building-and-recc-chat

[rich helm]

Why

[signal scarab]

i bought a motherboard from them last year and it cam back broken and same with a spu AIO cooler

[rich helm]

That’s either shipping or the seller

Or just bad luck

[signal scarab]

Yeah Id rather go newegg

[rich helm]

Amazon is super reliable for me

But I live in the us so idk

[signal scarab]

yeah may be different there

[dire mango]

would msi 2060 gaming z 6gb card be better with a Ryzen 5 3600x or the MSI 3070 3x oc card be better if I can win the suffle and buy the 3070

[royal shore]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

[muted patio]

COnsidering the prices of 2060's, get a 3070 instead

[dire mango]

Well the 2060 is 892 and the 3070 that is in the shuffle is 739

[muted patio]

Yeah, that's a hard heck no on the 2060

MSRP is like 399

or 349

[dire mango]

but the thing is, is being able to get the 3070

[royal shore]

3000 or bust

[muted patio]

don't overpay for a 2060

Def not worth

[still roost]

ATx93#6892 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dire mango]

Yeah this pricing is crazy everything got so expensive then scalpers taking all the new cards

Any leads on places that have stocked 3070's?

[muted patio]

None of them are in stock

[royal shore]

prollychina

[dire mango]

Yeah i know new egg has on it the product shuffle but my luck is crap and willnever get it

[royal shore]

may be worth checking chinese amazon Alibaba lmao

[dire mango]

thanks though guys

I'll find on on wish :OMEGALUL:

[cursive wharf]

idk, probs only on hws, of which is rather rare to get any Ampere listings scalped or not. I havent really looked at other places but I think it's near US hws except for 3080fe cuz we dont have that. Asking price of 3080fe is easily 2.8 - 3k cad

[odd cosmos]

guys should i start building my motherboard components before the case and power supply arrives or wait till all is here?

[fossil cedar]

Wait

[rustic flare]

one last q- if my psu is 650 and the watt usage is probably around like low 400 i'm alright correct

[odd cosmos]

ok

[muted patio]

What parts exactly? 65W Cpu can pull 150+W

[odd cosmos]

lol same issue arises

once again, power

lmao

[fossil cedar]

I mean you could start but you'd just have to leave your mobo and all on the box and in the way of other stuff and then when you build whole thing it's just gonna better if you wait

[muted patio]

You did what I did earlier XD

[rustic flare]

5600x and 3070 @muted patio

[muted patio]

650W is fine if it's a good one

[rustic flare]

interesting

[muted patio]

650W Gigabyte PGM? Nah, EVGA N1? nah. S12III Seasonic, maybe. Most everything else will be fine

[timber crescent]

What plug is this came on the case?

[rustic flare]

i mean i got a powerspec so 🤷‍♂️

[muted patio]

USB 3.1/3.2 Type C for motherboard

[timber crescent]

Ok.

[muted patio]

Powerspec is rather low end but should be OK

[rustic flare]

😓 alrighty

[muted patio]

Your motherboard most likely doesn't have a connection for it

Still kinda new

[timber crescent]

It has one according to the manual, it's a new motherboard z590 arous elite.

[full atlas]

My audio isn’t working on the hdmi on my mobo, what should I do?

[muted patio]

Are you using the integrated iGPU from the processor?

[full atlas]

Yes

[muted patio]

Did it work before?

[full atlas]

Nope

[muted patio]

I'm not sure that's supported with iGPU's, I'd need to check

[rustic flare]

. i had a 750w evga in my old desktop this whole time

probably best not to reuse though huh

[muted patio]

It's right at the bottom of the ram slots

[timber crescent]

Ok

[full atlas]

Oh dang. I kinda assumed it would use the audio from the mobo for the hdmi port, but considering the fact it worked when I plugged in my speakers to the 3.5mm audio out you might be right

[muted patio]

3.5mm jacks are from the onboard audio processor, typically Realtek

[muted patio]

From what I'm reading, the iGPU needs to be set as the main boot device in the BIOS

To have the audio come from it

[full atlas]

I’ll try that, if it doesn’t work I’ll run an aux cable

[full atlas]

Do you have any idea on how I would do that using Msi click bios?

[muted patio]

I don't know what heading it's under. What board

[full atlas]

H510i pro WiFi

[lyric crag]

It’s going to go down this weekend

[fossil cedar]

H510? Better not be anything more than an i3 on there

[full atlas]

It’s an 11400...

[muted patio]

WOW that manual is bad

No BIOS menus in there at all

[fossil cedar]

whyyyy tho

[muted patio]

Why do we insist on hardware shaming people?

I don't understand

[full atlas]

It was what was in stock when we ordered. At least it has some form of vrm cooling...

[fossil cedar]

But b560s are like 10$ more or same price

[fossil cedar]

Yeah sorry sorry my b

[full atlas]

I literally just said “what was in stock when we ordered”

[muted patio]

SO the manual is completely useless

I'd check under the F4 CPU menu

[fossil cedar]

Fair fair sorry didn't mean to seem that harsh 😅

[muted patio]

F7 takes you to advanced mode where it should be under something like Onboard Devices

[full atlas]

Like literally no boards were in stock besides this, and it doesn’t seem too bad (besides this painful Msi bios).

[fossil cedar]

That's fair, is the msi bios that bad?

[full atlas]

Even a little heatsink on the SoC vrms which was surprising

[fossil cedar]

Ntb

[full atlas]

It’s pretty bad IMO

[rich helm]

My msi bios isn’t too bad but I have a z series board. The main thing about msi is dragon center which on some devices messes stuff up if you don’t install it

[fossil cedar]

Ooof at least it aint asrock

[fossil cedar]

They might have cut it down for the h board then

[muted patio]

They did

[full atlas]

Well I couldn’t find the setting in the bios, but I’m just gonna use an aux cable, it works with one

[muted patio]

Sorry, I can't find a BIOS manual for that board lol

[full atlas]

All good, thx for the help

[little osprey]

Thoughts on this ? Any reccomended changes?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9zfzLP

[muted patio]

Mushkin Pilot E is cheaper than Sabrent, save you $20. Otherwise lookd great TBH

[little osprey]

I'll look it up bro, thanks man!

[wary burrow]

Is gpu stuff good now?

[muted patio]

Nope

Still a royal PITA and very limited supply

[cold sorrel]

I need to haul my parts somewhere in the house so I can take a good picture to show off. (Minus the hard drive I already removed from box and placed in an external enclosure to start backing up my files from the laptop. Particularly my Steam library 'cause I ain't downloading all that again.)

[full inlet]

definitely, (insert sarcasm) the powerful GT 710 is going for a reasonable 250usd on ebay right now

[wary burrow]

Lmao

[cold sorrel]

My internet connection isn't as terrible as it was, but if I can not have to redownload several tens of GB of stuff...

