building-and-recc-chat

[little osprey]

Lililabs can stand a blizzard.

Unlike Houston infrastructure.

[hollow grail]

based

[wise sorrel]

@wanton cliff 600

[brittle tinsel]

Got a link?

[hollow grail]

our site is in development

[little osprey]

Lililabs a tier

[hollow grail]

but we arent an isp

[little osprey]

Wait s tier

Provides internet and storage

[hollow grail]

smh stop misrepresenting my company

[little osprey]

Lol.

[hollow grail]

we do webhosting and vps and dedicated servers and colocation

and thats all

[little osprey]

yo everyone, what would be a good cheap build 4 me that i can play rust on

Lililabs should go into internet

[brittle tinsel]

Oh I get it now

[little osprey]

It a monopoly soon

[hollow grail]

that is an entirely different field

[little osprey]

Going to be

[hollow grail]

one that i have 0 passion for

lol

[little osprey]

Lol

Lililabs one day

Will be the new nvidia

[wanton cliff]

hire someone who does

[stoic island]

@little osprey I mean, builds are usually made with a budget in mind

[hollow grail]

i dont want to ever be an isp

[little osprey]

500-600?

Why?

Isp aint that bad

Only long customer service

[stoic island]

Uh, 600$ isn't gonna do it for a pc to play rust on, considering current gpu prices

[hollow grail]

because then i need to manage infrastructure

and rollouts

and the amount of idiots who want internet

[little osprey]

Lul

[hollow grail]

surpasses the amount of idiots who want vps

[little osprey]

Lmao

Lililabs reported to bbb keeek

[hollow grail]

bbb is a scam

only boomers believe it does anything

[little osprey]

1 star on yelp

Lol

[hollow grail]

i remember paying yelp to hide bad reviews

[stoic island]

I might be able to make a 800$ 3060 list later

[little osprey]

Wuuuuu

@stoic island lol my friend can play on a 500 0ne

[stoic island]

Gonna bring back my budget specific lists >:D

@little osprey the problem is stock situation, few months ago, 2060 1660 1650 etc were everywhere

Now, no low end cards at msrp

[little osprey]

and rust is coming to xbox so i can play on my series x

Kbm ?

[stoic island]

Well, if you can wait or get away with not having a pc for a while, I'd say wait if possible.

[little osprey]

@stoic island this is a long time plan, have , made pretty big purchases in the past while

yeah

[potent portal]

Yelp is a joke. There's a used car lot in my area that has two 5 star reviews, and like forty 1 star

[little osprey]

@stoic island if i asked for a certain part for christmas/birthday what would they be

[potent portal]

The 5 star reviews are clearly written by the owner and his wife

[stoic island]

Buy everything at once, don't buy things part by part over months

Saves you headaches if anything comes doa, or if anything in the market changes

[little osprey]

should i ask for amazon gift cards or what?

thats a waste of a good present tbh

[stoic island]

To start off, how much do you think you can accumulate?

[little osprey]

lol it'll be over time, from relatives and my job it'll be a fair few

i intend to start saving up now

[stoic island]

To be safe, if you don't think you do get, I dunno, 700$ by the end of the year, it might be worthwhile to just turn away for a while.

The market is constantly changing, good chance newer lower end parts will allow for cheaper builds, but I'm going to estimate 700-800$ for a 3060 build in a month.

[hollow grail]

come back cash in han

d

[little osprey]

what are good sites, im a tech person but i dk much about platfroms for components

[stoic island]

For checking compatibility, pcpartpicker.com

[little osprey]

just out of curiosity, how much is the 3090?

[stoic island]

For online retailers, Newegg, Amazon, B&H, and best buy. Microcenter is a GODLY retailer if you can go there in person

3090 is 1500$ msrp

[little osprey]

jaysus

[hollow grail]

bh bad

[stoic island]

For reference for lower end builds, the last gen good low end card, 1650 super, was ~160$. Currently, the cheapest decent card you're going to get would be a RTX 3060 at 330$ MSRP

[little osprey]

mm

processor?

[potent portal]

Ryzen 5600X is my recommendation, $300

[stoic island]

CPU wise, the market is quite good right now, as Intel had dropped price by a lot in response to AMD's recent victories

[little osprey]

yeah, ryzen are great

[stoic island]

@potent portal for such a low end build, I'd say 10100 at ~100$

This is like 600-800$ total budget kind of thing

[potent portal]

But if we're talking a 3060 that's not low end any more

[stoic island]

What

[little osprey]

the graphics card is probably most importnat

[stoic island]

3060 is the cheapest and lowest end current gen card we have

But we're waiting for a 3050 or 2660 entry

[brittle tinsel]

Wait could you connect 1 router to 1 switch with 2 PCs and the other router and 2 PCs to switch 2 and then link the switches?

[little osprey]

?

[stoic island]

Lili prob knows about server networking things

[potent portal]

Not a good idea combining the networks

[little osprey]

@hollow grail

[potent portal]

Unless you know how to do vlans

[brittle tinsel]

Never heard of vlans is it easy to learn?

[hollow grail]

no

[brittle tinsel]

I’m giessonf it stands for virtual lan?

[hollow grail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[potent portal]

Yes it does. And you need a managed switch to run them.

[brittle tinsel]

Ah

So what I’m getting is we can’t use lan with all PCs simultaneously with multiple routers

[potent portal]

For a home user, correct

[brittle tinsel]

What about if we all had motherboards with dual lan slots?

[potent portal]

That gets a LOT more complicated trying to connect to the internet 2 ways at the same time.
If you just want to play LAN and don't need the fast net access, a single switch will work perfectly. Just move your ethernet cables when you're playing LAN games to the switch.

[brittle tinsel]

The reason I’m trying to figure this out is because majoority or the games me play don’t have voice chat or voice chat causes errors, so discord is how we communicate

I’m down with complicated as long as it works

Especially if I stream, I don’t want them to have high latency and not having internet access while playing would make it impossible to play and stream

[hollow grail]

your config is bad

[brittle tinsel]

???

