building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

[ripe wedge]

I mean he wants a 3070 so he’s prolly a gamer

[little osprey]

oof.

Don't get why people didn't build in 2020 tbh

[ripe wedge]

2021

[little osprey]

Cause like, now gpu's are even worse.

[ripe wedge]

Oh

I see

Yeah

[little osprey]

like shortages.

[ripe wedge]

I built 2 pcs in 2020 lol

[little osprey]

Snagged my 3070 from Wegg lol.

November was a perfect time

[ripe wedge]

I built in July and oct

[little osprey]

nice.

People be desperate for my gpu

[ripe wedge]

But got my 3080 in dec

[little osprey]

got a 1500 offer

lmfao

[ripe wedge]

For a 3070?

[little osprey]

and what gpu u have?

3070

[ripe wedge]

3070

[little osprey]

yep.

[ripe wedge]

Which model

[little osprey]

1500$ for 3070?

MSI Gaming X Trio

[ripe wedge]

Ah nice

[little osprey]

well that's a lot of money

Some rich guy in cali wants it

[ripe wedge]

I have the 3080 Aorus Master lol

[little osprey]

meanwhile me with mine rx 480 4gb

:\

[honest ferry]

guys

[ripe wedge]

Yes?

[honest ferry]

and the 3080 should be good for the build

[ripe wedge]

480 still a good card

[little osprey]

hell yeah it is

i bought it november for an upgrade from my old card for like

150$?

[ripe wedge]

Not terrible

[little osprey]

and now it goes in my country for like 300$

[honest ferry]

and the 3080 should be good for the build

[ripe wedge]

Oof lol

[ripe wedge]

If your budget allows and if you can find one

[little osprey]

it is , but now because of BTC , and ETH , you won't find one in good price

LOL

[ripe wedge]

Expect to pay $800-1000 USD for one

[little osprey]

yep

[honest ferry]

is it out of stock in newegg

[little osprey]

or wait for prices to go lower

[ripe wedge]

Msrp

Yes

Out of stock everywhere

[honest ferry]

ooff

[ripe wedge]

Same for 3070

[little osprey]

yeah

[ripe wedge]

So good luck finding a gpu

[little osprey]

'cause of frickin cripto

.-.

[honest ferry]

i will wait until it will back to stock

[ripe wedge]

Do the Newegg shuffles

[little osprey]

Nah, Ethereum , but also scalpers

[little osprey]

well , set an alert

[ripe wedge]

Usually weekdays

[little osprey]

Mostly its been scalpers lol.

[little osprey]

yep

Cause alot of them are on ebay

[ripe wedge]

I’ve mined a lil bit with my gpu

Got like $23 sitting in my NiceHash acc

Prolly total of like 2 days 12 hours

[little osprey]

lol.

lol

[ripe wedge]

I sleep now

[little osprey]

ok , oh you from us?

[ripe wedge]

@honest ferry send that list here when you are done so others can help ya

[little osprey]

i am from poland , so it is 10:01 am at my place LOL

[ripe wedge]

Yeah I’m from USA lol 4 am

[little osprey]

lol

i from poland and 10:01 am

[honest ferry]

Gigabyte z490 elite

is it good

[little osprey]

it is

depends on how you look at it.

[ripe wedge]

Should be fine but like I said z590 would most likely be better

The gigabyte bios is cancer

But works

[honest ferry]

i will get z490 master

[little osprey]

also vrm looks a bit hot on that thing

[honest ferry]

because i have money for it

[ripe wedge]

Z490 Master will be nice

But there is a Z590 Master

So you may want to look at that

[honest ferry]

i search and i cant find it

[ripe wedge]

Hmm I’ll find a link

[honest ferry]

ok

[ripe wedge]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z590-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10

[honest ferry]

ok

[ripe wedge]

Where are you from?

Just curious

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1622613-REG/gigabyte_z590_aorus_master_motherboard.html/amp

[honest ferry]

i am from algeria

[ripe wedge]

It is preorder here

But don’t know if they ship there

[honest ferry]

i will get a shipping from BoxeIt4me

[ripe wedge]

Oh another shipping service. Expensive

[little osprey]

they do shipping for algeria

but for 55$

[honest ferry]

its fine i know

[little osprey]

'cause (i think) there's some fees from import from US

[little osprey]

K

[ripe wedge]

Ok now I sleep

[little osprey]

ok

bye

[ripe wedge]

Cya

[honest ferry]

how can i add the z590 to my list

with link

[ripe wedge]

Bottom of list go add custom part

Paste link

[honest ferry]

guys

i want a good power supply for my build

@leaden dawn

[little osprey]

Do you not know the ltt tier list smh

[honest ferry]

i will give you link of my build

[little osprey]

just take bequiet with at least 600W , it will be enough for normal PC's

[steel dust]

hi

[little osprey]

Is a 2080 Super that much worse than a 2080ti ?

[subtle helm]

no

[stoic island]

@little osprey a nice comparison :
Basically 3060ti vs 3070
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/GeForce-RTX-2080-SUPER-vs-GeForce-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-3070/4123vs4318vs3991vs4283

[blazing aurora]

much closer than i thought

[rancid lodge]

For 2x16 (32) GB of RAM for a Ryzen 9 5900x should I go with 4000 MHz CL18 or 3600 MHz CL 14?

I could also do CL14 3800 but it's out of stock and a good bit more expensive

[quasi snow]

3600 cl14 has the faster effective speed

[rancid lodge]

hm alright, I might go with cl14 3800 if it comes in stock before I get my case and the 5900x

[agile sparrow]

any assistance on getting the lian li uni fans to connect on msi b450i mobo? the mobo does not have the 3 pin 5v 😩

[worn wave]

Get an adapter or a controller

[muted patio]

You can't. 4 pin is 12 volt, 3 pin is 5 volt. Need a controller.

