building-and-recc-chat

[still bay]

i knew it was the hdd just wanted to confirm

its okay

[lament oyster]

NVME in general is pretty expensive

[still bay]

im not gonna get a like 970 evo like my current one is

[balmy patio]

nvme drives are getting cheaper tho

[still bay]

i hate how on newegg if u search up 4tb nvme ssd u just get a bunch of laptops

u gotta like filter it

im actually not certain ill be able to find a 4tb nvme ssd

i think ill just get the same hdd but off amazon

[balmy patio]

holy frick 600 bucks for a sabrent rocket q, the 4tb one

that's expensive

[still bay]

yeh

but sabrent is crazy fast

[little osprey]

my friend just asked me if a 5900x and a rtx 3080 are enough to power a 1440p 240hz monitor for warzone, fortnite etc?

[muted patio]

Overkill

but yeah

[hollow grail]

ehh

[still bay]

for fortnite its overkill

warzone im not so sure

and wdym by etc.?

[hollow grail]

i mean theyre alright

what do you need a 4tb nvme drive for?

[still bay]

ive determined im just gonna get the same hdd i have rn but from amazon

[hollow grail]

what hdd?

[muted patio]

Lili, this happened yesterday, you missed it lol

2 months old

[hollow grail]

vintage u need to start telling people to use hd sentinel

[balmy patio]

storage woman will critique your storage solution smh

[muted patio]

I dind't tell them to use anything

[hollow grail]

to check this stuff

[muted patio]

They posted it here

[hollow grail]

just in general lol

[still bay]

wd black

[hollow grail]

theyre good

i think the toshiba x300 is around the same

for like half the cost

[still bay]

2/3

ill go for it

thank u

[hollow grail]

❤️

[deft zephyr]

Guys i have a question

is it fine that i got the 3070 FE over any other version?

[wanton cliff]

yep

FE is great as long as you dont care about RGB

[muted patio]

FE is just fine

[wanton cliff]

just as long as it isnt Zotac or PNY you will be absolutely fine

[deft zephyr]

i dont give af about RGB

[hollow grail]

pny good

stfu

[deft zephyr]

Ok thanks guys that is very reasuring

[hollow grail]

[deft zephyr]

what is so bad about those versions?

[hollow grail]

zotac sucks

[deft zephyr]

the zotac one i saw was bout tiny asf

[hollow grail]

pny just doesnt do anything rematkable

[deft zephyr]

how so?

[hollow grail]

someone has to get the lowest binned stuff

[wanton cliff]

poor Zotac and PNY

eVGA gets all the good stuff

[little leaf]

rip lol I'm canceling a 3080

[wanton cliff]

no

give it to me

which one is it

[little leaf]

vision

the white one

[wanton cliff]

please

deliver to my house

[little leaf]

lmao

[wanton cliff]

will pay large sums of money

[desert gulch]

or you could just use blackmail smh

much more effective

[rain flower]

my phone is missing

in the snow

lmao

[desert gulch]

call it

[rain flower]

WHY

hahhahaha

[desert gulch]

or use findmyiphone

[rain flower]

i'm trying

all requires other device

[desert gulch]

or findmydevice if its android

[rain flower]

and the ipad is locked

what is the cheapest phone in the us commercial market

[desert gulch]

then what are you typing on rn

[rain flower]

computer

but i can't get into icloud

[desert gulch]

you can locate it from there

o

[rain flower]

hi ryannnn

[desert gulch]

wait till snow melts?

[rain flower]

I located the approximate distance

yes thats the plan

[desert gulch]

pog

[rain flower]

gonna periodically locate

whyyy world

haha

[balmy patio]

you can use find my iphone on the computer

[rain flower]

world said housing now

can't get into icloud act

[desert gulch]

they cant get into icloud

yeah

[balmy patio]

frick

if there's children around, tell them that whoever finds it first gets 5 bucks

it's better than to pay for another device, and you make sum kids day

[rain flower]

OMG^ should've done that

i asked some neighbors

and their kids were with them ❤️

in the snow it was cute

ty

might be locked out of wali forever

[knotty kite]

Tomorrow I am gonna go pick up some parts at the Micro Center

[rain flower]

ooo

nice

[spiral lake]

i wish i lived in a state where there was a microcenter

[balmy patio]

dang

i live like 6 hours away from a microcenter... on a good day

[hearty valve]

Over a day for me

[rain flower]

can someone tell V

[balmy patio]

at that point it's not even worth going to one lmao

[rain flower]

aw

we all love microcenter

I was supposed to call my sister today 😦

[balmy patio]

bruh why couldn't they just put one in silicon valley smh

[balmy patio]

lmao did you find ur phone or not yet

[rain flower]

NO

: , ((((

gonna go look again

[balmy patio]

smh

[rain flower]

SMH

[balmy patio]

did you find a child

or no

[rain flower]

no

im gonna cry lmao

or not

need that phone tho

for things

[balmy patio]

can relate

[rain flower]

gna go try again

and again and again and again

lmao

byeeee

besitossss

[deft harbor]

hey guys are PNY gpus any good

[muted patio]

THey work

They just don't overclock well at all

[rain flower]

no dice

[deft harbor]

ok i dont think i will overclock

how about evga gpus

[muted patio]

Fantastic cards

[balmy patio]

they're good

[muted patio]

The warranty is second to none

[deft harbor]

this is my pcpartpickerlist for $1000 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dGhTVc

[muted patio]

You can OC, install a waterblock and they don't care

[deft harbor]

is it good

[muted patio]

still warranty the card

[pliant lake]

What are you using the PC for? and are you willing to get current gen hardware even though it is out of stock?

