building-and-recc-chat

[hollow grail]

nyoom

[little osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/drinks-margarita-liquid-nitrogen-dry-ice-gif-3384966

It go brrrt

[hollow grail]

fr tho amd deserves so much flak for fx

literal scam

[little osprey]

[obsidian wigeon]

least they got sued for it

that's a testament to how bs it was

[obsidian wigeon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wNdPz7

swapped psu to evga br

unless you want modular, i can swap it to b5

[little osprey]

Hello
My budget is between 1000-2000 USD.
I need Bluetooth support for connecting multiple devices such as my Sony headphones, gigabit internet connectivity, multiple 3.0 USB ports for plugging in my monitors, vr, keyboard, mouse, etc all at the same time. I also prefer Intel, Nvidia, and not water cooling due to leak risks although am open to other recommendations.
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/YkzNnQ
So far I found this build

I am looking to replace that extra storage with the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (will also have to replace the motherboard because of that).
If you have any other build recommendations feel free to send them as well.

I need help building a pc in the price range of 2000 for mostly gaming and streaming

[little osprey]

hey guys i need advice

can you tell me if this is a good pc for flight simulator

https://se.pcpartpicker.com/list/CXLX2V

[dull ferry]

maybe get a wd blue instead of a seagate

but yeah it'll run the game fine

also literally says in there lmao

but the type c port on the case wont be usable

[karmic bobcat]

No

[rancid pasture]

do fans indicate arrows where the intake is coming from?

[jagged ember]

Uh, not that I know of

[rancid pasture]

ahh

[karmic bobcat]

Well nvm

[jagged ember]

The side with the fan blades do intake

The other side where it attaches is blowing out

If anything, you could just feel it to make sure lol

[rancid pasture]

ohhhh your right, that makes alot of sense

also, in any case, do they allow any fan to be put ontop too?

[jagged ember]

Depends on the holes they made

[rancid pasture]

what does a 3 pin mean

[jagged ember]

Uhh

That it's not pwm, I think

I don't worry about that much, though

[rancid pasture]

ahh i see

[jagged ember]

3 or 4 pin it'll still turn the fan

[stoic island]

3pin has dc control

[jagged ember]

Ah

Thanks, mr

[rancid pasture]

is the installation for the fans being put ontop straight forward?

this is my first build

[jagged ember]

Yep

Just line up the holes

And screw them in by corners

Opposite corners

A rule that applies to basically everything too

[rancid pasture]

yeah, that makes alot of sense

so the case i have comes in stock with 2 fans

i was thinking of buying more, iis the move to buy 1 for the back and 2 ontop if need be?

[jagged ember]

I'd not do that first, personally

Test one intake and one exhaust first

[rancid pasture]

ohhh

[jagged ember]

Check temps to see if they're garbo before buying more

[rancid pasture]

i didnt know i could switch them around

[jagged ember]

Although, more fans don't hurt!

It's your call

[rancid pasture]

when i get the case, will it be already screwed in place?

[jagged ember]

Yes, I'd expect them to be

[rancid pasture]

ahhh

i see

[obsidian wigeon]

Included fans in cases should be installed, just waiting for you to plug em in

[jagged ember]

Have fun with your build!

[rancid pasture]

that clears up so much of my questions, thanks man!!

[jagged ember]

I think that's the most important bit

[obsidian wigeon]

Yah

[jagged ember]

Come along and ask a techie if you have any problems lol

[rancid pasture]

if anything ill slap some led strips instead of buying rgb cuz moneys tight hahaha

[jagged ember]

Yess

[rancid pasture]

@jagged ember if my router is downstairs, and my mobo doesnt support wifi, whats the best alternative route?

Wifi Card, or an Extender?

[jagged ember]

Run a cable

I'd go with a wifi card

[rancid pasture]

does it matter what brand i go for?

[jagged ember]

It's cheaper, but make sure your mobo has a pcie 1x slot at least

Uhh

Not really, I guess

Just check it's capabilities

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[jagged ember]

I got a wifi card with an ax200 in it because I like higher speeds and WIFI6 for example

And bluetooth

[torn token]

Can I input an ssd in my pc? Like after I buy it

[stoic island]

What do you mean by input?

[torn token]

Well I heard u can upgrade a pc

So I was saying could I buy the ssd piece and upgrade my pc?

[stoic island]

Depends on the PC for what else it supports

If it only comes with a single m.2 slot and a m.2 ssd already installed, can't add another, yaknow.

[gleaming quartz]

if it has sata ports, you can connect other sdds

like this one for examplehttps://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-raw-series-1tb/p/N82E16820226908?item=N82E16820226908&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc--pla--solid+state+disk-_-N82E16820226908&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIl57UqJKo7QIVDL3ICh2duAXhEAQYASABEgJlm_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

but im assuming you have an m.2 ssd so it wouldnt work

[torn token]

Um I can show u guys. Here

[stoic island]

@gleaming quartz dramless, I wouldn't get that

[torn token]

Idk, someone told me NVMe was better then dsd

[stoic island]

A520-a pro eh

[torn token]

Ssd*

[stoic island]

@torn token NVMe is a type of SSD

[languid nimbus]

109 for windows 10 too

[torn token]

Yeh

[stoic island]

It's not "faster than" SSD

Because it IS SSD

[torn token]

Lol it's..it's alot for windows 10

Oh

[stoic island]

Windows 10 should be 5$

[gleaming quartz]

if only

[languid nimbus]

You can get a key off of eBay or g2a or whatever for $1-20

[torn token]

So...why do they say NVMe?? When it's just an ssd

[stoic island]

Because it's a type of SSD

NVMe and SATA

NVMe is faster than SATA

[weak field]

[torn token]

Oh, well do most PC's come is NVMe?

[stoic island]

No

[weak field]

depends

if its a good company

maybe

[stoic island]

Prebuilts no

[torn token]

Well. If NVMe is good then I'm good lol. I didn't know it was ssd

[stoic island]

SSD is a solid state drive

NVMe drives are still SSDs

[torn token]

Thanks lol :3 ik u went "Eh" with the motherboard but is it upgradeable? Does it have slots?

