stirrup]

Fair

[steel musk]

maybe they're not actually RTX cards

maybe something else is inside the boxes

[frank stirrup]

almost like I said that already

[icy kestrel]

@frank stirrup @fossil cedar could you help me make a part list that would be fine till I upgrade it with a $1625 budget

[frank stirrup]

The only upgrades you will be realistically doing are GPU tho btw

since all new sockets and ram coming next year

or end of this year

[fossil cedar]

They only way to do that would be just not get the gpu till later on and use the integrated graphics

[icy kestrel]

Hmm

Well In the last part list I was going for a all white witch made me pay more for the cooler and mobo so what if I changed those and for the cpu I went with a ryzen 5 3600

Or this ryzen 7

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x/p/N82E16819113429?item=9SIAPRHEND2488&cm_sp=SP-_-652022-_-Pers_ProductAlsoView-_-4-_-9SIAPRHEND2488-_-9SIAWKTDTA6078-_--_-1

[jagged ember]

Oof why the 1700x

[icy kestrel]

Just pointing some ideas

[fossil cedar]

Both of those are awful options my guy

[icy kestrel]

Well can you help me out

[fossil cedar]

@icy kestrel jut do your list for intel and leave the gpu for the moment, only way to really bring it down while still having a good pc you can pop the gpu in to

[jagged ember]

11400 or 11500

former is cheaper, latter has better igpu

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[maiden pawn]

Final piece of the new build FINALLY arrives today. I’ve had everything else for 4-5 days

[frank stirrup]

Which one?

[maiden pawn]

My AIO cooler

It’s an EK 360mm

[desert gulch]

damn thats a rly nice one

[maiden pawn]

Hoping so 🤞

[untold vessel]

Ayyyy Intel

I just got a raise, So my budget is more now

What do you think of this build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wzy8Vc

[desert gulch]

Increase cpu cooler

Or don't get a k

Do you want to overclock or nah?

[untold vessel]

Nah no ocing

[untold vessel]

Which cooler do you recommend?

What do you guys think of my newest build? --->

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wzy8Vc

***-I'll be using this Build for playing AAA Games at 4k60hz once I get a 3070 graphics card. But, for now, I'll be using it to just play Regular Minecraft with the 11600K's Integrated Graphics.

-I'm looking to save as much money as possible, but keep the same specs and levels of quality of all of the parts currently in the list. Do you guys have any suggestions to make my build cheaper?***

And here's the details of what I want to get done with this Build

[fossil cedar]

Still need scythe fuma 2 for 11600k

[untold vessel]

I'm not going to OC. Have any CPU recommendations so I can get a cheaper cooler still?

[fossil cedar]

Then 11400, it's sclaped atm but 189 regularly

[hallow glen]

😩

[untold vessel]

F

[hallow glen]

Goddamnit don't remind me

[desert gulch]

I'd recommend different hdd

[untold vessel]

I'd like the 11500 & 11600 Integrated graphics though

[desert gulch]

That one is smr

[untold vessel]

Which one?

[desert gulch]

Western digital equivalent is better

[untold vessel]

I'll check it out

[untold vessel]

Have a link?

[desert gulch]

Yea

No I don't have a link

[untold vessel]

tysm

oh rip

[desert gulch]

Should be in pcpp

[untold vessel]

Guess I'll be lookin

[desert gulch]

Ye

[untold vessel]

hold on

Why though

What specifically about the barracuda is bad

[untold vessel]

Because it's $50 more

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XtjG3C/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd2003fzex

VS.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mwrYcf/seagate-barracuda-computer-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm008

[desert gulch]

I think there's a non black one

[lyric thistle]

Seagate Barracuda uses shingle magnetic recording which layers the recording on top of previously recorded stuff like a shingle roof

[desert gulch]

Yea

It's not super reliable

[lyric thistle]

Don't need black just do blue

[desert gulch]

Lili hates barracuda

[lyric thistle]

Lili is also banned

[untold vessel]

I have no idea what that means but I'm intrigued nevertheless

Have a link to the blue one, guys?

[lyric thistle]

It allows for higher storage density and cheaper manufacturing I think

The downsides are slower speeds and lower endurance

[desert gulch]

Maniac you got a link?

[lyric thistle]

Am on phone

But it should just be Blue 5400rpm

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[untold vessel]

OOOOH i saw it

5400rpm

ok guys

new question

what's the difference between 5400rpm and 7200rpm

what even is rpm

[lyric thistle]

I have a 2014ish 1TB Barracuda and it's been decent

Faster rotation speed

[untold vessel]

i see

well how can a 5400 beat the 7200 barracuda?

[lyric thistle]

The recording type

[untold vessel]

ah, the shingles thingy?