[deft harbor]

im not getting current gen

not a lot of school and lots of gaming

[pliant lake]

Thats probably the best you can get with the market rn, get 3600 CL16 RAM though

[deft harbor]

ok

do u think once gpu stocks get better 2060 s price will go down

[wanton cliff]

you could pass by with CL18 at that speed tbh

[wanton cliff]

definetly

[pliant lake]

yes, but it costs then same for better timings

or like $5

[wanton cliff]

not with 32gb lol

the difference is $30 or $40

[deft harbor]

do u guys recomend any other cases tho

[pliant lake]

its 16GB of RAM

[wanton cliff]

P400a and P500a are both good

[wanton cliff]

i know but still

[pliant lake]

its irrelevant to this conversation then

[wanton cliff]

just something that exists

no discord server links

[dense eagle]

wait can i send my pcpart picker list for review??

[deft harbor]

whats the diffference between the p400a digital and the normal one

[muted patio]

RGB

[wanton cliff]

p400a digital has big RGB

[scenic turret]

RGB fans are included

[dense eagle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4fDKxc

im building an overkill pc for 4k

someone pls tell me if anything is wrong

[balmy patio]

3090 is overkill for 4k

get more fans

[wanton cliff]

there is a lot more you can do for overkill

[scenic turret]

If you don't OC, 850W PSU is fine

[deft harbor]

dont get 3090

[wanton cliff]

3090 is easier to get

[deft harbor]

so the normal p400a doesnt have fans

[wanton cliff]

no RGB fans

[muted patio]

It has fans, just no RGB

[scenic turret]

It does but they are not rgb

[dense eagle]

so get more fans??

[deft harbor]

ok i dont need rgb

[dense eagle]

i dont think a 3090 is ovekill for 4k

[balmy patio]

yeah to get optimal airflow with the o11d, ya need more fans

[wanton cliff]

yes. You can also get a 5900x, and a TUF B550 for that smexy BIOS flashback

[wanton cliff]

only 10% better than the 3080 at 4k

[dense eagle]

ok

[scenic turret]

Smexy bios flashback 😂

[wanton cliff]

but yeah get a 5900x and CL16 RAM too

[scenic turret]

Or you could wait for 3080ti

[wanton cliff]

hasnt even been confirmed or announced yet

[scenic turret]

Yep unfortunately

I'm literally keeping my 3080 in its box within its shipping box til the 3080ti rumors come true

[dense eagle]

i dont know if i do get a 3090 the orice total might be around 3600$ and the most im spending is 4k so im not to sure if i should get a 3080 or a 3090

so much typos lol

[wanton cliff]

or you can sell it to me for MSRP

[scenic turret]

Lol

I already did that with the 3080 MSI Suprim to my HS friend

[wanton cliff]

how tf did you get two????

[scenic turret]

I'm debating on my personal usages rn

[scenic turret]

Backorder. Originally backordered Vision but I wanted to boost my chances so I backorder Suprim

[dense eagle]

basically what im saying is i can get a 3090 because im spending 4k max on it but am unsure if i should get the extra performance or save some money

[wanton cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/gib-gibs-milkers-apu-apustaja-hands-gif-14790740

wrong gif

[scenic turret]

Lol

[scenic turret]

3080 + R5 5900x is better imo in the long run than 3090+ 3900x

[hollow grail]

depends what you do on it

ill be honest though

if you need a 3090

you know

if you dont know

you probably dont need one

[balmy patio]

sam with ram, if you don't know why you need 64gb of it, you don't need it

[scenic turret]

^

[dense eagle]

oh and another question how many fans should i get for my case??

[balmy patio]

6 at least, 9 is optimal

[scenic turret]

For Dynamic, just go 9 fans

[balmy patio]

side and bottom as intake i think, top as exhaust

[sharp blade]

How much Watt to you need for a 3090 and R9 5900x ?
(both overclock)

[scenic turret]

Probably 1000W or over

[wanton cliff]

Well over a thousand

[sharp blade]

and with a 3080?

[wanton cliff]

At least 850

[muted patio]

750W for 3080

[wanton cliff]

Maybe 900

[muted patio]

QUALITY 750W

[balmy patio]

^

[wanton cliff]

With a 5900x, heavy overclock they said

[scenic turret]

Vintage knows what PSU to get

[dense eagle]

i am going to buy the x73 kraken though isnt that 6 fans??

[muted patio]

750W is fine with 5900X if it's a good one

[balmy patio]

6 with push and pull

[wanton cliff]

Don’t need more than a 360mm AIO

[scenic turret]

Yep than 6 additional fans

[sharp blade]

is this enough for 3080 and r9 ?
Be quiet straight power 11 850w

[scenic turret]

Dynamic has weird circulation of air for some reason

[wanton cliff]

I would get a Phanteks AMP or Seasonic Focus Gold

But yeah

[hollow grail]

@dense eagle get this aio pls its so nice https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-aio-elite-aurum-360-d-rgb

[balmy patio]

frick

i forgot that existed

[sharp blade]

The thing is im on another dc server and they say the opposite xD

[dense eagle]

never heard if that aio

[balmy patio]

it's one of the best imo

[muted patio]

We;;, be quiet doesn't make great PSU's

[balmy patio]

in terms of performance and looks

[hollow grail]

ekwb is like the watercooling brand

[dense eagle]

the looks are ok

[scenic turret]

So famous for custom water loops

[muted patio]

Like, a Phanteks AMP 750 is just fine for the 3080/5900x

[hollow grail]

leadex

🥺

[muted patio]

Espensive

[balmy patio]

i think the rev df 850 is 110 bucks rn so you can snag that as well

[hollow grail]

pcpp is ust 1 brain cell

its like 109 on wegg rn

or close to it

[dense eagle]

im going for aesthetics and performance at the same time

[hollow grail]

for 750w

114

my bad

[dense eagle]

i think ima go for 3080/5900X build

its what 800 dollars more for a 3090?

