building-and-recc-chat

[wanton cliff]

reformat the drive manually then

[ember crystal]

I have no clue how to do that

I think I figured it out

I did format default allocation size then start

But I don’t think that worked actually

formated redownloading now

[little osprey]

I have weird question lol my friend bought gigabyte b460m ds3h but his psu have only 4 pin for cpu . so can it work with 4 pin ? lol

[muted patio]

No

[small osprey]

must be old psu

[potent portal]

Or small power

[little osprey]

idk he just told me he have only 4 pin for cpu and 20pin for mobo 🤔

[muted patio]

Uh, new psu time

That's too old

[potent portal]

20 pin only? 😂

[little osprey]

lmao

[ember crystal]

Vintage

Same problem

@muted patio

[stoic island]

@ember crystal take full screenshot, probably need to delete all the preexisting partitions

[ember crystal]

It’s a new build

[stoic island]

Oh fun

[ember crystal]

Yes and no 😅

Issues are scaring me

I’m a first time builder

[stoic island]

0x80300024 seems to be something about the location being wack

@ember crystal I guess try exiting out of the installation for now, and try a different usb port. Also, you did download windows 10 64bit right?

[fossil halo]

why does that look like windows 7

[ember crystal]

Yes

No it’s windows 10 64 but

[stoic island]

Also, the drive is located in m.2_1 if m.2, or sata_1 for sata right?

[ember crystal]

I’m trying a port straight into mb

[little osprey]

oh and what happened to shuffle 🤔

[ember crystal]

M.2

M.2_2

[stoic island]

Yes, I'm talking about if you downloaded the installation tool that made your usb bootable into win10 or smth else, anyways

Try M.2_1

[ember crystal]

I did

[stoic island]

Uh

[ember crystal]

It wasn’t working earlier bc I’m m.2_1 is pci or sum like that

@muted patio told me that

[stoic island]

Oh lmao you got a sata m.2 drive?

[ember crystal]

Yea

[stoic island]

Welp, can't do anything about that for now

Try exiting out of installation and just plugging into a different usb port

[ember crystal]

Crucial mx500 1tb m.2 sata ssdd

[muted patio]

I have an idea

make sure it's booting UEFFI from the BIOS and not legacy mode

Just thought of that

[stoic island]

That'd probably be good to do too

[ember crystal]

Ok...

Will try other port 1st just one than I’ll try bios thingy

[stoic island]

@muted patio boot order shouldn't mess with windows installation right? You're only booting onto usb stick

[muted patio]

nah, it won't matter

[stoic island]

Fair

[muted patio]

But that error could be a UEFI issue and Windows 10

[stoic island]

Yea, could be

[ember crystal]

Ok

I unplugged my flash drive

Now vga is lighting up?

I’m gonna go into bios I just unplugged my pc then I will load up bios

[ember crystal]

How do I do that?

@muted patio @stoic island

[muted patio]

BIOS - BOOT Tab - Set UEFI USB to boot priority #1

[muted patio]

Boot config i'd guess

Boot poriorty #1 UEFI USB drive

[ember crystal]

I went into secure boot

And it has OS type

[muted patio]

Just leave that alone, should be fine

[ember crystal]

Where in Config do I go

Doesn’t look like the priority is here

This is in secure boot

[muted patio]

It's not in Secure boot

[ember crystal]

I’m in config and I can’t find it

[muted patio]

Boot Configuration, previous screen

Nothing in there?

boot option priorities drop down menu?

[muted patio]

Wait, did you take the USB drive out?

[ember crystal]

Yea

The flash drive yea

[muted patio]

That needs to be in

Put it back

restart

[ember crystal]

K

[muted patio]

go back into BIOS

it will show in here if you do that

[ember crystal]

Exit

Then save changes and reset

[muted patio]

Or just pop the pc reset button after you put it in

Put the flash drive in, use reset button

[ember crystal]

I loaded into windows

[muted patio]

wat, no BIOS boot screen

[ember crystal]

I’m in bios now

I restarted again

[muted patio]

Back in the boot tab there should be an option for UEFI USB

[ember crystal]

K

I’m pressing del to enter and nothing is happening

[muted patio]

Is the screen black or

[ember crystal]

It’s black now

[muted patio]

what is going on with this thing

[ember crystal]

I tried to restart again

Loading into bios now

This is boot page when I clicked on it I didn’t change anything

[muted patio]

This page, was it on Windows UEFI or OtherOS?

[ember crystal]

I didn’t change anything

I just clicked on boot tab

[ember crystal]

Other

That’s in secure boot

I didn’t change that either

[muted patio]

Put it on Windows UEFI

[ember crystal]

Still on other I believe

Ok

It’s on Uefi instead of other now

[muted patio]

Save and exit, try installing again

[ember crystal]

K

Now it’s showing my drive has nothing on it

I’ll put windows back on again!!!

My USB says it has it on it

[muted patio]

You haven't put windows on the sata drive yet, that's from the installation errors

Or did windows actually install once?

I'm confused

[ember crystal]

Must be

But on my other computer it says it has it on there

[muted patio]

That's the USB drdive

we need to install it to the sata drive you have

SO it's not booting form the USB drive now?

[ember crystal]

Wdym sata drive

Like the m.2

[muted patio]

Yes

but what you're saying

is that it's not booting from the USB drive>?

[ember crystal]

I’m on my other computer right now

And it’s saying when I go on my other computer that there is nothing on it

I’m reformatting now

[muted patio]

WDYM it says there's nothing on it?