[orchid matrix]

My first build pc just booted 😀 one problem only one of my Ram sticks are being read out of my two

[cold sorrel]

I'd reseat the RAM as a first resort. One stick probably isn't all the way in. (No biggie, it happens.)

[orchid matrix]

Thanks

[eternal oxide]

Imma get a rtx titan

[cold sorrel]

Trust me, if the worst thing that went wrong with the build is a failure to insert the RAM properly... you did good. Even the pro people have that happen.

(And this is why we do not put the side panel on until we're sure no more meddling with the internals is necessary.)

[orchid matrix]

My rams working fine now I’m having trouble installing windows. I don’t know where to change it to let me boot with the usb. (I’m using an msi motherboard)

[muted patio]

usually F8 is the boot menu

[rich helm]

Can testify, ram was not all the way in in my 29th build I’ve done

[cold sorrel]

Other common mistakes that happen - forget to switch power supply on, forget to check if the power strip switch is on, plug the monitor into the mobo instead of the GPU, fail to plug a power cable in properly... Lots of little issues that are obnoxious but not the end of the world.

Heck, I had a dumb moment when the guy came to install our new cable TV service. We were trying to figure out why the TV and box wouldn't come on... Turns out I'd unplugged the power strip because we'd had a bad storm a couple of days prior and forgot to plug it back into the wall.

[frank vapor]

someone please tell me what this gpu is

[lyric thistle]

1 slot card 😳

Has the somewhat old Nvidia logo

GeForce rather

[worldly mica]

hey someone wanna check my build to see if i should change anything or add anything

[frank vapor]

so what is it 🤥

[stoic island]

kinda hard just from a pic like that

if I had to guess it's a decade old

[frank vapor]

damn

i’m gonna go take the gpu out

[worldly mica]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rkc6ZZ

is this build good or should i change it out

[stoic island]

It's fine

[lyric thistle]

Something like an 8800 GT maybe?

[stoic island]

I'd personally grab like a revo d.f. 850w for 10-20$ more just because tho

[worldly mica]

me?

[stoic island]

ye

aparently this is fe for 8800gt tho

looks a bit different

what

silicon motion?

[merry cove]

What is the best monitor

[stoic island]

for what price

[merry cove]

200

[stoic island]

try MSI G242

[merry cove]

How about 300

[stoic island]

Depends on the GPU at that point

stretch the budget a bit more and Gigabyte M27q

godly 1440p panel

but not all GPUs will have fun running 1440p

[merry cove]

What is the best 60 keyboard

[pale dust]

theres a lot

take a look at the drevo seer pro

rk61 is also good

i have the drevo and its pretty good

52 for gateron switches and bluetooth 5

and good rgb

[merry cove]

Is k552 good

[stoic island]

no

k552 sucky

[merry cove]

What is the best 60 keyboard under 70 dollar

[stoic island]

prob rk61

[merry cove]

Is red switch good for gaming

[stoic island]

red or brown, your choice

[pale dust]

the best

[stoic island]

smh

[pale dust]

but some people may also prefer brown

[stoic island]

I like tactiles

[pale dust]

because you can feel the key being pressed

[stoic island]

most people are fine with either

[pale dust]

i love how smooth reds are though

[stoic island]

time to give gifs

https://input.club/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/BrownSwitch-3D.gif

[pale dust]

but seriously more people should look at the drevo keyboard

[stoic island]

https://input.club/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/cherry-mx-red-500px-15-frames.gif

[pale dust]

im not an expert

but for 50 it seems really good

[cold sorrel]

I think someone said I'm going to have to flash the BIOs on my mobo before it'll boot with my 5600x.

[stoic island]

what mobo

and not always

[pale dust]

yeah some come updated

which one is it

[stoic island]

It's a "if it doesn't boot, just flash bios" thing

or you can choose to pre-emptively flash if you want to

[cold sorrel]

MSI b550 Gaming Edge Wifi

[pale dust]

hmm

i dont know about msi

but on my asus board

there was a sticker next to the ram slot

that said which bios it had

[stoic island]

msi basically always have bios flashback

so

[pale dust]

oh yeah that too

[merry cove]

It mechanical better than optical

[pale dust]

yes

[stoic island]

mech hotswap has much more options than optical hotswap

[pale dust]

wait actually i dont know

technically optical ones respond faster

but i doubt

[stoic island]

meh

[pale dust]

its anything huge

really more of a gimmick isnt it

[stoic island]

technically you could just get a mech switch with lower actuation distance with mech if you want to lol

it's kinda gimmicky

[merry cove]

Mechanical brown is good right?

[pale dust]

yeah

[stoic island]

gateron brown and red are nice

[pale dust]

jack of all trades

[stoic island]

browns are the best to start off with imo

[pale dust]

yeah

i started off with noisy blues

and i really didnt fw those

[stoic island]

so did I

[pale dust]

like holy crap they were knockoff chinese switche

like jixian or something wack

so wobbly

so rattly

[merry cove]

What is the best mouse under 70 dollar

[pale dust]

depends on your preference

light mouse?

heavy mouse?

[merry cove]

Yea

Light

[pale dust]

how tall are you

usually hand size is correlated to

height

[merry cove]

5’6

[pale dust]

hmm

[merry cove]

13 year old

[pale dust]

yeah you have like small medium hands then

do you currently have a gaming mouse?

[merry cove]

Yea

It suck

[frank vapor]

what’s the average fps you would get on mc

[stoic island]

what

[pale dust]

do you palm your mouse or

fingertip grip

[merry cove]

My mouse

[stoic island]

ick

8800gt so crappy

[merry cove]

Fingertip grip it slow and hard

[stoic island]

like 10-20fps kind of thing xD

[pale dust]

oh ok

you should look at

viper mini

the model o

and like theres a cooler master mouse

mm711 or something

you should also ask in #peripherals-and-displays

lots of geeks there

[frank vapor]

what are you on about

[stoic island]

iGPUs outperform it

by more than 2x

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-UHD-630-vs-GeForce-8800-GT/3826vs1279

[sudden jewel]

Can someone help me out with a build? Here's what I have so far. I'm still not settled on the mobo.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x44wvf

[muted patio]

8800gt wont even support modern games due to old directx support lol

[lyric thistle]

Sell 8800 GT to retro game enthusiast

[stoic island]

eh, they asked about minecraft so

[muted patio]

I know

[frank vapor]

it’s just sitting in my apartments basement lol

[stoic island]

@sudden jewel Well, let's start from the top, I wouldn't suggest the motherboard, as that specific model has a lack of fan headers, I would try to go for something like aorus b550 pro if you want to stay at the price point, something like a B550m pro-vdh wifi if you want to save a bit on the motherboard

[frank vapor]

would it actually sell? @lyric thistle

[lyric thistle]

Yea I guess

[frank vapor]

for around how m

[lyric thistle]

Not much

[frank vapor]

rip

[lyric thistle]

Take a look at the card n see what the stickers say

[stoic island]

@sudden jewel Next, the ram is just okay, it's a bit overpriced, but if you really wanted rgb..?
Otherwise, I would grab a ballistix kit like this
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1548846-REG/crucial_bl2k16g36c16u4b_ballistix_32gb_16x2_3600_mhz.html

[sudden jewel]

I'm fine with the RAM not being RGB, just was going for 32 GB

[stoic island]

Next in line, the MP33 itself is a decent nuff SSD, but beware that the parametric filter might throw out wacky crappy drives at other times.