[potent portal]

The problem is without a third router in this case with fallback WAN there's no way to verify your packets are going the route you want them to

[hollow grail]

working around bad config leads to bad solutions

[brittle tinsel]

What about when we move and have access to fiber optic

And like 3 routers

[potent portal]

Better options include the satellite or hotspot providers for where you are now, then you only have one network and it's faster than crappy DSL

When you move, same effect you'll only have one network to work with so much, much simpler

[brittle tinsel]

We tried satellite and it only resulted in 300 ping gaming

[hollow grail]

might not be dsl

50mbps seems like bad coax

or top tier dsl but iirc dsl does 25mbps

[potent portal]

He said he only gets 20 though

and pays for 50 🤣

[brittle tinsel]

Paying for 50 and we are lucky to reach 20-25

Even on Ethernet

[potent portal]

Not getting the speed you're promised is reason enough to complain to them until they have to fix it

You're literally not getting what you're paying for

[brittle tinsel]

We did that initially and only got a second plan to help balance the loads

They pull that legal bullsh*t about it saying “up to “ x speeds

[potent portal]

If you live anywhere near a city, if your cell reception is 3 bars or better, mobile hotspot. I'm using one from t-mobile right now and my ping in ESO is the same as when I was on cable, maybe 10-15 ms higher

[brittle tinsel]

I get 1 bar if I’m lucky

Mostly dead zone around here

[potent portal]

For all providers though?

[brittle tinsel]

No service for anyone but at

AT&T

And we tried everyone with in a 100 mile radius

We live hours from nearest city

[potent portal]

https://www.ubersignal.com/surecall-flare-signal-booster-kit-voice-3g-4g-lte.html

Signal boosters

I've seen people build their own signal booster tower. One guy lived on top of a literal mountain, 0 signal, put his tower up and boom signal.

[brittle tinsel]

alright all I need answered, and only a simple yes or no, im not worried about how hard or near impossible it is.
is it possible to have a dual lan mobo plugs into the internet and another computer simultaneously?

not meant to come off as rude, just genuinely curious

[potent portal]

Possible? Yes

[wise sorrel]

https://www.newegg.com/odyssey-custom-01-rtl/p/3D5-0012-000T3

This a decent gaming pre build? For a buddy

[potent portal]

Not bad for entry level, but I want to know how they got DDR3 into a computer with a 1030 🤣

Oh wait I see they copied the specs from a 4570

No even worse, it IS a 4570

[wise sorrel]

I onno haha, my buddy has a limited budget and wants to play newer stufft lol, I told him he may want to update the ram

[potent portal]

RUN

RUN FAST

[wise sorrel]

Y

[potent portal]

RUN FAR

[next kestrel]

3200G or 3400G pc better

[potent portal]

i5 4570

[wise sorrel]

How is that bad, just curious

[potent portal]

It's from 2013

[muted patio]

Way old stuff

[wise sorrel]

Ah

Back to searching for him

[potent portal]

An i3 10100 is far better and cheaper

[next kestrel]

https://www.newegg.com/ipason-3200g/p/3D5-001U-00035?Description=3200g pc&cm_re=3200g_pc-_-3D5-001U-00035-_-Product

this is a bit better

[wise sorrel]

Will it play like warzone and ark?

[next kestrel]

warzone idk abt

ark yea

[potent portal]

Integrated graphics lol

And only 120 GB of storage total

[little osprey]

Xeon E5 2650 for gaming?

[wise sorrel]

Need something warzone Oriented plus steam possibly lol

[potent portal]

A 2.6 GHz processor from 2013? No. Games want single core speed more than they want core count.

That would make a good minecraft server chip though

[little osprey]

8c though

What If it’s with good Gpu

[potent portal]

Sure, 8 cores, 16 threads, but slow cores

A good GPU can only carry it so far

[little osprey]

Would any game kick its hiney?

[potent portal]

Anything newer than 2015 probably would be too much for it

For reference, an i3 10100 kicks it across the street so hard it doesn't know what happened until the cache catches up

[muted patio]

Core speed and IPC mean a LOT

[little osprey]

What Xeon would be better for similar price

[muted patio]

Why Xeon? A 10100 runs circles around those

[little osprey]

Cheap

[potent portal]

They're cheap for a reason

And I'm seeing Xeon 26XX chips going for the same price as a 10100 too

[little osprey]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SR0KQ-E5-2650-Xeon-2GHz-8-Core-Socket-LGA2011-Processor-/124456137537?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

[potent portal]

Still, cheap for a reason

[next kestrel]

if u get a decent price on the mobo and the ram

sure it'll be worth

[potent portal]

Needs ECC memory though

Depending on the board at least, but usually

[muted patio]

Yeah

[little osprey]

Would i5 3470 be better

[muted patio]

For modern gaming? no

[potent portal]

Better than the xeon for gaming, but still bad

[little osprey]

Could it play games like fortnite

[potent portal]

In 480p maybe

Maybe 720 medium

[little osprey]

Would 3570k do better

[potent portal]

Slightly

Still 720 range

[little osprey]

Dang

What’s a better sub $50 cpu then

@potent portal

[potent portal]

Best I can find for around $50
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i5-4590S-3GHz-Quad-Cores-LGA1150-Processor-SR1QN-Fast-Shipping/184670724887?epid=580830481&hash=item2aff3ba317%3Ag%3AoZAAAOSw6EZgIwWu&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=4
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i5-4590S-3-0-GHz-CPU-Processor/254872239334?epid=580830481&hash=item3b5791bce6%3Ag%3AXygAAOSwIWBeTRtS&LH_BIN=1&LH_ItemCondition=4

Still not going to come close to touching anything made in the last 3 years

Even the last generation 9100 kicks its butt

And the 8100 from the generation before that

[little osprey]

Is it better than that Xeon

[potent portal]

Yes

[little osprey]

L

[little osprey]

Can someone send a link to a cheap 16gb kit of RGB ram ddr4

[little osprey]

https://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-SILVERLINE-PC4-17000-Dual-Channel-MSL4U213FF8GX2/dp/B07CH15RH6/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=16GB+DDR4+2133&qid=1613704649&sr=8-4

2133

you asked for cheap, I brought cheap.