[little osprey]

I connected 3pin cpu fan to 4pin cpu fan before lol 🤔

[muted patio]

RGB

not power

[little osprey]

oh got it

[left raptor]

am i putting this thing in right? it’s not working

[little osprey]

5v is argb i think

[muted patio]

Yes

[left raptor]

here’s a better picture

[little osprey]

wait what 🤔

[muted patio]

Bad troll is bad

[left raptor]

do you guys know how i put it in or if that’s right? bc like i said it just won’t post

[little osprey]

[muted patio]

https://tenor.com/view/youtried-clap-clapping-olivia-pope-kerry-washington-gif-5634718

[left raptor]

😂😂😭

this hurts my soul

[fossil halo]

LMAO

thats the tech vault dude right

[left raptor]

yeah 😂

[fossil halo]

lmao

wait there was that one video

in build pics

that made me feel real pain

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574740748801540107/808749204938686474/video0.mov

this video

holy cow

[wicked frigate]

Hey guys do you guys thing 3080 will be out when 3060 is released

@rancid lodge you can go with 4000 cl18 that’s what I am doing with 5900x

[small osprey]

why

[muted patio]

4000 C16 or bust

[small osprey]

bdie expensive

[muted patio]

Doesn't have to be B-die

Micron Rev e and Hynix OC well also

[small osprey]

well it probably is tbh

[muted patio]

TBH

You're not gonna OC past 4000 on 5000 series anyway with the FCLK desync penalty

It's better but not that good

[wicked frigate]

I am trading with my cousin

I am not buying it

[rancid lodge]

it'll work fine with 3600 cl14 tbh, but I will do 3800 cl14 if it does come back in stock

[muted patio]

Well, if you get 3600 C14, there's a good chance it's a decent chip die and you can just OC it to 3800

[rancid lodge]

mhm

[wicked frigate]

Wait what about mine

@muted patio

[muted patio]

no

[wicked frigate]

4000 cl18

[muted patio]

4000 is the limit for 5000 series

[rancid lodge]

yeah

[wicked frigate]

Ok but I can decrease it right

[muted patio]

Unless you go like, 4800-5000 to overcome the desync

[wicked frigate]

The speed

[rancid lodge]

mhm

[rich helm]

Idk why you would want to

[rancid lodge]

4000 could be too much just depending so

[rich helm]

Oh I don’t know that much about ram overclock, just how to enable xmp lol

[rancid lodge]

yeah same lol, I just did some research since I was considering 4000 for my 5900x

[honest ferry]

👍

[wicked frigate]

I mean I have 32 3600

[muted patio]

yeah, 2000 flck isn't super reliable yet

[wicked frigate]

But I can trade with my cousioks

[muted patio]

But it's getting better

[wicked frigate]

Should I do it

My cousin has 4000 cl18 and I have 3600 should I trade

[rancid lodge]

well that depends on what your current 3600 CAS L is

but CL18 is a bit on the slower side so

[mystic kernel]

Anyone know how to fix this idk what to do

[wicked frigate]

Like how slow

[rancid lodge]

I mean obviously if your 3600 is 17 to 18 CL then

yeah it's worth it but

beyond that idk

[muted patio]

Needd to know the C number on the 3600

If 16, keep it. If 18, trade it

[rancid lodge]

mhm

[rancid lodge]

also, I'm looking at CL14 3800 and I'm wondering why there's like no 3800 RAM at CL16, is there any specific reason for it?

is it just cause 3800 is at that odd spot in between 3600 and 4000

[muted patio]

Yeah, 3800 is the odd spot.

[wicked frigate]

I thinks it’s 16 cl

[rancid lodge]

ah alr

the one 16 CL 3800 I found was like a whopping 1000 USD

[wicked frigate]

What

Ohhh

Wait I thought amd likes faster ram is that not true

[muted patio]

Well, the C number affects speed also

[wicked frigate]

Ohhh

[rancid lodge]

no it is true but I'd assume CL16 + 3600 is generally faster than 4000 at CL1418

[wicked frigate]

Ok

[muted patio]

So you need to look at a lot of things, not just main number

[muted patio]

Nope

[wicked frigate]

Ok

So I guess I won’t trade it

[rancid lodge]

wait so if it's not faster shouldn't he trade out?

[wicked frigate]

How slow is 18

[rancid lodge]

wait I put 14

not 18

lmao

[muted patio]

LOL

[wicked frigate]

How slow is 18 compared to 16

[muted patio]

That's not how it works. Need the ram speed also

[rancid lodge]

he said it was 3600

[wicked frigate]

Is there even cl16

4000

Yah

[rancid lodge]

wait nvm yeah the ram you were gonna trade is 4000 18

[wicked frigate]

3600 cl16 vs 4000 cl 18

[rancid lodge]

you have 3600 16 yea?

yeah alr

[wicked frigate]

Yah I have the cl16

[muted patio]

3600 C16 has a slightly better first word latency than 4000 C18

[wicked frigate]

Ok

Thx

Hey guys do you guys thing 3080 will be out when 3060 is released

??

Bro does anyone know when 5900x will be in stock again

I have been waiting forever

[left raptor]

OH NO

[fossil halo]

YEA LMFAOOOO

[left raptor]

sorry for taking a decade lmaooo

that hurt my head tho 😭

[rancid lodge]

So I assume CL14 3600 should be fine for my 5900x?

[muted patio]

Yeah

[rancid lodge]

alr I'll probably go with that then

[marsh gorge]

im looking for a new keyboard. Got a budget of £80 and want cherry mx reds and per key rgb backlighting. any suggestions? (Previous keyboard was a CM SK650)

[muted patio]

#peripherals-and-displays but they'll probably recommend Keychron

[marsh gorge]

yeah was looking at them before, but i got my hands on a 60%

[little osprey]

wot

[static ravine]

what

[little osprey]

[wanton cliff]

Wdym

@wicked frigate

What do you mean by the question

[muted patio]

Oh yeah.....here we go!!

