building-and-recc-chat

[oak jay]

Vintage all fans are spinning what should I do in bios?

[muted patio]

Check to be sure the 3 pin headers are set to DC mode for control

[oak jay]

Ok

[sharp raft]

Right. None around. Still on the rosewill website though. Was just wondering if it was a shipping/production issue.

[gritty zenith]

yo wtf

[hexed prawn]

If we get a card like the gtx 1050 there, is that going to plug into an upgraded MOBO and keep up with a new CPU. We plan on swapping out those parts in the next month

[muted patio]

absolutely no idea sorry

[muted patio]

Well

[wanton cliff]

ow oof ooch gtx 1050

[muted patio]

That's all that's available on Amazon prime for the weekend

[hexed prawn]

ahh lol

[muted patio]

There's an RX570 but not available until next week

[sharp raft]

Wait time on rosewill customer service line is 127min. Lol

[hexed prawn]

she may just have to wait then

[muted patio]

I went to amazon, searched GPU and sorted by prime

[hexed prawn]

Maybe we could take this approach

[sharp raft]

Think Newegg owns rosewill though.

[oak jay]

Set them all to dc?

[muted patio]

Rosewill is Neweggs house brand

[muted patio]

no, just the 3 pin ones

[oak jay]

So the 2 no that’s are pen?

Pwm

[muted patio]

The 4 pin ones should be PWM yes

[hexed prawn]

If we were to plan the build a bit more, knowing we are replacing the CPU and MOBO, what should we get now, that will be compatible for those furture upgrades. Lets just assume that Prime for the weekend is off the table

[muted patio]

Still gonna be oof

GPU's are out of stock everywhere

[hexed prawn]

prolly eh

[neat reef]

for ryzen b550 or x570

[hexed prawn]

I was just looking at upgrading mine

[muted patio]

GOOD gpu's are out of stock everywhere

[hexed prawn]

I noticed

[muted patio]

SO yeah, choices extremely limited right now

[neat reef]

best way to get GPU is back ordering

[oak jay]

I paid 600 for a 3060 ti lmfao

[muted patio]

I glto lucky

got my 3070 for old MSRP

[oak jay]

Wow

[muted patio]

jan 5th

[austere herald]

any one around ?

[neat reef]

price didnt change in canada 🙂

i payed 1039 CAD for a 3080 TUF OC, when the site said 1079 lol

[wanton cliff]

I signed up for today's shuffle, still gotta wait about 2 hours for results

[muted patio]

good luck

[wanton cliff]

not horrible, but not a price I would impulse buy

[austere herald]

was woundering if any one could help me

[true lark]

Hey I'm interested in getting into the pc building world but know absolutely nothing other than like 29 hours on pc building sim. Any yt videos I can watch? I'm a pretty hands on learner so is there anyway to practice without risk of breaking anything?

[wanton cliff]

sure

[oak jay]

What fan control software besides dragon center works with msi motherboards

[muted patio]

Ask your question

[wanton cliff]

any fan control software

[oak jay]

Any?

[austere herald]

im not sure what mobo to go with for a new build

[oak jay]

Ok

[wanton cliff]

what CPU?

and budget?

[austere herald]

i just picked up the RYZEN 7 3700X

[wanton cliff]

do you plan on trying to overclock?

[muted patio]

TUF X570

EZPZ

[wanton cliff]

you know me too well

[austere herald]

i was looking at the tup x570 pro

[muted patio]

That'll work too

[wanton cliff]

its a good board

if you can afford it

[austere herald]

but i also was looking at the prime x570 pro

[wanton cliff]

no

TUF

good

Prime bad

[neat reef]

you can get a b550 board for a lil cheaper than x570

basically the same thing

[muted patio]

That depends on the board

[wanton cliff]

if you are willing to pay for a X570 board tho, then why not?

[austere herald]

but thats the thing is the b550 upgradable like the x570 ?

[neat reef]

b550 works with ryzen 9 if thats what you mean

[wanton cliff]

they both are from the same generation, one just has some slightly better features

[unreal ermine]

Im looking for ideas on how I can do this. Im planning to build a system, but I want to double boot (windows for playing, and linux for work). I could run virtual machine, but I dont want to deal with the overhead. What is the best way to go about this

[austere herald]

more salong the line of the zen 3 ryzens

[viral ore]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b550-aorus-master/p/N82E16813145217 weggbot posted this like an hour ago, 230 for this board is kinda hot

[wanton cliff]

get a large SSD

[muted patio]

2 separate drives, linux on one, SSD on the other

partitions can get messy

[wanton cliff]

B550 TUF for Bios flashback

[crimson flame]

The Hyper 212 RGB is 3.8mm taller than the maximum height for a Lian Li O11 Dynamic- does that matter/are there any shorter alternatives for around $50 for a Ryzen 3600X?

[wanton cliff]

or X570 if you already have the 3700x

[neat reef]

b550 works out of the box with 3rd gen

[muted patio]

No it doesn't

[neat reef]

mine does

[muted patio]

Needs a BIOS update

Microcenter?

[wanton cliff]

why does everyone want a O11 but gets a crappy air cooler?

[neat reef]

memory express

[muted patio]

they preflashed it then

[austere herald]

i do i got it last week . along with the Trident Z Neo

[neat reef]

i did the bios update, but it still worked before it, i didnt have to use the flash bios button

[crimson flame]

heard it's good for a 3600x, been what i've been recommended for a while, working less currently on upgrading specs and upgrading aesthetics

[gritty zenith]

easytune not working with my 5600x smh

[muted patio]

they flashed it then, boards aren't shipping yet with the good BIOS that we've seen

[austere herald]

dont get me wrong the LL 011 is nice but just not for me

[muted patio]

Easytune Garbo

Use the BIOS instead

[oak jay]

I downloaded afterburner

[wanton cliff]

well that particular cooler is bad for a 3600x, ive tested it myself

Gammax 400

much better

[gritty zenith]

easytune never worked anyway lol

[muted patio]

It's garbage lol

SHould never be installed TBH

[unreal ermine]

any other suggestion on other hardware to make less of a mess to setup. Like gpu

[oak jay]

I mean do I need fan control software

[austere herald]

ok so go with the TUF x570 pro?