3070 you'll want to edit in pricing just so you can see total pricing, but just make sure you can get one.

Case wise, 4000d at 95$ is quite mediocre, I'd grab a td500 mesh for like 5$ more, moar fans moar cooling.

[cold sorrel]

I'd not buy anything else until you get a GPU.

[stoic island]

PSU wise, Revolution D.F. 850w is higher quality and Cheaper.

[green laurel]

hello i am new to pc building i was wondering if it would be hurt or help cpu temps if rad 240mm was on top and 1 fan was pushing and 1 fan pulling may be a stupid question i just am not shore?

[muted patio]

Ifbtop, both exhaust

[sudden jewel]

I currently have a R9 390X which will work until I can get a GPU at roughly MSRP, so I'm not super concerned there.

[muted patio]

Heat should go out of the case not back in ;)

[stoic island]

fair

[green laurel]

right i thought the same but that is why i was wondering if it would be more optimal is 1 of the fans was sucking in cool air just didnt know thought..

[muted patio]

Nope.

[green laurel]

but ok good deal thank you!

[muted patio]

👍

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BsyM7X
i think i made a 5600x + 3070 build with a monitor for it's not completely wasted on with some actually decent parts for $1500

might get it who knows

[vagrant olive]

yeah but keep in mind that all the other 3070s besides the founders edition which is pretty hard to get are all like $600-750

[little osprey]

yea i know

[stoic island]

FE is in the list so I assume they're going for FE lel

[little osprey]

i mean galax looked pretty good but like it's never around

:/

[round stream]

which is more bang for the buckl 3060ti or 3070

[vagrant olive]

3060 ti imo

[little osprey]

3060 ti for 1440p or under

[round stream]

ok

[little osprey]

or i can go 3060 ti and spend more wisely

[stoic island]

eh

meh

[little osprey]

hey it's $100 more to work with

[stoic island]

3060ti fe drops are like nonexistant tho

never seen one before xD

[little osprey]

well just gotta camp bestbuy

or get scalped

[stoic island]

lol

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qNJLgt here we go

actually better stuff

[stoic island]

the pilot e price ick

for 20$ less, mp33 is nicer option atm

[little osprey]

oh wait it's $70 yikes

[stoic island]

or sn550 for like 12$ less

[little osprey]

thought it was still at $60

yea that aint great for $70

[stoic island]

and also, 3600c16 ram might be close in pricing

iirc just 90$

gimme back our 50$ 3200c16 and 75$ 3600c16

[little osprey]

kinda

i guess

i think

like $8 off

[stoic island]

ballistix 3600c16 calls out to you

[little osprey]

wait when was this a thing

[stoic island]

like 3 months ago

it was commonplace

[little osprey]

well it is apparent i have some memory issues

[stoic island]

those were the good old days

[little osprey]

ahah see what i did there

[stoic island]

hehe

[sudden jewel]

Ok, with those edits I'm sitting right about at $1500, which is where I wanted to be.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kxFjDc

[harsh epoch]

hi

are used GPU's bad????

[lyric thistle]

No

[little osprey]

why 850w

also damn td500 is cheap rn

pog

[sudden jewel]

For 3070

[muted patio]

MP33 is so bad, Mushkin Pilot E, only need 650W for that GPU,

[sudden jewel]

I saw LTT's benchmarks and it seemed these GPUs could spike in power usage

[muted patio]

Nah

Just 3080/3090

[sudden jewel]

I've heard very conflicting information on how much is needed. Ok, so that was only for the higher end ones?

Better SSD recommendation?

[muted patio]

Mushkin Pilot E

[sudden jewel]

I was pretty sure that that's what I had initially. Idk why it's this one now

[muted patio]

Another $15 for a whole lot more performance

[sudden jewel]

Ok

Would it be worth it to keep the 850 for upgradeability?

At that price, it's not much more than a lot of Gold 650-750s

Also, the reason I don't have more storage or a monitor is because I plan on using my current ones until I can upgrade more.

[subtle gyro]

i was wondering if anyone know when the next batch of 3060 will be avaliable?

[jagged ember]

nope

not that a 3060 is any good in general

at least, compared to the rest of the 3000 series

and 2000 series...

[lyric thistle]

It's like

A suped up 2060

[jagged ember]

not even that souped up

doesn't 2060 still keep up with it

[muted patio]

2060 super

[rose torrent]

The 3060 is equivalent to a 2070 non super

In my testing at least

[muted patio]

Depends on the game, sometimes 2060 super

[rose torrent]

Depends on the game, sometimes 2070 super

[muted patio]

Overall from the vast marjority of reviewers, 2060 super

[subtle gyro]

should i instead get a 3070?

[desert gulch]

id go 3060ti tbh

[muted patio]

No, 3060TI is the sweet spot

[desert gulch]

its best dollar to perf card in that range

[muted patio]

~10% less performance than 3070

[jagged ember]

3060ti for sure yeah

[muted patio]

but much less cost

[jagged ember]

ofc, 3060 is big upgrade if ur coming from like a 750

in those cases maybe worth more

[muted patio]

If you can get a cheaper 3060 like the under $400 ones, may be worth

[rose torrent]

Oh really, well let me look this up and see

Mine is quite literally performing at the same level as my 2070

[muted patio]

Well, TBH, 2060 super isn't all that far from a vanilla 2070

😉

[rose torrent]

Granted I OC’d both of them as anyone would

[tame ridge]

why the wink 🤨

[jagged ember]

why not the wink

[tame ridge]

[rose torrent]

It does have pretty good oc headroom

[jagged ember]

i mean, it's still all for naught mostly

gpu still OOS

[rose torrent]

Oh I got most of my GPUs early

[jagged ember]

lucky

[rose torrent]

Like for example

On September 17th when the 3080 came out and nvidia website crashed

Scalpers had that stuff up for only $100+ markup back then

Which funny enough is way less than current tariff MSRP

[jagged ember]

yeah looking back

that was not a bad deal

[rose torrent]

Oh how times have changed

[hexed hull]

Is this good for the price

[muted patio]

$500 oof

[jagged ember]

sheeesh

[muted patio]

No

[jagged ember]

and its a zotac

https://tenor.com/view/zotac-3080-gif-18549684

[hexed hull]

Micro center be overcharging

[jagged ember]

in short, frickin awful price

[muted patio]

Well, those have been discontinued for almost a year

That's what happens with discontinued products

[hexed hull]

My friend bought in order to try to sell for more so he can buy a 3080 for himself

[jagged ember]

uh

profit margin of 0 lol

[hexed hull]

But he can't find a buyer

[jagged ember]

yep

[hexed hull]

Hw said he'll refund it if no one buys it

[jagged ember]

no one actually wants a 2060 for 500 bucks

[muted patio]

Well yeah because that's what they're going for on Ebay

[hexed hull]

The same gpu is like 400 on ebay

So its dumb to buy it for more

[jagged ember]

honestly yeah

why'd he buy it?

