building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

recently some mfr launched kits that were rated for like 5100c19 at xmp iirc

don't remember which

[sharp tundra]

Thats pretty decent too at 3.72ns

[earnest olive]

"decent"

costs more than your whole rig

[sharp tundra]

That ddr3 is better than that 5100c19

[earnest olive]

also that's 5.88

latency isn't everything lol

[sharp tundra]

I know, and neither is frequency

[earnest olive]

it's not like clock speed is a worthless number

[sharp tundra]

They have to work together to have good performance

[earnest olive]

otherwise we'd be trying to push like 400C1

[jagged ember]

is it true that in general, higher clock speeds with higher latency is better than lower clock speeds with lower latency?

[earnest olive]

ah it's crucial ballistix

[sharp tundra]

Depends

[earnest olive]

no such thing as "in general"

too many differing situations

[sharp tundra]

The numbers I am referring too is the time it takes for a cpu to send an order to the ram and execute it

That is whats really important in ram

[earnest olive]

you don't have to explain timings to me lol

[sharp tundra]

To him

Lol

[earnest olive]

higher frequency is more important on a ryzen system even with looser timings up until you hit your chip's FCLK limit

3600C18 > 3200C16

[sharp tundra]

4000mhzc18 is practically the same as 3600mhzc16

[earnest olive]

despite having the same true latency

[jagged ember]

big brain stuff

[earnest olive]

4000C20 would beat 3600C18 too if your ryzen chip can do 2000MHz FCLK

for intel I believe true latency is more important but not 100% on that, intel does still benefit from throughput

[sharp tundra]

Yeah, my friend who bought it doesnt know enough to buy it, and yet he did anyways

[earnest olive]

and this is primarily in gaming, in workloads that are less latency sensitive more throughput will be better

gaming is a very latency sensitive workload

which is why intel held the lead for so long with their monolithic die

[sharp tundra]

Especially for esports titles

HA, my friend has my 2700x, with 4000mhz ram, lol

[earnest olive]

so on ryzen system just max out your fclk first before worrying about tightening timings

[jagged ember]

should have gone for 3600

oh well

[earnest olive]

on a 3000 series chip it's most likely gonna be 1800 or 1867, sometimes 1900

on a 5000 chip I believe 2000 is going to be considered "common" once the agesa microcode matures

on a 2000 chip I believe above 1600 is already uncommon

[sharp tundra]

You can't even use it all

[earnest olive]

?

[sharp tundra]

All the available speed

[earnest olive]

what do you mean

[sharp tundra]

A 2000 series uses 1600mhz of the ram right? On a 3200mhz

So my friend has 4000mhz, he can't use all the availed speed

Right

[earnest olive]

fclk syncs with the actual frequency of the ram which is one half of what people usually call it

ddr stands for double data rate

[sharp tundra]

Yes, I know this

[jagged ember]

i figured this one out on my own!

[earnest olive]

1600MHz FCLK : 1600MHz DRAM : 3200 MT/s

[sharp tundra]

I am asking if you will be able to use the 2000mhz od a 4000mhz ram

With a 2000series cpu

[earnest olive]

you might, but not at 2000mhz fclk

you would definitely have to decouple

and run 1:2 mode

[sharp tundra]

You just answered yes and no at the same time

[earnest olive]

1000MHz FCLK : 2000MHz DRAM

because that is the answer

technically you could

wouldn't be worth it

[sharp tundra]

Thats what I was wondering

[earnest olive]

I ran 4333MHz RAM on my 3600X with IF completely decoupled for an overclocking competition

my 3600X only goes up to 1900MHz FCLK

but I still managed to push 4333MHz out of my 3600C16 kit

[sharp tundra]

So now I can tell my friend the ram he bought is completly useless, lol

[earnest olive]

buying 4000mhz ram for a 2000 series chip isn't entirely useless

better binned ram can be tuned down to speeds the 2000 series chip can handle but with tighter timings

[sharp tundra]

You can change CL?

[earnest olive]

if you buy a 3600c16 ram it'll likely do 3200c14

yes

[sharp tundra]

How tf?

[earnest olive]

just type in a different number

[upper cobalt]

just ordered new pc parts

[still roost]

floppa#7977 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[jagged ember]

whether it's stable or not, is another question

[earnest olive]

my kit is 3600MHz 16-19-19-19-39 1.35Vdimm at XMP

[upper cobalt]

bonkers

[earnest olive]

my daily oc is 3800MHz 16-16-19-21-36 1.4Vdimm

the highest I pushed was 4333MHz 26-27-27-27-58 1.5Vdimm

[sharp tundra]

So you're telling my I could crank my 3200mhzcl16 to 5000mhzcl10?

[earnest olive]

no

[jagged ember]

:( 3466 CL16 oc on a 3200cl16 set

[earnest olive]

being able to set the CL differently doesn't mean it'll work

every chip has different potential

your 3200C16 kit is almost guaranteed to not work at 3200C14 since they use bottom of the barrel bins on those

but a 3600C16 kit will almost certainly run 3200C14 since it's a better bin

a 4000C18 kit is also likely to run 3200C14

[sharp tundra]

I thought you said 3600c16 was better than 3200c14

So why would you do that?