[ember crystal]

Idk

[high saddle]

anydody got an idea for cheap cpu

[muted patio]

With the USB drive installed it should boot from it

[high saddle]

got like 250

[ember crystal]

When I went to put it on the sata it said 0 gb

[worn wave]

10600K

[high saddle]

for me?

[muted patio]

Yeah, you have to format the SATA drive and create a new partition

[worn wave]

yes

[high saddle]

thx

[worn wave]

$220 on Newegg rn

[high saddle]

bet

[balmy patio]

10600kf is 210

[worn wave]

I do believe it was $200 at Microcenter if you live near one

[high saddle]

ya

theres one on tustin

[balmy patio]

i'll check if the 10600k is still 175

[high saddle]

in

[ember crystal]

How do I do that?

[balmy patio]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1558676-REG/intel_bx8070110600k_core_i5_10600k_processor_12m.html

[high saddle]

oh crap

[ember crystal]

Rn I’m putting windows back on my USB drive @muted patio

[high saddle]

cody can you link

[muted patio]

That's what this screen does

[worn wave]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/622907/intel-core-i5-10600k-comet-lake-41ghz-six-core-lga-1200-boxed-processor#

[high saddle]

thx guys

[worn wave]

In store only

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YhFCVc

Can someone check over my build make sure everything is good

[ember crystal]

Yea I know but when I was here it said I had 0 gb and I cannot download here

[worn wave]

Don't pay that much for a 1660 Super lmao

[little osprey]

Ok

[muted patio]

You got there AFTER we made the BIOS changes??

Just now

[ember crystal]

A couple of minutes ago when I said there was nothing on it

I swear I must be so stupid because windows isn’t this hard and it’s seems to be fighting against me right now lol

[worn wave]

@little osprey https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YxxT9N

I suggest you wait for 3070s to be in stock

Do you have a microcenter near you?

You could also try joining a Discord like StockDrops that gives notifications when cards are in stock

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zfnXGq

thoughts?

[balmy patio]

looks nice, you could go with a better storage config and a cheaper psu

[worn wave]

MP34 or a P31

[balmy patio]

and i hope you're not paying 40 bucks for that fan

[little osprey]

the psu i chose because then i dont have to buy extra cable extensions

[little osprey]

suggestions?

[little osprey]

pack of 5

[worn wave]

Thats a 5 pack of fans

[balmy patio]

ah i see

lemme edit the list and then i could explain

[little osprey]

kk

[little osprey]

Yes I do have a micro center near me but they are all sold out of graphics cards

[balmy patio]

do you need integrated wifi?

[little osprey]

ye, if i didnt have it in the mobo i would need to buy a pcie card

[balmy patio]

okok i'll leave ur mobo choice then

[little osprey]

kk

[balmy patio]

and also, don't expect to pay 500 for a vision oc

actually hold on a bit

@wanton cliff how much did you pay for your 3070?

[small osprey]

she got it from dallas

so probably 500 ish

[little osprey]

ik, thats msrp price btw. i want to buy the gpu when it comes down to msrp

[stoic island]

3070fe was 500$ in bb drops so

Vision oc is not going to be msrp

[little osprey]

what do you estimate the price of it when the prices go back to normal

[stoic island]

Prices won't go back to normal for partner cards with what we know right now

No news about any more exemptions for the tariff

[little osprey]

well if by the end of the year

[stoic island]

@little osprey the price for partner cards (aka like 680$ retail for a 3070), being hiked up in the US is due to import tariffs

No sign of those ending anytime soon :(

[little osprey]

rip

so what should i put the price as on the list?

[stoic island]

@little osprey founders edition is still selling for msrp at best buy

[little osprey]

not in stock im guessing

[stoic island]

Every other Tuesday/Thursday so far they have drops for 3070/3080

:p

[little osprey]

huh

[balmy patio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yCgZK3 @little osprey i changed the storage config, took out the 5 pack of fans and instead added 2 for exhaust and the 2 140's included in the case can be used as intake, and lowered the wattage of the psu

[stoic island]

Last drop was Feb 25 I can see, drop before that was Feb 9th

[little osprey]

why 5400 rpm drivfe?

[stoic island]

@little osprey why not

[little osprey]

well isnt it kinda getting outdated and slow compared to 7200rpm drives and ssds?

[stoic island]

5400rpm vs 7200 rpm differences are fairly small, and CMR blue drive is going to last longer, and have better writes than a smr barracuda drive

[little osprey]

huh

[stoic island]

@little osprey ofc SSDs will slap HDDs, we all know that :p

[little osprey]

ye

[stoic island]

But for a hard drive, mostly mass storage, it ain't bad

[small osprey]

what about 3060ti

[stoic island]

@small osprey I don't have notif on for 3060ti, I don't check lol

[little osprey]

so i should go with this?

[stoic island]

I do 3070 and 3080 because I'm curious and going to help ryo finding a card when he gets his money

[small osprey]

ah

[little osprey]

btw, should i spray paint the front of the case white or should i leave it silver?

[stoic island]

Leave it

[calm dove]

wich monitor do you have ?

[little osprey]

wait, i just saw the the gpu now say 600$. why?

[little osprey]

dont have one yet

[balmy patio]

expect to pay around that for a white gpu

or perhaps more

[stoic island]

Vision OC msrp is like 600-700$ iirc

Lemme check

[little osprey]

whats the cheapest version of the 3070 besides fe?

[worn wave]

FE

[balmy patio]

and also @little osprey , arctic has some white p12's if you're interested in that

[stoic island]

620$

@little osprey none of them other than FE is at MSRP

[worn wave]

FE is the cheapest

[stoic island]

Everything else is weird

Price fluxuates for all of the rest

[balmy patio]

smh

[calm dove]

@little osprey you will play on 1080p ?

