building-and-recc-chat

[brittle tinsel]

Dp and hdmi won’t display

[stoic island]

Okay, so mainly CPU accel tasks, not really GPU accel, correct?

[jovial cave]

correct.

[stoic island]

64gb of ram made the build more expensive than I thought, it'd be 2100$ for 5900x+3080, so I could step it down to a 3070 to fit in the budget.

[jovial cave]

geek squad tech stated that 3070 would increase capability up to 150%

[wanton cliff]

Geek squad is a bunch of losers

And nerds

[stoic island]

gah am4 vrm list still doesn't included b550

Welp, pre-change expensive build for you to look at to start off, OVER BUDGET FOR NOW, CAN SAVE COST ON A GOOD FEW PLACES
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jBxrCz

CPU and GPU costs are assuming you can get them at msrp, which isn't too hard if you have more than a week or two of free time to just have notifications

[brittle tinsel]

Well since the surge killed ram that means I lost drives gpu and cpu huh?

[jovial cave]

normally I do agree, however, Cory out of NE, seem pretty knowledgeble and understood my objective, without trying to push me to utilize their service.

[stoic island]

NE? Anyways, we are not representatives from Newegg, everyone that doesn't have a Newegg Staff role doesn't work for Newegg, and we are not affiliated with Newegg or Pcpartpicker, Pcpartpicker is a free utility that encompasses many retailers including Amazon, Newegg, Best buy, B&H, etc.

[jovial cave]

figure it would take about a month to assemble all, due to graphic card shortage.

thanks, that's good to know.

[azure sapphire]

Yo. I'm looking for a tower for 1,000 bucks. Anyone got some recommendations?

[stoic island]

Hell, that list had 0 parts that would be cheapest to buy from wegg lel

@azure sapphire Prebuilt or building yourself?

[jovial cave]

building myself.

[azure sapphire]

Pre-built.

[stoic island]

@jovial cave Well, easiest way to bring that list under budget (Currently 2100$ with MSRP prices) would be to step down from a 3080 to a 3070, and that gives you room if you have to pay extra for a 3070 because retailers being dumb.

[wanton cliff]

Look at Redux PCs

[jovial cave]

so I've heard.

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff keep in mind their GPU prices are also wack now

[wanton cliff]

Are they?

[jovial cave]

true, very true.

[wanton cliff]

I think Xotic PCs have some good ones then

Can’t customize as well afaik tho

[stoic island]

If refurb is an option, @azure sapphire
https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-r-9sd-010us/p/N82E16883152713R

xotic customizations are great wdym @wanton cliff

[wanton cliff]

I know their laptops are great but I’ve never seen customization for their PCs

[stoic island]

random one on xotic

[wanton cliff]

Damn that’s pretty good

Nvm

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff look at customizations on this
https://xoticpc.com/collections/g3-avenger/products/g3-avenger-z490

there's more that's hard to screenshot

[desert scarab]

Ayo how much thermal paste to put on cpu

Just a dot right

?

[stoic island]

more is better than not enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUWVVTY63hc

[jovial cave]

@stoic island was screen shot of list for me?

[frank stirrup]

as much as the tip of your finger in width

[stoic island]

nah, for someone else

[jovial cave]

got it.

[stoic island]

Sorry if you missed it, @jovial cave this is the list for you
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jBxrCz

and if you need to bring down cost into budget, a RTX 3070 for 500$ instead of the 3080 for 700$

[jovial cave]

ok, will check it out now.

[azure sapphire]

AMD or Intel?

[stoic island]

this one is Intel, mainly because this is the only <1000$ pc with a decent GPU
https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-r-9sd-010us/p/N82E16883152713R

[jovial cave]

@stoic island do you prefer AMD TO Intel?

[stoic island]

oh and also, @jovial cave with the B550 and Zen 3 warning, that motherboard has bios flashback, all you need is a usb stick with the new bios on it, rename file, stick it in, press button, easy updated bios

[stoic island]

very very situational

For you, Ryzen 5900x slams everything Intel has atm, since video editing and such is very multithread heavy

[jovial cave]

understood, good to know. Thanks!

[scenic quiver]

that exact thing im having to do tomorrow and im super nervous about it lol

[stoic island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

[scenic quiver]

i watched it, gained a bit of confidence from it.

[desert scarab]

uhhh

It doesn’t say the best way to do it

[slender owl]

So I went to open Cold War but it had an update so i let itupdate. Now i have to reinstall it. I have the files still installed on my PC though. Why is it reinstalling? is This the right chat for this?

[stoic island]

you want the best way?

X method

But the point of the video is that too much thermal paste has never killed anyone

[azure sapphire]

@stoic island I was looking at this and now I'm wondering which one is better https://buildredux.com/pages/build-your-pc?build=good

[stoic island]

simple answer, the RTX 2070 in the other prebuilt absolutely slaps a 1650

use this for quick comparisons
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php

[ripe wedge]

^

2070 destroys a 1650

only thing I dont like about that msi pc is the cpu

[stoic island]

Well, not too sure, but when I was playing warzone, it was giving like frequent like 20gb-40gb updates, I'm guessing it's just cod being cod

[ripe wedge]

and prolly some other things

[desert scarab]

Oh the x pattern method?

[stoic island]

Maybe just large update?

[azure sapphire]

The link you sent or the one I sent are upgrades compared to my current tower.

[stoic island]

Lemme find the video

@azure sapphire This (9700f+2070)
https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-r-9sd-010us/p/N82E16883152713R
against what you sent, (10400f+1650)
https://buildredux.com/pages/build-your-pc?build=good

[sharp tundra]

Yo guys

[stoic island]

more comprehensive guide thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc7bCC1TmVg

hi nomad

[sharp tundra]

I wrecked my car😎

[stoic island]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-engineer-gaming-gif-19532009

[wanton cliff]

I just do a dot

[stoic island]

oh

[wanton cliff]

Pea sized

[stoic island]

wrenched your car to wrecked your car is very different

uh

@wanton cliff watch the video tho, quite interesting, x method op

[wanton cliff]

Uses a lot of paste tho, no?