[oak jay]

Fans are running fine

Not at full speed

[muted patio]

Afterburner is for GPU

[oak jay]

Oh

Lmao

[muted patio]

Dragon center will work for fans if you have MSI

[wanton cliff]

sure, if you already have a Zen2 CPU

[oak jay]

Oh the. It works

Then*

Thanks lol

[austere herald]

ya couldnt fine the zen 3 sold out every were

[oak jay]

I think all fans are blowing out lmao

Lemme check

[wanton cliff]

well then yeah, TUF X570 good

[neat reef]

yeh if it doesnt have flash bios button you need zen 2

[muted patio]

The part where you can see the fan blades is Intake

[austere herald]

and with the x570 i shouldnt have any issue latter up gradding the cpu

[muted patio]

The part with the X is the exhaust

[muted patio]

Nope

[austere herald]

gradding*

omg i cant type

[oak jay]

Wait no nvm front is in back is out

[neat reef]

there should be an arrow on the side of the frame too

[austere herald]

one last question. all in one lq cooler 240 rad

should be more then enough ya ?

[muted patio]

Ek 240mm or Arcitc Freezer yes

[austere herald]

tuf has a 240 rad for a fair price was thinking of going with that

[plush mist]

@eager flower can u see when was my first message, cuz I’m on mobile

My first message was “wtf” Ik that

[austere herald]

i have a 120 corsair atm

[plush mist]

Hahaha

[eager flower]

wrong channel lmao

[austere herald]

the h80i

[plush mist]

Wait what

Wait wdym wrong channel

[eager flower]

this is build chat, koopa

[plush mist]

I’m scared

OH

[muted patio]

That'll work

[plush mist]

I-

[austere herald]

SWEET thanks guys !!!

[wanton cliff]

np

[neat reef]

is stopping a fan with a toothpick to figure out if thats where the noise is coming from a really bad thing?

lol

[muted patio]

use your finger on the center

don't stop it suddenly

[neat reef]

kk

[muted patio]

It will stop though once you do that

[neat reef]

yeh it stops then goes back on after a few seconds

[muted patio]

will need to give it a few seconds before it spins again or give it a push

[random rapids]

How do I chance this if I search for fans I can’t really disable the fan speed or I am at the wrong place

[muted patio]

Your problem is that your CPU fan isn't plugged into the right spot on the motherboard

Are you running an AIO?

[random rapids]

yea

[muted patio]

or a fan CPU cooler?

AIO

K

[random rapids]

aio

[muted patio]

Do you have AIO pump headers?

[random rapids]

yea I put it in there

[muted patio]

good

Press F1

gets you into the BIOS

[random rapids]

I did

[muted patio]

then Disable the CPU FAN montiroing

Monitoring

[random rapids]

where do

[muted patio]

SHould be on the main screen of most BIOS in the fan area

if not tell me motherboard and I'll grab a manual

[random rapids]

it’s Asus ROG STRIX B460-F GAMING

[muted patio]

Oh that manual is gross

Useless lol

[neat reef]

my msi mobo manual is like a real book lol

[random rapids]

true

[lucid epoch]

im new to building pcs n all that and i spent like 7 hours putting this together, and after a buncha help it still wont turn on. i dont know whats wrong :"0

[muted patio]

Uh

Pretty sure you have CPU power plugged into the GPU

and GPU power plugged into the motherboard

[wanton cliff]

yeah....

[muted patio]

Swap those power cables

[lucid epoch]

i dont know which cables those are

[muted patio]

The one going to the graphics card

unplug that

and plug it into the motherboard Top Left power

take the one from the Top Left

and plug it into the GPU

The 4 pin + 4 pin is for CPU not graphics card

[neat reef]

how can you tell they are swapped? lol

[muted patio]

4+4 vs 6+2

[neat reef]

oh

[muted patio]

BIOS Advanced Mode, Q fan Control

disable CPU fan monitoring there

[lucid epoch]

ig the tutorial i followed along w the manuals was wack huh

[muted patio]

It happens

Looks like your PGU is a 4 pin connector though?

Might need an adapter cable for that from the GPU box

[snow escarp]

So I have a 3070 coming in Friday and was wondering if I could use one dual 8 pin cord or if I should plug in another one as well

[muted patio]

Need 2

the GPU draws more than 200W that one cable is designed to provide

[snow escarp]

2 cords despite the one being a dual 8 pin

[muted patio]

Each cable can only supply X power

[snow escarp]

Got ya

[muted patio]

no matter how many connectors are on it

Sweet!

[snow escarp]

Thanks lad

[muted patio]

YW

[snow escarp]

Time to take the entire thing apart again 😅

[muted patio]

OOF LOL

[snow escarp]

Well Friday but you know how it goes

[muted patio]

I mean, it might work but you might have issues too like crashing under load

[random rapids]

There is 2 should I disable both?

[muted patio]

Not that one

CPU FAN

[muted patio]

OH LOL

I see it

CPU FAN control disabled yes

[muted patio]

Nice!!

leave the other ones on, the Chassis fans

[snow escarp]

I’ll likely just go with two cords to be safe then

[muted patio]

Yes, best idea

[snow escarp]

I think I want to turn my aio around as well so the cord doesn’t go over the gpu

Just to get it out of the way there

[muted patio]

I agree with that

Although, if it leaks it will drip off the lowest point of the hose no matter what

[snow escarp]

Well I would move it so it doesn’t sit on the gpu

[muted patio]

Yeah

Agreed

[snow escarp]

I just think it would look nicer as the case it quite massive and there is a lot of open space on the right side there

[muted patio]

Yeah, I agree too

[snow escarp]

That might show it, maybe

Video is trying to send 😂

[muted patio]

Mine are a little funky

[random rapids]

Do you have a 3070?

[muted patio]

yes

[snow escarp]

Mine is only a 240 but same concept, yea

[muted patio]

Yep!

[random rapids]

And it still saying that do

I got the same 1

[snow escarp]

I have a 3070 ftw 3 coming in Friday 😅

[muted patio]

You disabled the CPU fan head monitoring?