[pliant lake]

yes

[dense eagle]

so that would narrow the price to like 2800

[balmy patio]

and you can use the rest for better peripherals

[ebon matrix]

why do ppl set up 2 monitors left and right and not just middle and left or middle and right

ur just looking at a line

[quasi snow]

personal preference

[balmy patio]

they just like staring straight at some bezels

pretty weird now that i think about it

[sharp blade]

Can i plug a 4 connector in this 8 ?

[muted patio]

No

[sharp blade]

cuz i have a board that has 8 and 4

[muted patio]

Ah

Only need the 8 pin for CPU power

[desert gulch]

you prolly dont even need the 4

yeah

[muted patio]

4 power isn't needed

[sharp blade]

ah okay

[desert gulch]

unless you running like a 5950x

oc

[muted patio]

On LN2

[hollow grail]

because theyre dumb asf lol

anyone who does that is legit weird as hell

[gusty abyss]

middle right gang

[hollow grail]

3 displays gang

[gusty abyss]

💸

[ebon matrix]

true

[hollow grail]

[sharp blade]

https://geizhals.eu/?cat=WL-1953328
It's a german site but how is it?
And any Case suggestions?

[wanton cliff]

1 monitor 2 TVs gang

[hollow grail]

weak

why are non usa sites always so ass

[wanton cliff]

Because USA has best internet

[hollow grail]

we have some of the worst in the free world actually

sorry to burst bubble

[latent storm]

1 1080p 60hz monitor gang

[hollow grail]

but am actually patriotic that most medium sized USA companies have banger sites

[desert gulch]

1 1080p 144hz gang

[hollow grail]

everywhere else is omega suck

[stoic island]

@hollow grail btw I actually saw testing on the ek-aio elite saying it's relatively bad, haven't followed up on it yet

[latent storm]

imagine having a gpu that can run 144fps 😐

[hollow grail]

its the same aio, just different shell

iirc

[desert gulch]

how much was that 1050ti?

[hollow grail]

so id call those tests bs

[desert gulch]

im guessing its a placeholder

i hope, at least

1050ti with r5 3600 is gross

i love my r5i7rtxrx5070xt

[hollow grail]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ek-aio-elite-360-d-rgb-cpu-cooling/3

looks fine

[stoic island]

uhhhh why that noise

oh wait

I'm dumb

but I don't like how little you gain for the price

just go og ek-aio

[earnest olive]

@hollow grail when can i expect a lililabs bottom cable hiding shroud

[hollow grail]

never

[hollow grail]

2x the fans?

[stoic island]

it doesn't usually go that far in terms of noise

[sharp blade]

Any suggestions?
Still need a motherboard with least 2 m.2
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/PsychOPC/saved/#view=VhhkJx

[wanton cliff]

why 2?

[small osprey]

asus b550-f or tuf x570+

also that aio is bad

[wanton cliff]

its alright

just overpriced

[small osprey]

get the arctic liquid freezer ii instead

[wanton cliff]

or EK AIO

[small osprey]

^^

[wanton cliff]

a small amount of RAM for what you are getting lol

[small osprey]

pretty sure thats b die ram

[sharp blade]

should i get 3600 and 32gb?

[wanton cliff]

and you are going to need some case fans (I recommend either Noctua or Arctic fans)

[wanton cliff]

yeah

Ballistix if you can

[small osprey]

arctic case fans are really good

but i recommend id cooling lol

[wanton cliff]

says the droq fangirl

[small osprey]

kek

droq is the best

[wanton cliff]

standardized testing time

[small osprey]

simple facts

[wanton cliff]

see yall later

[small osprey]

oof

cya

[wanton cliff]

wait I have a few minutes

[sharp blade]

what noctua?

[wanton cliff]

fan company

highest quality

from austria

[sharp blade]

no i mean what kind xD

[wanton cliff]

oh

the $20 ones are good

fan names are weird

[sharp blade]

yea i see

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/Mb4gXL/noctua-case-fan-nff12industrialppc3000pwm

this one?

[wanton cliff]

ah euros

yeah those are good

if you dont mind my asking, where are you from?

[sharp blade]

Austria

[wanton cliff]

what a coincidence

so is Noctua

[small osprey]

lol

[sharp blade]

haha

[wanton cliff]

you could probably drive to their headquarters and buy some wholesale tbh

[small osprey]

austria is big

[sharp blade]

nah

its pretty small

[wanton cliff]

trying to find their headquarters

[sharp blade]

in Vienna

[wanton cliff]

makes sense

[sharp blade]

like 4 hours with the train :/

[wanton cliff]

eh

[small osprey]

yea what i meant was

[wanton cliff]

probably wouldnt have just been able to buy some wholesale anyways

[small osprey]

its gonna take time to drive to hq

[sharp blade]

yeah

[wanton cliff]

if only you were closer to Vienna

[sharp blade]

yeah xD

[wanton cliff]

I hear austria is beautiful this time of year

kinda want to visit tbh

[sharp blade]

Yeah it's great for skiing 😛

[wanton cliff]

im going skiing this weekend actually

[stoic island]

@sharp blade btw industrial fans are loud asf

[wanton cliff]

new skiis

trying them out

[wanton cliff]

amazing cooling tho

[stoic island]

Nf-a12x25s are great for noise normalized performance

I don't have context for what they're doing

But most normal people won't want industrial fans

Because they're made for server closets, and pushing as much air as they can with no regards to noise

[wanton cliff]

forgot about noise, was mostly thinking about cooling an O11

[sharp blade]

do there exist black ones?

