It's for all boards before you ask
#building-and-recc-chat
fossil cedar
Nah it's easy you just put the bios file on a usb and hit the flashback button on the mobo
last fractal
k but i also need a little bit more storage
stoic island
I'd step down to a 5800x and grab a x300 4tb then
5800x having a nice sale at MC if you're near one
last fractal
i dont need 4 more tb i only need like 1tb
last fractal
ok
fossil cedar
Wd blue 60ish$ is good iirc
last fractal
is the artic liquad cooler easy to install
fossil cedar
Bout as easy as any other aio
last fractal
oh ok
stoic island
Case comes with 3 front fans, aio comes with 3 fans, don't need more fans lol
last fractal
i might need help building it i have been watching pc builds latley
snow wasp
5800x having a nice sale at MC if you're near one
What’s the price?
stoic island
What’s the price?
360 or 380 iirc
last fractal
Way to overpriced
like i said\\
fossil cedar
That's a nice price(what the msrp should've been)
fossil cedar
like i said\\\
That pc you can get for 300 less and a i7 or something
snow wasp
360 or 380 iirc
How much do u think I can sell my 5600x for and get a 5800x or is it even worth it😂 I got my 5600x for 270 like a month or 2 ago
snow wasp
Honestly 5600x is more than enough for what I do now...
stoic island
And not worth upgrading atm
stoic island
Ig it's technically 380$ at mc with compatible mobo
fossil cedar
Ntb
snow wasp
Yea micro center mobos cost more than Amazon I believe
I was comparing between Amazon, Newegg, and MC when I was building
fossil cedar
Just use pcpartpicker and mc?
fossil cedar
That's fair lol
spiral flame
what is a good mobo to go with 7 5800x? micro atx
bitter plank
Who can go in a call with me rn to help me put my ssd in my pc
fossil cedar
what is a good mobo to go with 7 5800x? micro atx
Id go b550m tuf or aurous
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HYXZTJ how is this?
Budget?
You didn't include a cpu cooler btw
spiral flame
yeah Idk about coolers at all
fossil cedar
Whats budget
spiral flame
It is about my budget what it currently is I would say around 1600-1700
fossil cedar
Okay
fossil cedar
It is about my budget what it currently is I would say around 1600-1700
Do you need wifi?
spiral flame
yes
fossil cedar
Okay
fossil cedar
It's okay I'll just get you a wifi motherboard
spiral flame
and might at school
fossil cedar
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PYQg7X @spiral flame
fossil cedar
I wonder what you change
Hmmm
Obvs i would have went atx but they had an matx to start so
stoic island
spiral flame
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PYQg7X <@670448290927607819>
is that psu powerful enough?
fossil cedar
Ye
fossil cedar
Yeye
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Dk73Z
They originally had matx hence the case and why the msi 750w i thought it had 12v regulation issues
spiral flame
can I just change the case?
stoic island
They originally had matx hence the case and why the msi 750w i thought it had 12...
It wasn't an issue at all, just higher than other CWT GPU models
Think of it as good instead of exceptional, yaknow
fossil cedar
It wasn't an issue at all, just higher than other CWT GPU models
Ohh i see, btw at that stage might as well get the revo 850w it's like 114 atm
fossil cedar
lian li lancool 205m?
I'm pretty sure that thing is an oven
stoic island
Ye, just lazy atm, and a-gf was around a hundred flat yesterday
fossil cedar
Ahh
spiral flame
Fractal Design Define Mini C TG?
fossil cedar
@stoic island am i right that the 205m is basically an oven right? Not super familiar with matx
stoic island
Something like that
fossil cedar
Yeah that's what i figured
stoic island
@spiral flame what about Meshify C mini tg
fossil cedar
Wait @spiral flame do you want matx or do you mind?
spiral flame
yeah I want a smaller form factor because I will be moving it fairly often
fossil cedar
Fair enough
fossil cedar
Fair enough
I would go versa h18 then
spiral flame
Grab a tu150 kinda thing
would itx work if in the future I want to build a custom loop?
spiral flame
yeah that is why I have pretty much settled on micro ATX
stoic island
@spiral flame hey, what about something like a coolermaster H500 (no suffix) that has a handle if the only reason for mATX was moving around?
stoic island
Not nzxt
Never nzxt
Coolermaster @spiral flame
The nzxt h500 kinda sucks, and doesn't have a handle lol
spiral flame
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cFmBnL ok this this one how is this?
fossil cedar
Yeah that's atx tho
stoic island
But their reason for mATX was moving around
And a handle on an ATX case makes it ok to carry around
spiral flame
yeah it should be good
on a different server they said the mobo is real bad https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cFmBnL
fossil cedar
on a different server they said the mobo is real bad https://pcpartpicker.com/li...
its not lol
fossil cedar
they dont know the board they just guessing by the looks id say
also fyi the 5800x is 450 so idk where youre getting for 400
spiral flame
my micro center has had it there for like a month
spiral flame
yup
fossil cedar
nice
spiral flame
it is a bit much for me but they also have a 6700 xt for 900
fossil cedar
That's too much for a 6700xt
fossil cedar
It's because it's a slightly worse 3070 with no encoder not as good rt and not as good at mining
fossil cedar
ye
hallow glen
It's because it's a slightly worse 3070 with no encoder not as good rt and not a...
its a slightly worse 3060 ti isnt it?
fossil cedar
its a slightly worse 3060 ti isnt it?