[earnest olive]

...yes, but a 2000 series chip won't always push 1800mhz fclk

[sharp tundra]

Ah

[earnest olive]

3200c14 1:1 is far better than 3600c16 1:2

[sharp tundra]

Didn't realizes we were still talking about that chip, my b

[earnest olive]

both 1:1 then 3600c16 wins

[jagged ember]

so it depends on the architecture of the chip

[earnest olive]

well

more to do with the chip's IMC

[jagged ember]

oh

[earnest olive]

cores are not the only thing that improve

ryzen 1000 would sometimes struggle to run above 2933mhz ram

[sharp tundra]

So why does everyone say that amd runs better at higher ram clicks when the cpu probably can't even handle it most of the time?

[earnest olive]

now we have chips doing 4000mhz 1:1

because most people are looking at 3200 vs 3600

3600c16 being still in the budget range

[jagged ember]

[sharp tundra]

Yes, and I guess that true for all 3000series and up, but not 1000 or 2000

[earnest olive]

and almost nobody is building new systems based off of those chips today

so

[sharp tundra]

Eh, some 2000 chips are still relevant

[earnest olive]

for what?

[sharp tundra]

Budgeting

[earnest olive]

2700X ties 3600 in productivity

for budget gaming you're better off with a 10400f than a 2700X

3100 beats 2600 in most games

let alone anything in the 1000 series

[sharp tundra]

Intel is ew

[earnest olive]

the places where 2000 series actually make sense are few and far between

if you'd like to pay more for less performance then sure you can disregard intel offerings

I do not care about brand

neither multi-billion dollar corporation is my friend

[sharp tundra]

Well, either way, I now know not to trade back my 3600 for his 2700x

Cause that one used to be mine

[earnest olive]

don't be a fanboy for a company that could not care less about your existence

[jagged ember]

[sharp tundra]

Isn't that the point of being a fanboi?

[jagged ember]

was about to make a joke about apple fanboys

[sharp tundra]

I'm sure anything anybody is actually fanning over could care less about their existence

[earnest olive]

ryzen 5 3600 is currently hovering around $300... i5-10400f is a better gaming chip on z490 and an equal gaming chip on b460 for $180... you would have to be mentally ill to pick the 3600

[jagged ember]

but their M1 chip actually seems decent

[foggy hazel]

the point of being logical about hardware is to NOT be a fanboy

the M1, and by extension, the architecture its based on, is very interesting.

[earnest olive]

nice preview of tsmc 5nm

[jagged ember]

indeed

rosetta is interesting

as well as 5nm

[earnest olive]

I just wanna see intel and amd sweating against a third competitor

[sharp tundra]

I'll be it

[foggy hazel]

yes/no ... its more a preview of: 5nm if you ALSO invest X amount extra for tweaks"

[earnest olive]

yeah for sure it's definitely not 1:1

but it's kinda crazy how efficient the chip can be

[sharp tundra]

Well anyways, good talking about pc stuff, I'm gonna go back to playing destiny2

[foggy hazel]

oh yes

[sharp tundra]

Have a good night/day

[foggy hazel]

but that is mainly due to architecture @earnest olive

the signs was there in the previous gens

[earnest olive]

yeah I'm aware

ARM generally fares better in low power applications

[foggy hazel]

i am personally just enjoying that someone is taking a good long hard look at what a cpu can be.

[earnest olive]

agree

nice to shake up the x86 titans

[foggy hazel]

because there are a bunch of ways that the m1 architecture is made, that just about breaks ALL the "standard" ways of things

[earnest olive]

I am gonna head to bed I've been awake for 22 hours

take care

[foggy hazel]

enjoy :)

time for market day here :)

[rancid pasture]

Do you guys think the MSI GTX 1650 Super will drop down in price when cyber Monday hits?

[hearty obsidian]

even if it doesnt if stock of new stuff gets better then and of the older gens hopefully will get cheaper

[little osprey]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mPX38J is it decent, or i should change something? i will also add rgb fans later

[urban oyster]

so i got an issue...

this morning...

and it's one of the rarest ive seen in a while.

you know what i think this is one that may solve itself :/

some ants are crawling behind my monitor screen.

no idea how they got there.

they just there this morning.

🤷‍♀️

[little osprey]

@silk estuary sorry, was asleep. My local one

[silk estuary]

@little osprey nice

[little osprey]

Yep

Only one for 15 miles too

[hazy rune]

@little osprey May want to take a look at the notes on the bottom. Your motherboard is cheap.

[wraith quiver]

@earnest olive my new motherboard is on its way

[little osprey]

What other mobo should i get

[hazy rune]

Also you can buy rmx instead of rm for the same price

[wraith quiver]

It will be here in 2 weeks 😁😭

[hazy rune]

Idk, Asus is expensive and Asrock’s budget boards are bad

Go with gigabyte or msi

[wraith quiver]

I’m getting a asrock budget board

😔

why are they bad

[hazy rune]

They’re extremely cheap

[wraith quiver]

yeah

why are they bad

lmao

[hazy rune]

Exactly that. You get what you pay for. It will lack ports, vrm, you could get audio noise. There are lots of reasons to buy a better one.

RAM compatibility is another big one

[wraith quiver]

Nah

Disagree

[hazy rune]

Your money, you do what you want.

[deft gust]

Good morning all, I'd like some more experienced opinions on a prebuilt system offered by newegg . https://www.newegg.ca/skytech-st-azure-0118/p/N82E16883289064?Description=rtx 3070&cm_re=rtx_3070-_-83-289-064-_-Product . I'm in Canada and would like the new RTX3070 and I feel the best way to get that is with a prebuilt system. This system seems pretty nice however there are no reviews and I can't seem to determine which parts are exactly included in the build. Any suggestions?