[muted patio]

NIIIICEEEEE

[snow escarp]

@muted patio your build is stealthy

[muted patio]

Try this from ASUS website You can set Monitor->CPU FAN Speed to [Ignore] if you don't want to open the computer case.

[muted patio]

Thanks. All black, nice and clean

[random rapids]

I only disabled the CPU Q-Fan control

[muted patio]

Ahhh

Apparently there's a MOnitor section in there also

That you need to disable

[lucid epoch]

the cables dont fit in each others places are yall sure theyre swapped ??

[muted patio]

let me guess

Graphics needs 4 pin

but you have a 6 pin connector?

or a 6+2 pin?

[lucid epoch]

needs 6

and the 6+2 doesnt fit into the 8 where the 4+4 was at

[muted patio]

Take a pic of the cable you had plugged in there originally?

Might have been wrong but I swear that looked like a 4+4 pin

This looks a LOT like a 4+4 pin in this picture

[muted patio]

HOly big picture

OK we were wrong, why did it look so big?

That def goes to graphics card, sorry for that

[lucid epoch]

no idea i guess my phones just wonky

dw about it !!

[muted patio]

I'd repost the photo but it's 24 MB LOL

HUUUUUUGEEEEE PIC

NOt gonna lie

I like that pic

It's so big I can download it, zoom in and read the writing on your motherboard

EPIC

I'll have another look

[neat reef]

2020 phone? lol

or DSLR? 😛

[muted patio]

IDK

Ram might need to be in A2 slot instead of B2 but check the manual. Might not matter

Also, you really should get two sticks. 20-30%+ performance right there

[lucid epoch]

i just have an iphone 7 lol

[neat reef]

i get 30-40fps with every graphics setting on max, cp2077, 8gb 2400mhz RAM

4K

[muted patio]

What board is it?

[snow escarp]

I’d put ram in b1 I think, no?

[muted patio]

Need to check the manual to be sure

[neat reef]

i hope i get 50-60 fps with better RAM

[snow escarp]

@neat reef it’s that with xmp on?

2400 MHz that is

[neat reef]

im nto sure

[muted patio]

If that's with an AMD, you need 3200-3600 mhz ram lol

[snow escarp]

Yea

He might have 3200 ram if he doesn’t have xmp on

[muted patio]

Might yeah

[lucid epoch]

asrock b450m pro4

[snow escarp]

@neat reef you can check in your bios and see if you have xmp on, if not I recommend turning it on

[lucid epoch]

forgot i cant send links as a new member ahehrhffh

[neat reef]

its 100% 2400mhz

[snow escarp]

Oh

[neat reef]

ill check the xmp

[muted patio]

Ok, single stick needs to go in A2

[lucid epoch]

aighty

[little osprey]

i need yall to recommend me a 1tb ssd n a 200gb m.2

[neat reef]

WD Black

[little osprey]

planning on using 2 ssds

[neat reef]

wd black are gaming SSD's

playing that video froze my discord....

if thats a malicious video hope hes banned

[little osprey]

which video n where?

[neat reef]

someone posted a phineas and ferb video

[little osprey]

oh lmao i know it

[neat reef]

a character says "problem with ur pc" then discord freezes

[little osprey]

is it good?

[neat reef]

idk if it was just for me tho

yeh if its the WD Black

cant go wrong

[muted patio]

Sabrent Rocket 1 TB is cheaper

[desert gulch]

yeah

[muted patio]

by about $10 and just as fast

[desert gulch]

mp34 good too right?

idk what price is on it rn tho

[muted patio]

Yes

that good too

usually cheaper, $115 I think

[little osprey]

so is it the best option for me?

[hollow grail]

not for that price

if spending that much get p31 gold

[little osprey]

gonna get 2x1TB ssds so i wanna get a good price

[hollow grail]

p31 gold is the best pcie 3 ssd

[neat reef]

sometimes i just go with whatever is on sale and make sure its at least decent

thats what i'd do if going for 2

unless you arent on a budget

[crimson flame]

i don't have any RGB headers on my motherboard, what fan header would I get to work with six CoolerMasterMF 120 ARGB fans. Is that possible? What should I do?

[wanton cliff]

those types of things usually come with their own daisy chain type thing, right?

[desert gulch]

dont daisy chain more than 2-3 per header tho

[crimson flame]

I only have 1 fan header, no rgb/argb headers, and plan to use six of them. Is there anything I can do besides a new motherboard?

[wanton cliff]

fan hub perhaps?

[crimson flame]

i've looked at the coolermaster masterfan but that doesn't work with no argb header
suggestion?

[little osprey]

which one?

[muted patio]

$129.97

Best value IMO

[desert gulch]

the Q variant is pretty crappy right?

[little osprey]

is it worth saving the 10$?

[muted patio]

Up to you

$10 is $10 lol

[little osprey]

bruh

which is better

[muted patio]

Honestly, same same. Both great

[robust vigil]

Corsair commander pro, can I connect rgb Corsair fans and non rgb Corsair fans on it together and still have rgb for the Corsair fans?

[muted patio]

I don't think so, I think it uses proprietary connectors for LED's

[little osprey]

then the cheaper option it is

[robust vigil]

Ok

[muted patio]

Yeah, they use a proprietary LED connector

[little osprey]

any cases with good airflow yall recommend?

preferably white

[muted patio]

P500A white

[little osprey]

looks good

[desert gulch]

td500 mesh

[little osprey]

damn both look good

[hasty wind]

Anyone got the pure base 500dx?

[hollow lily]

I wouldnt get an sn750 i would go for a crucial p5 is has better speeds and has better value for the money

[autumn aurora]

I have 4 male drgb connectors and 4 female drgb connectors , HELP WTF DO I DO how do I daisy chain them

3 pairs of connectors are from my msi AIO (2 fans and the dragon logo light ) and I have one male DRGB for other case fans and a female DRGB for the front io , HELP (5 volt 3 pin)

[hollow grail]

p5 gets dunked on by p31 gold

[lusty gazelle]

So, this just recently happened. But my Cpu and Gpu have been spiking.
For my Gpu the clock speeds keep spiking for some reason
For my Cpu the clock speeds sometimes spikes and the temperature have been recently spiking a lot too. i don't know why
Can anyone help?