Nah slightly worse 3070
hallow glen
oh, i didnt know it was better than 3060 ti
fossil cedar
Bout half way between the 2 depending on game
hallow glen
oh ok.
little osprey
hallow glen
https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Legacy-Mini-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07YFNNXT7/ref=sr...
pretty good i think.
@fossil cedar is there anything wrong with this
fossil cedar
Skytech from what I've heard usually run about as hot as an oven
Also that price for zen+ cpu and 1660 ti 
eager leaf
Yike
fossil cedar
https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Legacy-Mini-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07YFNNXT7/ref=sr...
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala247/p/N82E16883360151 this is your best option for 1.1k unfortunately
little osprey
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ala247/p/N82E16883360151 this is your best option for...
the link is not working
fossil cedar
the link is not working
Works fine for me
little osprey
Skytech from what I've heard usually run about as hot as an oven
is it not worth it and yes the link did work
fossil cedar
is it not worth it and yes the link did work
Ehh it's not really that good, what's your budget
It's just a bit overpriced
little osprey
Ehh it's not really that good, what's your budget
budget under 1000
fossil cedar
Then why where you looking at a 1,100$ build?
cerulean trellis
@earnest olive yes it wouldn’t display and then it I guess decided to display I’m using my laptop because for some reason my computer broke.
My pc broke because something happened to my gpu while I was playing a game.
full inlet
cerulean trellis
@earnest olive what is sus
cerulean trellis
@earnest olive Spill?
Like a drink
No when I was playing a game my screen just turned black and it didn’t turn back.
Wait……
cerulean trellis
Sure
ancient wraith
will it mess anything up
patent gyro
if you have 2 sets of 3200 ram should you set it to 6400 ?
cerulean trellis
?
desert gulch
if you have 2 sets of 3200 ram should you set it to 6400 ?
Bruhhh no
How's that logic even make sense
cerulean trellis
Ikr
desert gulch
You just have double the capacity lol
cerulean trellis
Lmao
patent gyro
idk double the speed ?
desert gulch
Why would double the capacity mean double the speed
cerulean trellis
Lmao
patent gyro
cause it's 4 sticks
desert gulch
Which means double the capacity
worldly sierra
I mean, some spec software divides the ram speed between each stick (so 2*8 3200mhz reads as 1600mhz). Fair assumption from someone with little knowledge about parts.
muted patio
I mean, some spec software divides the ram speed between each stick (so 2*8 3200...
That's not how it works either
DDR stands for Double Data Rate
Which means that the real speed is 1600 mhz
But effective speed is 3200 mhz
It's just a word salad is all it is
worldly sierra
Ik ik, I’m just saying how it reads so why one might assume that 4*8 3200mhz = 6400mhz lol
Ram is confusing
muted patio
So one stick of 3200 is 1600 mhz then? Mmmmmmm
worldly sierra
stoic island
But effective speed is 3200 mhz
there's some fun things that we'll have to sort out in terms of what's correct
https://youtu.be/5fZO77I-6Cg
stoic island
not sure if you've seen it before, but it's quite a good video I'd say
muted patio
So we stick with what's most regularly used
stoic island
that time stamp is fun (That like 2 minutes gives the reasoning against sticking with the current 3600mhz thing)
muted patio
The thing is, you can disagree with it all you want. Until it starts being advertised in MT/s instead of MHz, all we gonna do is confuse most people.
stoic island
(the 20 seconds after that section in the video)
anyways, point is, good video, I agree with it, you may not, but it does give the proper terminology and the reasoning behind using the proper terminology.
muted patio
You should know how little time we have to educate every single person that comes in here that everything they know about ram (terminology wise) is wrong.
It's not that I don't agree with the video, it's about trying to educate everyone that comes in here about how ram is labeled incorrectly.
stoic island
You should know how little time we have to educate every single person that come...
Except, I would say we can save a good amount of time if we just start using mt/s as the terminology at the list building stage, to safe time later about confusion about mhz after building, and questioning xmp
And well, people will understand that 3600mt/s coincides with that '3600mhz' kit they've been eyeing, for those that don't understand the difference
But well, it's an interesting topic either way, and until the entire community gets together to resolve the miscommunication, we kind of have to go with using both units for now.
muted patio
You and I both know that the vast majority of people who come here don't care about what the proper word is, they just want their PC to be faster than the last one they built so they can out FPS their buddy's system. XD
stoic island
You and I both know that the vast majority of people who come here don't care ab...
oh of course, I'm talking about innocently introducing the terminology to them so it's easier to clean up later, if possible. Although that doesn't help with the usual "WHY IS MY RAM RUNNING AT HALF SPEED ACCORDING TO CPUZ"
viral ore
or just dont use units
we usually dont, we just say "3200" or "3600", makes it easy
then if they question it we answer
stoic island
oh of course, I'm talking about *innocently* introducing the terminology to them...
eh, it's this scenario I'm currently catering to, but maybe
viral ore
theres only so much you can educate people on when helping em
that thing is something best left unsaid, unless they ask
unless you're ok with spending 10 minutes explaining it, then its fine
stoic island
ye, my belief is that we can save that 10 minutes but still get the proper reasoning across via using the correct units
but who knows
desert gulch
unless you're ok with spending 10 minutes explaining it, then its fine
Plz explain what coom means
stoic island
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gVts4d
uh, the only 3080 that's 700$ is FE
and FE is hard as heck to get
3080 tuf is prob going to retail for 1200
and that's retail, not like ebay or anything
stoic island
according to a stock checker I use, 1050$ recently, still way above 700$
ruby sentinel
So. . . 3600 MHz is good or what?
