building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

oops

i thought you meant RX 460

[rich helm]

Gtx 460 can’t run much can it

[earnest olive]

you can get 30 fps in minecraft if you don't use shaders/texture packs

[rich helm]

That seems like a really old card

[jade forge]

la noir no problem gta v definetly and maybe minecraft its a start for him i suppose

[earnest olive]

gta v will run fine at 720p

fs 2020 might not even start

but if it does it definitely won't be playable at all

[rich helm]

Might not meet min specs

[muted patio]

isn't that card like 1 GB VRAM?

[earnest olive]

it has 1gb and 2gb variants

[muted patio]

1 GB GDDR5

[jade forge]

969 mb

[muted patio]

The MSI I found is 1 GB

[jade forge]

approx total memory 9114mb

[earnest olive]

even a 1gb gtx 460 will get 60+ fps in gta v at 720p normal

[jade forge]

vram 969mb

shared memory 8144mb

[earnest olive]

minecraft will be playable

just fs2020 will not

what processor is paired with it?

some modern integrated graphics are more powerful than the gtx 460

depending on what processor you have you might actually get more gaming performance by removing the gpu

[jade forge]

well i guess i will have to call him and explain the system will run what he needs minus fs and due to a shortage good luck and then i can also toss in a low end power supply 450 or 500 should do asrock z97 mobo and i7 4790k

[muted patio]

They have a 3700x

no iGPU

[earnest olive]

4790k

yeah keep the gpu in there

[jade forge]

it doesnt even have a normal hdmi port its micro hdmi lol

[earnest olive]

fs2020 is barely playable on an rtx 3090

[jade forge]

so a computer just cant run the game?

[earnest olive]

this is with
i9-10900K 5.2ghz
32gb 3600c16 ram
rtx 3090 @ 2010mhz
recording via second pc for no frame drops

at 1080p

yeah there is currently no hardware in existence that actually runs fs2020 at 60+ fps

[whole grove]

tf u putting that on max settings or is that game just really demanding

holy

[earnest olive]

have to settle for targetting 30 fps in that game

[earnest olive]

that's 1080p ultra

it is cpu bottlenecked though

since the fps is not much lower at 4K

fs2020 is just notoriously poorly optimized that even a 5.2ghz all core 10900K can't run it well

[jade forge]

i know its old and outdated how much should i exactly charge my friend for my 460? i am charing him $200 for the asrock and $100 for the i7 4790k

[potent portal]

It's one of those games that's meant to be super hard to run now to nudge engineers to make faster stuff

[earnest olive]

$200 for a z97 mobo?

you hate him or something?

i paid $150 for a mobo that can run overclocked ryzen 9 5950x and laugh at it

[jade forge]

going price online hes getting the i7 for cheap

[earnest olive]

i just bought an i7-4770K + Z87 ROG MAXIMUS HERO VI + 16GB DDR3-2133 RAM for $110 total including shipping

[jade forge]

well how much should i charge for the 460? and how much would you say that z97 is worth? im just trying to get some money towards system upgrades

[potent portal]

Is that listed prices or completed listings?

[earnest olive]

i'd say $80 for the mobo and $120 for the cpu if you want to go off of market prices

[jade forge]

completed listings start at $100

and tend to end at $200-$230

[earnest olive]

i've gotten z87 boards for so much cheaper lol

i got a xeon e3-1241v3 + asus z87-k + 16gb ddr3-1600 for $47

[jade forge]

and how much do you think the 460 is worth $80?

[earnest olive]

EIGHTY DOLLARS?

for that???

i know we're in a gpu shortage but wow...

you must seriously hate your friend

1gb gtx 460 was a budget offering eleven years ago

[potent portal]

LOL that GPU is listed for $40 or less

[jade forge]

well i have no clue mine was a free birthday gift

[earnest olive]

i'd just give it for free

you already overcharging him for the other stuff

[jade forge]

i havnt charged him yet im going off ebay completed listings

[earnest olive]

fair pricing would be something like

i7-4790K: $120
Z97 mobo: $80
1GB GTX 460: a beer

that's still more than double what i've been getting similar hardware for

[jade forge]

3 completed listings for the 460 one went for $40 one went for $78, and the final one went for $89 thats why i have no idea what its worth those are all different

[earnest olive]

ebay is awful for determining pricing

[jade forge]

pcpartpicker has no price because its all outdated im giving him cheap ram for free only 6gb ddr3 cheap stuff

[earnest olive]

16gb ddr3-1600 is worth like $35

[potent portal]

I don't know why you're insisting on using the highest sale prices, I'm seeing $25 mostly, plus shipping

[earnest olive]

6gb is worth basically 0 because people want at least 4gb sticks

if it's 4+2 then the 4gb stick is at least worth $8

2gb stick is worth nothing

[jade forge]

@potent portal im looking at all completed listings and seeing $40. $78 and $89 but im honestly lost on this part

[potent portal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154394961669?epid=109590085&hash=item23f2a82705%3Ag%3AZ6oAAOSw~zdgYloT&nma=true&si=IbuIgQIQixDELbxI%252BrD1xDd6Gv8%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[earnest olive]

eww that shipping cost

[potent portal]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194060307920?epid=96869744&hash=item2d2ee54dd0%3Ag%3ALvUAAOSwxSRggw0T&nma=true&si=IbuIgQIQixDELbxI%252BrD1xDd6Gv8%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