[hazy rune]

You missed out on the ibuypower deal yesterday

I wonder if it’s still live

Doesn’t look too bad to me. I’m a little hesitant on the case

I don’t know how much airflow that gets

In win likes to put honeycomb panels on the side for intakes. They do not work.

[deft gust]

Thank you, should it be of concern that there is no reviews yet?

also could you link ibuypower deal is you have it handy?

[hazy rune]

Here’s the link, idk if it is still a good deal in Canada

https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Black-Friday-Sale-AMD-Ryzen-7-2020/W/1230187

It was $1200usd yesterday

Looks like they raised the price

Prebuilts are hard to find reviews on because they’re all different

You may consider looking at similar prebuilts and checking for reviews on build quality

[deft gust]

Perfect, I appreciate it. That build is also nice, may just tinker with a couple components but the price seems competitive enough

[hazy rune]

Good luck

[deft gust]

so many options on ibuypower lol, little overwhelming.

ideally looking for something to suit my Asus vg27aq (1440p, 165hz) display

[median crystal]

Hi- i want to build a NAS server for home plex media and file sharing. I am looking at the i7 9700K vs i7 9700F

[hazy rune]

I haven’t used a NAS server before but the i7 doesn’t have hyper threading.

K is unlocked, and F doesn’t include integrated graphics

[median crystal]

and am not sure what RAM memory type to get. The CPUs seem to be 2666. Could i get a faster RAM type like 3200? If i do, would it just run at 2666?

ok i see firetan

[hazy rune]

It will run at 2133 unless you enable xmp

The 2666 is just intel’s spec for speed, you can use 3200

[median crystal]

not sure i need hyperthreading for just a media server... typically no more than 5 people gonna use at once

i see

[hazy rune]

I think 9700k will be overkill for a media server

[median crystal]

ok

[hazy rune]

Take a look at i5 10400f or the ryzen 3600 if that’s actually in stock

You can probably make do with even less

[median crystal]

like the 9700k is 260. and i saw the 9700k go for 200 at microcenter (but that is sold out)
The other one- i7 9700F is around 180

@hazy rune ok

[hazy rune]

If you’re connecting to a display you will need something for graphics

[median crystal]

i may want to do transcoding - and that about it

[hazy rune]

You can get a gt 710 or something cheap if necessary

[median crystal]

ok- i see i5 is only 150

[hazy rune]

Another good option is ryzen 3400g (it has onboard graphics)

[median crystal]

i am not so sure about AMDs...

[hazy rune]

Then the i5 is fine. Try to get the regular one and not the f series chip

[median crystal]

k

[hazy rune]

Ie i5-10400 not i5-10400f

[median crystal]

not sure what MOBO to get with it- Microcenter has MOBO/CPU combo special. I want to probably do unraid and have 4x 8TB drives

[hazy rune]

Yeah I’m not too sure on that

I’d get a cheap z490 board, they may have better support.

Asus prime comes to mind

[median crystal]

thinking about something like the asus z390 or the asus prime... the asus z390 got wifi - and is $300 w/ i5. The asus prime is ~ $200 w/ i5

and would a micro atx be better suited than a full sized mobo? hmmm

[hazy rune]

Z390 only supports 8th and 9th gen

Atx/mAtx depends on your case

Z390 is just the chipset btw, it’s not a model

[median crystal]

ok

ok - so the Intel Core i5-9600K is 150

[hazy rune]

I can’t seem to load their website or I’d help you look

[median crystal]

*their? you mean microcenter or newegg?

[hazy rune]

Microcenter

[median crystal]

ah- messaged you the link im looking at... they are getting swamped w black friday/weekend sales

[little osprey]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/d7Dhj2 What mobo for this build?

[still bay]

whats a good z490 mobo? or something to amtch with a 10900k ?

[still bay]

dont get a 2700x?

[little osprey]

why noT? its for my budget bruh

[still bay]

what is ur budget

[little osprey]

1k for the whole pc

[stiff gust]

@rancid pasture

that 1650 super is way overpriced

you're 10 dollars off of a 1660super which si much better

[still bay]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/wFfkwz something like this if u have the money get a 3700x

[little osprey]

3600X has 6 cores

and 2700X has 8

and they both have similar speed

[still bay]

but its a gen 2 processor

[little osprey]

ok?

[still bay]

also 2700x is 12 nm whereas 3600 is 7 nm

[stiff gust]

@still bay

are you going to be using it for gaming or productivity @little osprey

wrong person

[little osprey]

streaming, gaming and editing

[still bay]

2700x is zen+ and 3600 is zen 2

so everything

if u coudl get a 3700x that would be best

[stiff gust]

I would use the 2700x

[little osprey]

only because its zen+ doesnt mean its bad LMAO

[still bay]

it means its notably older

get @stoic island to weigh in on this

[stiff gust]

my 3600 isnt the best for video editing so i would reccomend more threads

[little osprey]

Reasons I prefer getting 2700X
-8 cores
-16 threads
-RGB stock cooler
-Pricing

[still bay]

doesnt video editing use cores?

idk

[stiff gust]

exactly why you want 8 instead of 6'

[stoic island]

@little osprey yes Zen+ bad compared to Zen 2

[little osprey]

idk

[still bay]

my savior has arrived

[little osprey]

why would I get a 3600X for mutli task thats dumb

6 cores

smh

[still bay]

not the x

[stoic island]

Yes

[still bay]

if ur gonna get a 3600x ur better off saving money with a 3600 or going all the way for a 3700x

[stoic island]

3600 for multitasking

[still bay]

bc wraith prism 😍

[stoic island]

If gaming is a workload, I'd get a 3600

Unless editing was your work or something

[stiff gust]

2700x is better than 3600 in productivity and similar in gaming

[stoic island]

Dunno about that similar in gaming bit

[stiff gust]

have you seen benchmarks?

i just watched like 5 reviewers benchmarks so i can comment educated

[little osprey]

I agree with 100% with @stiff gust

What mobo should I get btw

[stoic island]

I made the switch from 2700 to 3800x so I have a valid source :p

[stiff gust]

its like within 5% or equal

3800x isnt a 3600 LUL

[still bay]

btw @little osprey dont get a 1tb ssd get a 500gb ssd and a 2tb hdd

[stoic island]

What it does tell you is iPC

[little osprey]

nope not getting HDD

[still bay]

for a 1k budget?

