building-and-recc-chat

[keen zealot]

Yeah, PC isnt posting so let me remove my MOBO battery real quick

[civic tusk]

If so then why is it listed on all amd motherboards other than asus ones

[wanton cliff]

I will die on this hill btw

[viral ore]

most manufacturers for amd board use XMP regardless

because they dont care

[wanton cliff]

did you follow the video I sent?

[muted patio]

DOCP is an ASUS term

The other boards don't use it

[viral ore]

also A-XMP

i would assume for AMD-XMP

lol

[muted patio]

You have to pay Intel Royalites to use XMP lol

[civic tusk]

Yeah think that in msi if I'm right

[muted patio]

It really comes down to that

[keen zealot]

So any idea why my the RAM OC won’t work

[fossil halo]

i did

i got 0 threats

im like kinda spooked

bc

[viral ore]

start with what ive suggested twice now

[wanton cliff]

as I thought

[viral ore]

then we can think more

[fossil halo]

i installed this sus video editing software a bit back

[keen zealot]

Yeah, I will. Just taking the battery out now

[civic tusk]

I agree the cmos reset is a good place to start

[keen zealot]

Just wondering why a setting won’t work when people say it will

[viral ore]

battery out, unplug the system, hold the power button

[fossil halo]

and i instantly delted it right after i realized how stupid of a decision i had made

[wanton cliff]

which one?

[fossil halo]

videopad

from nch software

[civic tusk]

I am confused on why it's not working though what cpu is he using?

[fossil halo]

idk the internet had mixed opinions whether it was safe or not

[viral ore]

my current best guess is the XMP profile dram voltage is too low

the board isnt properly adjusting for voltage drop

and its just enough to make the dram unhappy

[muted patio]

Well, there is a new stable BIOS update as well but they reported it didn't work

[wanton cliff]

manually do voltage then

[muted patio]

I'd suggest trying it again

memory compatibility updates

[viral ore]

3200 1.35v with auto timings should always work

[civic tusk]

Do we know what cpu he is using

[viral ore]

if dram voltage is the issue

[wanton cliff]

yes

[viral ore]

5800x

[keen zealot]

Give me a bit, battery is hard to get to so I need to remove the GPU

[viral ore]

so thats def not the issue

[civic tusk]

Ah so not a mem controller issue

[muted patio]

BIOS right now for 5000 series is all over the place

Lots of issues with mem and other things

especially on x570

[viral ore]

could be old AGESA version messing things up

[fossil halo]

is videopad safe?

sara

like if its not then i know im screwed

[muted patio]

That's why I'm thinking a BIOS update to V14 should be tried again

[wanton cliff]

no idea tbh

[fossil halo]

LOL

aight then

ill run a deep scan after school

[civic tusk]

Surely to get it to work though he would have had to flash the bios anyway and that would be the latest one would it not

[muted patio]

No

He's on 13

there's a V14

[civic tusk]

Ah well this could be the issue then

[muted patio]

Some mobo manufacturers have done multiple updates since the new CPU AGESA

some haven't

[keen zealot]

I flashed v14 and it caused my pc to boot only to bios I read of windows, so I flashed to v13

[muted patio]

I'd try V14 again and check boot order

[keen zealot]

Instead** of windows

[wanton cliff]

just download bitdefender real quick

[fossil halo]

free?

[muted patio]

The update probably squashed the boot order

[viral ore]

thats not that hard to fix

[wanton cliff]

yeah free version does the job

[civic tusk]

This ^^^^

[viral ore]

so we'll have you reupdate to v14

then go from there

[keen zealot]

Alright, battery has been out back in, lemme plug the pc back in and boot to bios

[viral ore]

pro tip, with things like this i prefer to just leave the battery out

it isnt really necessary

[keen zealot]

Put* sorry phone screen causes typos

Protector causes my types to not register

[muted patio]

wat

[viral ore]

then, once the system is working you can just pop it back in and reconfigure with your known good settings

[muted patio]

Just, don't unplug it from the wall

or flip power switch off. I really wish every MOBO had a BIOS Reset button

instead of the silly jumper

[viral ore]

ive been spoiled by my x299 dark

[civic tusk]

Some don't even have the jumper

[viral ore]

just click the button, poof, takes me right to a clean slate bios config in like 10 seconds

still saves my profiles

[fossil halo]

@wanton cliff it crashed again while downloading bitdefender 😳

[civic tusk]

X299 dark a nice high end mobo though

So gonna be feature rich

[viral ore]

got it brand new from evga for 160

i love it

[civic tusk]

Absolute bargain tbh

[viral ore]

ik, i think they were just dumping stock

[civic tusk]

What you got in it

[viral ore]

its been oos for months now

10920x, 4x8gb b die, 1080 FE

[civic tusk]

V nice

[keen zealot]

Okay, so you guys were saying my first action should be to update the BIOS to v14, right? Should I use my laptop and flash, or can I do that with the actual PC

[wanton cliff]

oop

[civic tusk]

Upgrade that 1080 though lol

[viral ore]

been trying

[fossil halo]

do you know what could be the issue im so spooked rn

[wanton cliff]

1080 vs 2060?