[small osprey]

ll120 kek

[stoic island]

Nf-a12x25s gonna get black later this year

[sharp blade]

i could take a other case

[small osprey]

these https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-0017-00019

[wanton cliff]

p400a Digital has aRGB fans you can make black

[stoic island]

@sharp blade if you want black, Arctic's P12 fans are a pretty good alternative
(From Noctua)

[small osprey]

recommended by sips

quiet and good

[sharp blade]

How is it now?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/PsychOPC/saved/VhhkJx

[small osprey]

looks good

but for an o11 ur gonna need like 7 fans

[stoic island]

I'd change case still lel

From o11

[sharp blade]

not just 3 bottom intake / side aio intake / 3 top exhaust?

[earnest olive]

whoa, someone buying an O11 to not put in $500 of rgb fans?

unheard of

[stoic island]

And I'd prob change psu if d.f. is in stock

[small osprey]

side aio??

what

aio should be top

[stoic island]

O11

[sharp blade]

aio on the side?

[stoic island]

@small osprey it should have enough space for you to do tube down

[wanton cliff]

B550-f doesnt have flashback

[stoic island]

So side aio can work

[small osprey]

yes it does

[wanton cliff]

TUF B550 does tho

[wanton cliff]

u sure?

[small osprey]

the wifi version at least

but this one should too

[wanton cliff]

huh

alright

nevermind

[sharp blade]

What case/psu would you suggest?

[stoic island]

Bios flashback botton

[small osprey]

yes it has flashback

[stoic island]

Ima get on laptop so I can actually do things

[small osprey]

for o11 i would do top aio + 3 bottom and 3 side intake

and then one back exhaust

[hollow grail]

need 3 aios at once

[small osprey]

lmao

[hollow grail]

actually

like 1x aio per cpu and then one for gpu

[small osprey]

per cpu??

[hollow grail]

dell should partner with EKWB or something

i want watercooled epyc servers

[small osprey]

lmao

[hollow grail]

like fr

[small osprey]

idk what ur even talking about

[hollow grail]

ive been thinking of watercooling my servers

[small osprey]

do it then

custom loop

[hollow grail]

but all my servers are limited edition

so i dont feel like it

[small osprey]

then buy new one

and watercool it

[earnest olive]

@hollow grail lol water cooling is easy just drop it in the bathtub

[hollow grail]

true

[earnest olive]

there are water blocks for epyc though

don't let your dreams be dreams

[waxen yew]

is $100 for a build charge and 15% for prices over $1000 good for charging to build PCs from scratch?

[stoic island]

I wouldn't say so, should prob section the price off differently depending on the specific build

And 15% over seems pretty high, @earnest olive will prob have more experience with how to price things for resale

[blissful aspen]

Can somebody help me please

[waxen yew]

Sure friend

[blissful aspen]

I can show a video of the problem were havi with this build

[earnest olive]

@waxen yew check your local competition but that's way higher than what I do

and I live in a pretty well off suburb

I do $75 minimum if the pc has a glass panel, $50 otherwise

otherwise 10%

with a maximum of $250

[earnest olive]

and that's still higher than some local competition but I have a better portfolio so I still get business

[rich helm]

Why does the glass panel mean 25 dollars extra @earnest olive

[earnest olive]

because it means I have to spend 20 mins extra on cable management

if there's no glass panel I can slap the build together in 20 mins

[rich helm]

Oh yeah true

[earnest olive]

if there is then I need 40 mins

[stoic island]

You do some builds with solid panel?

Like mx330-x?

[earnest olive]

yeah

super budget builds

[stoic island]

Ah

[earnest olive]

lemme find link

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/9yTCmG

a build like this takes like 20 mins to throw together

[blissful aspen]

Bro hello

[earnest olive]

so I just charge very little

okay lunch time bye

[broken basin]

I tried replacing the top with the bottom stick but laptop won't boot, can't find a compatibility list for a lenovo ideapad s145

[stoic island]

Sometimes they can have weird max ram capacity, so if you could find manual for your laptop and check that

[blissful aspen]

I need help

[sharp blade]

I guess something with the power supply?

[mental steeple]

Possibly board short on case, try running it out of case

[blissful aspen]

Ok well try booting outside the case

[lone trellis]

can anyone tell me a good gaming laptop with rtx graphics under 1k

[blissful aspen]

Still no fix when I took out the case and plugged everything in

Should we replace the psu?

[fossil halo]

check if ur fans are plugged in right

make sure that the headers are plugged in fully

@blissful aspen were u able to fix it

[blissful aspen]

Nope abut to replace motherboard

[fossil halo]

bruh

ok

thats really weird

tho

@hollow grail can i be an intern for lililabs or do you have to be smart for that

well considering the fact thta your daughter is an unpaid intern it looks like a really exclusive job

are pny cards really that bad?

[clever eagle]

There is one in Walmart with 2060 only 749

[boreal quiver]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/syVLqp 👉👈

[stoic island]

Out of date

Looks like a list from a year and a half ago :p

[boreal quiver]

Do you suggest any changes

Very tight budget

[severe axle]

if its a tight budget then you don't need an $80 aio

[hollow grail]

also u dont need that samsung drive

[stoic island]

It's 1000$...