[little osprey]

Yeah ofc

[still bay]

seems like a waste of 15% of ur budget

[little osprey]

I need my things to go fast

[still bay]

whereas u could get 2.5x the storage and only use 10%

[little osprey]

1TB SSD is fine

bruh HDD imagine

[stiff gust]

I have a 1tb ssd, and its amazing. Though i am going to be buying more storage such as a 2tb hdd this christmas

all i do is gaming though

[little osprey]

noice

lol

[stiff gust]

and light video creation so its up to u

[little osprey]

what mobo should I get

[stiff gust]

you will need alot of storage for video files

uhhh

b450 is best for 2nd gen id say

gives u options for third gen too

[stoic island]

Here, GN revisited 2700 a bit ago
https://youtu.be/XOe2n-3fiUY

[stiff gust]

but if u want to be able to throw a 5600 or something later on

id go for a b550 that supports 2nd gen

[little osprey]

I have a portable HDD, so I can put my designs etc there to use it on my laptop on the go

[still bay]

dopes b450 support 5th gen

wth a bios update?

[stiff gust]

some i think

so maybe go for a b450 that supports 5th gen? i think those exist

[stoic island]

First benchmark I see

[stiff gust]

is that comparing the 2700x to the 3600?

[stoic island]

SoTR, 3600 has a 14% lead

It's 2700 to 3600

[stiff gust]

ah

ok thats fair

yeah thats 1 game

[little osprey]

what b450 mobo should I get

[stoic island]

@stiff gust look through the video

[stiff gust]

i am watching rn

[stoic island]

It's hard to watch and use discord on mobile

So I grabbed the first chart and told results

[little osprey]

is the
Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING good?

[stiff gust]

how much is it?

sounds like it will be overkill

[little osprey]

101 pound

is it a good mobo?

[still bay]

no

its not

i have it

apparently its overpriced and has bad vrm's

looks decent tho

[little osprey]

101 pounds aint overpriced what have I just read lmao

[stiff gust]

Ruospo does it support 5th gen w/ bios update?

id find one that does that

[still bay]

i dont speak inferior

[little osprey]

so what is a good B450 mobo

[stoic island]

No Asus b450 boards support it yet

Nor MSI

[little osprey]

B550 is better for 5th gen tbh

[stiff gust]

yeah thats why i said to look for one

[stoic island]

It's only a few asrock boards

[stiff gust]

i agree

[still bay]

@little osprey ur also risking/losing so much upgrability with 2700x

[stiff gust]

thats why i said get a b550 board tbh

[still bay]

i meant b450

[stoic island]

Anyways I'd get a B550+3600

[still bay]

^

[stiff gust]

here

[stoic island]

Because 2nd gen can't go on b550

[stiff gust]

yes they can

certain models

someone on reddit thought so atleast

[little osprey]

can someone tell me a good 4550 mobo...

450

B450

[still bay]

b550

[stoic island]

From what yams told me a while back, it was like two ASRock boards that had unconfirmed support

I'd rather not risk that but if you want to

[stiff gust]

Oh ok, those where the boards I was referring to.

I didnt know they where unconfirmed

my bad

[little osprey]

I cba I ask for a good B450 mobo and people answer B550

[stoic island]

Because B550 is superior

[little osprey]

Ik but thats not what I asked

B550 isnt compatible for 2700X

[stoic island]

I'm giving you a superior option

[still bay]

ik but what ur asking is stupid

[stoic island]

I'd get a 3600 and b550

[still bay]

b550 is compatible with a 3600 tho

[little osprey]

and I dont wanna get a 3600

[still bay]

😮

[little osprey]

; )

[stiff gust]

3600/b550 is a good option for the future. Idk why but my 3600 fails to playback 1080p video w/o stutters on openshot

idk fi thats normal

but its not any other of my hardware constraining it

[little osprey]

MSI B450-A PRO MAX is it good?

[stiff gust]

yeah but it wont support 5th gen

[still bay]

why are u purposefully screwing urself over

[little osprey]

I aint getting 5th gen tho lololl

[stiff gust]

b450-a isnt usually the best tho

asrock b450 steel legend is my go-to for reccomending

though idk how good the vrms are

[little osprey]

SO WHAT IS THE BEST B450 THEN

I need to know

Idk nothing about mobos

[drowsy plinth]

My fans that came with my case will not power on. The CPU fan works fine. What are my risks in running the computer without those fans? I am pretty sure that I will need to return the case but there is no customer support until Monday.