[civic tusk]

I feel ya

[wanton cliff]

honestly no

do a CMOS rq

[fossil halo]

whats that

[civic tusk]

X570 tomahawk has bios flashback feature so just use that

[viral ore]

use the laptop to put the bios rom onto the flash drive, update through the bios

[civic tusk]

^

[keen zealot]

Alright, one sec

[viral ore]

flashback works to, either way is fine

[muted patio]

Don't forget to rename the BIOS file, MSI is picky

[mild tartan]

i have ordered a odyssey g7 i am going to include my pc specs below. i am trying to upgrade my pc to run it at 240 hz what i need to know what i need to change without breaking the bank thanks.

mother board/ m5a99fx pro r2.0
GPU/ GTX 780
CPU/ AMD FX-8350
ram/ 16 GB

[wanton cliff]

take out the CMOS battery (known also as a Button Battery) for about 10 minutes with power supply off

[viral ore]

everything

[wanton cliff]

literally everything

[keen zealot]

Rename it to what? Last time I flashed to v14, I just downloaded it and then flashed it

[viral ore]

that cpu is not gonna have the frametimes necessary to run any newish game at 240fps

[fossil halo]

bit defender is telling me

to uninstall malwarebytes

[wanton cliff]

do it then

[viral ore]

default is prolly fine, unless manual says otherwise

but it you left it alone before, then its fine

[wanton cliff]

altho i hate bitdefender, you need to do a deepscan and that requires other antivirus software to be uninstalled

because bitdefender is the most thorough

[fossil halo]

aight

[keen zealot]

Sorry, laptop is old and slow. I’ll let you guys know when I have the new bios downloaded and ready to flash

[fossil halo]

im installing

installed

scanning

[mild tartan]

i was thinking about just getting a 2080 but i see now i probably gonna have to do allot more

[viral ore]

new cpu, mobo, ram

prolly new psu

new storage most likely

whole new system lol

[keen zealot]

Wow, I can totally see how spoiled I’ve gotten just by having this pc for 2 weeks vs my laptop. I feel so impatient waiting for it to load

[muted patio]

2080 has been discontinued, I wouldn't count on too much more stock coming in for those.

[mild tartan]

crazy how things old so fast lol

[viral ore]

yeah

[civic tusk]

2080 also been replaced with better for less money (when you can find them)

[little osprey]

Ayy

[mild tartan]

what is it now

[little osprey]

Should I get a 3000 series laptop when they come out

[civic tusk]

well 3060ti beats 2080 performance

[mild tartan]

ah i see

[wanton cliff]

3080 same MSRP as 2080, much more powerful

Good luck finding one tho

[wanton cliff]

2080 super as well

[mild tartan]

yeah ive seen that wow

im using ge66 raider with the 2070 super as my main rig may have to use it for awhile

[civic tusk]

@viral ore anyway i believe we got off on the wrong foot no malice was meant with discussions before was just trying to have a discussion

[viral ore]

yeah i feel that, im very much used to people just showing up here and arguing constantly

for no good reason

so i usually automatically brush people off as trolls

[civic tusk]

Yeah not me just looking to help out

[viral ore]

even when they arent

[keen zealot]

Alright v14 is downloaded, flashing to v14 now

[civic tusk]

had discussion with lili and mr1111 anyway was good

[viral ore]

yeah thats fine, ive been here for a while, most of us regulars see people show up trying to "help" so when someone wants to have a discussion about something thats against the "norm" we kinda just assume lol

so im sorry bout that

[civic tusk]

Yeah no harm done dude

[olive sentinel]

Whats a budget friendly gpu for video editing?

[civic tusk]

You going to be gaming too?

[olive sentinel]

a little bit

[civic tusk]

Maybe something like a used vega 56 then

If you undervolt it and then oc it can get some decent performance out of it

What psu do you have?

[olive sentinel]

okay what a new one cause ive had problems with used stuff.

i dont have a psu the only stuff i have is a case and the cpu

[civic tusk]

For new there is nothing worth buying apart from the new gpu's out and they are very hard to come by

[olive sentinel]

whats a good website to get used equipent without getting riped off

[keen zealot]

Okay, v14 brought me to the BIOS again

[civic tusk]

Okay try to enable the xmp profile again

[civic tusk]

Depends on the country

[keen zealot]

Before that, I need to figure out why in v14, my PC only boots to BIOS instead of windows

[civic tusk]

That will just be your boot order

[keen zealot]

Boot priority has hard disk as first

[civic tusk]

Is that where the os is installed?

[keen zealot]

Yeah, I only have 1 SSD

Everything is on it

[civic tusk]

Hmmmm should be booting to that then

See if sassy has some suggestions

[viral ore]

there is probably an entry of your SSD as a legacy device, and one with it as a UEFI: device

[keen zealot]

But wait, I just realized BIOS version says E7C84AMS.140

[viral ore]

i would start by disabling CSM in the boot options

[keen zealot]

Is that normal

[muted patio]

yeah, that's correct

[keen zealot]

Okay

CSM?

[viral ore]

yeah, could be written out in the bios as compatibility support module

either way, disable it

[viral ore]

it just becomes a hassle if all you're doing is running windows

[plush mist]

ah yes msi bios

[viral ore]

wish msi could just be normal

but

[plush mist]

bios version is just what version it is

[viral ore]

that looks fine to me

[plush mist]

yea

[keen zealot]

Im not seeing csm

[viral ore]

i think its disabled

msi probably just renamed it "boot mode select"

and UEFI is what you want

[keen zealot]

Alright

[muted patio]

It has the u for the boot icon

[viral ore]

if you hit F7, does it take you to an advanced menu?

[muted patio]

In the boot priority up top

[keen zealot]

Yes

[viral ore]

yes theres an advanced menu?

just work in that

its easier to find what you're looking for

msi has a history of messing that up too...

[civic tusk]

Yeah the newer msi bios i actually find harder to navigate than the older ones

[keen zealot]

Oh, I found the CSM toggle, it’s set to UEFI like you said

[viral ore]

good

so lets ignore windows for a bit and test XMP

[keen zealot]

Alright, so set from auto to 3200

[civic tusk]

try 3600 tbh

[viral ore]

and is there an option to manually set dram voltage?

[civic tusk]

There is no reason it shouldn't work really

[viral ore]

and yeah, just toss it at 3600

insane to think it wouldnt work at that speed

[keen zealot]

Yeah, DRAM Voltage is set to auto

[civic tusk]

yeah and 1.35v is normally enough for 3600

[viral ore]

but set voltage to like 1.37

wee bit higher than what the kit is rated for, because some boards are lazy with dram voltage

[viral ore]

yep that one

1.37

[keen zealot]

Okay, done

[viral ore]

save and exit

[civic tusk]

is xmp even enable there

[keen zealot]

Disabled

[civic tusk]

looks like 2133 at the top

[viral ore]

i would assume thats just the current speed?

maybe?