[hollow grail]

ooh that HURT to say

[stoic island]

Like

[hollow grail]

[stoic island]

Yeet the aio, go 10400+b460/h410, keep sammy :p

[hollow grail]

dump the seagate tho

[stoic island]

Grab a better gpu

[hollow grail]

throw that into the trash where it belongs

[stoic island]

Case you prob want to change to

Td500 mesh/p400a/P500a/lancool ii mesh

Mx330-g air for money saving

[boreal quiver]

1000 is tight

Thats my restriction

[hollow grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9z8Cqp

40 over budget but good

[cloud depot]

does anyone know the diferance between the samsung evo 970 and the plus version they both 1tb

[hollow grail]

one has better nand

the plus uses samsung's best tlc

normal one is ok too though

[cloud depot]

ok what is nand still learning sorry

[hollow grail]

its like the actual stuff that stores the data

[cloud depot]

ahh so its a little faster. so the samsung980 pro would be faster correct?

[hollow grail]

much faster yes

[cloud depot]

ok thank you

[hollow grail]

id get the sn850 over the 980 pro though

[cloud depot]

why?

[hollow grail]

its a better drive

faster too

[cloud depot]

ok thank you.

[hollow grail]

the rocket 4.0 from sabrent is also excellent

[cloud depot]

really apprate it

[hollow grail]

and same for the corsair mp600

[cloud depot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YPTrPV. i was thinking a faster or bigger m.2 would be nice would i didnt know if i should

[fossil halo]

tbh wait for intel 11th gen

if ur gonna go that high end

[cloud depot]

3k

to max 4k buget

[fossil halo]

3k is an enormous budget

[cloud depot]

true

i was just wondering if getting a bigger or faster m.2 would be smart

[stoic island]

Seagate drives aren't great endurance wise, might want something else

@hollow grail am I being dumb or is wd blue 2tb 3.5in smr?

[cloud depot]

im mostly looking at primary stoarge at moment. that was more of a place holder so i would remeber

[stoic island]

Also.

[fossil halo]

isnt wd drives good

[stoic island]

3070 for 1000$?

And a G3 1000w?

[fossil halo]

i think thats just a placeholder

put a custom price on it

to not confuse urself when making the build

and 120$ on non rgb fans

wow

[stoic island]

@fossil halo either way when total budget is 3k+ it should have more than a 3070 if anything takes use of gpu

[cloud depot]

i am going to independently look around this is just list everytone

[fossil halo]

6 fans for 120$

[fossil halo]

i think a 3090 would comfortably fit in this budget

[stoic island]

I'd say 3080 at least

[fossil halo]

if some of the dtupid things were taken cae of

like the aio

the fans

[hollow grail]

WD20EZRZ is cmr and that is what i tell people to get @stoic island

[stoic island]

Also, just don't get a 1000w g3, is not great for the price, not great for the wattage, and not great in general

[fossil halo]

windows 10 pro 😂

[cloud depot]

i dont want rgb. and vintage racer helped me put this together

[fossil halo]

um

[stoic island]

@hollow grail is that the one the amazon/wegg listing links to?

[hollow grail]

WD20EZAZ is an oem drive

yes

[fossil halo]

i just think thats a HUGE amount to pay for fans

[stoic island]

Alright

[hollow grail]

https://www.newegg.com/blue-wd20ezrz-2tb/p/N82E16822235013

see

[muted patio]

$20 per fan isn't bad

[cloud depot]

i will be doing research.; this is just the list for me to go off of to look into

[stoic island]

What about amazon lili

[muted patio]

Those ML's will last forever too

[fossil halo]

it is pretty bad

[hollow grail]

i wish they were more clear, but seagate has no such thing for consumer

[fossil halo]

that is true

but

20$ per fan is really steep

[stoic island]

@muted patio Noctua tho smh

[muted patio]

[hollow grail]

@stoic island if its rz its fine, az no

[stoic island]

I'd personally go for Arctic P12s also

[fossil halo]

i mean idk i got cheap chinese fans for like 7$ apiece

[stoic island]

It's just usually much cheaper, like 7$ a fan instead of 20

[fossil halo]

and they work just fine

yea

20 is really steep

[cloud depot]

LIST EVERYONE NOT FINAL prices

[stoic island]

P12 is very high performing for the price, just a bit below nf-a12x25

[fossil halo]

ik that

but

[cloud depot]

ok sorry

[fossil halo]

we are trying to improve the list

[stoic island]

@cloud depot not that worried about the price, more about the fundamentals of what you should and should not get

[fossil halo]

so u dont spend too much money and dont get much

yea

want to max out the potential of ur budget

[stoic island]

Like the "expensive fans vs cheap, but good fans"

[cloud depot]

@muted patio help. you helped me and now i am confused

[hollow grail]

i think half this channel is techies cannibalizing each other

[stoic island]

Nah

[fossil halo]

wow fr tho

well not really

[stoic island]

we usually agree on things

[fossil halo]

its just me confusing people

and others trying to help

anyway i should go do english homework its due today

[hollow grail]

me disagreeing with vintage is a tale as old as time

[fossil halo]

LMFAO

[stoic island]

I mean

[cloud depot]

like i told vintage. i wanted preformace. i didnt care about looks or rgb.

and if the 3090 comes down or just gets in stock i may upgrade to it

[stoic island]

Yes, afaik Arctic P12 performs better than ML120s, for a better price

5 fans for the price of 2 MLs :P
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HC782D5