[stiff gust]

@drowsy plinth

[still bay]

@stoic island whats a good z490 board

[stiff gust]

Do you have them connected to to the header near where you plugged in your case power button connector?

ik it sounds dumb but sometimes we forget

[drowsy plinth]

They were pre installed

[stiff gust]

yea, but the power connecter isnt usually already plugged in

sometiems it is

there should be a wire coming off of the case fans

just follow them and make sure they are plugged in

[drowsy plinth]

All wires are plugged in.

[fossil halo]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-Graphics-Single-Slot-Passive/dp/B08DS13LLZ/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=gt+710&qid=1606584016&sr=8-4

yo guys

i got this graphics card is it good

[tawdry lance]

Should I flash my b550 mobo bios before i install my zen 3 cpu or after?

[fossil halo]

before?

otherwise it wont work?

[stiff gust]

what is the name of the headers they are plugged into?

[little osprey]

Hey, could someone help me? I would like to know what is the best mobo for Ryzen 7 2700X CPU.

[still bay]

we've already said b550 3600 otherwise idk waht u want

[drowsy plinth]

Lemme check

[little osprey]

Could u please answer my question

[still bay]

@fossil halo no its not

[little osprey]

If you dont know the answer for it, no need to answer thanks ; )

[still bay]

no i cant sorry bc ur asking for the best of old hardware which serves no purpose im telling u the best thing u could do is b550 3600

[little osprey]

If I dont wanna get that, u wont be the one that will convince me thanks : )

[still bay]

lmao im not the one? im not the idiot choosing to be stubborn and get a 2700x for no reason when everyone has said not to

[little osprey]

There is reasons that I want to get that

[still bay]

there is no "best b450 board" bc no matter what ur getting the short end of the stick

ur reasons are "oh 2 more cores and 4 more threads that means better"

[little osprey]

nope

[still bay]

then whats ur reasoning

[little osprey]

if I get a 3600 i will have to buy a separate cooler AKA out of my budget :))

[still bay]

no u wont...?

it comes with the wraith whatever the hell

[little osprey]

Ik

but It has no RGB

and its ugly

[still bay]

r u serious

[little osprey]

so thats why

[still bay]

u realize u could get a 3700x

[little osprey]

Ik that

[still bay]

ur reasoning is u want to purposefully get inferior hardware bc it comes with a cooler rthat has rgb?

so u dont have to spend 30 bucks or whatever

[little osprey]

smh

ok cool

.

[still bay]

3700x is literally like 50 bucks more usd

[little osprey]

its literally 100 more

.

[still roost]

ye#9188 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[still bay]

i literally said usd

[little osprey]

mate since when its 50 bucks more a difference from the 2700X to 3700X

u must be dreaming jesus crist

[still bay]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-8-Core-3-7-GHz-4-3-GHz-Max-Boost-Socket-AM4-105W-Desktop-Processor-YD270XBGAFBOX/555767145?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=250&&adid=22222222227154669104&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=265612321624&wl4=pla-439659968363&wl5=9061285&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=111838790&wl11=online&wl12=555767145&veh=sem

3700x is 300 ish

so like 50-60

[little osprey]

lmfao

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/gM4Gj2

[drowsy plinth]

How would I know if the case rgb and fan controller was bad? Everything thing is running great except the case fans and case LEDs. The cpu fan runs and rgb on the motherboard runs fine.

[little osprey]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XzHrcT ops?

(btw I chose WIFI board because its cheaper than non WIFI, even tho I dont need WIFI lol)

[drowsy plinth]

How much can I run my computer while the case fans are not working? The cpu fan runs fine but I worry about overheating with the case fans dead.

[stoic island]

@drowsy plinth might as well run it with side panel open then

[woeful abyss]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hBJRF8 my first build in 10+ years so I'd someone could critique I'd appreciate it:

Processor I won from Intel's gamer days.
The graphics card is a used one I saw on Newegg and looking to pick up.
Going for the white aesthetic

Concerns/comments/suggestions?

[severe axle]

I'd add one more fan

4000d airflow might look better, front panel is not black

[fossil halo]

why is it not good

[stoic island]

@woeful abyss to start off, I'd try to get a mobo with built in wifi, like a z490-plus wifi, to make things simpler

[fossil halo]

i heard you can get 500 fps on fortnite with it

[still bay]

very funny

[fossil halo]

wait so you cant?

i jsut wanna crank 90s

and do dances

[woeful abyss]

@stoic island @severe axle thanks, I'll look into those

[agile rivet]

https://newegg.io/8010bbd
Good selection?

[fossil halo]

wait so i cant crank 90s and become ninja if i get that card

[fossil halo]

k so lets ee

see

[agile rivet]

Take ur time.

[fossil halo]

um #1 intel

ryzen would be much cheaper

2600 b450

[agile rivet]

Okay.

[still bay]

@agile rivet dont listen to him hes trolling u i tghink

[severe axle]

and for that you won't need an aio

[still bay]

go to pcpartpicker

[fossil halo]

#2 if u go ryzen switch out that ram its very very slow

[fossil halo]

lmao dude i was just trolling earlier

i actually got the card tho

for a different reason

[still bay]

@agile rivet whats ur budget

[agile rivet]

Dont forgot that Intel GPU get fire after time.

[fossil halo]

and yea zeroed ivan go to pcpartpicker.com

[agile rivet]

Max 1500Usd.

[wanton wagon]

is today a good time to buy my pc or should i wait until Monday

[fossil halo]

right now is the worst time to build a pc

[agile rivet]

Lmao I gonna buy this Pc if I got good grades on school.

[fossil halo]

imo

[severe axle]

if some stuff is actually on sale and not marked up then put on sale for the original price

[fossil halo]

zeroedivan i think you should wait

right now stock for a lot of stuff is very limited and its not that good

[agile rivet]

If I got good gradse I gonna buy it in 2021.