[stoic island]

Niceee

@muted patio wife pc?

[muted patio]

Ye

16 gigs of 3200 mhz Ripjaws too

Had that laying around XD

[stoic island]

Nicee

Any gpu?

[muted patio]

Gonna repaste her GTX970 also while I'm in there

She doesn't game

So, that's what she got as a hand me down

[stoic island]

Ah, got extra LM?

[muted patio]

no

[stoic island]

Or just take a mx-4 to it?

[muted patio]

Just some MX-4

[uncut pelican]

I bought ram

[wanton cliff]

Ew

Hope you aren’t overclocking

[uncut pelican]

Its a work pc

[wanton cliff]

Good

[stoic island]

Hope it reaches xmp

[uncut pelican]

And it was the only ram in stock that was short

[muted patio]

Ballistix?

[uncut pelican]

The crucial wasnt in stock

^

[muted patio]

Where?

[uncut pelican]

Everywhere i looked said a week

[muted patio]

Ah

[uncut pelican]

And

Why did i type and

[stoic island]

Iirc the 3000mhz cl15 was in stock on wegg

[muted patio]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164173?Description=ballistix&cm_re=ballistix-_-20-164-173-_-Product

[stoic island]

Just not 3200c16

Oh well

[muted patio]

Oh, 3200?

[uncut pelican]

Bruh

[stoic island]

Just hope the kit reaches xmp

[uncut pelican]

How

Dangit

[muted patio]

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164188?Description=ballistix&cm_re=ballistix-_-20-164-188-_-Product

[uncut pelican]

Well i got corsair

[stoic island]

80$ steep

[uncut pelican]

For 80 bucks

[stoic island]

Very steep for 3200c16 lol

[uncut pelican]

Cuz promo

[stoic island]

Wait wait wait

80 bucks for the Corsair kit

......

[uncut pelican]

Yes

[wanton cliff]

Mmmmmmmmm

[uncut pelican]

Is that bad

[stoic island]

Yes

Very

[uncut pelican]

great

Awesome

Superb

[stoic island]

80$ for ballistix 3200c16 is already a bit steep lel

[wanton cliff]

Spectacular

[uncut pelican]

Excellent

[stoic island]

@uncut pelican welp, just hope it reaches xmp, if it reaches xmp, good enough for work

[uncut pelican]

The guy im building for rn is going from a surface pro 7

To this

[muted patio]

nice

Big upgrade

My wife is going from a 4590 to 10600K today

[wanton cliff]

I’m building my friend a 5600x and 3060Ti PC to replace his N3710 laptop

Can’t even play newgrounds games anymore smh

Pentium CPUs in 2021 smh

[desert gulch]

lol

[little osprey]

Can I use a sata 3 with a sata 2 interface?

[muted patio]

Yes but it will be sata 2 speeds

[little osprey]

Ok

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Bg39N what case help

I'm not worried about speeds

@little osprey meshify c should work

[ripe wedge]

td500 mesh, 5000D airflow, meshify C

[mortal garnet]

p500a

[little osprey]

@muted patio im getting a laptop but it has a 128gb sata 2 ssd. I'm looking to replace it with my 2tb sata 3 sshd

[muted patio]

Yeah, same interface just Sata 2 speed

[little osprey]

Ok great

Was worried I'd need to get a new hard drive

I'm getting a panasonic toughbook cf-19 mk6

[uncut pelican]

I bought him this for it but its also a mini itx in velka 3

[muted patio]

NIiiiice

[uncut pelican]

I cant wait to build this

[desert gulch]

pog

[uncut pelican]

First mini itx ever

I might stream it

[fossil halo]

on?

im assuming link in
#links-and-selfpromotion

[balmy patio]

it's not smh my head

[fossil halo]

lol

[shell bear]

lol

[fossil halo]

im torn between gigabyte or msi 3060

which one should i go for

the gigabyte one is like clean aesthetic

and i have a gigabyte motherborad

but the msi has

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-sad-sad-face-rgb-gif-18150874

and i like

https://tenor.com/view/elijah-disco-time-rgb-gif-19255881

[still roost]

biggasamboori#4411 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[fossil halo]

bruh

https://tenor.com/view/rip-chat-chat-dead-dead-chat-inactive-gif-18754855

[uncut pelican]

Mhm

[stoic island]

Uh @muted patio wth gammaxx 400 beats mugen 5

[muted patio]

Ya

[wanton cliff]

Oooh

[stoic island]

Mugen a lot quieter tho

[muted patio]

Mugen has limited fan speed

Only so much cooling there

[stoic island]

I was surprised about the difference tho

[muted patio]

IKR

I really wanna see more tests with the SSE224 also

And the Vetroo

[stoic island]

Yea I want to see se 224 xt first tho

[muted patio]

Nah, I want more on the Vetroo. First impression is good. 150W processor at 67C under load

[stoic island]

Vetroo just seemed like some lucky runs to me, and I hear more about se 224 xt, so I want some more data on se 224 xt first lel

[little osprey]

vetroo looks nice

around same price of se 224 xt and has rgb

wonder how it will compare in perf

[stoic island]

@muted patio tbh I just really want some actual data on Bleach keeping (I think it was a 9700k or something) at room temperature (0 delta versus ambient) during cinebench

[little osprey]

vetroo makes low profile coolers ?