muted patio
Yeah, go back to 3600 C16 ram and save the extra skrilla for a 3080 cuz you'll need it
ruby sentinel
What does MT/s mean?
desert gulch
yea
ruby sentinel
But both are 3600. . . Pc building is confusing. It's like rocket science, but smaller.
desert gulch
its a little complicated to explain
well the difference is latency
2 milliseconds of latency is the different
last fractal
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jVq9mk is this fine
desert gulch
along with the different die most likely
stoic island
yes
ruby sentinel
Does 2 milliseconds really make a big difference?
desert gulch
Does 2 milliseconds really make a big difference?
not rly, especially not for the price
muted patio
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jVq9mk is this fine
it's fine except you're over $2500 because the AIO price isn't showing
stoic island
well, the closest actual estimate is like 2 nanoseconds, and technically not that, it's 2 cycles
ruby sentinel
Thank you oh wise one.
stoic island
that's where you get down into the nitty gritty stuff
last fractal
it's fine except you're over $2500 because the AIO price isn't showing
its 122
ruby sentinel
I'm seriously thankful. This thing is so difficult to get into.
desert gulch
its out there for those who have the money to splurge on that stuff
yeah pc stuff is difficult at first, i was there about a year ago lol
stoic island
basically, 3600c16 good
desert gulch
yea
stoic island
for being lazy, refer to this chart, not great, but you know what, it allows you to be lazy and get a rough idea
ruby sentinel
I always wanted to get into PC building but never had the money, and now that I did I had to get some paperwork done which cost a crap ton. XD
stoic island
transfer speed on the top, cas latency on the side
desert gulch
xD
ruby sentinel
What does the numbers mean on the left?
desert gulch
for being lazy, refer to this chart, not great, but you know what, it allows you...
doies 5600 c7 even exist yet on ddr4?
stoic island
cas latency
stoic island
doies 5600 c7 even exist yet on ddr4?
prob never will
desert gulch
nah youre all good
stoic island
their latency usually higher
desert gulch
never be afraid to ask questions here lol
stoic island
questions good
it's just sometimes hard to think who knows the answer to your question
desert gulch
yea
ruby sentinel
Some times I'm bad at asking questions or just slow. XD
stoic island
@celest horizon can you confirm that AMD uses a 'dumb' silicon interposer for infinity fabric?
celest horizon
I don't know what you're asking
desert gulch
<@!546791995830566912> can you confirm that AMD uses a 'dumb' silicon interposer...
yes i can confirm
celest horizon
process? Like what process node?
stoic island
do you know EMIB?
celest horizon
Are you asking what process node the i/o die uses?
stoic island
tryna think of how to word question
basically, SDF plane, where is it, on-die? silicon interposer under die?
ruby sentinel
Wanna see my current setup? OwO
stoic island
hm
celest horizon
Or someone in the lab server
celest horizon
Or ask brutus, he'd probably know
vague oracle
Reading this convo is making me realize I still have a really long way to go to even be somewhat knowledgeable in electrical engineering lmao
Like this is the first time I’m ever hearing of EMIB
But then again I’m only 17 so it’s to be expected
stoic island
don't worry about it
I'm doing dumb research
for dumb reasons
I don't know why I'm doing it, I just want to
vague oracle
Screw it I’m joining you in this research
I’m interested and bored at the same time
stoic island
@vague oracle here's where to start, the video is nice
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/emib.html
anyways
now to figure out who to ask
screw it, I'll just DM one of them
celest horizon
This kind of stuff is a narrow specialization of electrical engineering, probably won't even see much curriculum close to that in undergrad
Could take classes on it if you choose
stoic island
I'm definitely going into EE, but yea
now that I think about it, it's a very simple question I can probably google
does zen use silicon interposer xD
vague oracle
That’s the first thing that came up when I searched up EMIB
I’m looking through it now
stoic island
god damn it google only made it more confusing
"Intel’s recent FOVEROS technology and AMD’s Zen 2 microarchitecture indicate that the 2.5D IC technology is no longer an alternative to the traditional 2D ICs, but a new trend in SoC design."
I guess it's not dumb silicon interposer
guess I need to look at 3d fabric again
ruby sentinel
What is a good cheap PC with NO RGB for the 11400?
ruby sentinel
And do you guys believe that RGB is for kids?
vague oracle
What’s cheap to me may not be cheap to you
stoic island
entire pc or are you looking for a cooler or....?
vague oracle
Imo RGB can look good if it’s done right, if it’s random colors everywhere it’s for a kid and looks tacky
ruby sentinel
Entire
Cuz I made one with the microcenter builder for 561 which is pretty cheap.
No gpu btw
ruby sentinel
I did. Got better price on Microcenter.
ruby sentinel
In the future I'll probably get a 3060. If they are ever in stock.
vague oracle
I’d only get a 3060 if you can get it for close to MSRP, if you get it for 500 you’re paying for something barely better than a 2060 super
Go for a 3060ti or higher
muted patio
Yeah, go for a 3060TI instead
30% more performance for not a lot more money from a retailer
ruby sentinel
That's what I meant
meager badge
In the future I'll probably get a 3060. If they are ever in stock.
2026 is a safe date.