[fossil halo]

yea then make a parts list in 2021

[agile rivet]

grades.

[fossil halo]

yes good grades are good

[still bay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RdZrcT

[fossil halo]

what grade are you in

[still bay]

dotn get that psu

get a RMx

[agile rivet]

Well 12/20 and I need to get 13/20.

[still bay]

japanese caps and 10 year warrenty

[fossil halo]

ye

the gpu is a scam in that build

wait for the 3060 or 3070

[still bay]

@little osprey btw 3700x is 279.99 lmao

[agile rivet]

@still bay Bro some of those stuff you cant find them on Algeria.

[still bay]

oh u live in algeria?

[fossil halo]

yea its mad cheap rn

i got it yesterday

[agile rivet]

Yes.

[fossil halo]

oh jeez um

[still bay]

oh idk then sorry

[fossil halo]

what is the main retailer there

does amazon ship there?

[agile rivet]

How u know algeria btw?

[still bay]

u just said u live there

[fossil halo]

its in north africa right

[agile rivet]

Nice, First boi know algeria.

[fossil halo]

i think

wow

[agile rivet]

2+

[fossil halo]

zeroed ivan

what retailers ship there

[still bay]

very north africa

[agile rivet]

Because when I tell my friends about algeria they dont know it.

[still bay]

borders the meditterean

[fossil halo]

really?

[agile rivet]

Yep.

[fossil halo]

they should get good at goegraphy

[agile rivet]

Lmao.

[still bay]

borders morocco and i think libya

idk what else

[agile rivet]

Yes.

[fossil halo]

wow k ye knows more about it than me

i j know its on the north part of africa

v big

[agile rivet]

It 1st country from size.

[fossil halo]

yea

anyway

[agile rivet]

Arabic country's.

[fossil halo]

what ships there

[little osprey]

ay hi

[agile rivet]

Hi.

[fossil halo]

zeored ivan does amazon ship to algeria

[fleet pagoda]

2 parts came

Im so happy

😭🥺

[fossil halo]

my parts are also coming soon

[fleet pagoda]

Nicu

Nice

[agile rivet]

It dosent even ship items to algeria lol, There is big risk that ur items gonna stoled.

[little osprey]

whats ur pc part list? can I have a look

[fossil halo]

oof thats rough

um then what does ship there

[fossil halo]

i already bought it but sure

[agile rivet]

My friend worked for 2years for pc and ordered it from amazon and other sites and he got stolen lol.

[fossil halo]

i had a budget of like around 750 usd

[agile rivet]

Verifed sites ofc.

[fossil halo]

ouch

[fleet pagoda]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/swxtW3

Heres mine

Thats not the ssd i got actually

[fossil halo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MVM64d

this is mine

[agile rivet]

Good and bad?

[fossil halo]

k so about my list to anyone who looks at it

i didnt have a choice with the gpu

[agile rivet]

I look at it, It kinda good.

[fleet pagoda]

What abt mine

[agile rivet]

Ur it kinda so weak.

[fleet pagoda]

?

[fossil halo]

dom do u already have a gpu?

@fleet pagoda

[agile rivet]

He dont have .

[fleet pagoda]

Na but im ordering one when it comes out

[agile rivet]

Name?

[fossil halo]

oh 3060 gang?

[fleet pagoda]

3060 or 3060ti

Yurr

[agile rivet]

Nice.

Do u have monitor.

[fossil halo]

ayy same

[agile rivet]

But guys, 3060 is really expensive lol.

[fleet pagoda]

I have an old r9 380 i can use for now

[fossil halo]

bro

zeroed ivan

[agile rivet]

?

[fleet pagoda]

3060 isnt that expensive

[agile rivet]

Call me Zero

[fossil halo]

u can fit a 3080 in ur build

k

if u have a 1500 usd budget

1500 usd is a lot

[agile rivet]

Welcom to africa, U cant.

[fleet pagoda]

Im confused but alr

[agile rivet]

U cant order 3060.

[fleet pagoda]

When it comes out u can

Lol

[agile rivet]

Anyway, 1,5k for everything.

[agile rivet]

Never I guess?

[fossil halo]

ouch wait so who can you order from

or can you go in the store

hows the covid situation there

[agile rivet]

U cant order from internet.

[fleet pagoda]

Why not lol

[agile rivet]

Cool.

Guys..

Look,

[fossil halo]

can you go to the store? if yes which store

[agile rivet]

Nothing getout -getin in this situation.

[fleet pagoda]

Prob a microcenter

[agile rivet]

Yo can ofc.

[fossil halo]

LMAO BRO HE CANT GO TO AMAZON TF U THINK THERES A MICRO CENTER THERE

[agile rivet]

But if u go 15pm u get problem with cops.

We dont have those stuff.

Micro center lol.

[fleet pagoda]

I called bestbuy abt it and they said it will most likely gonna be online order only

[fossil halo]

then what do you have

zero

in your area

[agile rivet]

Private stores?

[fleet pagoda]

Where does he his

[agile rivet]

Best stores for gamers are only 3 - 5 in all country.

[fossil halo]

then i dont erally know if we can make a list

without knowing the prices

[agile rivet]

MaxFrame - BuyMore - Azer(This name I think)..

[fleet pagoda]

Never heard of those

[still bay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dsyyxc what do yall think i just want to do some light gaming

[agile rivet]

U will not because they are algerian stores, National stores.