[stoic island]

On a se-224-xt

[little osprey]

tbh this loolks kinda clean

vetroo L5

[muted patio]

Looks like a NOctua knockoff TBH

[little osprey]

gotta say i like how it looks tho

[stoic island]

Nah, they downsized the heatsink imo

[rich helm]

But then upsized the fan

[little osprey]

tbh it kinda looks like an ets t50axe

[stoic island]

@muted patio looks like a L9s or something with 120mm fan lol

[wanton cliff]

WorstNess changes his PFP but not his name

[stoic island]

Hell, I'd say smaller still

[wanton cliff]

Silly boy

[stoic island]

That heatsink looks tiny in terms of thickness

Welp, we don't have actual data on any of em, would like to see some

[fossil halo]

what is the difference between msi gaming and msi gaming x

[hollow grove]

extreme gaming

not extreme gaming

[fossil halo]

lmao

xxxxtrem gaming?

[hollow grove]

xtrene

[fossil halo]

wait but like genuinely is there a difference

like clock speeds, oc whatnot

[hollow grove]

is it gpu

[fossil halo]

yea

[stoic island]

Usually boost clocks, I can check, which exact gpu @fossil halo

[fossil halo]

3060 12g

[stoic island]

Trio or not the trio @fossil halo

[fossil halo]

idk

i wanna get the trio

yea just check trio

[still roost]

Mr1111#1350 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[fossil halo]

idk if trio will fit in my case tho

lemme see

[stoic island]

Bruh

[fossil halo]

lmfao

dms

[stoic island]

@muted patio why'd I get warned from that

[muted patio]

Too many gaming in one sentence lol

[fossil halo]

i got warned for sending links

[muted patio]

XD

[fossil halo]

LMAOOOOO

msi 😫 🔫

[muted patio]

I have too in the past

Links to different models of the same brand in one post

Weggbot bopped me

[stoic island]

Lol

[uncut pelican]

Get bopped

[fossil halo]

msi products be like

[stoic island]

@fossil halo basically, left side base clock, right side boost clock

[uncut pelican]

[stoic island]

@muted patio it's not even links this time >:(

[fossil halo]

msi gaming x gaming trio gaming rgb gaming

[stoic island]

Links I understand, <3 links good

[fossil halo]

(wtih rgb)

[stoic island]

<3 good

[fossil halo]

lol

but like

@stoic island

should i get the msi gaming trio or the gigabyte gaming oc

is there like a rule of thumb when it comes to gpu's

like i didnt really look too far into gpu's when i bought mine

[stoic island]

Same boost clock, look up testing on the thermals

[fossil halo]

||gt 710||

[cursive wharf]

msi is usually overpriced (for this gen) and rarely does anything special on GPUs

[fossil halo]

oh ok

[stoic island]

I don't think gaming has locked pl

@cursive wharf I'm just assuming same price, since these are lower end skus afaik

[fossil halo]

yea

[cursive wharf]

afaik msi raised prices the most from tarrifs

[muted patio]

Asus cards too?

[stoic island]

I'm not sure, I just assume low end cards stay around the same price

[muted patio]

I know this go around Asus is giving EVGA a run for their money

[cursive wharf]

asus went up, but not so much

evga went up the least

[wanton cliff]

I wish Valve sold standalone headsets

[stoic island]

I know like suprim went to the ISS but yea

[cursive wharf]

actually kinda dumb with 3090 prices rn

lot of "okay high end" are same price as KP

[fossil halo]

ima be in bio class when the gpu's drop

[stoic island]

Kp kp kp

[fossil halo]

gonna be cancer

[stoic island]

When are they dropping?

[wanton cliff]

Most of the 3090 money is in the 24 gigs of G6X

[fossil halo]

25th 9 am pt

[muted patio]

Eh, that's not confirmed as far as I know

I read the same thing on PC Gamer

and basically no where else

[fossil halo]

tru

bb usually drops at 8:30 tho

so ima watch then just in case

[wanton cliff]

Y’all gonna get a 4080 when it comes out or stay with your current cards

Or something 4000 series

[fossil halo]

im gonna stay until the 6090

[stoic island]

4070 >:D

[cursive wharf]

Im going 4080 cuz Im just going to resell

[fossil halo]

i will buy a 6090

[stoic island]

Lel

[viral ore]

im getting a DG2

[cursive wharf]

resell and stay on high end for cheap basically

[fossil halo]

because funny number

[stoic island]

I want a 4070 for myself

[fossil halo]

i will be in like

college when it drops

[stoic island]

If Intel even does a dg2 @viral ore

[viral ore]

NO

[fossil halo]

oh dg2 LMFAO

[viral ore]

ITS COMING

[fossil halo]

bro

[viral ore]

JUST YOU WAIT

[stoic island]

Lol

[fossil halo]

u will never expect

[viral ore]

[fossil halo]

the rise of the intel graphics

[stoic island]

Spanish inquisition

[fossil halo]

literally

[cursive wharf]

intel cant count, it'll be a dg3

[stoic island]

Lol

[fossil halo]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-spanish-inquisition-no-gif-5758634

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf it'll be a G3 dg111, a G5 dg11111, and a G7 dg1111111, just wait

[fossil halo]

LOL

[stoic island]

I think I got Intel naming scheme down

[fossil halo]

lol

[cursive wharf]

yeah pretty much, other then more random numbers

[fossil halo]

LOL

ryzen naming scheme makes sense

somewhat

they just need to take out all the zeroes

would make stuff much easier

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf imagine if AMD starts retaliating with naming cards like R5 6800, R7 6800xt, R9 6900xt lel

[fossil halo]

whats up with manufacturers and putting more zeroes in the product name

[stoic island]

@fossil halo big number cool

[fossil halo]

that is true

ima buy a ryzen 69 606900XT+

[cursive wharf]

naming scheme is good, but the architecture assignment isnt (Zen in some 2000 series, Zen/Zen+ in some 3000 series)

[fossil halo]

true

[stoic island]

Tbh, I'd just say naming scheme bad

[fossil halo]

^^^^^^^

[stoic island]