$25 and FREE SHIPPING on the second one

Those were like, the first 2 to pop up when I searched it

[jade forge]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224392187205?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item343ed10d45%3Ag%3AHVoAAOSw9kRgVJoV&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkgCVySCgrNFPU8Iu85TabMJhUEbTS7OYMUBOem5RYhDni3CjPXzHoQuhUCdtkpLOkJxn6miLe1hd63nWSp%252By8en%252F4v3iP7heqZ%252F09zA3JurFTAMohhRxWZjLTn0cPP8flI0NTMPFA3Rq1CjpVWeKqsUR6rU9dgqQ%252FthApWTa%252FxsZcJjDfJgq5%252F1QI%252FgR9WzFTqVBwmSCNFAuCrB82r1EG1PhZ4mjSFZCBmOE5X7%252BwQyd48TEqKWddYy31P5XaoGV2T5MvBxcpAaDb4IqjNf3ZUwf61w0Afv8WDtdJSURMkfEZqnB8CQ%252B2jKfQ0ZRZBOpAYxMfvrGwou%252B5nEMHMGweX4nlH8jcH4Ttp4EZ%252BXzI5jnDbCQEUc4TBAr8Zal3v0U6A91R3TbqQlkA6SWllUGG6y%252FYO%252FI2UxYVnRojBG0WNwoT2fkbsTfaxlZaJrypel7ZtVxEpzs22cFUvIoBBCUBERVUspFWHBJMXdbzsY8LF2lpfnJdGOVXSAAQ%252B%252BOVacYBWEv7110Hq6Zh6igWpUwIuxDYkw%252BWigeBQvBV7pcyCTOxRooXrV6113RIrDtbyW60u%252BLNBj%252B2cEsfEIYq9ajz6UPdduF7TYWYkcsUzOuSYyLEmLg9SLauu1IZ2AKtZplrjHuqoGNG8Z2yXDJFr%252B2DZVkrocSlOCv0xfIVwIr650ogEIQCUoDfOLTlhml%252FbLqKsy3EtybD4KpKODemyn20S6HdoGfxW%252BklpxaPpZaJQJAgzLBe4j6exQAI25pQYpF8gafxo64gOADhfTyM5t370Q%253D%253D|cksum%3A224392187205329dd297fdc1428f98dfbfbb3cf935ed|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524&LH_BO=1

[earnest olive]

...that's not sold

[potent portal]

That's an active listing, they won't sell at that price

[humble rivet]

that link

[jade forge]

i honestly have no idea what im doing i clicked sold listings sigh

[earnest olive]

it seems like you're just searching for validation because you know deep down that you're ripping off your friend

[humble rivet]

[jade forge]

i havnt verified any prices yet i have no clue

[rich helm]

Kinda sus

[potent portal]

There's 460s listed for $48 starting bid that aren't even selling

[rich helm]

Just do what sips said above

[jade forge]

my orignal build was just a low end pentium g620 that came with a mobo for $100

[rich helm]

.

[jade forge]

case was hand me down RAM WAS LIKE $30 monitors where free along with keyboard and mouse

so yall are saying a low end gaming pc of asrock z97 mobo i7 4790k and a 460 is only worth $200

[earnest olive]

no

those 3 parts are worth 200

still have stuff like case psu ram cooler

[potent portal]

Considering that the cpu is 7 years old, things depreciate

[jade forge]

old case from 90s $15? ram is free because its all i have extra and he refused to buy upgraded ram

[potent portal]

The 4790k is comparable to the 10100

If you overclock it

[jade forge]

psu im hoping i can salvage from his old build that was a windows vista buisness machine but we will see pcpartpicker says 300W needed so 450 to 500 to be safe

im thinking stock cooler until he has more money to upgrade it

he just wants to play gta v laspd mod mostly

[potent portal]

So here's a thought for you, why should your friend pay more for a used processor than a comparable new processor? 10100 is $115 today

[nova quarry]

The 10100 is that cheap??

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qtqBD3/intel-core-i3-10100-36-ghz-quad-core-processor-bx8070110100

[earnest olive]

can be found cheaper sometimes

[nova quarry]

Ohh, an i3

[jade forge]

so then it comes down to the motherboard price comparable to a z97 killer?

[earnest olive]

the i7-4790K does have some extra value though due to being the highest upgrade for LGA1150 and for some reason people really want to max out their mobo instead of buying a new one

120 is fair

[potent portal]

Intel syndrome

[earnest olive]

not excellent but fair

[potent portal]

They change sockets every 2 years and no one wants to pay $200 to upgrade every 2 years

[jade forge]

we are all broke he already agreed we are going to take this old atx beige case from the 90s and we are spray painting it black his choice yes it will be hideous

[nova quarry]

Also, this is rather off topic. Sorry about that. But im seeing that a gtx 970 is still worth around $300? Is it seriously still worth that much?

[earnest olive]

no

used gtx 970 is worth around $200 shipped rn

[odd cosmos]

Wait guys, just to make sure, a atx power supply will work with a matx board?

[potent portal]

Worth that much, no, but finding anything around that price is hard

[earnest olive]

price varies a bit depending on model

[earnest olive]

yes

[nova quarry]

That makes a lot more sense

[odd cosmos]

Kk thanks

Where should I start with my bile?

Build

[nova quarry]

Asus strix 4gb 970

[earnest olive]

start by washing the bile out of your mouth

ahh i bought a 970 strix recently for 180 shipped

[odd cosmos]

Lol

Auto correct

[earnest olive]

if you are looking to sell you can probably get 200 or so for it

may increase the value a bit if you repaste it

[potent portal]

Personally I test everything before I put it in the case. You can safely set the motherboard on the cardboard box it comes in, plug in the CPU, RAM, and cooler, plug in power, and see if it boots to BIOS

[earnest olive]

i bought it for my gf's build, had to repaste when i got it cause it sounded like a vacuum cleaner

now it's very nice and quiet

[odd cosmos]

Alright

[nova quarry]

I'd have to definitely clean it at the very least before I'd even think about selling it. Hasn't been used for a while now

But thanks for the estimate for the pricing!

[odd cosmos]

I’m still really doubtful of my abilities to put the right cables onto the right ports

[earnest olive]

@odd cosmos here's a visualization of what he said lol

that is technically a complete computer

cases are optional

[odd cosmos]

Ah ok wouldn’t that use a lot of time and then u have to unplug then replug?

Lol

[earnest olive]

ehh

[potent portal]

It's hard to put things in the wrong place, it usually only fits one way.

[earnest olive]

depends on experience

i can get to this stage in about 4 minutes now

[odd cosmos]

Alright lemme just start but I’m kinda scared lol

WOAH

[earnest olive]

it's worth the time though

because if you build everything into the case first and something is defective

[odd cosmos]

It will be lucky if I’m done in 4 hours

[earnest olive]

you gotta take everything back apart

[potent portal]

If you have an air cooler, you don't even need to take anything off to put the board in the case

[earnest olive]

and you don't have to fully disassemble everything

you can leave ram, cpu, cooler on there

only need to take out graphics card

ssd depends on if it's 2.5" or m.2

m.2 ssd you can leave in there, 2.5" you need to unplug

[odd cosmos]

Alright any general advice?