[lyric thistle]

Smr vs cmr

Yep

[untold vessel]

i see

so

[lyric thistle]

I forget what cmr stand sfor

[untold vessel]

even though the 5400 is lower,

it is still better

[lyric thistle]

Should be about the same maybe

[hallow glen]

No

[desert gulch]

In reliability is where it'll stand out

[hallow glen]

Not anymore

[desert gulch]

It'll last way longer than that barracuda

[untold vessel]

Hold on, so which is faster?

[untold vessel]

I don't mind the lifespan, because I can easily upgrade

[untold vessel]

In terms of lasting, what do you mean? And, for how long?

[desert gulch]

They're about equal speeds in performance

But lifespan wise barracuda has higher failure rates earlier than the wd

[sand falcon]

Why are you getting a 11600k if you won't overclock?

[desert gulch]

We already told them bob

@lililabs

[sand falcon]

Do you listen to us at all @untold vessel?

This is the same basic build that you started with

[desert gulch]

Ok so where is she in the server?

Have fun trying to find her

[hallow glen]

Did they get banned again? O crap

[sand falcon]

Yup

[desert gulch]

Lol ye

What rule did she break this time bob?

[hallow glen]

Lololol

[sand falcon]

No clue

She might have just left

[desert gulch]

Doubt

[untold vessel]

Because currently it's cheaper and I suppose it's a higher model

[desert gulch]

Not cheaper

Best buy has it go in and out of stock regularly

[untold vessel]

Should I go down to a 11500?

[desert gulch]

11400 will come back at 189.99

[untold vessel]

Well, cheaper for now At least

[sand falcon]

Just get the 11500 at the normal price

[untold vessel]

I need the integrated graphics of 11500 or 11600

[untold vessel]

how long do you think that'll be?

[sand falcon]

Every few days

[untold vessel]

I do, I do, But then I was told that the quality of the pc was "garbage" and I needed to go slightly higher up in reliability now that I have the parts chosen

[sand falcon]

The quality was fine

[untold vessel]

I figured that it was going to be a long, long time since I got any replacement parts, so I wanted to now up the longevity of my pc

[sand falcon]

And you got an SN550?

[untold vessel]

Bob I'm going to honest with you chief I don't even know what a sn550 is

Please help

[sand falcon]

The SSD

[untold vessel]

okoko the ssd

so

is the longevity of the ssd bad

the one I have

[sand falcon]

That's a cheap budget SSD with a relatively low lifetime

It's DRAMless

[untold vessel]

Shoot

I don't know what dram is either

could you make a new ssd recommendation?

[sand falcon]

I already did

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fsqhP6/team-mp34-512-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4512g0c101

Remember this?

[untold vessel]

I do, But I'd like to go up to 1tb

[sand falcon]

What happened to budget?

You don't need a 1TB ssd

[untold vessel]

I also compared Team MP34 and Western Blue and found that Team MP scored significantly lower in every category

[untold vessel]

Yeeeeahhh funny thing about that, I just got a raise today

[sand falcon]

On what lol

MP34 is a much better drive

[untold vessel]

But of course even with the raise I still want to save at least a littleeee bit

[untold vessel]

https://pangoly.com/en/compare/ssd/wd-blue-sn550-1tb-nvme-vs-teamgroup-mp33-512gb Sequential Reads and that

[untold vessel]

Is there a link to a 1tb version?

[sand falcon]

Sequential reads mean nothing

Also that's an MP33 that you're comparing it to, not an MP34

And they're two different sizes

[lyric thistle]

Bad faith article? Couldn't be

[sand falcon]

Nah, it's just self selected parts. Don't blame the site for people picking bad comparisons

@untold vessel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZPXMht
Here's a list with some slightly better components. Fan could be upgraded to Fuma 2, up to you

You could also go back to the MPG for the PSU if you don't mind spending the little bit extra

[untold vessel]

Could I change back to the p300A case

[sand falcon]

You could, but the P400A is a much nicer case

Since you have a bit more budget now

[untold vessel]

Also what do you think about what intel said about the western blue hdd

Something about the singles of the baracuda?

not reliable and that?

[sand falcon]

Shingles don't effect reliability that much, they more effect write speeds

[untold vessel]

Hold on, I'll dm you in a little Bob, brb

[sand falcon]

Just talk here

[untold vessel]

Someone is screaming outside irl

[lyric thistle]

Ah ic

[sand falcon]

Main thing to note is that for the WD blue 2TB, there are two models that are the exact same size and RPM

There's the WD20EZAZ, which is faster, and the WD20EZRZ, which is slower

[lyric thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[sand falcon]

Easiest way to tell the difference is the cache size

AZ has 256MB, RZ has 64MB

[lyric thistle]

Is there a 64mb ver?

Ah

[sand falcon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bskwrH/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezrz
This is the RZ

[fast widget]

Hey guys I am doing my first build right now and the CORSAIR ICUE H100I RGB PRO XT (240mm) I ordered does not fit the motherboard I ordered. Could someone help me out in finding some compatible motherboards that are around $200?