They're too afraid to call APUs the generation they actually are from

[fossil halo]

deadass

amd needs to make some better apus

like higher end apus

iirc there was a leaked 5700g or smth

[viral ore]

product numbers should simply be described by architecture, number of cores, and specific features

which is somewhat what intel does

[stoic island]

Eh

[fossil halo]

true

[viral ore]

but intel still does eYe FiVe, and EyE sEvEn marketing

[stoic island]

:p

[waxen fiber]

Hey need some assistance

[fossil halo]

yessir

[viral ore]

along with numbers that have no meaning

[cursive wharf]

and their most recent laptop SKUs.... Heck

[stoic island]

What was it

1067g

Smth

[cursive wharf]

one more random number

10567g or smth

[viral ore]

g3 g5 and g7 or something like htat

[fossil halo]

i used to have a i5 7200u

[stoic island]

Lol

[viral ore]

has to do with the graphics type

[fossil halo]

literally just take out the zeroes and it makes sense

[wanton cliff]

Actual product names should just be the architecture code names imo. Vermeer, rocket lake, Warhol, coffee lake, etc all great names

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff no

[waxen fiber]

So I have a 5900x w/ 48gb of corsair ddr4 3200. I just booted it up, took a while, set the ram to xmp and then exited out and restarted to boot into windows media. Well now it will not boot. The fans run and all that, shows dram on my ez debug led but if I take out 32gb is shows cpu on it. Any ideas?

[wanton cliff]

Yes

[stoic island]

Doesn't help with generation

@waxen fiber 48gb???

[viral ore]

well, amd ryZEN is already doing that

[fossil halo]

ye

[waxen fiber]

2x 16 2x 8

[stoic island]

Uh

[fossil halo]

oooh

[waxen fiber]

All same timinga

Timings**

[wanton cliff]

People did the same stuff with DDR3

[stoic island]

Reset cmos

[fossil halo]

https://tenor.com/view/potion-mana-chemical-reaction-glow-gif-8784309

[stoic island]

Xmp wack

[fossil halo]

ram mixing be like

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff I don't think this gen really likes that

Xmp with mixing kits is always wack

[cursive wharf]

all 28 smth timings are the same?

[wanton cliff]

What exactly is the difference? I don’t know much about DDR3 vs DDR4 microarchitecures.

[waxen fiber]

But why would it show cpu on ez debug led when I take out one kit

[stoic island]

Dunno, go reset cmos

[cursive wharf]

ddr4 was apparently a refresh of ddr3

[waxen fiber]

No just the 4 shown on the pack

[stoic island]

Ram settings prob just got screwed

[viral ore]

ddr4 was more like ddr3.1

[waxen fiber]

It has a reset button. Should I use that or take our the battery or try the jumpers?

Or should I try updating bios

Bc it may not hurt

[muted patio]

DDR5 starts at 3200 mhz lol

[stoic island]

Dunno, I don't pay attention to older generation stuff >:p. @wanton cliff

[wanton cliff]

And DDR5 will be... DDR5? Or the true DDR4?

[viral ore]

ddr5 will be what ddr4 was supposed to be

[cursive wharf]

reset button should work. Unless you're talking about the case rst button

[waxen fiber]

It is case

I didn't know if it did the same thing

[stoic island]

Ddr5 technically still ddr3 I believe, since it's just 2x ddr4, where ddr4 was supposed to be 4x ddr3, but was 2x ddr3 iirc

[cursive wharf]

That's a force OS restart. Not a CMOS clear

[waxen fiber]

Ah

[stoic island]

Reset header works

[viral ore]

ddr5 is ddr3.2 actually

[stoic island]

And some fancy mobos have reset buttons on the back

[viral ore]

although it can be ddr4 sometimes if it wants to

[cursive wharf]

technically can plug it into the correct plug to clear CMOS, but I doubt you have done that

[stoic island]

Dunno, forgot the metric between ddr generations

[muted patio]

Well huh, the SSE224XT comes with a tube of grease, just FYI

[stoic island]

I mean, don't all?

[muted patio]

IDK

[waxen fiber]

Lemme check my manual

[stoic island]

Every normal cooler I know comes with paste

[muted patio]

wait what?

[stoic island]

Like what doesnt

Give me one cooler that doesn't

[muted patio]

10.5W/mk

[cursive wharf]

talking about tubes

[muted patio]

Does that seem high?

[cursive wharf]

not preapplied

[stoic island]

Yea, tubes of paste

@muted patio tbh those metrics are weird, I only like testing

[muted patio]

Better than MX4

by 20%

O.o

hmmmm

[waxen fiber]

No clear cmos button gotta short it

[desert gulch]

so every so often chrome just stop working as in new tabs wont load, but staying in a yt tab or google meets will continue to work...

[stoic island]

Or button method

But yea

[desert gulch]

hardware accereleration is off

cleared cache

itll work with a restart

but trying to prevent it from happening every few days

[cursive wharf]

started recently?

could be a chrome update

[stoic island]

Yes

[desert gulch]

ever since i got chrome

getting worse tho

its fully updated

[stoic island]

(as in new update broke something, try rollback)

[cursive wharf]

chipset drives updated? From AMDs site, not mobo site

[desert gulch]

yeah

i have radeon adrenaline

so it does that automatically

and theyre fully up

[stoic island]

Adrenaline does chipset drivers? Really?

[desert gulch]

gpu drivers

what other drivers do i need?

[muted patio]

Chipset

[stoic island]

Chipset

[desert gulch]

link?

[muted patio]

Ryzen master will install them

[stoic island]

As in motherboard chipset

[wanton cliff]

Adrenalin does a lot of stuff people don’t give it credit for

[muted patio]

https://download.amd.com/Desktop/AMD-Ryzen-Master.exe

[desert gulch]

mobo has all updates im pretty sure

[stoic island]

@wanton cliff I seriously doubt mobo chipset drivers tho

[wanton cliff]

Idk if that is one of them tho

[stoic island]

It's just

Gpu software, updates mobo????

