building-and-recc-chat

[wanton cliff]

It really is a matter of opinion

[little osprey]

ye

also forgotten to add "imo" on it

[wanton cliff]

I’m sure someone will come along with a SCP:Unity mod that essentially makes the game CB but with Unity graphics

And rendering higher than 1080p

[little osprey]

[wanton cliff]

Idk what’s wrong with SCP but it literally cannot run in resolutions higher than 1080p or it just straight up breaks

[little osprey]

old game tho
not so great engine

[obtuse fog]

Where can I find a 3070

[muted patio]

best Buy, Newegg, Ebay. All out of stock

[eager flower]

microcenter is the easiest imo

[muted patio]

Well, Ebay is full of scalpers so

[eager flower]

but as vintage said those options are good if you arent by a microcenter

[muted patio]

Newegg every night 8 PM EST

best Buy the 19th

9AM-12PM EST

Microcenter in person

best bets

[eager flower]

Times vary

[muted patio]

Yeah, it's been 7:30 more often now

[hazy rune]

So with the latest msrp change

[eager flower]

in my experience microcenter is the best bet but thats based off of location snd other factors

[hazy rune]

Is nvidia raising their prices too?

[muted patio]

you mean the FE's?

I would imagine they'd go up too because the price increase was due to import tax increase

[next kestrel]

they're employing the advanced tactic

of just not having any in stock

[muted patio]

Well, Best Buy hoards for two weeks and does massive drops

While Newegg stocks every night

[eager flower]

and thats neither of their issues, I believe its samsungs issue more than anyones

[muted patio]

Well, die yields are low, combined with high demand, and people needing money so they scalp. Recipe for oof

[eager flower]

Yeah

is samsung the only Die manuafacturer?

[muted patio]

Yes

[hazy rune]

FE are made in Taiwan so theoretically the prices shouldn’t go up

That does mean that they will be more scarce though

[eager dawn]

Can someone help with a high core build suggestion

Threadripper or xeon

Need it for autocad photoshop etc

[eager flower]

i want to say threadripper

[eager dawn]

I have a specific Rendering pc

[eager flower]

one sec

which model of each, it all depends

[wanton cliff]

yeah which model

top of the line Threadripper is better than top of the line Xeon

[eager dawn]

Im thinking last gen threadripper and a 2000 series gpu

[wanton cliff]

but lower end Xeon may be better

[eager dawn]

Do u think that would cut it

[eager flower]

gpu is irrelevant

[eager dawn]

Fair

[eager flower]

like a 3000 series hreadripper?

go for threadripper then

[wanton cliff]

3990x is godly

it could probably be it's own GPU tbh, if made correctly

need a damn good cooler though

[eager flower]

What

[eager dawn]

Aio or air?

[wanton cliff]

AIO

[eager dawn]

Im looking at noctua’s coolers

[wanton cliff]

wait

[eager flower]

custom water cooling is the best

but air cooling

[wanton cliff]

are you looking at tr or Xeon?

[eager dawn]

Dont have the expertise for custom

Dunno yet im trying to decode

[wanton cliff]

which specific CPU would you buy of either Threadripper or Xeon, before we answer any more questions?

[eager dawn]

Trying to keep the price down cuz i gotta build 6 identical pcs for work

[eager flower]

Threadripper

[wanton cliff]

What kind of price or core counts?

[eager flower]

Noctua and Arctic make great coolers in general, I do not know cooling too well though

[wanton cliff]

stop fallen

[eager dawn]

The set out budget is $2000 per pc

[wanton cliff]

oof

not much for TR

or Xeon for that matter

[eager dawn]

Hmmm

[wanton cliff]

I suppose you could go with a 3960x and a 3070 or something

[eager flower]

1what

[wanton cliff]

i needed to ask a question

[eager dawn]

Would a 2000 series gpu cut it

[eager flower]

yes

[eager dawn]

To save a few bucks

[eager flower]

but dont buy a gpu now

or youll spend too much

[eager dawn]

Ya i’ll leave that for the end

See how much is left over

[wanton cliff]

3950x is good too but it isnt threadripper

and IDK about Zen+ threadripper, dont have enough Zen+ expertise

[eager dawn]

So basically as many cores as possible within the budget ?

I should prioritize that?

[eager flower]

You truthfully won't get a veryy good threadripper with a 2k budget

[wanton cliff]

a 3960x alone is 1.5k, and thats the lowest end of Zen2 threadrippers

[eager dawn]

Thats fine i was literally just goven this project and this chat is my starting point. I’ll do my research and get back to u

[eager flower]

you are forgetting the 2000 series threadrippers

[wanton cliff]

see if you can spring for a higher budget. 2.5-3k will give us a lot more headroom

[wanton cliff]

I am, because I dont have enough Zen+ expertise

[eager flower]

Thats zen2

[eager dawn]

How bout this, can u put together a parts list if u had unlimited funds and i can see how to make it work?

[wanton cliff]

im talking about TR 2000 series

thats Zen+

TR 3000 is Zen2

[eager flower]

Wrong lol

[wanton cliff]

unlimited?

[wanton cliff]

no

im not actually

[eager flower]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx

this is zen 2

maybe both zen+ and zen2

but this is zen2

[wanton cliff]

no it isnt lol

[eager dawn]

Ya i’ll try to cut down as much as possible from it without compromising the cpu

[wanton cliff]

unlimited budget would be a 3990x which is 4.5k alone

lol

[eager dawn]

😶

[eager flower]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x this is zen2

it says zen2

[wanton cliff]

it says second generation Ryzen

not Zen2

[eager flower]

wtf

youre right my bad,

but thiss is hella misleading

[severe axle]

yes the cpu naming is bad

[wanton cliff]

the order is Zen (1000-series)

Zen+ (2000-series)

Zen2 (3000-series and 4000-series)

Zen3 (5000-series)

AMD naming schemes are weird

[eager flower]

This is a scam

i thought 2000 was zen2

[eager dawn]

Generally with pc parts all naming is confusing as hell

[eager flower]

welp

this is why im not techie

in the future maybe lmao

[wanton cliff]

maybe lol

Nachos is playing a good game

[eager flower]

never played it, what is it?