[potent portal]

No RGB tho

https://www.newegg.com/oloy-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821106?&quicklink=true

That set has RGB

[little osprey]

but it 3000 mhz

[potent portal]

RAM market is a bit borked right now, speed doesn't matter for price for some reason

That's the cheapest 16gb RGB set on newegg that doesn't look horrible

The horrible one is only $1 cheaper

[little osprey]

that was 67 dollars

the other one was i think

78

[little osprey]

@muted patio Lmao

it arrived in KY, uhhhhh

[muted patio]

Bruh

You know geography right?

Where is Kentucky in relation to Indiana?

[little osprey]

Yes.

[muted patio]

it's almost there

[little osprey]

Lmao I thought it would go straight to indiana

and watch the motherboard be in worse condition than it originally was in.

[potent portal]

Not when it's going halfway across the country

[little osprey]

[little osprey]

Because I thought the route would be California---->Nevada---->Arizona--->New Mexico--->Taxas--->Oklahoma and then Missouri, Illinois and indiana

cause earlier today it was in Illinois

[little osprey]

Ordered my ram aio cooler and psu so far

[desert gulch]

damn thats expensive

what psu?

[little osprey]

Is a 750 watt psu will probably end up selling it locally for what I paid for it and going with 1000

Going to use a 3070 or 3080 and they both specify 750 minimum but there are draw spikes which would require higher from what I understand

[tulip frost]

I need help sourcing parts for what im going to need for mining with 2-4 rtx 3060, motherboard cpu psu?

[potent portal]

Do you have the GPUs already? They're going to be tough to find

[tulip frost]

Well no, but i hope to be able grab a cpl right away, and even if not, im really just looking for a guideline, what to look for and what to avoid

so far all i got is some gpus, a rack, and a celeron or some cheap cpu and then compatible motherboard. im lost from there

[potent portal]

If it's a pure mining setup you don't need a super powerful processor, just use what you can get and a motherboard that will support all the GPU slots you need

[tulip frost]

right, im kinda stuck there with the pci express 1 2.0 3.0 4.0, m.2 slots

[little osprey]

Sending some not so smart people your way.

Im sorry.

[potent portal]

Ideally you'd get a board with gen 4 slots, so they can run at x4 speed and still have plenty of bandwidth

[little osprey]

^

Gen4 or Gen3

[potent portal]

M.2 slots don't matter for this case

[little osprey]

Both work technically.

[tulip frost]

yeah

[little osprey]

The benefits towards gen4 is marginal

compared to gen3

[potent portal]

But for mining you'll want gen 4 for 3060s

[little osprey]

M.2's, ?

Why lol

Motherboards would need those special risers.

For Eth/bitcoin

[tulip frost]

m.2s if irun out of pci express

[little osprey]

Not how it works.

[potent portal]

Yeah just use a sata SSD and save the bandwidth, don't use the M.2

[little osprey]

M.2 is storage.

If your using like a b450

yeah use sata.

a m.2 might choke the lane out.

Especially NVME Gen4

They can use PCIE up to x4

IIRC

and b450, x4 and x2

[potent portal]

Not on B450

[little osprey]

Oh?

No

is it b550 that halfs the speed?

with Gen4 SSD's

[potent portal]

X570 has more lanes to use

[little osprey]

But X570 uses x4, x2?

x4* x4

[tulip frost]

crazy world

[little osprey]

For example, TUF X570 Plus should run M.2's at x4 in M.2_1, and M.2_2

Unless you have a dozen Sata connections.

[tulip frost]

i wont

[muted patio]

You have x4 and GEN 4 mixed up

[little osprey]

ohy

Oh

lmao

[potent portal]

X570 is the only one that the chipset gives gen 4 lanes

[muted patio]

x4 is physical lanes

[little osprey]

Ah.

Yeah.

[muted patio]

Gen is speed

[little osprey]

But yeah, X570. Sorry

my brain oof.

Oh yeah.

My correction.

B450 should be Gen3

[potent portal]

B550 you still get gen 4 lanes but only the ones the processor gives

[little osprey]

And B550 ^

[potent portal]

B450 should be gen 3 only

[little osprey]

yes

No gen4

You should just need a mining riser.

Are you mining BTC or ETH?

IIRC isn't bitcoin currently in the midsts of transitioning to ASIC's

[potent portal]

BTC is too difficult right now

[little osprey]

For ETH, you would want 3060ti

3060 might work

[tulip frost]

eth and lite

[little osprey]

but the driver halves the rate.

But then

[potent portal]

Much more profit in ETH

[little osprey]

it's already been fixed lol

[tulip frost]

i own bit eth and lite

[little osprey]

^

what else would you need?

I know you need Risers

and a CPU

[potent portal]

Power supply

[little osprey]

Power supply yeah

a beefy one

[potent portal]

At least a 1200 with enough PCIe connectors for all the cards

[little osprey]

Do you even need an OS?

Ive seen some rigs without OS's

[potent portal]

Yes lol

[little osprey]

But that was ASIC

Lol

[potent portal]

And don't forget, push memory clock as high as you can and drop core clock down as low as you can to save power/maximize profit

Play with each card a bit to see what settings get the best results (hash rate) on each card, they WILL be different

[tulip frost]

mmk

[little osprey]

Drop core clock and mem yeah.

3060ti mine better than 3070s but not 3080s

3060ti>3070<3080

[potent portal]

Better profit levels at least, but not hash rate

[little osprey]

3090 is god awful

[little osprey]

hashrate is 99 MH on the 3080, about 60 on the 3070 and about 62-65 on the 3060ti

Mando got to 99

by changing the pads of a 3080

lo

lol

[potent portal]

Right, and power/hash ratio is best on 3060 ti

Therefore most profit

[tulip frost]

3060 has less cuda cores but 4gb more vram

[potent portal]

We'll have to wait for independent tests to see what that actually means for mining/gaming

[tulip frost]

yeah, by that time there all sold out and on ebay for double

[potent portal]

Usually reviews get posted right before launch

If you know who to watch

[tulip frost]

well its a week

away

[little osprey]

3060ti is best rn

RN

But 3060 might be iffy

but I can tell u for sure.

[potent portal]

Yeah, and I bet the cards have already shipped to reviewers but they're legally not allowed to talk about them until the day before launch

[tulip frost]

yeah

[little osprey]

NVIDIA's half cut on hashrate will be fixed easily.