[sand falcon]

That doesn't go on the motherboard

What motherboard did you buy?

[fast widget]

well the backplate for the cpu cooler does not fit the motherboard

[sand falcon]

Ah

What motherboard?

[fast widget]

lemme look

[plush sphinx]

I FOUND

[fast widget]

GIGABYTE X570 UD (AMD Ryzen 5000/X570/ATX/PCIe4.0/DDR4/USB3.2 Gen 1/Realtek ALC887/M.2/Realtek GbE LAN/Gaming Motherboard)

[sand falcon]

Those are compatible

[plush sphinx]

MSI B550 PRO

I FOUND MORE

[sand falcon]

Make sure you're using the AMD mounting mechanism and the the intel one

[fast widget]

ok i will check

[plush sphinx]

Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard

[sand falcon]

Looks like the AMD one doesn't use the backplate

[plush sphinx]

I THINK THIS ONE IS A GOOD ON E

[sand falcon]

Page 12 of your quickstart guide

[plush sphinx]

Gigabyte B460M DS3H Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard

THIS ONE IS ONLY 94$

\

[sand falcon]

You will want the AM4 mounting mechanism, not AM3

[sand falcon]

That's not even compatible with his CPU

[desert gulch]

Kek

[plush sphinx]

ITS COMPATIBLE

[sand falcon]

No

Also turn off caps lock

[little osprey]

kekse ?

[plush sphinx]

it is because the 5000 generation on amd also support b460

[sand falcon]

No it doesn't

[plush sphinx]

search on gooogle

[sand falcon]

It supports b450, b460 is intel

[plush sphinx]

i think b450 sry

not b460

it will support the 5th generation

[sand falcon]

b450 yes

b460 hard no

You will destroy an AMD CPU if you try to use it in b460

[plush sphinx]

i knoww

[sand falcon]

This is kinda a give away

[charred knot]

i'm new to PCs and have been wanting to build one and i got selected in the shuffle for the combo: GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ULTRA and GV-N308TAORUS X-12GD. is it worth it for $1950 pretax?
I was hoping to spend $1500-$2000 for my pc but was signing up to the shuffle thinking i would never get selected. is this combo a good way to start a pc for a beginner? and how much more would i need to spend?
thanks for any advice/help

[sand falcon]

It's a very expensive combo

For 1500-2000 you're probably looking more at a 3080, maybe 3070

[vague oracle]

That’s a 3080ti

[sand falcon]

I know

It's still expensive

[vague oracle]

True I thought you thought it was a 3060 because of the 12gb

[sand falcon]

N308TAORUS

[charred knot]

yeah i was looking to get a 3070 tbh but then i got selected for this and don't know if to bite the bullet on it
like i said this would be the start of my build, the only other thing i have is ssds

[sand falcon]

It's gonna put you a good deal above budget

There's probably at least $600 worth of parts that you'd need after that

[charred knot]

so just stick to budget? the benefits of the 3080 ti wouldn't be worth it over a 3070

[sand falcon]

~75-150 ram, ~250-350 cpu, ~100 case, ~25-100 cpu cooler, ~100-150 PSU

Stick with the budget

3070 can run every game out there at highest settings

Can even do 4k60 on most titles, easy

[charred knot]

alright man thanks for the help!
would a 3060 be worth it as well or just stick it out for a 3070?

[sand falcon]

3060ti yes, 3060 not really

The 3060ti and 3080 are the best cards price wise if you can get them at a reasonable price

[charred knot]

thanks again for the info! what a bad time to get into PCs lol

[violet crown]

Looking for a final build... being the new top of the line potentially water cooled... never had it before not sure on maintenance of that
but probably using 2x 3080 to mine... im just unsure on the MOBO, processor, case or watercooling material
Anyone know anything about hydro x series XD7?

[sand falcon]

You know that 3080s don't have nvlink, right?

[violet crown]

Is that so

They have to be ti?

[sand falcon]

No, it needs to be a 3090

Or a quadro

[fossil cedar]

Then get 11500 when it get the 11500 when it goes down in price

[median knot]

can anyone help me figure out wats wrong with my browser

im playing cod and on a different monitor i have twitch and it will keep on stuttering and when i tab out of cod it works fine

same for youtube

never did this before

[sand falcon]

Sounds like you're pinning your CPU, GPU, or ram

[static ravine]

what

[sharp tundra]

Hey guys, been awhile, I was wondering if any techies here knew of a good gaming laptop for $1500, it's gonna be playing battlefront 2, D2, Battlefield 2042, and gunfire reborn mainly.