[sharp tundra]

I meant wrecked lol

I flipped it and landed in a tree, lol

[stoic island]

uh

is that a joke

[sharp tundra]

If you want it to be, sure

[stoic island]

You alright?

[sharp tundra]

Not a scratch

[jovial cave]

@stoic island list looks great, thank you. any other areas I should be alert to?

[stoic island]

I'm assuming just tips and tricks?

[jovial cave]

if possible, yes.

[stoic island]

For transferring data over from old PC to New, I'd try to move the important data over that's on the old boot drive to new SSD, and then format it, so windows doesn't screw with you for having multiple bootable drives.

And definitely get an extra usb drive if you don't have extras laying around

For the purchase, buy everything at the same time, aka. wait until you have the GPU to start buying everything else.

[jovial cave]

good idea, and I have several external hard drives available.

[stoic island]

The rationale for that is because you want to be within the 30-day return window in case anything arrives damaged/DoA (Dead on Arrival)

[stoic island]

Good nuff

[desert scarab]

That enough?

[stoic island]

covers most of the ihs

[desert scarab]

So good?

[stoic island]

yes

[desert scarab]

Oh also

I got just a little on the mobo

As u can see

To the left

that ok?

[stoic island]

@jovial cave Next, if you do go for that exact build, make sure to bookmark this page (page for the motherboard support, with downloads and the manual) If you go for a different board, bookmark whatever page the other motherboard has. It'll make things simplier for checking the online manual or anything.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B550-A-PRO

@desert scarab just wipe it off, otherwise it'll be fine

[brittle tinsel]

Since my psu surge, i discovered my ram is dead does that mean my gpu is dead too?
I was gonna use that as an encoder gpu

[stoic island]

Who knows, electricity is weird

Need to test it separately

[little osprey]

guys 32gb ddr4 3200 or 16gb ddr4 3600 which would be better

[jovial cave]

On top of it. Have bookmarked all suggested pages and resources. Thanks!

[stoic island]

@jovial cave For whatever you do go for, get a fresh usb drive (formatted to fat32), download the most recent non-beta bios file for it, and rename it as according to whatever the motherboard manual says. For MSI, you rename the file to "MSI.ROM". And when you have everything ready, follow the instructions, like in this video from MSI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

[stoic island]

What chip, and for what purposes?

[brittle tinsel]

Will that damage anything I have on the new pc?

[little osprey]

R7 5800x and gaming

[quasi snow]

the 16gb then

[stoic island]

And you'll be able to find the most recent bios file from the motherboard support page

@little osprey well, what resolution will you game at?

[little osprey]

1080p mostly

[stoic island]

I'd get 2x8 3600mhz for 1080p, 2x16 3200mhz for 1440p/2160p as those start to use more ram

ick

[little osprey]

thanks

[stoic island]

I keep remembering 4k as 2560p for some reason

[little osprey]

lmao

[stoic island]

2560x1440 and 3440x2160

gets me confused

[muted patio]

4k is really 2K lol

[stoic island]

Yea

confused mr1 is the result

[jagged ember]

So the other is 1440

[viral ore]

its 2160p

1440p

[jagged ember]

And the 4k is 4k

[viral ore]

1080p

[stoic island]

mhm

[jagged ember]

Oh

We're using pixel counts

[stoic island]

Pixel count is useful

[viral ore]

no one says 2k and if you do ur dumb

cuz no one cares

[jagged ember]

2k is like

Such a weird term

[viral ore]

a sales pitch

[jovial cave]

depends on which HD format your shooting for.

[viral ore]

hence why we dont use it

[stoic island]

2k is just annoying and confusing

[muted patio]

1080p, 1440p, then 4K. Like, just call it 2160p

[stoic island]

4k at least we know it's 3440x2160

[jagged ember]

Yeah honestly

[viral ore]

?

3840, right?

[jagged ember]

1080, 1440, 2160

[stoic island]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[jagged ember]

Wait no

[viral ore]

yeah lol

[jagged ember]

Aaaaaaaa

[stoic island]

you see how much I look at 1440p panels now?

[viral ore]

lol

fair

[stoic island]

I mixed up both dimensions of 4k monitor with 1440p numbers

[cursive wharf]

why pcpp fun

[jagged ember]

1440 is the sweet spot

[stoic island]

lol

[stoic island]

tasty b die

[brittle tinsel]

Do I need to reset the cmos before adding old ram bac?

[cursive wharf]

bdie go brrr

[stoic island]

It's a good step in case ram profiles got wack

but it might not be necessary

[jagged ember]

I'd do it anyways

Profiles can get confused

[jovial cave]

for a sellable product output, you have to have variable formats.

[brittle tinsel]

well the “new” ram never posted or anything

The old ram is what was in it before

[stoic island]

Yes, but the mobo likely still tried to train the memory or something like that

[jagged ember]

Maybe it was just training

So if you gave it time it might boot

[stoic island]

@jovial cave more advice: DDR stands for double data rate, so when checking ram frequency, some programs will tell you the "operating frequency", or the true frequency the ram runs at, like 3600MT/s transfer rate (3600'mhz') is 1800mhz operating frequency. To check memory frequency and timings, CPU-Z is a nice software. For monitoring everything else, hwinfo64 is a great software.
And to get your ram running at advertised speeds, you'll want to enable XMP in the bios.

[jagged ember]

Tech tips

[stoic island]

indeed, it's tecc tips hour

[jovial cave]

got it, will pay attention to listed benchmarks.

[stoic island]

Eh, not quite benchmarks, they're monitoring software :)

quik screenshot from my cpuz for example

[jovial cave]

ok, my bad, please, enlighten me. ahhhh. got it.

[stoic island]

@celest horizon also, how the hell does this ram fluxuate realtime between 533 and 1064mhz

I don't understand

[jagged ember]

Cpu z nice to see these details with

[stoic island]

and I've made sure I'm staring at DRAM frequency not northbridge

[jagged ember]

Hwinfo is more for monitoring temps

[celest horizon]

idk why it downclocks

But 2133 is pretty fast for ddr3

[stoic island]

it's ddr3l or whatever it's called

[celest horizon]

2133 at cl10 is very fast for regular consumer hardware

2000c8 is like, $30/ 2GB stick today

[jovial cave]

saved scrn shot. Thanks.