The cpu load is at 4% rn and the temps are high

[little osprey]

Gibby in here YOOO

[autumn aurora]

Software, airflow and bad thermal paste could be it I guess

[little osprey]

whats the difference between Fans n Radiators?

[neat reef]

radiators dissipate heat and fans blow heat

lol

they blow cold air onto the heat

radiators gather the heat in the metal and gradually lose the heat

and send cold water through pipes in it

[viral ore]

fans move gases, radiators increase surface area

[lusty gazelle]

well it could be but it is also my recently new pc, i built it like 3 weeks ago
airflow im not sure about cuz my gpu stays pretty cool when im playing games
and idk about software

[little osprey]

what AIO n additional fans(white both) do y'all recommend for it?

[uneven mist]

i like ek aios

i have a black p500a with an ek aio

[muted patio]

Ay, P500 club!

[uneven mist]

except i do t think they have them in white so maybe like a corsair capellix has a white version i think

and yeah nice vintageracer

[muted patio]

They have P500 in white

[uneven mist]

yea

[little osprey]

finna join soon 🤞

[hollow lily]

but the p5 is cheaper by like alot

when it was last on sale

[cerulean trellis]

@muted patio ok so my speaker is coming today where should I plug it into?

[muted patio]

Front panel connector

Labeled SPKR

or speaker

[hollow grail]

you also need to factor in heatsink cost

because p5 warm

[cerulean trellis]

ok

[neat reef]

or the green one on the mobo usually

[mild vector]

Ok I got a thermaltake GT10 case full size and just recently decided to add more drives to it but found out that the ribbon strip wiring is not there to connect to the motherboard can someone help me find that wiring ?

[wanton cliff]

cries in P400

[neat reef]

why cry?

i have a p400a

it was on sale on black friday and i didnt even know there was a p500 lol

[little osprey]

guys i only need help/advice with the only 2-3 remaining things for my build-AIO, additional fans n the PSU

1 sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Lkdz7

[visual dawn]

Is this is correct chat for asking for help with builds? I just wanted to know if I put two 8GB graphics cards in https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157981?Item=N82E16813157981 if they would work together? I'd like to use one monitor and simply play a few games.

[muted patio]

Most video cards have multiple out puts

No need for multiple cards

[little osprey]

anything i should replace?

[visual dawn]

@ vintageracer79 I am looking for power. I really wanted more than 8GB just in case I get too much lag in the game. I'm currently using a potato and have 7 fps in the game. I don't want this happening anymore.

[muted patio]

That board only supports 2 m.2 drives. You have 3 in your list

[little osprey]

fixed that

[muted patio]

K

[muted patio]

Gaming resolution?

SLI really isn't a thing anymore

If 1080p or even 1440p, 8 GB is fine

4K not so much

[visual dawn]

My gaming resolution is bare minimum. It's so low I'm often dying from standing in stuff I can't see.

[little osprey]

anything else?

[muted patio]

Need a power supply lol

Phanteks AMP 750

Seasonic Focus Gold

[little osprey]

.

[muted patio]

corsair RM 750

RMx 750

[visual dawn]

Ah, so I can sneak by on 8 GB? Is there anything I should look for to make the most of the 8GB?

eh, Fusion did you see the three warning down below your list?

[muted patio]

You're talking 8GB VRAM right?

Not system ram?

[visual dawn]

8GB Graphics card, yes?

to vintage

[muted patio]

Just checking. Nothing to sweat about

8 GB is fine

I run dual screens and game with a single card. It's honestly fine

[muted patio]

For an AIO arctic Freezer or EK

[visual dawn]

ooh ok!

[muted patio]

As far as fans go, if you want RGB I really don't know because I don't do RGb lol

[visual dawn]

What kind of fans do you use?

[small osprey]

arctic fans are good, as well as noctua and id cooling

[muted patio]

Corsair ML. People don't like them because expensive

[small osprey]

if u want rgb, the best would be corsair ll or lian li uni fans i think

[visual dawn]

oh I forgot for the motherboard, https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157981?Item=N82E16813157981 will a Barracuda 120 SSD count as the main hard drive or did I get the wrong Hard drive?

[muted patio]

Whichever drive you install the OS on becomes the main drive

[small osprey]

^

recommended to install os on an ssd

[visual dawn]

Yes, I've had some experiences with HD so everything is SSD now.

but I was double guessing myself

[desert gulch]

HDD is still way cheaper for mass storage tho

For games and files

[small osprey]

oh also use a nvme ssd if possible

[desert gulch]

Like 55 bucks for 2 terabytes

[visual dawn]

What is the difference between NVME and others?

[desert gulch]

Nvme faster

[cerulean trellis]

@muted patio Ok so it says Your item has been delivered to an agent for final delivery smh

[visual dawn]

Will sata suffice?

[muted patio]

poo

[cerulean trellis]

pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[desert gulch]

NVMe (nonvolatile memory express) is a new storage access and transport protocol for flash and next-generation solid-state drives (SSDs) that delivers the highest throughput and fastest response times yet for all types of enterprise workloads.

[muted patio]

Sata is slower than M.2 NVME

[desert gulch]

That's what google says

[small osprey]

this

[visual dawn]

ooh

[desert gulch]

Yeah

[rich helm]

If you need mass storage for games or video file but want it to be faster than a hard drive sata ssds are good if you want to save a buck

[desert gulch]

HDD is what I use for games

2tb barracuda

Works fine for games

Wouldn't want to boot off it tho

[rich helm]

Well his budget is very high but yeah both would be fine

[desert gulch]

Yeah

If budget allows could just go all m.2 nvme

[rich helm]

Also true

[desert gulch]

Get a boot and then a 1 or 2tb

Or just a 1tb

[rich helm]

In his list right now he has 2 1tb rocket nvmes and a 250gb 980 pro

Honestly I think you should go for something cheaper than a 980pro and then just get 500gb instead

[visual dawn]

is fusion here? that was his list

[rich helm]

Critical applications that you use a lot might take more than 250gb

[little osprey]

oh didnt even realize yall were talking bout my list

[visual dawn]

hahaha i was talking about my own SSD.