[tulip frost]

u like the ti's over 3080s?

disregarding all the hooplah

[potent portal]

From past launches, reviewers receive their cards 3-4 days before launch to run their tests and make videos, and they are allowed to launch videos the day before

3080 is rough on power supplies

MAJOR power spikes

[little osprey]

No.

3060ti has great hash for price

3080s can hit like 99 MH

IN PERFECT CONDITIONS

More like 85

in normal.

[potent portal]

You need an A tier power supply with 750 watts just to run a single 3080, or a B tier 850

[little osprey]

You could buy a ton more 3060tis

and they wouldn't draw so much power.

[tulip frost]

yeah but for half the price 3060 ti gets you 60 mhs

i see

[potent portal]

Right, faster return on investment

Less money up front and less power used in the long run

[little osprey]

and it actually exists

unlike 3080s on the scalped market

unless your willing to pay 2k

for 1.

[potent portal]

Just for a second, imagine the power supply needed to run FOUR 3080s

That's like, 3000 watts lol

[tulip frost]

yeah ive been looking into mining for while since buying into crypto, but all the gpu hooplah i was like meh, till i seen newer cheaper ones coming out

[muted patio]

Not quite. Each card is ~400 watts peak

[potent portal]

Even with the spikes?

[little osprey]

You need to do tweaking

[muted patio]

Total system power recommended supply is 850 watts

Yeah, the transients are just over 400W

[little osprey]

Ripples

Basically

[potent portal]

For 4 3080s mining?

[little osprey]

but first is, if you can get your 3080s

[muted patio]

They'll draw less power mining

[little osprey]

3080s don't exist and im sure physical stores will be sus

with you buying 4 of them lol

[potent portal]

Yeah they'll be putting limits on you, 1 per customer

[muted patio]

At worst it's 489W for less than 1 millisecond

[tulip frost]

yeah it says the 3060 are 170w but required system ppower is 550 or sumin

[little osprey]

Because estimating

Motherboards

Ram

CPU

[tulip frost]

yeah

[potent portal]

So more like a 2000 watt supply, still 🔥

[little osprey]

^

2000 to be safe

400, 1600w

"Max"

I put that in quotes cause its not true.

ripples can hit hard.

[tulip frost]

i seen a guy with like 8 rx 580 on a 850w psu

[little osprey]

RX are lower power consumption cards.

[potent portal]

Well sure those draw almost no power mining

[tulip frost]

oh

ok

[little osprey]

...

Bruh

lol

[muted patio]

Well, mining is also a constant load unlike gaming which loads and unloads things constantly. I'd imagine the transients would be much less mining

[little osprey]

^

also make sure to have extra thermal pads

[still roost]

St. Kupid#4421 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

Heard some cards can get hot

LOL

F

Luckily my thermal pads are somewhat decent

Never get this hot, even gaming

[tulip frost]

u got 3070?

[potent portal]

Well you also have core -502 lol

[little osprey]

so close.

[muted patio]

There's no ram temp there lol

[little osprey]

yep

no sensors

i have to guestimate

and feel the card.

[muted patio]

Afterburner doesn't report ram temps.......

not as far as I know?

[little osprey]

no.

[potent portal]

Nope

[little osprey]

My card doesn't have sensors

LOL

HWINFO doesn't report it back either.

[muted patio]

Uh huh

[potent portal]

If it does hwinfo will read it

[muted patio]

What about GPU-Z?

[little osprey]

I don't have "memory junction temp"

lol

[muted patio]

Nope

just checked

[muted patio]

P500A so pog lol. My Toshiba HDWE is at 21C

[little osprey]

lol.

[little osprey]

ive made a dollar in 5 hours

correction. 2 dollars

[muted patio]

Huh

I wonder if 3070's just don't have VRAM sensors

[little osprey]

no

some do.

I heard it was just this model.

[muted patio]

My EVGA doesn't

[little osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NiceHash/comments/kuze6o/does_the_memory_on_the_rtx_3070_have_a_different/

Hmm

So EVGA, MSI and Zotac can't

last comment says "very few"

[muted patio]

heh

[little osprey]

maybe like the vision

hehehe

[muted patio]

HWINFO64 reads my EVGA CLC360 as an NZXT Kraken

[little osprey]

wut

[potent portal]

My 2070 doesn't report VRAM temp either, just core

[little osprey]

Funny

Wait

here

"Only 3080s/3090s report vram temp"

https://www.reddit.com/r/NiceHash/comments/lecn0z/rtx_3070_vision_backplate_too_hot/

Something to do with the 6x?

[muted patio]

Probs

That's what I was assuming

[little osprey]

yep

[desert gulch]

that dude is an idiot

like hell yes the backplate is gonna be hot

why would you be touching it when pc is on and running?

[muted patio]

Backplate hot = doing it's job

[little osprey]

lol

[desert gulch]

yup

[muted patio]

Means you have crap for airflow

XD

[little osprey]

Forks just spammed my message with 500 stonks emote

[desert gulch]

mine gets hot

[little osprey]

overclocking ram

[desert gulch]

ive touched mine after shutting down pc

its pretty hot after gaming

[little osprey]

However now i need to figure out how to tighten

Wait Racer.

Whats the point of tightening if you convert ram NS?

For example my 3733 CL18 is >3200CL16

[muted patio]

Get the timing down == faster

[little osprey]

Even though it translates?

to 3200

[muted patio]

Well, your memory is 3733

With timings of 3200

[little osprey]

?

What

lol

[muted patio]

You want that first word fast

[little osprey]

isn't it CL18

18-18-36

or whatever

[muted patio]

Sigh. First word latency

[little osprey]

oh.

[muted patio]

That's the CAS and the speed math

[frank stirrup]

CL is latency

[muted patio]

You want that as low as possible

[little osprey]

Yas.

[frank stirrup]

Lower CL is faster in games

[little osprey]

Oh.