[stoic island]

A single m.2 slot, that'll be taken up, and 4 SATA ports

[hoary lichen]

@stoic island is rn the best time to buy a gpu or the worst time to buy a gpu

[stoic island]

@hoary lichen it is what it is

Always wait when you can wait

@torn token so basically there will be 3 sata ports for upgradability

For either new HDDs or new 2.5in SSDs

[hoary lichen]

Newegg runs out of 5600xt me: finds them on ebay later for 50 bucks more

[torn token]

So I can only put in sata ssds for upgrades lol. Got the specific motherboard?

[stoic island]

Yes

It says A520-a pro

[torn token]

Thanks lol :3

[honest charm]

Does anyone know the name of this piece? I cannot find it anywhere. It gives power to my RGB board on my pc. Mainly for the RGB of the fans.

[stoic island]

Molex on the bottom

top bit is either 4pin pwm or 4pin rgb

[honest charm]

I can’t find the damn thing anywhere

[tall wasp]

which is better for 64gb ram a (4x16) or (2x32)?

[severe axle]

@sleek sundial top fans are upside down

[weak field]

quad channel support>< dual channel support

[severe axle]

and the pump should not be higher up than radiator

[tall wasp]

its for MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE, sorry for caps it was a copy-paste

[stoic island]

gawd damn

@tall wasp what do you do?

[tall wasp]

edit vids for my dad and and some hard gaming

[weak field]

64 tho

[cold jewel]

Quite an overkill motherboard ahaha

Nice though

[weak field]

would be fine with 32

but its up to you

got the money sure but imo ion think you need 64

[cold jewel]

With editing 64 wouldn't really be needed tbh. You'd be fine with 32GB

[tall wasp]

trying to make it last for a very long time

[stoic island]

yea

[cold jewel]

I mean you can go with 64GB but I think 32GB will be fine for quite a while.

[stoic island]

I'd say 4x16 3600mhz cl16

[cold jewel]

If you got no budget go for 64GB

[stoic island]

because it's hard to get 2x32 3600c16, it's mostly 2x32 3600c18

[cold jewel]

Yup

[tall wasp]

cpu can only handle 3200 tho

[cold jewel]

What CPU?

[tall wasp]

that new Ryzen 9 5000 right?

[fleet pagoda]

My case and cpu came

[cold jewel]

You can enable DOCP and it allows it to run at 3600.

[stoic island]

hm?

[tall wasp]

ohhh

[stoic island]

Any Zen 3 CPU will do fine with 3600mhz

[cold jewel]

^

You just need to enable DOCP

Or XMP if you have Intel

[fleet pagoda]

I need my mf uh mobo ram and gpu

[cold jewel]

AMD actually recommends using stuff like 3600 MHz with 16 CAS Latency. It gets quite a bit more performance overall.

[fleet pagoda]

I think thats what i got

[tall wasp]

daum, i almost bottlenecked myself

[fleet pagoda]

Since my gpu hansnt even come out yet should i use the one i have in my current build and wait

[cold jewel]

Yeah, don't go for 3200 ahah

[fleet pagoda]

I got 3600 for sure

[cold jewel]

With a system with a $700 motherboard and probably like $600 CPU you won't want to cheap out on memory

[fleet pagoda]

So what should i di

Do

[cold jewel]

You can use the old GPU if you want

[tall wasp]

the mobo can handle it right?

[fleet pagoda]

Will it be bad bc its an r9 380

[tall wasp]

it seems a bit old

[fleet pagoda]

Cpu is a 3700x

[cold jewel]

3600 MHz? @tall wasp

[tall wasp]

yeah

let me check real qick

[cold jewel]

3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors support DDR4 4800/ 4733/ 4600/ 4533/ 4400/ 4266/ 4133/ 4000/ 3866/ 3733/ 3600/ 3466/ 3200/ 3066/ 3000/ 2933/ 2800/ 2667 MHz by A-XMP OC MODE, and 3200/ 3066/ 3000/ 2933/ 2800/ 2667/ 2400/ 2133/ 1866 MHz by JEDEC

[stoic island]

gets wackier especially with 4x16gb but yea

[tall wasp]

yeah just read it again

[stoic island]

4 dual rank sticks

[fleet pagoda]

If i have 2 sticks of ram do i space them out for dual channel?

[cold jewel]

I mean you won't see the performance jump in terms of graphics. You will see the overall performance change though due to the CPU. Up to you if you want to wait or not.

[cold jewel]

Yes, your motherboard will have a manual.

[tall wasp]

ill prob just get 2x16 for now and get the other two later if nessecery

[cold jewel]

It shows you what slots to put them in depending if you have 4 or 2 sticks.

[stoic island]

@fleet pagoda slots 2&4 or 1&3

[fleet pagoda]

Ok i probably will because i can just switch it out when i get the new one yeah

[cold jewel]

Yup

[fleet pagoda]

Alr alr ty

And ty also @cold jewel

[cold jewel]

No problem 😄

[tall wasp]

jeez i need to be here more often, im learning so much from here

[hoary lichen]

@stoic island i might get a 1070 instead of a 5600xt because im not that into pc gaming yet and the prices are outrageous rn

[stoic island]

your choice ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary lichen]

Is the 1070 still good?

[tall wasp]

if you are not gonna be gaming then yeah... take this with a bag of salt cuz im still a hatchling when it comes to pc parts.

[hasty gyro]

guys which is better: the rx570 or 10900k

[severe axle]

what

how do you compare a cpu to a gpu

[hasty gyro]

lmfao

do it

now

rx570 vs 1660

[hardy cliff]

does anyone know if i can mix ram if its the same specs?

[livid flame]

1660 wins

@hardy cliff if its the same ddr then yes

[hardy cliff]

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 CL16 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit CMK16GX4M2D3200 - Black

Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 CL16 Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit CMW16GX4M2E3200C16 - Black
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 CL16 Dual Channel

[livid flame]

if not then no

yes

they work

[tall wasp]

highly recomend to not mix.