[rich helm]

Oh wait I didn’t look at the name and I thought you were the same person lol

Uhh oops

[little osprey]

lmfao

[visual dawn]

I can't make a list, my motherboard isn't in pcpartpicker yet

I see why I picked up a SATA SSD is because my motherboard I think has 6 SATA ports? https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157981?Item=N82E16813157981 I am a newb and this is my first build.

I didn't know that newegg had a discord

[muted patio]

It also has 2 M.2 ports

[visual dawn]

yup, lots of room to expand. 🙂

oooh I get it

so a M.2 2280 would work?

[muted patio]

Yes

[visual dawn]

Thank you!

[muted patio]

YW

[rich helm]

I did not know they were already releasing Z590 boards

Look expensive lol

[muted patio]

I didn't think they were either

Thought they were a ways out yet

[rich helm]

Isn’t the steel legend z490 only like 150 or something

[visual dawn]

$211 is what I paid to be added to the waitlist. I really wanted something I can expand on and keep for many years of enjoyment.

[rich helm]

Btw @visual dawn most atx boards now a days have 6 sata ports its not a special feature

For the most part people don’t use more than one or two unless they need like tons of hard drives

[visual dawn]

I'm very much newb.

[rich helm]

Also having an m.2 disables 2 ports

What processor do you plan to get or have gotten

Btw

[visual dawn]

oh so that M.2 and this current SSD should be able to fit right?

[muted patio]

Yes

[rich helm]

Yeah

Still have 4 ports

[visual dawn]

I have a i9 intel. I was planning on more video work.

[rich helm]

Oh cool

[muted patio]

Does it really on Z590?

[rich helm]

Idk it did on z490 o thought it just worked that way

Or other boards

[muted patio]

Ok, it does on this one too. i checked the manual

[rich helm]

Actually on z490 at least the steel legend it only disables 1 port

That’s what pcpartpicker says

So the z490 does have more lanes I guess

[full atlas]

So the 30$ Corsair air 240 I found comes with 2 fans, but idk what fans . Is it worth it?

[stoic island]

you could try it

[rich helm]

Is that mini itx

[full atlas]

Matx

[rich helm]

Oh ok

[full atlas]

It’s short, but wide

[rich helm]

Well most cases you won’t find for 30 bucks so if you like it and (I can’t tell from the photo) it has the airflow you need it sounds like a pretty good deal

[full atlas]

It’s airflow seems pretty decent

[rich helm]

Looks like ok airflow

Yeah

[full atlas]

In between the white things is mesh

So ye the white things block some, but definitely not bad

[visual dawn]

Looking at the graphics cards that are available, what should i look at aside from PCI 4.0x16 and 8GB?

[muted patio]

Gaming resolution

and feature set

[stoic island]

@visual dawn well, that's not exactly how you look at performance

[visual dawn]

oh?

[stoic island]

For example, a RTX 3060 will have "12GB", but perform much worse than a RTX 3080 with just "10GB"

[visual dawn]

Very nice and clean looking.

[visual dawn]

I didn't know that, I thought GB = Faster?

[stoic island]

Nope

[hoary warren]

thank you waiting for a damn 3000 seires card to come in stock

[stoic island]

just means vram

A half a decade old RX 580 has "8GB"

but will get absolutely slapped by a RTX 2060 with just "6GB"

@visual dawn Easiest way to compare cards:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/singleCompare.php

[visual dawn]

Thank you!

I'm still learning what is better to look for. I just know to look for pci 4x16 and that only one card is all i need. @muted patio was teaching me that above.

[stoic island]

Look at a shot of a GPU PCB for example, the actual GPU itself is what you want to look at for performance, the "10GB" is just the vram, basically quick access storage for the GPU next to it.

[visual dawn]

so more vram doesn't equal faster? just more memory for the gpu?

[muted patio]

it only means faster if you run out of it

IE, 4k resolution or rendering

[stoic island]

@visual dawn Yes, it helps in higher resolution because more textures to store into the vram and such, but it's definitely not the main thing that determines performance

[neat reef]

a lot of people dont like how the 3080 has 10gb

they think it needs more

[stoic island]

there's a lot of "MY NUMBER IS BIGGER THAN YOURS" thing

[muted patio]

And they're kinda silly for it

[neat reef]

yeh

[muted patio]

it's not just amount, it's also bandwidth

[visual dawn]

so geforce 3070 would suffice?

[muted patio]

Things go in and out quickly, it's not just how much you have

[stoic island]

what, FS2020 max settings 4k only does like 8gb comitted or whatever

Yea

@visual dawn Let's look at it less broadly and more what YOU need, what do you want it to do, and what is your budget?

[iron brook]

Do you guys know any good 2tb ssds that aren't extremely pricey?

[muted patio]

2 TB NVME M.2?

[stoic island]

What do you consider "pricey"?

[muted patio]

They all pricey right now

[visual dawn]

a few games I'd like to play, Warcraft, Crysis, Halo possibly.

[stoic island]

What resolution?

[iron brook]

Well mainly something around $200

[stoic island]

NVMe or just SATA?

[iron brook]

Any will do fine, but if I could NVMe

[stoic island]

Cheapest actually good 2tb NVMe drive:
https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-pilot-e-2tb/p/N82E16820226902

Decent decent 2tb SATA drive:
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-2tb/p/N82E16820250089

[ripe wedge]

oh its back on sale

[visual dawn]

According to what I think it says is 2812x1584

[stoic island]

uhhh

what are you playing on?

[iron brook]

Alright thanks!

[stoic island]

that's an extremely weird resolution

You're welcome

[muted patio]

Stretched 4K for fortnite or something?

[stoic island]

I doubt it

[neat reef]

2560 x 1440?

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LkbXW3
this might be the final "product". Thoughts?

[visual dawn]

It's a macbook pro, 6 years old. sorry

[muted patio]

Ah

[stoic island]

I assume you're planning on a new monitor with the new PC?

[ripe wedge]

apple smh weird engineers

[stoic island]

@little osprey uh that 250gb 980pro..?

what are you trying to use it for?

[little osprey]

so windows would boot up faster

[stoic island]

...