[rustic flare]

i'm now having the issue of not knowing the first thing to play

i updated all my drivers and everything and here i am
empty inside
downloading flight sim which will take almost 2 hours

[jagged ember]

You could play this segue to our sponsor

[desert gulch]

yeah some ass wanted to scalp it harder to get money off it

kinda backfired

instant karma lmfao

[rustic flare]

cookie clicker

so true

[sudden jewel]

Remember when you could, like, buy a graphics card at MSRP? Just imagine...

[hollow juniper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HHRcLP

decent build?

[muted patio]

Not for 2k....ouch..

[desert gulch]

i mean for like 1k you can get better perf...

[muted patio]

Im on my phone else id do a list

[hollow juniper]

im open to suggestions i just dont want something over 2200

thats my budget

[desert gulch]

use case?

like gaming, productivity?

[hollow juniper]

a mix of both

[desert gulch]

ok

ye i cant rly make a list rn but prolly someone else is on who can

[vagrant olive]

@hollow juniper im a bit busy rn but heres a white build i made a while ago thats probably not the greatest for current prices, someone can probably edit it if they want https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rwm9dD

[desert gulch]

id prolly go pilot e 1tb and a cheaper mobo, with a 850 watt revo d.f. for more headroom and its cheaper lol

[vagrant olive]

👍

im going to save some budget and put the build in an h510

the fire in that emoji is the absolute fire coolness of the case

[little osprey]

ok

i spent like a minute trying to figure that sentence out

anyways is the 6700xt worth the $80 bump over the 3060 ti or the $20 cut from the 3070?

i can fit all of them in my budget if i screw around with it enough

[pale dust]

3060 ti better

or just get the fe

but good luck getting it

[little osprey]

time to get scalped

[vagrant olive]

nah 6700 xt is kind of a weird price point since its closer performance to a 3060 ti

but with that price bump

plus if you care at all about rtx or dlss then ur gonna want an nvidia card anyways

[pale dust]

i have an xc3 ultra 3070

only took me

4 months to get one at msrp

;-;

[vagrant olive]

gj

i got insanely lucky

[little osprey]

gonna upscale to 1440p on minecraft when native 1440 will still max out the monitor let's gooooo

[vagrant olive]

about 2 weeks into my hunt i got a zotac 3060

[pale dust]

i kinda stopped trying from january to february

for how much?

i actively avoided zotacs for the poor pricing to perf

[vagrant olive]

550, was 480 before taxes/shipping. its pretty rough but it does amazingly in my games

[pale dust]

hmm

[vagrant olive]

and doesnt get too hot

[pale dust]

i got a 3070 for 70 more

zotac pricing is doodoo

the 3070 dual is like 719

[vagrant olive]

yeah evga is gold

[pale dust]

insane

evga is really nice in that regard

especially because its a big boi

like beefy cooler

[vagrant olive]

but i mean in this market you get what you can yknow

[pale dust]

frr

[little osprey]

how do you queue for evga

[pale dust]

i got mine off bestbuy

queue is crap

[little osprey]

then how do

ok

then how am i supposed to get a card for close to msrp then

[vagrant olive]

i use falcodrins server/stream to get alerts for stuff

[pale dust]

bestbuy @little osprey

[little osprey]

time to get beaten out buy people who can click faster than me

hell yea

[vagrant olive]

yeah bestbuy is just pure luck of whether or not queue lets you through

i was so close to getting a 3070 fe but it pulled a quick one on me in checkout by saying no pickup within 250 miles and no shipping

[little osprey]

soooo

what am i gon do

if i have to wait till 2023 to get a gpu

i will lose it

[vagrant olive]

well like i said falcodrins server and stream is pretty good for alerts

but if you arent able to be at your computer a lot to receive alerts and stuff then its gonna be super hard

also if you live near a microcenter then you may be able to get one if you go super early in the morning

[little osprey]

3 hours away go brrrr

wake up at 2am go hahahaaaa

[vagrant olive]

lol

2 am is when some people arrive there

[little osprey]

no sleep gaming

just for the 3080

goddamn ok

[vagrant olive]

just go to whatever city its in and get a hotel room, then go there at midnight and wait ez

[humble rivet]

[little osprey]

[storm goblet]

...

[fossil cedar]

@storm goblet so what do you want to do with your pc and what budget?

[storm goblet]

well looking around 550, just moderate gaming and binging

[fossil cedar]

Right well while the 3400g is a decent apu it's quite overpriced

[storm goblet]

i got an antec nx400 case

[fossil cedar]

Okay

You have any other parts already?

[storm goblet]

unfortunately no

[fossil cedar]

Also what do you consider moderate gaming? Like what types of games?

[storm goblet]

maybe either cod, or overwatch, stuff not so big but not so small

maybe just a few other low demanding games

[fossil cedar]

Hmm i see

Idk how well the 3400g will be able to handle them

[storm goblet]

honestly im down to try either intel or amd

just trying to avoid gpu due to the fact shortage rose the prices

[fossil cedar]

Also the 3400g being that price is ew as it's way more than it's worth

[fossil cedar]

Yeah, i mean the 3400g has the best integrated gpu atm and even still it's not gonna be anywhere near as good as a 150$ used gpu off of ebay or something but that's kinda hard to find so very understandable, lemme see what i can do

[storm goblet]

ok thank you

[fossil cedar]

Okay sorry for delay but https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rBX82V

[storm goblet]

oh its fine

[fossil cedar]

The graphics might be slightly worse but the 3400g is 2x it's original pricing just doesn't seem right paying that much

[storm goblet]

meaning ill be able to use 1080p right

[fossil cedar]

You can also swap the cooler for a vetroo v5 or an id cooling se 224xt if you want

[storm goblet]

oh alr

[fossil cedar]

Probs 1080p 45-60fps i guess depending on game

[storm goblet]

ig thats pretty good

[fossil cedar]

But 3400g would probs be about the same

[storm goblet]

so then its a win with the i5

well ty

[fossil cedar]

Np

I mean it will do until you can afford a gpu anyway

[storm goblet]

yeah, ill use it til shortage is out

[fossil cedar]

Cool

[storm goblet]

ty

[inland linden]

what is the best budget mother board for gaming and streaming

looking to build my first pc and i want to make sure i do it right

[stoic island]

..?