[little osprey]

ik but like if they were at msrp

[worn wave]

still none

[stoic island]

Lemme think about the msrp offerings

Gigabyte eagle, MSI ventus, Zotac twin edge, Asus dual

[little osprey]

i was looking at those but conidering that the inside of the case is black, i think black will look better

[stoic island]

Those were the msrp ones iirc

[little osprey]

ok so should i go for fe?

[stoic island]

You really should imo considering partner cards are usually +100$

[calm dove]

if you want cheap

[little osprey]

idk

[calm dove]

choose a gpu with 2 fans NO OC

[little osprey]

ok, so fe?

how the heck do you paint an fe 30 series card?

[worn wave]

Why would you

[little osprey]

well i kinda wanted a white gpu

[small osprey]

then gigabyte vision

but its gonna be more expensive

[winged lion]

https://newegg.io/e2a64dd zis a good list? Ignore nzxt cooler

[little osprey]

thats what i was thinking but considering the price, im not gonna go for it

[worn wave]

Use PCPartPicker

[calm dove]

you need to know wich resolution you are going to use before a gpu

[little osprey]

most likely 1080p

[winged lion]

ik

[little osprey]

maybe some 1440p

[small osprey]

i would get a big hdd for mass storage and change the psu to phanteks amp 750w

[winged lion]

ok

[little osprey]

wait, do i need to buy that really ugly looking 12 pin adapter for the gpu if i go fe?

[worn wave]

yes

[little osprey]

ugh

[stoic island]

@winged lion I'd change the monitor for a M27q, and a pilot e for the drive

[calm dove]

you are on a budget ?

[stoic island]

@little osprey don't need to buy one, it comes with a 2x8 to 12pin

[winged lion]

aight

[little osprey]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dumb nvidea

[stoic island]

Eh, I liked the idea, but the lack of adoption sucks

[winged lion]

is the pilot e an ssd? or an hdd

[stoic island]

Pilot-E 1tb, should be 110$ on wegg still, it's basically a sn750 but cheaper

SSD

[winged lion]

oh ok

[little osprey]

anything i should change? https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Mr_Unreasonable/saved/Z3zZwP

[stoic island]

Ram a bit expensive but fair

[winged lion]

for an hdd what should I get for 2tb 7200 rpm

[little osprey]

any other suggestions?

[stoic island]

Just be careful for the spray paint

@little osprey not being white and rgb xD

[calm dove]

the gpu cost 500$ ?

[stoic island]

It's about as good as you're gonna get for white and rgb, so I said fair

@calm dove FE is 500$

[calm dove]

he is going to pay 500$ ?

they are on stock ?

[stoic island]

@winged lion no, the WD Blue 2tb with -rz model, 62$ from WD right now

For being a cmr drive with better reliability and write speeds than say a barracuda 2tb

@calm dove best buy drops FE at MSRP every few Tuesday/Thursday

[winged lion]

got it

[calm dove]

nice

[winged lion]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hWH323/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd2000f9yz this?

[muted patio]

@open hull What do you mean won't initialize?

[open hull]

It just won't allow it

[muted patio]

Drive shows in Disk management?

[open hull]

Yup

[muted patio]

Right click on the drive or blank space and what options are there?

[open hull]

Initialize Disk - greyed out
Offline
Properties
Help

Clicking on "Offline" just makes a popup that says "Incorrect Function"

[muted patio]

Ok, what about the white space with the black bar at the top?

TO the right of the disk?

[open hull]

No white space with the black bar

It's just blank

right click does nothing

[muted patio]

Like this?

[open hull]

Yea

[muted patio]

Interesting

I'm reading

How many drives do you have installed?

Most likely it means the drive is faulty

It may also be plugged into a RAID sata port on your motherboard, what motherboard is it?

[open hull]

I have 4 drives including this one

RAID sata port?

[muted patio]

Hmmm

yeah, some sata ports on the motherboard are on the raid controller vs chipset

But I doubt that's the issue

Most likely is that it's just a bad drive

[open hull]

This is my second HDD from newegg

After I returned the first for not working

[muted patio]

The other reason I asked is that we can run some commands in the CMD window but I don't want to with that many drives connected

Ohhhhh

Second drive same issue?

What motherboard is this please?

And do you have any NVME drives installed as well?

[open hull]

https://www.newegg.ca/msi-b450m-pro-vdh-max/p/N82E16813144265?Item=N82E16813144265

This is the motherboard

NVME drives?

[muted patio]

yes, they look like this

[open hull]

I have an M2 yes

[muted patio]

Ah, important info

Ok, let me read the manual really quick

[open hull]

Does the motherboard just not accept HDDs?

[muted patio]

Well, most motherboards disable SATA ports if an NVME drive is installed

I'm checking yours now

[open hull]

I have two drives plugged in in addition to the M2

[small osprey]

it usually disables sata ports 5&6

[muted patio]

There are only 4 on this board, M_ATX

[small osprey]

nvm then

need to check manual

[muted patio]

ya, reading it now

Doesn't say anythin gyet

[open hull]

I only see two Sata ports

[muted patio]

There are 4 total, two facing up and two under the GPU

[open hull]

Oh hey

Those are still empty

[muted patio]

Yeah, it doesn't say anything about disabling ports. I would try a different SATA port on the motherboard

One of the empty ones

It SHOULD work

[open hull]

I'll try that
I'll be back in ten minutes

[muted patio]

I'll be here

[open hull]

I got a stupid fancy case that needs to be taken apart to do anything

[muted patio]

mmmmm

Yikes

[winged lion]

final list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3kMXGq budget of 2250$

[small osprey]

you could do a lot better than that i think

a 5600x with 2k budget is kinda bad

[winged lion]

should I remove the nzxt

and just put 200 toward a better cpu

[muted patio]

I would

That would net you a 5900x

[small osprey]

^

[muted patio]

Still need a cooler tho

[open hull]

Holy flip, it worked

I can't believe it was that easy.