[stoic island]

LPDDR3

[celest horizon]

Must be a measurement error

No way it's running 2133 wit flat 10's on some prebuilt setup

[stoic island]

laptop

@celest horizon the timings fluctuate too

it's betweel 1033c10 and 2133c16 it seems

[celest horizon]

ya, that's just cpuz not playing well with whatever platform that is

Never seen that kind of error before

You could try running asrock timing configurator

also that's an old version of cpuz

but shouldn't matter

[stoic island]

Ignore music

@jovial cave by the way, this isn't how ram should behave, my laptop ram is just being weird, your ram should stay at one frequency and timing

[jovial cave]

got it, understood. I am strictly desktop user due to nature of production pipeline.

@stoic island my heart felt thanks to everyone, you have made my objective and chosen goal, a far less burden, and terrifying prospect.

[stoic island]

:)

I'll be around for any more questions, so will any of the yellow named people, etc

[jagged ember]

In techies we trust

[jovial cave]

Always, 'Wideus,' always. Will do, Mr1111, have a good night everyone!

[stoic island]

You too!

[sharp tundra]

I've came to a very down to earth thought

I now have a reason to buy my motorcycle

Lol

[muted patio]

I have 8

Just do it

[sharp tundra]

Ight, all I needed to hear

Like why have a crappy honda when I can have a sleek Kawasaki z900

[potent portal]

Go for it, they're tons of fun and sip gas compared to cars

[sharp tundra]

I wish I could show you guys my car, it's not looking to hot😬

[muted patio]

My 1290 gets 50-60 MPG lol

Wife's MT-10 gets 30

:/

Don't assume just because it's a bike it will get good mileage XD

[jagged ember]

'sip'

[sharp tundra]

Well it'll sip if you don't enjoy speed like me

[jagged ember]

Don't they sip less if you cruise at high speeds

[sharp tundra]

Not really

[jagged ember]

Oh

[muted patio]

Depends on the bike. The Yamaha my wife rides gets 30 no matter how she rides it

[sharp tundra]

People think that faster you go the more gas you use, it's actually quite the opposite, for cars and bikes

[jagged ember]

Also ur pfp isn't right,nomad

You don't have an asp explorer infront of it

[sharp tundra]

Bro, everyone knows the cobra 3 is the literal best ship

[jagged ember]

It is

But asp is the in front of everything ship

And plus it's not so great if it's not engineered

[sharp tundra]

If I'm correct the original photo had an Anaconda and another ship flying next to it

But i cropped it put for the pfp

[jagged ember]

Ic

Fair enough

Once I get engineering after getting thru personal narrative then I'm switching back to cobra

Or maybe not, who knows

[sharp tundra]

I'm on that dummy fed grind

[jagged ember]

I am just grinding money

Not efficiently, but just doing it

Probably a chieftain next

[sharp tundra]

YES

[jagged ember]

Which costs exactly the amount of money I have lmao

#general-chat ?

[sharp tundra]

Absolute goid destroyer

Ew, what's general chat

[jagged ember]

Not build related anymore lol

[sharp tundra]

I like to put the biggest fuel scoop on my ships I can

There, now it's build related

Lol

[jagged ember]

Lol I just attach a 2a fuel scoop

[sharp tundra]

I'd prefer not to fill up a 128tonn tank with a scoop that collects at .2tonns/sec

[desert scarab]

Yo

@stoic island

[jagged ember]

Chaos

[desert scarab]

I plugged in the addr but where do I put that

[stoic island]

uh

[jagged ember]

Also is tjat

Fabric table

[stoic island]

not sure, male header should probably be plugged into another connector..?

[sharp tundra]

No, it's to plug another argb into it

[muted patio]

It's just a splitter for connecting other things

[desert scarab]

so I leave it?

[muted patio]

Doesn't HAVE to be used

[jagged ember]

Is it rgb?

[desert scarab]

yea

[muted patio]

just leave it

[jagged ember]

Eg

Don't need it

[desert scarab]

Alr ty

[sharp tundra]

It's used to plug other rgb into it so you aren't just using that header for your cooler

[jagged ember]

I scoop fuel when my tank is down a few units only

[sharp tundra]

Corsair does something similar with their aios

[jagged ember]

Granted, I've never gone on a long voyage

[sharp tundra]

It's still terrible

I have a 5a on my dbx and it still takes ages

[jagged ember]

lol i also only have asp explorer with no fuel tank upgrades

speaking of upgrades, i should invest in thruster upgrade

[sharp tundra]

EnGiNeErEd FuEl TaNk

[jagged ember]

lmao

the current shield meta is pretty wack tho

people say engineering really broke the game

[stoic island]

@muted patio by the way, didn't you have a software that told you if drivers needed to be updated?

[sharp tundra]

Shields are goofy

You have some ships that can't wvwn get hit with a pebble before the shield breaks, amd then you have the cutter, can literally be hit by a nuke and not even dent its shield banks

[jagged ember]

especially if you've got engineered shields with like every shield booster possible

[sharp tundra]

Yurp

[stoic island]

wat

[sharp tundra]

ED talk

[stoic island]

ah

[jagged ember]

Frontier pls fix engineering

but no, they go work on shooty pew pew

[stoic island]

thought it was stellaris talk for a moment lel

[jagged ember]

and it's lookin not great from the trailer released weeks before launch

[sharp tundra]

I really wanted to try star citizen, but that game is still trying to download to this day, and they make you pay like $45 to even do anything in the game

[jagged ember]

oof

sounds painful

[sharp tundra]

They've been working on that game for 5 years amd ita still in alpha

They say, "We don't want to release the game until it is completely finished

So basically it's gonna be an alpha game until it's done

[muted patio]

I do not

[desert scarab]

When there are standoffs in the case

The screws are there?

Or no

[jagged ember]

You screw mobo onto the standoffs

[desert scarab]

uh the case didn’t come w screws

@jagged ember

[jagged ember]

might be in the bags that came with the mobo

[desert scarab]

Lemme see

[potent portal]

Screws usually come with the case. They'll send you some if you complain, sometimes they get left out.