@inland linden what's the total budget

[inland linden]

1800

CA

@stoic island

[stoic island]

@inland linden try smth like this, the main thing is the GPU, not a lot of stock anywhere, 800cad is just an estimate of what you can get it at, if it's too expensive, try 3060ti.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fh4zLP

[stoic island]

wack

[inland linden]

bad

?

[stoic island]

CPU is 3 years old

motherboard same issue

crappi GPU

and paying a bit too much on other bits

[fossil cedar]

Ram is overpriced

[inland linden]

ok thanks i dont know much so that is really helpfull

[stoic island]

Sure 9700k might have more cores, but 11400 is newer and with HT
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-9700K-vs-Intel-i5-11400F/3335vs4226

So, I'd take 11400 over 9700k

and the 11400 is cheaper

[inland linden]

HT?

[stoic island]

anyways, look at the ca.pcpartpicker.com list I gave you

hyperthreading

Intel calls it SMT or whatever

[inland linden]

ok i will replace my list with yours

[stoic island]

just take care with the GPU in my list

GPU situation is very wacky

but any 30xx GPU will slap a 1050ti

and 11400 has an iGPU you could theoretically use for a while until you find a decent GPU

r/hws will likely be your friend

for comparing random GPUs, good utility:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php

[wicked frigate]

Hey guys what’s up with intel

Like the new gen

Haven’t been able to track there benchmarks

5900x are in stock for MSRP

[inland linden]

@stoic island does the case play a major role?

[fossil cedar]

Yes and no, you want as much airflow as possible which will keep your temps lower though

[wicked frigate]

@fossil cedar

5900x is still the gaming king right

Idk about the new gen

[inland linden]

i like the cases with a glass display what do you recommend

[fossil cedar]

Yes

[fossil cedar]

A corsair 4000d airlfow

Although the one mr1111 put has a glass panel

[inland linden]

ok thanks everyone appreciate y'all for putting up with my noobie questions

[valid basalt]

Well, I thought I'd locked into a decent sub 300 dollar board in the x570 taichi or strix now I'm second guessing again cuz weirdly the former may not work with the ram on its way -_-;; wonder how the heck a board can work with 3200 or 4000 ram but not 3600?

Although maybe basing my mobo off ram I won in a giveaway that I haven't even received yet is a dumb idea

[fossil cedar]

It can dw, also what cpu are you using and why would you go x570 instead of b550?

[signal scarab]

Does anybody know any scalpers in ontario canada

[fossil cedar]

✨ebay✨

[wicked frigate]

Guys what’s a really good gpu for now

Like not that expensive

Cause I’ll will wait till the 39 series come In Stock

30

[worn wave]

None

[stoic island]

If it supports 4000, it should support 3600

[fossil cedar]

What's your definition of not that expensive? Also anything you will buy that's not 3000 or rx 6000 will have to be used from ebay or something

[valid basalt]

I know it won't make much difference but I want thje extra PCI lanes, and the price doesn't strike me as that much difference.

[valid basalt]

Yeah I'm just confused crucial doesn't seem to think so.

[muted patio]

That makes no sense lol

Both of those boards support 3600

Strix and Taichi

[valid basalt]

Yeah I think crucial didn't bother to test it or something

seems like whatever board I look at, someone praises and someone craps on, only "ultimate" boards are like 500-1000

only other issue with the taichi is apperantly the vrm fan curve is odd and may get loud

[muted patio]

X570 is honestly overkill tho but yeah, it'll work

If you're worried about VRM, B550 did better in that department. X570 was a learning curve

[valid basalt]

Main thing, and I admit I'm not clear on this, I want the vid card and two m.2's to be max possible speed. My understanding is b550's will have 2 of the three but one slower m.2. I understand in practice I likely won't even notice. But I'm kinda future proofing a tad.

[scenic turret]

X570 for gen 4 speeds both m.2s then

That's literally one of two differences between B550/X570

[muted patio]

You won't notice the difference between gen 3 and 4 drives TBH

Only your wallet will

XD

[scenic turret]

^^that too

Unless you get Sabrents which are decently priced

[muted patio]

Even then you won't

[worn wave]

Depends on application

[muted patio]

Sequential reads and writes are real world performance, most Gen 4 drives have the same as Gen 3. Actually needing a Gen 4 drive is a rather niche case

[scenic turret]

I want that 2 sec start up

[little osprey]

oh my god i just realized how TINY itx is holy

[valid basalt]

it's more of a 2 years from now thing.

[scenic turret]

Look into 8L SFF

Even smaller

[muted patio]

Even 2 years from now it won't matter much

You'll still have the same CPU, etc to process that data. Loading times, etc, will still rely on other components that won't be upgraded

[little osprey]

you might as well use htpc at that point

[muted patio]

AM4 is end of life, next generation CPU's have a different socket

[scenic turret]

I wonder if they're going straight to AM5 or AM4+

[muted patio]

AM5

DDR5

[scenic turret]

Yea that's what I thought, there's been mixed rumors

[muted patio]

Well, AMD themselves said AM5 so I'm running with that

[lunar plover]

guys is this enough thermal paste i'm kinda worried i didn't put enough

[valid basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/more-star-wars-kylo-ren-gif-15168091

[frank vapor]

idk, i think you need a bit more

[earnest olive]

until you can't get into bios because system boots too quickly

[scenic turret]

Oh lol

[muted patio]

That is actually a thing

XD

[valid basalt]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xTrFLP anything you'd change?

[scenic turret]

Currently at 3.8s, I can deal with it

Or something near that, haven't timed it correctly

[valid basalt]

technically at this point I've ordered everything but the cooler and mobo

[muted patio]

You already ordered that NVME?

Writes on that thing are sooooo slow

[valid basalt]

it's a reused part, and I'm not sure I chose the right one. I'll be buying another, any suggestions?

[muted patio]

SN550

usually pretty cheap

and much better than that one

[valid basalt]

basically I bought a cheap add in card for m.2 off wish and plugged the cheapest m.2 in it... still loads faster than any other drive in my system.

I was planning to keep apps/os on it, but get another for games/cache

the hitachi is also a re-used, obv for the steam library/projects

hmm that m.2 is cheap straight from wd

[lunar plover]

yeah that's what i thought too

[frank vapor]

mhm

bro i just found a 1070 ti for 210

[muted patio]

lol

[wicked frigate]

Guys what is 5950x softly used for

Mostly

[earnest olive]

my boot time is like 11 seconds

fine by me

fluctuates between 10-11

[worn wave]

5950x is more of a workstation CPU

For people who need many fast cores but do not want to pay for HEDT

Or for people who don't need all of the PCIe lanes

[valid basalt]

yeah, I'd take a 5950 for some of my dev work but it'd be overkill 95% of the time

partly why I stepped down to the 5900x which is still probably overkill

some production software is better about using all the cores, and having sooooo maaaaany is nice. But arguably few cores with higher mhz is better most the time

[wicked frigate]

@worn wave what do he man by pcie lanes

[valid basalt]

hardware and whatnot gets accessed by pcie lanes, more lanes, more+faster access... an oversimplifcation...