Spring, to be more specific.
meager badge
3060ti that was just mentioned?
verbal quarry
3060ti that was just mentioned?
are you talking to me?
meager badge
Yes
verbal quarry
oh well i was wondering because i might just go red instead of green
and idk the compared card to the 3070
verbal quarry
ok
meager badge
But, you'd better ask someone more knowledgeable 😄 It's been years since my last non nvidia gpu
verbal quarry
ok. also which one is better price to performance
imma be playing alot of triple A titles
desert gulch
ok. also which one is better price to performance
radeon has better price to pure performance
but it lacks in features serverly
so it really depends on what you're going for
meager badge
I am not sure about the 6700, it says it's worse than 3070, by far, yet the price tag is not different.
So it doesn't seem a good investment
desert gulch
what says its worse?
desert gulch
well the tests ive seen shows 6700xt winning over average
little osprey
uh what's a good computer between the budget of 500-1500?
desert gulch
uh what's a good computer between the budget of 500-1500?
for what
little osprey
tf2
desert gulch
id just get a 11400f and 3060ti build for like 1100ish
desert gulch
That's your issue
User benchmark sucks ass
Worst website ever
Highly biased and untrustworthy
little osprey
uh
desert gulch
Ask anybody here and they'll agree
meager badge
That's your issue
You are most probably right 😄
desert gulch
yo can I get a link for a good pc that have those
Are you able to build your own or are you looking for a prebuilt?
little osprey
I'm monkey when it comes to building pc
desert gulch
So prebuilt?
little osprey
yeah
desert gulch
Ight
Lemme find one real quick
Hmm I can't find like any 3060ti prebuilts under 1.5k lol
little osprey
mm
desert gulch
I'll keep looking for a bit
meager badge
Yup, other websites that aren't user based give the 6700 as winners
desert gulch
Yea
little osprey
I'll keep looking for a bit
if u can't find one give me the link to the closest to 1500
desert gulch
I mean they're both great cards
And trade blows
3070 still beats the 6700 in some games
But overall I'm guessing 6700 will win
But then you gotta consider the value in the extra features on the 3070
desert gulch
if u can't find one give me the link to the closest to 1500
Hmm Id try looking again in like a week and see if they come back in stock
indigo prism
hey all i am having trouble, my 4+4 wont fit into my motherboard ? it'll fit on the 8 pin side but the 8 pin is supposed to go into the power supply itself (so says the motherboard book and power book)
frank stirrup
hey all i am having trouble, my 4+4 wont fit into my motherboard ? it'll fit on ...
???
pics
indigo prism
will those odd shaped pins go right into the square female side? cause im just saying this based on the shape of the pins
fossil cedar
Those look like the cpu pins so should be up the top left of the board
indigo prism
Yeah they totally fit, it just didn't look like it would
fossil cedar
Things are usually labled on the board and psu as well btw keep an eye out for markings
indigo prism
Thank you😅
fossil cedar
Np :)
indigo prism
Also I just put the finishing touches on my first pc build but I don't get the windows flash drive till tomorrow, can I still turn it on and see if it works? Or would that be bad
fossil cedar
You can go into bios yeah
indigo prism
I've got this cable, if I understand correctly it is for if I wanna use a controller for rgb which I don't. Do I need to cover this somehow or can I leave it loose in the case?
indigo prism
Cool thank you lol
fossil cedar
Np
fossil cedar
but also shove it somewhere
No alll the cable mess
rancid lodge
I mean things look nicer when managed so
Might as well shove it somewhere neatly to keep things clean
uneven oar
So I have an interesting question. I have a piece of acrylic argb glass that I want to put on the video card. This is the FE card, so nothing is exposed but I was thinking of some kind of bumpers to set it on top of the card (vibration absorption, stability, etc). Does anyone have any ideas or recommendations? I was thinking like clear silicon bumpers that can be used with ovens or something to tolerate the heat.
desert gulch
So I have an interesting question. I have a piece of acrylic argb glass that I ...
With the fe there really isn't much good places to put acrylic, as you mostly either block heatsync or fans..
fossil cedar
Depends on which fe card as iirc the design from 3060 ti and 3080 are different like
uneven oar
With the fe there really isn't much good places to put acrylic, as you mostly ei...
and @fossil cedar , it's a custom cut glass from V1Tech for backplate lighting. It came with magnets and adhesive but really that's only for cards with more of an exposed back (magnets on the screws, etc). So it's not blocking the fan at all. The fan design is one on the bottom and one on the top (3080, 3090 etc)
fossil cedar
That sounds like it would just block the top fan tbh
But mb I'm not imaging right idk
uneven oar
This might help:
fossil cedar
Now I'm more confused lol
uneven oar
lemme see, the backplate should be flipped, but basically it's cut to match the dimension of the card and its set to allow the fan to blow through. ..
obsidian wigeon
yeh
uneven oar
like that.
obsidian wigeon
that's how its cooler is designed
uneven oar
the card has a small raised ridge (silver trim), it can set on top of there...I'm thinking of putting heat resistant silicon bumpers under the coverplate...so it sits on top of the card, without melting, and still allow heat to pass through.
card will never hit above 90C, even tho some rated silicon for ovens can go to 500F
uneven oar
keeping that case cool should help. Didn't know if anyone has any good recommendations for heat resistant bumpers tho...or I would be the first
earnest olive
it will interfere with the cooling
the whole point of the Fe cooler design is that that area is meant to be a heatsink for the bottom fan to pass through
you're going to block off all that
but if looks > performance to you
I used a polypropylene lid to put a figurine on top of my gpu
@uneven oar
this is how nvidia designed the cooler to work
uneven oar
thanks, i might have to rethink what I want to do then.