[desert scarab]

Uh I don’t think it came w any

[rich helm]

Did you check behind the rear panel in a hard drive cage or zip tied to the mobo tray

[brittle tinsel]

Is there a way to test my gpu without plugging it in? Like with electrician tools, it suffered a psu surge and the ram didn’t work, I know someone that said they have a tool that will test in the electric circuit is open or damaged

[desert gulch]

not rly

[potent portal]

There's specialized tools I'm sure but nothing a consumer could use. Only way to test for most is to try swapping into a known good system.

[brittle tinsel]

My brother doesn’t want me to test the gpu in case it screws up the pc since he tried my ram we still haven’t got it to boot even with his parts

I reset the cmos and am gonna hook it up and try a boot now

[desert gulch]

testing your gpu in his system wouldnt screw his system up

like just to see if it posts

[brittle tinsel]

Well it suffered a surge could i just plug it in and see if the fans come on or does it need to connect to a mobo to turn on?

[hollow grail]

sometimes it can

[desert gulch]

ig but bean

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DhZYz7

What type of power supply should I get for this budget build?

[desert gulch]

segotep

also one thing

you know a b560 cant oc a cpu right?

[little osprey]

Oh okay

What type of motherboard should I get then

[desert gulch]

z490 if you want to take advantgae of the k at the end of 10600k

also

isnt 50 bucks for a 250gig ssd kinda overpriced?

I could buy a @hollow grail labs plan for a couple of those

[desert gulch]

whats your budget for the build?

like 1000 for the pc?

[little osprey]

1300

[desert gulch]

oh ok

gaming only?

[little osprey]

Gaming and school

[desert gulch]

or editing and streaming and stuff

o

kk

[little osprey]

I want to run my school stuff really fast, but also be good for smooth gaming

[desert gulch]

ight

i can make a quick list

[little osprey]

Thanks

I want it to run really fast and would like some nice frame rates, so maybe a really nice gpu??

[desert gulch]

yup

wifi needed?

[desert gulch]

?

wifi needed?

[little osprey]

I’ll have to double check, we can include it for now

[desert gulch]

ok

to check all you have to do if see if you have a working ethernet port in the area pc is going

[little osprey]

Nope

[desert gulch]

ok

then we'll throw in wifi

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y3qsfP

this is what ive come up with

anyone else feel free to critique it

[little osprey]

Wow this is great

Thanks

[desert gulch]

yup np

that ram is a bit over usual price

so just assuming itll go back down

[little osprey]

So if I wanted to en cost efficient, would the best thing to do is wait for gpu price to drop also?

[desert gulch]

yeah best case scenario

you buy gpu first

so just wait for a gpu at decent price

and buy it

then buy rest of parts after that gpu is confirmed coming

[little osprey]

Ok

[brittle tinsel]

Which gpus have the new rtx 264 encoder?

[wispy plinth]

My PC is fixed

[pliant lake]

Do you mean Nvenc? if so all 16, 20 and 30 series have it, except for select 1650 cards.

[brittle tinsel]

I thought 10 series had NVENC too? Google said something about an obs option “rtx 264”

[earnest olive]

nvenc was introduced with the 600 series

but not all nvenc is created equal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_NVENC

chart of which GPUs have nvenc

from what i hear turing nvenc is significantly better than older ones

never heard of rtx 264

but it sounds like nvenc being marketed differently

[brittle tinsel]

But which cards have 7th gen encoders

[earnest olive]

ampere

30 series

pretty sure ampere encoder is pretty much the same as turing encoder though

afaik the main difference is that ampere gets AV1 decode

[brittle tinsel]

Would a 3070 be able to stream warzone without a massive FPS drop?

[desert gulch]

while playing what res?

[brittle tinsel]

I was gonna use my 1060 3gb as a dedicated encoder but I’m 99% sure it got fried in the surge

[brittle tinsel]

120080

1080p

Damn phone

[desert gulch]

bruh

1080p on warzone ez with 3070

[brittle tinsel]

While streaming?

[desert gulch]

i play on 1080 with my card maxed out graphics getting 144 fps

no

i dont stream

nor do i have encoders

[brittle tinsel]

Because warzone uses 90-95% of a 3080

[desert gulch]

not if you lock frame rate to 144 on 1080p

which im assuming youd do

[brittle tinsel]

I would, but the bench I watched didn’t

[desert gulch]

yeah

benchmarks dont lock fpis

so you can see the max

thats the whole point

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

Would using x264 or x265 what ever it is, kill frame rates if using a 5900x? I mean it’s a 12 core cpu and I don’t think games use more than 4-6

[brittle tinsel]

Oh I get it now your on amd

It took me a monute

Minute

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[brittle tinsel]

You confused me when you said you didn’t have encoders then I read your nick

[desert gulch]

oh lol

yeah i can stream

just puts more stress on cpu

[brittle tinsel]

Ah, have you tried it?

[desert gulch]

yeah

mainly i have no intrest in it

cause if i did id prolly woulda gone 2070s

[brittle tinsel]

Were the FPS decent at least or no?

And if so what game

[desert gulch]

while streaming?

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah

[desert gulch]

uhhh i streamed msfs2020 at 1080p 60 and didnt take like any perf hit

[brittle tinsel]

Curious on amd capabilities, never used amd before

[desert gulch]

still at like 45-55 fps while playing

[brittle tinsel]

Was the stream choppy?

[desert gulch]

nah

i watched it while playing

super smooth

but that was out in the middle of nowhere

in cities it gets way more cpu heavy

[brittle tinsel]

So a 5900x will have no problem streaming and gaming especially warzone because I’ve heard msfs 2020 is hard to run

[desert gulch]

so i woulda taken a hit there

oh yeah no problem

could do it easily on a 5800x aswell

[brittle tinsel]

Yeah, my problem is trying to find stock on both 30 series and 5900x

Newegg had some at 10:30pm est but was out of stock fast af didn’t get to pick one up, and I didn’t get picked on the shuffle lol

I’ve got bad luck with all of this

I have bad luck in general

The gpu I was gonna use as a temporary card from my old build died so I need a new gpu to even boot the new pc if I get 5900x because I don’t think amd has igpu

[desert gulch]

i doubt you need a 5900x

for streaming and gamign

[brittle tinsel]

Oh no it’s for other uses as well

Scripting and compiling mainly

[desert gulch]

ohhh ok

im not expirienced with those so ill take your word for it

that a 5900x would work nice

but yeah 5900x is top of the line amd gaming cpu rn

[earnest olive]

if you can't find 5900x

10850k is only $319 now

[brittle tinsel]

My old i5 3570 would take 15-20 minutes to compile 1k lines of code

[earnest olive]

might be worth considering

[desert gulch]

seems like a deal

hows it compete against a 5600x?

since thats in a similar price range

[earnest olive]

similar gaming

much better MT ofc since 6c vs 10c

[desert gulch]

better mt?