[lunar plover]

in every cpu there's a limited amount of pcie lanes that the mobo can use, pcie gen 4 ssds take up 4 lanes and 16x slots take up 16 lanes, etc etc

[wicked frigate]

I M using this pc for gaming

So I would get 5900x

And I think it has 3 pcie lanes right

[lunar plover]

nah, you'd be just fine with a 5800x or 5600x even

[wicked frigate]

Ok

So would 2 sn850 be fine

[muted patio]

Waste of money

Gen 4 drives are a waste unless you need them, 99% of people don't

[lunar plover]

yes, iirc the 5000 series has 24 pcie lanes

[wicked frigate]

Ohhhhhh

Ok

Thx guys

[muted patio]

just get Gen 3 drives unless you're doing rendering or something

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[midnight vigil]

j

[lunar plover]

i just wanna get a 5600x but can't find any in stooock dude

[scenic turret]

5600x/5800x stocks are normalizing

Should restock soon

[valid basalt]

my mc has like 25+ :\

[scenic turret]

5900/5950x are much harder to get

[frank vapor]

is there a way to know when 30 series graphics cards restock

[valid basalt]

I had to punch 4 people for my 5900x

[scenic turret]

Stock servers or some websites have alert systems

[frank vapor]

thank you

[valid basalt]

you can get on a waiting list with shopblt.com but it'll take fooooorever

[lunar plover]

right, now i just need to find a 3070 at a reasonable price and my build should be fine

[frank vapor]

i just want a 2060, 1080, or a 30 series

[fervent flame]

Whats the best intel chip to pair with the 3080 without breaking the bank?

[muted patio]

11500/11600

[fervent flame]

i5 would be fine with 3080?

[muted patio]

You're not doing 1080p yeah?

[pale dust]

my bios time is 6.7

[valid basalt]

hmm, Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite AM4 ATX AMD Motherboard how does one feel about this board... I could save 150 😮

[pale dust]

that is a good motherboard

do you already have it?

[valid basalt]

no, trying to decide what to get for my 5900x

[pale dust]

oh

im not sure what would be good for a 5900x

[valid basalt]

?

[lunar plover]

do you guys think a h100i rgb pro could cool the 5800x

and at what temps

[livid canopy]

i got a x570 tomahawk for my 5900x just some input

[muted patio]

Just get an Arctic Freezer 240mm

or EK 240mm for RGB

[livid canopy]

i like the bios navigatio of the msi/asus options vs gig, i got a b550i pro ax as well

[lunar plover]

i hate the look of the waterblock though

[muted patio]

Corsairs AIO's are meh cooling performance

[balmy patio]

ek-aio basic does exist

[livid canopy]

depends on your chassis i guess if your using a prior build in that regard too

[fervent flame]

Yea the plan is 1080p, possibly 2k in the future

[muted patio]

A 308 0for 1080p?

CPU will be your slow point for high FPS then

:/

[livid canopy]

i got the arctic 280mm from newegg IMO 1 plug solution, and im runnig p14s push pull

i dont like running i cue, razer, or cam period

and gigabyte rgb suite is pretty sus

[lunar plover]

ive heard cam sucks but ive never used it

[muted patio]

NZXT cam is terrible

[livid canopy]

rgb fuzio

[muted patio]

I'm guessing you want high FPS Esports type gaming yeah?

[fervent flame]

I was thinking i7 range, i just dont want to spend $450+ on some state of the art i9

[lunar plover]

wondering if i should get the 3080 and upgrade to 4k down the line

[muted patio]

You're going for high FPS esports gaming yeah?

[fervent flame]

Yes thats the goal

[livid canopy]

its ironic how amd uses 130w tdp in warzone per ex across 12-16c. Yields equitable fps...but then you got intel at 200+w and the need for a 850w psu+ with quality 12v rails

[muted patio]

You'll need a beefy CPU then, high FPS 1080p leans on CPU more than GPU

[fervent flame]

Alright so what would you recommend for high fps gaming 1080p for now, mid range for 2k in future?

[livid canopy]

more or less, an important aspect is.....how long can you get out of a 5+ghz 6c intel on z490 or z590. B4 you play "other games" in general games outside of fps twitch shooters in a vast game library....

[pale dust]

i think a 3080 at 1440p will be high fps too no

like for more esports titles

[muted patio]

5800x/5900x/3060TI/3070

[livid canopy]

bc the OC 6c intels also use the most wattage per core period

[muted patio]

Doesn't mean you need an 850W PSU to feed them

[livid canopy]

so if youre using a previously used psu with a 3080 and are jumping to a 10th+gen intel....IJS the degredation aspects of 12v rails

pending psu quality

[muted patio]

Not necessarily

[fervent flame]

I mean CPU wise

[muted patio]

5800x/5900x for the single core IPC

Unless you already have an Intel board and need an Intel CPU

[livid canopy]

like 5900x and my 3070 strix has my psu at lower temp/efficiency just bc i got a size larger than i needed granted at more cost...its a "long run" aspect for upgrading to a bigger gpu or etc if it looses 50-100w on 12v over 5 years

perhaps intel lga 1700 or am5

but 11400f has velocity boost for some nice value proposition builds

[fervent flame]

I don’t yet, just gauging my options at the moment.

[muted patio]

For high FPS 1080p gaming, I'd recommend AMD over Intel for IPC and performance

Since it leans on CPU rather than GPU

If it was 1440p or 4K, it wouldn't be an issue.

[cloud bloom]

Considering some cards on the market and came across "blower" style gpus. Curious design. Would any of you folks consider this viable? reliable? RTX 2080 btw

[livid canopy]

it depends on the specific games fps wise like cs:go certain others still heavily favor intel and with a z series mobo the 11400f still hits 5ghz+ on single-2c. for its price point amd cannot come close at 160$

[muted patio]

Not for hte current pricing

[livid canopy]

and it leads to more budget for gpu bearing all other components are the same ram/ssd psu etc

or even a nicer monitor

[cloud bloom]

It'd be a used. Dude's selling it for $900 negotiable. I just want a build

[muted patio]

No

[livid canopy]

GASP

[muted patio]

Way too much

[cloud bloom]

Yeah? Thought so too

What choice is there tho? Raffle for a chance? How viable is that

[livid canopy]

only blowers that work these days are the new big navi cards

the 2080 fe barely worked as is

[cloud bloom]

Yeah it was new(er) wasn't it?

[muted patio]

Or a best buy drop

[cloud bloom]

How would I even find myself in that golden opportunity?

[muted patio]

Stop thinking of money in terms of money, think of it as hours of your life. How many hours are you overpaying for that GPU?