earnest olive
mine only has a small passthrough area so i was able to do this
if you made the backplate standoffs tall enough it probably wouldn't impede cooling too much, but at that point it doesn't look good anymore
fossil cedar
Yeah that's what i figured lol cuz fe cards backplate is basically a fin stack
earnest olive
yeah they had to do something different to be able to cool 320w in a small form factor
no room for good ol triple axial
uneven oar
I mean the fins are not covered at all. running idle it's at 41C
still...it's a think
uneven oar
yeah just sittin on there
earnest olive
i'm not familiar with FE temps
oh directly on top?
nvm don't put load then
backplates can get pretty hot
uneven oar
ill run a test with it off when i get a chance, see if the idle temps get lower
urban trellis
And its running 4k and 1440p
earnest olive
my 3080 idles at like 28C when my room is 25C
@urban trellisgo to nvidia control panel
manage 3d settings
set "DSR - Factors" to Off
urban trellis
And in fortnite it lets me set it to 4k and 1440p at 60 hz but when i go to 1080 p my screen is black
uneven oar
fans dont run on mine
urban trellis
set "DSR - Factors" to Off
oh ok
urban trellis
set "DSR - Factors" to Off
it is off?
earnest olive
the backplate wouldn't block any airflow if the fans are off
uhh
are you sure you have a 1080p monitor
lol
urban trellis
are you sure you have a 1080p monitor
yea the box legit says
and on my desktop it works 1080p 144 hz but in fortntie my screen goes black
and its looking for a different input
like it switches to dp and other hdmi when i launch fortnite
and when i click my windows button my screen comes bk
earnest olive
install DDU and newest nvidia drivers
disconnect from internet
run DDU and remove nvidia driver
restart
urban trellis
Oh yea ive use ddu before
earnest olive
and then install newest nvidia drivers
urban trellis
k yea ill try that
earnest olive
then reconnect to internet
urban trellis
I overclocked my monitor is that an issue
uneven oar
ah it's zero rpm
Right, it only turns on when a game turns on by default
urban trellis
i set it back to 144 after it wasnt working
earnest olive
my gpu has zero rpm as well
but it's annoying
i'm running dual monitor with one at 1440p165 so it idles hot
uneven oar
yeah it can be initally..good headphones drown out the slight noise
earnest olive
hovers between 59-60C
and 60C is when the fans turn on regardless of load
so it just keeps turning the fans on and off
which is bad for the longevity of the motors and also really freaking annoying to hear
so i just override it with 50% fan speed minimum, which is quieter than hearing them turn on
uneven oar
oh yuck that's not good. Maybe put cold drinks in front of the case to suck in the colder air lol
earnest olive
it just idles hot when there's a 1440p165 monitor that it needs to power
either way 50% fan speed is quiet enough that it won't bother me
have to strain to hear it at all
urban trellis
ok so I unisntalled driver and im downloading new driver
earnest olive
you're supposed to download new driver before you uninstall the old one
and do it all while not connected to internet
urban trellis
and do it all while not connected to internet
y tho
earnest olive
when connected to internet windows update will auto search for and install a much older driver ver 432
earnest olive
not the same thing
urban trellis
no like acc disabled
urban trellis
automatic driver install is not the same thing as OS updates...
I have that disabled as well
earnest olive
why...?
so when you plug in a new keyboard it doesn't work until you manually install a new driver?
urban trellis
so when you plug in a new keyboard it doesn't work until you manually install a ...
wdym
spiral flame
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cFmBnL how is this list but a 3070 ti?
urban trellis
you don't have it disabled then
I do lmao i dont have geforce experience for screenshot
lemme snd picture
earnest olive
you literally don't even know what i'm talking about
urban trellis
doesnt work
earnest olive
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cFmBnL how is this list but a 3070 ti?
seems fine
urban trellis
earnest olive
how can you be this dense
urban trellis
spiral flame
seems fine
on the 10th what sites should i have open to try to score one?
earnest olive
i hate it when people ask for help and then continuously try to act smarter than everyone else
spiral flame
on the 10th what sites should i have open to try to score one?
3070 ti
urban trellis
nah im just saying i have updates disabled for windows even for drivers
earnest olive
on the 10th what sites should i have open to try to score one?
not sure can't say i have been paying attention to the launch at all
earnest olive
nah im just saying i have updates disabled for windows even for drivers
you are literally not even talking about the same thing
but you keep insisting on wasting everyone's time by saying it over and over
cringe
spiral flame
every one of them, and shuffle
all I can think of is best buy, and newegg what are more?
urban trellis
ok im done reinstalling driver imma restart now
uneven oar
all I can think of is best buy, and newegg what are more?
andorama, b&h, amazon, gamestop
uneven oar
then the list is andorama, amazon, gamestop
uneven oar
heh. Is that true tho? thought we got past that crap generations ago
uneven oar
wow, smdh. That's disgusting. Lessee linkie readie time
👀
so yeah @spiral flame the list is newegg,best buy, andorama, amazon, gamestop.
indigo prism
I'm trying to get a bootable copy of windows into my flash drive, but it's been stuck on 20% for a long time, am I just being impatient or is this taking longer than it should
spiral flame
so yeah <@!670448290927607819> the list is newegg,best buy, andorama, amazon, ga...
thanks I'll avoid b&h
urban trellis
Ok so i found the porblem was my monitor
its working at 1080 p with display port
but not with hdmi
its so weird anyone please help
fossil cedar
unless you want to support a company with racially segregated bathrooms
That's soo sad wtf 
muted patio
*Had segregated bathrooms
fossil cedar
Still sad tho
spiral flame
I the lawsuit started last week so not that long ago
fossil cedar
Oof
muted patio
It's from 2016.......