[winged lion]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Morphic____/saved/3DdGP6

arctic freezer?

[small osprey]

if you do that, add a 5900x, maybe downgrade case to something around $100 like the td500mesh or the 4000d airflow, then you have $70 for a cooler

could get a nh-d15s or smth

[winged lion]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Morphic____/saved/3DdGP6 this better?

[cursive wharf]

@winged lion https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JN8PHz

[stoic island]

@winged lion no, 5400rpm one with -rz ending

[winged lion]

I was trying to find that...

[small osprey]

64mb cache

select 64mb cache

[winged lion]

ah I see

[cursive wharf]

that's what they have...

[small osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

mr1111 saw wrong? idk

[stoic island]

What

What did I see wrong

[cursive wharf]

no, 5400rpm one with -rz ending
They already have that - so why say that?

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf responding to @

Discord is wack

And I'm blind

[winged lion]

[cursive wharf]

discord fun

[hollow grail]

[alpine thunder]

Got it at msrp

[ember crystal]

@muted patio

I’m back and I’m at the install windows part

[viral ore]

thats an oof

something wrong with that drive

[muted patio]

Well, they did have it in the PCI-E slot first and it's a sata M.2

Wouldn't be surprised if it got borked

[ember crystal]

Am I looking at a return?

@muted patio

[muted patio]

Does it show a size in the BIOS?

[ember crystal]

I’ll check

[tawdry goblet]

hi, please ping me with a 1300 dollar ryzen build pls excluding storage cause i already have and go off microcenter gpu prices

[sullen spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sofa-tired-sleepy-gif-16026798

[ember crystal]

Where should I look

In bios

I don’t think it’s showing it seems like my ssd is on an off with it being read. It lights up sometimes and doesn’t other times

[raw crane]

Yo what is first word latency on Ram?

And is low the number the better?

[vapid bay]

yes. most go with cl16 for 3200mhz freq

[raw crane]

Thank you

[muted patio]

3600 C16 for amd

[charred compass]

i have a question

so there is a red light on my motherboard what does that mean

wait i just saw it says led under it

[potent portal]

You'll need to be more specific. What motherboard and where is the light?
It could just be an indicator light, like on my board there's lights by each RAM slot to show when memory is detected in the slots.

[little osprey]

^

AIO on i3

[desert gulch]

and what gpu you on rn? a 710?

[muted patio]

Who cares

You put a 212 on a 3700x

[desert gulch]

i did on my cpu

cuz budget but still had room to make it look nice

i wouldve stuck stock on mine but temps were just not where id like to see them

[little osprey]

I said oof

[muted patio]

Y'all are like rabid dogs

[desert gulch]

rn after running game im at 40c

so not bad

[muted patio]

CPu always cools quick after running something lol

Mine will go from 75C to 30C in about 2 seconds

[desert gulch]

mhmm

same with my gpu junc temp lol

85 to 50 in a second

[rich helm]

How much performance loss on a 660p compared to 970 evo plus?

On 4x pcie lane

[potent portal]

1/2 the sequential read/write, 1/4 of the random read iops, and 1/3 of the random write iops

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=20-147-743%2C20-167-462

I'd recommend a Sabrent Rocket before a 970 evo though

[muted patio]

Mushkin Pilot E?

[charred compass]

@potent portal it’s a msi z390 ac gaming edge and light is on the right of the ram white led

[potent portal]

Ahh OK there's 2 LEDs there, one to show memory slot is occupied and one to show XMP profile is enabled

[charred compass]

i see ok thank you

@potent portal it’s because i have xmp on

[hollow grail]

a lot kek

intel consumer ssds arent even worth thinking abt

[little osprey]

^

Laughs in Intel killing optane series

[hollow grail]

optane is still alive where its actually useful

so meh

[little osprey]

Didn't they kill a line up of them?

Oh. THey killed em for consumers lol

[fleet pagoda]

Hi

Been awhile since i talked here

[little osprey]

Hmm

[fleet pagoda]

And does used ram have any value

[hollow grail]

consumer which 0 people cared abt

[little osprey]

prety much

[hollow grail]

no now ship it to me

[little osprey]

What die?

~~No it doesn't matter, me and lili will split it 80/20

[fleet pagoda]

😂

Its trident z 3200

2x8

[little osprey]

cl14?

cl16?

or dreaded cl18

[fleet pagoda]

14

Act

Maybe 16

Idek

[little osprey]

You have the model number?

[fleet pagoda]

They jus in a box bro

[little osprey]

You could always use taiphoon burner and plug it in

[fleet pagoda]

Ill ask him tmr but would it have any value at all

[little osprey]

Yes depending on ram

[hollow grail]

if ur getting it from him it has 0 value

[little osprey]

If its Hynix M die, Just give it to me

[hollow grail]

otherwise tell him to check market prices

[fleet pagoda]

💔💔💔

[little osprey]

[fleet pagoda]

https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Anker-Adapter-PowerPort-iPhone/dp/B07WRKXQ8W/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=anker&qid=1614926773&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRVZaMTFPQkc5UzUxJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTMwNjY2MlNJRDZLN0pDWVNIUyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUExMDQwMDEzMkxGM0RJN0dIWFBCVCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3Bob25lX3NlYXJjaF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl would this be faster than a normal power thing

It’s supposed to he 20w i think

[little osprey]

You need another cable oddly

[fleet pagoda]

😮 it says 3x faster

Oh

[little osprey]

I can try to double check

yeah powerline

oh

[fleet pagoda]

Its for ios and android i think

[little osprey]

seems to use a usb-c similar.