[earnest olive]

but

[desert gulch]

yeah

[earnest olive]

multithreaded

[desert gulch]

10 cores pog

[earnest olive]

intel platform cost is higher so

[desert gulch]

mhmm

[earnest olive]

5600x is still in a different price class

[desert gulch]

since youd want a z490

[earnest olive]

but still really solid deal

[desert gulch]

and a 5600x can run on a cheap b550

max

i have a suggestion

[earnest olive]

?

[desert gulch]

you should hang out with ur gf if shes right next to you

lol

[brittle tinsel]

? Where did that come from

[desert gulch]

he said his gf was next to him a bit earlier

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

[desert gulch]

so i told him if shes there he should hang out with her

[earnest olive]

yeah she was busy making keycaps

[brittle tinsel]

Ah gfs are overrated

[jagged ember]

No u

[earnest olive]

i'm gonna go now

[desert gulch]

ight

have fun

[cursive wharf]

used 3900x be like $350 or smth tho, another option to think about

[little wing]

...

[brittle tinsel]

Wait, does the Arctic liquid freezer II come with thermal paste?

If you respond to this I’m headed to bed please send dm thanks

[vapid bay]

Yes it does

Comes with a lil mx-4 good for one application

[warm swift]

did they make a 980 pro 2tb ssd?

[vapid bay]

Search if there is

Google knows alot of things

[warm swift]

your right

[magic marten]

Can anyone tell me whats the measurement of the power supply space inside the Asus Case ROG Z11 (mini-ITX)

I want to know if a 'Dark Power Pro 12' from Be Quiet! would fix inside

[worn wave]

I do believe a ATX PSU would fit

[little osprey]

Maximum PSU Length
160 mm (ATX or SFX)

[magic marten]

cool thanks, I plan to use a mini computer then a laptop since its so small

[brittle tinsel]

Since I swapped the ram in my brothers pc it wouldn’t display so we put the old ram in and now it still won’t post

Do PCs normally do this or is his dead?

[little osprey]

what ram, what mobo

[sullen spoke]

check that the ram is in correct slots and installed all the way, could try reseating the ram, if the motherboard has any debug lights, beep codes, q codes etc. could also try clearing cmos

can also try booting it with 1 stick, and check compatibility with the ram you tried to install

[brittle tinsel]

Intel h81 gaming, and some knock of ram

It worked just fine then I put my ram in from my old pc and it wouldn’t post, put his ram back in and still won’t post

[brittle tinsel]

There is only 2 slots available, I reset the cmos upon new ram installation and old ram installation, no debug lights or beep codes

[sullen spoke]

Ye try 1 stick at a time in the first slot, also can you send a picture of mobo and ram

[brittle tinsel]

1 sec I just sent him in to test it after reseating the ram

One stock had a much more crisp snap compared to last night

The ram from my pc %100 died in the surge his pc is working now so I don’t know

[wicked frigate]

Guys 5600x is $279.99 in micro center

[brittle tinsel]

Damn I don’t have a micro center

I don’t think there is one in Florida

But if so it’s probably 5 hours away down in Orlando or something

[wanton cliff]

florida man

[wicked frigate]

What’s 4KB Random read

[wanton cliff]

wdym?

you doing a crystal disk bench or something?

[wicked frigate]

Umm on a sata drive it says that

[wanton cliff]

oh

[muted patio]

Just a small file benchmark

[wicked frigate]

Is larger the better

[wanton cliff]

its just a bench

[wicked frigate]

Like 90,000 iops

Ohh so does it matter

Idk

I am new so I don’t much

[wanton cliff]

I know you are new

Ive had to help you a thousand times

[wicked frigate]

Yah ik

[wanton cliff]

a good percentage of my messages here are addressed to you

[wicked frigate]

But I don’t know this

[muted patio]

It's irrelevant for the most part

Just a number

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Thx

Should I get seagate ssd

Or barracuda

[wanton cliff]

no

[wicked frigate]

And brand

[wanton cliff]

NO

[wicked frigate]

But which one

Why

[wanton cliff]

seagate it to be avoided

especially their overpriced, generic SSDs

[wicked frigate]

But it has insane read and write speed for a sata

[wanton cliff]

why not just get NVMe?

[muted patio]

Sata is limited by the bus

[muted patio]

Not the drive

[wicked frigate]

That

[wanton cliff]

you can get a NVMe for half that price that is 6 times as fast, minimum

[muted patio]

Thos drives are identical for all intents and purposes

[wicked frigate]

Wait is it cause I has a higher failure rate

?

[wanton cliff]

amongst other things

also overpriced as hell

[muted patio]

You can get 1 TB NVME for that price

[wicked frigate]

It’s 100 for a tb

[wanton cliff]

customer service leaves a bit to be desires

[wicked frigate]

A little less

[rich helm]

Yeah there are 100 for terabyte with better drives

[wicked frigate]

Like

[wanton cliff]

Coughs in P31 gold

[muted patio]

1 TB NVME is the same price and 5 times faster

[muted patio]

That was a 24 hour sale

[wanton cliff]

was it?

rip

[muted patio]

Yes

[wanton cliff]

Pilot E time then

[rich helm]

Ryan says helix L is 95

[muted patio]

Helix L slow

[rich helm]

That’s nvme right?