[little osprey]

n maybe 1 or 2 games on it

[visual dawn]

I'm gonna use the old imac for a monitor. I was reading how to do it. If not a new monitor would be okay with me

[ripe wedge]

it would be better to get an sn750 or a 970 evo

[neat reef]

go 27" and never go back

[stoic island]

Just so you know, the difference between SATA and NVMe is already very little on windows boot, from PCIe 3.0 to PCIe 4.0 is basically impossible to notice

I'd just grab a 500gb Helix-L or MP34 or SN750 or 970evo

[muted patio]

I only see PCI-E 4.0 as a money grab right now

[stoic island]

It's gonna let you slap more games on, same speed

I see PCIe 4.0 as a maybe if they need stuff to transfer quickly, or future proofing

[visual dawn]

I think my imac was either 27" or 32" it's huge even for its era.

[ripe wedge]

"future proofing"

[stoic island]

Go 1440p and never go back >:D

[neat reef]

idk why 27" isnt the standard for computer monitors

[ripe wedge]

1440p 144/165hz

[stoic island]

@ripe wedge for when they have 5000$ and for directio whenever games start implementing it for pc

Yea, I'd say go 1440p, don't want to go for a downgrade to 1080p xD

[ripe wedge]

yeah direct access

[visual dawn]

I'm taking that future proofing and running with it. That's the whole point of this computer build.

[stoic island]

The "PCIe 4.0 for future proofing" is imo the slightly silly type of future proofing

[ripe wedge]

oops I meant direct storage

[stoic island]

@visual dawn Reason being, we don't even know if we'll ever have an use for it

maybe we figure out how to do direct storage more efficiently with more efficient CPU compression, and then fast drives become irrelavent

or something like that

It's just when people have money to splash

and go "MY NUMBER IS BIGGER THAN YOURS"

[visual dawn]

oh i hear ya, I have some weird storage device that looks like an oversized floppy disk and it became irrelevant in less than a year due to thumbdrives.

[stoic island]

Anyways, are you planning on any other games? All of those except for maybe the more recent Crysis is pretty light on the system

I believe that's how SAS drives went, supposed to be faster than SATA and all, but just not around in the consumer market now

[visual dawn]

I was considering Elder Scrolls as well

[stoic island]

Skyrim is pretty light too

[visual dawn]

then crysis would be my biggest concern then

[stoic island]

although we have no "weaker/cheaper" end lineup from Nvidia or AMD for the current generation yet

Anyways, how much are you looking to spend total?

I can go make a list to throw some suggestions around

[visual dawn]

$1000 roughly. I like middle of the road. but I can't be picky since my laptop is having power problems

[stoic island]

Hm, that'll be a bit rough

[visual dawn]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157981?Item=N82E16813157981 this is my motherboard if it would help you.

[stoic island]

Hm, do you already own it?

[visual dawn]

I'm on the waitlist for Friday

I already paid for it

[stoic island]

Because if your budget is just 1000$ total, I'm not sure that'll be a good idea for the budget

unless you mean 1000s like 1500$ or something

[visual dawn]

I already bought everything else. jsut the gpu is left.

[stoic island]

Oh, 1000$ for the GPU, alright

[visual dawn]

I thought that what you were asking was for the gpu. my mistake 🙂

[stoic island]

Fair enough, this will be quite overkill for some older titles lel

[visual dawn]

more for extra fans if i need them

[stoic island]

Oh and also, do you have a separate budget for a new monitor? If not, I would probably suggest a Gigabyte M27q+RTX 3070 for the 1000$ GPU budget

[visual dawn]

I was planning on getting a cord to hook the old 2009 imac into the new tower and use it for a monitor. See if that works. it's a huge monitor. would be sad to just get rid of it

[quasi snow]

you coulduse both but a 60 hz old imac isn't really gonna do that gpu justice

[stoic island]

Fair, but I'll keep the Gigabyte M27q suggestion around because it'll likely be a pretty damn big upgrade for gaming

[muted patio]

Once you go 144hz you never go back

[visual dawn]

anything is an upgrade compared to my macbook pro of 6 years

[stoic island]

I went to 1080p144hz and now 60hz looks like crap to me

[muted patio]

so smooth like butter

[stoic island]

Even on desktop I can feel the difference xD

[muted patio]

YES

Sounds weird but it's true

[stoic island]

like the cursor looks like it "skips" more

[muted patio]

going from my 60hz to 144hz side by side is weird

It does skip

it jumps

[stoic island]

I noticed a difference while on siege between 120hz and 144hz once xD

it was just slightly less smooth

[visual dawn]

how do you tell the hz? i found boost clock. (of course they all sold out now, lol)

[stoic island]

Well, the "hz" in this instance is about the monitor, refresh rate to be exact, not the GPU

[visual dawn]

ah ok

[stoic island]

For windows, it's just right here

[visual dawn]

I'll have to come back once I get the computer set up and running. I've not used a Windows since Windows XP first edition.

before the 2000 patch

[stoic island]

Well, for the new PC, I would suggest you use windows

[visual dawn]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-5700-xt-gv-r57xtaorus-8gd/p/N82E16814932235?Item=9SIAGBAC039300 will this suffice for a gpu for games like crysis?

[stoic island]

It's last generation, the price is HORRIBLE, so I would heavily suggest against buying that

[visual dawn]

I have no choice... can't buy mac os for it. plus razer doesn't support mac. I really need my mouse for warcraft.