[muted patio]

Nope

ML120 75 CFM

Those, 56 CFM

Also, bearings are different but

[stoic island]

Vintage, never look at CFM xD

Different manufacturers different testing methods

it's just a mess

[muted patio]

Whatever, I like what I like, you like what you like

[stoic island]

I'll take a look at reviews again later, but iirc P12s outperformed MLs

[muted patio]

🤷

[cloud depot]

thank you vintage. i came asking about the m.2 if it would be wise to go bigger or faster and it turned into a little mess sorry

[fossil halo]

again my man

no one can tell you what you need

you need to know what you need

[stoic island]

I like criticizing all parts of a build, sorry :P

[fossil halo]

m.2, or i think youre trying to refer to nvme, is for fastest storage that you want quick access to

[stoic island]

Anyways, that g3 1000w really bothers me

[fossil halo]

then there is hdd, which is mass storage, for less important things that you will not need quick access to

[cloud depot]

guys im new. and this rabit is so deep. i wanted preformace and durability and cool temp wise

[stoic island]

G3 isn't a great unit, high set OCP and all, and missing OTP, and at that price you can get better PSUs

[fossil halo]

it is also far less expensive than nvme

[exotic marten]

Nvmes are going to get hot regardless s

[stoic island]

It is quite a deep hole you've found yourself in

[muted patio]

The p12's also have fluid bearings

[fossil halo]

if you have money

[muted patio]

Not the best

[fossil halo]

get nvme

if u dont

then dont

really

more than 2tb unless ur messing with like big data and stuff

[exotic marten]

Pcie 3.0 decent prices

[fossil halo]

more than 2tb is a lot

far too much

[cloud depot]

ignore the hdd please i just mean the main one

[fossil halo]

yes

ur nvme

[cloud depot]

also this is my first build

[fossil halo]

will be ur boot drive

[exotic marten]

1tb nvmes usually around 100

[fossil halo]

no

100 will get u a mediocre one

well

[exotic marten]

Ahh no sir

You don't even need pcie 4.0 yet

[stoic island]

@muted patio I know this isn't a great review, but there's no great fan reviewers sadly, but this is what I was basing my conclusions off of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwftVMGPOiI

[exotic marten]

Hell a sata ssd will be fine for anything as well

[fossil halo]

yea

[muted patio]

Buy what you want

I like ML's

They work well

🤷

[stoic island]

They do work well in general

but I feel there are better options, especially for the price

[muted patio]

Of course there are, you recommend your stuff, I recommend other stuff

[cloud depot]

so the corsair fans i got are good?

[stoic island]

Decent, I'd get something that performs better and for cheaper, but it's your choice in the end

[exotic marten]

Cougars are pretty good

Had 2 120s for years dead silent

Usually full speed

[stoic island]

also @muted patio what's the fan setup gonna be? Just realized it's 2x120mm and 4x140mm, not 6x120mm lel

[fossil halo]

wow

[stoic island]

3x140 front, 1x120 rear, 1x140+1x120 top..?

[fossil halo]

and he also has an aio

[cloud depot]

no i will have extra fans

if i go with that list.

[fossil halo]

LMAO

[cloud depot]

because to cpu cooler comes with fanes

[stoic island]

oh well ima go grab some good psu alternatives

[fossil halo]

what is that phanteks eclipse case

130$

looks so bad

[stoic island]

P500a

[fossil halo]

just go with lianli o11

[stoic island]

it's very good

[fossil halo]

o11

[stoic island]

P500a better, for cheaper :P

[fossil halo]

ig

but this dude got a THICCC budget

O11 is by far the best looking case on the market and its thermals aren't even the worst thing on this planet

[cloud depot]

i dont care about looks

[fossil halo]

k then go for a meshify or a p500a

[cloud depot]

it could be puke green and i wouldnt care

[stoic island]

Okay, PSU alternatives time, you can either go full send with a RM1000i, great PSU, much better over G3, 200$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/w9Jkcf/corsair-power-supply-cp9020084na
or you could slack off a bit, Revolution D.F. 850w, better PSU than G3, but a bit lower wattage, 120$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CQNgXL/enermax-revolution-df-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-erf850ewt
@cloud depot

They're just better, and they don't have a (practically) broken protection on the PSU

[cloud depot]

ok so now back to original question. nvme m.2. should i try and get a bigger or faster drive or both

[stoic island]

Let's start with "faster", they're not going to work with an intel 10th gen chip (PCIe 4.0 drives), on top of most people not even being able to take use of the speed

[blissful aspen]

Fixed the pc guys, turns out needed to replace psu

Sticking to Corsair PSUs forever haha

[fossil halo]

oof

[stoic island]

Every company makes good and bad PSUs, just get the good ones from Corsair

[fossil halo]

is toshiba p300 good hdd

or what about wd red pro

[stoic island]

That'll be something you ask lili, she knows more about HDDs

[cloud depot]

so faster nvme m.2. would be better or im good where i am

[fossil halo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYLKxc

idk this is a really badly modified version

mr111 can fix it

[stoic island]

You're good where you are SPEED wise

[fossil halo]

added in a 3090 for 1800

replaced the corsair fan things for p12s

[stoic island]

You likely won't benefit for a faster drive, and there are no faster drives that are compatible at the moment. (No screw honeybadgers we're not spending 3000$ on nvme drives)

[fossil halo]

replaced the nzxt aio with a freezer

and thats it

[cloud depot]

so going to the samsung 970 plus would not help any

[stoic island]

oh damn rmi doesn't fit in p500a?