Oh

[muted patio]

Pilot E good

[lyric thistle]

SATA drives are still good but if you have NVMe capable slots, populate them

[wicked frigate]

What

[rich helm]

Pilot e then

[muted patio]

Pilot E is 3500/3000 for $109

[wanton cliff]

speed

[wicked frigate]

So I shouldn’t buy

[muted patio]

Helix is 2500/1700

[rich helm]

Get pilot e

[lyric thistle]

I don't have NVMe capable storage slots, so I get to play with SATA

[rich helm]

6 times faster basically

[wicked frigate]

Is that m.2

[wanton cliff]

yeah

[rich helm]

Yes

[wanton cliff]

why

[wicked frigate]

I have an sn850

[wanton cliff]

you should have 2 M.2 slots

[wicked frigate]

Ik

[muted patio]

You can get a PCI-E riser card

For a x4 or x16 slot

[rich helm]

Well then use the other slot

[muted patio]

To use M.2 drives

[lyric thistle]

Only got x1s

[wanton cliff]

or get one of those honeybadger type things

[wicked frigate]

And get which one

[lyric thistle]

3 of them, but one will be obscured by my new gpu

[muted patio]

Eh, never mind then

[rich helm]

Mushkin Pilot e

[muted patio]

M.2's need 4 PCI-E lanes

[wicked frigate]

Ok I’ll see

[wanton cliff]

what board do you have, Maniac?

[wicked frigate]

But I need a sata in my other one

[wanton cliff]

why?

[wicked frigate]

I don’t have an m.2 slot

I only have an hdd

[wanton cliff]

an NVMe will run in a SATA configuration if needed

[wicked frigate]

Nothing else

[lyric thistle]

Actually, there's x2 drives, and they can run on x2, can't they?

[wanton cliff]

what motherboard do you have

[muted patio]

WDYM

[lyric thistle]

A Lenovo H81 board

[muted patio]

x2 is speed

[wanton cliff]

[muted patio]

Lanes are different

[wicked frigate]

Old

[wanton cliff]

based board

FM1

[muted patio]

Lanes are physical electrical connections, x2 is speed rating

[wicked frigate]

Ye

So should I get the seagate sata for this

It’s like 95

For a Tb

[lyric thistle]

In a two lane M.2 slot

[rich helm]

Seagate is ehh at least in the hard drive sector

[muted patio]

What board we talking about here?

[wicked frigate]

I am talking about the sata

Not hdd

[lyric thistle]

Didn't they have them in the Haswell days

On Z97s and such

Two lane M.2 slots

[muted patio]

I don't think so

I'm checking tho

[rich helm]

Is the mx500 good?

[muted patio]

It's fine, yes

[lyric thistle]

I probably would've gone for MX500 if I didn't get a Blue 3D

[muted patio]

Interesting, they were 2 lanes only. In which case, just stick with SATA.

[still roost]

blaze#0001 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[median sail]

Is it bad I miss my crap setup from when I was a kid

[lyric thistle]

You could get like 1-2GB/s tho

You should absolutely miss it

[lyric thistle]

PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 respectively

[mint skiff]

Hi, New here. Im trying to put together a kit for a desktop that can be used for video editing at a school. I need to keep it under $1700. Im hopeing to include this:Intel Core i7-10700K Comet Lake 8-Core 3.8 GHz LGA 1200 125W Desktop Processor w/ Intel UHD Graphics 630 but not sure how to piece together the rest of the kits compatibility. I wrote customer support and they sent me here..

[muted patio]

is there a reason you're stuck on Intel?

Just AMD availability?

[sullen spoke]

wow microcenter has 5600x for 270?

[wicked frigate]

When are stocks going to be normal can’t get my cpu

Ye

I said that earlier if anyone wanted

[sullen spoke]

so many deals lately

[wicked frigate]

Like

??

[muted patio]

Look at the deal though

It's kinda spoop

[sullen spoke]

xD

[wicked frigate]

Where

[muted patio]

They have the 5600x MSRP listed at $449

[wicked frigate]

Lol

[muted patio]

down to $270

[wicked frigate]

We have it as 300

[muted patio]

It's $299

so

meh

[sullen spoke]

ye i think they list 9900k as sale from 650 to 250 xD

[muted patio]

Yeah

[wicked frigate]

What

That’s insane

[muted patio]

That's just bad advertising

I HATE things like that

[wicked frigate]

Lol

Just want more people to buy

[muted patio]

That's not needed for 5000 series

[sullen spoke]

lot of companies do that, you just have to be mindful of what the true value is. another i know is for years amazon say at2020 on sale 170usd to 99usd

[muted patio]

Any particular reason for going Intel?

Not going to game on it?

[sharp tundra]

Hey, so could someone throw together a PC for photo rendering for $700?

Just make it better than a Mac book pro, lol

[muted patio]

Should do the trick, no GPU because no games, well under $1700 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zCZR8J

[sharp tundra]

$1700?

[muted patio]

Not needed with no GPU

[sharp tundra]

Oh wait

That's not mine

[mint skiff]

SActually AMD would be fine. No gaming just Adobe Premiere video editing.

[rich helm]

If there was decent gpu availability would you get gpu to do nvenc encoder?

[rich helm]

You would need gpu graphics output on amd

[rich helm]

If you want ultra pc you could put a 10900k better cooler and more ram if you wanted to use the whole budget lol

[mint skiff]

Damn hugely helpful,, Thank you!!!

[sharp tundra]

@muted patio could you put together a photo rendering PC for me for $700

It just needs to be better than a MacBook pro

[rich helm]

This is pretty good

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xzpGMv

[wanton cliff]

eh

[sharp tundra]

No GPU?

[wanton cliff]

yeah

where is GPU

[rich helm]

Do you need gpu for photo editing i didn’t know that

[sharp tundra]

I would assume

[wanton cliff]

didnt know it was for photo editing

[sharp tundra]

It's for someone who does this professionally

And I need something that will make them not buy a macbook

[wanton cliff]

for photo editing, more money is going to be spent on peripherals than the actual system

[mint skiff]

isnt a GPU needed for video editing?

[wanton cliff]

Photo editing or video editing?

[sharp tundra]

Photo editing and rendering

[wanton cliff]

photo editing takes the processing power of a potato

video editing can take a metric crapton more

[muted patio]

Not required but can help. Given the current GPU market, there's plenty of room to add one there, whatever you can find.

[mint skiff]

I guess my challenge is findng one that is compatible with the CPU and MB, yes?