Preferable one with a 120hz display aswell

[hallow glen]

This looks great https://www.newegg.com/abyssal-black-acer-predator-helios-300-ph315-53-78xb-gaming-entertainment/p/N82E16834360070

[brittle tinsel]

after reinstalling my audio drivers, if I open any video in movies and tv, I will lose all sound, occasionally it only disrupts discord. Headset is a razer kraken tournament v2 if it helps

anyone here willing to help? ive gotten nowhere in general chat.

[violet crown]

@sand falcon whats the best bang for buck and highest mh... 3090 due to its slaughter in MH compared to the 3080 for the price?
It looks like rx580s still kill....

Almost like I should just build a test bench to see if my last 2 rx580s still work

[sand falcon]

What are you mining?

[fossil cedar]

3090 and bang for the buck don't belong in the same sentence lol

[violet crown]

Preach

Not sure why anyone would give up the Mh to mine raven while its cheap....
But itd probably be etc

Unless eth2.0 effects etc

[sand falcon]

Ethereum is dropping GPUs in a few weeks, so that'll be weird

Raven no clue

In general, get whatever is the most power efficient

[violet crown]

Well lately I've been mining about $60 in etc every few days...
But people arnt staking etc right? Their still using gpus to conduct transactions?

[sand falcon]

Ethereum is completely changing how it works

[violet crown]

So what is everyone switching too?

[sand falcon]

No clue lol

There's not really one clear alternative for GPU mining

[desert gulch]

Chia chia chia

[sand falcon]

There are a few others that use the same basic set up as Ethereum, but they're not worth as much

Bitcoin and its family are impractical on GPU, chia is SSD...

Have fun lol

[desert gulch]

Lol

Can't you do chia on ram?

[sand falcon]

Mine dogecoin, at least then you'll be contributing to society

[sand falcon]

You can, it just uses a lot of ram

[desert gulch]

Ye lol

[sand falcon]

Join the doge F@H team and they give you doge. Win win

[violet crown]

Well I have a few ASICS I may set up for ltc and doge and btc.... but not sure why we need 120mh coming from a gpu if its not for mining efficiency.. just VR

[sand falcon]

ASICs can generally only be used for the algorithm they're designed for

If they're eth ASICs, they're not gonna work for btc or doge

Though I hope they aren't eth ASICs, cause those are kinda silly

[junior crescent]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sGWmt8 It's for Gaming (1440p ultra), Streaming and some editing. My budget is $1900 usd

[desert gulch]

I'd change psu, ssd, and cooler and then it looks good

Psu could be enermax revolution df 850

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/42gZMv do this

you can use the 360 elite extra fans as case fans

[desert gulch]

Ye

[stoic island]

Btw, thought eth 2.0 is still going to take a few months to get implemented and for eth 1.0 to not be mineable anymore

[fossil cedar]

Yeah thought it was a good few months at least 2022

[stoic island]

Yea

There's like a feature update soon, but it shouldn't do anything to mining iirc

[fossil cedar]

Yeah just improvements r sum

[sudden pine]

Can anyone help me fix my newly upgraded build only booting into bios and not to window? Boot order on the MSI board is set to hard disk first. I have a boot 2.5in SSD drive with windows installed from my old system in SATA port 1... its just not booting to it. only to BIOS

[fossil cedar]

If the ssd is not showing up in boot order, make sure the power and data ports are plugged into it

[sudden pine]

would it be beneficial to unplug all other drives BUT that one?

[fossil cedar]

it shouldnt but mb try a different sata port/cable

[sudden pine]

hmmm kk i will try that

[untold vessel]

Guys, which is better? https://pangoly.com/en/compare/hdd/wd-blue-2tb-wd20ezaz-vs-seagate-barracuda-st2000dm008-2tb

The Seagate Barracuda at a quick glance, obviously has a higher RPM, but I've been told in the past that the Seagate Barracuda uses a faulty form of storage, called "Shingles" that makes the lifespan of the component short. Is that even true? Which one is better?

[shadow pebble]

I’m getting my newegg custom build tomorrow (only a week from order date) as opposed to cyberpowerpc who had a 2 month lead time until they possibly ship it. Stoked

[somber cobalt]

saying "Seagate Barracuda... uses shingles" is a fallacy... SOME Seagate Barracuda drives use shingled media. You need to look at the specs of the specific drive you're looking at

[sharp tundra]

@hallow glen that laptop is over budget by $100, over $300 without sale.

[somber cobalt]

I can tell you that no 2TB drive is going to be shingled

[hallow glen]

ok

[untold vessel]

So which one is better

[somber cobalt]

shingled media gets you higher media density, so may be used in 12+TB drives, but not in a 2TB drive

[sharp tundra]

@hallow glen if it was me buying it, I'd probably get it, but I'm not

[fossil cedar]

Get the wd blue with 64mb cache instead, it's best :)

[somber cobalt]

not a lot to choose between those two drives.. toss a coin? 🙂

what's your use model?