[livid flame]

why

[severe axle]

unless you know what you are doing

[hardy cliff]

i have the rgb corsair vengeance but the vengeance lpx is a better deal rn

i wanted to do 2 sticks of both respectively

[livid flame]

nothing bad will happen if u mix them

they are the same ddr so it does not matter

[hardy cliff]

thank you guys 🙂 im glad to know if theyre within the same specs it will run!

[severe axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh2Q61LWVA8 for example this person is doing a 4x8 with 2 different kits at 2 different speeds and cas latency

[stoic island]

hm?

[severe axle]

3600 cl17 from kingston and a 3733 cl18 from teamgroup

(timestamp at 1:02)

[little osprey]

So I have a Asus rog strix b450-f, 32gb of ram, 3 or 4 case fans, 2 keyboards, 3 mice, and a 2tb sshd laying around as spare parts. Should I do a cheap budget build and sell or just sell the parts separately?

[stoic island]

I'm thinking keep it until Asus announces which of their boards will get Zen 3

[livid flame]

separatley i think is beter

yeah

true

[stoic island]

Because like a 5600x build with that would be pretty nice

[livid flame]

if your board is one it will go for more

true

[little osprey]

@stoic island I have a x570 msi mpg rn

[tall wasp]

my info was based on a vid that i watched, but i cant send cuz yt is banned here? at least for me

[stoic island]

gotta level up

[tall wasp]

f

[stoic island]

bot doing anti-spam

[little osprey]

I was thinking of getting a ryzen 5 3600 and a radeon 570 with a small cheap case

And just selling like that

Maybe a 500w smart psu too

[tall wasp]

hey i was looking for (2x16) and the CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16) looks good. but the priceeeee

[little osprey]

@tall wasp try Kingston

Or teamforce

[tall wasp]

aight, ley me check

[little osprey]

If you're looking for rgb ones, OLOy is decent, CL is a bit low compared to corsair, but I used to run a pair. They're pretty amazing for the price

[stoic island]

@tall wasp Try Crucial Ballistix

Micron rev e do be good

[little osprey]

Also, I wish the closest microcenter wasn't 3 hours away

[stoic island]

me too

[little osprey]

I saw they just got some radeon 6800XTs yesterday

[tall wasp]

those are 36mhz cas16 right?

[fossil halo]

well its 6 for me so ig ur lucky

[stoic island]

I'll link em

gimme a sec

[little osprey]

@fossil halo I'm in Texas tho

[stoic island]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1548846-REG/crucial_bl2k16g36c16u4b_ballistix_32gb_16x2_3600_mhz.html

[livid flame]

i need help im getting a gpu and i wanna see what power connecters i have for it but i cant get my side panel off one of the turn off pins are stuck how can i get it loose?

[fossil halo]

idk j get a gt 710 or smth

takes all the power from pcie slot

no separate power connectors needed

passive cooling too

[little osprey]

Most need the 8 pin power

Mine takes a 8 and a 6

[livid flame]

ok but do u know how i can get the pin loose

[little osprey]

The newer higher end ones take 2 or 3 8 pins I believe

[fossil halo]

wow wait hold up

btw

[little osprey]

@livid flame idk

Pliers I guess

[livid flame]

ok ty

[fossil halo]

will my pc bottleneck if i have a chonky cpu but a sht gpu

[little osprey]

Probably

[tall wasp]

@stoic island

[stoic island]

:)

[little osprey]

Most likely

[fossil halo]

bc instead of @fossil halo im gonna be r7 3700x/gt 710/16gb very soon

[little osprey]

Yeah.....I'd get better graphics

Before the cpu

[fossil halo]

no cuz like the gpu market rn is so dumb

[little osprey]

Not really

[fossil halo]

all the good midrange gpus are out of stock

[little osprey]

As long as you don't get newer gen your fine

[fossil halo]

not really

all the prices are mad inflated

[little osprey]

What gpu do you want?

[hollow grail]

ive had a build like that before lol

[fossil halo]

no and like i wanted just to wait for the 3060 to come out

[hollow grail]

2700x/gt710/64gb

[fossil halo]

but i need a pc right now

[little osprey]

My gpu was mid 400

[fossil halo]

bc my laptop is dead

[little osprey]

400USD

[fossil halo]

yea

i mean u see

my friend got a 5600xt for 289

which is what its worth

and it looked really nice too

it was the msi gaming x one

[hollow grail]

drivers lul

[fossil halo]

but now even like a yucky one

[little osprey]

Drivers?@hollow grail

[fossil halo]

costs above 300

ay but lili did u have any problems

with the build btw

[hollow grail]

what one

[fossil halo]

like chonky cpu and bad gpu

[hollow grail]

the 2700x?

[fossil halo]

yea

[hollow grail]

i put a 1080 in there and gave it to my mom

[fossil halo]

no as in like

[little osprey]

Tbh, I'm never going to use nvidia GPUs

[hollow grail]

but it was fine for what i used it for

[fossil halo]

which was?

[little osprey]

Too expensive

[hollow grail]

lmao amd gets bodied by nvidia 100% of the time

[fossil halo]

tru

[hollow grail]

and i used it as a vm host

[fossil halo]

but like amd gives mediocre to high performance for low price

[little osprey]

Amd is more worth the price in my opinion

[fossil halo]

and my 60hz monitor doesnt see the difference between a 5600xt and a 3090

[hollow grail]

as long as ur ok with trash tier drivers yeah

[fossil halo]

[little osprey]

Especially since the 6000 series has ray tracing now too

@hollow grail I don't have trash drivers

[hollow grail]

amd is usable but 6000 series gets destroyed by 3000

[fossil halo]

ay but lili actually tho

[little osprey]

I've had only one issue with drivers and that's rn

[fossil halo]

like does the build work

[little osprey]

But that's mostly MY fault

[fossil halo]

will it bottleneck or whatever that means idk

[hollow grail]

yeah it worked fine

[fossil halo]

i think thats when u have a bad cpu and a really good gpu right

[hollow grail]

the 2700x/gt 710

[fossil halo]

yea

[hollow grail]

it was just used for proxmox

[fossil halo]

tf is proxmox

[hollow grail]

and minor 2d acceleration

[fossil halo]

oh

[hollow grail]

switched to hyper v now though

[fossil halo]

is that supposed to be cpu intensive?

