building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

no

me new to pcs

[desert gulch]

not like that old tho

like last 6 months

400 used to be like 19.99

[earnest olive]

1 year

[red laurel]

so I should get a 10400?

[desert gulch]

ur custom status is kinda lying ngl

[earnest olive]

can you afford the 10400

[desert gulch]

id like to see what pakotav has to say

[earnest olive]

if the 10400 fits in your budget then no reason not to

[desert gulch]

u arent jack of cable management

[earnest olive]

6c is a nice bump over 4c

[desert gulch]

u jack up cable management

my cable management makes my setup look sooooooooo clean ngl

just tuck everything behind desk

since my desk has a back and stuff

[dense sparrow]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tx3Bp2

good ? for future build, it will be about gaming, recording , editing and photoshopping.
ping me when reply

[desert gulch]

no need for d15

also barracuda has higher failure rates than id like to see

[earnest olive]

having an overkill cooler can be good for recording

low noise

[dense sparrow]

why?

[desert gulch]

ig

[earnest olive]

5600x vs 3700x depends on whether you value gaming more or productivity more

both are competent at both

[dense sparrow]

what u change?

[desert gulch]

cpu

[earnest olive]

5600x has a decent edge in gaming, 3700x has a decent edge in productivity

[desert gulch]

3700x to 5600x

less cores but faster perf in gaming

[earnest olive]

nothing is wrong with his psu selection imo

[dense sparrow]

its a little high price

[earnest olive]

you really telling him to spend $200 on a psu for a ryzen + 3060ti?

the psu he chose is perfectly fine

[dense sparrow]

thought seagate is tho

[desert gulch]

revo df is prolly even cheaper

even for a 850watt

[desert gulch]

barracuda bad failure rates

western digital much better

[earnest olive]

D. F 850W is almost $300 in the UK

[dense sparrow]

really?

[earnest olive]

so... no

[desert gulch]

yup

[dense sparrow]

i see lots of ppl has it

[desert gulch]

DAMN thats insane lol

[desert gulch]

doesnt mean its good

failure rates updated every quarter

[dense sparrow]

means it popular tho

[earnest olive]

@dense sparrow do you value gaming more or productivity more

[desert gulch]

and how does that mean its good?

[dense sparrow]

ok but how u know? just asking

[dense sparrow]

idk lol

[desert gulch]

testing

failure rates updated quarterly

[dense sparrow]

maybe productivity

idk

[earnest olive]

5600x is like 10-15% better than 3700x in gaming and 3700x is like 15% better than 5600x in productivity

if you value productivity more get 3700x over 5600x

it is still a good gaming cpu

not like it won't work for games

[dense sparrow]

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor

[dense sparrow]

this?

[earnest olive]

yeah the one in your initial list

[dense sparrow]

oh yea then its fine, i alr have that in the list

ye

[earnest olive]

yeah your initial list is actually quite good

[dense sparrow]

yea so i dont need to change anything?

its good or change smth>

?*

[earnest olive]

i feel like the seagate hdd failure rate is overblown for regular consumers

[desert gulch]

still wd better

[dense sparrow]

hmm sure but idk why i feel like seagate is really good

[desert gulch]

and rates are updated quarterly

so its not like old testing

[earnest olive]

wd blue is 5400rpm

and that's data center testing with insane write volume

the cheapest drive that meets the specs of the barracuda compute is almost triple the price

from WD that is

[dense sparrow]

ok ill get WD

whats the diff

[earnest olive]

wd blue is more expensive and slower

[inland parrot]

Is there a way to repalce the JUSB3 USB connector pins without buying a new motherbaord

[earnest olive]

could be more reliable.. for regular consumer i don't think there is a meaningful difference

did you break the pins off or something?

[inland parrot]

Yes

[earnest olive]

you'd probably have to send it in for rma

[desert gulch]

ye

[earnest olive]

i don't think you should try attaching new pins to a pcb

shattered?

[desert gulch]

like casing?

oh disk?

[earnest olive]

you can overclock 20 year old hard drives to 23000 rpm without them shattering

i have a hard time believing that's not user error

[desert gulch]

it just imploded?

[dense sparrow]

theres 2 same

name

[desert gulch]

120 volt to hdd time

[earnest olive]

that is the difference

[inland parrot]

But i also bought another motherbaord tho to replace it

[dense sparrow]

ok so i get 256mb?

[desert gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_sK-R3ZgRw

[earnest olive]

...you bought a new motherboard to harvest the pins?

[desert gulch]

im assuming you saw that vid?

[earnest olive]

yeah

i was scared for the guy recording lol

[desert gulch]

lol

[earnest olive]

hearing that thing spin up

[inland parrot]

Yes

[desert gulch]

bruh

not worth

rma dead board

[earnest olive]

seriously? you bought a new motherboard just to harvest pins off it and attempt to solder it to your current motherboard?

just buy a pcie to usb hub if you need 2 more ports that badly

sheesh

[inland parrot]

Oh

[desert gulch]

lol, they bought a working motherboard to kill it and hopefully fix the other

[earnest olive]

yeah idk what that kind of logic is

this costs 1/3 of a bottom tier motherboard and there's zero risk

[desert gulch]

am i your friend or no?

[inland parrot]

Well i am new to dis pc building so, didnt know

[earnest olive]

wait

let me get this straight

you are new to pc building but think you can solder pins to microscopic pcb traces that go multiple layers deep

O_O

i own a pc building business and i wouldn't try to do that

[desert gulch]

*facebook account

but ok

[earnest olive]

look up a sole proprietorship

[desert gulch]

lmao

[earnest olive]

the barrier of entry to call yourself a business is low

[dense sparrow]

@earnest olive

[earnest olive]

i made 30k last year selling pcs that's a business as far as i'm concerned

and i only started in may

[desert gulch]

i own the business of Sawcon 2022

[earnest olive]

i can make it whatever i want lmao

[desert gulch]

like pure profit or before hardware costs?

[earnest olive]

revenue

[dense sparrow]

bruuh wha- 30k?!

[earnest olive]

i don't have a website

i just pay for facebook ads

[desert gulch]

he facebooks

ye

[earnest olive]

i'm also not currently listing due to gpu shortage

so nothing to find

[inland parrot]

@earnest olive cant i just replace the port it self on the motherbaord instead of the pins

[earnest olive]

i'd honestly just get the seagate one, data center failure rates are overblown for normal users

many many thousands of users running them without issues

[desert gulch]

whats ur bookface account?