[untold vessel]

Didn't Bob say that the 64mb catch is the worse one?

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bskwrH/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezrz

[somber cobalt]

read heavy? write heave? continuous? intermittent?

[untold vessel]

@fossil cedar

[fossil cedar]

Idk who bob is but no it's better

[fossil cedar]

Ohh 1 sec

[untold vessel]

@fossil cedar

[somber cobalt]

the seagate probably outperforms the WD - faster spindle speed

[sand falcon]

Seagate is also SMR iirc, so it will have slower writes

[fossil cedar]

I've been informed by mr1111 that the 64mb cache is better as it has cmr iirc

[stoic island]

The 2tb drives with a large cache usually use smr

[sand falcon]

One sec

[stoic island]

Source for checking which wd/hgst drives are smr
https://hddscan.com/blog/2020/hdd-wd-smr.html

Seagate is crappy and doesn't disclose which drives are cmr or smr

but in the end it doesn't matter that much to the usual consumer

[sand falcon]

They do though

[untold vessel]

So Bob

Which one is the better one

[untold vessel]

https://pangoly.com/en/compare/hdd/wd-blue-2tb-wd20ezaz-vs-seagate-barracuda-st2000dm008-2tb

[stoic island]

I don't think they do for consumer drives

I know they say for ironwolf and such, higher end nas drives

[fossil cedar]

The 64mb cache version afaik

[sand falcon]

What is this pangoly site lol

You keep linking it

[fossil cedar]

Think it's supposed to be a compare function

[untold vessel]

Its a comparison site

[sand falcon]

But it gives basically no actually useful information

[untold vessel]

I'm reading that the seagate barracuda uses shingles

[sand falcon]

Both do

[untold vessel]

well shoot

Bob, have a link to one that isn't shingled?

[sand falcon]

Do you care though?

How much are you going to be writing to them

[celest sun]

Seagate is 💩

[sand falcon]

@untold vessel you want 7200 or 5400 rpm?

[untold vessel]

7200 preferably but a link to both, please!

[sand falcon]

Well, here's the cheapest CMR 7200rpm 2TB HDD that's not just some weird one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TgDzK8/western-digital-red-pro-2tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd2002ffsx

[rough acorn]

Looking to get a wireless adapter for my Asus Prime b560 plus, any recommendations?

[sand falcon]

I really don't think you care if the drive is CMR or SMR though. You're just going to be using it for game storage, right?

[celest sun]

WD Blacks are great for games

the 7200 RPM is decent

[fossil cedar]

At that point you could almost get a 4tb Toshiba x300 jeez

[fossil cedar]

Anything with intel ax200

[sand falcon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bskwrH/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezrz
And the cheapest CMR 5400

Again though, I don't think it will really matter

[untold vessel]

I see

And me NVMe storage ssd will handle everything, right bob?

what happens when my SSD is filled up though? @sand falcon

[sand falcon]

Wait

What?

Okay, back up

[untold vessel]

hold on

I don't even know how to ask this question

[sand falcon]

How do you think this works?

[untold vessel]

ok uh

so i know that SSDs are faster than HHDs

HDDs*

[sand falcon]

Yes

[untold vessel]

so

I thought, to save money, why not get a 3TB CMR HDD?

[fossil cedar]

You just gotta start installing stuff on your hdd? Or you can start by putting your steam library on the HDD for example

[untold vessel]

But then

I thought

Well no,

[sand falcon]

You need an SSD

[untold vessel]

I need at least 1 TB in SSD

[fossil cedar]

Odd numbers are wack get 2tb or 4tb

[untold vessel]

yeah yeah

[dusky kindle]

Anyone have experience with the be quiet 500dx case or the fractal design Meshify 2 compact? I'm having a hard time beciding between these two

[sand falcon]

No, you need at least 128gb ssd

[untold vessel]

So my question here

[fossil cedar]

Even 500gb ssd is plenty

[sand falcon]

512gb is what I'd recommend as a max

[untold vessel]

is what happens once my 1TB SSD is filled up

or do SSDs not fill up

are they more like brains for the HHDs?

[fossil cedar]

Why those 2 cases in specific?

[celest sun]

You clean it up, wtf?

[untold vessel]

HDDS

[fossil cedar]

Nope that's the cpu that's the brain

[dusky kindle]

They are the two I like the most. I want a compact mod atx

[stoic island]

SSDs are separate storage devices from HDDs

[untold vessel]

I'm talking LONGGG long term, like when everything in the SSD is important

[stoic island]

You usually don't want to pool them together

[sand falcon]

How storage on a gaming rigs work is you store your OS, some important files, and the games you play most often on the SSD. Everything else goes directly to the HDD

[untold vessel]

I know

[celest sun]

1tb that shouldnt happen if the drive is dedicated to windows

[fossil cedar]

You can put stuff on your hdds before your ssd fills up, it's just a separate drive

[celest sun]

I had a 128GB windows install on a SSD, filled up within a year with just software

[untold vessel]

I see. What happens when the most often games take up 1tb and beyond?