[earnest olive]

read the manual

[odd cosmos]

Already on it

Cya u guys imma go and give it my best try

If I’m not back in a day or so i prob died

[earnest olive]

good luck

[odd cosmos]

Thanks lol

[earnest olive]

[potent portal]

You can watch someone on Youtube do a build to get an idea of things, I know jayztwocents does a lot of those

[lament fulcrum]

p500a great case. i love my p400a but p500a has hinge glass side panel

[nova quarry]

Good luck!

[earnest olive]

hinge glass panel is a double edged sword

really annoying during build

nice after build

[potent portal]

Yeah it's a bit of a tradeoff

Fingerprints are a problem on those hinged glass panels too unless it has a release latch you can grab

[lament fulcrum]

Maybe im better off with my new p400a then lol

Thinking about getting sleeved cables bc i cant stop looking at my system now. Waste of money though

[odd cosmos]

My hands are shaking to open the cpu cover 😬

Why is it so tight

[potent portal]

Intel? The cpu slot cover?

[jade forge]

@earnest olive my friends new case as per his request good lord this is horrible

[desert gulch]

Lmao

Nice

[odd cosmos]

yea

i may have pulled off the cover before putting in the cu

cpu

what do i do?

[potent portal]

This?

[odd cosmos]

yea

[potent portal]

Just be careful not to bend the pins on the motherboard

[odd cosmos]

is there a screw i have to unscrew?

to open the covering so i can apply the cpu?

[odd cosmos]

alr alr

[potent portal]

Depends on the motherboard, look at the manual

[odd cosmos]

can i send some pictures?

[desert gulch]

Sure

Post them here ye

[odd cosmos]

alr im waitinf for my phone to charge it died

but in the mean time i found the section of the manual

lemme just c

shoot got some thermal paste on my fingers but it's the stock cooler which im not gonna use

found out how to open the latcch btw

[desert gulch]

Ye latch should be easy

Should just be a lever

Kjnda tucked behind a little latch

[odd cosmos]

do i just drop in the cpu?

yea i opened it and now

i should drop in the cpu?

and not use any foce irght

force

[nova quarry]

Make sure that its lined up correctly!

[desert gulch]

Ye ye

Line it up right

Make sure it's rotated correct

[odd cosmos]

ok

[nova quarry]

Are you using an intel or amd cpu?

[odd cosmos]

intel

how do i know if its lined up correctly?

im scareed

thought i already broke a pin

but didn't fortunately

[nova quarry]

I believe there should be a little notch near one of the top corners

[odd cosmos]

yea i see it

but idk if its lined uo

[halcyon cove]

@jade forge what cpu fan you using on that build pic?

[odd cosmos]

its roated correctly

but

idk if its lined up

[muted patio]

It's the stock AMD Wraith Prism

[halcyon cove]

Nice

[odd cosmos]

helloooo

sorry for bothering u but my hands are shaking

[nova quarry]

As long as its flat and looks like its in all the way. I'd go for it. But if you start to push the bar down and you feel like you start to have to really force it, stop and slightly adjust the cpu

[odd cosmos]

alr

imma give it my best shot

very scared

[nova quarry]

But ngl. I've replaced like 3 cpus now. Its always been the most terrifying part for me

[odd cosmos]

I THINK I DID IT

lemme send picture

[nova quarry]

WOOOO!!!!

[jade forge]

All my builds are using stock cooler amad wraith prism like vintage said for the amd except except 10600 will be using hyper 212 cooler outdated version

[odd cosmos]

Is that in properly?

@nova quarry

[fallow scroll]

Sorry to interrupt but is it possible to upgrade or do anything with a CyberPower pc, being I had zero knowledge about PCs I just thought, “better better better” and listened to whatever the Best Buy guy said..........cringe I now realize but I want to try to do something with it

Also it crashes, /: shocker

[nova quarry]

Its loading still

[odd cosmos]

ok

[nova quarry]

On data 😅

[odd cosmos]

np seems right

[odd cosmos]

oh im so sorry

shold have made it a smaller file

[nova quarry]

Yep. Looks like it's in to me

[odd cosmos]

YESSS

thanksss

[nova quarry]

Nahh, you're good lol

[odd cosmos]

now i close it?

the latch i mean

lol

[nova quarry]

Yep. Thats the part that makes me nervous

So uhh. Good luck 😅

[odd cosmos]

ok

[nova quarry]

But to me, it looks like it should go just fine

[odd cosmos]

it seems like i need to apply so much pressure

and i might have just heard something like a pin crack

[nova quarry]

If you think you did. Carefully take it out, and make sure you didn't

But you do need to apply a little bit of pressure to it

[odd cosmos]

or should i go with it

and see if it works

[nova quarry]

I'd say that as long as you don't need to force it down. you should be good

Little bit of pressure is fine

[odd cosmos]

it feels like i do need to force down the leveer tho

[little osprey]

high pressure is normal for intel cpus

dont worry push it down and lock it

[odd cosmos]

That lever right there

oh is it?

ok should i just press it down

then?

[little osprey]

yeah lever it theres lock over down there

[odd cosmos]

it feels like it's gonna break lol

im so scared uhhhh

[little osprey]

its normal dont worry

[odd cosmos]

should i hear a sound

when i click it in place

or not?

[little osprey]

force it down and theres lock mechanism if you see it

theres some metal thing holding it down

[odd cosmos]

yea i put it under the thing

[little osprey]

yeah congrats

[odd cosmos]

thats it?!

[little osprey]

yeah

[odd cosmos]

DID I ACTUALLY DO IT

[little osprey]

easy

[odd cosmos]

YAYA

thanksss

now ram

[little osprey]

ram is easy lol

just 2 side xd

[odd cosmos]

wait no cooler

first irght

[little osprey]

id go ram first

[odd cosmos]

ok

[little osprey]

dont forget apply thermal paste lmao

[odd cosmos]

i might have did this to the stock cooler

[little osprey]

oh if you use stock cooler yeah

[nova quarry]

You put the thermal paste on the cooler?

