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Pretty good
Okay thanks
neeeeRds
Apparently my 600w psu isn’t strong enough for my pc
I have lost hope on Bitcoin mining ⛏ these Gpu electric bill ain’t it dawg.
if you are gpu mining it should be eth
I'd assume they using nicehash and don't realise that it auto converts
prob but that should be profitable for them
Might not realize you need to oc it too lol
probably
oh god don't tell me they're running 3080 at full power
60 mh/s 320 watt wooo
thermal throttle
Probs lol
once I get my pc built I am gonna mine while not on it
hopefully pay a little of my pc back
Is a 6700xt a good card??
Is a 6800xt good?
most new thing are ok if you get it msrp
Nah had the 3080 founders edition normal settings.
finished my beginner build today- gtx 1080, i5-10400, 16gb ram, 450w psu, and 144hz monitor!
gg m8. is 450w enought for that?
i had that same concern. I went and looked it up and it only used 350ish, but if i see any signs of freezing, crashing, etc, i will bump it up to 600w-700 just to be safe
The 1080 alone can draw almost 300W in spikes
damn ok
200W constant draw
i could have a bit of a problem
Might wanna consider that as your next upgrade.
yeah i sent you one that i was looking at
that is the issue
mining at "normal settings" is almost the worst thing you can do to your card
id rather go for anything with an ax200 in it
theyre right around that price aswell
Can you give me a recommendation pls
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and its still pcie
is there a app that allows me to change the zoom and like exposure on my camera and web cam
you have a logitech webcam?
no
is that only for streaming
@desert gulch thank you i ordered it 🙏🏼 thank yoy broskie
ye np
How is my wire managing?
not bad
Really? OwO
I've been having issues with my gpu drivers, they keep crashing while playing things such as league and I get messages such as "your GPU drivers have been restarted. This may be due to an upgrade or physical removal". Do you think this might be due to old drivers overall? if I update, should it fix the issue?
I seem to have a lot of problems with it today and last night, my screens will ocassionally flicker on and off and then I have to hard restart my PC to get stuff going again
@ruby sentinel consider doing your front panel cables like this
i think it looks better for microatx in atx case
Too much RGB. TwT
otherwise looks about right
hey man it was for a customer
customer wants what the customer wants
Mine is a mid tower I think.
Okie dokie.
I like the place the ssd is stored but the cpufan seems 
I had it like that at first but didn't like how it looked.
it's a $400 build with an i3
ahh
integrated graphics?
rgb in $400 0.o
Built in RGB.
yeahhh the client is a 9 year old kid
cares more about rgb than performance
lol
the rgb fans in my personal build cost me $3 each
understandable
they're great
I did mine according to what was best and cheapest.
The PSU I bought was cheaper than the fire hazard I was going to buy.
I got arctic pst pwm's or somethin like that
they just released a hotfix driver you could try updating
if you're having problems right now consider using DDU instead of just straight updating
thought my pc was ded
well no
ddu?
the issues you're describing are not the issues that prompted the hotfix
just saying that now is a good time to update if you don't usually update your drivers often
but thats using the geforce experience app
i don't use geforce experience so can't speak for it
Hey, quick question. Did y'all get windows legit?
yeah, esp since im hoping to give it to my dad after I get a 3080 sometime
cause
and impossible to get
well i have a legitimate retail key that is detected as such by windows
it cost me $3 though

Dang
filter is there for a reason please don't evade it
So. . . Got any keys?
i can't sell you keys lol
lmfao
Wait, me avoiding filters?
My case has a top and bottom one. Magnetic
league players smh
Ohhhh
filters 
League bad.
I was called a honey bear by one and a kitten. Not my cup of tea.
must be nice
i usually get called something more along the lines of "inbred dog jungler"
that's what you want
I play top
so I just @ everyone else like that 
You're in bread? Sandwich gamer?
i'm sorry for your mental condition
Ya know, I think GTA is a bit more Toxic.
Or sports game players, they are angry people.
wii sports players be like
heated gamer moment
Wii sports good. Best gamers.
idk my gf got mad competitive in wii play
I never owned a Wii but my other relatives did.