[stoic island]

but in general, it's fine

[visual dawn]

so look for "GeForce RTX 3070"

[stoic island]

@visual dawn also, if you're interesting in any peripheral upgrades at all, we have some knowledgeable people in #peripherals-and-displays that can get you goodies (although headphones are quite debated)

Yea, RTX 3070 will do just fine for you

@visual dawn The 'correct' price for a 3070 is around 600$, maybe 700$ for a higher end model, so don't overpay for one :)

[visual dawn]

ooh! that is much better than I've been looking at

[stoic island]

And again, I strongly suggest you buy a good monitor either now or later on, a Gigabyte M27q is a great 1440p 170hz panel for ~330$

[visual dawn]

so what is the difference between 3050, 3070 and 3080/3090? I get that last one mixed up since i see people asking about it

[stoic island]

Quickest comparison:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/GeForce-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-GeForce-RTX-3070-vs-GeForce-RTX-3080-vs-GeForce-RTX-3090/4318vs4283vs4282vs4284

Bigger number = better

[small osprey]

speaking of the m27q, there have been a lot of bad reviews about the build quality

[stoic island]

Really? I've actually been seeing a lot of good reviews on it

RTings made one recently, haven't watched it, but it looked good

[hollow lily]

leak ur windows key 😄

[small osprey]

idk, on amazon, there have been a lot of hate reviews directed at gigabyte and their bad quality

[stoic island]

what

[small osprey]

[stoic island]

@hollow lily ha you want a Windows 10 enterprise key? you can have it

[hollow lily]

yes

XD

no

i want windows xp

[small osprey]

does that mean difference between 3060ti and 3070 is bigger than 3070 and 3080?

[hollow lily]

nop

[stoic island]

(BTW this key is just the standard "placeholder" key it shows, it's not an actual key)

[hollow lily]

.

[small osprey]

the number difference is bigger lol

[visual dawn]

wow 3070 is really good

[stoic island]

what

[hollow lily]

na

[stoic island]

it's like 2200 points between 3060ti and 3070, 2400 between 3070 and 3080

[hollow lily]

1650super better imo

[stoic island]

lmao

[hollow lily]

XD

[stoic island]

3070 is extremely good compared to anything that's not from the current generation

it's still quite good compared to others from the current generation

[visual dawn]

that robeytech gives out 3080s?

[hollow lily]

technically not

[stoic island]

Hm?

What's gonna beat it

[hollow lily]

bcuz a titan rtx is very much better than a 3070 😄

XD

[stoic island]

it can slap a titan rtx actually

[hollow lily]

a 3090 can easily

but idk about a 3070

[stoic island]

In gaming

[hollow lily]

[stoic island]

Titan rtx just has the workstation drivers

so Titan rtx can slap 3090 in some workstation tasks

[hollow lily]

o

[stoic island]

some

[small osprey]

wait im dumb lmao nvm

3060ti still better value

[hollow lily]

lmao quadro 8000 better than 3070 in editing movies 😄

[hollow lily]

yep

[stoic island]

@small osprey I like RTings review, they're pretty good, and they say M27q build quality pretty good

[hollow lily]

oh

im getting that monitor for my build

i feel like the monitor is popular

that monitor is an pc-011 dynamic of monitors

XD

not overhyped but

popular

[stoic island]

I mean

it's popular in this discord because I love recommending it

[hollow lily]

ik alot of ppl

that use it

[hollow lily]

oh

[stoic island]

and recently a lot of different reviewers are going at it

[hollow lily]

oh

i mean yeah

[stoic island]

this is all a month or two ago

[hollow lily]

ive seen sum reviewa

on it

i watched the hardware unboxed 1

like 2 days ago

[neat reef]

would having the glass panel on the case result in better cooling since the fans are cycling air from a small amount of space inside the case instead of pulling air from the entire room? or am i overthinking

[hollow lily]

[stoic island]

You're underthinking >:D

[hoary warren]

bro this build

someone else made this pc its not mine but sheesh

[stoic island]

Being on a open-air bench allows it access to all the air around it for cooling

@hoary warren smh they should've went for top mount for the aio

and crappi ram imo

Too much Corsair

[neat reef]

ah ok ill keep the glass off then

[hoary warren]

hahaha corsair fanboy

[stoic island]

@neat reef cases are usually closed for a reason, it's for dust, open air benches are just for OCing and testing and not daily operation lol

[hoary warren]

dude those lian li fans are like $80 each

[stoic island]

unifans?

it's supposed to be like 20$ per

[hollow lily]

the average build

pc o11 dynamic with uni fans

lol

[stoic island]

o11 stuffed with leds is pretty common imo

[hollow lily]

yup

[stoic island]

doesn't theo have all ll120s

[hoary warren]

no i mean those fans he got are $80 each cause they connect together

[hollow lily]

the pc011 dynamics always got ll120's or unifans

tbh

[stoic island]

nah, like asiahorse and id-cooling fans too

@hoary warren Yes, Lian Li Unifans, they're supposed to be sold for much less than like 80$ per, it's more like 30$ or something MSRP, just overpriced because for some reason everyone wants one

[hollow lily]

i used to like the 011 case but now im hating on it

cuz everyone uses it

and even robeytech said ll120's are better than uni fans

if u know who robeytech is the pc builder/tech ytber

[visual dawn]

I'm watching robeytech right now

[hollow lily]

he's live??

O

bet

i didnt get the notifcation lol

[stoic island]

Robeytech is the guy that's sponsored by wegg

[visual dawn]

wegg?

[hollow lily]

yeah

neegg

[stoic island]

[hollow lily]

XD

[visual dawn]

ah

So why can't we say full name?

[stoic island]

you can

[visual dawn]

or just for funsies?

[stoic island]

wegg is just fun to say

say it with me

WEGG

[visual dawn]

WEGGGGIIEESSS

[jagged ember]

[muted patio]

[jagged ember]

Rip

[muted patio]

[jagged ember]

How to get rid of space

[visual dawn]

delete things

[muted patio]

[stoic island]

:D

[jagged ember]

Weggg

[stoic island]

[jagged ember]

How

[hollow lily]

throw pc out window

[stoic island]

I'm just good

[hollow lily]

throw out window

[stoic island]

:newegg1::newegg2:

[jagged ember]

I see

Keep your secrets

[hollow lily]

yup

[stoic island]

[jagged ember]

:newegg1::newegg2:

[muted patio]

[jagged ember]

Your secrets are kept

God damnit

[stoic island]

you just wait for it to give you the preview

and go delete the space

[muted patio]

Yeah lol

Literally just delete the space between them

[stoic island]

it's like this, and then you delete the space

[jagged ember]

YEs

It's gotta turn blue

[stoic island]

blue?

[hollow lily]

wegg

[jagged ember]

Blue

[little osprey]

why is this guy talking about hating the o11

[visual dawn]

oh my! my kitten opened programs i didn't know i had.