[fleet pagoda]

Yeah

I would need one of these

I guess

[desert gulch]

damn apple is expensive lol

[fleet pagoda]

Its 10$ at walmart

[little osprey]

Apple Ive been using third party chargers for a while kek

[fleet pagoda]

35 on apple website

[little osprey]

and battery at 100%

capacity.

[fleet pagoda]

Wacky

Ngl i want it for my ipad but its not supported for my ipad bc it takes like 6 hours to charge

Wait maybe im an idiot and it will work for ipad

[hollow grail]

from apple?

[little osprey]

^

[hollow grail]

i just give 0 cares

[little osprey]

Even walmart sells third party kek

[hollow grail]

i charge everything with a 95w laptop power supply

usbc baby

if the device cant take 95w its not worth my time anyways

[little osprey]

Third party charger fine kek

[hollow grail]

ive only had my battery explode in my hand once

[little osprey]

Lol

[hollow grail]

still love that phone

[little osprey]

I had to change out my other's phone battery

when a new iphone battery is better than the one that came with the iphone

[hollow grail]

i love iphones

so easy to fix

like if u cant fix ur iphone and call yourself techy at all i have zero respect for you

[potent portal]

Well, it's not exactly hard to repair them so much as Apple took every step to make it impossible without damaging something. Need to change that cracked screen? Hope your battery doesn't flex too much when you remove it, and don't forget the single use heat shielding on the reverse side of the battery!

[hollow grail]

nah theyre easy asf

unless the 12 is impossible now

[desert gulch]

^

[hollow grail]

could literally do iphone repairs sub 10 mins for anything besides swelled battery

[desert gulch]

now glass back is bad

glass back hard to do

[hollow grail]

i just lasered off the glass back lol

[potent portal]

Let me rephrase then, impossible to do without the right tools without damaging something

[hollow grail]

but it was faster to do shell swaps

[desert gulch]

yeah not everyone has laser tho

[hollow grail]

.

[desert gulch]

mhmm

my old phone could swap batteries by taking back off lol

just had to pull on it hard

help in by plastic clips

[hollow grail]

literally just own an ifixit kit and a pry tool and ur cookin

[desert gulch]

ye

[potent portal]

Ah yes, the removable battery. They usually sold GIANT aftermarket batteries too.

[desert gulch]

yup it was a 2500mah so not huge

[hollow grail]

and honestly if you call yourself techy but dont have a screwdriver kit then i also have no respect for you

[desert gulch]

the one in my new phone is a 5000mah

[potent portal]

I's por, no ifixies

[hollow grail]

lol ryan i just battery swap my s8

[desert gulch]

lol

i have a 2020 moto g power rn

[hollow grail]

i keep spare batt and it takes me 2 seconds to pop the back off

[desert gulch]

great phone

[hollow grail]

LMAO MOTO

[desert gulch]

dont have to charge it for days

[hollow grail]

good luck if you need to replace anything

[desert gulch]

i dont

never broken a phone

[hollow grail]

u will eventually

[desert gulch]

doubt

[hollow grail]

battery or whatever

[desert gulch]

im not linues

linus

[hollow grail]

those things are TRASH inside

[potent portal]

There's some phones with CAT branding on them that you can do a battery swap without turning it off

My work uses them

[hollow grail]

like the one brand ill never buy in my lifetime

is moto

[desert gulch]

Neh

Meh

[hollow grail]

im a moto certified technician and after looking at their like

internal design

[desert gulch]

Their phones are pog imo

[hollow grail]

never moto

[desert gulch]

For prive

[hollow grail]

their phones r garb

id rather get a huawei

[desert gulch]

I charge my phone 2 times a week

[hollow grail]

100%

i charge my phone once a week

[desert gulch]

Lol

[hollow grail]

[desert gulch]

I use my phone alot lore than you do prolly

[hollow grail]

my phone exists to connect to my chromebook

[potent portal]

I'd probably charge once a week too if I didn't watch Youtube and Netflix so much

As it is it's maybe once every day or two

[hollow grail]

but yeah buying a nice device and being unable to fix any aspect of it is kinda uhh

not good

[desert gulch]

No need to fix it if you don't break it

[potent portal]

But they're designed to break

[hollow grail]

^^^^^

[desert gulch]

How so?

No glass back on mine

I have an otterbox

[potent portal]

I keep repeating it: planned obsolescence

[desert gulch]

Sooo

Glass screen protector

[hollow grail]

lol imagine using cases

[desert gulch]

Otterbox is pog

[little osprey]

My parents were questioning why I wanted to buy an AIO

[desert gulch]

Had a good coupon for them

[severe axle]

otterbox is brick

[little osprey]

"You have a 212, If its not broken, don't fix it"

[hollow grail]

spend money on a nice phone and cover it with cheap plastic and rubber

[desert gulch]

Cant beat a 10 dollar otterbox

[potent portal]

The internals will only live as long as the manufacturer deems it will, maybe slightly longer with good care

[little osprey]

ez. just buy nokia 3310

[desert gulch]

That's why I got phone with lots of battery lol

[little osprey]

I should grab it

[hollow grail]

and some random tempered glass

[little osprey]

and put it in california fires.