[muted patio]

Faster in everything

[little osprey]

So 3733 ram would be pog

even in cl16

time to learn memory tightens

I can't do it with a calc

Its Mdie

lol

[muted patio]

Yeah, might not be able to

[frank stirrup]

Yeah so its sometimes worth going for lower CL even if it means going with lower frequency

[muted patio]

Right. 3600C16 (8.88) is faster than 3733 C18 (9.6)

[little osprey]

Oh yeah

Oops

sry

[little osprey]

That makes sense

yeah

3600C16 faster than 3733C18, but I can always get it higher than faster than 3200Cl16

if that makes sense.

[muted patio]

That extra 133MT/s bandwidth won't make up for the slower first word latency

[little osprey]

so let me guess.

Mess with the TRCD values lol

Oh im stupid

cause also look at how many cycles.

[little osprey]

ticking sound from pump is so annoying

[proven terrace]

How you can do?

[prime plover]

Is your name saying the ryzen 5 3600x doesn't bottleneck a 3080?

[sharp blade]

Should i get the Dark hero x570? Or the Crosshair Viii ?

[stoic island]

@muted patio keep in mind that's fake first word read, that's calculated with Cas latency / (mhz/2000), it's just the cas latency, but in ns.
Real first word read is calculated with (tRCD + tCL + BL) / (mhz/2000)
(BL on ddr4 is always 4)

[warm swift]

Mr1111 can i show you something?

[stoic island]

Sure

[warm swift]

basically my build

i want it to look like this

thing is i thought of something, what if i get Deepcool AIO, take the fans and replace them with the corsair ones, and take those deepcool fans and put them in my brother's pc

wouldnt that be cheaper?

[stoic island]

uh what

[warm swift]

look

my brother im getting him a cooler master h500 case

and im getting a deepcool aio for myself and replacing them with corsair fans, and i saw that cooler master h500 only takes 3 fans, so isnt it a good idea to put those 3 deepcool fans in the h500 case that my brother is going to have?

[stoic island]

H500 doesn't need extra fans, and why is it cheaper to swap in fans for the aio???

[warm swift]

no like

[stoic island]

Explain?

[warm swift]

i want to use the corsair fans on the deepcool AIO, im saying that in the H500 case i can put 3 fans

[stoic island]

tbh I'd just buy a corsair aio at that point

H500 doesn't gain much if any with extra fans, except for rearexhaust might help a little

[warm swift]

yeah but a 360mm doesnt come with rgb

[stoic island]

..

[warm swift]

ik its dumb to not want an AIO just because of RGB i get that, but i want to make it feel like the computer im giving for my brother like i want it to feel brand new

[stoic island]

I'd personally just go for something else in terms of the aio lel, mainly because ll120's and such are SO GOD DAMN EXPENSIVE

3 ll120s are the cost of a 360mm aio :P

[warm swift]

i mean yeah i do understand that 3 fan pack of ll120's are pretty expensive and i get that your 100% right but i am getting them, but i thought that the deepcool AIO is really good so i thought that i would get it replace the fans that come with it with LL120's and put those Deepcool fans in my brother's computer

[stoic island]

(I don't think the deepcool aio is good either, that's another reason why I'm against it)

[warm swift]

the Deepcool Castle 360 RGB V2 is not good?

[stoic island]

I'll need to check testing again, iirc it was below mediocre

[warm swift]

like the chart?

[uncut pelican]

How do we feel abt this Check this out on @Newegg: SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E1T0BW https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-1tb/p/N82E16820147691?Item=N82E16820147691&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-147-691-_-02192021

Also could the cmos battery be causing why my debug lights are always on

[amber remnant]

Hey guys! I could use some help.

So a few minutes after I woke up this morning, my pc turned itself on and opened up to the bios and it’s not giving me anyway out of it.

Anybody have any thoughts?

[frank stirrup]

Do u use a sata boot drive or an m.2?

[amber remnant]

M.2

[frank stirrup]

Does your motherboard have another m.2 slot?

[amber remnant]

Yes it has two. Only one is in use

[frank stirrup]

Try putting the ssd in the other slot

and manually choosing tat slot in the boot order of the bios

[amber remnant]

Ok I give it a try. Thanks!

[frank stirrup]

Also did you update windows recently or have multiple operating systems on the same drive?

[amber remnant]

Only one OS and unless it manually updated, no.

Hahaha lol this is awkward!
So one of the things earlier was restarting it but that didn’t work. Lol and then a friend walks in, he restarts it and now it works😂

[frank stirrup]

Haha yeah pcs do be like that sometimes

[amber remnant]

Thanks for your help anyway though

[sharp blade]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/fcwkcf/gskill-trident-z-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-4000-cl16-memory-f4-4000c16d-32gtzr?history_days=120

why are they so cheap?

[little osprey]

wow looks cool bro

[stoic island]

uh what

300 euros is not cheap

@sharp blade should be like 200 euros, :P

[rancid lodge]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374107?Description=RAM&cm_re=RAM-_-20-374-107-_-Product&quicklink=true
would this be some good RAM for a Ryzen 9 5900x?

[muted patio]

Actually, yes.

[rancid lodge]

ended up returning my 3200 as it wasn't too much hassle

[muted patio]

Cas is a little slow but it's OK

[rancid lodge]

alright nice

[sharp blade]

for 32gb with 4000mhz?

[muted patio]

If your chip won't do 2000 FCLK, leave it at 3800 and tighten the timings a bit

[stoic island]

Yea

[muted patio]

Yes https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374107?Description=RAM&cm_re=RAM-_-20-374-107-_-Product&quicklink=true

[stoic island]

32gb 3600c16 should be around like 160 or so

@muted patio germany but yea, prices usually correlate pretty well

[rancid lodge]

mhm, yeah I'll need to make sure that it's not too much for the thing lol

[sharp blade]

then why do i have 16gb with 3600mhz for over 100?

xD

[stoic island]

Because people being dumb

Should be 70 or so, 80 nowadays

[sharp blade]

What would be better? the gskill or the ballistix max 4000mhz cl18

[stoic island]

Ballistix imo

Ballistix max is usually crazy expensive tho

[mental steeple]

Not good, 970 evo is an aged inefficient underperformer.