[cloud bloom]

Fair point

[livid canopy]

its true i mean i have the money but i wont over pay

[cloud bloom]

^

[muted patio]

Yup

Your time is worth more than overpaying for hardware

[livid canopy]

ironically once things settle next gen will be soon to launch

with equally met scarcity

and 3000 will be discontinued

hopefully by then the rdna2 onboard apus can manage 300+fps in cs:go at 720p

[cloud bloom]

Is there secret access to finding out when these drops will happen/occur? In the market for an MSRP GPU 😂

[stoic island]

Just saying, 2080 is worth like 500-600 normally, 700$ if you're desperate and a good model :p

[livid canopy]

sum miner/buyer/buying discord

[muted patio]

New MSRP is new MSRP

Old MSRP is invalid

[stoic island]

@cloud bloom generally, Tuesday, Thursday, or Friday for best buy drops

[livid canopy]

i wont cross myself with the like

[cloud bloom]

I should say for 3000 series too

[stoic island]

Yes

[muted patio]

newegg SHuffle is happening today

in about 45 minutes

[cloud bloom]

oh?

[stoic island]

BB drops are either Tuesday, Thursday, or Friday

Never been on Monday or Wednesday

[livid canopy]

at like 6am?

[stoic island]

(referring to FE ampere GPUs)

[livid canopy]

or random/itermittant

[stoic island]

Generally mid-day

[cloud bloom]

EST?

[stoic island]

I've seen them at like noon, 1pm, 3pm

Yes

But can vary

[livid canopy]

they dont offer warranties though on GPU huh

[muted patio]

8-10 AM PST generally

[muted patio]

wat

[stoic island]

There's no set day or time, that's why stock watching discords are nice

Also yes they do

[livid canopy]

weird my 3070 fe had no option during purchase or post

prob bc it was ref

[stoic island]

@livid canopy specific warranty info per company
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kfLWcuVdauptOIAgHc2THuDj2-gvQQLipNmCCx1FaNI/htmlview#gid=0

Oh FE has like 5 year iirc

Lemme find it

[muted patio]

Warranty is through nVidia

[stoic island]

And yea

It's through the manufacturer

[livid canopy]

i guess i bought a 2 year whoopsie plan for mine at MC or my 2nd

[stoic island]

Not the seller (Nvidia does warranty, not best buy or micro center)

[livid canopy]

traded the BB one anyhow

[muted patio]

Never buy third party warranties

[livid canopy]

MC offers it bc if i claim it they can re-sell as refurb

[muted patio]

They're garbage

[livid canopy]

usually you can go "i got a whoopsie plan" and oh woopsie its discontinued and get purchase power back

like 5700xt strix owners that never learned how to disable 0 rpm mode

[pale dust]

evga warranty is actually so good

[livid canopy]

since day 1

i miss xfx nvidia cards 😢

[pale dust]

lmao

[rich helm]

I believe there has been a drop on both of those days

Monday maybe twice and Wednesday only once

[livid canopy]

now that the msrp/embargo is raised do you still think its worth buying a 3080 at its current price point

should i wait for the next-er gen for 4k 60+ gaming

[stoic island]

@rich helm stockdrops has a record afaik

And I looked at it a few days ago

[livid canopy]

considering i got a 3070 FE at msrp, and a 3070 Strix for 650

[rich helm]

I’ve tried posting it once but duplicated text

[livid canopy]

id almost have to sell both just to afford a 3080 ti

[rich helm]

3070 strix is 770 I believe

[muted patio]

Not worth it if you already have 3070

[livid canopy]

y i got both at msrp in nov

oct

bt now that the embargo is in place as well as raised msrp its so QQ

i had always planned to trade up to one+cash ofc bt its like double the price of a 3070

[rich helm]

@stoic island Wednesday drop not Monday

[livid canopy]

plus i dont own a cx tv....buying a 4k gpu means nvidia and cx tv

[cloud bloom]

Where's the future drop timeline ? :p

[stoic island]

Fun

@cloud bloom they do drops when they get stock and we can't exactly predict that

[rich helm]

Now it’s just Thursday Friday tho

[cloud bloom]

I figured as much

btw don't see a countdown for the newegg shuffle

[livid canopy]

yall expect the next nvidia flagship to be a samsung chip LUL

[muted patio]

Not time yet

[rich helm]

Wait 5 minutes

[cloud bloom]

do the BB drops show availability online? or a certain time of day?

TY all for the pro tips btw

[rich helm]

Bb drop usually around 9 am pst

As you can see from the past drop

[cloud bloom]

oh wow so I already missed it

ah true

[rich helm]

There was not one today

Probably next week for drop

[cloud bloom]

Cool

[rich helm]

On Thursday or Friday

[cloud bloom]

newegg shuffle countdown up - thanks all

[potent portal]

Whoa that's trippy, the exact tuf 3060 model I saw at a local shop yesterday is on the shuffle
That thing has such an overbuilt cooler for a midrange model lol

[sick arch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GbPZ7X This is my build- is there an equally as good RAM I could use that would save me money (RGB doesn’t matter) and same with the SSD card.

[muted patio]

Mushkin Pilot E

for NVME

and this ram https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K16G32C16U4B/dp/B083TSLDF2/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=ddr4+3200+32gb&qid=1619197348&sr=8-3

[sick arch]

Thanks. Someone else actually recommended that Pilot E is that as good as the one I have now?

[muted patio]

Yes

@jade forge which Ryzen 7

[jade forge]

@muted patio 3700x

[muted patio]

3700x combo then

B460 MB limits ram speeds

for the 10600K, makes it bad

[jade forge]

@muted patio to be fair I’m not over clocking any of them hence why we went cheapest but im glad you said my pc my moms is going to be the 10600 and just lots of chrome use

[muted patio]

Yeah, B460 limits ram speeds, snag a B560 if you can

[cloud bloom]

Lol

[little osprey]

i think revolution d.f. is cheaper

should perform more or less the same

also case?

[sick arch]

Just looked at casing. Thinking abt Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB ATX Mid tower case

[muted patio]

4000D airflow, the X has a glass front

[earnest olive]

the X means X to buying

[robust lake]

The x is still fine , there is only 3-4c different between them so if you dont realy care about 3-4c and you want glass front its fine

[jade forge]

@muted patio my mom is getting my pny xlr8 2600 ram so motherboard fits criteria and I upgraded to tuff gaming tforce 3000 ram for my ryzens system

Now I just need upgrade graphics card from this old 460:(

[muted patio]

For the 3700x? That's awfully slow

[potent portal]

Radeon RX 460 or Nvidia GTX 460?

[jade forge]

@potent portal gtx 460

@muted patio only game I have is la noir since graphics card is old

[muted patio]

Still slow ram for the 3700x, should be around 3600 mhz.

[potent portal]

3200 minimum I'd say, but with a gtx 460 it won't matter much. You'll want to get better memory ASAP though.