[stoic island]

Yea, only put programs you use most often on the SSD, or things that are more time sensitive on the SSD, everything else to the HDD

[sand falcon]

Generally you'll see maybe 300-400 GB used on an SSD

[stoic island]

Not happening yet though

[celest sun]

Games don't take up 1TB? Holy crap

[fossil cedar]

I see, imo meshify 2 then

[untold vessel]

I know, But what happens when / if it does?

[celest sun]

Ark is close, at somewhere around 180 GB

[sand falcon]

Then you store on the HDD

[stoic island]

The question isn't when, the question is if tbh

[sand falcon]

There's no way you play 1TB+ of games every day

[fossil cedar]

Just store stuff on the hdd instead

[celest sun]

Spread the love!

[stoic island]

Technology is always advancing, I can't tell you about the future, but I can tell you about now.

[sand falcon]

512GB SSD and 2TB HDD is a very good balance

[stoic island]

Yea, 512gb SSD + 2tb hdd is pretty common

[untold vessel]

Okay, so you guys are basically saying, just get 1 tb ssd and 2tb hdd, and for the hdd, just don't even BOTHER with the CMR, and just get the cheaper Shingled Versions, because there is no way that I will ever play 1tb of games in 1 day?

[celest sun]

Or, hear me out, buy another storage drive in like a year

[stoic island]

@untold vessel just remember drives are relatively cheap, and are only really getting cheaper, when you need it, buy another drive will usually do the trick.

[sand falcon]

No, we're saying you get a 512GB SSD with a 2TB HDD

[stoic island]

And why not bother with cmr....?

[sand falcon]

SMR vs CMR is a different issue

[stoic island]

It's nice to have for better reads and sustained reads iirc

[sand falcon]

If there's a good CMR drive available for cheap, get it

[untold vessel]

okay okay okay wait wait wait

So i need a CMR HDD

[sand falcon]

No

[stoic island]

Not a need, very nice to have

[untold vessel]

because it is significantly faster?

[sand falcon]

No

[untold vessel]

Ok but howwwww nice to have? is it worth the extra bucks?

[fossil cedar]

You probs wont notice

[stoic island]

If you're only worried about the experience, it doesn't matter that much for most people

[sand falcon]

It's writes data faster, but realistically you won't notice, and game drives mostly read data anyway

[untold vessel]

okokok, I see

[dusky kindle]

Can easily happen If you have a lot of games downloaded

[sand falcon]

If all you will do on the drive is store games, CMR and SMR don't really make a difference

[untold vessel]

So in summary, just get the cheap $49.99 2TB WD Blue HDD?

[sand falcon]

Yup

[untold vessel]

or should i spend $55.00 on the Seagate 2TB HDD for the 7200 RPM?

[sand falcon]

Barracuda if you want slightly faster loads, not a huge difference though

512GB MP34 and 2TB WD Blue is probably your best bang for the buck right now

And I know you want a 1TB SSD, but seriously

That is just wasted money

[untold vessel]

Why so, Bob?

[sand falcon]

Simple, you will almost certainly not need that extra space

[untold vessel]

(because I'll never play 1tb of games daily?)

[sand falcon]

Yup

[untold vessel]

Heh, this is cool

I think i finally at least 75% know what I'm talking about

thanks for being so patient with me bob

[sand falcon]

And in the off chance that you do, that motherboard that you had in the last list can have two NVMe SSDs in it

So you could just add another down the line for more storage

Same with HDDs, you can always just plug in another

[untold vessel]

You're right

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ChrisCeraso/saved/#view=JJbgBm

here's the list you gave me bob

What can I change?

[fossil cedar]

I would go sn550, it's slightly cheaper atm last time i checked anyway

[untold vessel]

Change the case to a p300a, switch to a cheaper 650watt power source, and that's it?

[sand falcon]

That's a private list, I can't view it

[sand falcon]

sn550 is dramless

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PmDmt8

yeah pato

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but it's still great

[untold vessel]

I heard that the sn550 is bad from bob

[sand falcon]

It's dramless

[untold vessel]

because I want my components to last

[fossil cedar]

Doesn't mean it's bad

[untold vessel]

longevity wise

[sand falcon]

MP34 is faster and has a much better TBW, and isn't that much more expensive

[fossil cedar]

@sand falcon

Still got insane rand speeds

[untold vessel]

hm

what do you think, bob?

[pale dust]

did lili get banned again

[sand falcon]

mp34

[untold vessel]

mp34 it is

[sand falcon]

You have an MP33 in this list

Don't get the MP33

[untold vessel]

mp34?

[sand falcon]

MP34 yes, MP33 no

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FFXhQD

[untold vessel]

is the mp34 worth the $12 more?