[little osprey]

[sullen spoke]

[jagged ember]

o11 sux cause it's popular ig

[little osprey]

mr "i want to buy the evolv x"

[little osprey]

great case if you custom loop it

but i am going to cuss out the next person to put a 360mm aio in it

[stoic island]

evolve x seems fun

[hollow lily]

[stoic island]

@little osprey what if, I put 3x360mm rads

[hollow lily]

ik

[stoic island]

just to cool the cpu

[little osprey]

definition of overpriced

[visual dawn]

oh... do i need to buy case fans on top of my other fans? (cpu, psu, gpu)

[little osprey]

uhhhhhhhhh

r u implying custom loop or a janky aio

setup

[hollow lily]

i have the evolv x

[little osprey]

What case

Oh jesus christ

he bought the case

Don't tell me you bought the aresgame pipebomb psu too

[stoic island]

I was implying custom loop

what case?

[visual dawn]

https://www.newegg.com/black-grey-asus-tuf-gaming-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811173034?Item=N82E16811173034

[hollow lily]

no

[stoic island]

good enough included fans

3x120 front 1x140 rear pre-installed

don't really need more

[jagged ember]

That's a big rear fan

[muted patio]

I hve 4 140's in my case lol

[stoic island]

p500a op

[hollow lily]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sGRsxc

[muted patio]

yes

[hollow lily]

@little osprey

[jagged ember]

P500 kinda expensive

[muted patio]

$100

For what you get it's cheap

[jagged ember]

Oh

[muted patio]

IMO

[jagged ember]

I dunno what's in it

[muted patio]

Ram really should be 3600

or 3800 TBH

[visual dawn]

Thank you!

[jagged ember]

4000mhz

[little osprey]

i mean i guess

[hollow lily]

out of stock

[little osprey]

4000

[muted patio]

Crucial maybe but not Gskill

[little osprey]

just because 3800 is annoying to find nice timing dpeending on brand

[hollow lily]

was out of stock when i bought

[little osprey]

wtf is this list

why 2 separate SSDs

[hollow lily]

idk

[stoic island]

fun

[little osprey]

the AIO u can just buy a H150i or a liquid freezer ii 360mm

[hollow lily]

.

[stoic island]

freezer ii, ek-aio, or galahad

[hollow lily]

already bought

[stoic island]

I don't recognize anything else as decent

[little osprey]

everything he posts hurts my brain

[hollow lily]

lol

ok edit my list

[stoic island]

@hollow lily also, just buy a mobo that has wifi

[hollow lily]

and send to me

[little osprey]

Why a wifi card????

[stoic island]

why a 180$ mobo, and then a wifi card on top

[hollow lily]

idk to scratch my butt

na im trolling

ill fix mobo

[stoic island]

like an Aorus elite ax is 160$ or so for good mobo with wifi

aorus pro ac also good

[stuck abyss]

pci 1x /2x wifi cards are goo lol

[hollow lily]

i neeb usb c tho

[stuck abyss]

y'all trippin

[little osprey]

LOL

[little osprey]

shut up

[stuck abyss]

just wait til i drop the stimulus

ok Mando

[hollow lily]

lol

[stoic island]

damn it aorus pro ac price went way up

[little osprey]

mr rule 5

[hollow lily]

omg

he curse

[stoic island]

it was 180$ not long ago

[hollow lily]

[stoic island]

what

I say hell all the time

:P

[hollow lily]

u said d word

[little osprey]

say bad word in the /spoiler

||vintage u smell||

[hollow lily]

💩

||damn||

[little osprey]

thats not

[stoic island]

Damn isn't a curse word :P

[stuck abyss]

look man I have no issues with mobos with wifi lolol but wifi cards are pretty budget friendly

[hollow lily]

[stoic island]

I mean

[stuck abyss]

if u don't wanna drop hella bred on a mobo

[little osprey]

Why would you want a wifi card with a build like that?

[hollow lily]

ye the wifi card is 29.99$

[stoic island]

Considering most of the time mobo with wifi is just 10$ more than mobo without, and the wifi cards are 20-30$

I'd just go for mobo with wifi, and have the pcie slot empty

[little osprey]

White wifi boards however

those are a pain

[hollow lily]

idk maybe i should run an ethernet cord across my house so my dog can chew it when im not watching or someone can trip on it 😄

[stoic island]

color schemes are not for me

[hollow lily]

[stoic island]

@hollow lily route it through the wall

[little osprey]

ye idk why people color scheme mobos unless ur trying to make it entirely white

even pcb

[hollow lily]

im not a home depot worker

tf

i cant do that myself

[stuck abyss]

color schemes are kinda cursed unless you're dedicated to one brand

or u get lucky with different shades of white haha

[stoic island]

no

always cursed

[little osprey]

Yes but you can find a guy sittign on the curb outside home depot that will do it for you

[stoic island]

lol

[little osprey]

then you tell him he did it wrong

[hollow lily]

for 500$

lol

[little osprey]

then u dont pay him and kick him out

[hollow lily]

LOLLLLLLL

[stoic island]

lmao

[hollow lily]

LOL

WHAT IF HE CALLS THE POLICE?

[still roost]

Joseph B.#2424 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stuck abyss]

smh

[little osprey]

tf he gon do

[stuck abyss]

spoiler

[little osprey]

he was sitting outside home depot for work

[stoic island]

aw this is so sad

wifi boards so expensive no

aorus elite ax v2 is 190$ now

[little osprey]

its /spoiler

[stoic island]

no it isn't

[stuck abyss]

i know dawg lol

[stoic island]

it's this tho ||:P||

[stuck abyss]

nice

[little osprey]

say f word in /spoiler

like me

[hollow lily]

I CAN GET THE MSI CARBON OR MSI GAMING

caps

[little osprey]

||vintage u smell again||

[stoic island]

||friend||

[hollow lily]

sorry

[visual dawn]

can you mix up the words?

[stoic island]

bad words are bad

don't say them

[visual dawn]

i can't resist clicking black lined things

[little osprey]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic island]

lol

[hollow lily]

||hi||

[little osprey]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[hollow lily]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe wedge]

what is build chat right now

[stoic island]

I wonder if I can

[visual dawn]

<spoiler> test <spoiler