[hollow grail]

thinking of going back to esxi

i rly like esxi

[fossil halo]

cuz i really j want something to run my monitor until i can get a 3060

[little osprey]

Get a 570 then

They're like $150

[fossil halo]

too expanzive

[hollow grail]

can confirm

570 is fine

[little osprey]

$150 is too expensive?

[fossil halo]

my dad said max 50$ for a cheap display card

[livid flame]

@little osprey pliers very smart ty man

[little osprey]

@livid flame 👍

[still roost]

Salvecai[R5 3600,XFXRAVII5700xt]#2050 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[fossil halo]

bc im gonna end up paying like hella money for a 3060 later

[little osprey]

@fossil halo $50 ain't getting you nothing

[fossil halo]

lmao it got me a gt 710

[hollow grail]

anything after polaris is godawful amd wise tho

[fossil halo]

its on thw ay

way

[hollow grail]

u might get a used 750ti

if u look

[fossil halo]

my parents dont want me buying used rn

bc of

spooky virus

[little osprey]

Go on mercari and such, it'll probably be there for cheap

[hollow grail]

or 950

[little osprey]

I got a $100 cpu fan for $25

[fossil halo]

im gonna use the included cpu fan

wraith prism

[little osprey]

That's what I bought

The wraith prism rgb

[fossil halo]

im getting it with my cpu

[little osprey]

It's $100 stock, got it for $25 off mercari

Well the r5s don't come with it so....

[tall wasp]

@stoic island wait what was the diff between the two. there are both the specs right? wondering why it was so much the the other. vengence vs ballistics

[fossil halo]

i mean idk what its worth i got it with a r7 3700x for 289

so im happy

[hollow grail]

lmao imagine paying 100 for wraith prism

[fossil halo]

ikr

[stoic island]

@tall wasp dram die

[little osprey]

Ikr

[hollow grail]

100% not worth

[little osprey]

Nope

$25 tho....

[hollow grail]

i sell them for like $15

[stoic island]

Ballistix has quite a bit better Micron E die

[little osprey]

Much better

[fossil halo]

LOL

[hollow grail]

imo 25 was a scam too

[stoic island]

with Corsair you get bargain bin memory >:P

[little osprey]

Not really

25 ain't much difference

[hollow grail]

i wouldnt have gotten it at that price is all

[tall wasp]

oh, i never thought about that

[little osprey]

Well I couldn't find cheaper

[tall wasp]

i need to do more research

[hollow grail]

always better off getting nand from the oem

[little osprey]

@hollow grail you should see what kind of hard drives I'm running tho lol

[earnest olive]

@fossil halo i'm pretty sure a gt 710 is worse than modern intel integrated graphics

[hollow grail]

lmao do tell

@earnest olive it 100% is

by a decent amount too

[earnest olive]

L O L

[hollow grail]

lmaoooo yep

[little osprey]

250gb/1tb samsung 970 evo plus nvme, 1tb 860 evo, 2tb 870 QVO, 2tb seagate external, 2tb segate sshd

[earnest olive]

why spend $50 on a downgrade

[hollow grail]

no igpu

[earnest olive]

ah F series?

[hollow grail]

ewwwww seagate

theyre getting ryzen iirc

[little osprey]

Meh, it was what I could afford at the time

[hollow grail]

i use hgst only

[earnest olive]

ah i was going off of their name

[little osprey]

I replaced them with the Evo and QVO

[hollow grail]

i forgot what drives i use uhhhhhh

[earnest olive]

i was just using a 1tb hp ex920 ssd

[little osprey]

I'm now running the seagates externally

[earnest olive]

then my friend gave me a 6tb wd red hdd

[little osprey]

I have roughly 8tb of storage

[hollow grail]

my main pc has a 970 pro 1tb, 2x 840 evo 1tb, and a 4tb wd blue

and for my homelab i have uhhhhh

[earnest olive]

i don't even know what to do with all of my storage

[hollow grail]

20x 3tb HGST enterprise sas drives, 18x 4tb HGST SAS drives, 4x 2tb Seagate FireCuda NVME ssds, and 4x 10tb WD reds

[little osprey]

I got the EVO/QVO on Black friday

[earnest olive]

damn you can store a lot of cat pictures on that

[hollow grail]

yep

[little osprey]

The last ones my best buy had for the next 4 days

[hollow grail]

niiiice

samsung makes some good drives

[fossil halo]

oh bruh

[hollow grail]

theyre def my #2 pick for nvme

[fossil halo]

it is worse than intel graphics

well whatever

[hollow grail]

yeah

by a lot

[fossil halo]

the only gaming im gonna do is geforce now

so i dont thin it matters right

[hollow grail]

itll struggle on that

[fossil halo]

bruh LOL

well then that will be an f

[little osprey]

Tbh, save up, get your 3000 series gpu, then upgrade your cpu

Then your RAM

[fossil halo]

no u see its complicated

[hollow grail]

oh its complicated

get ready for it

[fossil halo]

basically

my dads all like

oh u want to get a pc

ill pay for exverything excapt the gpu

[little osprey]

I have a fix to that

[fossil halo]

that u have to
E A R N

[little osprey]

Get a job

[fossil halo]

IM 14

[little osprey]

Oof

[hollow grail]

tbh 99% of my computing is done on my chromebook nowadays

barely play games anymore

[earnest olive]

my parents made me work for everything i wanted when i was 13, and here you are complaining about your dad paying several hundred dollars towards your own gaming rig?