[keen zealot]

Yeah

[viral ore]

no idea tbh

[keen zealot]

Should I leave it disabled for now

[viral ore]

xmp? yes

[keen zealot]

Alright, saving now

[viral ore]

well, honestly at this point you could enable xmp then increase voltage

but doesnt really matter, we are just testing

[civic tusk]

I would try that tbh

go 3600mhz and do the 1.37v as sassy suggested

[keen zealot]

Alright, speed is at 3600 and posted, but still going straight to bios

[viral ore]

dope

now, enable xmp, with default voltage

once that boots, we will fix windows not booting

[keen zealot]

Should I leave the frequency at 3600 or change back to auto

[civic tusk]

Enable the 3600mhz xmp profile

[viral ore]

setting xmp should automatically reset that

[civic tusk]

and leave everything at auto

[viral ore]

change it back to auto to be safe

[civic tusk]

shoud set voltage to 1.35v

Which in theory should work

[keen zealot]

Well I set the volts back to auto, so change it to 1.35 before saving or

[viral ore]

set that to auto too

[civic tusk]

auto voltage is 1.35

for xmp

[keen zealot]

I don’t know if it matters, but it’s listing my auto as 1.392v

[viral ore]

after enabling xmp??

or before?

[keen zealot]

Yeah, but I haven’t saved yet

XMP is enabled, everything is in auto

[viral ore]

thats not high enough to prevent post, but strangely high

[keen zealot]

Let me save and exit and see what happens

[viral ore]

ok

[civic tusk]

Yeah i always thought xmp default voltage was 1.35

[muted patio]

It is

Lemme check mine

[viral ore]

for 3600, yeah

[civic tusk]

yeah it same at 3200 too

[keen zealot]

Okay, it posted but now the voltage says 1.216V

[muted patio]

Seems like the auto voltage is spooped

[civic tusk]

Are you not looking at core voltage there

[viral ore]

thanks msi, i dont know anymore

[muted patio]

XD

[viral ore]

vcore is like 1.4

[civic tusk]

best to send pic

[keen zealot]

I’m just looking at DRAM Voltage

[viral ore]

yeah send pic

[civic tusk]

hmmmm

it posted though

so can't see the problem

[viral ore]

man i hope this version of the bios isnt also a pos

i guess HWinfo could maybe tell you once windows boots

[muted patio]

That or CPU-Z

[civic tusk]

yeah

[keen zealot]

Wait a minute, with XMP enabled, my DDR speed is back to 2133

[viral ore]

oh, i think memory training on xmp failed...

[muted patio]

Yes

[viral ore]

but this bios version is smart enough to recognize that

[civic tusk]

What is profile 2 for xmp?

[viral ore]

probably identical

[muted patio]

I would just set it manually, 3600/1,35V and make sure the timings are correct

[viral ore]

it usually is

[keen zealot]

They both say DDR4 3600MHz 16 - 19 - 19 - 39

[civic tusk]

Just try profile 2

Worth a shot

[viral ore]

could be secondary and tertiary timing differences

[keen zealot]

Profile 2 set the speed to 3600

Voltage is also 1.372

[muted patio]

ya know what would be great? if the manus documented this stuff in their manuals -_-

[civic tusk]

Well the voltage is abit more reasonable now at least

[viral ore]

maybe if they would stop wasting time with a fancy bloated gui bios...

[civic tusk]

Couldn't agree more

Msi old bios was alot better

[keen zealot]

So I’m good to just leave everything in auto with profile 2, sounds like?

[viral ore]

yeah thats fine

give it a go

[keen zealot]

So now how do I get back into booting windows instead of bios lmao

[civic tusk]

Now that is the $1000000 question

Everything looks right in your config

[little osprey]

I had same problem xd its about boot options

[keen zealot]

The only thing that fixed it when I tried v14 was switching to v13

[muted patio]

Can you manally boot to Windows from the BIOS by selecting the boot device?

[river sinew]

I upgraded my PSU and GPU and when I started my computer back up my monitor stays on “signal not found” can anybody help me with this?

Don’t want to spam this chat 👀

[viral ore]

what GPU? dont forget the PCIe power cables

[keen zealot]

Gonna be a stupid question, but how do I manually select it in bios

[viral ore]

i have the same question too

it varies

i literally couldnt tell you lmao

[little osprey]

I had same problem with msi bios but there was something I changed about boot options I don't remember what and it worked

[keen zealot]

This was my boot screen

[muted patio]

I know ASUS Bios, I don't know MSI Bios but there's a way

[civic tusk]

@keen zealot go to the boot option 1 press enter

then select your hard drive

[viral ore]

your system does not like xmp...

[little osprey]

ok it shouldn't be uefi

[keen zealot]

That doesn’t do anything

[civic tusk]

@viral ore You think we gonna have to help him manually set the timings and that

[keen zealot]

Oh, guys ignore the speed in the boot pics

[civic tusk]

So when going to boot option 1 and pressing enter it doesn't pull up another menu

[drowsy thorn]

i am ordering cable extensions for my build, curious how do i figure out if i need an 8+6 or a 8+8?

[river sinew]

It’s a evga rtx 3070 xc3 ultra. The psu cables were 2 double 6+2 pcie cables I first used one double 6+2 and it didn’t work then tried using 2 double 6+2 cables but only one 6+2 connection from both double cables

[viral ore]

did we try xmp with a forced 1.37?

[keen zealot]

It’s still 3600, that was taken before profile 2

[little osprey]

no no it's not about xmp if it directly goes to bios on msi . i had same problem . its about boot options

[solid verge]

gota love those ram sicks

[viral ore]

or did we just take the bioses word for it

[civic tusk]

He said ignore

it old photo

speed still at 3600

[keen zealot]

Current screen

I just used an older photo sorry

[viral ore]

oh sweet

[little osprey]

it shouldn't be UEFI on boot menu problem is there

[civic tusk]

It should bring this menu up

[viral ore]

what should it be?