[desert gulch]

So if it degrades a bit I won't care

[little osprey]

see how it lasts.

[potent portal]

They sell more phones when phones break, working phones don't sell more phones

[hollow grail]

i just slap a skin on my phone and im done

[hollow grail]

why upgrade every 2 years unless the thing stops working well after 2 years lol

its just how it is lol

[desert gulch]

Yeah

I had my last phone for like 3 years

[hollow grail]

so manufacturers make it not work for as long

[desert gulch]

Upgraded bc batter degraded to much to make it thru a day

[potent portal]

That's just it though, on every phone my wife has used (above average usage levels) it's died right at the 2 year warranty mark, sometimes before

[little osprey]

Im getting addicted to watching louis

[desert gulch]

Weird

[hollow grail]

meanwhile with apple like

[desert gulch]

What brand of phone?

[hollow grail]

if u got an iphone 7

on launch

if u break it the screen is like $20

battery is $10

[potent portal]

Everything from Samsung to LG, all flagship models

[hollow grail]

casing is $40-60

[desert gulch]

Well that's the issue

Shoulda gone moto

[hollow grail]

small parts are just a few dollars

[desert gulch]

Smh

[hollow grail]

and iirc its still supported today

iphones are crazy with software support

[potent portal]

I've got deep personal hatred of moto, and I can't explain it

[desert gulch]

Ever used their phones?

[potent portal]

Yes

[hollow grail]

survival instinct

[desert gulch]

Which one?

[hollow grail]

moto did one good thing ever

after being inside like

every phone theyve made recently

[potent portal]

idk it was only a flip phone lol

[desert gulch]

Lol

[hollow grail]

the only good thing they did was chop chop for flashlight or something

[desert gulch]

Their new ones are fine imo

[honest ferry]

hello

[desert gulch]

Yes

And twist twist for camera

[hollow grail]

yep

[honest ferry]

guys i want to ask

[hollow grail]

i want that on my samsung

[desert gulch]

Best thing ever

[hollow grail]

but

[desert gulch]

Flip to dnd is nice too

[hollow grail]

whatever moto doesnt work with samsung pay

[desert gulch]

Altho I think most android have thay

Works with google pay

[honest ferry]

should i buy now an rtx 2080 super or waiting for restock to get an rtx 3080

[desert gulch]

Wait

[honest ferry]

[potent portal]

That flip phone turns on to this day though, even after I literally threw it against a wall repeatedly to try to break it

[desert gulch]

The moto one?

[honest ferry]

i waited too much

[hollow grail]

i dont want that trash i want samsung pay

[potent portal]

Yep

[desert gulch]

Reliability

[potent portal]

I made a game out of it, I'd bounce it off the concrete floor, rebound off the wall, and catch it

And then call my mom

[desert gulch]

Wow

So moto is good

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[hollow grail]

old moto good

[potent portal]

old moto is good

[hollow grail]

^^^^

new moto is lenovo garbage

lenovo makes 2 good things

[desert gulch]

I think this moto is fine imo

[hollow grail]

neither of them are moto

[desert gulch]

Snapdragon 665 is fine for this ohone

[hollow grail]

as someone who used to fix phones all the time

no its not

[desert gulch]

Lol got this phone on mega sale

200 bucks off msrp

[hollow grail]

fr phone techs kinda braindead i just fixed phones on the side and its ezpz

[desert gulch]

So it is a 50 dollar phone

[hollow grail]

unlucky tho i just want samsung pay

[desert gulch]

Otherwise I prolly woulda gone with a 4a or sumthin

[hollow grail]

stuck with them

[potent portal]

One good thing about Apple phones, they hold trade value well so when you decide to ditch it you can pay off a new Android immediately

[hollow grail]

^^^^^^^^

my next phone might be iphone if i dont get another samsung

[potent portal]

Does Samsung still do Knox? Been a while since I rooted

[hollow grail]

iirc the us gov has only samsung phones whitelisted due to knox

https://docs.samsungknox.com/admin/knox-platform-for-enterprise/faqs/faq-115013733108.htm

[potent portal]

Oh yeah I remember that being a thing when Obama was around

[hollow grail]

https://www.samsungknox.com/en

yes is still alive

[potent portal]

I used to buy devices based on the rule "if I can't root it I don't buy it" but these days there's not as much reasons to root anyway

[hollow grail]

yea

my s8 is locced

[tight sorrel]

@sage crown your case (lancool ii mesh) is not bad. I have more cables than you in the same case and all of my cables are hidden. do better

[hollow grail]

lmfao i was like "jeez dude be nice" and then i saw the build

[tight sorrel]

I mean, I wasn't horrible.. 😆

[hollow grail]

lol

[prime plover]

Where's the build?

That apparently has horrible cable management?

[jagged ember]

It's above the cat pc

[tight sorrel]

check build pics

[haughty furnace]

Hey, guys is the X570 motherboards is better than b550 that can handle more rams?

[tight sorrel]

not necessarily. x570 has more PCIE lanes for peripherals

[stoic island]

Both x570 and b550 support 128gb ram max

so

[tough kettle]

LMAO

[haughty furnace]

@tight sorrel sorry, I meant b550 is better than b450 because the b450 can’t handle more stick. And I thought x570 do better performance than b550.

[tight sorrel]

b550 and b450 can handle 4 sticks of RAM. Also B550 has PCIe 4.0, B450 on 3.0. there is no difference in performance between B550 and X570, none

[small osprey]

can someone edit this list to be around $600? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jtmQ9N

for a friend

[keen pike]

I have found 3600 mhz ram, but it is cl18, should I buy it?