[muted patio]

If you aren't going to overclock and just run XMP, get whichever is cheaper

[mental steeple]

Good for $105-$110, not for $140, much better options available

[muted patio]

And at 4000, there's no room to overclock

[stoic island]

@mental steeple except lili likes the software, that's about all that's special with it

[mental steeple]

liking software

sir

i like hardware

[stoic island]

Aparently the samsung software p gud tho

[muted patio]

It is

For noobs who have never done it before it doesn't get any easier

[stoic island]

Anyways evo not good at all at the usual 150$, 130$ only if mp34 and co are out of stock, 110$ good

[muted patio]

Things like Reflect are a little overwhelming to newbies

[mental steeple]

BRO

MUSHKIN PILOT-E BRO

IM TELLING YOU ITS GOOD

[unreal oasis]

Guys I have a friend that needs help. She purchased a computer back a couple months ago and is having issues. Heres her description. I’ve tried to help with various things. But I thought I’d get some more eyes on the situation.

My computer will shut off randomly without any blue screen and reset itself. No error messages pop up with it reboots and this has happened after 15 minutes of activity or 8 hours of activity. It mostly happens when I’m playing games but happens when I’m just browsing the web as well. Stress tests were done and there wasn’t a problem with over heating and it indicated everything was running well. The power supply has been swapped out as well.

[muted patio]

have her download and run whocrashed. It's a dump file extractor that will say what some of the issues are hopefully. https://www.resplendence.com/download/whocrashedSetup.exe

[stoic island]

@mental steeple I KNOW ITS GOOD

[unreal oasis]

I’ll look into that.

[stoic island]

That's why I said mp34&co

[muted patio]

Yes, please do

Let us know what it finds

[unreal oasis]

Will do.

[muted patio]

Might be a hardware issue, might be a software issue

[stoic island]

@mental steeple generally mp34 better value imo, but mp34, pilot e, maybe helix L on the low end, sn750, sabrent rocket, all good

[muted patio]

Ran into that same issue on my wifes PC, turns out the ram was kaput

[mental steeple]

what do you mean

pilot-E is regularly like

$1 cheaper than the mp34

performance is barely better on the pilot-E too iirc

[stoic island]

I might be looking at the wrong places then, dunno, usually see it at like 120 130 lol

[mental steeple]

pcpartpicker shows it at $109 all the time

[stoic island]

Hm

Oh interesting it is

I'm probably going crazy again

[little osprey]

Why is ram market bad rn

[stoic island]

Ddr5 production prob

[little osprey]

someone told me older cpus were trash compared to new cpus lol boy the numbers sure tell me otherwise

USBM

[little osprey]

Some are some aren’t

[muted patio]

Keep going

[little osprey]

Me?

[muted patio]

Userbench is oof

Don't use it

[stoic island]

@little osprey don't use userbenchmark

Passmark is better for a sense of performance

[muted patio]

CPU-Monkey also

They do actual benchmarks

[stoic island]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleCompare.php

Hm

Link work

[viral ore]

i like https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

[little osprey]

6600k is still better price to performance vs a 10100 lol I'd rather spend 50-60 bucks on a 6600k then 120 on a 10100 and not get much of a performance gap that's noticeably visible

I like https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

[little osprey]

Dead socket

Slower ram

[muted patio]

No upgrade path

[viral ore]

50-60 for a 6600k? thats just wishful thinking

used price for 6600k is about the same as the 10100

[little osprey]

Yeah

[stoic island]

If you can actually find a 6600k for 50-60$, and a board for <100$, yea, go ahead, but that's not usually the case

[viral ore]

they selling for 95-150 on ebay

[little osprey]

@muted patio I figured out the long boot btw, one of my hard drives are bad

[muted patio]

OOOF

did you check SMART data?

Or a chkdsk or something?

[little osprey]

okay but if you have a low budget build budget of like 400-500 bucks I'd get a 6600k and a 1060 3gb card and 16gb of ram for 300 bucks and theirs 2 6600k cpus in 20 miles of m3 for around 50-70 bucks

Windows wouldn’t even detect the drive

It like sometimes would sometimes wouldn’t

Weird

[stoic island]

@little osprey local used market not applicable to the whole market

[little osprey]

cause the whole markets wack rn XD

[stoic island]

Yes

[little osprey]

10100 smarter

[muted patio]

and cheaper. I did a 10100 build with ram and mobo for $300

[viral ore]

6600k is 4c/4t, 10100 is 4c/8t

[muted patio]

add a used GPU for $100 and it's $400

[viral ore]

10100 also has better single core perf

and is on a newer socket

10100 is the no brainer here

[muted patio]

And has an upgrade path

[little osprey]

honestly I don't care for Intel anymore anyway lol switched to amd a year ago and won't ever go back

[muted patio]

without having to replace everything

[stoic island]

Well

[muted patio]

Fun fact

Intel 10400 beats the 3600 in games 😉

and is cheaper

[little osprey]

Bruh

[stoic island]

Intel screwed us with h410 and b460 no 11th gen support

[little osprey]

not when I paid 60 bucks for mine on the used market XD

[muted patio]

Right?

[stoic island]

It's sad

H470 got it

[little osprey]

10100 is better for performance by like 5 percent lol and 60 bucks for a used 3600 vs 120 for a new Intel chip lol ima always go used then new

[viral ore]

3600 isnt 60 used

[little osprey]

mine was

[muted patio]

Userbench is innaccurate

[viral ore]

so you got lucky

doesnt apply to everyone

[stoic island]

Local used market is not applicable to overall market again

We don't quite care about aruing about your choice, we like to talk about the general situation

[muted patio]

It's more like 20% over a 4770K single core

WHich matters for games

[viral ore]

we dont waste our time scouring peoples local market for them, we go by the generally accepted market price

[little osprey]

6600k lol ? like 5 percent

[muted patio]

23% for multi core

12% single core

[stoic island]

Against 6600k, more than 10% single thread performance
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i3-10100-vs-Intel-i5-6600K/3717vs2570

[viral ore]

HT on the 10100 alone makes it superior

[stoic island]

Yea HT is nice too

[muted patio]

31% multi core

Far more than 5%

[little osprey]

lol how much is actually visually noticeable lol

[stoic island]

4c4t is slowly moving away from being "all you need for gaming"

Well, not really slowly considering aaa games

You're not gonna have a fun time on any modern aaa title with 4c4t

I'm too lazy to look up game benchmarks, but I bet that difference results in something similar to a 10% fps difference

[viral ore]

plus most games are gonna stutter like hell with only 4 available threads with windows 10 in the background

[little osprey]

lol what are you talking about lol I was perfectly fine with 100fps with a 6600k and a 780 ti superclocked card as my second build a year ago lol

[viral ore]

and what you played minecraft?

rocket league?

cs:go?