[civic tusk]

Should be the actual disk

[muted patio]

Didn't he say it was NVME?

M.2?

I wonder if it needs to be enabled in a setting somewhere?

[keen zealot]

Yes, SSD is nvme

[little osprey]

Legacy

[keen zealot]

So change that to CSM?

[civic tusk]

Nah that should be on UEFI for NVME

[little osprey]

there should boot node select is allow you select another mode

[viral ore]

that is so confusing wth am i looking at

[little osprey]

I had same issue before

[viral ore]

so CSM is... on?

[keen zealot]

CSM is off, UEFI is on

[viral ore]

well, turning on csm cant really hurt anything, i would give it a go

even though you cant install windows 10 in non uefi mode anymore

so

UNLESS

your HDD has the bootloader

[keen zealot]

Side note, when I set the toggle to off, Hard disk pops up

[viral ore]

and you had windows on the HDD in the past

and you reinstalled on the SSD

[keen zealot]

I don’t have a HDD

[viral ore]

oh

damn

[keen zealot]

Just the one SSD

[little osprey]

there should be this pop up on boot options on bottom

thats why it going to bois

I had same thing

[keen zealot]

Okay, I have that now

Let me save and exit and see if it boots

[still roost]

SassyFish256#5719 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[viral ore]

oops

worth a shot i guess

smh

[civic tusk]

tut tut sassy lol

[viral ore]

trying to type too fast

[civic tusk]

was that a warning from a typo

[viral ore]

yes lol

[civic tusk]

lol

[little osprey]

@keen zealot go to bottom UEFi hard drive bbs priorities and select ur drive easy

[muted patio]

Ah, what a simple slip of the fingers can do XD

[keen zealot]

Lmao unless I misunderstood the toggle and CSM was ON? But when I set it on, UEFI highlighted, when I set it off CSM highlighted

[viral ore]

thank u bot for doing your job

[keen zealot]

Alright guys, setting the toggle booted to windows

[viral ore]

no one really knows, all we can do is guess

[viral ore]

thats all we care about, screw msi bios

[little osprey]

lol

I had headache first time about it too 😂

[keen zealot]

Ayyye thanks so much guys! How do I check to see if RAM is actually at 3600 without bios?

[muted patio]

CPU-Z or HWINFO64

[viral ore]

easiest option is task manager, but sometimes it doesnt report it correctly

[civic tusk]

Beat me to it

[viral ore]

if it still says 2133, check one of the two options vintage listed

[keen zealot]

Task manager is listing memory as 3600

☺️☺️

[civic tusk]

Happy days

[keen zealot]

Thanks guys! Sorry I was a hassle lmao

[muted patio]

Not your fault MSI BIOS is oof

[civic tusk]

It's cool i enjoy a challenge

[keen zealot]

Sweet, so I have the newest nonbeta bios and oc RAM

Niiice

Tomorrow when my fans and hub come in, I’ll post a pic of the final build

[wanton cliff]

My friend got a 3070

[dreamy lantern]

ow

[wanton cliff]

And I’m still here with just a 5700xt

Feelsbadman

[little osprey]

I still waiting for card too

[dreamy lantern]

i have 1050ti you have nothing to worry about

[little osprey]

where the heck is that damn cards

[muted patio]

hide and seek masters

[normal berry]

Just got a 3070 at MicroCenter this past Friday. They have some set aside if you are looking into full builds. Would just call and ask if they have them in stock for the build.

[wanton cliff]

Looking for something (preferably 3080) by itself

[river sinew]

I replaced my 5700 xt with a 3070 today but now my monitor just says signal not found

😩

[wanton cliff]

To be sure, you plugged it into the GPU, right?

Not the mobo?

[river sinew]

Yea

[normal berry]

Ahh got it, would just be on the lookout on their website or call once a week or something.

[wanton cliff]

Yeah I already have a build

Just need a new PSU (any suggestions for 3800x and 3080?) and the card itself

[river sinew]

Not the mobo. I plugged it into the first DisplayPort slot on the gpu

[wanton cliff]

Try the second DisplayPort slot on the GPU

Or even the 3rd if there is one

[river sinew]

When I first started it up I plugged my two monitors into it

One into the 1st the other into the second. Both didn’t work

So I plugged one into the third and that didn’t work either

Also tried with a hdmi and that didn’t work

[wanton cliff]

Oop

He gots a dead card

Either that or power isn’t plugged in correctly or something

[ripe wedge]

reseat the gpu

[wanton cliff]

Make sure power is plugged in correctly

[pliant lake]

Does you motherboard show any post codes?
And yeah, reseat

[ripe wedge]

reseating means taking the gpu out and put it back in

[wanton cliff]

Make sure all your pins (should be 2 8pins on the 3070, might be a 12-pin) are in correctly as well

[ripe wedge]

fyi

[wanton cliff]

He has an FE card right?

Can’t remember if he said

If so, I believe it has an included 12 ping adapter

[muted patio]

yes

[wanton cliff]

Which you are obviously using, hopefully

Anyways

[muted patio]

requires 2 8 pins

If the card was bunko, the VGA light should be on

[wanton cliff]

You need to make sure that the 2 8pins are plugged in correctly

[formal cosmos]

how many 120mm fans can i use on this mobo with no fan splitters https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3XYcf/asrock-b550-pro4-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-pro4

[muted patio]

• 4 x Chassis/Water Pump Fan Connectors (4-pin) (Smart Fan Speed Control)*****

[wanton cliff]

So, in layman’s terms, 4 of ‘em

[formal cosmos]

i thought it was 6?

lol

i’m dumb

[river sinew]

Just reseated it. Plugging it in now

[ripe wedge]

ah good

[river sinew]

My PSU came with 3 double 6+2 cables. I am using 1 of those double cables. so one cable plugs into the PSU and splits into 2 6+2 connections both going into the gpu

[muted patio]

Ah

No

One separate cable for each connector please

You will need 2 of the 6+2 pin cables

[wanton cliff]

2 from the same works fine for my 5700xt but yeah

[muted patio]

Not for a 3070

Power draw exceeds the single cable rating

Plus one cable supplies RAM and the other the actual GPU die. They're split somehow, similar to that

I can't remember the exact details

[river sinew]

I tried it with 2 and it didn’t work either. But that was before I reseated it. Haven’t turned on the pc yet so I’ll unplug it and try running it with 2 again

[muted patio]

is there an error light on your motherboard?