[desert gulch]

i use armoury crate

[muted patio]

OOOFFFF

[desert gulch]

and it has updates it does i think

idk

lol

[muted patio]

That crap is garbage

[wanton cliff]

[cursive wharf]

chrome + old chipset drivers = really bad hecking time. I had straight up power offs, no BSOD or anything from that

[muted patio]

Armoury crate causes all kinds of issues

Recommend uninstall

I installed it and uninstalled it the next day

[cursive wharf]

also will use Asus's resources, which is usually on an old chipset driver

[desert gulch]

Ight

Restarting pc rn

So I can open link in chrome lol

is downloading chipset stuff gonna close chrome or anything?

or can i do it during online class?

[muted patio]

It won't close anything

WIll require a restart after install tho

[waxen fiber]

Y'all are godsends

[desert gulch]

ok

[waxen fiber]

Especially @stoic island

Worked

[desert gulch]

will it force an update or could i delay it for half an hour?

[stoic island]

:)

[waxen fiber]

Should I put both kits in or just use 32gb

Bc

[cursive wharf]

lot of stuff can be fixed with CMOS reset

[waxen fiber]

Now that I look at it the last two timings are different

[stoic island]

@waxen fiber basically, don't use xmp when mixing kits, and clear cmos when something goes wrong

[waxen fiber]

Okay

I will not 😂

[stoic island]

and you probably want to do manual timings

[waxen fiber]

I somewhat understand manual. The 32gb has looser timings. I would use those right?

[stoic island]

Yea, worse of both kits, and try that

[waxen fiber]

Well first

I'm gonna install windows

[desert gulch]

i shall install the thing ryzen master wants to install after this class

[stoic island]

@cursive wharf auto secondary and tert timings should be lowest of both kits, right?

[waxen fiber]

And then maybe I'll mess with it tonight

[cursive wharf]

@stoic island so long as it's all trained at same time, ye. Tho, putting in new sticks should also retrain it I'd assume

just does whatever settings and see if it's stable basically

[stoic island]

Eh, after clearing cmos, both should be technically new right?

[cursive wharf]

ye

[stoic island]

Then it should retrain for both kits

[cursive wharf]

Ye, should just look at them all as one thing and if anything is unstable it'll be a red flag

[stoic island]

prob

might need some memtests tho

[muted patio]

Testmem5+anta777

[stoic island]

yep

[muted patio]

When I tested my wife's PC< Memtest86 immediately threw an error lol

[stoic island]

lol

[muted patio]

I didn't even let it finish and juhst bought new parts

[desert gulch]

so on my secondary os, manjaro linux, it wont let me access the wifi, and doesnt seem to recognize my wifi adapter, the one that comes with tuf x570 plus, how would i make that show up on linux?

[stoic island]

Linux might need different drivers

[muted patio]

Need a driver for Intel Wireless AC 9260

[desert gulch]

yeah thats what i was thinking

do i need to install that while on windows and then itll show up in linux?

[muted patio]

No

Gotta be in Linux lol

[desert gulch]

lol so install on thumb drive?

[muted patio]

See here: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/intel-9260-fenvi-pcie-wifi-not-working/35102

Looks like windows might actually block it somehow

That's really odd

[desert gulch]

yeah ill try that

thx

[little osprey]

Oh nice

[hallow grove]

i will try to explain this as quickly as possible.

[muted patio]

Don't be quick, be thorough

[hallow grove]

eeee i wll try to do both haha

its kind of a longish and frustrating story on my end

[muted patio]

Ok, just be ready for more questions

😉

[hallow grove]

yep

will do

So when i launch a game (particularly resource demanding games) my computer will just cut to black and instantly reload the login screen.
It only happens when i play resource demanding games but ironically enough it doesnt happen when I do a gpu/cpu stress test

I thought it was overheating but through monitoring it all seems rather healthy

I was told it could be my drivers but those are all up-to date on the most stable versions (even after factory resetting my pc)

[muted patio]

What GPU test did you use?

[hallow grove]

furmark

[muted patio]

snap

[hallow grove]

was the one i was recommended by a friend

cpu test i used was prime95

or 65 whatever its called

[muted patio]

Download this and run it, see what it says for crashes. https://www.resplendence.com/download/whocrashedSetup.exe

[hallow grove]

whocrashed I tried that previously

and it never gave me any info on why its restarting

[muted patio]

And?

Did you scroll down in the bottom window?

[hallow grove]

yep.

I even ran the test crash on it and it reported that just fine

[muted patio]

Command Prompt - Admin level - sfc /scannow

If that finds nothing, chkdsk /r

Might be corruption

if those find anything we can examine disk

Might be good to check the disk anyway with CrystalDisk https://crystalmark.info/en/download/#CrystalDiskInfo

[hallow grove]

alright ill check that out and report back to you on it

do you need my specs at all? i have the paste from userbenchmark

[muted patio]

Not yet

[potent portal]

I like crystal disk too, it's the only one I tried that correctly detected my drive info through a USB adapter

[muted patio]

chkdsk /r time

It will require a reboot

[hallow grove]

kk

with crystalmark what exactly am i looking for?

the healthstatus?

[potent portal]

It'll tell you if something is wrong with an audio chime and the drive letter will show up in a yellow or red box instead of green

[muted patio]

Yeah, check the SMART info

[hallow grove]

seems fine from what i can tell

ill try the chkdsk /r time now

[muted patio]

The smart said good and what %?

[hallow grove]

for my wdblue

for my lexar ssd

[muted patio]

Seems OK

[stoic island]

Vintage, tried the DISM bit yet?