Or am I just misreading that?

[odd cosmos]

😋

Wrong emoji

Lol

[little osprey]

intel stock coolers comes with thermal paste applied lol

[odd cosmos]

Do u all see the image?

[odd cosmos]

Yea I might ha e touched it

I can’t send the file huh

[nova quarry]

Do they? I haven't used a stock cooler before tbh

[odd cosmos]

I accidentally touched it with my fingers trying to remove it out of the box

I’m not gonna use that one tho

[little osprey]

ugh

looks bad

[odd cosmos]

I got a separate one

From gammax

Does it have thermal paste?

[little osprey]

yeah I have few of them in box lol I dont use them either l

it may be have thermal paste in box

[nova quarry]

Personally i like noctua coolers :p

[odd cosmos]

does the gammax 400 come with thermal paste?

[little osprey]

I know theyre good but i find them ugly lol

[odd cosmos]

and btw is there anything on the ram i need to remove

[nova quarry]

Colors are disgusting. But they work really well lol

[odd cosmos]

before putting them in

[little osprey]

check the box lol

[little osprey]

no but do you know which side you need to put it ?

[odd cosmos]

yea

i saw on the book from mob

[little osprey]

lol good then xd

[odd cosmos]

which side do i put in first?

The side with the lever part or the other

[little osprey]

make sure its placed right and push it from both side

[odd cosmos]

I also might have scratched the ram a bit by putting it in and taking it out but it’s not too visible is it still ok?

Alright

[little osprey]

rams are not easy to destroy so i think it will work lol

[odd cosmos]

its not going innnn

idk why

so much pressure

[muted patio]

You're gonna want the other slots

[round stream]

push it harder?

[odd cosmos]

still not going in

[muted patio]

That have the levers closed in that pic

A2/B2

[odd cosmos]

wait wdyM?

[muted patio]

Furthest from CPU

skip a slot, ram stick, blank slot

[odd cosmos]

yea thats what i did isn't it

or did i do the wrong ones

should it be the other two

[muted patio]

This pic

[muted patio]

In this picture, the ram slots with the flipped levers are the wrong ones. Use the slots with the closed levers

[odd cosmos]

ok

[odd cosmos]

ok yea

i should press really hard

right

[muted patio]

Stick in straight up and down

[little osprey]

just make sure you put it right side

[muted patio]

Then click one end in at a time

[odd cosmos]

its not going in uhhuh

[muted patio]

line up the notch

with the bar in the slot

[odd cosmos]

yea

all done

should i press now?

[muted patio]

one end at a time, it'll click

[little osprey]

give it a try xd

[odd cosmos]

alright

which side first?

the one without the lever

or the one iwth it?

[muted patio]

The one with out the lever

[little osprey]

I alwasy pushing on both sides but you can start from without lever

[odd cosmos]

did it

lemme send pic

like this?

[muted patio]

As long as both ends clicked, yes

[odd cosmos]

yea they did

not a very clicky sound but it did

it was not a very sharp one but more smooth if u know what i mean

is that ok?

[clear moat]

hey guys does anyone know if an asus z370-i would fit into an h710

[muted patio]

Ya, it's fine

[odd cosmos]

alr

btw i cant tell if the gammax 400 come with thermal paste

it says this on the buttom so im assuming it does?

[muted patio]

Is there a gray square on the bottom?

Or did it come with a separate tube?

[muted patio]

Ah, no paste there

Check for a tube in the box

[odd cosmos]

Ok

It’s not a tube lol

It’s a small package

[muted patio]

There ya go

[odd cosmos]

How do o apply that onto the thing?

[muted patio]

Put it on the CPU

Pea sized drop

[odd cosmos]

k

also

is this concerning?

Is it designed to be like that or

The pins broke?

Or is it supposed to lack one pin

[muted patio]

supposed to be missing pin

[odd cosmos]

AHH

i was so scared

OMg

and now i have to get a screw driver

wait which way is the cooler supposed to go?

[little osprey]

cooler should be side that ram placed ig xd

[odd cosmos]

i see 4 screw slots for the stock cooler

but

the gammax 400 doesn't really fit

[little osprey]

stock cooler is easy to setup lol

[fossil cedar]

Look at the manual for the gammaxx

[little osprey]

yeah there should be plate or something

[fossil cedar]

For not stock coolers you usually need a different bracket

[odd cosmos]

omfg im so stupid

i got really nervous

and totally forgot

[fossil cedar]

It's okay lol

[odd cosmos]

that i had more pieces to the cooler

Ugh

thanks guys

[little osprey]

it reminds me my first build lol xd

[odd cosmos]

lol yea im a noob alright

[little osprey]

its alright i believe youll make it lol

[odd cosmos]

thanks for the encouragement and im trying my best!

[little osprey]

sure xd

[odd cosmos]

btw i should take off the foam on the mob right?

[wispy laurel]

Yes you should

[odd cosmos]

kk

Are these things needed later?

Or do i cut them off

[wispy laurel]

The little black strip? It looks like a zip strip holding the foam to the mother board. Plus it looks like it may be going into one of the screw holes for the stand-offs. They can be cut.

[desert gulch]

yeah looks like protective packaging

[earnest olive]

it's just a ziptie yeah asrock does that for all their mobos

[desert gulch]

go ahead and cut that off

[earnest olive]

you can cut them all

[desert gulch]

yet another reason ass-rock sucks

[earnest olive]

...?

how is that a bad thing

[desert gulch]

nah its kool

[earnest olive]

if anything the mobos are more protected

[desert gulch]

i just like when companies make it easy to unpackage

like no need to cut stuff

[earnest olive]

most brands just slap a sheet of loose foam in there

[desert gulch]

mine came with foam and in a rly well protected box

[earnest olive]

well how are you gonna build without a box cutter/scissors to unbox parts

[desert gulch]

no need to cut stuff close to mobo

[earnest olive]

you need it anyways

[desert gulch]

ig

i just hate zipties

[earnest olive]

what if amd branded ziptie

[desert gulch]

MAYBE THEN

lol

[odd cosmos]

how r u supposed to put the thermal paste from a packet?