[little osprey]

Can someone help me out?

My wifi card isn’t able to connect to the 5ghz band

[tepid wind]

good morning everyone

[muted patio]

What are you connecting to?

[little osprey]

It was fine yesterday, but for some reason it just decided to end itself today

[muted patio]

That seems like a modem issue

[eager flower]

from my experience thats usually a router issue

yeah

[muted patio]

Restart router or modem

[little osprey]

When I ran the troubleshooter it said the wifi didn’t have a valid ip address

[muted patio]

Yeah, DHCP is broken

Restart the source unless it's public WiFi

[little osprey]

But that’s weird because all my other devices can connect to the 5g

[rotund leaf]

what brand of wifi card? I've had to reinstall my drivers for mine after a windows update, was mainly on an intel branded radio

[little osprey]

I’ll try resetting once my school is over

[muted patio]

how many other devices?

[tepid wind]

is this pc good? (i ordered cpu and its almost here) so im not changing cpu to i5 10400 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jybcNP

[little osprey]

It’s an edup

My laptop and phone both work on 5g

But I’m not running it rn I’m on 2.4 for both I was just testing

[arctic jungle]

get mp34

[tepid wind]

whats that

[arctic jungle]

ssd

and 3600mhz ram is only 5$ more

[tepid wind]

no

[little osprey]

I’ll try installing newer drivers I only have the one that came in the usb with the card

[tepid wind]

my budgt is 700

[eager flower]

its a better SSD

[arctic jungle]

can you not exceed that for like- less than 2$?

[tepid wind]

ok fine

[arctic jungle]

anyways get a rx 580

8 gb version

[eager flower]

thats not in stock

[tepid wind]

it costs 10 dollars more than the western digital smh

[severe axle]

thats a sata m.2

[eager flower]

ik the card isnt too good but the card i chose is the cheapest card thatll run ol

[severe axle]

not worth it

[eager flower]

and is available

[rotund leaf]

mp34? ive never heard of that either

[tepid wind]

team mp 34

[eager flower]

teamgroup ssd

[severe axle]

either way, its better than that wd blue one

[little osprey]

Does the wd have dram?

[tepid wind]

ok its expensive dude, its 12 dollars over my budgte

[arctic jungle]

it's the best ssd price/performance

[eager flower]

it has NAND i think

[arctic jungle]

it's literally 12$

ah

[eager flower]

or a different type of flash memory

[arctic jungle]

it's worth tho

[tepid wind]

its hard for m to even earn 5 dollars so no

[arctic jungle]

mm

alright

[eager flower]

its NAND

[severe axle]

@tepid wind you do not have the price of case in budget

[tepid wind]

anything else i should change

[severe axle]

or in the list rather

[tepid wind]

ok, so ill need to change?

ahh feck

$747 smh

[severe axle]

right now is not a good time to buy parts anyway

[tepid wind]

guess im going to increase to 750$ budget and wait for ssales

[severe axle]

and new gpus might be releasing soon(3050/ti but not confirmed)

[tepid wind]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jshBxc

[muted patio]

Find out MOnday

[tepid wind]

this better?

[muted patio]

CES

[tepid wind]

what does this mean?

The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports. When the M.2 slot is populated, two SATA 6.0 Gb/s ports are disabled.

[muted patio]

That means if you put the NVME in the slot, it will disable a couple of sata ports

[tepid wind]

whats a nvme

[muted patio]

But you'll still have plenty

NVME = M.2 drive

[tepid wind]

hardrive?

[severe axle]

nvme can also be a 2.5"

basically, you want to have an nvme m.2 to boot on

[tepid wind]

is it a hardrive?

[severe axle]

for faster boot times

no

solid state drive

[tepid wind]

so i cant place a ssd in there

?

[severe axle]

you can

[tepid wind]

but will it work

[severe axle]

its just the one you have there is not very good

bad value

[tepid wind]

ok

which one should i choose thats under 98

[severe axle]

if you're fine with 500gb of faster storage, then mp34 500gb

its also cheaper

[tepid wind]

ok

[severe axle]

which allows you to get some case fans in the budget

[tepid wind]

but i might play tarkov or american truck sim

[severe axle]

later on, you can get a 2tb hdd for $50

[tepid wind]

tarkov is big game

but i cant install a hardrive

because of the mother board thing

[muted patio]

What do you mean?

It doesn't disable all of the sata ports

[severe axle]

the game is 10gb, no?

[tepid wind]

idk

idk if its 10 gb

[severe axle]

thats what this website says

[tepid wind]

heres what it says

Recommended
OS Windows 7/8/10 64-bit Windows 7/8/10 64-bit
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo, i3 2.4 GHz or AMD Athlon, Phenom II 2.6 GHz Intel Core i5, i7 3.2 GHz or AMD FX, Athlon 3.6 GHz
GPU DX11 compatible with 1 GB VRAM DX11 compatible with 2 GB or more VRAM
RAM 8 GB 12 GB or more
Disk space 8 GB or more 8 GB or more
Sound card DirectX compatible DirectX compatible
Network Permanent Internet connection Permanent Internet connection

soi guess 8 gb +

[severe axle]

your specs are fine

[muted patio]

Your motherboard has 6 sata ports

Only 2 are disabled with the M.2 drive, leaving you 4 sata ports to use other drives

[tepid wind]

this better?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sPzWy4

[tepid wind]

ah ok

[muted patio]

That power supply

Let me find you another one

[tepid wind]

dont go above 750 for my budgt

[muted patio]

S12III is pretty bad

I gotcha

[tepid wind]

tahnks dude

[muted patio]

YW

[woeful agate]

3060 ti or 3070

if performance difference is only little Ill get 3070

[muted patio]

$20 more but fully modular and a Tier B PSU instead of Tier D https://www.newegg.com/evga-550-b5-220-b5-0550-v1-550w/p/N82E16817438167

[woeful agate]

legit my last question then I can upgrade my PC in about a few weeks

[muted patio]

10% difference really

[pliant lake]

i would get 3600 CL16 for $5 more

[muted patio]

Not really worth the $100

[tepid wind]

alright did you find me nything?