[sand falcon]

Yes

100%

[untold vessel]

got it

(why so though?)

(just wondering)

[sand falcon]

The mp33 is a completely different drive, it has a worse controller and uses HMB

[fossil cedar]

I would get the msi 750w agf for that peice

[sand falcon]

Is the AGF that price right now?

👀

[untold vessel]

How about the psu though bob

[fossil cedar]

Nvm price went up, think it was on sale for a bit

[fossil cedar]

The 650w is that price tho

[sand falcon]

Nice

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bq6qqs/msi-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpg-a650gf

[fossil cedar]

@untold vessel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cgzHHz if you don't mind mail in rebate

[desert gulch]

Amp is cheaper rn I think for 650, and supernova gt 650 is only 50 bucks rn

[sand falcon]

Supernova had gone back up last I checked

The sale ended

[desert gulch]

Oh yeah It did

Sad

Check amp still

[fossil cedar]

But 85$ revo df with 15$ mir

[sand falcon]

amp 650 is at scalp prices rn

$97

Which is more than the 750 😦

[untold vessel]

Hey bob

[fossil cedar]

Amp only good value at the 650w usually anyway

[desert gulch]

Sad

[untold vessel]

Ok guys

So

For the past 5 days of having a crash course in pc building from the advice of 80 people in 7 different discords

here is the build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Yx2z3Z

What do you guys think?

@fossil cedar @desert gulch @sand falcon @stoic island

[sand falcon]

I'd swap the ram out

[untold vessel]

sahdugoasdhbikguoljasdhbg

For what, bob?

[sand falcon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WphmP6/team-t-force-dark-za-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tdzad416g3200hc16cdc01

One of those

[untold vessel]

hold on

[sand falcon]

Crucial if you want faster, Team if you want cheaper

[untold vessel]

But the team 3200

i have the same one

but its 3600

[sand falcon]

Not really

[untold vessel]

shouldn't i get the 3600?

[sand falcon]

Not necessarily

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n2bVNP

[untold vessel]

Wait why

[sand falcon]

The 3600 you have and the 3200 that I linked end up having the same exact latency

[untold vessel]

isn't 3600 better than 3200

well shoot

[sand falcon]

Some 3600 is better

[untold vessel]

so this is a case of saving money?

[sand falcon]

That's not the full story though

The ones you have are 3600cl18

[untold vessel]

yeah

[fossil cedar]

Well that's not completely true, pcpp latency only accounts for cl and no other timings

[untold vessel]

They're the same ones (i think) but they are 3600 instead of 3200 and are only $2.00 more

[fossil cedar]

And this would be better for the igpu

[sand falcon]

Pretty sure these sticks both use the same die

[untold vessel]

which would be better for the igpu

[desert gulch]

Rev e for ballistix for sure

[sand falcon]

3600cl16 would be best

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2Byqqs/team-t-force-dark-za-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-tdzad416g3600hc18jdc01
VS.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WphmP6/team-t-force-dark-za-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tdzad416g3200hc16cdc01****

[fossil cedar]

Usually yes but still 3600cl18 most of the time better than 3200cl16

[untold vessel]

Should we not get the 3600 for $2.00 more?

[desert gulch]

Nah

[untold vessel]

is that cas latency

what does cas latency do

[sand falcon]

@fossil cedar FYI, on the part page it lists the full timing

[fossil cedar]

I would get ballistix 3600 if you can afford it

[untold vessel]

want to keep it under 700

[untold vessel]

tysm though i sincerely had that as the ram for the past 19 builds, seriously, 19 past ones

[fossil cedar]

Ohh didn't realize they were that loose on 3600 yikes

Lemme see what we can do

[untold vessel]

So which should I get?

[sand falcon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KvqwBc
Done, under 700

[untold vessel]

wait, isn't the seagate 7200 one better

[sand falcon]

Eh

Not that much better

Faster ram will make more of a difference than faster HDD

[untold vessel]

understood

[fossil cedar]

@untold vessel https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p8bVNP what about that?

[fossil cedar]

Actually yeah get the wd

[desert gulch]

Change out that hdd

Eww

Smr barracudas suck

[fossil cedar]

I didn't realize lol it was was in there before

[fossil cedar]

Ik i thought it was wd lol

[desert gulch]

Smh

[hallow glen]

hey @fossil cedar i cant find a 11500 basically anywhere, and i already have all other parts. what do you think i should do

(for a reasonable price)

[fossil cedar]

11400 usually comes back in at 189 regularly

[sand falcon]

11500 goes in and out every few days

[untold vessel]

Where, how, and why?

[hallow glen]

is there a good way to get one

[sand falcon]

Wait a bit and watch

[fossil cedar]

Has been out for the past few weeks from what ive seen?