hm

@fossil halo why'd you switch to meshify c lmao

p500a fits it, but meshify c doesn't fit

I was so confused on why pcpp said it was incompatible

[fossil halo]

oh mb

i forgot

wait what does rmi mean

[stoic island]

@cloud depot this'll be my suggestion, and no, from 970 evo -> 970 evo plus is not a worthwhile upgrade for 1tb, very little perf changes
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4mFyZZ

[fossil halo]

i am in the learning stage of tech support

[stoic island]

@fossil halo the really good multi rail corsair PSU

[fossil halo]

oh

lmfao i cant relate to good psu

||i have an s12III and i have to go to sleep every night wondering if my pc will turn on the next day||

[stoic island]

@fossil halo these are the only PSUs I ever look at for high end builds

[cloud depot]

what does multi rail and single rail mean

[stoic island]

All that'll be applicable to you is that good multi rail units are better for higher wattages because they can monitor OCP better

[fossil halo]

wait what is the difference tho

i must learn

[small osprey]

means different energy systems which is good incase one fails or smthn

[fossil halo]

oh

[small osprey]

i forgot i read something a long time ago

[cloud depot]

thank you

[stoic island]

In a PSU, there are different rails for power, 12v, 5v, 3.3v, and multi rail vs single rail refers to the amount of 12v rails

[small osprey]

^^

that

[fossil halo]

i think mine is 12v

650w

[stoic island]

All PSUs have 12v, 5v, and 3.3v (ignore the intel or whatever 12vo psus)

[small osprey]

the more 12v rails the better for higher end units bc better protection and stuff

[cloud depot]

so my m.2 shoudl i go bigger so i can store more games to run faster on

[fossil halo]

i think mine is single rail

[fossil halo]

unless ur a maniac dont buy an nvme just for games

[stoic island]

@cloud depot that depends on you, if you go with some of the changes in the list I gave you, you have enough spare budget to go 2tb if you'd like

[fossil halo]

and also gargoyle statue

[stoic island]

It doesn't hurt to get more, it's all about how much you'll need/want

[fossil halo]

i thnk ur confused

m.2 and nvme are not the same thing

[mental steeple]

this is fact

[fossil halo]

m.2 is a connector by which u can add m.2 nvme or m.2 sata drives with

[cloud depot]

ok sorry. nvme

[fossil halo]

nvme drives are the fastest drives

[stable pulsar]

m.2 is a formfactor nvme is how it transfers the data

[fossil halo]

yea

[mental steeple]

sure if its implemented properly

NVME is a storage protocol

[stoic island]

It's still a M.2 drive, but NVMe drives are a type of M.2 drives

[mental steeple]

m.2 is a connector

M.2 2280/2230 etc is a form factor

[mental steeple]

No because there are non m.2 nvme drives.

[stoic island]

Yes

NVMe drives are a type

[mental steeple]

NVME is a storage protocol and that's it

[stoic island]

not the only type

[mental steeple]

Nvme is a storage protocol for SSDs

[stoic island]

Yea

[cloud depot]

so going to a 2tb nvme is if i have the buget pretty much

[mental steeple]

mushin pilot E time

[stoic island]

It's not that expensive for you since you have a high budget, but it's a expense you should keep an eye on

@mental steeple this is like 4k usd budget lel

[mental steeple]

Ok and:?

There's literally zero point in adding anything more high end then that

[stoic island]

there's like 400$ free in the budget for whatever

sammy for software :P

[cloud depot]

want to try keep it closer to 3k but 4k max

[mental steeple]

If they have that high of a budget get them to buy 2 mushkin pilot E's

[stoic island]

Okay time for cutting

[cloud depot]

what is mushkin pilot E's

[stoic island]

It's a slightly cheaper drive

oh wait 970 evo 2tb is out of stock so Pilot E 2tb is an option

[cloud depot]

im not able to buy everything today so im willing to wait a little for things

[stoic island]

Pilot E is practically the same performance as a 970evo, just less brand name, software, and a bit weirder with endurance

[cloud depot]

i dont want to worry about endurance

[ripe wedge]

mushkins is weird

lol

[hollow grail]

samsung endurance is unmatched imo

[mental steeple]

you dont need to worry about endurance with modern half decent SSDs

It's just not a concern.

The pilot-E and the 970 evo will both outlast their useful lifespan to you

And both are in the same performance class

[little osprey]

Is there any threadripper equivalent or better than the 5950x?

[stoic island]

Not yet

[little osprey]

Yep not yet

5950x has less cores but the frequency is higher of the 5950x

Basically lower clocks

[stoic island]

?

@little osprey you mean like 3960x..?

or smth

[little osprey]

Threadripper Pro vs 5950x

[little osprey]

5950x im pretty sure has a higher base clock

since I dont know when I can build my pc since I kind of need to upgrade

[stoic island]

than itself?

[little osprey]

I mean the pro

LOL

5950x base clock is most likely higher than threadripper pro

There, that better?

[stoic island]

threadripper pro also still on zen 2 iirc

[little osprey]

^

Its not Zen3 yet

"It was rumoured"

is 3950x even worth it with the 5950x around?

3950x is workstation

Stuff like I do.

[stoic island]

meh

[little osprey]

Blender 3d,

Adobe

Not really games

[stoic island]

if like 5950x is impossible to get and 3950x used is cheap

[little osprey]

^

[still roost]

mult1kill#5785 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[little osprey]

5950x is also like 800

[muted patio]

Also, TR Pro may not even come to consumer market AMD has no plans to offer Ryzen Threadripper Pro chips as standalone purchases.