[muted patio]

$20 more but fully modular and a Tier B PSU instead of Tier D https://www.newegg.com/evga-550-b5-220-b5-0550-v1-550w/p/N82E16817438167

Looking for more too

[tepid wind]

oh thx

this bettr? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z7pN2V

[next kestrel]

1650 for 400$?

[tepid wind]

not wortth it

[muted patio]

Looks good, all the cheap faster ram is out of stock

So not many options there

[tepid wind]

kmm ok

[pliant lake]

magnum, 3600 cl16

[tepid wind]

?

what is that

[muted patio]

Cheapest kit is $92 now

Over their budget

[pliant lake]

oof, the days of $75 3600 cl16 is gone

[muted patio]

Yeah

out of stock everywhere

[tepid wind]

what is the 3600 cl16

[muted patio]

Even the Gskill kit went from $85 to $92

[pliant lake]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2TFKHx/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k8g36c16u4b

[muted patio]

Ram speed and timings

[pliant lake]

huh

[tepid wind]

oj

[muted patio]

Go to B&H though

out of stock

"Expected availability: 2-4 weeks"

[tepid wind]

what are mail in rebates

[pliant lake]

so, kinda - depends if they wanna wait

[tepid wind]

???

[pliant lake]

usually a pain, but you can get money back from them, varies from who you do it

[earnest olive]

3600c16 is a complete waste of money with a gtx 1650 anyways

gain exactly 0 fps with that gpu bottleneck

[tepid wind]

so my ram no good?

[earnest olive]

probably won't even notice a difference with 2666mhz ram

get team mp34 ssd instead of team mp33

[pliant lake]

well, if it was $5 more, no just better performance for no noticeable price increase

[tepid wind]

it costs more

i dont want to

[earnest olive]

yeah but it's also not garbage

dramless ssd = garbage

[tepid wind]

i still ned to buy a headset, mouse, kerboard, webcam

[earnest olive]

"better performance" is a bold claim

[tepid wind]

ok fine

[earnest olive]

we are talking about a gtx 1650 here

[tepid wind]

im going to 800$ budget

what can i upgrade

[earnest olive]

higher ram clock doesn't do anything when you're hard gpu bottlenecked

switch to an i5-10400 and cheap b460 board

team mp34 ssd

you don't need a modular psu

[tepid wind]

i already ordered my cpu

and im not returning it

[earnest olive]

you can get a much better 550w 80+ gold psu for cheaper

well that's your loss then

could have used the money you saved on that to get a much better gpu

gtx 1070 would have been in budget with the cheaper i5

[tepid wind]

im not using i5

[earnest olive]

but if you want to be ryzen fanboy then nothing can stop you I guess

worse performance for same money

[tepid wind]

everyone tells me to use the i5 but im a ryzen fanboy so no im not using i5

[muted patio]

What better gold PSU for cheaper? You have my interest.

[earnest olive]

silverstone essential 550w 80+ gold non modular

anyways no point helping someone who refuses advice

[tepid wind]

does it cost 85?

[muted patio]

Yeah

That's $85

vs $75

It s better rated though

I'm saving that one

[earnest olive]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JHWfrH/silverstone-essential-550-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-sst-et550-g

$85 where

I've used it in 2 builds recently

[muted patio]

Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Semi-Modular-Computer-ET550-HG/dp/B078WBL987

[tepid wind]

yea im gonna use a western digital storag

[earnest olive]

that's the modular version

[muted patio]

Hmmm, two different PSU's

[tepid wind]

im sure it wont b that bad

[earnest olive]

non modular version is $71.47

[muted patio]

Ahhh, trying to stick with modular

[arctic jungle]

dude if you're struggling with money- don't do an 800$ PC... buy used parts and build something for closer to 400

[muted patio]

I'm saving both of those though, thanks!

[earnest olive]

the only difference is more cables to shove back in front of the psu

lol

[muted patio]

Yup

[tepid wind]

no im not using used parts

[earnest olive]

been doing non modular for most of my builds

[tepid wind]

i want brand new

[earnest olive]

@arctic jungle guy willfully ignores advice just don't bother

not worth your time brother

[muted patio]

Ey, let it go. They want what they want

[arctic jungle]

but if you're struggling that much to raise more than 700$- no offense but you don't really have a choice

[arctic jungle]

ur probably right

[tepid wind]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XyLjbh

[muted patio]

That's a 650 watt

The 550 is cheaper 😉

[earnest olive]

I need to find me some used gtx 1070s and 1080s

[still roost]

Magnum#3979 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tepid wind]

oh feck

[muted patio]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JHWfrH/silverstone-essential-550-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-sst-et550-g

that one

[earnest olive]

gpu shortage is hurting

[muted patio]

Hurting big now with import taxes too

My 2060 is going for 3-$400 on ebay used

And it's not even a super

[arctic jungle]

@tepid wind stooop spamming the link

[earnest olive]

yeah it's a really bad time to run pc building business lol

[tepid wind]

this better?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LMyyQD

[earnest olive]

I'm getting so many customers and it sucks trying to find gpus

[arctic jungle]

no

[earnest olive]

I'm trying to buy up multiple gpus in the $200-400 range just to have stock

[tepid wind]

why

[arctic jungle]

just use used parts

[tepid wind]

no

[small osprey]

Ask lili for her 1080s

[tepid wind]

i want brand new

[arctic jungle]

then stop asking @tepid wind

[tepid wind]

but is it good tho?