[dense sparrow]

uh? u just said WD

[earnest olive]

what

the others were saying WD

[fossil cedar]

The 10100 they listed was 150

[earnest olive]

the cheapest WD drive that matches the specs of seagate barracuda compute is triple the price

[dense sparrow]

soo who do i listen to? @earnest olive

[earnest olive]

your decision

[dense sparrow]

idek

[frank stirrup]

You can try, end up reaking other parts of the board and then being big sad. because thats whats gonna happen

[dense sparrow]

now

[desert gulch]

lets have a vote.. ✅ for WD, ☑️ for Barracuda

[frank stirrup]

Barracuda better tbh

or rather not worse

[earnest olive]

i wouldn't pay more money for a slower drive just because the faster drive is 0.5% more likely to fail in 10 years

[dense sparrow]

hmm idek

bruh

:/

[earnest olive]

7200 rpm 256mb cache for 43 gbp vs. 5400 rpm 64mb cache for 49 gbp

[round stream]

yall wana see my specs rn

[frank stirrup]

I have 4 barracuda hdds in my pc, one is over 10 yrs old and all are running very well

[round stream]

YESSIR

[desert gulch]

ur lucky

[dense sparrow]

sure??

[earnest olive]

yeah ive put barracuda in customer builds got no complaints

[dense sparrow]

k

[muted patio]

ALso CMR vs SMR and other things

[earnest olive]

the 64mb cache vs 256mb cache is going to be a bigger issue

and yes

he is going to be doing sustained reads/writes

[dense sparrow]

ill just leave barracuda in my list, not changing to WD

[earnest olive]

video editing is like the #1 for sustained reads/writes lol

[frank stirrup]

I also had a 80 GB barracuda from the early 2000s and it still worked... ran out of drive bays tho so took it out to remove platter because fun

early as in 2005 or so

[dense sparrow]

ah ok then ill have the barracuda, not WD

[frank stirrup]

so mid not early

[earnest olive]

man i took out a seagate 2.5" hdd from a 21 year old laptop that had been dead for the past 12 years

bugger powered right on in my modern laptop

[muted patio]

Old drives better than new drives lol

[dense sparrow]

oh hm

[earnest olive]

was able to pull old photos off of it

[frank stirrup]

the other 4 I spoke about are

[earnest olive]

my mom never made backups so we lost a lot of old family photos on dead laptops but i was able to recover a lot once i learned how to computer

[stoic island]

Basically, we don't have data on modern barracuda's

None of us do

[frank stirrup]

old parts were built different

[frank stirrup]

I do...

[dense sparrow]

SO WHICH HDD is best? everyone has diff points

[frank stirrup]

all my games are on it

[dense sparrow]

lol,

[earnest olive]

the bottom line is that the failure rate data comes from a massive data center writing more data to the drive in a day than you will in 5 years

[stoic island]

How big is the confidence interval for AFR?

[earnest olive]

therefore i don't think it's important to an end user

[frank stirrup]

what now?

[frank stirrup]

exactly

[stoic island]

Tbh annual failure rate is like one of the best measurements for drive reliability

[desert gulch]

theres something called google photos too lol

[frank stirrup]

I had 3 WD drives fail on me last year lol

[desert gulch]

where itll auto backup to the cloud

[earnest olive]

sir

i don't think google photos cloud backup was a thing in 1999

[desert gulch]

oh like that long ago?

lol

[frank stirrup]

lmao

[stoic island]

The thing is, failure rate data from backblaze is great and all, BUT THEY DONT HAVE ANY DATA ON DRIVES WE CARE ABOUT

[desert gulch]

now do yall use google photos stuff?

[earnest olive]

no but she knows how to make backups now

[inland parrot]

@frank stirrup okay, but i think i will just use the new motherabors that just came in thr mail today just to be on the safe side

[stoic island]

Without any reputable source for failure rate

Someone can be very lucky or unlucky

[earnest olive]

probably millions of end users are using seagate barracuda compute without issue

[stoic island]

It's down to biases for consumer drives

[earnest olive]

been a popular drive for a long time

[stoic island]

Yep, and I have one

[frank stirrup]

How is it that this RTheninja guy manages to completely murder the spelling of motherboard in a new way every single time?!

[earnest olive]

if it had a significant failure rate for consumers then it would not be so popular for so long

[dense sparrow]

ill just take the seagate one

[stoic island]

Yea

No drive really has major issues or great data

[frank stirrup]

Unless its an ssd

[earnest olive]

if a popular consumer drive was really mass failing GN would jump on it instantly lol

[stoic island]

What if Barracuda 2tb's are the most reliable drive since HGST stuff, and the only failures we see are just 1% of a huge number of drives sold?

Who knows

Not really

[earnest olive]

i also think the p-gm issue is a little overblown

[stoic island]

About 2 weeks max between tpu review and the announcement

[earnest olive]

didn't the original review show it exploding at 900W

[stoic island]

Nah

[earnest olive]

when the unit was rated for 750W

[stoic island]

It was testing opp

After shutting off after opp

Turning it back on blew

It was opp I'm 95% sure

Over power protection

[earnest olive]

yeah i just looked up the original TPU review

981.42W

who the heck is going to push their 750W psu to 981.42W realistically lol

[stoic island]

"During the OPP (cold) evaluation, the PSU died, so I couldn't finish all tests. How did it die? I increased the load on all rails until the PSU shut down as it should. I left it to cool down and tried to restart it after five minutes, but was treated with fireworks and a loud bang. I had pushed its cheap primary switching FETs too far, so Gigabyte should lower the OPP and +12 V OCP triggering points."

[earnest olive]

i still wouldn't buy it but people act like it will explode paired with intel uhd

[stoic island]

The issue is

we don't know why it blew

it just blew

@earnest olive I say it's iffy because it died AFTER OPP tripped

[earnest olive]

"I had pushed its cheap primary switching FETs too far, so Gigabyte should lower the OPP and +12 V OCP triggering points."

they definitely should lower OPP yes

[stoic island]

Yes, but we don't know where the cutoff point for "is going to die next time you turn it on" and "turning on doesn't give you fireworks" is

which is the problem imo

[earnest olive]

they overestimated their components and wanted to keep OPP high for ampere transients i figure

[muted patio]

This is why GN will be testing them

[stoic island]

ya

I really want to see GN testing to see what actually makes them fail

like around how much overload

or if overload was even the killer

[earnest olive]

i wouldn't expect any 750w to work properly at 981W they just need to make it shut off earlier

[muted patio]

If that was even the issue

[stoic island]

mhm

[muted patio]

It didn't blow at 981 watts

[stoic island]

all we know is tpu made it blow by testing OPP, letting it cool down, and turning back on

[muted patio]

It survived that

[earnest olive]

then again apparently my 750W psu triggers OPP at 992.3W

[muted patio]

It blew afterwards

[earnest olive]

well yeah but presumably the damage was done by then

[muted patio]

Presumably is the key

[earnest olive]

could also be rapid cooling after heat load

anyways we will find out

i'm sure gn will do a good investigation

[stoic island]

oh yea they never got to test OTP or SCP

so

who knows

[muted patio]

Yup

[stoic island]

GN op

[frank stirrup]

how good is that for an nvme

[earnest olive]

ehhh

crucial p1?