Speaking of which, what CPU and motherboard?

[river sinew]

Ryzen 9 3900 xt

Asus pro ws x570 ace

[muted patio]

Interesting choice

[wanton cliff]

Could have gone Strix or TUF

But whatever

[river sinew]

It was a Newegg build

[muted patio]

It doesn't have diagnostic LED's either

oofs

[river sinew]

I don’t know anything about PCs tbh

[wanton cliff]

Also tfw you don’t even game on your computer anymore, just admire it and try applying overclocks to no avail

[muted patio]

Oh wait, it does

Up by the RAM slots

Are any of those on when you go to boot it up?

[river sinew]

Just closed it back up. Let me plug it back in and check

Gonna be hard to check because my radiator fans seem to block them

Is there any issue if I start it with the case open?

[next kestrel]

nope

[river sinew]

Ty

[dreamy lantern]

just making MSI MAG B550M MORTAR can use a m.2 as a boot right

[river sinew]

There’s a white light where it says VGA

[muted patio]

Yes

It can boot M.2

Ok, so definitely a VGA error

I'd suggest a CMOS reset by shutting off the power supply and removing the battery

for a couple minutes, then put it back in, turn power supply back on and boot again

Keep in mind this will wipe all your BIOS settings like XMP, etc

[modern shadow]

Making a build for a friend, 3000 aud budget. Any help?

memory intensive games, not too demanding

[river sinew]

Ok so I turn the pc off then turn the PSU switch off and unplug it for a couple of minutes?

[muted patio]

take out the battery on the motherboard

The little silver shiny one, after you disconnect power

[river sinew]

Ahhh. I got it.

Thanks lol

[muted patio]

YW

[fossil halo]

wait

this is a bit of a dumb quesiton

but

are the temps i see in nzxt cam in fahrenheit or celcius

or kelvin? 🧐

lmao the last one was a joke but whats the answer

[dreamy lantern]

is the GIGABYTE B550M AORUS PRO-P better then the MSI MAG B550M MORTAR ?

[fossil halo]

no

buy msi over gigabyte

and really buy asus over both of them

[dreamy lantern]

is there anything wrong with the GABYTE B550M AORUS PRO-P

[muted patio]

Nope, a bit pricey though

ASUS TUF B550 is cheaper and does the same thing

[viral ore]

would take b550 gigabyte over msi any day

[dreamy lantern]

B550M AORUS PRO-P price changed to 130usd

[muted patio]

Oh

It is $130

Go with that then

[dreamy lantern]

ok

what does extra -P do?

[fossil halo]

honestly

[viral ore]

makes the model number longer

[fossil halo]

go for the asus one

its like 159 or so

worth the extra money

thats the tuf gaming one

i think they have a standard asus one also that is like 120

[viral ore]

i would take the aorus pro

[fossil halo]

bc asus is much better for many things like they have better itnegration with other brands like corsair

and asus's software is usable

princess sara do you think you know what was happening

[civic tusk]

What do you mean better integration?

[winged tinsel]

Is it bad to close Microsoft onedrive?

[dreamy lantern]

?

[gleaming quartz]

no... unless you have used onedrive to store actual vital stuff

onedrive is a piece of garbage imo

[viral ore]

for people who use RGB software

[civic tusk]

Urgghh

[viral ore]

even though it hardly ever works properly

regardless of brand

[civic tusk]

Imagine buying corsair fans anyway apart from their ml fans

[viral ore]

and causes so many issues

lol ikr

[muted patio]

RGB is a PITA

3 pin vs 4 pin

this software or that software

ugh

[dreamy lantern]

the -p had bad reviews on new egg so

[next kestrel]

it really does pay off tho

[river sinew]

Ok so after taking the battery out for a couple of minutes my secondary monitor booted to this screen

[civic tusk]

Here's an idea wouldn't it be nice of someone just standardised it already

[severe axle]

the -p variant is better though

[muted patio]

YAY

Card works

[severe axle]

cooler running vrms

[dreamy lantern]

look at newegg

[muted patio]

Now boot to BIOS and setup your drive boot order

and ram timings

Press F1

[severe axle]

gn/buildzoid said make sure to get the -p variant

[viral ore]

newegg reviews dont mean nothing

[severe axle]

its in their recommended mobo list

or rather, video

[viral ore]

most buyer reviews on retail sites are useless

its a good indication of the odds of getting a DOA board tho

[civic tusk]

Yeah most bad reviews are based on problems between chair and pc not the actual part themselves

[river sinew]

How do I set up ram timings?

[civic tusk]

Not all but most

@river sinew DOCP there on the left or are you talking manual timings

[muted patio]

Turn on DOCP

halfway down on the left

[modern shadow]

What cooler would I need for a i7-10700kf

[wanton cliff]

Oooh, TUF X570

[civic tusk]

Sycthe fuma 2 is one I like to go for quiet and good cooling

[river sinew]

It had disable and profile 1 I click on profile 1 and this popped up

[muted patio]

OK

[civic tusk]

What is the ram

[muted patio]

Another screenshot?

[river sinew]

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232748?item=N82E16820232748

[viral ore]

at 2x16gb, it cant be terribly fast

yeah 3200

[civic tusk]

Yeah that noticfation is nothing to worry about then

[viral ore]

thats good, hit save and exit

[muted patio]

Yep

[civic tusk]

Asus bios is so much easier

[wanton cliff]

Asus bios is best bios

[gleaming quartz]

what about dell?