[arctic jungle]

not really

[earnest olive]

is she trying to sell her 1080s?

[tepid wind]

even if it was used parts

[arctic jungle]

@hollow grail

[earnest olive]

I live close enough to her that I could pick them up

[arctic jungle]

sell us ur GPUs

[cursive wharf]

Something something rule 9 I think

[earnest olive]

oh right

[small osprey]

I dunno if she wants to sell them

[earnest olive]

sorry I just woke up xd

[small osprey]

But

Maybe

[arctic jungle]

quick @earnest olive make a gc

[earnest olive]

scuffed mod assist

[little osprey]

could go with i5 tho
and save 40 buckos
also b450? what about b550?

[earnest olive]

he's a self proclaimed ryzen fanboy

sooo

don't try it

[arctic jungle]

bruh

dude

[little osprey]

Donk 🙄

[arctic jungle]

no

[earnest olive]

xd

[arctic jungle]

ignore

or just ban

please ban

[tepid wind]

i already ordered a cpu

[arctic jungle]

return it

[cursive wharf]

Should be going with a cheaper b450 tbf

[tepid wind]

and im not returning

[arctic jungle]

xD

weirdo

[little osprey]

@arctic jungle my bad, just scrolled up lol

U ordered a year old cpu for above original msrp

[arctic jungle]

could've at least got a good cpu for 200$

[tepid wind]

dude im a ryzen fanboy youre not gonna convince me to use a i5

[little osprey]

lol

[arctic jungle]

dude ur a weirdo im not going to help u save money

[earnest olive]

x
d

[tepid wind]

im not asking about saving money

[arctic jungle]

you are though

[cursive wharf]

Even though you'll get better gaming performance due to more GPU budget? 1650 non super is terrible

[tepid wind]

im not doing this

[little osprey]

I mean

[tepid wind]

how can i save 50 dollars off on a psu

[arctic jungle]

you won't change your build because you say you can't afford it, but you won't change your parts to fix it when we're telling you how to fix it?

[earnest olive]

enjoy having half of the gaming performance you could have had for literally the same amount of money

[cursive wharf]

Evga bstock, 500BR

[arctic jungle]

by shaving 50$ off the cpu

[little osprey]

Save 50 dollars on cpu and put it into psu

[tepid wind]

i never said i cant afford it

[arctic jungle]

you did though

multiple times

[tepid wind]

where

whereee

[arctic jungle]

i'll go quote you

[tepid wind]

go

[arctic jungle]

here's one

[cursive wharf]

What are you using this PC for?

[arctic jungle]

here's another

[tepid wind]

entry level amd gaming

i never said "i cant afford it"

[arctic jungle]

you said no even though it became 2$ over ur budegt

[arctic jungle]

here

[tepid wind]

ok fine you got me

[little osprey]

???

[arctic jungle]

?

[tepid wind]

but im not changin my cpu

[arctic jungle]

ok

then stop asking for help

[earnest olive]

"I won't buy a better ssd for $5 more"
"I won't buy a similar cpu for $55 less"

[little osprey]

[cursive wharf]

What component affects gaming perf the most in a gaming machine?

[little osprey]

he said that he already got the cpu tho

[muted patio]

They already bought the CPU, stop the dead horse beating.

[cyan stone]

Dude, you know last gen intel had higher core clocks, right? Plus better single thread...

[earnest olive]

returning exists

[tepid wind]

im not returning

[arctic jungle]

returns

sigh

sad fools, standing in our wayy

[little osprey]

9th gen?
it is quite trash imo
unless you find it for really good deal

[arctic jungle]

i love omen voice lines im sotty

[earnest olive]

that saved money on cpu could upgrade the 1650 to a 1070

[arctic jungle]

9700k is 200$

[cold sierra]

how much could i sell a 1050ti for

[earnest olive]

or even a 1070ti

[arctic jungle]

better than 3600 for 200$

[little osprey]

poggers

[arctic jungle]

at microcenter

[cyan stone]

Yeah, but there are deals to be had lol. I got an i7 35% under msrp

[earnest olive]

i5-10400 + 1070ti vs ryzen 5 3600 + 1650 would be a slaughter

[cyan stone]

Not now of course

[tepid wind]

yea, i think my pc is good, i dont even wanna ask

[cyan stone]

With stocks...

[rotund leaf]

I just got my Asus Dark Hero board ordered, kinda stuck on what memory to get to pair it w/ my Ryzen 9 5950x, in my current i7-4960x system, i've got 64GB of ram, depending on what i'm doing i can use up to 70-75% of it, the boards max is 128GB, not sure if if I should get 4*16, and be done, or get 2 *32 to preserve upgrade-ability if i ever need it in the future, any thoughts on that?

[little osprey]

Imagine i5 10400 and 5600xt

[little osprey]

nice, like i said
if you find it for a good deal, 9th gen is absolute worth

[arctic jungle]

nothing to imagine

good combo

for lightly threaded games

[little osprey]

5600xt is out of stock irl so kind of have to imagine

Out of stock here anyways

[tepid wind]

time to buy my motherboard and ram

[earnest olive]

@rotund leaf might as well go 2x32, shouldn't be a significant price difference

[little osprey]

My micro centers have gt 1030’s

[arctic jungle]

well don't do 2x32 if it's rgb

defeats the point

[rotund leaf]

I dont need RGB

[arctic jungle]

4x16 if it's rgb

ok

do 2x32

[little osprey]

but
rgb give moar perfomance

[arctic jungle]

stop saying that

that's false

[earnest olive]

what memory topology does the board have

[little osprey]

it's a joke lmao

[arctic jungle]

it's x570

[earnest olive]

4 dimms has lower performance than 2 dimms on most boards

[arctic jungle]

so 4 on the right

[muted patio]

Yup

[rotund leaf]

its a 4 slot, dual channel board, x570 chipset etc etc

[earnest olive]

that is not what memory topology means

[arctic jungle]

o?