[small osprey]

for what cpu?

[keen pike]

ryzen 7 5th gen

[worn wave]

what

[small osprey]

i recommend 3600mhz cl16

[small osprey]

5800x

[keen pike]

Okay

Thank for the Advice

[worn wave]

Oh its usually called 5000 series

[small osprey]

you dont 100% need it, but its recommended

[keen pike]

I want to future proof

So it is a good choice

[lament fulcrum]

thinking im going to pimp my pc out since ive been having an urge to build again

wheres the best place i can get sleeved cables

[wheat sand]

cable mods has some nice ones

[lament fulcrum]

super expensive 😮

[wheat sand]

I think amazon might have some as well. Thats where I got mine for about 50 bucks

[haughty furnace]

By the way, I heard some comments that a 1080 TI is almost as good as 2070 is that true?

[small osprey]

yes

[small osprey]

1080ti is better than a 2070, slightly worse than a 2070s

[still bay]

yeah i've got cablemod calbes

they are very nice

[worn wave]

I got two sets of CableMod cables

They are pretty nice

[wanton cliff]

$600, $700 with the PSU that I had to buy bundled

[blazing aurora]

bundles are annoying

[wanton cliff]

The PSU that explodes, I might add

[muted patio]

Should donate it to GN lol

[wanton cliff]

I emailed them

[blazing aurora]

i wouldn't pay over $100+ msrp for a card

[wanton cliff]

we will see what happens

[blazing aurora]

personally

i've seen people buy $600+ 3060tis

[wanton cliff]

the card itself has a better cooling system and slightly higher clocks than FE, after you put thermal pads on

[blazing aurora]

which version of the card was it?

[wanton cliff]

Vision OC

[balmy patio]

sheesh

[sage crown]

who the hell @ me in the morning

[blazing aurora]

click search > type in "mentions: [your name]" > look what comes up

[blazing aurora]

ah, okay. good card

i wouldn't pay 700 dollars for it, but it's a great gpu

[stoic island]

Ghost pings suck

[blazing aurora]

yeah

yesterday i got dozens of them, randomly

seemingly non stop

[balmy patio]

smh

[still roost]

javier#5574 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sage crown]

bruh

some dude talking trash cause i have never done cable management'

[balmy patio]

lmao

[stoic island]

Cable management is trash :p

Perf all the way

[balmy patio]

as long as the cables are hidden, they're managed

[stoic island]

No need to hide them

[sage crown]

its cause i never managed cables in a really same area

[stoic island]

Let them be free

[balmy patio]

free cables on the inside stress me out

[stoic island]

Smh

[balmy patio]

i feel like a fan is going to get caught up in them and destroy

[stoic island]

Lmao

Stick a cable into a fan

You'll see neither will get hurt unless you're dealing with delta fans

Tbh I want to see delta fan vs sleeved cable at some point

[muted patio]

Did you see Jays video with those and the carrots?

[stoic island]

I think so, yea

But think about thicc sleeves cables

[muted patio]

Just a day or two ago?

ended up with some very finely minced carrots

[stoic island]

Ah

[muted patio]

Things are serious business

[little osprey]

Those fans were terrifying

[wanton cliff]

Eh.

Gigabyte doesnt put thermal pads on their 3070s apparently

specifically, on the VRAM

so that gets hot as hell

still a 3070 tho

core rarely goes above 70

[little osprey]

It was supposed to be >2080ti

3060ti was like 2070 right?

just after 3070, 3080, 3090, nvidia failed miserably at trying to get stock to people

basically a way to feed the starving crowds that failed lo.

lol

[blazing aurora]

still, there are a couple of cards (at least for the 3060ti) that are below 500, e.g. evga and gigabyte

2080 super level

which is crazy

a 60 series card being on the same level as an 80 series

[tight sorrel]

I wasn't talking trash. In your post you blamed the case for the bad cable management. Now you saying something different. And now I see you edited your post.

[blazing aurora]

super cool to see

[blazing aurora]

is it the white one?

[desert gulch]

Gt 710 lol

[blazing aurora]

the vision looks soooo clean

i'm still holding out for a 3060ti as well

[wanton cliff]

Im entering the shuffle, if I can win another GPU imma use that one rather than this one and give this one to my dad or sell it or something

[gusty abyss]

I just noticed there's a shuffle lol

[muted patio]

I didn't post it in here oops

[gusty abyss]

gib card

[muted patio]

https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle

GET YOUR PC PARTS HERE!

[gusty abyss]

get your $2k 3090

none of the specific cards I want are up today but I guess I could settle for a strix 3070

I GUESS

[wanton cliff]

no

my strix 3070

[gusty abyss]

[austere wagon]

thinking of getting 6 RGB fans what do you guys recommend for good cooling and low price

[wanton cliff]

6 RGB fans
low price

[small osprey]

id-cooling maybe

[balmy patio]

up here has low priced rgb fans

[small osprey]

id-cooling xf-12025-ARGB-TRIO three pack

[balmy patio]

how much are you willing to pay?

[austere wagon]

not a super low price im thinking around 40 dollars max or around there

[wanton cliff]

for 6 fans?

lmao

[austere wagon]

eh nvm then

[small osprey]

thats not possible

[wanton cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/late-night-seth-lnsm-lnsmgi-fs-seth-meyers-best-of-luck-gif-9198223

[small osprey]

but $60, maybe

[wanton cliff]

possibly

[small osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-0017-00019

[wanton cliff]

if you really stretch a dollar

[small osprey]

$70 for 6 fans

[wanton cliff]

plus tax and shipping

[balmy patio]

40 bucks gets you 6 up here fans

[severe axle]

what about phanteks sk120?