[desert gulch]

ok

install cpu

[desert gulch]

then open packet

it has a little slit

that you tear along

then put an X on the cpu

[odd cosmos]

ok

does it dry out?

should i do it really fast

[wispy laurel]

It will not dry out.

[odd cosmos]

ok gud

[earnest olive]

it will dry out

just takes a couple of years

[fluid minnow]

im going to build a pc help me plz

[wispy laurel]

I answered in the context of his question

[midnight vigil]

instead of asking for help, maybe ask what you need help with

[fluid minnow]

parts

i have a case and a cpu

i need everything else

so i need advice

[midnight vigil]

What cpu

[fluid minnow]

ik absolutely nothing

[fluid minnow]

ryzen5 3600

i havent bought it yet

[midnight vigil]

What case

[stoic island]

Use pcpartpicker.com

[odd cosmos]

Is this good

[midnight vigil]

ye

wait

idk that looks good to me but i havent built before

[fluid minnow]

nzxt h10

[desert gulch]

budget for other parts?

[fossil cedar]

Itx build?

[midnight vigil]

can yall help him im just gonna lead him in the wrong direction

[fluid minnow]

like bro why is there toothpaste on that

[fluid minnow]

yh im building

[midnight vigil]

thermal paste

[fossil cedar]

Look like a tiny bit too much imo

[muted patio]

It's fine

Smash and go

[desert gulch]

ye its good

[odd cosmos]

ok

[manic forge]

Yeah looks like too much. But it wont matter that much temp wise

[midnight vigil]

Yeh

[fossil cedar]

It doesn't look like its too too much anyway that it would leak out or something

[fluid minnow]

i don't understand how everything works and what it does to the pc

[manic forge]

You mean thermal paste? It fills air gap between cpu and heatsink for better heat transfer

[midnight vigil]

Yeh

[stoic island]

Paste

[midnight vigil]

Paste

[stoic island]

@fluid minnow also, if you're building itx, I suggest looking at NR200p and TU150

[fluid minnow]

What does that mean

[desert gulch]

Those are tiny cases

[stoic island]

@fluid minnow
Cooler master NR200p
Lian Li TU150

[desert gulch]

For small builds

Like super compact

[fluid minnow]

What’s itx

[desert gulch]

Form factor

It's the super compact one

[wispy laurel]

The form factor of your mother board

[fluid minnow]

Oh k

[stoic island]

I thought you said you were building itx lol

[desert gulch]

Lol

Same

[fluid minnow]

I thought it was a typo

[stoic island]

What

[fluid minnow]

And he meant it’s build?

[stoic island]

Lol

[fluid minnow]

Is the case to small then

[desert gulch]

Nah

[fluid minnow]

The nzxt h10

[desert gulch]

It's good

[fluid minnow]

Nice

[stoic island]

Form factor sizes for example

Also what do you mean h10

The NZXT h1?

H510?

I don't think they have a h10

[wispy laurel]

They don't. I was just looking at that myself

[fluid minnow]

This 1

[stoic island]

H510... It's sucky

[odd cosmos]

no that doesnt have good cooling

[stoic island]

Ahem, it can't suck air because the front panel is solid >:D

[fluid minnow]

Bruh

It looks clean

[stoic island]

H510 is a meme bad case

[fluid minnow]

So what should I get instead

[stoic island]

Your choice from some good airflow cases, for example,
Phanteks P500a, P400a, P300a*
Fractal design Meshify C*
Corsair 4000d airflow*, 5000d airflow
Coolermaster TD500 mesh, H500
Lian Li Lancool ii mesh, Lancool 215

• For might want another fan with the case, the rest of them will do fine stock without buying more fans.

[odd cosmos]

I place the ssd on the top right?

[stoic island]

P500a and 5000d airflow on the expensive end, the rest other than 215 are in the 100$ range

[fluid minnow]

Ok

So I prioritise airflow

[stoic island]

@odd cosmos you see the silver thing next to the first pcie x16 slot?

[odd cosmos]

ya

[stoic island]

Unscrew the screw there, that's a heatsink for the first m.2 slot

@fluid minnow mainly, but any case with decent airflow will do.

[odd cosmos]

wait which one?

top right?

[fluid minnow]

Thanks for the advice

[stoic island]

:)

[odd cosmos]

where it says ulta m.2

?

sOH

OB

i see

thanksss

[stoic island]

:)

@fluid minnow use this, it's easier to work with, easier to share with, and easier to critique with
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Instead of having to list out what parts you're getting

[odd cosmos]

the screw is really tight is it supposed to be like that?

its like impossible to remove

the m.2 one i mean

[stoic island]

Shouldn't, do you have the right bit on your screwdriver?

[odd cosmos]

yea and i think i found the issue

lol

[stoic island]

Lol

[earnest gorge]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/VBBXz7 what do yall think

[odd cosmos]

how do you remove a chipped screw that is on the mother board

[stoic island]

Uh

@earnest gorge what's the 980 pro for, and why 4x8 for ram?

[earnest gorge]

because looks good

[stoic island]

And that's going to be very annoying..

Ick

[earnest gorge]

and the 980 pro well

[stoic island]

980 pro for looks....?

[earnest gorge]

idk tbh

i might change it

[stoic island]

It's like 100cad over a decent pcie 3.0 drive

[earnest gorge]

for the hynix gold

[stoic island]

P31 doesn't usually have good price in Canada

[earnest gorge]

ah

[stoic island]

Pilot e is decent pricing

Anyways I would change the mobo since pro4 doesn't have flashback

[earnest gorge]

yeah ik

[earnest gorge]

yeah i changed it for the motar rn

[stoic island]

GPU going to be wack to find but oh well

[odd cosmos]

I can’t remove the screw

Should I just rip the whole thing off

[solid dust]

Excuse my terrible drawing, but I mounted my radiator on the front since it won’t fit with my ram, but will it stay cool and be able to get enough airflow even though it will be heated up by the radiator? I will be mounting 2 outtake fans on top and one rear aswell

[terse tiger]

@celest horizon you asked if my o11 with a 3800x and 2060 was my pc from r/pcmasterrace, yes that is my pc and Reddit post

[stoic island]

@solid dust yes, it should work fine still.