[earnest olive]

daisy chain vs t-topology

[muted patio]

Dual rank, single rank, etc

[arctic jungle]

ooh

[earnest olive]

on daisy chain 4 dimms performs worse

and most boards are daisy chain

[muted patio]

Ryzen does weird things with 4 dimms

[earnest olive]

not sure about that specific board

trying to find out

[cursive wharf]

Man, can't get any nice timings with 4 dimms past 3200. On bdie, can only do 3200-14-14-14-14. Doing 3400-14-14-14-14 is unstable. Could do 3800-16-16-16-16 with two dimms

[earnest olive]

either way you should just do 2x32 if you think you'll ever need to upgrade to 128gb

okay confirmed that board is daisy chain

definitely do 2x32

[rotund leaf]

only thing i can find in my 2min of looking is that it has "OptiMEM III" memory something or other, that sounds like a pure marketing term tho

[tepid wind]

thank you everyone for helping me 🙂

[earnest olive]

am4 motherboard spreadsheet says it's daisy chain

[rotund leaf]

I dont see that in my search, you must have searched for something different then I did lol

[little osprey]

Thank you for taking our advice and saving tons of money 😀

[earnest olive]

just go 2x32

4x16 will be worse performance and harder to upgrade

[cyan stone]

Anyone know where I can find info on static pressure curves vs temps for rads?

[rotund leaf]

ok, thanks!! now off to the QVL to see what memory I can get

[tepid wind]

yep

[real relic]

can someone help me decide if the stuff im getting to build a pc is good? my friend helped me out with picking out parts but i just want someone else's opinion on if it's worth it. my parts include AMD RYZEN 3 3600 6-Core
ASUS RTX 2060 SUPER
16gb ddr4 Crucial Ballistix ram
MSI B550 Gaming Plus
SuperNOVA 650 G3, 80 Plus Gold 650W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode with New HDB Fan
NZXT H510i Tower Case
IPS Ultra-Thin Zero Frame Monitor

[little osprey]

you mean...2060 super?

[real relic]

oops yea

my b

[glacial umbra]

rgb boosting my ram to 99999999mhz?!?!?!

[rotund leaf]

hums, seems i'm stuck w/ CMK64GX4M2D3600C18 since I can't find the other 2x 32 kits for sale anywhere listed in the QVL for 3600 memory.

[muted patio]

QVL isn't end all be all.

Just FYI.

[rotund leaf]

I know, I just want to get parts that I know will work w/o the guess/hope factor, plus I want to be a tad lazy and not have to return anything if its not dead/bad

but what would be a good 2x32 kit to pair w/ the 5950x ignoring the QVL?

[muted patio]

wow those kits are spendy

I use this in my Ryzen X570 build with no issues. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374066?Item=N82E16820374066&Description=3600 C16&cm_re=3600_C16-_-20-374-066-_-Product&quicklink=true

[rotund leaf]

Nice, i'm using ripjaws in my current build, pretty solid memory sticks

[muted patio]

Yes

Crucial has better sub timings but....it's not available

[rotund leaf]

is the 3600/4000 more/less important then the timings? like if I can get a 3600@ 16-22-22-42 or 4000@ 18-22-22-42 ?

[rotund leaf]

Im looking at https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374047

[muted patio]

I think those are roughly equal performance wise.

[rotund leaf]

I heard something about how the new infini-fabric(something like that) in the Zen3's that you'd want to keep something at at 1:1 but I can't find back where I was reading that, is why i was looking at the 4000 version vs the 3600

[muted patio]

Well

2000 FCLK is unreliable right now

and not guaranteed for all processors

So you can buy the 4000 mhz but may only get to 3800, etc with 1900 FCLK

BIOS updates are coming that are supposed to help but still not guaranteed

[rotund leaf]

humms.. that's good to know. its easier to underclock then overclock.. I'll have to take this info and mull over it

[muted patio]

The good news is with the 4000 running at 3800

You could probably tighten the timings too

[rotund leaf]

indeed

its ~ $60 ish more right now

[muted patio]

Yep, and I'm seeing RAM prices start to go up also

[rotund leaf]

I'll think it over while I pick out cases and decide how much m.2 storage I want for my OS and current game drive

[muted patio]

Good idea

[rotund leaf]

and decide if I want to retire my last 2 spindle drives

[muted patio]

I still have 2 spindle drives

They're backup and a backup of the backup

[rotund leaf]

i built a NAS for my backups

[muted patio]

Then you don't need platters lol

[rotund leaf]

i need to replace them w/ like SSDs then (a 4TB and 5TB) since I can't get my nas's performance to be anything near useable for anything other then cold storage

[muted patio]

@hollow grail you're up!

[rotund leaf]

LOL

[muted patio]

SHe's a whiz at NAS stuff

i don't know much about it

[short ruin]

guys i need help

@stoic island

@cursive wharf

[stoic island]

Wat you need

[short ruin]

i just built a new pc

and it’s running with the led on and the fans running

it won’t show a display

[stoic island]

Did you flash bios for 5600x

[short ruin]

how do i do that

[stoic island]

What board

[short ruin]

b550-a

it has a flash button on the back i just don’t know what to do

[stoic island]

It's gonna be annoying, but unplug everything except cpu 8 pin and mobo 24pin

[short ruin]

bruh

[small osprey]

download the newest bios off asus and put into a usb drive (empty) then stick into flashback usb port

[short ruin]

even the power switch?