I used to love wii sports resorts
lol
time to play some league of legends
Why no this?
@ruby sentinel nothing is technically wrong with using the bottom holes
i just think side looks better
was playing league with friends then my gpu drivers went 
What GPU you got?
980
its in his name bro
I spent all my money on stuff to fix other parts of my pc
now I have $20
-.-
had to replace mobo and cpu
i need to run league of legends at 42069 fps
and also did all my fans
Those are just random numbers to me.
ye thats the best lmfao
fps goes brrrr
It could be his bank account in me city for all I know.
i built my gf a pc with a 970
naisu
told her it would probably do 400 fps in league
she didn't believe me
it did 520
she upgraded from a laptop that averaged 40 and dipped to 3
i5-1035g1, 12gb ram, no dgpu
vnice
somehow infinitely worse than the igpu in my i7-10750h
my i7-10750h igpu can do 144 fps in league without overclocking
I run at 144 because otherwise I have had issues in the past
tho rn I think its more cause my monitor thats my secondary at school but primary at home is 1080
and my main monitor at school that's secondary at home is 4k
Did ya know Microcenter stocked up on 3070 ti and 3080 ti today?

i was considering camping microcenter ngl
lend me 2k 
when will they restock
Hahahah!
I spent all my money on the 500 PC I have now.
i'm hoping that if my gpu doesnt die, I can save 5k from my job this summer
and look at buying a trailer as a rental property
if i can get a downpayment of like 3k
I went for cheap and as soon as I got all my parts, I saw that there was an even cheaper PC with better specs
then have like 5-8k for repairs
It was AMD.
but i'll have to see 
amd 
I prefer amd over intel, but my intel cpu was much cheaper than the other ones
can't argue with intel price point
I saw some 3600s I think.
i prefer whatever gives me better performance for the price
i7-10750h + 3070 130W laptop for $1700? hell yeah
5800x for $313? hell yeah
It was too late for me. Already spent the money.
i got one of each
yeah, i got a 3600 before pandemic
it's enough for what i do anyways lol
but more performance would be nice
GPU?
2070
I got a b560m-a prime, an evga clc aio, 3 arctic pwm pst fans for 920 CAD with shipping included
and a 10900f
I can't camp at Microcenter. I have summer courses so I can get into Med school.
Hopefully in spring or fall or maybe never.
Basher, camp at a micro center for me and get me a 3070 ti or 3060 ti plz. Thanks.
I like at a major City
rural communities ftw
What's your wifi speed?
FTW?
for the win
Get project starlight or some crap like that. The thing Elon musk made for internet.
@Gabezilla_ I got the 3070 ti msi. I camp out micro center last night bro.
Crazy
Crazy
was gunna, but it is $800 for hardware, 120/month, and 100sumthin for installation fee
Did ya see the leaked bank statements and how much they paid in income tax?
0.3 percent of his income.
search up canadian great lakes $200,000 rubber duck
lol oh no, people are taking money from an extremely rich person!
see I don't mind that because he has worked his butt off to get to where he is. if that was old money built on multigenerational gain, and the person now is riding the coattails of his predecessors thats when i have an issue with it
Gov should take more tbh. They can't just make the people pay more.
Some of us have been working in construction for years, we work our butts off too.
naw. they can't even use their brain to spend what they have taken. Modern day theivery legalized by their own policy
should go #general-chat
Anyways, how does one get at least a 1660 super?
microcenter, bb drops, shuffle
i don't know any other way without scalpers
Need to look it up
best buy
Campers
mm
I want to go to a store and just be able to get one without anyone breathing down my neck and taking the box.
yoink
Much better no?
yeah, would be nice
Sorry.
but those are all my recommendations lol
First it was PS5s and now GPUs.
I have no gpu. XD
maybe if u give money they give their gpu
but that's all the ways i can think of lol
Holy crap.
I couldn't type and I was so confused.
Somehow I locked my keypad.
Bb drops is a makeup thing.
can some one help me im so confused about what cpu i want to get XD i dont even know were to start. can some on point me in the right direction?
start with budget
yah i have a budget of about 1500 (1250 usd) for the full pc
can you elaborate more?