[solid dust]

Ok thank you

[earnest gorge]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rhhhwz fixed it a little

[stoic island]

Oh boi that cooler, case, and fans

[solid dust]

My ram is like 2 inches tall for some reason paired with the fact my aio fans are like 2.5 inches with the radiator

[earnest gorge]

ik

[stoic island]

Can I suggest Corsair 4000d airflow or 5000d airflow at least?

[earnest gorge]

they look good tho

[earnest gorge]

🤮

[stoic island]

...

[earnest gorge]

lol

[solid dust]

That CPU cooler is very expensive lmao

[earnest gorge]

ik

[solid dust]

For what it is

[stoic island]

It's your money to spend

[solid dust]

And why is that case 200 bucks lmao

[earnest gorge]

cuz canadian

[stoic island]

It is what it is

[solid dust]

Were you planning on swapping the fans out for the RGB ones?

[earnest gorge]

yes

[solid dust]

You might just be better off buying an rgb case

[stoic island]

Oh yea, you'll prob need a fan hub, I don't think the case comes with one

[earnest gorge]

nah the rgb one has black rgb fans

[earnest gorge]

ill get the corsair one

[stoic island]

td500 mesh white time?

Lancool ii mesh white is also nice >:p

[earnest gorge]

whats wrong with the case

[odd cosmos]

Is that the right screw for the ssd?

M.2 one

[solid dust]

I have that one. It’s great

[earnest gorge]

I can understand the aio is overpriced

same for fans

[stoic island]

It's just annoying with how expensive it is for not giving you any fans you'll actually use

[earnest gorge]

ah

[stoic island]

Also, I don't think it has great airflow

[earnest gorge]

I just wannt find something white

and rgb

(not squas)

everything but squas

[solid dust]

Buy the white lian li II mesh rgb

That’s what I have

[stoic island]

@earnest gorge try td500 mesh white or lancool ii mesh white

Both are ~100usd msrp, with 3 included rgb fans

[solid dust]

@earnest gorge it looks sweet so far

[earnest gorge]

Ik lancool sexy

Also for the fans i saw the lian li st120

the fans that come with the galahad aio

60$ for 3 fans

[stoic island]

Going galahad and lancool ii mesh is probably a great idea if cad pricing is fine

[solid dust]

The lian li saves you 250 bucks lmao just on the case

[stoic island]

Cad pricing is wacky but yea

[solid dust]

Since you aren’t buying $180 fans and a 150 case

[earnest gorge]

the case is 145$ man

[solid dust]

My case was 100 on sale

And it had rgb fans lol

[earnest gorge]

lancool 160

[stoic island]

Remeber usd vs cad

[solid dust]

Yeah, that one look better. I have the lancool ii rgb, so that’s like 125 cad ish

[stoic island]

Either way, having to buy less fans = profit

[solid dust]

^

The one I bought is like 125-140 Canadian

[echo vale]

sorry to interrupt can you guys take a look at this

[stoic island]

160cad atm

[echo vale]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GBHcLP

[stoic island]

Interesting...

@echo vale I'd swap the cooler for a freezer ii, ek-aio, or Galahad

[solid dust]

Except when my radiator doesn’t fit top mounted and I have to buy more fans because the ones that came with it are too short

[echo vale]

alrighty

[stoic island]

A relatively bad performer for 2x the price of better AIOs are a bit iffy

[fading sphinx]

I have an asus z590 I just put together I can’t get it to display the rgb on the board turned on but nothing else

[stoic island]

@echo vale what's the reasoning behind the mobo and ram?

[solid dust]

290 for a cpu cooler!

[stoic island]

@fading sphinx check cables, if nothing, make sure it's plugged into the GPU not the mobo if you have a gpu, and reset cmos if those don't work.

[echo vale]

i think gskill is my fav brand of ram tbh

mobo im not to familliar with im switching from intel so any insight is fine

[solid dust]

It doesn’t even have the ncxt tv screen on it

[stoic island]

Brand loyalty aside, those choices seem slightly silly without a specific reason

[solid dust]

For 290

[fading sphinx]

It’s an I tell with the f on the end so I used a 750 ti i o ow works and nothing how do o reset cmos?

[echo vale]

so you mean why? 3200?

[stoic island]

It's just, 2x8gb of ram for more expensive than a good kit of 2x16gb ram

And the motherboard is 300$+, yea.

[balmy patio]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/23hhwz this could prolly be a bit better

[stoic island]

@fading sphinx battery method
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[echo vale]

i do alot of rendering so 16 isnt a bother

do u have a better reccomendationg for a mobo tho or?

[stoic island]

No no, I was pointing out how bad the pricing is

[echo vale]

ohhh

[stoic island]

Motherboard wise, did you have any specific reason for x570-e?

Any features on it you need?

[echo vale]

just looked at tech videos no reason other than i also want to be able to get into overclocking aswell heard this was a good reccomendation

[stoic island]

@echo vale to start off, what are you looking to gain from overclocking?

[fading sphinx]

Hmm still not working my battery was loose I don’t see any cables that are loose

[stoic island]

Wack

The monitor is plugged into the GPU, right?

[fading sphinx]

Yea I have a hdmi and a display port

Tried together and apart

[marble seal]

is the gpu power loose by any chance

oh you just checked nvm

[fading sphinx]

It’s a 750ti no cords going to it

Trying to send an image but I’m using my phone so it’s sloooowwwww

The rgb on the board come on as soon as I turn the switch on the psu on and nothing happens

Cant power it from the case

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Here’s the build

[stoic island]

wrong link

[fading sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2nZV9N

[echo vale]

i just want more juice tldr mostly for gaming other wise no crazy reason

[fading sphinx]

Better😁

[echo vale]

sorry for the late response

[stoic island]

Welp, don't expect too much from it, it ain't no magical button that gives you extra performance, it may, but it's annoying and not consistent

If nothing special, I'll quickly edit smth rq

[echo vale]

yeah thts fine haha

[stoic island]

Do you need wifi or do you have access to ethernet?