[small osprey]

then click button

after you unplug stuff

[short ruin]

it won’t even show a display though

[stoic island]

And then with a spare flash drive, go to MSI's website, download the bios, and rename the bios file to MSI.ROM

Also does Asus have a b550-a?

Thought it was just MSI

[short ruin]

huh

no asus has the b550-a gaming

[small osprey]

oh its asus right

[stoic island]

Do you have msi or Asus

[short ruin]

yes

asus

[small osprey]

yea rename it

[stoic island]

Not sure if Asus wants you to rename it

Need to check manual

[short ruin]

i’m confused

what do i do?

[small osprey]

read the manual

[stoic island]

Either way, unplugging everything is universal

[short ruin]

do i unplug the nvme and hdd also?

[small osprey]

first unplug everything, read the manual for instructions, then follow that stuff

[stoic island]

Don't think it's necessary to unplug storage, but your choice

Cpu should be out though

[short ruin]

what am i looking for in the manual

@stoic island

[stoic island]

Lmao I found it for you

[small osprey]

@short ruin https://edgeup.asus.com/2020/guide-update-your-asus-motherboards-bios-for-amd-ryzen-5000-series-processors/

[stoic island]

Aparently they have a bios file renamer that's a program

[small osprey]

you can use that

[stoic island]

From Asus:
https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1038568

[small osprey]

yea go to ur mobo's support page

then download the bios thing

extract it

and u should have a bios and a renamer thingy

[rotund leaf]

I just tried to post a link to the ROG asus website for him and i got told it wasn't allowed

[small osprey]

you are rookie can't post links yet

[stoic island]

Ngl kind of funny that Asus has a standalone program with the sole purpose of renaming the file

[small osprey]

seems overkill to me

[short ruin]

i have no clue what i’m doing

[rotund leaf]

have you worked in IT help desk before?

[small osprey]

go read the page

https://edgeup.asus.com/2020/guide-update-your-asus-motherboards-bios-for-amd-ryzen-5000-series-processors/

[short ruin]

i did

[stoic island]

So, do you have a spare flash drive formatted with fat32

And some other device to download the bios files onto the flash drive

[small osprey]

wait is it b550 a gaming?

if so here's the bios download

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-a-gaming-model/helpdesk_download

[frozen axle]

I thought asus boards came with a bootable 5000 series bios

wait it could be an older board nvm im dumb

[muted patio]

No

No boards come with bootable BIOS yet

[stoic island]

No brand does

[muted patio]

Boards came out before the processor did

[stoic island]

I think Dark Hero might be the only board that has guaranteed Zen 3 support

[short ruin]

i don’t know what a formatted flash drive is

[small osprey]

so plug ur flash drive into ur pc

[stoic island]

If you plug it in, and you can move files onto it, it's formatted.

[short ruin]

oh

makes sense

[small osprey]

then find it in finder or whatever

then u click on it and click "properties"

[stoic island]

Out of box new flash drives need to be formatted

[short ruin]

so i just go to a laptop and plug in said flash drive

[small osprey]

then it tells u whether its fat32 or whatever

[stoic island]

Yes, go to Asus' website, grab the bios, extract it, use the bios renamer program, move the bios onto usb drive.

[short ruin]

i go to the website and look up bios?

[small osprey]

here

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b550-a-gaming-model/helpdesk_download

right at the top

[short ruin]

but i don’t have an OS yet

[small osprey]

dont u have a laptop

[short ruin]

oh yea

i thought it mean an OS on my desktop

do i download the latest bios firmware?

[small osprey]

yep

[short ruin]

and then what do i do after i put it onto the flash drive

[stoic island]

Extract the folder

[short ruin]

how do i do that

[stoic island]

Right click

Extract all

[short ruin]

ok

and then what do i do

[stoic island]

Now open the folder

There's a bios renamer thing

[short ruin]

on my laptop?

[stoic island]

Yes

[short ruin]

ok

[stoic island]

Open the extracted folder

[short ruin]

okay

[brave hare]

Stuff from Boxing Day sales

Yumi

[short ruin]

kool

[brave hare]

Yus

Now

GPU hunt >:)

[stoic island]

And the c7p.cap or whatever file is what you want on the usb

@brave hare boxing day good sales?

[brave hare]

Hell yea

[stoic island]

Very nice

[brave hare]

Saved over 100 Canadian bux

I’m always impressed with how well Newegg packs their stuff

I mean like

So many buubles

[winged tinsel]

Did you pop the bubbles?

[brave hare]

Nah

My brothers will kill me if I dont let them

Lmao

[winged tinsel]

Lmao

[stoic island]

Bubble popping fun

[brave hare]

Yes

Indeed

[muted patio]

My cat hates those

[short ruin]

@stoic island

[stoic island]

Yes?

[short ruin]

that’s what is says

[stoic island]

Do you have the .cap file

[short ruin]

it’s loading

[stoic island]

Yea press any key

And then move the cap file onto the flash drive, that's the file you want on the flash drive

[short ruin]

i clicked a key and it left it

[stoic island]

Ya

[short ruin]

so now what do i do?

[stoic island]

Got the file on flash drive?

Over to the PC

[short ruin]

does the flash drive need to be empty?

[small osprey]

should be

nothing but the bios

[stoic island]

I'm gonna go check which ports is the flashback port in the manual

[short ruin]

is says bios on it

[brave hare]

That wasn’t me who opened

Uh oh

[stoic island]

Found it

[brave hare]

Ok don’t worry bois mobo still sealed

[short ruin]

yea it says bios on it

the port

[brave hare]

Yumi

[stoic island]

Alright

Now, make sure everything except cpu 8 pin and mobo 24pin is unplugged

The PSU is on and plugged in

[short ruin]

i unplug my keyboard and mouse too?