[muted patio]

not yet

Getting there

wanna see what chkdsk finds

Then that

Then driver list lol

[stoic island]

lol

[potent portal]

He knows his troubleshooting, that's why I was just leaving them be lol

[muted patio]

It's odd that Furmark is fine

and P95

SO def software

[muted patio]

I'm also human and make mistakes

So if I miss something or you have another idea, by all means

[stoic island]

Just I usually see going through dism with sfc /scannow and before chkdsk

[hallow grove]

i did the chkdsk and reset my computer

[stoic island]

since chkdsk has to restart iirc

[potent portal]

And I'll be the first to point one out if I see it, but you've got a good track record from what I've seen

[hallow grove]

anything i should be looking for after its back up? it didnt really give me a report of whats up

[muted patio]

Well, if it rebooted quickly and didn't say FIXING on the black boot screen

It didn't find anything

[hallow grove]

i mean it said like

:fixing step 1: and it went from step 1-4 super quickly

took about 5 minutes to restart

[muted patio]

Admin CMD again

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /CheckHealth

[potent portal]

Results would be in system log

[muted patio]

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /ScanHealth

If it finds anything, DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

[hallow grove]

alright ill do that now

ee bad resolution screenshot. bassically said no corruption detected

[muted patio]

UGH

Drivers it is

[wanton cliff]

Alright, what are we talking about

[muted patio]

SO that whocrashed app

Can also list all the drivers

Put them in a txt file and send pls

[stoic island]

windows crashing and being screwy, usual things

[muted patio]

Open WhoCrashed and click Local Drivers

[hallow grove]

lemm reinstall whocrashed

i had used it before i factory reset as a last resort

[wanton cliff]

Hate it when that happens

[muted patio]

👍

[hallow grove]

forgot to reinstall it on opening

[wanton cliff]

Can you run Linux in a windows VM?

[potent portal]

Yes

[wanton cliff]

Fun

I would need to get a second KB for that, no?

[hallow grove]

how can i go about putting the drivers in a txt file?

[potent portal]

Yes technically, each server instance needs its own license

[muted patio]

Use NOtepad

Save as txt

DM it to me

[stoic island]

Or you could copy and paste all the characters, discord will automatically send it as a .txt file if you paste a big enough paste

Might only be in DMs, but it's fun

[muted patio]

Eh, can't copy from Whocrashed

they're sending screenies lol

[potent portal]

That feature is fun but doesn't always work

[buoyant junco]

Hoping someone can help me out. New to building a water cooled pc, and I got the NZXT H510 Elite case, with the MSI MAG CORELIQUID 240R AIO Liquid cooler. Only place I can see to fit this thing is if I take out the two front pre-installed case fans. Sure looked like it would fit when I was looking at the pictures, but I was wrong. Anyway, if I take those out and put the radiator plus the 2 120mm fans that come with the liquid cooler, is that enough air flow through the front of the case?

[stoic island]

ah I see

[worn wave]

H510 has terrible airflow no matter what

[stoic island]

Well, you should know H510 doesn't exactly have much space to pull air into the front

[buoyant junco]

Yeah, I just got everything and started setting it up. I didn't realize how bad it was til now.

[stoic island]

If you're asking any questions about airflow, H510 might've been the wrong case for you

Sadly the only vented areas (rear and top iirc, have actual holes for air) are 120mm mounts

[buoyant junco]

so am I in trouble if I replace those two case fans with the radiator since it has 2 fans on it also, or is that about the same amount of flow as it would have been without the radiator?

[stoic island]

Though you might get away with just the sheer amount of heat saturation aios can have during gaming, and it might work decently, but don't expect low temps if you're gaming for a while.

Do keep in mind, radiators do restrict airflow just that much more, but you might be able to get away with it if it's just a bursty workload

And with cooling in specific situations, we aren't omnipotent, we can't predict what exactly will happen, so the best thing to do is to test it yourself, we can only provide you with theories. @buoyant junco

[potent portal]

Can't you just keep the front panel off for an emergency quick fix?

[stoic island]

I don't think h510 elite had a removable front panel, I'm not familiar with the case though

[buoyant junco]

sounds like I'd just be best off replacing the case.

[stoic island]

thought it was the h510 that had a removable front panel

@buoyant junco if you can remove the front panel, you might be fine

[buoyant junco]

it has a tempered glass front panel that can be removed but nothing else to protect what's inside

[stoic island]

eh, there's no protection either way really

not like h510 comes with a dust filter on the intake normally, don't think there are any in that case

[worn wave]

The H510 Elite has the removeable from glass

[stoic island]

Dust isn't that big of an issue either way, just need some compressed air from time to time to clear it out

Oh good, that might just work then

[potent portal]

Yeah you don't have a dust filter so the front panel is purely decorative

Although I guess it keeps dust out by restricting airflow 🤣

[buoyant junco]

if you were in my shoes, would you just replace the case, or would you try the front panel thing first?

[stoic island]

Definitely front panel

changing cases is annoying

[potent portal]

For now you can just do the front panel and replace it when you get around to it

[stoic island]

and if you can get away with no front panel, it'll work just fine

@buoyant junco welp, at least now you know h510 isn't great, but it can do in a pinch, with maybe some modifications.

Knowledge is power :P

[worn wave]

There are cases which are better and have better airflow for the same price

[muted patio]

radeon rx 580 - Asus PRIME A320M-K
AMD Ryzen 5 1600

There's nothing in the drivers but AMD and Microsoft. WOrking on more, stand by

need to know what power supply that is please @hallow grove

It's a collection of older parts, might be an issue

[hallow grove]

500W psu is all i know atm

one sec i know i have the info of what it is exactly somewhere one moment

[muted patio]

That's a 500W minimum requirement

Might be on to something

[hallow grove]

i found the original information of the entire pc

only thing different from the original specs is the ram cpu and gpu

otherwise the info my uncle got this from all it said was "500 Watts - Standard 500Watts 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply "

[muted patio]

So, did you have to use Molex adapters for the GPU?