[sand falcon]

• At retailers, usually in person is more likely to have it

• By getting more

• Because people buy them

You get a shipment, people buy them, and then you wait for the next shipment and people can buy more

[hallow glen]

lmao

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fDn8TW/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4r

VS.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2Byqqs/team-t-force-dark-za-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-tdzad416g3600hc18jdc01

Is it worth the Extra $16 to upgrade from Cas Latency 18 to Cas Latency 16?

[sand falcon]

It's not just the CL that you upgrade

All the other timings too

[untold vessel]

Oh, what else is it?

Ah

Soooo, worth the extra $16?

[sand falcon]

Yes

Ballistix are what, 16-16-16-38?

[untold vessel]

the ones you linked are 16-18-18-38

[fossil cedar]

Something like that yeah

[fossil cedar]

Yeah but they're 3200 16 18 18 38

Not 3600

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fDn8TW/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4r

They're 3600 16 18 18 38

[fossil cedar]

Thought you meant the previous above, yes it is worth the 16$, especially when using it with your igpu

[sand falcon]

Hmm, yeah, that appears to be the default

They can hit 16 16 16 38 pretty reliably though

[fossil cedar]

Sips is running 3800cl14 on 3600 ballistix so very easy for ballistix to hit those timings

[untold vessel]

tysm then

[fossil cedar]

Np

[sand falcon]

They aren't b die, but they're the next best thing

[untold vessel]

what's b die?

[sand falcon]

It's one of the memory chips that samsung makes

[untold vessel]

oh ok

Should I change it

the build

[sand falcon]

Change what?

To use b die?

[untold vessel]

ehhh nvm

done building for now

@sand falcon

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wbyLZZ

What do you think

[sand falcon]

Looks solid

[untold vessel]

Let's GOOO

Build time baby

[sand falcon]

If you're curious, this is an example of a ram kit with b die
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tm6qqs/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl14-memory-f4-3600c14d-32gtzn

[untold vessel]

Okay gang, it took me 5 days, but I'm here. What do you think of my build?

Will it support AAA Games at 4k60hz efficiently?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GDm7xc

[sand falcon]

Define efficiently lol

[untold vessel]

ehhhh

60fps?

[sand falcon]

Ah okay

Wait, that's a 3070ti

[sharp tundra]

@sand falcon hey, you know of a good gaming laptop for $1700

Like the best you can get for that price

[sand falcon]

I don't really do laptops. Clevo tends to be good

@stoic island The MPG 650 should be fine with an 11500 and 3070ti, right?

[sharp tundra]

@sand falcon could you at the other techies to see please?

[earnest olive]

absolutely

[sharp tundra]

If they know of a good one

[untold vessel]

Yep, what do you think of the new build here Will this build support AAA Games at 4k60hz efficiently?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/D2Tjz7

[stoic island]

I mean, the a-gf 750w was pretty cheap last I looked at it, might as well go that

[sand falcon]

Yeah, I'm kinda thinking the same way

It should be fine, but ya know

[stoic island]

Let's see, 3070ti draws around 300w max, possibly up to 400w <20ms spikes, from TPU testing, not much testing on 11500, going to assume 11400+a bit more iGP power draw, meaning just about 65w stock, about 160w max without PL, making the total around 560w max, plus about 100w rest of system power, brings you to around 660w max, not bad considering you'll probably not go with no PL on the 11500, and those are basically counting spikes, though a-gf is multi-rail, looks like 30a on the 12v rail for the GPU power, 25a for Mobo and 25a for processor, I'm going to check some more testing for the ocp trigger point on the GPU 12v rail tho

Actually, 3070ti should still run within spec of the PSU now that I think about it, since it'll draw around 50w of that 400w when spiking from the Mobo pcie slot, maybe more, meaning 350w from the GPU 12v rail, which should handle (30a*12v) 360w within spec

Theoretically should have much risk of tripping, although it's a bit close for comfort personally @sand falcon

[delicate verge]

Which case is this? I know it’s Lian Li but which model?

[untold vessel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Anyone have some good, cheap replacement cases that have 3 fans?

[sand falcon]

Fans are cheap

[untold vessel]

Just buy fans instead?

[sand falcon]

Also read this

[sand falcon]

If you like that case, yes

[untold vessel]

Could you reword what he said for dummies (Like me)

[untold vessel]

I don't mind the case! It could even be a cardboard box for me, I don't mind. Could You link some good fans for a new case for my build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

[sand falcon]

The PSU will be sitting right on the edge of what it's rated for when your system is on full blast

[sand falcon]

There's no list there

[untold vessel]

whoops! https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rZHnfP

[sand falcon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dLkWGX/asus-prime-b560-plus-atx-lga1200-motherboard-prime-b560-plus
😒

Also why is the 11500 at $200?

[untold vessel]

Is that motherboard bad?

[sand falcon]

It's throwing away ten bucks