Very good
just buy it
make 1000% sure your mobo is compatible tho
I used to have a i3 8100 and jumping from that to a i5 11400 was amazing. I felt like a god.
11400 is pretty pog
But if ya want a cheaper one you can go AMD but idk about that, I only had Intel.
3600 was 140 over here.
was tho
how much is 11400 over there?
so there is nothing else that i should consider?
sheesh
@hidden mural nothing
hasn't shifted yet, then
i feel like i should go buy one from microcenter before i leave socal
thought the 11400 was "meh"
no
You're meh!
the 11900K is "meh"
who said that lmao
the 11400 is king
is good cpu
i was considering 11600k not long ago
Gamers Nexus?
rather buy a 5600X and a b550 than an 11600k and a z590
lmao go watch again
thought they recommended the 11600 over the 11400
lol "thought"
Dang. One sentence got us all riled up.
im digging my 10700k so im good over here lmao
I bet you have a i7 or i9
nope
There ya go. No confusion.
ryzen 7 5800x
Great child
$313 brand new? heck yeah
11600 was reccomended for certain workloads
You abandoned your child.
I will call CPS.
for gaming, 11400 was reccomended
i mean seeing the benchmarks at least the 11600k seemed like one of the only decent buys out of the 11th gen
because why spend 300 bucks or whatever it was on a cpu when you could spend it on a a better gpu
anything over that was poo better off sticking with 10th gen
a a wierd chinese board and use 2 11400s
did they straighten out the driver issues with uhd750
mmm but it only has 2.6 ghz base and with my (arguably not good) googling was being told that you would want something with a 3 or higher ghz base for vr. is this not true?
clock speed isnt everything
I was kinda correct
also ub sucks
GHz number is more useless than userbenchmark
UserBenchmark is ass
11400 can go up to 4.2
if GHz told the whole story we wouldn't need reviewers
oh than what spec should i look at in a cpu?
I for some reason got it to 4.3
look at performance in benchmarks
i.e. gamersnexus
and pay attention to it's performance in the applications you're going to be running it with
GHz number is only to be used to compare the bin of chips of the same model. nothing else
just built my kids pc. gave him my 10700 so i was looking at what 11th gen had to offer for upgrade
seemed anything over 6 core was a waste of money
but i never see people do benchmarks for vr is there somewhere i can find this?
Isn't every Intel product 8 cores now?
i'd say 6 cores is already enough for most people anyways
most people do gaming and productivity
11400 has 6
GPU matters a lot more in VR than a cpu
i learned a lot over the course of a few months built my first pc this year started in february lol
yes i know
I learned that crying after you can't get your PC to work solves all your problems.
I got on discord and got help for something I didn't need help with and noticed my plugs where wrong.
at the time i was weighing 10600k vs 10700
11400!
11th gen hadnt been released yet lol
Oh
Sorry. I'm tired and I'm going threw this thing where I am dreaming yet texting
Nice bike helmet btw.
lol me too!
Nvm. It's a hat.
i picked the worst time to get into pc building
I thought it was a dirt bike helmet
nah just going to work lol
I mean, I did too but I made the most of it by spending hours looking for deals
same here
You work as a dirt bike guy?
cherry picking sales between newegg and best buy
Mine is between NewEgg, Microcenter, and Amazon.
food processing R&D
i got a corsair RM750 think it was around $100
But eating one hour before sleeping bad.
I got EVGA supernova 650w for $60+
From Amazon
my sons build we just finished i got a white corsair 550 for $70
WD black NVME 500gb was on sale for like $60 at best buy a couple weeks ago
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thats a good deal
@cobalt path
Adopt me for a day and buy me a M.2 ssd.
lmao!
Nvm. You're an RGB family. Too much happiness for me.
I love depression and AS so I have an all black PC.
Turned off all the RGB from the motherboard.
suppose we can load one up with black be quite silent wings
thats what they call their fans idk ask BeQuiet 😆
22 dollars for one?!
Mines mostly red if that helps lol
I'm dead. I no longer want to be a gamer.
Too expensive
You can't even see mine.
at least i didnt suggest Noctua
cooler master fans work just fine
Don't mind the drill. I was using it on the PC.
replacing the CPU?