[wanton cliff]

compatibility with the CPU and motherboard isnt an issue

bottnecks are

any GPU from the last decade will be compatible but some will hold the system back significantly

from 5 or more years back, perhaps

[stoic island]

Don't scare people with "bottlenecks" being an issue :p

[wanton cliff]

dont worry about it too much tho

[muted patio]

The word "bottleneck" should be wiped from existence

[wanton cliff]

eh

disagree

its a useful term in some cases

[muted patio]

No

It's a terrible word

[stoic island]

It's not an issue like compatibility, and the gpu "bottlenecking" the system in a VIDEO EDITING load is quite minimal

[wanton cliff]

true

kinda forgot about the video editing aspect

[stoic island]

Bottleneck itself is a horrendous word for what it actually means for systems

[wanton cliff]

its overused to be sure

but in a modern gaming load, for example, a GT 710 will bottlneck a system with, say, a 10600k

[stoic island]

The concept is good, we should know about when one part holds another back, but just "your cpu bottlenecks your gpu" or any statement like that is just... Horrible... For how little it explains, and how bad the word makes it seem

@wanton cliff yes, but bottleneck is often used in cases where it really shouldn't be used

For example, common one, 3700x and 3070

People will argue both ways

[wanton cliff]

thats about what I run

some games the CPU is used more, some games the 3070 is used more

[stoic island]

Some will say CPU BOTTLENECKS GPU IN GAMING, some will say CPU WILL BE FINE GPU LIMITS FPS

[wanton cliff]

not really any significant enough bottlnecks to speak of

[stoic island]

Its just

[wanton cliff]

simply not as much utilization of one part

[stoic island]

The term shouldn't be used imo, you and I know how to use it and what it may mean, most others don't

Need more specific terms if possible

[wanton cliff]

like?

[muted patio]

A GT710 won't bottleneck anything, it simply has poor performance.

[stoic island]

For example, CPU bound for Premier

[muted patio]

CPu wil still run at full speed, so will the ram and the drives

[stoic island]

GPU bound for mining

Those could be useful

But again, I just want the word to disappear when we're talking about things like 3700x+3070, it'll be fine

[muted patio]

Bottleneck implies that one component is going to slow down another. It doesn't. Which is why the term is terrible.

[wanton cliff]

say you are trying to play Forza or something, which is a pretty balanced game

actually wait

bad example

hmmm

trying to piece words together but

eh

I see what you mean, kinda

[stoic island]

Layman's perspective: my gpu bottlenecks my cpu, therefore only half of my cpu is being used, I paid for the full cpu I want to use the full cpu!!!

[wanton cliff]

in depth expert perspective?

[stoic island]

Our perspective: horrible term, need numbers and testing

Actual experts, probably won't talk to us

:p

[wanton cliff]

kekw

how long have you been doing computers, 1111?

jeez cant spell today

[stoic island]

About a year and a month now?

Using join date of wegg as good starting point

[wanton cliff]

and you are already so knowedgable

how did that happen

[stoic island]

I am not

[wanton cliff]

in comparison to me

[stoic island]

So you go look at computers for a year and you'll be me too

[wanton cliff]

everything is relative

[wanton cliff]

ive been looking at computers for about that amount of time

[twilit salmon]

I’ve been messing with them and looking at stuff about them for about 2 years and barely know anything still XD

[stoic island]

Be active and willing to learn

[wanton cliff]

I mean, I'm not completely dumb about computers, but I've still got a lot to learn

[stoic island]

The skill gap between me and you is probably smaller than you thought

[wanton cliff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

youve been here longer

you've been in the presence of forks for longer lmao

[stoic island]

I believe I also have sent the most messages in this server out of everyone lol

[wanton cliff]

I believe Tomie is the only exception

tomie and ghosty

[stoic island]

Oh damn tomie catched back up in total messages sent

I'm active in bursts so I get less xp, I go by total messages sent

Tomie is 2k total messages above me

[wanton cliff]

heh

[stoic island]

1k*

[wanton cliff]

I'm sure Naed would be higher than you by now if he wasnt on his hiatus

[stoic island]

Anyways, I talk to everyone and learn from everyone

Nah, I was above Naed when he was active

Naed is just treasure trove of info, but not as active

[wanton cliff]

heh

how long has he been in the computer business

jeez, I've raised 40 levels since he left

[sullen spoke]

[quasi hemlock]

I just started building my pc, I put the Ryzen cpu in the socket but it's so loose that it could fall out if I tilted my motherboard. Can someone explain why?

[stoic island]

Probably 20+ years

@quasi hemlock there's a lever on the side of the socket

[quasi hemlock]

yes

[stoic island]

Lift it up when installing, lift it down after the chip is installed

[quasi hemlock]

ok

[sullen spoke]

the cpu should just slip into place on the socket, the lever to secure it

[stoic island]

That controls a mechanism that'll hold the chip down

[quasi hemlock]

thx

[stoic island]

:)

[quasi hemlock]

also the ssd m.2 port is on the back, any suggestions on how to access that without damaging the board

oh, I think they actually might be under heat lowering systems

I can just see them underneath

[wanton cliff]

what board

[quasi hemlock]

the motherboard

[muted patio]

MATX or ITX I bet

[wanton cliff]

yeah

which motherboard

[stoic island]

Which motherboard

[wanton cliff]

lmao

[stoic island]

The model

[quasi hemlock]

ah

ROG-STRIX

[wanton cliff]

-_-

[quasi hemlock]

is that specific enough

[wanton cliff]

no

[stoic island]

Need full name

[wanton cliff]

^

[quasi hemlock]

what specifically then

[stoic island]

Example: ROG Strix B550-f

[muted patio]

Like, Asus B450-F ROG Strix

[wanton cliff]

or ROG Strix B550-E

[quasi hemlock]

oh, ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming (wifi)

[wanton cliff]

you have 2 M.2 slots

one just above the PCIe 16x slot, one by the bottom

the bottom one, I believe, is Sata

[stoic island]

Maybe you forgot to unscrew the heatsink thing?