[jade forge]

im looking for a decent priced dual hdmi graphics card i dont need anything more then a 2080 ram is later

[muted patio]

2060/70/80 have all been discontinued, used is the only choice and those are overpriced

Better off going for a new 3060 or something

[jade forge]

once the shortage is over we will see what the prices are but im only playing la noir as of now my 460 would be fine but my friend is possibly going to buy it

i am not trying to argue im honestly trying to see what benefit would i get from upgrading both ram and graphics card to max spec for a system just playing la noir and surfing internet and ripping my dvds to my plex server

[manic forge]

I left the pc building/gaming world for like 10 years, end of 2020 was not the best time to decide to come back 😛

[potent portal]

3600 is far from the max for Ryzen, it's more of an "ideal" point

[muted patio]

it's not fro playing La Noir now, it's for playing better things later lol

Just like your GPU

[potent portal]

Depending on what program you're using ripping DVDs could even be faster with faster memory/gpu

[jade forge]

makemkv and dvdfab at the same time

[potent portal]

Those would certainly benefit from fast memory

And if I'm not mistaken makemkv has GPU acceleration options

[jade forge]

well i guess ill see what difference i get from 2600 to 3000 for now and hopefully part shortage will get better what ram exactly do you recommend and are you sure myx570 can handle it i got mixed answers when intially building my system

[muted patio]

Your X570 will hand 4000+ mhz ram

[potent portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IY_KlkQK1Q

There's extremely noticeable differences even going from 3200 to 3600

[jade forge]

@potent portal you think ill notice a difference from 2600 to 3000

to be fair my intial system was a pentium g620 so everything is already way better

[potent portal]

Yes, that means the Infinity Fabric (which is directly related to CPU performance) is going from 1300 to 1500 MHz, a 10% performance difference is possible there

[jade forge]

its a start then and when this crazy parts market balnces maybe then i can go with those trident z or something i am bad at cable mangement so switching everything to tuff gaming helps appearence a little better hahahaha

[muted patio]

Don't need Trident Z

Ballistix will do just fine

[potent portal]

Yeah it's not something that will make much difference until you upgrade later anyway, but video conversion times will be helped with faster memory so keep that in mind. 2600 memory will keep that processor from nearing its potential.

[jade forge]

@potent portal that pny xlr8 is going to my moms 10600k i upgraded to tforce tuff 3000

[potent portal]

Looks like you'd benefit from a better case too, that would seriously help make cable management easier

[jade forge]

not many good cases with 5.25 bay anymore the lian li case does help keep things cool always cold to the touch good ol brushed aluminum

just wish they didnt use clip in motherboard stand offs since no one sells replacements

[potent portal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHmxFT/fractal-design-focus-g-black-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-bk-w

If you're looking for cheap

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y8h9TW/phanteks-case-phes614pwt

More features

[balmy patio]

there's the mx330g-air as well for cheap

[muted patio]

Also Metallic Gear, made by Phanteks but cheap

[potent portal]

Does the metallic gear have a 5.25 bay though?

[balmy patio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air

[muted patio]

Doesnt look like Metallic Gear has 5.25 drive bays

[jade forge]

props to you all for not being angry over me keeping disc drive i have gotten a lot of slack for that

[potent portal]

That's a totally valid need, even today. Some people are just stubborn.

[jade forge]

only thing yall said that im really not sure of is top of the line graphics card that would really hurt financially i would need to also upgrade my 750 watt power supply but its also not a good time to buy so i need to wait for market to return antways :/

they say what 1000 watt minimum for a 3000 series card

[muted patio]

who says that

Cuz it's crap

750W will do 3070 EZPZ

Maybe even 3080 depending on the brand and model

[jade forge]

i belive i saw it on a linus tech tips video but i could be wrong

[potent portal]

A 3060 would be perfectly happy on a 650W

[muted patio]

I think something was misunderstood

[muted patio]

3060 could get away with 550W TBH

3060TI needs a bit more

[potent portal]

If you're referring to when they were talking about the super high transient power spikes, driver updates have helped with that

[marble seal]

850w is handling my 3090 just fine, so i'd imagine 750 could handle most other 30 series cards. definitely don't need 1000

[jade forge]

anyone able to verify i can display to 2 hdmi ports on the 3070?

[potent portal]

Yes. My 3060 has 2 hdmi and 3 displayport even. Double check each model though, sometimes they change it.

[muted patio]

No but get a Displayport to HDMI cable

3070's have only 1 HDMI for the most part

and 4 DP

Or 3 DP

But HDMI to DP cable is like, $10

So don't worry about HDMI ports at all for the most part

[potent portal]

Official 3070 spec

[muted patio]

Interesting, most, if not all, of the ones I've seen only have 1

[potent portal]

Like I said, each vendor is totally able to change it

[muted patio]

yeah, the FE might have that

given 12 pin power connector

[jade forge]

yall would really hate to hear this but in case you havnt noticed a lot of my setup is free hand me downs the case the graphics card so my monitors are an amazing 42inch smart tv (1080p comparted to my old 720 20 inch mind is blown) and a 32 inch tv all free

[muted patio]

Still, conversion cables are cheap

[potent portal]

Yeah, especially if it's just digital-digital like dp-hdmi

[jade forge]

if i can convert 1 dp to hdmi to display my 2 monitor setup then i will wait for market to stabalize how much is a 3070 suppose to cost before scalpers jacked price?

[muted patio]

Scalpers didn't jack price, tariffs, AKA taxes, did

25%

[potent portal]

Here's the modified spec of my 3060 model

I still find it hilarious that they tried to put the 12 pin adapter on such a low power card

[jade forge]

so what is the price suppose to be? and it should come with a coverter from 6 pin to 8 pin? the 460 uses 2 6 pins

[muted patio]

Yo udon't want to use converter cables like that. For example, 6 pin is good for 125 watts while 8 pin is good for 200

Converting a lower capacity connector to a higher capacity one can lead to issues

[jade forge]

ill have to check my box for power supply later then corsair hopefully considered that

[muted patio]

Im' sure they did

Most 6 pin cables have the two extra pins already on them

just tucked out of the way

[potent portal]

Most everything includes at least one 8 pin these days

[jade forge]

i guess im stuck waiting for the 3070 or 3060 to sell for a proper price

then maybe ram and or case these darn disc drive cables hahahaha

[muted patio]

Gonna be waiting an extremely long time

[robust lake]

You can get a 3070 for 600

[jade forge]

hey sorry if im bothering yall but will my 460 be enough for my friend to run flight simulator 2020, gta v, and minecraft?

[earnest olive]

fs 2020 no

gta v should be fine

[muted patio]

Mmmm, no

Well, the other two yes

[earnest olive]

minecraft maybe not

[muted patio]

FS 2020 no yeah

[earnest olive]

it's a radeon card

[jade forge]

msi gtx 460

[earnest olive]

oh