[little osprey]

^tbh

[hollow grail]

yeah lmao

[earnest olive]

i got school laptops only until i was old enough to work for them

[hollow grail]

spoiled brat

[earnest olive]

then i had to work for my school laptops too

[hollow grail]

preach

[little osprey]

I had to sneak my computer parts thru my bedroom window to build my desktop

[hollow grail]

lol

[earnest olive]

my parents would punish me by confiscating stuff that i paid for in full

[hollow grail]

wow

h8 them

[earnest olive]

got my first job at 14

[little osprey]

My parents don't cause I'm paying 90% of the bills rn including electricity

[hollow grail]

lmao chad

[earnest olive]

and you are here complaining your dad is only fronting $400 or $500

:/

[hollow grail]

yeah when i had a job i worked for everything i own

[little osprey]

They threaten to take something, I threaten to shutoff electric

[hollow grail]

lmao chadd

[earnest olive]

only thing my dad gave me was beatings

[little osprey]

I also have the breaker box in my room

What is going on

So.....

[hollow grail]

omg im so sorry bleach

[earnest olive]

@little osprey more spoiled kids

[little osprey]

They can't really confiscate or ground me

[hollow grail]

ow typing hurts rn

[little osprey]

Oh spoiled

@little osprey yep

Anger

Spoiled kids

[hollow grail]

[earnest olive]

i legit cannot even fathom being pissed that your dad is only giving you a couple hundred dollars for gaming

[little osprey]

I hate them

back on my day we had to work for everything

[hollow grail]

tbh

[fossil halo]

bruh no

u see

im not triggered

[hollow grail]

shut up coomer

[fossil halo]

i didnt finish

[hollow grail]

yes u did

[little osprey]

Nobody cares lol

[fossil halo]

k bro

[little osprey]

My first PC was a dual core intel that my dad took a hammer to because one of my grades fell below 80

[fossil halo]

bruh

[hollow grail]

yoooo same

[little osprey]

And I payed $500 for that laptop

[earnest olive]

smashing your kid's stuff is a really great way to make sure they put you in the worst nursing home possible and don't visit you

[hollow grail]

oh true

[little osprey]

I spent another $300 upgrading storage and ram

[hollow grail]

have told my own parents they better pray

[little osprey]

So am $800 laptop and he took a hammer to it

[fossil halo]

bruh

[hollow grail]

that i dont get to pick the nursing home

[fossil halo]

tf

nursing home

[hollow grail]

theyre going to cazy ed's old timey folks home

[fossil halo]

shouldnt they live with u

[little osprey]

@hollow grail what nursing home, just leave them on the street

[hollow grail]

based

[fossil halo]

LOL

[hollow grail]

im not that mean though

[little osprey]

When I move out, my parents are screwed

[hollow grail]

they raised me

[little osprey]

I'm paying 90% of the bills rn

[fossil halo]

at what age

[little osprey]

19

[hollow grail]

move in with me and pay 90% of my bills

[fossil halo]

oof thats rough

[little osprey]

I moved back in to help them pay bills

Well....my mom pay bills

[fossil halo]

jeez thats rough

[little osprey]

My dad's in jail and my mom shouldn't even be working

[earnest olive]

@hollow grail can i bring my cat?

[hollow grail]

hell yes

what they look like

and are they ok with rackmount servers

[fossil halo]

tf is that

[hollow grail]

what i have

used to have a full rack

was so nice being able to throw 256+ threads at stuff

[fossil halo]

oh like the sht they have at like data centers and stuff

[hollow grail]

yep

[fossil halo]

damn

[hollow grail]

i downsized now tho

my babies

https://lili.gay/pastes/?820c08728b1bde4c#64g1g7VMyVfjNwh9Kkgm9U7Zvbn98shmf2QGyZ31Qcn4

[fossil halo]

damn

[little osprey]

Ok so I figured out the issue I'm having with my drivers and gpu

[fossil halo]

how much was all that

altogether

im gonna guess a couple thousand?

[little osprey]

One of my games is set to run off AMD mantel which doesn't exist anymore, but to change it I need to launch the game

[hollow grail]

over 30k msrp

[fossil halo]

bruh

what do you use it for lmao

[hollow grail]

hosting

storage

stuff like that

[fossil halo]

wow thats smort

[hollow grail]

i also have access to 10gbps internet and metered 40gbps internet

[fossil halo]

and then theres me failing 9th grade bio

[hollow grail]

host my sites and media servers

on it as well

[earnest olive]

for some reason I couldn't find it

there u go

[fossil halo]

wow thats a cute cat

[earnest olive]

my child

[hollow grail]

ok u can move in

[fossil halo]

but he gotta pay 90% of the bills

[earnest olive]

omw

[hollow grail]

i will suck ur soul out of your body

[earnest olive]

[little osprey]

lol

[livid flame]

will a anthlon ge 200 bottleneck a rx 550 4ggb

[earnest olive]

no

[little osprey]

@fossil halo i just calculated my monthly pay and what i pay towards bills. between all that i only get to keep $70 a month

[livid flame]

ok ty

[fossil halo]

wow jeez

um well i dont mean this offensively but i cant relate

thats harsh tho

[little osprey]

yeah, im hopping my car doesnt die, because if it does, itll be the engine. and the engine alone, not counting labor, is almost $3000

[earnest olive]

build your own engine

give it RGB

[fossil halo]

lmao

yes

[little osprey]

i would, but i dont have the tools to do that

i dont even have the tools to remove the engine

[fossil halo]

oof

what do you do

like job wise

if u dont mind me asking

[little osprey]

drop the transmission, tear it apart, then lift the engine up out of the engine bay

and thats it put simple

[hollow grail]

u near cali sal?

[little osprey]

Texas

[hollow grail]

o nvm lmao

[fossil halo]

yea he said earlier

[hollow grail]

i did some favors for an auto shop

[fossil halo]

wow

i know a couple of ppl who live in texas

[little osprey]

tbh, the engine would total my car, insurance wise

[fossil halo]

wehre do u work tho

like is it far

[little osprey]

30 minutes away at a atv/motocycle repair shop

[fossil halo]

gosh

[little osprey]

yeah, 20 miles away

and 30 minutes is on a good day

once it took me 1.5 hours to get home

the pains of adulthood

[fossil halo]

do you have any relatives nearby?