What? No. Torturing it because it tortured me while building it.
so far i havent been tortured other than by the GPU shortage
But nah, it was because I used the drill to screw in the PSU so I removed it with the drill to rotate it so it takes air from the case but I couldn't.
GPU shortage bad. Me wants gamer time with more than 120 fps so I can laugh at those console players.
and retailers marking up gpus didnt help. newegg shuffle wasnt that good of a deal turns out
HAHA! I PAYED MORE TO PLAY THE SAME GAMES AT A SLIGHTLY HIGHER FPS!
Haha, I can play at 61fps
well to be fair a PS5 goes for $1,000
But MSRP
Something only pcmasterrace can do
BuT MsRp!
lol
lmao
My PC costed me almost 600 I say 500 because I can't bother with the other numbers.
I don't even have a GPU.
my kids pc was $600 less a gpu
i tacked on $300 for my 1660S 😆
Go to sleep dad. You kray kray
hes gonna be mowing my lawn for free for two years
Same.
ill build you a pc if i can use you for slave labor also 😆
Definitely not daddy
Jokes on you! I do that at home for free.
unless you wanna do something basic like open a text document lmao
can you do dishes and laundry? HIRED!
I don't like the word Daddy. Especially if anyone calls me that.
you have a good sense of humor son
I can cook, clean, mow lawns, trim bushes, tikes, grout, wood work, file taxes, and repair stuff at home.
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YES!
sell me a 3080 ti for $2,000 too
SOME GOOOD FREGIN NEWS
*Monke
lol
speaking of linus, his undercover dell experience was eye opening and then GN tear down of the Dell G5 was a joke
Dell is a joke
They haven't changed at all
Dell is ass
Still literally scamming customers
LOL GET REkT DELL
Me needs funny people friends for me to exploit for fame.
only reason dell is in business is they capitalized the professional market
Dell? More like
Don't
Ever
Let
L people take your money because you worked hard for it.
id like to see HP or Lenovo kick their ass 😆
they used to be good and now they are bad but people still think they good
@cobalt path
Canada or 'Murica?
im in the land of freedom boners
Also, doesn't thumper mean Bandonkadonk?
The wagon, big ol mountain, gluteus maximus.
Dell needs to a heftier lawsuit
Rabbit?
lmao
darn kids. thats thumper
Oh. Character name.
the disney bunny 😆
actually came from my first motorcycle. it would back fire and throw a fire ball out the exhaust when you turned it off "thump"
Like Mario?
i know and i could never find a turtle to run into
What if you hit a raccoon? Will your bike be able to fly like Mario?
Or was it a flying squirrel?
Nope, a cape.
Mario flying cape
Darn kids these days don't know about retro Mario.
I bet you don't even know about Ligma.
What about Bofa?
the real retro mario didnt have a cape OR racoon
You're a Mario
OG mario had mushrroms, fire flowers and stars
your thumbs are unnaturally long
Weird thumbs
My waist size. Chunky boi. But I'm loosing weight. Was 190 lbs now 172.
Those are murican numbers.
Im way too thin boi lol
weird i didnt know pounds meant something different in canada
Wait. Canada uses Lbs?
I eat way more than anyone in my family and Im still hella thin
There is a way to slow it down.
weed
Just sleep more. Your body's matabsnsb slow when sleep
i mean weeds as in unwanted plants clearly
rather stay thin
Sorry. Couldn't bother spelling it.
I also have insomania
I sleep at 4:30AM
lmao
and now the puzzle is complete
can i try whisky first?
Alcohol not good. Beer belly/ dad gut.
Eh i dont mind being thin
Too much work?
see youve confused beer and whiskey there lol
yep
Its actually not the alcohol but the snacks that get consumed with the alcohol
Beer belly refers to the stomach inlarging due to the alcohol consumed
or the carbs in beer
I could be talking out my butt because I'm hella sleepy but yeah
beer belly relates to excessive carb intake
Carbs bad. Kito I think it's called. Low or no carbs.
i mean yeah excessive alcohol can play a factor too but not as much as carbs
If I may ask, how old are ya?