fossil cedar
Oh lol
spiral flame
still I won't be shoping there
urban trellis
bro this is so weird
spiral flame
what
urban trellis
my monitor is working with display port in fortnite
but when i use hdmi i see desktop but when i open fort my screen goes black and witches to different inputs
but when i set it to 4k it works even on hdmi like wtf
and I tried it on my other pc with hdmi and it worked in 144 hz 1080 p
like wtf is this
spiral flame
is it under warranty?
urban trellis
i just got it today lmfao
spiral flame
'cause it seems loke you might want it replaced
urban trellis
hold up imma try without a driver
fossil cedar
Try a different cable?
urban trellis
ive tried 2 different hdmis and a display port
it works with display port at 144 hz
but thats from a diff pc
should I buy a hdmi 2.0 and try with that?
and it works 144 hz on my desktop but it doesnt in fortnite
acc it works now
glad sinew
hey everyone i'm having a hard time deciding between two builds and i would love if anyone could give me some insight on whats good and bad if im missing anything or if there is something i can cut cost on
potent portal
Sure, pcpartpicker links are great for this is you have one
glad sinew
i have a google doc link is that ok?
potent portal
Yeah but I'd make sure your real name isn't tied to the account or it'll be visible
muted patio
i have a google doc link is that ok?
glad sinew
@muted patio yes it is mee6 just didnt like the link
muted patio
Right, you need have a couple more levels before you can post links 😉
glad sinew
yeah im still a rook 😅
steel musk
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4M8vy4
is this a pretty good build
muted patio
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4M8vy4
is this a pretty good build
See above
muted patio
yeah im still a rook 😅
List isn't public, requires special access
Can you put it on PCPartpicker instead?
glad sinew
yeah ill do that
steel musk
so the motherboard on the build is good? i've heard a lot of people say it's not really good
muted patio
VRM is fine, VRM temps are fine. Don't see any reason you'll have issues with it
glad sinew
muted patio
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cM39mk
Change the AIO to an EK 360mm or Arctic Freezer II 360mm. Same price much better cooling.
3600 C16 ram should be the same price and slightly faster
Power supply is a bit overkill but leaves room to upgrade.
Otherwise looks good
glad sinew
ok cool thanks for the input 😊
muted patio
YW
ancient wraith
my fans dont turn on unless i put them on full speed mode
fossil cedar
my fans dont turn on unless i put them on full speed mode
Check your fan curve/profile
muted patio
GPU or PC?
ancient wraith
i am not using a custom one
fossil cedar
Ohh yeah if it's just gpu and its idle then that's the way it's supposed to be
fossil cedar
Go into the bios
ancient wraith
i have never changed the curve
fossil cedar
Well your default one might be 💩
muted patio
Are they 3 pin or 4 pin?
fossil cedar
Also all the fans plugged in properly and set to dc/voltage
muted patio
On a 4 pin header?
ancient wraith
they came with my case
tranquil halo
For EVGA, is their 3080ti going to be available for purchase on june 3rd, or is it only opening the notification queue?
muted patio
There are no details yet, probably tomorrow when the ebargo lifts
shrewd fjord
Ok listen I am going to be realistic. I want a good pc and I would love to spend 1.5k on one but if I'm being g honest with myself this will be my first pc and I think $500 USD is good price range for start. Can anyone here maybe take a little extra time to make me a part list? Like actually look at the stuff on the list and see if you would recommend. If not its okay I just want to get something to game on not stream.
stoic island
prob could get a decent igpu build
here's a decent-ish start
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LD9pwz
shrewd fjord
@stoic island tysm like actually this looks good
stoic island
:)
shrewd fjord
Will it be a good pc to run games like MC
stoic island
yea
shrewd fjord
Great man you literally the best you have helped me so much
vivid bone
hello, i am new to the computer world and purchased a Pre build and am not satisfied with the performance it is a B550 Gaming X V2 // ryzen 7 3700x //3070gpu and i am trying to get more FPS while gaming should i upgrade to ryzen 9 5900x. if i were to to do so, would i notice a drastic change in performance? or would i need to change the Motherboard out as well or does that affect performance at all?
shrewd fjord
Like whenever I need a build you always help
stoic island
:)
muted patio
hello, i am new to the computer world and purchased a Pre build and am not satis...
What games and what FPS? Also, got a link to the prebuilt so we can see specs?
stoic island
hello, i am new to the computer world and purchased a Pre build and am not satis...
What performance issues are you running into atm?
yeye, main worry about prebuilt specs is if it's only single stick of ram
muted patio
If I had to guess, low/slow ram
My 3700x/3070 combination is 1440p 120+ FPS in a lot of games
"currently getting around 100 fps on warzone which is really the only game i play at the moment https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gaming-RDY-EMRRG206"
exotic marten
Hahah everyone gets bad fps in warzone
muted patio
Pretty much
The ram is a bit slow but not terrible
I don't see anything too out of whack there except the cooler
exotic marten
I just cap my 2080 super to 90 fps at 2k and it runs fine
stoic island
and the case
muted patio
Which is probably limiting CPU performance
stoic island
and the GPU design
green laurel
jordan and i are friends and i am currently getting 130+ frames on I7 9900k on 2070 No OC
muted patio
120mm AIO and 3200 mhz ram are most likely the culprits
exotic marten
Turn the resolution scale down
stoic island
(That 3070 heatsink looks really thin)
muted patio
It's probably a gigabyte or MSI model
exotic marten
Wouldn't say ram is the issue. Would be bsod more
stoic island
???