[fading sphinx]

Need wifi

[echo vale]

ethernet

[stoic island]

@echo vale Changed cooler to better cooler, mobo to nice cheaper mobo, moar ram of likely better quality, better ssd for cheaper, added a reasonable price to the 3070 listing so price is in there, same quality PSU, but higher wattage and cheaper.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hqx82V

[echo vale]

tutu

tyty*

[earnest olive]

psu seems overkill for 5800x + 3070

everything else i like

[stoic island]

@earnest olive it was a T2 before so

[earnest olive]

could get a revo d.f 750 or even 650

[stoic island]

could, but revo 850w is nice anyways

[earnest olive]

i mean

still a revo d.f

just lower wattage

[stoic island]

(I like +10$ for moar wattage)

[echo vale]

also

[earnest olive]

this build uses like 500w peak

not a big deal tho

[stoic island]

yea not a big deal

revo d.f. just a nice deal

[echo vale]

thismotherboard is fine for the 5800x? like bios wise cause i was hearing some mobos have older bios and wat not

[earnest olive]

it's absolutely fine

i have the slightly lower end b550 aorus elite

[stoic island]

One of the reason that mobo is recommended is that it has bios flashback

[marble seal]

so the case button not powering it on is the issue - is that hooked up to the board?

[echo vale]

ohhh

thank you for the help guys im a newbie so

[earnest olive]

mr1111 is a very smart guy you can trust him

[stoic island]

(bios flashback means you can flash it without needing to boot even if you have wrong bios version)

:)

[fading sphinx]

Yea it’s all hooked up

[echo vale]

[fading sphinx]

I even unplugged all of the case pins and replugged@marble seal

[stoic island]

Hm

[marble seal]

they didnt look plugged in that pic

[earnest olive]

try unplugging all of the front panel jumpers and using screwdriver to short power sw pins manually

sometimes there can be an internal problem

i had a case where the power sw jumper coming out of the case didn't work, but shorting power sw manually with screwdriver worked

had to return the case as defective

[fading sphinx]

That was it it’s booting now

[earnest olive]

ah that's good that we found your problem then

the bad news is that you need to disassemble your build now and return the case

there is some kind of wire in there i believe, could have been severed during shipping or just plain defective out of the factory

not much you can do about it

[fading sphinx]

I don’t mind getting a mother case o enjoyed putting it together

[earnest olive]

that's good

pc building is fun

[fading sphinx]

Any good suggestions I want a white case

[earnest olive]

well if you otherwise like the case you've got right now, you could just get a same model replacement

my favorite white case is the corsair 4000D airflow white

however it's not at a good price right now

so you could consider phanteks p400a white

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FP3mP6/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dwt

[echo vale]

[earnest olive]

you could mount your radiator to the top and keep the 3 included fans as is

[fading sphinx]

It hits the ram

Sorry I’m on phone discord it’s horrible

Not sure what wire made contact but now the button works

[solid dust]

I have to order 3 more fans and they don’t get here until Tuesday with prime

[odd cosmos]

wait guys, where are the screws that are used to mount the mob to the case?

in the case or in the mob?

[potent portal]

Usually with the case

[odd cosmos]

uh, there were no packaging with my case tho

i got a a400

[potent portal]

Check inside the case in the drive bays

[odd cosmos]

drive bays?

like the area where u pu the mob?

[potent portal]

Where the hard drive goes

[odd cosmos]

ok

[civic tusk]

How do you plan to do that in a p400a it doesn't have top rad support

[odd cosmos]

Wait how r u suppose to open the back of the p400a?

[fading sphinx]

Hmm it’s not working again it posted#after power down and installing the m.2 same won’t power on

[solid dust]

In the bottom where the psu goes

[civic tusk]

What do you mean like take the side panel off

[odd cosmos]

What is a psu?

[civic tusk]

Power supply

[odd cosmos]

Yea

But now the glass one

The other one

[solid dust]

Power supply. It’s a big black box with a fan and a bunch of holes for wires

[civic tusk]

And to get the side panel off it just slides off once you unscrew the thumb screws at the back

[earnest olive]

my bad saw fan mounts but i see now it doesn't have enough clearance

you are correct

[odd cosmos]

Ok

[earnest olive]

thank you for the correction

[odd cosmos]

Thanks you app

[civic tusk]

Yeah I have the p400a digital it's the one major drawback it has if it is one

[odd cosmos]

Al

All

[civic tusk]

I personally don't like aios myself

[earnest olive]

i did a build in a darkflash dlm21 with a 240mm rad

the case said 240mm rad support

[solid dust]

@odd cosmos here’s where the drive bays normally are. Some cases are from the back, but mine is on the front. And that’s where the box is with the parts

[earnest olive]

it was really hard to squeeze the rad in the front but i managed to do it

after i got it in i looked online to see if i did something wrong

turns out if you read the fine print it says only top support

but... i got it working in the front anyways

there was just literally 0 clearance left between the rad and the front panel i/o

[civic tusk]

Arctic liquid freezer II is one that causes a few problems in some cases for compatibility just due to the thicker than normal rad

[earnest olive]

looks completely innocent lol

that rad is not supposed to be there 🙂

[fading sphinx]

That’s clean

[solid dust]

So this should be fine for airflow? I was originally going to top mount my aio, but my ram is too tall so I’m putting it on the front with the case fans. I just need to hook them up to the radiator itself, but then otherwise my case shouldn’t get too hot with the radiator heating up the cool intake from the front. I am also planning on putting in 2 top mounted and one rear, for outtake, but they are in the mail

[earnest olive]

will be fine

[solid dust]

Excuse my terrible drawing but I was trying to show how air would go in

[earnest olive]

your gpu may run a few degrees hotter due to using air that has been the cpu rad

but it will be okay

i really can't tell if i like the design of the msi z590-a pro or not lol

the lines are kinda cool but i feel like the pcb looks too busy

[solid dust]

I like it so far

[echo vale]

👀 thts so clean

[earnest olive]

my mobo is just a black slab

thank you

it does look quite nice for a should-be impossible rad placement

[echo vale]

xd

[solid dust]

It has a lot of heat shields everywhere, it came with 3 for m.2 drives, one over io, and one by the cpu

[earnest olive]

well i am talking specifically about the looks

i know it is a good board

iffy about the gray lines all over the pcb

[solid dust]

It looks almost like a puzzle

Like how a puzzle looks slightly dif than the og pic. And how all the lines cover it

If you get what I mean

[echo vale]

lmfao

it has a minimalistic look tbh

i dont like the bottom left tho

Strix looks awkward to me idk

[earnest olive]

what on earth

[solid dust]

I feel like it looks fuller than if it was just blank lmao, like more complex

[earnest olive]

why is there a 6 pin power connector on the bottom of the board

this is my build, i like that the pcb doesn't look too busy

helps everything else shine

[odd cosmos]

Guys how do u open up the psu screws that are stuck inside and behind the fans?