34
Yeah, motabolism bad, unless ya take care of self
me?
i avoid carbs when possible. have a slim diet
Wait. 34. You're still young. Can't be my father. You'd be 16 when ya first had me.
that happens lol
Holy crap. I did math!
hurts doesnt it
Sure. Everyone I guess.
Brain with smoke.
Im 18
Brain is on fire.
Wanna go out? I'm 18 too. Turning 18 in 2 months.
Turning 91
19
Frick
uhhh
I'm kidding btw.

tough crowd
loosen up the top hat
I died a little.
Y tho it’s dapper
Quite ravishing
id be lying if i said i didnt have a top hat
gotta take the glass off for better pictures or low light
$500
hard pass
Yeah nah I’ll just go full air cooling thanks 
my msi case was like $80 thanks
Just grab something with good airflow and decent quality
the montech i got was on sale for $50
Mine is okay in quality and good airflow.
waterloop!
Yes
it was quite obvious while building in it that it was $50 also lol
Love my fractal meshify c
lmao no sellng here
I don't even own it. It's at micro center. XD
LOL
i got the MSI case with the vented front panel. was super easy to build in for my first pc and plenty of airflow
good night son
Hope to see ya later.
😄
Have a wonderful day/night/evening everyone.
Gn
anyone know how to fix my ping ill be playing and my ping randomly jumps to 1000 for like 10 mins sometimes games are unplayable
Update lan/wifi drivers and make sure it's not your isp being wack
Check if ping jumps on a different device too
Try update your drivers for your wifi/ethernet then
i have the newest
Have you tried gaming
or netflix and youtube works fine
also is it just one game that shows that or all games
That means spped is fine. nothing about ping
can you test on xbox and PC at the same time
I mean what you get from the isp isnt completely the same
will just a speed test do
if you tried it on xbox a few weeks ago and it was fine doesnt mean it will be fine today
Ping is what we want
anything i can do
whats that
lol
semes extremely complicated
Tbf speedtest.net gives ping
the speed test was the same for my phone and pc
to a specific server that isnt connected to the game server
Yeah true but then you can kinda see if it's the server or not
Its very inaccurate as well
According to speedtests I get 10ms ping
Hop into any game and suddenly its 200ms
I hope the games you play have good netcode 
Apex and Minecraft
Haven't played apex but I'd assume it's got better netcode than something like CS but possibly not as good as overwatch
Anyone have any input on ID-COOLING ICEFLOW 240 VGA Graphic Card Cooler 240mm Water Cooler?
for what GPU
2080ti
anyone know a good budget setup for like 500$?
my friend needs a list for parts
he plays games like fortnite and roblox and thats literally it
exact model please
11600k
thats the specs
11600k
lmao
Actually
11400
11600k wont fit in budget
boards expensive
11400 on a b560 and 3600mhz ram
micro atx maybe?
ATX should do fine
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6 Graphics Card GeForce RTX 2080 Ti AERO 11G
I'll get you a list mils
NO ME
No me whhahaa
threadripper 3990x
10400f has no Integrated gpu
seems pretty budget
What you smoking bruh XD
true
what about i5 11400
pretty cheap
and has gpu
nope
and his pog current one that literally is 650$ and runs fine for what he does
is "not enough"
ok?
bruh he gets 70 fps on highest graphics
and says he needs a 3090
like
bruhhhhhhhh

like why
@cursive walrus https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rHBcDc
Case n psu lol
does the ssd have cache
use what he got already
not necessary
SN550 is a great dramless drive
yeah ig
Ahh thought was new build completely
Yeah if they already have case n psu then go with the other list
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7Z9Nbh
would just spend a bit more for a nicer looking mobo + ram
also usb c is real nice
Ehh but they were on a 500$ budget so
Also if you were gonna spend more I'd upgrade to 3600 ram
not worth
3200C16 vs 3600C16 will perform similar in XMP
No lol
benches?