[balmy patio]

they're not the best but eh

[severe axle]

$35 for 3

[small osprey]

yea

or if you dont need rgb

get some arctic p12s

[austere wagon]

they dont need to be fantastic fans

i have a 1070 Ti it doesnt take up that much heat

i currently have 2 fans and cooling is just fine

[balmy patio]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HKB1NT3/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AFRUWVWO3UJ63&psc=1

[austere wagon]

i think some cheaper RGB fans that might not be as powerful but 3x more of them would be decent

thank you joe lemme read through some of the reviews but those dont look half bad

[desert gulch]

my expirience with uphere isnt the best tbh

their fans get pretty loud at higher rpm

[balmy patio]

true it's not the best, but if all you need is rgb at a cheap price, eh

[small osprey]

i recommend those fans i linked

[desert gulch]

id rather get a p12

tbh

way better

[small osprey]

sips has them, and they got good bearings and they’re quiet too

[desert gulch]

ik its not rgb

but i dont think rgb is neccessary unless you building a fortnite kid pc lol

[austere wagon]

its not neccesary your right but i kinda want my rig to look nice with some glowy fans

[desert gulch]

yeah i favor performance over looks imo

[austere wagon]

i currently would probably only need maybe 2 more fans

[desert gulch]

but ig do whatever you want

[muted patio]

Or you could help them find what they want without judging them

[desert gulch]

mhmm

corsair makes good rgb fans

[small osprey]

but expensive

[desert gulch]

i think theyre pretty spendy tho

yeah

[wanton cliff]

but when you already have a good performing PC and you want to upgrade a bit, whats the harm in making it look nice?

[austere wagon]

i may just get the ones senti linked and just put them at the front of my case and use the current fan there as another exhaust fan

[desert gulch]

yeah sips has tho i think

[uncut pelican]

[small osprey]

sips has them

[desert gulch]

and sips likes them

[small osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-0017-00019

[desert gulch]

id cooling pretty nice

ig it all depends on how much you wanna spend

[austere wagon]

like i said im not cooling a whole lot my 1070 doesnt get too too hot and currently 2 fans keeps the system cool enough

[desert gulch]

if you wanna go all out you can go corsair or lian li

those are pretty much the best you can get

but they arent cheap

[austere wagon]

i wanna cool it more of course cause well more cooling equals better computer life and stuff but yeah

anyways thanks for your help ill probably get the ones on Newegg you linked

[desert gulch]

heres the lian li ones

if you wanted to go all out this is what youd prolly go for

[austere wagon]

ooo but 5 dollar shippinh

[desert gulch]

those lian li fans are msrp of 50 bucks a fan lol

on sale a bit rn i think

[wanton cliff]

[desert gulch]

they look the best tho imo

if you had a few hundred bucks for fans in your case

[wanton cliff]

few hundred lmao

how do they perform

[desert gulch]

idk

prolly similar to corsair ones

idk

they better do good for 50 bucks a piece

[balmy patio]

at least you can do that cool daisy chain

[desert gulch]

yeah

id hope for 50 bucks a piece

ehh if you want best of the best its there

[storm flicker]

update: new psu came in! but same results...

now idk what it could be i feel like it’s the mobo but idk thai only my first time building

lol

[little osprey]

Fan hitting something or what?

[storm flicker]

just when i turn on the psu the mobo led’s doesn’t turn on it only flashes and that’s that only thing that works is the ram since the rgb is going

[muted patio]

Well, you need to turn the mobo on as well

The PSU switch just turns on the PSU

[storm flicker]

does the x570 elite have a power switch on it?

[balmy patio]

do the cool screwdriver trick if it doesn't

[muted patio]

No, need to connect the power switch to the motherboard

[little osprey]

Motherboards usually start up with a 24 pin correct?

[muted patio]

Or connect the pins

[little osprey]

jUMPER?

Jumper*

[muted patio]

No one has jumpers

[little osprey]

Jumper/boot

[muted patio]

Mobos don't come with em anymore

[little osprey]

Wait what

[muted patio]

haven't for years

[little osprey]

My TUF and my b450 currently have boot and cmos clear jumpers

correction

PWR_SW

[muted patio]

The jumper connector

The plastic piece that connects them

[little osprey]

Oh, i was talking about that actual pins themselves.

how you can use a screw driver and contact pins on PWR_SW to boot

also to clear CMOS

Did you think i was talking about this?

[muted patio]

Those are jumpers, yes

[little osprey]

Oh, sorry lol.

My mistake, should of said Pwr_SW

or CMOS reset/CLRCMOS

[storm flicker]

what all do i need connected? i only have my 24 pin for the mobo 8 pin for cpu and the 8 pin for the gpu

[little osprey]

Do you have the cpu power?

[muted patio]

Front panel header

[little osprey]

And headers yeah

[muted patio]

PWR SWITCH

[little osprey]

^

[desert gulch]

uhhh usb 3

[little osprey]

PWR_SW in manual

[muted patio]

connect those two pins to start it up

[desert gulch]

if you have it

[little osprey]

I believe most mobo manuals should refer to them in the diagram as "PWR_SW"

[muted patio]

You don't need USB 3 connected

wat

[desert gulch]

ik

but if you have it may as well

[muted patio]

Bruh

[desert gulch]

uhh plug in cpu fan

[little osprey]

Basically 24 Pin, CPU, GPU power