[little osprey]

Nope

Nearest are roughly 1300 miles away

[fossil halo]

bruh

[little osprey]

Or 19 hours

Take your pick

[fossil halo]

i mean like

my relatives are like

5000 miles away i think

8438 miles*

but there is the internet tho right

like maybe you can learn a new skill off the internet or smth

idk i probably sound insensitive rn i dont mean to be

[fallen escarp]

any quality/cheap thermal paste?

[earnest olive]

arctic mx-4

[little osprey]

Stock thermal paste

Unless you're replacing

[pulsar crag]

When I buy a processor like AMD or INTEL, they normally come with their coolers and fans right ?

[little osprey]

AMD is a yes

Intel, I'm not sure. Most I've seen dont

[fossil halo]

amd stock paste is good

[little osprey]

I could just be unlucky with intel

[viral ore]

depends on which cpu you actually end up getting, most lower end ones come with a stock cooler

[edgy wagon]

is the 5900x worth?

[urban oyster]

question, i got a gpu that when i plug it into my monitor all i get is a black screen.

[viral ore]

if you need 12 cores, yes

[urban oyster]

what should i do?

[little osprey]

@urban oyster did you connect power cables and display ports

[urban oyster]

yeah.

[pulsar crag]

I’m trying to get a AMD Ryzen 5 3600 at a good price

Not 300

[urban oyster]

the rig runs with other gpus.

just not this one.

[viral ore]

3600 comes with stock cooler

[little osprey]

@pulsar crag around $300 is normal

Especially at times rn

[urban oyster]

but my problem is i need to downgrade my gpu.

[little osprey]

Did you clear old gpu drivers?

[pulsar crag]

Really?? Last month I think I saw it at like 240ish

In amazon

[little osprey]

@pulsar crag well think black friday is ending and so stock is low

[urban oyster]

i'm not sure that would affect it?

would it?

[little osprey]

Old drivers would

[stoic island]

hm?

[pulsar crag]

And I waited for this weekend to see if I could get a sweet price and they are either sold out or $300+

[stoic island]

R5 3600 should be 200$ flat

[urban oyster]

its got no drivers on it right now i believe.

[viral ore]

old drivers mess things up sometimes, but not in this case

[little osprey]

@pulsar crag supply and demand I guess

[urban oyster]

just reinstalled the os.

so idk.

[pulsar crag]

For sure

[viral ore]

10600k is 270

if you need a system now, its a fantastic chip

[stoic island]

yea

[viral ore]

better than the 3600 for gamin

[little osprey]

If you want a 5 3600 I'm thinking of replacing mine. Lmao.

I'm joking btw

All the ones I want are sold out

[viral ore]

@pulsar crag https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086MHSH2C

sucks that the 3600 is unavailable, but this would be better than paying 300+ for a 3600

[livid flame]

will a anthlon ge 200 bottleneck a rx 550 4gb

[little osprey]

The ryzen 7 2700 is under $300

[pulsar crag]

Im not building it for gaming, im building a trading computer

Yes another user recommended that i5

[little osprey]

It's basically a 5 3600

[pulsar crag]

Looks sweet too

[livid flame]

will a anthlon ge 200 bottleneck a rx 550 4gb

[little osprey]

There's also a 5 2600 for 184

[fallen escarp]

what are basically the best fans?

[little osprey]

@livid flame I'm sure that has been answered already

[hollow grail]

noctua

[viral ore]

i dont even know what kind of hardware you need for something like that. would cpu speed even make a difference? would that kind of operation even use more than one core?

[hollow grail]

@pulsar crag trading pc needs good singlethread

[little osprey]

Noctua, corsair(though a bit pricey), and be quiet fans

[livid flame]

i need more opinions 1 person says it will and another says it wont

[hollow grail]

intel still kills it

[viral ore]

this question is too ambiguous, there is no answer

[livid flame]

oh

[hollow grail]

and my answer to @livid flame is dont buy a rx 550 lol

[viral ore]

rx550 is bad buy regardless

[livid flame]

all i can get now

[little osprey]

Lowest I'd go is 570 lol

[hollow grail]

then savr

save

[viral ore]

are you trying to get one new?

[hollow grail]

550 is awful value for $

[livid flame]

yes

[viral ore]

polaris isnt worth buying new

[livid flame]

umm

[viral ore]

just dont

[livid flame]

by me its R1300

1400*

thats like less then $100 dollers

i think

[viral ore]

check ebay for some RX 580s

[little osprey]

Radeon 570 is around $150

[livid flame]

85$

[little osprey]

580 would be better though

[pulsar crag]

I’ve watched some YouTube videos and read a lot that a cpu with 6 cores is the sweet spot if you’re trying to run multiple trading programs

[viral ore]

i paid 82 for my RX 470 like 2 years ago

[livid flame]

wow

[little osprey]

I had an 8gb gigabyte Radeon 570 and it cost me $150

[hollow grail]

@pulsar crag ive literally built a few trading pcs

[viral ore]

so you are running multiple programs at the same time?

[hollow grail]

you want intel then to overclock the snot out of it

@viral ore trading pcs are like 99% singlethread only

[pulsar crag]

Yes basically 2 or 3

[hollow grail]

u need hella clockspeed for trading

[pulsar crag]

So AMD is a no go for you, you recommend intel?

[hollow grail]

at least if hes serious about it

for trading, yes

get a k series cpu

and either you do it or pay someone to overclock it to the max

puget systems will bin a cpu for you if you want to go with them

or look for a golden sample core i9

singlethread is king still for trading applications

[viral ore]

i dont think hes that serious about trading

[pulsar crag]

A user yesterday recommended me this build for trading. Would you agree? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dxgx9N

[hollow grail]

yeah me neither, i just try to give the best advice for certain workloads

let me look

whats budget?

[viral ore]

10600k has an igpu

what the hell you need a gt 710 for

[fossil halo]

all intel have ipu

[hollow grail]

yeah that build is awful

[fossil halo]

yes pls

[hollow grail]

ill redo it for you but i need budget

[fossil halo]

i7 is mad cheap rn

i made a mistake

dont go amd rn

i7 is for 260 rn

9700k

[hollow grail]

9th gen is weird

i dont like it at all

[pulsar crag]

Like 1,000. I was going to get another video card but I need 4 monitors and the card I was going to get has only display ports and the monitors I already have only have HDMI ports

And that card supports 4 HDMI

[hollow grail]

something abt the lack of hyperthreading makes me feel like my 8700k is gonna age way better than a 9700k

oh only $100?