[frank stirrup]

its more than half full with a few programs running off off it

[earnest olive]

it's on the budget end but honestly the difference is kind of whatever

[stoic island]

it's fine

[earnest olive]

random read/iops more important than seq read/write unless you are video editing

[frank stirrup]

Paid like 60 dollars for it

500 gb

[desert gulch]

oof

[stoic island]

yeye

[desert gulch]

overpriced imo

[stoic island]

just fine really

[desert gulch]

id rather a sn750 at that price but whatever

[earnest olive]

970 evo has 500k iops compared to 344k on the pilot-e but people like to say pilot-e is better/same off of seq speeds

pilot-e is absolutely a better value but saying it outperforms the 970 evo is a bit disingenuous

[frank stirrup]

Was honestly the cheapest drive I could get that wasnt trash

[earnest olive]

was it a crucial p1

[frank stirrup]

WD blue

[desert gulch]

sn750 was at 60 bucks for 500gb a couple days ago but ight

ohh sn550?

[frank stirrup]

yeah

[earnest olive]

sn750 500gb is currently $70

[frank stirrup]

I have a 550

[desert gulch]

it goes on sale like all the time

itll go down to 62 in a couple days

[stoic island]

550 nice

[frank stirrup]

see the thing is I live in india and the pc market is kinda garbo

no one really knows what they saying tbh

[earnest olive]

i heard the 3300x actually exists in india

lol

[desert gulch]

lol

[frank stirrup]

China bruh

[earnest olive]

china gets the 3500x... not sure who really wants that

[desert gulch]

do they get 3600 non x and x too?

[earnest olive]

yeah

[desert gulch]

not fair

[stoic island]

@earnest olive side note, it seems that pilot e actually has a lot higher average iops on rnd r/w than max for some reason

[earnest olive]

idk who would buy a 3500x over a 3600 lol

[desert gulch]

lol whats price diff?

[stoic island]

like peak is looking not nice

[frank stirrup]

X stands for Xtremely stupid

[stoic island]

but avg

[earnest olive]

not bad

pilot-e certainly is an impressive drive

[frank stirrup]

guess what drive that is

[earnest olive]

sabrent rocket 4.0

[frank stirrup]

especially at the price

[stoic island]

And for sustained (OG evo isn't in for whatever reason)

It lasts pretty long

[earnest olive]

wd sn850 raid0

[stoic island]

It lasts as long as OG sx8200 pro

[frank stirrup]

Wrong and wrong!

[stoic island]

hm?

wat

[earnest olive]

intel optane

[frank stirrup]

thats pretty nais

[frank stirrup]

nop

[stoic island]

it is nice

[stoic island]

bx500

bx for bad

[frank stirrup]

LMAO

Nah its actually pretty pog

[stoic island]

hdd then

[earnest olive]

my 7 year old 5400 rpm hdd

[stoic island]

lemme find my baracuda cdm

[muted patio]

SHould I CDM my toshiba?

[frank stirrup]

how many did you raid 0 to hit that storage?

[stoic island]

why not

My Barracuda 2tb:

Single drive

[frank stirrup]

whats cdm?

[stoic island]

crystal disk mark

[earnest olive]

it is a single 6tb drive

I got it for free lol

[frank stirrup]

nais

[earnest olive]

I was chillin with a single 1tb ssd

[stoic island]

ngl I want a x300

[earnest olive]

then my friend was like

[stoic island]

free free free

[earnest olive]

"hey does anyone want free 6tb hdd I have like 15"

he works IT and his boss was retiring some old drives

he just let my friend take them

he got a brand new 18tb hdd too

[frank stirrup]

btw thats 2 10+ yr old barracudas raid 0ed

[stoic island]

lol

[frank stirrup]

Who cares about data anyway

But fr Ive seen the raid array hit transfers of 300mbps write idk why crystal under reporting

Like large files as well not small enough to fit in cache

[muted patio]

Not an X300 tho

[stoic island]

7200rpm drive?

[muted patio]

Mmmm

Gotta check XD

Oh, it is an X300 lmao

HDWE160

6 TB CMR

[frank stirrup]

Bruh

[lost basin]

What do you guys think? https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zBWwfP

[celest pumice]

Can someone help me real quick? I’m building my first pc and idk what this one cord is

[muted patio]

DM me a pic and I'll post it here

[celest pumice]

It’s coming from the case

Ok

[muted patio]

Pics are uploading

I can tell you though that it's USB 3.2 front panel. What motherboard do you have, it probably doesn't have a connector for it.

[celest pumice]

ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming

[stoic island]

@lost basin what's it for?

[celest pumice]

@muted patio Thanx a bunch, I’d never seen this cord before so that helps

[muted patio]

Checking the manual now, looks like there should be a header for it

I'll find a pic of where it goes

[celest pumice]

Yeah I’m checking as well

[muted patio]

Or not

That board doesn't have one, just the standard USB 3.0 header :/

[celest pumice]

Ah yes thank you

[lost basin]

@stoic island Gaming mostly

[celest pumice]

Huge pain figuring out some of this stuff on your own lol

[muted patio]

It can be yes

[stoic island]

So uh

[celest pumice]

I’m mostly done tho, hopefully nothings messed up, thanx again!

[muted patio]

YW

[stoic island]

Why the h510, that ram, that aio, and that cpu?

[lost basin]

Is it bad for gaming?

[stoic island]

I wouldn't be asking if there might not be issues ;)

[lost basin]

I doesn't seem like there would be issues

it looks fine

[stoic island]

2666mhz ram is not going to have any fun with a Zen 2 chip

[lost basin]

i never built a pc before

I don't have experience

[stoic island]

A 3950x is a lot to pay on a cpu for gaming, when something like a 5600x will perform ~15% better in general for games

[muted patio]

It does look like there are adapters to hook it into a PCI-E slot though so you can use the ports if you want? https://www.amazon.com/Cablecc-Socket-Express-Adapter-Motherboard/dp/B07ZPZH6N5/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=USB+FRONT+PANEL+ADAPTER&qid=1617832909&sr=8-2

[stoic island]

@lost basin anyways, if you don't have any specific reasons for those parts, those are the parts I'd change

[lost basin]

Could you help me

with that?

[stoic island]

Yes

[outer maple]

So, I basically need to get a dirt cheap preferably ATX or Micro ATX (possibly mini, if need be), and I need it to be able to glow like the sun with RGB. I need the mobo/proc (& maybe heatsink for the proc) & the board to be 2 channel (4 RAM slots). I can take care of the rest. The one thing I 100% don't need is a case. I just need this to look pretty for all of the RGB fans out there. Think of it like a window dressing. It probably won't even have a display connected

[lost basin]

Can we talk private?

[celest pumice]

Gotcha, I was hoping there was one, I’ll probs get one later, thanx so much 🙂

@muted patio

[lost basin]

Can we talk private?