[hallow grove]

nope

it just plugs into the mobo and has a 8 pin plug

wait

yes

[muted patio]

Got a pic of it? I'd say that might be the cuplrit. Especially if it's old

[hallow grove]

exactly like this

[muted patio]

That's not molex

Im' talking old 4 pin stuff

[hallow grove]

oh

that plugs right into the gpu?

i dont have anything 4 pin for the gpu

[muted patio]

How old is that PSU?

[hallow grove]

should be brand new

like maybe late last year

september maybe

ill go back and look at the precise date.

[muted patio]

There's no brand name on it or anything?

That would be most helpful

[hallow grove]

the case its in is kinda scuffed. thats kinda my biggest gripe with the pc rn is i actually have 0 idea how to get to the psu or the SSD because its actually in the bottom part of the case kinda sealed off

also the exact date of delivery was 12/11/2019

[muted patio]

4 screws on the back where the power cord goes in

[hallow grove]

a little bit older than a year mb

[muted patio]

What GPU did it come with and who made it?

[hallow grove]

the original gpu is...

AMD Radeon RX 560 2GB GDDR5

[muted patio]

And this is a fresh windows installation?

[hallow grove]

yep

from what i can see with windows updates and radeon software app the gpu drivers are up to date

on the recommended stable versions that is

[muted patio]

Yeah, I'm still leaning towards power supply. I don't see anything wrong with the drivers, no disk corruption, and the power required for the GPU is right on the edge of that rating

The PSU comes out from the back

[gusty pasture]

hi

[muted patio]

4 screws around where the power plug goes in and it comes out

[hallow grove]

okay ill check it out

[muted patio]

Or maybe you can see it from the back side?

[hallow grove]

OH i probably should have mentioned this earlier

[gusty pasture]

what

[muted patio]

Or shoot, if you have another known good PSU try that

[hallow grove]

but my friend told me it could possibly be the standoff screws?

[gusty pasture]

amybe

[hallow grove]

i had just replaced them all

and it worked and the problem went away for about a week

[muted patio]

Doubtful if all the holes line up with standoffs

[hallow grove]

now its back

ah okay

well ill check out that psu rn will report back when i figure it out

thanks again.

[muted patio]

Please do

Seems like it may be a cheaper unit if it came in a prebuilt

Everything else seems to be OK

[gusty pasture]

whats wrong
?

[fossil halo]

?

[hallow grove]

Managed to get it out. God this case is horrible haha

Channel well technology
Switching power supply
500W Max

I can dm you a pic of the full sticker on the side if youd like

[muted patio]

Not necessary

I think we found the issue

[stoic island]

What's the issue?

[muted patio]

Black screening

No software issues

No driver issues

No disk corruption

Odd name 500W PSU with an RX580

1600AF

hestitantly I blame it on the PSU with no other findings

[stoic island]

CWT is an oem for a lot of PSUs though, but not sure about older models

[muted patio]

Yeah

It's a 2019 apparently

I know CWT does the Corsair CXM

[stoic island]

And RMx

[muted patio]

but no idea what's in their own name PSU's

[stoic island]

And some RM

Some of the AXi too iirc

[muted patio]

IDK, could run a Testmem/Anta777 and see what happens

[stoic island]

Could, another option is just stress the psu with furmark and p95

[hallow grove]

I did stress test with both furmark and prime95 actually

[stoic island]

At the same time

[hallow grove]

Thats why i originally ruled out gpu psu cpu issues

Yep at the same time

And individually

[stoic island]

Hm

Smallfft correct

[muted patio]

Both at the same time tho?

[hallow grove]

Yep

[muted patio]

One at a time isn't a good test

[hallow grove]

I did one at a time initially than both at the same time

[exotic marten]

What's the issue

[hallow grove]

For prime 95 did 12 thread stress test for the cpu

[stoic island]

Just as a side note, Prime95 smallfft instead of the default blend is a LOT more intensive

Like I can make my 3800x pull 180w spike on smallfft instead of like 80w avg with blend

[hallow grove]

Am i good to reassemble plug my pc back in or is there anything else i should do now that its laid out across my table haha

I do still have the rx 560 that originally in the pc aswell if you think swapping back to that may be a good test

[stoic island]

I'd wait for Vintage to see if he has anything else to try

[hallow grove]

Alrighty. I eat dinner and chill until then.

[muted patio]

Ram test

Testmem 5 anta777 profile

But can be put back together

[hallow grove]

Alright will do

With the ram therses something i found a bit odd but from what research i could find it should be fine

1 stick is vulcan ddr4
While the other is a vulcanZ

They have the same speeds though from what i know

I dont think it would be an issue but it might be worth mentioning

[austere wagon]

jeez of all things i really didn't think PSU's would cause the most problems lmao

[muted patio]

THis is absolutely worth mentioning

And why we do the ram test next

[hallow grove]

alright. how would i go about testing the ram? im actually unfamiliar with doing this

[muted patio]

Follow this using the Anta777 profile

It will take some time so be patient

https://www.overclock.net/threads/memory-testing-with-testmem5-tm5-with-custom-configs.1751608/

[hallow grove]

im a pretty patient guy considering ive been tryna diagnose this for about 2 weeks now haha

[wanton cliff]

It’s the only part that explodes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hallow grove]

ahh wait you said with the anta777 profile

im assuming that wouldnt mean the "default @ serj" haha

didnt realize someone was named serj in this server! sorry for the ping

uhh

what profile should i be using here

[muted patio]

ooohhh

2020 high

to start with

[hallow grove]

alright ill let you know when its done

[muted patio]

I may not be around. Doggy at the vets, we'll have to take him somewhere else soon. 👍

[hallow grove]

youre good, i appreciate all the help so far nonetheless