[wanton cliff]

correct me if Im wrong

[quasi hemlock]

that's what I think it is

the heat thing

[stoic island]

I don't think any b550 boards have sata only m.2 slots

Unscrew the heatsink

[quasi hemlock]

ok

[wanton cliff]

SATA modes

[stoic island]

It's pcie AND sata

Not sata only

[wanton cliff]

thats what it says

[stoic island]

Ye, both slots can be NVMe

[wanton cliff]

heres a better picture of exactly where they are

[mighty sapphire]

Can anyone help me out with something in bios?

[wanton cliff]

sure

what

XMP speeds?

what board what kit

[lyric thistle]

Pretty soon low end gpus will go in m.2 slot

[wanton cliff]

one M.2 GPU already exists

[mighty sapphire]

I updated it and it went fine, restarted and everything so I was changing the memory frequency back to 3600 and restarted and now nothing will come on

[lyric thistle]

Oo

[wanton cliff]

updated?

[hazy rune]

@mighty sapphire Which motherboard do you have?

[wanton cliff]

why did you update your BIOS?

[stoic island]

Iirc not actual gpu, it uses a protocol that used cpu iGPU

[mighty sapphire]

B450 pro gaming

[mighty sapphire]

Issues with graphics card not working

[wanton cliff]

[mighty sapphire]

The update went fine, came right back on

Just when I was redoing my settings I dunno what happened

[mighty sapphire]

It was like 3 years out of date

[hazy rune]

Try taking out your CMOS battery and waiting 30 seconds, put it back in. It will reset your bios settings.

It won’t undo any updates

[wanton cliff]

has the B450-A even been around 3 years??

[mighty sapphire]

CMOS battery?

[wanton cliff]

under your GPU

there is a little button battery

[hazy rune]

Do you know what a watch battery looks like?

[wanton cliff]

turn PSU power off, unplug cable, take CMOS battery out

press power button a few times

wait 10 minutes or so

put battery back in

turn PSU back on and put cable in

see what happens

[hazy rune]

Also hold your power button with the psu off

It will drain some of the static

Before you do anything

[wanton cliff]

this is what it looks like

[mighty sapphire]

Okay

[wanton cliff]

I said that

[hazy rune]

I said hold 🙂

[muted patio]

That does nothing for static, FYI. Just empties the caps in the PSU that may be holding a charge, meaning you can leave the battery out for less time to clear the CMOS.

[hazy rune]

Good to know

[wanton cliff]

holding and pushing it a few times is basically the same effect

[lyric thistle]

Same story as opening the bios

Some people spam the key

I just hold it down

[mighty sapphire]

Okay I got it out just waiting now

Would putting a whole new battery in help?

[muted patio]

No

You're taking the battery out to clear the settings

So you can reboot

[lyric thistle]

Battery is still good

[mighty sapphire]

Okay it worked!

Thank you guys!!!

Should I just leave the memory frequency/dram alone then? It’s at 2133 right now and I have the 3600

[wanton cliff]

2133 slow

try and see if you can hit 3200

[muted patio]

What happens when you use XMP?

[mighty sapphire]

So set it to the 3200?

Xmp?

[muted patio]

yes, XMP

What board is this?

Motherboard

[wanton cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KRXPDc

TFW your system is worth 1.5x as much as normal with scalper prices (No, I didnt buy a Razer Raptor, but I did buy a similar monitor at that price when I didnt know anything about computers)

[muted patio]

Nevermind, found it

Might be called DOCP on ASUS boards

It auto sets your ram to the proper speed

On the main BIOS page, left hand side is a DOCP box

[wanton cliff]

on TUF boards specifically

[muted patio]

Use the drop down to choose a DOCp profile

[mighty sapphire]

Okay I’ll check

[wanton cliff]

a bit more complicated on Strix boards

[mighty sapphire]

It’s disabled

[muted patio]

This picture, left in the middle, DOCP. use the drop down menu to choose a profile

Yes, use the drop down menu to choose a profile for your RAM. Should be 3600 something

Enable it to get your ram to 3600 speeds

[muted patio]

Perfect!

[mighty sapphire]

Yea I found it! I changed it in the wrong place I think then earlier

[muted patio]

now save and exit

[mighty sapphire]

Yay! It came back on in that time

On**

[muted patio]

Sweet

[mighty sapphire]

I changed it in the wrong spot after updating the bios

You guys are lifesavers! Thank you!! Now hopefully this fixed the card issue

[muted patio]

What card issue?

[mighty sapphire]

My graphics card wasn’t working, it got so bad I could have a video playing and have another tab pulled up

I have the 2070s, changed cords, psu, all kinds of stuff

[little leaf]

What do you mean "wasn't working"

Because it seems like your gaming on it

[mighty sapphire]

Gaming the screen would go black

Randomly

[little leaf]

and the pc would restart?

[mighty sapphire]

But if I recorded it, it didn’t show it going black

[wanton cliff]

that sounds like a driver issue

[little leaf]

so just the monitor lost connection?

[mighty sapphire]

And when watching videos the screen would be really flashy

Updated drivers too

[wanton cliff]

might have to DDU

happens sometimes

an update may not help on its own

[muted patio]

Changed PSU from what to what?

[mighty sapphire]

I did unstill and reinstall the drivers

[wanton cliff]

specific models, which PSUs

[mighty sapphire]

I’m running the tests now, I think this fixed it

[muted patio]

Might have, yes

If your BIOS was that far out of date, updating it could have helped

[mighty sapphire]

It was the Enermax Revolution DF 650w and I got a Corsair rmx 750w

[muted patio]

Huh

Both of those should have been just fine

Enermax is Tier A

Good unit

[mighty sapphire]

Tests are blacking out on them so I’m hoping it fixed it. When I contacted gigabyte they recommended updating bios

[muted patio]

hang on to it for another build or a spare

[mighty sapphire]

Yea I tried everything before updating bios

[wanton cliff]

didnt you say you had the TUF B450-A or something?

what does Gigabyte have to do with this?

[mighty sapphire]

Changed from one cord to two separate, new cords, new psu, drivers so nothing worked so figured bios was last option

It’s my graphics card

Brand

[mighty sapphire]

B450 pro gaming

[wanton cliff]

ah

Giga made the GPU

makes sense

[mighty sapphire]

Power and 3D test on occt didn’t black out like they used to

It’s still flashing ughhhhh