exotic marten
Check in bios and see if it's running at 3200
shrewd fjord
@stoic island I did this one also is it better or worse than the one you showed me
exotic marten
You aren't going to notice a difference in a couple hundred mhz
muted patio
Ram speed makes a difference on Ryzen, 3200-3600 is 5-10% or more FPS in some cases, game dependent
shrewd fjord
muted patio
intel stomp all over that
shrewd fjord
Kk just wanted to check
stoic island
wonder where you're getting a 1050ti for 100$
shrewd fjord
Ty again @stoic island
stoic island
they're like 300$ on amazon nowadays
shrewd fjord
Daym
stoic island
(even though it's worth like 75$)
muted patio
1050TI 2 GB??
exotic marten
300 for a 1050ti jeebus
shrewd fjord
Xd
muted patio
Ya
stoic island
with the gf116 iirc?
exotic marten
Just find a 980ti 6GB on ebay
muted patio
It totally is yeah
green laurel
how does a 120mm aio have anything to do with speed performance i am just curios i am also new to pc
stoic island
thermals
muted patio
The cooler the PC the higher the boost clocks
The hotter it gets, the more it slows down
green laurel
ahh ok makes since
muted patio
120mm AIO isn't really sufficient and gets beat by good air coolers
stoic island
If it's a crappy aio, the CPU might be hitting thermal limits, and therefore be thermal throttling, therefore lower frequency, therefore lower performance
exotic marten
I mean tdp is at least 100c so he shouldn't even be throttling
muted patio
And Warzone leans on the CPU a lot
stoic island
I mean tdp is at least 100c so he shouldn't even be throttling
wat
'tdp is at least 100c'
muted patio
has NOTHING to do with throttling and everything to do with boosting
exotic marten
Is his temps over 100c?
stoic island
bruh
muted patio
CPU's lower clocks without thermal throttling
Once they hit 75-80C the clocks start going down
exotic marten
Not really unless the power plan is set to balanced or something lower
stoic island
thermal throttling is like dropping below base clocks
vivid bone
how do i check cpu temp?
stoic island
hwinfo64
muted patio
how do i check cpu temp?
HWINFO64
exotic marten
Yes I know what throttling is. These CPUs designed to work fine at 80c. Not recommeding though
muted patio
And at 80c you're losing clock speed
stoic island
ye, boosting behavior takes into account temp
green laurel
is that just a program that can be searched and downlaoded?
muted patio
Yep
desert gulch
Yes I know what throttling is. These CPUs designed to work fine at 80c. Not reco...
They work fine but not as good as they work at 60c, since they lose some clock speed
muted patio
is that just a program that can be searched and downlaoded?
HWINFO64? https://www.hwinfo.com/download/
stoic island
remember, base clock on a 3700x is 3.6ghz, boosting beyond that, like say 4.2ghz normally, is boosting, higher temps means the CPU boosts less, down closer to 3.6ghz, and if you go over 95c, it would thermal throttle and drop even below 3.6ghz.
desert gulch
Exactly
stoic island
Yea, installer, any mirror
green laurel
👍
exotic marten
But what are his temps with the 120 aio
stoic island
I'm still a bit suspicious of the GPU design lol, so thin
stoic island
But what are his temps with the 120 aio
that's what we're checking...
muted patio
I'd expect that particular 120mm AIO to be on par with or worse than the factory Wraith Prism cooler.
exotic marten
I don't really don't see an issue here. 100fps in warzone is plenty
Granted cooling needs to be upgraded
muted patio
Plenty for you, not for them.
shrewd fjord
@stoic island brooooo if you could can you add like headset mouse keyboard chair and desk? Cause rn I dont have any of those I play on 2011 dell laptop with 2 cores and 4GB RAM
stoic island
@shrewd fjord what's the budget for those?
exotic marten
Yeah turn down resolution scale for more fps
shrewd fjord
Mmmm let's say 300 or is that not realistic
stoic island
I can't really speak for chair and desk, since I'd just reccomend you physically go to an ikea or home depot or something and try things out and find what you like and fit in your room
green laurel
@exotic marten understood but...im on an i7 with 2070 and i get 130 plus on 1080 we just figured he should be getting more than me considering the hardware?
stoic island
but 300 for headset mouse keyboard would be reasonable
shrewd fjord
@stoic island k do that then please if you could
exotic marten
You need to start with the game settings first
shrewd fjord
I really appreciate you taking time from your day to do this for me
stoic island
@shrewd fjord do this real quick for mice
https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/products/mice
:)
exotic marten
I realize a 3070 rips but warzone sucks so you need to start there
green laurel
lol k
shrewd fjord
Palm
stoic island
Yea wrong link lmao @shrewd fjord
https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/mouse-search
but that'll tell you nice mice that'll work for your hand
stoic island
kk
shrewd fjord
How about this? @stoic island
I go back to work can you put list together of mouse keyboard and headset oh and monitor
stoic island
g502 works
muted patio
No tests, no results, no opinions XD
stoic island
@shrewd fjord for keeb, I'd grab a Keychron c2 hotswap with gateron browns for ~65$ on amazon to start off, and for headset, I would suggest a drop PC37x for 120$, for monitor, I would try to grab a g242 for ~190$ if possible
wicked frigate
Would you be able to tell
muted patio
No tests, no results, no opinions
muted patio
Can't tell anything until we have benchmarks
wicked frigate
Ok than if I get lucky I’ll get one and than decide if I want or not than return it
Also
Is it going to be on nvidia only
Or will people be able to but it on Newegg etc
wicked frigate
Ok
green laurel
i think he is having issues getting this hwinfo64 program running can one of you all take a direct message and do a screen share i am not familiar with this at all please?