[echo vale]

vayne..

oh no

[odd cosmos]

For the p400a

[echo vale]

i respect it

[earnest olive]

stuck inside and behind the fans?

[solid dust]

Yeah, what is that for lmao

The 6 pin

[earnest olive]

i'm not even a vayne main tbh i just liked the figurine

[solid dust]

Maybe for a wifi card?

[echo vale]

oof its okay i understand i have a rem figure in mine

[earnest olive]

i am a professional self-loather jungle main

[echo vale]

LOL

me to

i main udyr

[earnest olive]

get away from me heathen

[echo vale]

LOL

i dont like chemtank tho so its okay

[earnest olive]

i can smell your body odor from here

[echo vale]

i bathe everyday

[earnest olive]

just kidding i'm no better i'm a single celled organism hecarim main

i also do not like chemtank though

triforce till i die

[echo vale]

whats ur ign ? im down to queue some games sometime

SAME

LOL

[earnest olive]

pillowcase

only play norm drafts now though

i gave up on ranked i can't get out of dia to save my life

[fading sphinx]

Yea I can’t get this computer to power back on

[earnest olive]

ok this is getting too off topic now

[echo vale]

^

sorry

[earnest olive]

even shorting the power sw pins it won't turn on?

[odd cosmos]

yea

behind them

[fading sphinx]

Yea shorted and no juice

[earnest olive]

can you take a pic i don't know what you're talking about @odd cosmos

[odd cosmos]

kk

[earnest olive]

@fading sphinx first can i see your part list

[fading sphinx]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zsKd2V

It has a zotac 750ti in it rn from my other pc

[solid dust]

I have the same hard drive, m.2 and cooler in my pc lmao

[odd cosmos]

Inside the dark spot

There is a screw

That I can’t unscrew

[fading sphinx]

@solid dust you must know your ish

[earnest olive]

@fading sphinx is there any sign of life when you power on or just nothing

[solid dust]

Ish? Wdym

[fading sphinx]

No

[earnest olive]

@odd cosmos those are holding in the hard drive bay i believe

just leave it alone

[fading sphinx]

@solid dust just good taste like me

[earnest olive]

unless you have a specific reason you need to remove the drive bay?

so rgb is on but the pc does not turn on?

[solid dust]

@earnest olive I did some digging, and that extra 6 pin at the bottom is if you had multiple gpus and needed more power

[odd cosmos]

The motherboard screws are in the bay and I need those

[earnest olive]

do you get any fan spin at all when you press power

[fading sphinx]

No

[earnest olive]

can't pull out the box without removing the drive bay?

[solid dust]

@fading sphinx We both have great taste lmao

[earnest olive]

that's interesting, i'm running a 3080 and a 3070 off of a single board with no extra power needed

[solid dust]

Idk that’s what the manual said, it was like if you are running multiple graphics cards and need to inject more power directly yet I have no clue what that means

Lmao

Why would you want to ‘inject’ more power

[fading sphinx]

@earnest olive earlier it was doing this I jumped the pins and it fired right up I installed the m.2 and now it won’t

[earnest olive]

ahh

i think i got it

[odd cosmos]

Yea the motherboard screws are in there

[earnest olive]

is the m.2 drive installed in the top slot?

[fading sphinx]

No the bottom left

[earnest olive]

oh

[fading sphinx]

Said drive 1 wouldent work

[earnest olive]

yeah the top slot is disabled with your cpu

[fading sphinx]

Unless drive one is the one I put it in

Ok

[earnest olive]

do you get any fan spin when you press power button

[fading sphinx]

No

[earnest olive]

what does the screw head look like

sorry i meant power sw, do you get any fan spin when you short power sw

[odd cosmos]

They are t shaped

[fading sphinx]

No

[earnest olive]

hmm

idk what kind of screw is t-shaped

[fading sphinx]

Do you mean Phillip’s

@odd cosmos

[earnest olive]

this model should have trays in the drive bay that slide out

can you slide out the tray that holds the accessory box? you may have to squeeze the ends together to make it come out

@fading sphinx try removing the m.2 and see if it posts again

[fading sphinx]

Doing it now

[odd cosmos]

I somehow got the screw out

and

now

the problem is

the hard drive tray is blocking

[fading sphinx]

no go still not turning on

[odd cosmos]

the package with the screw

[solid dust]

The package with the screws should be in the hard drive tray

[earnest olive]

https://youtu.be/YtHCvZTqbgU?t=140 this video at 2:20 should help you

i already put the timestamp in the link

watch how he removes it

[solid dust]

The box should be in just like how a hard drive should be, not blocking it @odd cosmos

[earnest olive]

that's strange, did you maybe hit the board by accident with screwdriver during install?

[solid dust]

Ends up unscrewing the entire drive bay sleds and the box thingy -mounting tray they go in, and then asking how to put them back in

[fading sphinx]

@earnest olive no I’m sure I didn’t

[earnest olive]

try removing 1 stick of ram then clearing cmos

see if anything changes

keep m.2 out

[fading sphinx]

Ok

[odd cosmos]

but it's behind something

it's not opening up

[solid dust]

Are you looking at them from the back or the front of the case

[odd cosmos]

um you mean on the bottum or top?

top

[earnest olive]

did you watch the part of the video i linked

[odd cosmos]

ok i will

sorry my phone keeps dying

OMFG, U CAN JUST TAKE THE BAKE PANEL OFF

[solid dust]

@odd cosmos open the back panel of your case and then you can slide them out the back

[odd cosmos]

I SPENT THE LAST HOUR TRYING TO DO IT