[stoic island]

And then plug the usb drive to the right port, press it down for 3 seconds until it flashes 3 times

Probably should

[short ruin]

press what down

the flashback?

button

[stoic island]

Yes

[short ruin]

does the pc need to be on?

?

@stoic island

[stoic island]

What

[small osprey]

I think so yea

[stoic island]

Everything should be out of the PC

The PSU should be on

Like cpu should be out

Gpu should be out

[short ruin]

oh i have to take out the cpu?

[small osprey]

Yea

[short ruin]

damn

that’s annoying

[small osprey]

Mm

[short ruin]

i have to unplug the fans too right

[small osprey]

Everything

Except for 8 pin and 24 pin

[stoic island]

Mhm

Naed had a guy whose bios wouldn't flashback until they unplugged front panel connectors

[small osprey]

Strange

[stoic island]

So the less possible failures, the better

[small osprey]

Unplug everything to be safe

[short ruin]

even the front panel connectors right

[small osprey]

Yep

Everything

[stoic island]

Except cpu 8 pin power and mobo 24pin power

[short ruin]

look at that beautiful thermal coverage

[stoic island]

I reply with my bad coverage

And beautiful Noctua mounting brackets

[short ruin]

lol

[gentle echo]

very nice

is it a good investment to buy those can blocks

[short ruin]

umm

why won’t my cpu come out

[verbal quarry]

You didnt ask it nicely

But honestly idk

[short ruin]

i didn’t pull the bar up all the way

i was about to cry

[verbal quarry]

Oh lol

[short ruin]

do i have to pull out the m.2?

@stoic island

@stoic island

@small osprey

@small osprey

[little osprey]

no need to pings multiple times

those people have something better to do though.

[verbal quarry]

Assuming so considering they said unplug everything

[small osprey]

Yes you should

[short ruin]

okay

why does my cpu power need to be plugged in when my cpu isn’t in

@small osprey

[muted patio]

To power parts of the board the BIOS needs so you can update it

[short ruin]

okay

so everything is out, now what do i do

[verbal quarry]

Vintage did you get a promotion?

[little osprey]

he did

[muted patio]

I did yes, as did multiple others

New techies too

[verbal quarry]

Oh nice congrats man

[small osprey]

Plug the usb drive into usb slot with bios written on

[muted patio]

and Mod Assists

[short ruin]

got it

[muted patio]

TY

[small osprey]

Then hold flashback button for 3 secs until light flashes 3 times

Then wait

[short ruin]

the power supply needs to be on right

[small osprey]

Yea

[short ruin]

the flash drive is blinking now

[small osprey]

Ok

Now wait

[short ruin]

how would i do it if i didn’t have a flash button

[small osprey]

You would need a 3000 series cpu

To flash the bios

[short ruin]

oh

dang

lol

[verbal quarry]

Uh oh

[short ruin]

what’s uh oh

[muted patio]

They have Flashback

It's all good

[small osprey]

Flashback ablitity quite useful

[verbal quarry]

Oh nvm then

Disregard

[short ruin]

how long do i have to wait

[small osprey]

That i dont know

[short ruin]

until it stops blinking?

[small osprey]

Probably yea

You should ask mr1111

When he comes back onlien

[short ruin]

@stoic island

[muted patio]

there should be a motherboard light on that's either flashing or solid color, yeah?

[short ruin]

wow he’s played 13 hours of black desert

straight

yes @muted patio

[muted patio]

Wait for that light to go out

[small osprey]

Probably wait till that turns off

^

Then plug everything back in

[short ruin]

ok

[small osprey]

And hopefully it works

[short ruin]

and try to turn it on

[muted patio]

TURN IT OFF FIRST lol

before you plug things in

[short ruin]

yea ik

[muted patio]

Well, ya never know

It's happened before XD

Sparks were made

[short ruin]

the pc isn’t on

just the power supply

[muted patio]

mmmhmm

[stoic island]

@short ruin when light is off

it's done

[short ruin]

ok

do you know how long it usually takes?

[stoic island]

says 8 minutes on Asus' website

[short ruin]

ok

[wet reef]

Ok guys I need help, I’m doing my first ever solo build and have the lian li razer 011 dynamic and the only system header cable I have is the power sw cable, I don’t know where the other cables are or if they are needed please advice , @ me if you have an answer , Thankyou !

[muted patio]

Lemme look at that case

Should have power switch and a reset switch too

Oh that's nice, manual link broken lol

[wet reef]

Is a power sw all I need tho, if it doesn’t have a reset switch will it still work?

[muted patio]

It'll work yeah

[wet reef]

Ok Thankyou

[muted patio]

You'll just have to hold down the power switch to reset it

[wet reef]

Ok great and you just use 2 pins of the 9 pin system header and that’s fine?

[muted patio]

Yes

Yeah I can't get a manual for it lol. Their site is broken

To double check

[wet reef]

Thankyou!

[short ruin]

ok the light is off, now what do i do @stoic island

[stoic island]

should be done

try booting again

[short ruin]

do i just pull out the flash drive

and plug everything back in

[stoic island]

ye

[short ruin]

okay thanks

it’s on again but still showing no display

@small osprey

@stoic island

[eager forum]

If you were going to build a decent gaming computer with a 5900x as a starting point. What gpu and mobo would you go with?

[short ruin]

pp

[muted patio]

any motherboard lights on?

Are you plugged into the graphics card and not the motherboard?

[short ruin]

the boot and vga lights are on

[muted patio]

Ah

[stoic island]

check power cables on the gpu

[muted patio]

is the graphics card installed and powered?