[river sinew]

That good?

[wanton cliff]

Yep

Alright I’m this close to level 29, someone help me by conversing with me so I can get my level up

[civic tusk]

I have msi myself at the minute because no good value options existed for asus mobos at the time for b450

And the bios on this is the older less gui focused msi one

Much better imo

[next kestrel]

i have asrock because it was 50$ open box at microcenter

[wanton cliff]

Cheap

Which board?

[civic tusk]

Is this for meep?

[wanton cliff]

Yes

@next kestrel

[next kestrel]

asrock b450 pro4

the ATX version

[civic tusk]

Not amazing but certainly good for $50

[wanton cliff]

Indeed

I would take that deal any day if the week

Alright

I need like 2 more messages

Need to wait 30 more seconds

[civic tusk]

Hmmm how did you think ces went

[wanton cliff]

So far, pretty good

As far as VR goes, which is all I’m interested in

[civic tusk]

Amd little disappointing I thought

[proper tulip]

what do you guys think of this pc https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XLKyQD my friend is saying i should get the same one, prices not right, idk why they are like that

[rocky ocean]

How much power do I need for a 3090

[wanton cliff]

A few things

[civic tusk]

3600 pretty bad value right now

[wanton cliff]

1: you don’t need thermal paste

Well, that’s a bit misleading

[proper tulip]

yea ik

[wanton cliff]

You don’t need to buy it separate

[proper tulip]

its just what he bought isk why

[fossil halo]

quite a lot

[proper tulip]

the main parts are what im talking about

[gleaming quartz]

some cpu coolers come with thermal paste, some dont

[rocky ocean]

Would 750 be enough?

[proper tulip]

is it mainly a good build?

[wanton cliff]

Otherwise it’s a pretty good build

[civic tusk]

Depends on the cpu you are using

[proper tulip]

ok thanks

[wanton cliff]

If you really want to go AMD then at least get 3600mhz RAM

[civic tusk]

Can oc that kit to 3600mhz

[wanton cliff]

Wouldn’t recommend

[gleaming quartz]

i would say go for a 3700 for amd

[civic tusk]

Why not it's micron e die

[wanton cliff]

Yeah

[wanton cliff]

Just going factory speeds is safer.

Silicon lottery and all

[civic tusk]

Yeah I suppose but defo think it could run 3600 maybe 3466

[wanton cliff]

Maybe 3466

Wouldn’t recommend 3600 myself tho

[civic tusk]

Like you said depends on silicon lottery

[wanton cliff]

How is the die on TridentZ?

[civic tusk]

It's b die depending on the kit

[rocky ocean]

I got a AMD 3700x

[civic tusk]

750w then

[rocky ocean]

Sweet

[wanton cliff]

For a 3090?

[civic tusk]

Yeah

[wanton cliff]

You are crazy

[civic tusk]

How

400w for the 3090

[rocky ocean]

I have everything at my house and I’m just waiting on these damn graphics cards

[wanton cliff]

Recommended PSU is 850w, and that’s assuming your GPU doesn’t have a massive power spike (which Ampere, and the 3090 in particular does more often than any other GPU series)

[civic tusk]

175 w for the 3700x

That's 575w add another 75w for rest of system that's 650w

[small osprey]

1000w wouldnt even be overkill

[wanton cliff]

There is a lot more to it than just that

[small osprey]

maybe a little bit

[civic tusk]

And the 175w is on a full load stress test for the 3700x

[wanton cliff]

900w is the bare minimum I would recommend for a 3090 build

[civic tusk]

That's overkill imo

[small osprey]

not really

[wanton cliff]

Like Ssenti said, even 1000w isn’t overkill

[civic tusk]

Explain how

[small osprey]

it’s basically minimal

[wanton cliff]

Power spikes

[civic tusk]

The 3090 does not power spike over 100w

[small osprey]

depending on ur cpu and other stuff u might even want a 1200w

[rocky ocean]

Ok so I should probably stick to a 3080 which was my main focus, was curious about the 3090 cause I could buy one rn

[small osprey]

most ppl dont need 3090 for gaming tbh

for 3080 i would say 750 minimal, 850 better

[civic tusk]

The 3090 is a bad purchase really for the price

[rocky ocean]

Yeah Ik but it’s the only thing out there atm

Sick and tired of waiting

[civic tusk]

And 750w would be fine for a 3700x and 3080

[wanton cliff]

Should be fine

[small osprey]

mm

[wanton cliff]

Hopefully

[tough kettle]

Transients are not anything new

https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/7a-Torture-Power-1.png

[rocky ocean]

So if I did want to upgrade my cpu what would I get? And would I need more power than 750?

[wanton cliff]

Likely yes

[tough kettle]

does not even go above 410 watts

[civic tusk]

Exactly what I was saying

But no 1000w apparently

Yeah maybe if you got a heavy oc'd 10900k in there

[wanton cliff]

Not only that but it also gives some upgrade room

[civic tusk]

Upgrade room to what lol

[next kestrel]

I got a 3070 for 730$

time to cyberpunk

[rocky ocean]

So next step above 3700x would be the 10900k?

[desert gulch]

Eww overpirced

No

3800xt

[rocky ocean]

Oh

[desert gulch]

Yeah

Bad value tho

[civic tusk]

No lol I was just using it as an example

[desert gulch]

Like horrible value

[civic tusk]

Don't buy a 10900k

[next kestrel]

after 3700x I'd say 5800x

[desert gulch]

Isn't 3800xt after 3700x?