[stoic island]

I'm eating atm, sooooo
Anyways, swap ram for something more like this, 3600mhz cl16
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

@outer maple what's the budget

@lost basin I'd change the chip to a 5800x, pricing looks decent for UK, cooler I'll check when I'm back to my computer

[outer maple]

As little as possible. Preferably sub $500 USD. This machine doesn't need to do anything at all other than smoothly run RGB. If the RGB software allows, I'll probably just run a light version of linux instead of windows

[stoic island]

@lost basin change case to a P400a

Well, lemme see

@outer maple will you be using rgb or argb?

Matters for mobo because they use different headers

[outer maple]

most likely argb, but not necessarily

[stoic island]

Oh just realized no case so no case fans

But want a cooler too?

[outer maple]

I might just go with RGB, I can just make the colors fade in and out

I have an old gateway Pentium D 3.2GHz from 2006 I think, with 4 GB of RAM, and it runs everything amazingly well - even windows 10 runs like butter (my system drive is an SSD). But 1) It's the only windows machine I have & need it, and 2, it's a BTX mobo, so that's just a PITA right there

[stoic island]

@outer maple okay, lemme think what you need, so a board, a chip with IGPU (To access software), rgb ram, some tiny storage so it's bootable, and a power supply?

And I assume need rgb headers to run some rgb strips

[outer maple]

@stoic island Yeah, mobo, CPU with IGPU is a good idea. & I can throw in an old GPU card I have to make it look more "full", the RAM can be whatever's cheapest, even if it's 4x1GB sticks, and I have either a small capacity SSD &/or 3.5 drive

@stoic island Yes, I guess so, I'm not sure what it is about it, but I just can't wrap my head around RGB stuff. I figured I'd just get some cheap RGB fans, possibly mount them on a radiator on the CPU as the input, and then one or two elsewhere for the output, or even just a regular heat sink on the CPU and standard fans

[stoic island]

Currently having a bit of trouble on deciding a cooling solution, are you thinking of just slapping it down on the windowsill? (Would make it impractical to have an aio, since that should be mounted somewhere to look nice), or something else?

[earnest olive]

wait you're building a pc for the sole purpose of showing rgb lights in the window?

[stoic island]

I believe they are, and that's a fair purpose imo :p

[earnest olive]

there are rgb strips that just plug into usb port or wall plug no?

[stoic island]

But a pc is cool :p

[warm badge]

window sill pc, this is interesting
ill stalk this channel to see what comes up

[outer maple]

@stoic island 1 min afk

[stoic island]

@outer maple ram is stupid expensive right now so it's sad, but dummy sticks are nice. Pricing on this is worse than I'd like due to ram pricing and choosing aio, could switch aio out for some rgb heatsink if necessary.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jPkmht

[earnest olive]

if i were to use a nice looking pc as a window display piece i'd be worried about someone breaking the window and grabbing it lol

[outer maple]

@stoic island WOW! I didn't want you to go through the trouble of doing that, but I thank you sincerely!

@stoic island It's amazing that dummy sticks cost so much lol

[stoic island]

:)

Well, ram in general pricing is sad too

I guess rgb costs a good bit for Corsair
https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-VENGEANCE-Enhancement-memory-included/dp/B07L2QSY96/

[outer maple]

Well, it's that whole shortage of silicone at the sources that driving everything up like crazy

[earnest olive]

you could probably use a cheaper motherboard with an rgb controller

[little osprey]

probably gonna be buying one if i have to buy ripjaws

because corsair is taller so i won't see the ripjaws

[stoic island]

maybe but I decided that pentium+b460 board seemed cheaper than other options

[outer maple]

lol! Even the ram covers aren't cheap

[stoic island]

and 110$ was the cheapest for a b460 board with 4 ram slots :(

[little osprey]

does he NEED b460?

[stoic island]

Oh, not pentium, Celeron, same thing :P

[earnest olive]

hmm looking at the prices of lga1151 pentiums you may be right

[little osprey]

oh celeron lmao

[stoic island]

I literally went sort by cheap, and choose the first board with 4 slots xD

really sad how the pricing are

[outer maple]

It is. It's probably only going to get worse over the next year or so, so if there's something you NEED, you should probably get it sooner rather than later

@stoic island I think I'll call my local mom & pop computer store & see if they have anything laying around they'll part with for dirt cheap. I've done it in the past, and then, most likely, I can just grab some cheap RGB fans, some lighting strips

@stoic island If it looks good enough, people probably won't care too much/look too closely

[stoic island]

Fair enough, just a warning, @outer maple the board has 2 RGB headers and 2 aRGB headers, and if you use the aio, the aio will take up one RGB header. (RGB and aRGB don't mix because aRGB is 5v and RGB is 12v and they have different pinouts). You should be able to get away with a splitter like this one for more RGB headers if necessary, as long as it's not an unreasonable amount for a single header.
https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-11-Port-Extension-Perfect-RGB-12V/dp/B08Q42P89Z/

[outer maple]

@stoic island - Thank you SO MUCH for this help! It's going to be a while before I get it finished - I'm making the case out of a resin substance and need ventilation for the silicone casting to dry and the same with the casted pieces

[stoic island]

:)

[outer maple]

@stoic island So there'll be a side panel that can either be clear, OR can be covered with the part(s) I'm going to make that will range from crystal clear (but the light will be distorted a bit), to translucent/cloudy in any color even down to solid black (in which case, why have any RGB at all, but who knows)

[stoic island]

Oo, should be interesting

[outer maple]

@stoic island Yeah, think anything from a clear, but shaped case, to a prism effect, to anything in between, with any color in between

[stoic island]

Should be able to do some fun test runs for different effects :D

[outer maple]

Yeah, if nothing else. That's why all I needed was a dirt cheap computer

[stoic island]

Resin case shouldn't be conductive or anything that'll mess with any components, but you might want to be careful with the cables in case they get stuck somewhere

[muted patio]

Only concern with resin is static build up.

[outer maple]

No, the resin case is a plastic, and I've looked at it's melting point, and it's pretty high.

Funny thing - wood's ignition point is WAY higher than the plastics lol

Well, that's true. I can run a tiny grounding wire from the case to a spare power plug or something

@stoic island The entire case will be molded before the client gets it. it'll be almost like getting a regular case. Both sides will come off, and there will be space for cable routing, between a clear backplate, and the outside resin cast case.

[muted patio]

I would do this

[outer maple]

@stoic island *resin cast case parts.