[little osprey]

MSRP

[little osprey]

^

whoops, i also do the same stuff

mostly animation

Threadripper is 100% workstation

[stoic island]

@muted patio I thought they said they're moving to consumer?

the lenovo only chips being sold to consumer?

[muted patio]

There's an exclusive with Lenovo

[ripe wedge]

oh you guys are talking the threadripper pros?

[muted patio]

For that chip

[little osprey]

wait can't you buy a threadripper from amazon?

or do you mean Pro

[muted patio]

"AMD says it will make the chip available to other workstation vendors after the exclusivity arrangement ends, though it did not provide a timeline for that."

[stoic island]

ah

[ripe wedge]

yeah I think Linus said they will become non exclusive at somepoint in the future

[muted patio]

Not any time soon

[little osprey]

so 3950x or skip and wait for 6950x lol

Also Im going to be quite honest

No consumer is going to pay 3 grand for a cpu

[stoic island]

6950x? lmao

[little osprey]

for a GPU, perhaps

[stoic island]

I'd say no

[little osprey]

But 100% no way for a CPU

[stoic island]

ddr5 early adopter fee and early adopter problems

[little osprey]

unless prices go scalped as much as GPU's

Im just planning to stick out DDR4

[stoic island]

Gonna wait for year 2

[little osprey]

It might be "Out of date" lol

so pretty much wait for 5950x to not be higher price and actually instock?

[stoic island]

Yes

[little osprey]

but no thanks in upgrading 24/7

If you can get one

They should be hard to get but prob not as impossible as RTX

i already decided I am running my 2060 into the ground and never getting nvidia again

Im vibing here with a 3070

The only chance we have to take down NVIDIA

is if everyone stops buying nvidia lol

Or AMD body slams it

[ripe wedge]

2060 is still a good card

[little osprey]

or a 3rd party comes in and slams both of them

[ripe wedge]

still should last ya a long time

[stoic island]

lol

[little osprey]

tbh its looking like AMD

but with stock issues

thats a nope right now lol

[stoic island]

hoping AMD comes around with good stock

[little osprey]

yeah I just wanna upgrade my cpu and mobo

^

[stoic island]

AMD stock worse than Nvidia stock atm

[little osprey]

and case

When they actually have good stock

they could perhaps stab NVIDIA

and bring it down with them.

[ripe wedge]

amd is having a hard time with stock because their gpus use the same node iirc as the desktop chips

[little osprey]

^ Aren't there GPU's pretty decent?

[ripe wedge]

I think

[little osprey]

Like not fully on par with AMpere

but pretty on par

[muted patio]

Raw raster wise, yes

[little osprey]

I know ampere almost 100% is a bit faster than Navi

I know ampere is 100% faster than navi by a bit^

But also did the 6900xt even compete with the 3080?

It met the standards?

Or other one i mean

Wrong model

[ripe wedge]

yeah the 6900xt beats a 3080

[little osprey]

6800xt

I meant

Cause 6900 i think is like the 3090 equ

[ripe wedge]

6800xt is slightly below a 3080

between a 3070 or 3080

[little osprey]

Honestly 2080ti might of been a slightly better choice for blender

due to more vram

but 3070 works fine still

@ripe wedge my 2060 is fe, I feel I got screwed over cause next couple of months the super came out

[ripe wedge]

6800xt has 16gb of gddr6

[little osprey]

which is why I dont want nvidia cards anymore

[ripe wedge]

ah oof

[little osprey]

NVIDIA always pulls stunts like that...

You realize AMD will prob to aswell

its just how the GPU market works lol

yeah most likely

[ripe wedge]

companies are always working on new stuff

so its only a matter of time before your new hardware is outdated

[little osprey]

^

My 3070 is already prob going to be outdated lmao

[ripe wedge]

and thats the fact you have to face

[little osprey]

With lovelace leaks

but im still happy

You can't always upgrade 24/7

unless your rich

[muted patio]

Lol, companies always release new stuff right after you buy yours

[little osprey]

or want to spend money constantly

[ripe wedge]

lovelace isnt coming out for another year and and a half

[muted patio]

That's just how tech works

[little osprey]

I just want a new cpu and motherboard, I think it's about time for an upgrade

Well yeah, but technically since we even know lovelace is coming out

It still means it will be / is outdated lol

or if even DDR5 just gets phased

my DDR4 is technically "Out of date"

i was an early adopter of the ryzen stuff 1700x isnt doing it for me anymore

I just waited till i felt it was the right time

Which had to be this year lol

I made a massive leap

[stoic island]

I bought 2070 og

[little osprey]

from a i5-2500 to ryzen and pascal to ampere

[stoic island]

sad when 2070 super came out like a month after

@little osprey you might be able to get away with a 3600/3700x with a bios update and no new board

[little osprey]

uhhhh

3700x is currently all out of stock

On amazon it says a new shipment won't arrive till march

[stoic island]

like in general

zen 2 chips

[little osprey]

Yeah zen 2 works

Im so happy i bought my 3700x in november

It got sold out already lol

DAMN

Even the 3600 is out

I dont know if I wanna go for last gen stuff

But a earlier delivery

I mean even current gen stuff is going to be pricey

[ripe wedge]

people are scalping old gen stuff

lol

[stoic island]

here's the thing

[still roost]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯#8550 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stoic island]

first gen boards won't be able to take zen 3

[ripe wedge]

saw a gtx 1660 super on fb earlier for $400

[little osprey]

LOL scalpers don't know what they are doing

[stoic island]

I was just saying what chips you might be able to get without changing boards