[fossil halo]

LMAO um i think

u dont have enough ram

u need a slight bit more if you want to get like the baseline 128937128937129371 fps

[fleet pagoda]

Why would u pay 1k for 32gb of ddr4 3200 ram

[fossil halo]

the gpu is a bit low

i think you should switch to intel graphics

its far better

[still bay]

its 256... re read

[fossil halo]

LOL

[fleet pagoda]

Holy its 8x32

[fossil halo]

yea lmao

[still bay]

yeah....

[fleet pagoda]

🥶💯

[fossil halo]

wit ye u trolling or no lmao

[still bay]

no?

i was joking about why i need it but yeah its real

[fossil halo]

bc i mean if u got 8k budget u can get bvetter

[fleet pagoda]

Its a troll for sure

[fossil halo]

why do u need it lmao

for like crypto mning or smth

[still bay]

no i build pcs kinda like in my friend group and my friends dad needs it

[fossil halo]

why

what does he do that needs 256 gb ram

[still bay]

idk he does like sht with like data or something

[fossil halo]

i dont think sht with data requires 256 gb ram

[still bay]

might go custom water cooling

[fossil halo]

sht bro

[fleet pagoda]

I wanted a nice aio but i couldnt afford it

A nice one w alot of rgb

[severe axle]

cpu?

[little osprey]

I wish corsair made monitors

[upbeat lodge]

Why

[little osprey]

Cause everything else they make is either of decent or very good quality

[fleet pagoda]

Whats a good pre build for like 800$

My friend wants one and idk where to look lol

[strong radish]

How much worse is one 16 Gb stick than 2 8gb sticks

[little osprey]

Dual channel better

[still bay]

@strong radish a notable amount

[violet harness]

A lot

[little osprey]

1 stick is never good for modern pcs

[next kestrel]

unless you plan on upgrading very soon

for instance, if you can't afford 32gb on a mobo with 2 slots, but think you can put one in later, buying 1 16gb stick is fine

[little osprey]

Or even 2x4 is good enough

If you can get dual channel. Then do it

[scenic turret]

8 days of troubleshooting and I finally get this

[fossil hazel]

Do you guys think it is worth it to buy a 3600x right now?

[weak field]

how much do you guys think you should spend on a pc

i want a couple different opinions for a chart

[scenic turret]

Well I've spent 1.6K CAD or approx. 1.23K USD

[next kestrel]

@weak field any range between 200-2000

i think thats reasonable

[weak field]

so the community says 4k

mhm

[next kestrel]

i mean its all about what you want to do with it

[weak field]

i was just curios abt the price point for the “average consumer”

curious

[next kestrel]

i guess from what ive seen, its around the 1k mark give or take a couple hundred

[vital warren]

750-1k

[ashen haven]

is this worth 1400 canadian ?

its 300 dollar off rn on sale

[fleet pagoda]

No

[ashen haven]

thats how much all the parts would end up costing anyways I think , no?

its canadian so a few hundred more than usd

[severe axle]

yeah $1077 usd

[exotic vault]

Guys witch is the best mobi for my i9 10850k

[ashen haven]

@severe axle would it be worth then

cuz sale ends on tuesday

[severe axle]

no

[ashen haven]

are the parts bad? bc I'm not trying to get high end

my budget is below 1.5

[severe axle]

no, just overpriced

$1300-1400 could get you a 5600x/3070 build

[vital warren]

cad not usd

[ashen haven]

yea

[severe axle]

ohh I forgot

still wouldn't buy though

[ashen haven]

additional specs if needed

[raw mist]

Guys if i have a b550 mobo with a 5600xt gpu, and i want to vertically mount the gpu, will the riser cable limit the speed because the cable is a pcie 3.0 and the mobo is pcie 4.0

[severe axle]

and its a b450 board

yeah I wouldn't buy it

[earnest olive]

@raw mist yes you'd have to run it in pcie 3.0 mode, but the 5600xt won't see a meaningful performance loss from doing so

even the rtx 3090 doesn't

hence why nvidia demonstrated performance of the 30 series using a pcie 3.0 platform (10900K Z490)

[raw mist]

So should i just get a b450 mobo then? Cus i wanted pcie 4.0 cus its faster in rendering and editing and stuff

[earnest olive]

not quite that simple

do you have a gen 4 ssd?

do you need b550 feature set?

[raw mist]

not gen 4 ssd

and whats a b550 feature set

@earnest olive

[storm flume]

• MB: AsRock B450M Pro 4

• APU: Ryzen 5 3400G

That is my build, and I'm happy to say it's working, but I'm only getting VGA output, no HDMI

[earnest olive]

should be looking more at individual board than just the chipset.. either way b550 isn't expensive so no problem grabbing a b550 board if you aren't on a super tight budget

and if you're vertical mounting you are certainly not on a tight budget

[storm flume]

I have installed windows 10, but I have not messed with anything in the bios or anything else

[earnest olive]

@storm flume try installing radeon software? i haven't had any problems with HDMI not working out of the box in APU builds but might be fixable

[toxic widget]

Hey I have a question would y’all recommend the Asus Prime X570-Pro?

[earnest olive]

do you have more than 1 gpu?

do you have more than 1 gen 4 nvme ssd?