[muted patio]

maybe embed a small piece of copper into the resin and run a wire from that to the PSU case

[stoic island]

That might work

[fleet pagoda]

Thinking abt selling my pc, monitor,desk, mouse and kbm how much could i get its a
3070
3700x
Gigabyte b450 aorus pro wifi
970evo 500gb ssd
750w phanteks psu
Ddr4 cl16 3600
P400a
Monitor is a msi 144hz curved 1 ms idk panel
I think a 27 in desk
Glorious model d mouse
Gk61 kb
Everything is in pretty good condition keyboards rgb sometimes turns off for unknown reasons

[ancient wraith]

whats normal ram usage while playing games

[fleet pagoda]

Not sure

[outer maple]

& the way this case concept is going to work, it probably will come mostly disassembled, with a pretty basic frame so the client can build it themselves. OR, we can build it for them before shipping

[stoic island]

~1600$ for the PC probably, Monitor maybe 100$, desk I'm not familiar with, mouse+kb prob 100$ together

[fleet pagoda]

Not bad about what i was expecting

[outer maple]

@stoic island Thank you for all of your help - I'll check back in from time to time & give you updates

[stoic island]

:)

Should be a fun project to see play out

[outer maple]

@stoic island Well, I've got the SUPER prototype done (it can also be built into a fairly basic NAS), but I don't want to show it to anyone I don't personally know, so the idea stays with me, until I'm ready to produce it

[stoic island]

Fair enough, share it whenever you like :D

[foggy hazel]

"before shipping" <- please keep in mind, depending on your substructure, shipping with parts might be ... interesting

[outer maple]

@stoic island The hope is within a couple of months.

@foggy hazel Oh, it will be CRYSTAL clear that there's a difference and precisely what it'll be when being ordered

[foggy hazel]

not quite what i mean.

[outer maple]

And it won't be one of those places that you're missing like 5 pieces lol

[stoic island]

I think Naed is talking about how shipping will work for the computer, since shipping can be interesting in terms of parts shaking about, possibly becoming loose and such for the product

[foggy hazel]

more that IF you dont have a very strong substructure and load-balancing. You will have customers that receive their very own "please use LOTS of glue" puzzle

[outer maple]

OH - It's unlikely I'll actually build/assemble the computers. These will mostly just be cases/enclosures/etc

[foggy hazel]

aye aye

[outer maple]

Am I still misunderstanding?

[foggy hazel]

i just mentioned it, because its something that would be practical/smart of you (the people involved in the project) to test in some way :)

[outer maple]

I appreciate it - and yes, each will be fully tested before shipping.

[foggy hazel]

and as @stoic island said, it sounds interesting, so please do keep us posted :)

[outer maple]

Will do!

I wish this had a plugin for the sidebar in the opera browser instead of it's own app.

But hey, free stuff can't be complained about! Especially everyone's help today!

[viral kettle]

I need some help, should I change out my Mobo since I have to get a new computer case anyway

[muted patio]

What do you have now?

[viral kettle]

B450 Tomahawk Max as Mobo

[muted patio]

IMO, no need to change it

It will run Ryzen 5000 just fine with a BIOS update

It also supports fast ram

Good PCI-E slots

Only 1 M.2 but you don't really need any more than that

NOt worth the cost to upgrade it IMO

[viral kettle]

I got AMD Ryzen 5 3600 chip

[muted patio]

PCI-E 4.0 looks nice on paper but has no real benefit

OH yeah, that'll be just fine.

[viral kettle]

I see, thank you. now I need to get a computer case now

[muted patio]

Budget?

[viral kettle]

150.00

[muted patio]

RGB?

[viral kettle]

Yea and I was going to get SSD for my anime collection (my sons breaks my HDD all of the time

[muted patio]

I've got the non-RGB version of this case and the build quality, build features and airflow are fantastic https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-EC500ATG_DBK01-Full-Metal-Mid-Tower-Digital-RGB/dp/B088T3VMKK

[stoic island]

P500a on the slightly pricy end atm, td500 mesh, lancool ii mesh, p400a, 5000d airflow, and 4000d airflow are all other options

[muted patio]

5000D is $165 tho?

I checked

[stoic island]

Whoops, thought that was cheap

[viral kettle]

its looks very nice, and with some new fans (might get a watercooler one) and change out the stock fan on the chip, I should be fine

[muted patio]

4000D is $95 ye

[stoic island]

But p400a and 4000d are <100$, td500 mesh and lancool ii mesh <110$ last I checked

Other options for looks

[sick arch]

Any suggestions for a motherboard that can support gaming / recording with a 10900 cpu and RTX 3070 gpu. Keep in mind- not overclocking

I9*

[stoic island]

Well, something like a b560 pro4 (should be ~110$) should be fine for 10900 stock

[sick arch]

Okay I’ll check it out

[stoic island]

@sick arch by the way, the requirements aren't that demanding, so basically any decent board can do that, at this point, it's just choosing a relatively cheap option that has all the features you want

[sick arch]

So let’s say I’m going with intel. Obviously an i9 9900 vs an i9 10900 is cheaper but not as good. But what more would I really get out of the extra money for a 10900?

[stoic island]

Well, more cores at the least

[sick arch]

And that just lets me multitask more pretty much right?

[stoic island]

More tasks, 8 cores isn't bad either though

10700 also an option if you don't believe you'll need all the cores

[sick arch]

Okay. I’ll prob just go w the 10900 just so I have those extra cores in case I ever really need them. If I come out w a pc that’s too expensive I can always change my mind in the end

[stoic island]

(10 cores in 10900, 8 in 9900)

[sick arch]

👍

[viral kettle]

So what are the good case fans these days?

[stoic island]

Arctic P12's, should be ~7$ a fan, <10$ per fan is acceptable

[viral kettle]

what about RGB fans

[stoic island]

Wacky

[viral kettle]

What that means?

[muted patio]

RGB fans spendy unless you go cheap proprietary hub

[viral kettle]

I see, how spendy is it?

[muted patio]

$20-$30 a fan for the name brand ones?

There are cheaper ones but you're tied to their controller/hub/fans

[viral kettle]

any suggestions

[muted patio]

Im' honestly not an RGB person

My case is full blackout XD

[foggy hazel]

never yet built a personal rig that had a room in the budget for a visual only part, which is what rgb fans are

there is always, imo, other things that you could use the budget on

[stoic island]

Yea... Only thing I could even say is ll120s, and they're not great, they're just popular.

[spiral sentinel]

Does this case fit the build? Just wanna triple check

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fz7dTJ

[desert gulch]

Hi naed

It's been a third of a year since I've last talked to you lol

[desert gulch]

I'd go for a 1tb pilot e, instead of 500gig ssd and 2tb hdd

[spiral sentinel]

Ok

[viral ore]

512gb ssd + 2tb hdd is the move tho

1tb vs 2.5tb

[spiral sentinel]

Btw im on a budget

Not a crazy build

[viral ore]

hence why a tb of ssd is overkill

while also being most likely inadequate

as for the case

yeah, its an ATX case, so it will hold any ATX motherboard

also SX8200 pro bad (?) ssd

unsure if they made it better, or if its still doo doo

from when they intentionally made it worse

[muted patio]

Not terrible doo doo but doo doo

[desert gulch]

yeah, didnt they kinda start downgrading the flash on that thing?

while still keeping original speed ratings?