desert gulch
It better be good for some partners to list them for more money than a 3090 by a LOT
green laurel
@stoic island he is having to make an account and all that jazz
stoic island
excuse me what
@green laurel did he accidentally click something else?
hwinfo does NOT need an account
pale dust
stoic island
I don't think hwinfo even has an account system
green laurel
can he screen share with you possibly?
stoic island
@green laurel give him this link
https://www.hwinfo.com/files/hwi_704.exe
green laurel
i dont know what i am looking at so i cant help him
green laurel
ok and top right corner click download..right?
stoic island
if you use that link, it should just automatically start the download
stoic island
vintage I just posted that link xD
muted patio
I saw that LMAO
stoic island
lol
@green laurelgive him this specific link again
https://www.hwinfo.com/files/hwi_704.exe
not the other one
stoic island
might be because browser discord
muted patio
Actually
Even clicking on the link in the drop down on the website just redirects me to the website
No download
wat
muted patio
Yeah, that one just boops me back to the website also. Wonder if Ad blocker is interfering with it?
vivid bone
it keeps popping up another page over and over
stoic island
I thought you used ublock origin too vintage?
muted patio
No, it let some things through my other one doesn't
stoic island
huh
welp, techspot too
https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5245-hwinfo64.html
various mirrors for the same thing
I wonder if my adblocker is actually helping by taking away ads that looks like the right download xD
green laurel
ok thanks for the help we will get results under load and be back for more lol
earnest olive
I use portable over installer
shrewd fjord
<@!659953426230280211> for keeb, I'd grab a Keychron c2 hotswap with gateron bro...
Hmmm can we maybe get a lower cost headset. I want to try and stay close to 300
shrewd fjord
Okay thanks man you the best
marble whale
both with integrated graphics
marble whale
Ok
muted patio
3200 mhz ram
muted patio
3060
muted patio
Anything uswd is ridiculously priced
stoic island
simultaneous multi-threading
marble whale
Ok
lyric thistle
intel calls it hyper threading
marble whale
for that is amd a good brand for smt?
stoic island
what
Intel just calls their multi-threading hyper threading, so technically AMD is the only one that calls it smt.....?
lyric thistle
if you want a cpu with smt
get a cpu wth smt
lol
doesn't matter if it's intel or amd
muted patio
I suggest you dont do that again
stoic island
pg13
lyric thistle
inappropriate jokes require nuance and cloaking 
this is not nuanced, get outta here
marble whale
It was I think wasn't it?
stoic island
bye bye topic
marble whale
Ok
stoic island
wonder if you could use a meizu dong with a kph30i
lyric thistle
the pc I ordered gets here in a little under a week 
stoic island
nice, what is it?
lyric thistle
q87m-e board with an i5-4460, 8gb ram
stoic island
did not know 4460 existed
marble whale
What's a cheap gaming CPU but good proformence?
lyric thistle
simple but it will get me compatibility with parts I have
lyric thistle
lol
stoic island
is it ark being dumb or
lyric thistle
pretty sure it is
aren't the q chipsets made for business applications?
cause they have com ports n tpu stuff
or whatever it's called
marble whale
Is apple going to come out with a gaming mac?
lyric thistle
no probably not
stoic island
meh, I usually just trust ark for dealing with old things
stoic island
cause they have com ports n tpu stuff
trusted platform module thing?
lyric thistle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lyric thistle
look at Asus page for cpu compatibility it should say on there
10100
i3
~100 usd
4c8t
stoic island
ah might need bios update?
marble whale
can you overclock a integrated graphics?
lyric thistle
if it's shipped with the CPU in it the seller's likely already updated the bios lol
lyric thistle
9x series chipsets ship with haswell refresh support which is why I was looking at getting a ga-h97m-d3h
but this seller has nicely priced basic computers with decent 8x series asus boards
most of the listings I find for h97ms are from china lol
stoic island
lel
ripe wedge
I mean you can overclock integrated graphics maybe a little but never really done it
I dont know the difference between the G and the GE
muted patio
It's not out yet, won't be released until August 5th.
muted patio
need to wait for some benchmarks to show up
ripe wedge
isnt the GE out already tho?
muted patio
It's out for OEM's but you can't buy one retail until August 5th. Might be able to get a gray market from China or something before then.
ripe wedge
yeah
marble whale
Ok
ripe wedge
he could be gettting an oem
did you just watch LTTs video on it?
or saw AMD earlier?
muted patio
I'd rather wait for real benchmarks than take what AMD says at face value XD
ripe wedge
^
tiny oriole
^
marble whale
Ryzen 5 Vega 11?
Is that a good CPU\GPU?
muted patio
Earlier you said you wanted a cheap, budget gaming machine, that means Intel
5700G won't be cheap, $300 or something
wet bane
Not sure if this is the right channel to ask this, BUT I just purchased an Eclipse P500A DRGB Case (from Newegg) and I have a MSI B350M Gaming pro motherboard, I was wondering if there was a way to connect the RGB fans that came with the case (3 pin RGB connector) to the motherboard (4 pin RGB connector) to be able to control the RGB colors?