[civic tusk]

Tbh 5600x is even an upgrade from 3700x

[desert gulch]

Not in cores tho

In core speed yeah

[next kestrel]

yeah but its one of those why would you

upgrades

[desert gulch]

Ik

But it's next step up

Technically

[civic tusk]

Ipc improvements though make multithreaded performance similar between the two

[next kestrel]

like going from a 1700x to an 1800x

[desert gulch]

Yeah

Lol imagine I buy a 3600x

Great deals

[civic tusk]

And gaming performance is defo better with the 5600x

[rocky ocean]

Any recommendations on monitors

[desert gulch]

Depends on game

[civic tusk]

3600 ain't even a great deal right now

[desert gulch]

Nah

It's like 195 last I checked

Got mine for 165

[rocky ocean]

I don’t think 1k on a 144 Hz dell monitor is a good deal

[civic tusk]

10400/10400f is better value than 3600 right now

@rocky ocean you going 3080 then?

[rocky ocean]

Yeah

[civic tusk]

Gigabyte m27q is a good reasonably budget 1440p monitor

[desert gulch]

Depends on use case for monitor

Gaming and photo editing require dif monitors

[rocky ocean]

This is the one my friend recommended

[desert gulch]

🧢

[civic tusk]

M27q has pretty wide colour gamut support last time I checked

And accuracy is decent iirc

My guess is this is for gaming though tbh

[desert gulch]

Yeah

I have an ultragear

Love it

[rocky ocean]

Wait is the monitor good or not

[desert gulch]

No

Not for 1k

[rocky ocean]

O

[desert gulch]

Monitor would be okay for like around 300

[rocky ocean]

Sooo what’s a good 1k monitor budget isn’t really an issue

[civic tusk]

Gigabyte m27q is good
If you have more to spend go for:
LG 27gl850/gn850
Dell 2721dgf

[desert gulch]

Don't spend 1k on monitor

[rocky ocean]

Ooo I will look into those Hursty

[desert gulch]

1k will get you like 3-4 rly good monitors

[rocky ocean]

Why can’t I get 3-4 1k monitors lol

[civic tusk]

Because it would be pointless

[rocky ocean]

True

[little osprey]

Hi

Hello

Anyone here?

[wanton cliff]

Yes

Hi

Sorry

[rocky ocean]

Hello :)

[wanton cliff]

My apologies, looking at today’s AMD keynote

[little osprey]

What's up?

[wanton cliff]

That’s not quite what this chat is for

[little osprey]

OK

[wanton cliff]

More for talking about computers/questions about computers

[little osprey]

Yes

[wanton cliff]

On the other hand, have y’all seen the new AMD mobile processors?

[rocky ocean]

👀

I have not

[little osprey]

NO

[wanton cliff]

Keynote from CES released today

One sec

[little osprey]

I have an ask

[wanton cliff]

https://youtu.be/zYdTl6Ad4Is

[wanton cliff]

Ask away

[rocky ocean]

I know that Nvidia announced the 3060

[little osprey]

I want a good laptop

[wanton cliff]

Also they announced new Milan processors (Zen3 Epyc)

[rocky ocean]

IMO don’t go for alien wear

[wanton cliff]

70% better than 10th Gen XEON

[wanton cliff]

Wait for February, if you can

New laptops tbr then according to the keynote I linked above

[little osprey]

OK i will wait

[wanton cliff]

Well, new mobile processors with said laptops

[rocky ocean]

Those things are gonna be gone in seconds

[wanton cliff]

They wouldn’t scalp laptops

And besides

They are getting bored already

[rocky ocean]

Wait they are?

Thank god

[wanton cliff]

Yep

Friend was able to do - get this

Get a 3070 5 minutes after a drop

On Newegg

[rocky ocean]

😳😳😳

[wanton cliff]

That was today at 7:35 EST

[little osprey]

How to start programming

[wanton cliff]

Idk, codecademy?

[rocky ocean]

That is a completely different ballpark

[wanton cliff]

Yeah lol

I’m not a software guru so much as a hardware princess

[rocky ocean]

The 3080s are so damn illusive

[wanton cliff]

Indeed

[rocky ocean]

I only see 70s and 90s

[wanton cliff]

3080 is most popular

That’s why

[little osprey]

OK

[rocky ocean]

Yeah but no sites are selling them

[wanton cliff]

Newegg?

[rocky ocean]

For me I can never find em even with notifications with discord and Twitter

[wanton cliff]

They always drop on Newegg at 7:30 PM EST every day

And now it is entirely possible to get one

Apparently

Get your F5 key ready just in case tho

[rocky ocean]

My god your a life saver

[muted patio]

Not every day

Mond-Thursday

maybe Fridays

[rocky ocean]

This is so helpful thank you

I really hope I can get one

[little osprey]

guys my build booted up on the first try

[wanton cliff]

love it when that happens

[rocky ocean]

Do you mean Monday through Thursday or just mondays and Thursdays, just to clarify

[muted patio]

Monday through thursday

sometimes Fridays

not on the weekends

[wanton cliff]

sorry wrong place

[rocky ocean]

Gotcha

[little osprey]

Just got my psu! My collecting begins

Next is the mobo

[wanton cliff]

Nice

Specs?

[verbal quarry]

whats a good 850w psu?

[stoic island]

Revolution D.F.\

[verbal quarry]

also will the 3080 run on a 850 without issues?

[muted patio]

yes

[verbal quarry]

sweet

https://newegg.io/a82869e

thoughts?

[muted patio]

Looks good. Mobo is a bit overkill but I get the RGB theme

[verbal quarry]

thanks

buddy of mine wanted a build in his budget so i need some opinions

[rocky ocean]

Is someone able to tell me the difference between these two 3080s I want to learn what it is saying

[verbal quarry]

one is white and one is black

[muted patio]

Probs clock differences too

[verbal quarry]

probably

[rocky ocean]

What is the clock

[verbal quarry]

i wouldnt know sorry

vintage what are some good aios

im looking at a iCUE H100i

also looking at the pro xt version

[dense sonnet]

Whats the point you can't buy them 😒

[verbal quarry]

the pro xt?

they are available

or are you saying i cant afford them

[dense sonnet]

Out of stock o haven't been able to find no 3080's

I

[verbal quarry]

oooh you were talking about the 3080s

i thought you meant the aios i was talking about

sorry about that

[urban trellis]

@verbal quarry the icue H100 is a good aio it comes with pre applied thermal paste and it also looks clean and keeps temps low so I would get that one

[verbal quarry]

sweet and what is the rpms of thos fans?

i couldnt see to find it

[urban trellis]

The included ones

[verbal quarry]

yes

[urban trellis]

Idk acctually

I think it's like 1400

[muted patio]

RPM's don't matter, CFM does

[verbal quarry]

what is cfm?