[muted patio]

Controller and Nand have been changed a couple times

[viral ore]

they did it twice iirc

[muted patio]

Two controller changes and a NAND change

[desert gulch]

oof

[stoic island]

think it was controller+nand change for one of em

anyways

[desert gulch]

cringe

[junior crescent]

what's a good cpu option to be paired with a 6800 xt??

Best performance

[stoic island]

What's the budget

[junior crescent]

400-500

[stoic island]

for chip+mobo?

[junior crescent]

just chip

[stoic island]

5800x, sad but decent

[junior crescent]

are there any major performance differences between it and the 5600x Gaming wise??

[rich helm]

Not major but ok afaik

[rich helm]

Isn’t 5900x 500

[muted patio]

550

[junior crescent]

Would the 5600x bottleneck the 6800 xt

[rich helm]

Bottleneck is a dumb word

[muted patio]

No it won't

UNless you're playing 1080p high FPS

at 1440p/4K, cpu becomes less of an issue

[junior crescent]

would the 10700K be better than the 5600x cause it's like 250 rn

[muted patio]

For gaming only?

[junior crescent]

ye

[muted patio]

5600x

Better single core performance which games like

If multi tasking, then 10700K

[obsidian wigeon]

well kills it in multi too

iirc

or not, i might have forgotten

yeah 10700k is over it, mb

[muted patio]

Not in multi

Ye

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_5600x-1750-vs-intel_core_i7_10700k-1140

[junior crescent]

If i want to do some streaming should i go for a 3070 or 3080 since i've heard that Radeons encoders are crap

[obsidian wigeon]

well yes

nvenc is better

[muted patio]

Yes

I'd say so

[obsidian wigeon]

10700k can use quicksync too

iirc

[junior crescent]

5600x and 3070 or 3080 for a 1800-2000 usd build for gaming and streamig

[muted patio]

3070 shoul dbe fine for 1440p

I have one, it's great

[solid dust]

This is my parts list so far, any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated! I would use this mostly for gaming with a dual monitor with 1080p 165 fps max on my main screen, either streaming myself or modding on the other one . Thanks! https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FQZPW3

[stoic island]

I'd swap for a good b550 board like say a B550-a, evo 1tb pricing is dumb atm, I'd grab a pilot e 1tb or any equivalent drives, the PSU can be swapped for a Phanteks Amp 750w for 5$ less, higher wattage unit, better unit, why not :D

and well

3700x is kinda wack atm

[solid dust]

And also I was still considering going with a noctua air cooler over the aio, but I still am undecided

[stoic island]

I'd suggest either 5600x for gaming, or 10700/10900 for more cores, or 11400 to save money

aio? what aio

No aios in the list

[solid dust]

It got removed, I’ll post the link

[stoic island]

I wouldn't get an aio anyways but

[solid dust]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/smDkcf/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-280-728-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00066a

[stoic island]

@little osprey depends on what you call cheap, 3070 laptops start ~1500$ or so

freezer ii is nice but 3700x doesn't really need an aio

[little osprey]

Sorry! Just realized I chatted in build chat

[stoic island]

is ok

[little osprey]

I posted it in tech deals rn.

[solid dust]

And then the noctua I was looking at was the nh-d15

I was originally starting my build with an i5 10600k just since I know intel better than amd

[stoic island]

I mean

d15 thicc

[stoic island]

And instead of a generalized term like that, it's more accurate to say Intel 10th gen generally outperform AMD Zen 2 chips in gaming

[cerulean trellis]

why does my capture card not work

it looks like this

[night storm]

i5 11900K or i9 10900K I9 is only 24$ more which do i get.

[fossil cedar]

They're both i9s?

[night storm]

no i5 and i9

10th vs 11th gen

[fossil cedar]

Unless you meant 11600k and not 11900k

[night storm]

nope definately meant 10th gen i9 10900k and 11th gen i5 11600k

[fossil cedar]

Reread your message

But i9

Unless you going kinda budget or already have the b560/z490/z590 board look at amd

[night storm]

these two are my options with only 24$ difference

[fossil cedar]

I9 then

[night storm]

on benchmark the i5 getting better scores at most things though

[fossil cedar]

If you're gaming 5600x is best option unless you want more than 6 cores

If you want to spend less get a 11400 then

Or 10400 for like 140 i believe

[night storm]

cool beans, thanks for your input

[fossil cedar]

Np

[full inlet]

hello

[fossil cedar]

Dannieo are you putting it in pc part picker?

[full inlet]

I might later

tbh I gtg, but thanks for all the advice!

🙂

[fossil cedar]

Okay

[potent portal]

You can find way cheaper RAM than that, you could get 3600 speed for that price

[full inlet]

oh

i'm buying it from a friend for 50

[distant lake]

im getting a lian li lancool 2 and was wondering if there's a software to control the lian li rgb

[fossil cedar]

The ram they have is 2nd hand for 50

[potent portal]

Ah ok that works better

[fossil cedar]

Nb just hard to see on mobile lol, the Newegg link that is

[full inlet]

its all good stuff (I trust this friend)

[full inlet]

ok

anyway see u later

[potent portal]

I'll throw the stuff into pcpp for you and send you the list

[full inlet]

ok

[potent portal]

see you

[fossil cedar]

Bye

[desert gulch]

on his list that ram kinda overpriced ngl

3200 c16 2x8 lpx crap for over 100 bucks

[cerulean trellis]

maybe

but its some cheap one

hold on

it is a hdmi to capture card

no its not that one

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-to-USB-3-0-Video-Capture-Card-4K-1080P-60fps-Record-For-Live-Streaming/224222166083

i got this one

yeah its 1080p 30

or 720p 60

[fossil cedar]

They getting it from friend for 50

[cerulean trellis]

ik

but idc

yeah

so whats wrong with it

i plugged it into my pc

and then the hdmi to my monitor

ok

yes

it doesent go to gpu

ok

i have it plugged ito my pc

ok brb

i have to go but thx for the help

[runic relic]

anyone reccomend some decent ram?

[potent portal]

For what CPU and what budget?

[runic relic]

my current plans

no budget tbh

[still roost]

luce#9764 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[runic relic]

no scalper stuff

[potent portal]

Ok with a 5800X I'd go for 3600-3800 speed, I'll dig up a good set

[runic relic]

oooo?

[potent portal]

RGB or no?

It's a couple dollars more

[runic relic]

sure, ill pay a couple bucks for somethin pretty.

[potent portal]

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236695?quicklink=true

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232898?quicklink=true

[ancient wraith]

anyone know what micro soft adjust services is

[tough kettle]

they don't use the same die all the time lol

[potent portal]

Looks like a probably B-Die

[tough kettle]

likely not with those timings

[still roost]

Decks#5664 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[tough kettle]

[potent portal]

B-Die finder says 100% B-Die

Oh wait slightly different SKU

[celest horizon]

If the subtimings are straight 16's - 100% bdie

[potent portal]

16-19-19-36

[celest horizon]

ya that's cjr or something

[runic relic]

ooo

[jaunty nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rainyiax/saved/LtHJyc

good?