[little osprey]

nope , GTA 5 , Friday the 13th , Naruto storm 4 , all at medium settings

[viral ore]

gta5 is like, 8 years old

[little osprey]

and ?

[viral ore]

it recommends a 3470

4c/4t ivy bridge chip

[little osprey]

yeah at 480p low XD

[stoic island]

Welp, whatever works for you works for you, but it doesn't mean it'll work well for others

@little osprey bro I can get 30fps constant on gta 5 on a laptop iGPU

It's a joke how much of a potato you can use

And how unoptimized the high end is

[little osprey]

i just thinking buying all new parts is a sham rn lol scalpers and people rn want too much for a system that to me doesn't seem different then my 3600 , 16gb of ram at 3200mhz and a 5500xt lol and I have about 570$ into that build lol

[viral ore]

ok

[stoic island]

Again

US used market sucks rn

Look up any graphics card

[little osprey]

it works fine for others , their just picky lol and want top of the line stuff

[viral ore]

@stoic island y u no do skool?

[viral ore]

no, you're just misinformed

[muted patio]

it's a big picture vs small picture thing

[little osprey]

anyone can play at 1080p and enjoy a game , we did for years , anything above that is just personal preference, not what is playable

[viral ore]

ok but cpu has nothing to do with render resolution

[stoic island]

@viral ore class ended, next class no start yet

@little osprey dunno, I can't enjoy ark because of the low fps, even though I have a 2070

So I just don't play ark

[little osprey]

lol okay let me correct myself , anyone can play at 1080p 60 fps and enjoy playing a game , anything above that is who has the biggest stick at the playground lol , playing a game is playing a game , anything above is just personal preference

[half solstice]

I have a 1050 TI and a ryzen 7 2700X which one should I upgrade first?

[stoic island]

@little osprey I personally can't enjoy 60fps with drops, hell, 80fps with drops, stuttering really hurts my enjoyment in games.

[little osprey]

okay play at 1080p lol

[stoic island]

@little osprey I do play at 1080p

I have a lot of fun in most games

except ark

[little osprey]

scale it down then, 60 fps is completely playable , we have done it since 2010 lol

[stoic island]

the issue isn't average

the issue is drops

hell, I had issues with 144fps average, but for every time I turn to drop to 10fps in bdo once

and it was completely unplayable

60fps constant is great

definitely playable

it's drops that kill playability imo

I can play on this laptop with 10fps just fine

[little osprey]

then idk I play 1080p medium on all my games with over 80fps and don't get drops

[stoic island]

unoptimized games like ark, just an example of how it isn't enjoyable

[little osprey]

I only play league , Friday the 13th ,genshin impact and Naruto storm 4 so I wouldn't know anything about ark

[stoic island]

just talking about this again

¯_(ツ)_/¯

statistics are fun, we can objectively talk about statistics on performance

for how you like the performance, it's all about you

[little osprey]

idk I'm not a statistics person , if I can play it with 60fps without drops at the least I'm happy

my 5500xt 8gb and 3600 gpu hold up well for me so I'm happy with it , for the games I play anything more is just a waste of money for me

[wary geode]

got mine for 25$ for a 6 pack 🙂

[stoic island]

Welp, point is, statistics are fun things that can be objective

[wary geode]

yeah

[stoic island]

nice

[feral bobcat]

hi guys im looking for the best studio monitor $150
overall

is akg good

akg K240 MKII

?

[stoic island]

Studio monitor?

All I know about akg is that they make k371 lol

@feral bobcat so are you trying to get best monitor in terms of color accuracy?

[little osprey]

Beyerdynamics dt990 Pro 250ohm 🤔

I joined to air cooler gang lol 😂

[desert gulch]

Pog

[hoary warren]

what do you guys think what gpu i should get out of these few (3060ti) Asus ROG STRIX, Gigabyte Aorus, 3070 MSI geforce Ventus, msi trio 3060ti

[uncut pelican]

What are the prices on all of them

Cuz if you can get one get the cheapest lol

[hoary warren]

@uncut pelican The price doesnt matter for me right now but theyre all around like 500-700

yeah i would but if im gonna buy a 3000 serires card i wanna get one that i love and wouldnt wanna replace after a few months

[uncut pelican]

Ok i suggest the gigabyte or asus

[hoary warren]

yeah thats what im thinking im probably gonna get the asus one

[uncut pelican]

Cool

I got a gigabyte

Eagle

[little osprey]

I got gigabyte 3070 Vision 😎

[feral bobcat]

not funny studio headphones

[ocean ether]

Nice

[little osprey]

check Beyerdynamics and Sennheiser . those german brands are great

[feral bobcat]

im noob

😄

😂

sennheiser plz

[stoic island]

what

@feral bobcat you said monitors

so I thought akg made monitors or smth

[little osprey]

lol

studio monitors means speakers or headphones lol

[stoic island]

@feral bobcat also, open back or closed back

wait

I'm confused

IEMs?

does sennheiser or beyer make IEMs?