[muted patio]

Cubic Feet Per Minute

The more CFM, the more air they move

[urban trellis]

Oh

[muted patio]

RPM is sort of irrelevant except for noise with high RPM fans

[verbal quarry]

interesting ok

[muted patio]

CFM is actual air moved

1400 RPM fan can have 25 CFM or 50

[urban trellis]

So your telling me that I thught my amd stock cooler was good cuz it did 2800 rpm

But that didn't matter at all

[verbal quarry]

lol

[muted patio]

CFM matters more

[urban trellis]

Yea I understand now

[muted patio]

Cuz you could have a fan at 1400 RPM move the same amount of air lol

[verbal quarry]

will it actually tell you what it is?

[muted patio]

Maybe, might be buried in the tech specs

It does

2400 RPM

[urban trellis]

Probably won't cuz I've never heard of CFM and I've seen lots and lots of fans

[muted patio]

75 CFM

that's a lotta air

[urban trellis]

Yea

[verbal quarry]

welp here goes a few more hours of research xD

[urban trellis]

Lol

[muted patio]

This is why we hate the NZXT cases. No matter how many fans you add, you're still sucking air through straws instead of a screen door

[urban trellis]

Lol

Facts

[verbal quarry]

oh speaking of cases

[muted patio]

RPM all you want, you can't move any more air than you can pull through the tiny side holes

[verbal quarry]

mine came in today

[urban trellis]

Which one?

[verbal quarry]

Rosewill Prism-s black

[urban trellis]

Nice

[verbal quarry]

yes its a very sturdy case

[urban trellis]

I recently built my pc and I got the Corsair icue 220t and it came with 3 sp120s

[muted patio]

Is that front panel solid?

[verbal quarry]

yes

there is a side vent tho

[still roost]

Lightning7319#4402 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[muted patio]

It's not as bad as the NZXT, the holes are bigger

[urban trellis]

Nzxt is trash

[muted patio]

intake on the bottom, exhaust the side and rear

[verbal quarry]

the reason i got it and my thought process

was that a single fan will be intake for the radiator at the bottom

2 will be intake for the gpu

[urban trellis]

Ur gonna put a rad at the bottom

[verbal quarry]

so the radiator will be exhaust and so will the rear case fan

no on the side

[urban trellis]

Oh

I think that makes bubbles but idk

[muted patio]

nah, side mount rad should be OK tubes at the top

[urban trellis]

Oh ok

[verbal quarry]

i was gonna try to do tubes at the bottom xD

[muted patio]

Don't do that

Need air circulation

let the bottom fans pull air in

[urban trellis]

Wait vintage will I have good airflow with 6 120 mm fans 1400 rpm 3 intake and 3 exaust

[desert gulch]

depends on cfm

but most likely yes

depends on case

[urban trellis]

Bruh I just learned what CFM is today

[desert gulch]

and stuff

ye

[stoic island]

neutral is good

[desert gulch]

like with a ton of fans h510 is still crap

[urban trellis]

Icue 220t case sp 120 fans

[desert gulch]

mr1 i have near neutral

[muted patio]

Neutral or slightly positive is good

[desert gulch]

3 120 intakes

[urban trellis]

Yea

[desert gulch]

1 120 and 1 140 exasut

so pretty equal

[stoic island]

I think I have barely positive

[desert gulch]

since 140 pushes alot more than 120

[stoic island]

2x140+120 intake, 2x(crappy)140+120 exhaust

[desert gulch]

what fans you got?

arctic?

[stoic island]

Arctic P14/P12 intake

weird 140mm top exhaust

nf-p12 rear exhaust

[desert gulch]

i have a p14 aswell

[shadow wyvern]

Yeesh, i thought 25 c was good

[desert gulch]

using 3 crappy 120 fans from uphere for intake

25 is good

its like barely above room temp

by like 5-10 degrees f not c

[wanton cliff]

Is 3 intakes (1 stock case fan from the P400, 2 Noctua 12x15 PWM 55.44 CWM) and 1 outtake (Phanteks stock case fan from P400) good enough to keep away high temps?

[urban trellis]

If anyone needs a 3070 or 3090 come to canada for some reason there is stock here on acctual retail price

[shadow wyvern]

Thats pretty good for trashy built in fans

[desert gulch]

id try to get another exasut sara

i like to keep mine somewhat ballanced

[wanton cliff]

Scalpers are starting to get bored the world over, thankfully. My friend was able to get a 3070 5 minutes after a drop today on Newegg.

[shadow wyvern]

i might buy new fans for the front and back, but besides that im fine for cooling

[desert gulch]

yeah

[muted patio]

Better to match CFM than just fan size and RPM

[verbal quarry]

so the pre installed rosewill case fans. are they decent?

[desert gulch]

i think so

[wanton cliff]

Same question but P400

[urban trellis]

Im so pissed that I can't afford a 3070 cuz I'm 13😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[verbal quarry]

here imma do some research for those rosewill case fans

will be back shortly

[urban trellis]

And it's on sale in Canada for real retail price

Not ebay pricing

[wanton cliff]

Bruh moment when you reveal that’s you are a minor on the internet

[shadow wyvern]

i bought a case 1111 recommended its great besides hiding all of the cables lol

they were all the way back in the drive bay, almost had a panic attack

[verbal quarry]

ok so the rosewill rgbf-s12001 fans

[muted patio]

P500A best case

[verbal quarry]

have 1800 rpm

[verbal quarry]

and 41 cfm

[shadow wyvern]

thats nice ssd placement