[muted patio]

If you can wait for them to restock, B560 boards are cheaper and what you need since you can't OC the 11400.

[jaunty nacelle]

yeah im a bit impatient

[muted patio]

XD

[jaunty nacelle]

lol

[muted patio]

It's fine then

[jaunty nacelle]

ok ty

[round stream]

.

[frank stirrup]

?

[desert gulch]

I'd go cheaper psu

Even a great a tier 650w is cheaper

Phanteks amp 650 is even cheaper

[civic glacier]

the MSRP of the RTX 3070 is 500$ right? so after a few months or so it should go back to being 500$ right?

[jagged ember]

If a miracle happens, sure

Otherwise wait a few more years maybe

[frank stirrup]

Few years

Not months

[potent portal]

If I can't get anything from the shuffle I'm skipping 30 series altogether, looking ahead to 40s now that they know what to plan for

[main iron]

Can anyone approve of this eventual build trying to build a pc cause I'm going to start ordering parts starting this month

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wZBYCz

Was planning on getting a lian li 2 mesh from newegg, but none available

Wanted to buy the tower first

Because it looked nice

[frank stirrup]

Get a mushkin pilot e drive

[main iron]

What does that do?

[frank stirrup]

3600mhz ram

[main iron]

First time builder btw

[frank stirrup]

Its better than the sabrent rocket you picked

[potent portal]

3600 is pushing it for a R5 3600

[main iron]

Hmm if it's better must be more expensive

[potent portal]

That's exactly what the companies want you to think

[jagged ember]

Wait actually

[frank stirrup]

Improves perf

[jagged ember]

Isn't 3600 the sweet spot for a 3600 cpu

[tough kettle]

not a good PSU

and I own it

[frank stirrup]

All ryzen cpus

[jagged ember]

Not zen+

[potent portal]

Yes it'll be better performing at 3600 but you have to hope IF likes it

[jagged ember]

Those limited to 3000mhz as sweet spot iirc

[frank stirrup]

*all good ryzen cpus

[potent portal]

3200 was great on zen+, from experience

[jagged ember]

Mm I don't know enough to argue against fal

[main iron]

Well can anyone aid me to fix this maybe as I did get some aid in picking the right parts, because I fumbled pretty badly, and just picked what looked interesting

[jagged ember]

Good first step

[frank stirrup]

Zen and zen+ weren’t very good tbh... zen 2 is where it really hot good.

[potent portal]

Had a 2700 with a 3200 kit of gskill, never any problem

[frank stirrup]

Well i told you what to get

A mushkin pilot instead of sabrent

[potent portal]

Anyway, someone get this person an Intel build. 10400 better price/perf

[frank stirrup]

Maybe a cheaper case and a 5600x

3600mhz ram

And a different psu

[main iron]

5600x?

That motherboard?

[potent portal]

Yeah

It'll work fine

Actually you could probably go cheaper on the motherboard even

[main iron]

I don't see the motherboard type on here

I typed 5600x

[potent portal]

Oh 5600X is the processor

Since no one else jumped on it I'll edit your list

[frank stirrup]

Im on mobile

No electricity here rn

No pc

[jagged ember]

Hey me too

Wtf

[frank stirrup]

Pc part picker kinda cancer on mobile

[frank stirrup]

Bruhh

[main iron]

I don't plan on getting this all in one go just gonna buy something every month all the way to october

[vagrant olive]

around what temp will a gpu shut down the system?
i was playing a strenuous game and while my cpu temp was only in mid 60s, gpu temp was in low-mid 80s, about 30 min. later my computer shut down but all my fans except gpu fans were still spinning

[main iron]

And I hope a cheap case has nice rgb even though it's a weird meme

[frank stirrup]

Thats not gpu shutting off your system because temps atleast

Its some other issue

[potent portal]

Power maybe

[frank stirrup]

Have you overclocked any part?

[potent portal]

What GPU?

[frank stirrup]

Its either a failed oc or mobo issue or a psu issue

[brittle tinsel]

I have an issue where my display randomly goes black, I still have sound and control of the game but black screen for 2-5 secvonds

[potent portal]

Check cables, blow out and swap ports

Try another cable as well

[brittle tinsel]

I have done all of that.

the only thing I can think of is the gpu is not only 4 years of use on it, but it was in the pc that died in a surge, maybe its damaged?

[potent portal]

Ehh, possibly. Stress testing might be in order.

[brittle tinsel]

I dont think it could be under stress, it can happen with nothing on, youtube or gaming

[potent portal]

It will happen more frequently under stress if it's the GPU

If it doesn't then it's other factors

Furmark that for a couple hours

[main iron]

Would this build you are fixing for me Fal'Cie be able to work with an eventual 3060ti gpu?

[potent portal]

Yes, just fine tuning things like RGB right now

[main iron]

Neat

Atm not looking for accesories like keyboard, mouse/monitors right now as I just want my first tower to use

[vagrant olive]

oh sorry im back

rtx 3060 with a 650W psu

corsair cx650-f

[potent portal]

Oops one sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fW9pYg

[vagrant olive]

dont have it oc'ed

[main iron]

Are the compatibility issues something to worry about?

Also I wanna say I love that price of all that stuff

This is amazing

[vagrant olive]

5600x is going to be $300 if you can find it in stock, 3060 ti is 400-500$

[potent portal]

400-500
You're joking, right?

[vagrant olive]

no, just that you may have to update your bios to use the cpu

its a 3060 ti

[main iron]

Yeah I know I'm going to try to get it in retail

Not gonna pay out the butt for a 3060ti

[potent portal]

Yeah and the 3060 (no ti) has been selling on Newegg for 500-600

[vagrant olive]

i forget how much that exact one is but i know the evga cards are close to FE msrp

yeah newegg has big markup on gpus rn

[main iron]

Trying to get a best buy offer if available.

But since the gpu is going to be the last on my list I might get something cheaper, and save up

Maybe a 1660ti

[potent portal]

I changed the motherboard, the last one didn't have flashback
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YwqgcT

[main iron]

Well that 3060 that's 469 looks promising

[tight sorrel]

paid $1100 for a 3070 2 weeks ago

[main iron]

And thanks

[tight sorrel]

hurts bad

[main iron]

I am not going to give in to the scalpers

[potent portal]

Stay strong, they'll go away once something else is more profitable to scalp

[tight sorrel]

not even scalpers bro, thats what the prices of 3070s are where Im from.

[potent portal]

Yeah outside USA is pretty bad right now...

[vagrant olive]

i managed to get lucky on a zotac drop about a month into my gpu hunt

[main iron]

Thanks Fal'Cie

Final Fantasy 13 right?