[short ruin]

yes and yes

what does the boot light mean

[wanton cliff]

so uh

my windows isnt activated for some reason

[stoic island]

storage

[wanton cliff]

how did this happen

[drifting cliff]

Hi, there. Not sure if I'm in the right place at all, just found this forum on NewEgg's website. I work at a Real Estate brokerage and Ive been tasked with building/finding a basic PC to do steady administrative work and be great for 3-4 years of work. Would a build with a current gen i5, 8gb ddr4, and a 256 or 500 HDD or SSD suffice? Could someone point me in the right direction?

[wanton cliff]

yes

For light administrative work you dont need much more than that

go for an SSD though, as those load times get annoying no matter what you are doing

[short ruin]

what does the boot light mean? and what does vga mean @stoic island

[stoic island]

Just get dual channel ram, 2x4gb or 2x8gb

@short ruin vga is gpu

[short ruin]

oh

does that mean my gpu is dead?

[stoic island]

it stays on boot light for boot

no, check power cables and all

[drifting cliff]

Thank you, @wanton cliff Confirms I'm on the right path. Cheers!

[short ruin]

they’re all plugged in

[small osprey]

Are the gpu fans spinning

Are there lights on the gpu

[little osprey]

@short ruin no screen at all ?

[short ruin]

nope

[muted patio]

Pictures of GPU with power cables?

[short ruin]

oh wait

one of my gpu cables wasn’t fully connected to the power supply

[muted patio]

There ya go

[little osprey]

lol

[gaunt tundra]

wondering if i can get some help with the pc i'm trying to put together? got a asus rog crosshair viii hero & ryzen 9 3900x. i put it mostly together outside the case and the machine would boot but i'd get a "usb over current detected" when the only things plugged in was a mouse & keyboard ( that i've used fine on other machines ). after putting into the case it doesn't even post, getting q-codes d6 d7 and 55

[little osprey]

what does this mean

[arctic jungle]

proof modular psus are bad

jkjk

[wanton cliff]

Modular PSUs are actually really useful

Just had to use one for something and oh boy the lack of cable clutter was amazing

Is it possible to use a separate PSU for every part in your PC?

[muted patio]

Yes with a few tricks

[little osprey]

two PSUs in one system?

[muted patio]

Yep

[wanton cliff]

Yes

[muted patio]

Just gotta manually turn the other one on with a jumper

Overclockers do it all the time

[wanton cliff]

Lit

2 1600w Supernovas for your 3990x and dual 3090s, respectively

Oh that reminds me

My friend @hollow basin is somehow running his system (3600x, 2080) on a ThermalTake 500w white certified PSU

[muted patio]

Not all thermaltakes are bad

[severe axle]

sounds right

[hollow basin]

I’m cracked.

[muted patio]

I've had one for 5 years now but it's an FSP unit

[wanton cliff]

Yeah but it’s white certified

[hollow basin]

Smart 500w white

[muted patio]

means nothing really.

[wanton cliff]

Doesn’t that mean it only carries about 460w from the wall or whatever

[muted patio]

No

It doesn't affect the rating

Just how efficient it is at turning AC into DC

[wanton cliff]

And Nevermind that, the 2080 minimum recommended specs is a 650w

[muted patio]

Yup

A bit infalted

*inflated

[wanton cliff]

Is it really?

[hollow basin]

Boys. OCd to 2.15 ghz

[muted patio]

Yes

[hollow basin]

Big W

[wanton cliff]

Also last night we were talking about how Seasonic makes really really good or really really bad PSUs, right?

[muted patio]

ye

S12IIi is particularly garbage

[wanton cliff]

I was told that Seasonic overbuilds and a 650w unit can effectively give you about 700w of performance

How true is this?

[muted patio]

model dependent, not BRAND dependent

[wanton cliff]

.

[muted patio]

Like, your Focus Gold unit?

Sure

[wanton cliff]

Sure

[muted patio]

The S12III unit?

Oh heck no

[wanton cliff]

Damn really?

[muted patio]

Focus golds are good

[wanton cliff]

I figured that for a myth or something

Nice

[muted patio]

I mean, I wouldn't push it though

[wanton cliff]

Think I’d be safe with a 3080?

[blazing aurora]

a 2080ti for $330 is good right? assuming it's real

[muted patio]

Heat is bad for the caps inside

[wanton cliff]

Heck yes

[muted patio]

Yeah, $330 for that is pretty good

[blazing aurora]

nice

[stoic island]

also, @wanton cliff that's just called overload, all good PSUs can do that

[wanton cliff]

Assuming it’s real, which is probs is considering the existence of the 3070

Never heard of that before

Ok so the focus gold units are good

Just how good though?

[stoic island]

gm and gx, new ones, yea

old ones had issues with I think tripping ocp on high transient response gpus

[wanton cliff]

Makes sense

Mine was only purchased about a year ago

[blazing aurora]

will my 550W psu be good enough for the 10400 and 2080ti

[wanton cliff]

Oh btw Alpha

If you are still here

Bring your 2080 over next week

[stoic island]

well

2080ti reaches 350w peak

[blazing aurora]

oo

might be a bit tight

[wanton cliff]

Would my 650w Focus Plus Gold be able to withstand a 3080 and 3800x?

[muted patio]

Probably

[stoic island]

10400 more like 70w

[severe axle]

@blazing aurora I think so, 10600k and 2080ti was max 440w~ power draw in blender

[wanton cliff]

Ah

I’m confusing you two

Both have Yoshi as your PFP

I thought you were both the same person lol

[severe axle]

same name color too

[wanton cliff]

Yeah lol

Gets confusing

What’s 3080 peak draw?

[muted patio]

transients can hit 450W briefly