[muted patio]

AKG371

[stoic island]

@muted patio they might be on about in ear monitors

[little osprey]

akg is not good as sennheiser or Beyerdynamics mostly

[stoic island]

might not be over ear

[little osprey]

akg is samsung brand so

[muted patio]

Depends on the sound you're going for

[stoic island]

@little osprey no, k371 slaps in terms of closed backs

[muted patio]

Yes, I have

[little osprey]

I had akg k240 but its eh

Does anyone know how to fix a R9 fury x that turns on but won’t post

[feral bobcat]

a $150 studio plz

[little osprey]

Sennheiser hd598 rocks 👍

Sennheiser hd 300 pro

theyre about that price

[feral bobcat]

thanks

[little osprey]

and Beyerdynamics DT990 Pro

[muted patio]

K371 on sale, just sayin

https://www.amazon.com/AKG-Pro-Audio-Headphones-K371/dp/B07WZH7WM9

[little osprey]

foldable eww

😂

[feral bobcat]

😭 its $625 hd598

[muted patio]

Trust me, they sound good. But keep comparing them to the K240's

[little osprey]

I do trust you lol

I have more than enough headphones lol

[fossil halo]

lmao

isnt lance the headphone master

[little osprey]

Beyerdynamics dt990 pro , sennheiser hd598 , Sennheiser hd400 , akg k240 and more lol

[fossil halo]

wow

i have

status cb-1's

and some broken soundcore life 2 nc's

[little osprey]

lol

[fossil halo]

cb1 is ok

little low on the bass tho

but they are comfortable so i like them

[little osprey]

I using Beyerdynamics mostly . and sennheiser hd400s for road listening

[muted patio]

Stolen from #peripherals-and-displays

[junior sky]

[fossil halo]

ah i see

[muted patio]

Cheat sheet lol

[fossil halo]

i just wear apple earbuds away from home

they do me just fine

[little osprey]

Sennheiser hd6xx is really good

[muted patio]

I will say the AKG IEM's that came with my S10+ are pretty pog

[fossil halo]

LMFAO

i had those too

with my s10e

but

||i totally didnt lose them||

i used to use the ones that came with my dad's s9

[muted patio]

Compared to the Sennheisers I've purchased and other IEM's, they sound the best

[little osprey]

I love german brands on music 😂

[fossil halo]

but then one day i just woke up and one earbud got cleanly sliced off

idek how

like the wire was cut

i got sad

[muted patio]

weird

[still roost]

biggasamboori#4411 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[muted patio]

Got pets?

[fossil halo]

other than a pet sister none

LMFAO

JKJKJKJK

[muted patio]

Huh, my cat likes to nibble on my earbuds

[little osprey]

im brand addict lol

[muted patio]

Gotta keep em safe

[fossil halo]

oh lmao

yea

i should try and find those samsung earbuds

they are pretty good

[muted patio]

can't remember which sennies I have but the AKG's are superior

[fossil halo]

they stopped shipping them with the s21 tho 😠

i hate apple so much for that

[still roost]

biggasamboori#4411 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

biggasamboori#4411 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[little osprey]

lmao

[stoic island]

Lol

[muted patio]

oof

[stoic island]

Tbh 6xx seems to just be the headphones you get if you love mids

[fossil halo]

bruh

vanity url is nice tho ngl

[stoic island]

Not much else

[fossil halo]

easy to find

[little osprey]

I mostly listening Rock or metal songs so mids are more important to me

[fossil halo]

idek what the highs and mids even mean

[little osprey]

so sennheiser is superior

[fossil halo]

i just know that lows is bass

i think

idek what i listen to anymore

like

[stoic island]

Closed back stuff like k371 should be godly for lows

Where'd bekora go

[fossil halo]

chinese pop, a bit of house, and some spanish party music

touch of hip hop like once every two months

[stoic island]

@muted patio how does the bass on the k371 sound for you?

[muted patio]

Well, I'm running them on my Zen Dac so

pretty danged good

I haven't tried on Realtek

[stoic island]

Oh yea

[little osprey]

@muted patio thanks for cooler advice yesterday lol I got that gammax 400 it performs similar to aio lol

[fossil halo]

wait can a dac boost your bass?

[muted patio]

It's surprisingly great for what it is lol

[fossil halo]

i have my headphones eq'ed in realtek console

[little osprey]

rip

[muted patio]

Once you go DAC you never go back

[fossil halo]

lol

[stoic island]

@feral bobcat you could start off with something like Zen dac and then something from koss, for upgradability

[muted patio]

Sound is GOdlY compared to onboard garbage

[feral bobcat]

$150 studio plz

[little osprey]

I using audio interface for amping headphones

[fossil halo]

this is my preset

[little osprey]

rip

[fossil halo]

i have this thing

[little osprey]

I never using eq

[fossil halo]

like this usb sound card or something

[little osprey]

flat sounds

[fossil halo]

like

[stoic island]

Eq makes sound eh

[muted patio]

Sound cards are honestly oof also

[feral bobcat]

how much is fiio k5 pro

[fossil halo]

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-CableCreation-External-Windows-Drivers/dp/B01H2XF8V8/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=cablecreation+usb+a+sound+adapter&qid=1613758675&sr=8-4

this is the thing i have

[stoic island]

@feral bobcat also, what's the context behind the 150$, is it going to be 150$ for complete setup, 150$ for now, more down the line, or 150$ just for headphones, and you have extra to spend on amp/dac?

[muted patio]

i can't see that being better than onboard. Is it?

[little osprey]

over 150 soundcards are ok

[muted patio]

Get a Zen Dac

you'll never get a sound card again XD

[stoic island]

@muted patio tbh I'd grab a Meizu dong instead of that

[feral bobcat]

hello

[muted patio]

It has an AMP also

DAC/Amp combo

[fossil halo]

its just louder

[stoic island]

Plz answer to this

[fossil halo]

so so loud

[muted patio]

ah

[little osprey]

but I need soundcard so 😂

[fossil halo]

like i have my stuff on 2 volume and it still blasts my ears out

[feral bobcat]

guys looks like fiio k5 pro is great

[fossil halo]

@feral bobcat lmfao mr1111 asked a question

hes tryna help you

[muted patio]

I think the Zen Dac is better, I gotta check peripherals. It was discussed in there

[stoic island]

Smth like a k371 is really good if you can get a good amp dac on top, but not as good if you can't

[fossil halo]

i use realtek 😎

[stoic island]

Once you go good dac you won't turn back

[muted patio]

My wife asked why I spent money on what I did

Then she listened from her computer to mine

[fossil halo]

my wife didnt ask me bc i dont have a wife

[muted patio]

and completely understood lol

[feral bobcat]

$130

[stoic island]

I have a passable dac and I love it

[muted patio]

Do you want a DAC or headphones or ?

[stoic island]

@feral bobcat okay, so do you have a 150$ budget for an amp/dac or do you have a 150$ budget for a pair of headphones or both or 150$ total?

[feral bobcat]

both

[muted patio]

Oh