[potent portal]

Happy to help
And yes, you're one of the few to pick up the ref

[main iron]

Yep

Fav is 13 2

Though I really really should get back into playing 13 2

Only played that game halfway.

[potent portal]

I never did play Lightning Returns... didn't have a console then

[main iron]

Lightning returns reminds me of majora's masks so much

But yeah end of this month gonna buy the phantecks

[still roost]

Decks#5664 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tough kettle]

bruh

[vagrant olive]

the prime b550 lineup was [bad] tbh, they don't even have flashbacl

• Deck #freelili, 2021

[tough kettle]

ye I just saw his updated list

thats fine

although I would swap the PSU for an HCG gold

since it's better

and you won't see the RGB through the shroud

[potent portal]

It'll be fine, You'll get an underglow effect lol

[tough kettle]

I'd prefer performance

[main iron]

HCG gold this is the case right?

[tough kettle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fndxFT/antec-high-current-gamer-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-hcg650-gold

[main iron]

Hmm same price

I guess if I get this the rgb won't be so good

oh rebate card

[tough kettle]

the CXF is also 79 with a rebate card lol

both are with MIR

[potent portal]

Which is why I just went with the RGB unit lol, might as well if it's the same exact price

[tough kettle]

no ar gee bee is cring

[potent portal]

Ooh, tier B bad, hissss

It's fine for a 3060ti, I swear. You'll never hit power limits.

[tough kettle]

I know it will be lol

[potent portal]

Even a 3070 would be fine most likely

[tough kettle]

CXF would be fine with a 3080 too

[potent portal]

Not at that wattage

[main iron]

Not going higher then a 3060ti

A 3060 is fine

tbh for me

[tough kettle]

eh it would be fine for a 10400+ a 3080

650w is fine for that

[potent portal]

Essentially, just pick your favorite of those options

They're the same price, one has RGB, one is slightly more reliable

[main iron]

Well the case you picked out has rgb anyway

Though I don't know how rebate cards work so I might just get the rgb since it is a cheaper base price

[tough kettle]

no if ur paying base price that's not worth it

this is better; also for the same price
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bq6qqs/msi-650-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpg-a650gf

[potent portal]

If you don't want to deal with rebate there definitely better options

[main iron]

mkay

[potent portal]

They can take a month or two to send your rebate card

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WrNypg/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-650fx

[main iron]

80 bucks??

Wow that is a good deal

[tough kettle]

nice

[main iron]

Making me want to buy a psu first lol

[potent portal]

It's A tier so you can be happy Deck

Updated list https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wYQYCz

The reason it's on the "low priority" A tier list appears to be transient response, which won't be a problem for anything less than a 3080

[main iron]

Cool

[tough kettle]

cring no, i don't go by tier list

[potent portal]

Geez picky, here then lol https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seasonic-ssr-650px-psu,5786.html

[main iron]

You changing the list again?

[potent portal]

No just putting up a review of the power supply

[main iron]

oh

[odd urchin]

so my build is pretty much finished. all it needs to be put in is a 3090 ><. when that ever happens, i have no clue

[fossil cedar]

Why no 7200rpm hdd :/

[tough kettle]

Because there are more factors affecting an HDD than the RPM

[stoic island]

BTW, that's focus FX, not focus GX, GX is the updated/revised one rebranded from 2019 onwards, FX older one.

[tough kettle]

Firmware, recording medium, platter density, etc.

[lyric thistle]

I think most of the Barracudas use shingled magnetic recording

Which is a sad form of magnetic recording that is slow :(

And bad >:(

[fossil cedar]

Fair

[sick arch]

For a motherboard how much VRM is good to have and how much challis be going towards the RAM for a pc for gaming and recording

[tight sorrel]

VRM? look at reviews rather. Check out buildzoid and hardware unboxed. for ram, 16gb to start

[sick arch]

Okay. Also another question. What’s really the difference between intel i9 10900 and 10900k cause I read they both support overclocking

[compact pebble]

Can someone give me a prebuilt suggestion for $1500 with amd and it’s for gaming

[rich helm]

Only 10900k supports overclocking. K means unlocked

[rich helm]

The vrm is something that has to do with power delivery to the chip afaik the amount t if it isn’t listed in the board, only the power delivery. Reviews will tell you if a bird has good vrms or bad one but only required for overclocking, well you need them but quality isn’t as important if you aren’t running over clocks

[fossil cedar]

Btw unless you're on a slightly strict budget you're better off going amd 5900x or something like that if you can fit it into your budget

[sick arch]

Yeah the 5900 is too expensive for me and I think the intel is suffice

[cold sorrel]

I'm aiming for a 5600x, since 1. I want to go AMD and 2. I'm not likely to upgrade again for several years.

[fossil cedar]

Okay, if you don't want to overclock btw just get the cheapest out of the 10900, 10900k or 10850k even if you wanna overclock, it's usually cheaper and the 10850k is 100mhz lower at stock but it's basically the same chip, and you can overclock it anyway to get same perf

[sick arch]

The 10850k and 10900 are the same price abt

[stoic island]

There are actually boards that have crappy enough VRMs to fail 10900 stock

Like z490 pro4 and phantom gaming 4

[fossil cedar]

Oof

[fleet pagoda]

Bruh theres scalping bots that people sell for 1k

I had no idea people were this crazy

[radiant palm]

So I have been wondering what is a good range for cpu heat

[frank stirrup]

depends on ambient

[radiant palm]

It’s about 76 degrees ambient temp

[frank stirrup]

celcius?

[radiant palm]

I leave my window open and no no farehight

[frank stirrup]

tell me in celcius

[radiant palm]

But the cpu usually hovers around 35 celcioua

Celcioua

God I can’t spell today

[foggy hazel]

76F=25c

[radiant palm]

Thank you naed

[frank stirrup]

this is why the server naeds you.

your cpu shouldnt go over 70 degrees imo because 25 degrees ambient is pretty nice

[radiant palm]

Dope thank you vary much.

Wait is the 70 degrees in fairenhight or celcious

[frank stirrup]

celcius

[rich helm]

25c ambient is pretty decent

Do you have a aio I’m assuming

[still roost]

Romeodiazdeleon#8252 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[frank stirrup]

laughs in 45 degrees ambient

[rich helm]

Or just a cold room

[rich helm]

Same. 😦

[frank stirrup]

.

[frank stirrup]

pc go 85 degree

[rich helm]

Laughs in trying to get my 10600k to 5.1ghz and it hitting 100c

And then crashing after 5 sec stress test

[frank stirrup]

fans go WHOOOOOSH

[rich helm]

They ramp up then blue screen

Lol

1.55 volts be hot

[frank stirrup]

I run my cpu at 1.3

[rich helm]

Yeah I run it at 1.37

At 4.9 ghz

Cause it can’t do anything better

Trying to bin 10600ks but takes a long time

I try to get into windows with 5.0 ghz at 1.35 v and doesn’t work 😦