[foggy hazel]

no, most have iGPU, but not all

[hollow grail]

1000*

[fossil halo]

oh really

oh k

[stoic island]

f suffix doesn't

[fossil halo]

i mean all the i ones do right

oh

ok

idk intel i only really researched ryzen

which i now regret

[pulsar crag]

Maybe I can stretch it a liitle more but with the research I’ve done, I’ve read that video cards are not so important for trading other than making sure it supports the monitors you want. That the most important things are processor and ram

But again, I’m a beginner lol

[viral ore]

i3-10100 is 4/8, boosts to 4.3

costs about 100 usd

only downside is ram speed, which is limited to 2666MT/s

idk how much that would hamper the software you are running

it might make no difference at all

[hollow grail]

@pulsar crag https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TKFL7X

[stoic island]

for stock trading I'd prob think about like 10600k+z490 with some good ram and some mediocre GPU

[hollow grail]

depends how serious you are abt it

i still feel dirty leaving a 710 in there lol

[stoic island]

@pulsar crag don't you have 4 monitors you need to power?

[viral ore]

the extra 1ghz boost is not going to make that much of a difference, im certain

and its not worth the extra 430 dollars

[hollow grail]

@viral ore depends how serious it is

intel used to make chips almost just for stock traders

[viral ore]

i dont know how its going to help

[viral ore]

ok?

[stoic island]

Sassy I feel like 1ghz will help

[viral ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow grail]

yeah it will

[viral ore]

help with what, exactly?

[stoic island]

Single core perf

for calculations

[hollow grail]

idk too much about how stock trading works honestly, but every client ive ever had has told me they need crazy single core

[viral ore]

what calculations, its stock trading,

[stoic island]

charts

info

[hollow grail]

^

[stoic island]

real time updates

[viral ore]

i highly doubt the 1ghz is gonna make the difference

[hollow grail]

if u lose 5 seconds u could lose thousands

[stoic island]

I believe it will.

[viral ore]

once again, hes not gonna be daytrading for a living, yet

[hollow grail]

now idk how serious this guy is about it

if its a hobby or a job

[viral ore]

its not worth investing thousands

[hollow grail]

if its a job then i like the build i made him

[viral ore]

a 10100 will be great to start on, and will continue to work

[hollow grail]

if its a hobby then yeah use whatever, if it starts making money go from there

[stoic island]

If you're building a machine for trading, might as well invest enough for it to be viable for day trading

[hollow grail]

^^^

[pulsar crag]

Yeah basically a lot charts and numbers

[stoic island]

I'd still get 10600k

10900k is overkill I get that

[pulsar crag]

Basically 2d rendering

[stoic island]

10400 if you need to save money

[hollow grail]

10900k is overkill for sure but its the best cpu for trading out there atm

[viral ore]

i still feel like 4.3ghz on a modern architecture is enough for that

[hollow grail]

its not sassy

[pulsar crag]

Yeah dudeee Im very serious about this

[still roost]

Ale007#1996 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow grail]

oops

[stoic island]

10900k over 10600k is very minimal gains

ima make a list rq

[viral ore]

@pulsar crag what is the main software you plan to use, i would like to do some research

[hollow grail]

true

ill sanity check the list for u bb

[pulsar crag]

I’ve been trading with a bad computer for the past few months and I’m tired

[viral ore]

also are you on ethernet or wifi

i feel like ethernet would make the bigger difference

[pulsar crag]

Look at this, tell me it doesn’t suck

[hollow grail]

o o f

[viral ore]

yeah, 2400 is old

[hollow grail]

yeah that doesnt cut it at all lmao

[stoic island]

My submission
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YFfL7X

[pulsar crag]

I currently trade on wifi but I think I can make the accommodations to make ethernet I think

[viral ore]

what software @pulsar crag

[stoic island]

that gt1030 model is a placeholder

[hollow grail]

let me 👀

[stoic island]

I need to find the one with 4 hdmi ports

[hollow grail]

i like it but

id use an a2000

[pulsar crag]

Mainly use three: Thinkorswim, Tastyworks, Trade Ideas

[stoic island]

oh it's the gt710 that had 4 hdmi slots

oops

not the gt1030

[pulsar crag]

Yes I was going to ask you that

What ports do the gt 1030 have

[stoic island]

yea I thought gt1030 was the one with 4 hdmi ports

[hollow grail]

if it was me

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NhMH4d

[stoic island]

it was gt710

[hollow grail]

id do this

beefier cooler and better ssd

[stoic island]

@hollow grail what

[hollow grail]

psu is optional though i just like BQ

[stoic island]

why a a2000

worse ssd

for more

[hollow grail]

its a solid drive

good nand and ok controller

[stoic island]

and MP34 is better

you know what controller mp34 uses right

Phison E12

for cheaper than the a2000

[hollow grail]

i know like everyone uses phison e12

[stoic island]

Hell, look at the speeds

[viral ore]

TOS is a single threaded java application

[hollow grail]

and i know its faster

[stoic island]

3000mbps read on the MP34

[hollow grail]

but tbh

[stoic island]

2200mbps read on the A2000

[pulsar crag]

So this processor would be overkill right ? The one you sent me first

[hollow grail]

team gets cheap nand

[stoic island]

There is no reason for the A2000, it's worse speeds, worse, controller, for a higher cost

[hollow grail]

its how they do stuff

id prefer a slower drive thats more likely to last

[stoic island]

Uh they use Toshiba ram..?

[hollow grail]

and?