Not with igpu
hard to say cause already going above budget
it's hard to justify adding $10 here and there when it's $40 over to begin with
i5-11500 and 3600C16 would be great upgrades but
moneyyy
But the extra money should go to more perf like a cpu cooler or ram upgrade rather than atx board
cpu cooler not needed </3
but: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rddDRT
getting a bit closer to 500 USD
It kinda is for best performance otherwise it'll not boost properly also that board is 💩
i think it's still less performance than the other board though
anyways with $500 budget just have to accept that corners have to be cut
stock cooler will handle 4.2 on 11400 fairly well? no thermal issues there
yea board is around 20 usd cheaper than Pro, i think it was 3999 only able to hit?
id invest in the slightly better board and i5-11500
keep the slower ram for now to stay closer to budget
ballistix isn't that much better than 3200c16 if you don't manual oc it
even for igpu
like it's noticeably better but
uhd 730 to uhd 750 is a bigger jump than 3200c16 to 3600c16
but if it was me id just eat ramen for a day and save $10 for the better ram
hell you could skip the case and buy it later
run pc test bench style
i ran a pc built into a chair for like 2 weeks
So basically this is what you would do if 500$ had to be budget allowing like 5% over budget
Indood
keep some tweezers nearby as power button

im really not joking btw... case is perfectly fine to delay to stay within budget

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/77sXwz so now it's still a bit over, $537, but no compromises on performance
upgraded igpu, nicer board, and nicer ram
ive found no case to be only a very minor inconvenience
just when you're turning it on
once it's running it's easy to forget about it
i ran the setup in that picture for like 2 weeks
didn't hold back performance either
hehehe
The msi board is just as good no?
ah i remember when u were sips bleach seductively
It's pretty easy get a jumper or a screwdriver and tada
no need to change perfection

@turbid viperthis is my current personal build if that's any better for you
i'm rebuilding it soon though

got a lot of new components
amber + venti
what gee peee you is that
3080 vision
Ohhh whatcha getting
cooling: 9000
Beautiful cards 
i want to get rid of it
my 3080 is a disgrace
bottom 1% silicon lottery
where is my 3080 white strix
For mining with g6x lol
idk if i want these cables yet but everything else is already bought
did u get it for msrp tho
might need a new monitor idk if it fits
slightly below msrp
and it has paid for itself by now
woah. 650 or sumthing?
770
5800X @ 313
msrp is 800 for the model
from where 😩
oh the msrp is 800 bc White
most of these deals were from r/hardwareswap
ooo
Nice, what cpu you got atm? Also why mp600 may i ask?
cause it was $125
basically gen 3 price
used but only 7tb written
worth
i have a bottom of the barrel silicon lottery loser 5600x
Ohh yeah
hopefully 5800x won't be a potato
Hopefully

Fair but pilot e?
I think I need to change my power supply.
pilot-e and mp600 are in a different class
It keeps on shutting off instantly and it's either the RAM or the power supply.
mp600 is a gen 4 drive with a $190 msrp
why do you suspect ram?
-E
I looked it up and it said it's either those two.
what is "it"
I have all the updates but nope. Dies.
ram is one of the least likely things to fail in your system if you're not manually overclocking it
Computer hope
never heard of it
but ram is very resilient
i tore apart a 10 year old non-working laptop that hadn't been powered on in at least 7 years
took out the 8gb ddr3
sold it without testing
buyer said thanks it works perfectly
No. Like, it said I may have not clicked it all the way in. But it read the ram as it is.
Idk what's up.
if your ram isnt all the way in system won't boot
The Power supply software doesn't even work.
Oh btw sips it was some issue with P95 I deleted and downloaded again and it works no errors
Like 4.3 at 1.24V
1.23V is gaming stable
Didnt try Y cruncher
dont need it to be absolutely stable
I5 11400
Crucial 3600 16gb
870 qvo Samsung 1tb
EVGA 650 G5 supernova
Tuf gaming B560m plus wifi.
Yeah just value. Isn't p31 same price as you paid tho?
no gpu? power supply is definitely good enough
No gpu
So then why does it shut off for no reason?
Can't even play Minecraft at 150 fps. Smh my head.
Briefly forgot you guys don't include tax nvm
P31
MP600
MP600 also has 1800 TBW vs 750 on P31
not that either of those numbers actually matters
but anyways i really don't think a drive as good as MP600 for $125 should be a controversial purchase
could be a lot of reasons
have you tried downloading WhoCrashed