[stoic island]

@hollow grail I bet you MP34 has a higher rated TBW endurance

It's crazy high

[hollow grail]

toshiba isnt the greatest out there

[stoic island]

not ram

I mean NAND

[hollow grail]

nand i know

[stoic island]

Yes

Toshiba isn't bargain bin

[hollow grail]

it might tbh

[stoic island]

it's pretty good

[hollow grail]

toshiba is okay for sure but id rather micron

[stoic island]

Corsair MP510 and MP600 both use toshiba nand for example

...

[hollow grail]

and you know they get worse binned nand than corsair does

[foggy hazel]

@hollow grail you are aware that model over brand applies to things like nand too right?

[hollow grail]

100%

[viral ore]

@pulsar crag this is a system that will run pretty much 24/7 right?

[stoic island]

Somehow Nand bin that you can't get data for is affecting this comparison in favor of the A2000?

..?

[hollow grail]

honestly I've just had good experience with that drive and its alright for the price

[pulsar crag]

Yess

[hollow grail]

but im not gonna die on this hill

[stoic island]

lol

[hollow grail]

if you think the team ssd is better than use the team ssd

ive been wrong before and im prolly wrong again

[stoic island]

A2000 is decent but here, MP34 is just better in every quantifiable way I can see

[hollow grail]

thats true

i just have my one decent drive i like to stick with for budget stuff

but the mp34 looks better 100%

[stoic island]

By the way

TXm is better than Pure power 11

[pulsar crag]

So if I have a lot of threads they’re basically doing nothing ?

[viral ore]

yep

but, you are running the other 2 as well

i cant find much on them

[pulsar crag]

Exactly

[hollow grail]

ah i see

[pulsar crag]

I would think they’re basically the same thing

[hollow grail]

in that case id do the build you sent

maybe with a better cooler though

[viral ore]

the other thing im thinking of is power consumption

[hollow grail]

cause ideally youd want to push the chip as far as it can go on that oc

[viral ore]

like, a 10600k that boosts slightly higher than the 10100 is cool and all, but its gonna cost more to run 24/7

[viral ore]

im telling you right now the odds this person actually overclocks is slim to none

[hollow grail]

that too

[pulsar crag]

Yes guys I won’t be overclocking

Don’t worry about that jaja

[hollow grail]

oh if ur not overclocking then

yeah listen to sassy lol

i dont think its a good idea to not oc but if u dont want to you dont want to

[viral ore]

overclocking is cool and all, but the price you end up paying in the long run wouldnt be worth it

especially looking at power consumption

[hollow grail]

true

again depends how serious he is

[pulsar crag]

Well not Sundays or Saturday, market not open there jaja

[viral ore]

the difference in real world performance between 4.3 and the 4.8 on the 10600k is so minimal its not even worth considering, also think about dealing with the advertised 125w TDP of the 10600k

[pulsar crag]

So basically Monday through Friday for the rest of my years

[hollow grail]

true sassy

[viral ore]

once that sucker heats up, will it still be boosting to 4.8? doubt it

[stoic island]

I mean

[viral ore]

so now youre paying for a decent cooling solution

[stoic island]

single thread perf is more of a bursty load

Gammaxx 400 will keep it cool easily

[pulsar crag]

So sassy u think this one?

[hollow grail]

yeah if no oc then the gammaxx is fine 100%

[viral ore]

i still believe the 10600k is truly overkill

[pulsar crag]

With the 710

[stoic island]

yea change the GPU out and I say that's good

[hollow grail]

yep

[viral ore]

oh, but 32gb of ram is worthwhile from what ive read

[pulsar crag]

What would you say is the sweet spot then

[pulsar crag]

Yeah I was thinking that too, considering I’m not going to spend a lot in video card, that I would spend it in ram

[hollow grail]

what resolution are your displays btw?

[viral ore]

tbh, the 10100 and the 10600k at stock will perform roughly the same for what your doing, that 0.5 ghz boost clock wont do enough for you, especially considering the increased cost of ram and the motherboard

[stoic island]

I mean

[pulsar crag]

1080 p

Nothing special

[stoic island]

increase ram and mobo cost is something I would spend for either way

[hollow grail]

ahh ok

i was gonna say if 4x 4k ur locked to 30hz

[pulsar crag]

So you’re saying a i5-10100?

[viral ore]

im saying the i3 10100

[stoic island]

It's a fair option, I personally would rather 10600k, but if you need to save that money, it's definitely viable.

[viral ore]

here, ill do a list, and you can compare it with the other

[stoic island]

yea

[pulsar crag]

Thanks man

You guys really helpful

I felt lost these days trying to build one

[stoic island]

:)

[hollow grail]

:))

[viral ore]

how would you feel about using only 3 displays?

instead of 4

[pulsar crag]

The thinkorswim recommendations say i7 but that’s pretty vague right

[viral ore]

thats the most vague statement they could possibly make

[stoic island]

By the way, Sassy, we could use iGPU on top of graphics card maybe

[viral ore]

igpu supports 3 displays

[pulsar crag]

Meh, I might consider it but I think 4 is my sweetspot. Why do you say it sir

[stoic island]

Really? Usually it's just two ports, HDMI and DVI

mobo side

[viral ore]

if you could live off of three, you wouldnt need an extra gpu

[pulsar crag]

Why do I need an extra GPU, isn’t this one of 4 sufficient ?

[viral ore]

the cpu already has a GPU baked in

[stoic island]

@pulsar crag We're talking about you can live off the iGPU that's built into the CPU, without even needing to buy that.

[pulsar crag]

Ohh

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ is this. A good build

[stoic island]

Wrong link :)

[viral ore]

plus, if you even do need more monitors, slapping in an extra GPU is easy

[stoic island]

Use this

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GPKTrr

There we go

[pulsar crag]

So the GPU in the i5 automatically supports 3 hdmi monitors ?

[viral ore]

do they have to be hdmi?

most boards come with a DVI, DP and HDMI, so you would need some adapters, but its all just a digital signal, so it wouldnt make a difference

[stoic island]

I like that PSU parametric selection, might be missing the good bitfenix PSUs tho

anyways

[hollow grail]

i cant see anything wrong with that build @little osprey

[stoic island]

Keyboard is interesting

a good amount of people will take issue with that

[hollow grail]

yeah