[raw mist]

well i have an nzxt h510i case, and it comes with the vertical gpu mount so why not do it lol...but i heard the mount sits too close to the tempered glass so i rly dont know what i should do

[earnest olive]

if you answered no to both of those questions you're fine with b550

ah if you're using an included vertical mount yeah you're gonna be choking the gpu even more than that case already chokes it

i wouldn't

my old case had an included vertical mount but i avoided it like the plague

[raw mist]

dam but vert mounting looks so good

[earnest olive]

frame drops when it starts thermal throttling looks less good

[raw mist]

tru tru

[earnest olive]

you rather look at your game or your gpu

[raw mist]

yeah lol

[earnest olive]

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-VGPUKT_02-Universal-Vertical-Pci/dp/B07MW73HTJ/

something like this can work if you really want to vertical mount

adapts the horizontal pcie slots so you can vertical mount without pressing your gpu against the glass

i keep my gpu horizontal mounted so i can use it as a table for my figurine

[kind basin]

what is it with figurines in cases i dont get it

[earnest olive]

well, why not?

[kind basin]

idk

just why

[earnest olive]

might as well ask why people spend an extra $40 on rgb ram

or an extra $100 on rgb fans

some people just want to make their rig theirs

not like it blocks airflow or anything

[kind basin]

yeah ok

dont aorus graphics cards come with a little figurine

[earnest olive]

not sure, wasn't able to buy the aorus master 3080 i wanted 🙂

$20 figurine cheaper than $20 price premium on rgb ram

so why not?

cheaper than vertical mounting too

[raw mist]

Will this be ok for the nzxt h510i?

[earnest olive]

says universal

[raw mist]

oh okay

wait the case already has a bracket tho...

[earnest olive]

only use if you have no other pcie devices though

yeah but this one adapts the horizontal brackets so the gpu isn't shoved up against the glass

[raw mist]

i have a crucial p1 ssd

[earnest olive]

oh i meant in the actual pcie slots

[raw mist]

oh

[earnest olive]

m.2 pcie is fine

[raw mist]

wait whats the difference between adapting the horizontal brackets

[earnest olive]

like i said..

[raw mist]

and the one that comes with the case

[earnest olive]

the gpu is not shoved up against the glass

[raw mist]

why would it be in the first place? im sorry im trying to understand im new to this sort of thing

[earnest olive]

which one do you think is closer to the glass..

[raw mist]

ohhhhh

i get it now haha

alright thanks for the help man

[earnest olive]

mhm

[ember creek]

hey guys whats better MSI meg x570 or asus rog strix x570

[raw mist]

do u even need x570 @ember creek

[ember creek]

yes

i want one

i dont one a b550

[raw mist]

why? do u have a gen 4 ssd?

[ember creek]

yes

[raw mist]

more than one?

[ember creek]

no but maybe

[raw mist]

and do u have more than one gpu?

[ember creek]

no

which one is better

[raw mist]

honestly, save ur money n go b550

what cpu are u using anyways?

[ember creek]

5600x

shoauld i get the B550 gaming edge

[raw mist]

yeah b550 should be fine

[ember creek]

MSi

[raw mist]

the tomohawk b550 is good

[ember creek]

is it better

[raw mist]

msi b550 a pro too

[ember creek]

plz tell me the best one

[raw mist]

the edge has wifi

[ember creek]

i need wifi

[raw mist]

u dont have ethernet?

[ember creek]

yah i do

[raw mist]

then use it its much faster

[ember creek]

but it wont reach to my room

[raw mist]

ohh

okay lemme check the prices real quick

[ember creek]

k

ill be back

[cursive flare]

cam someone please help@me out

my pc was booting up perfectly this morning then this happened

[ember creek]

hey @raw mist is there a board where i can run ethernet

and wifi

if i cant rech the ethernet

you got a lian li case @cursive flare

[raw mist]

they all run ethernet lol

[ember creek]

o than

ok

[raw mist]

and u can just buy a wifi adapter

but the msi gaming edge is fine

[ember creek]

i really want to get an x570 board

fpr teh future

[raw mist]

b550 is hella future proof trust

[ember creek]

ok

[raw mist]

x570 is overpriced

[ember creek]

ok

[covert vault]

@ember creek I have a X570 taichi and I love it

[raw mist]

and doesnt have too many good features

[raw mist]

overpriced tho lol

[covert vault]

Little bit pricy tho

Yeah

[ember creek]

i mena i can spent alot

i got a good budget

[covert vault]

Whats your budget if you dont mind-

[ember creek]

like 2k

[cursive flare]

huh?

[raw mist]

@ember creek ill make u a build bro what gpu u want?

[covert vault]

Mm nooce. R u doing water cooled kr anything?

[ember creek]

i am waiting on the cpu and gpu

idk

i already havea build that i am ordering

[raw mist]

oh ai

[covert vault]

@cursive flare Is it the red light that you are talking about?

[ember creek]

i ordeed the corsair ll series fans yesterday 6 fo r180

ppretty good price

[cursive flare]

yeah

[ember creek]

and i need nine

[cursive flare]

my cpu is fine ig cus my pc was turning on this morning

[covert vault]

Okay. That never happendd before?

[cursive flare]

nope i just built it

[ember creek]

what was your build

[covert vault]

Were you ever able to boot it

[ember creek]

also what a better mouse the g502 or modle o

[cursive flare]

r7 3700x, b550 tomahawk, 32 gb of ram, 1070 ssc and ya

[cursive flare]

yeah

[covert vault]

And did it boot into bios?

[ember creek]

also what a better mouse the g502 or modle o

[cursive flare]

yeah

[ember creek]

@raw mist help

[cursive flare]

is it normal?

[covert vault]

Oop

[cursive flare]

pm me rhe link

[ember creek]

hello

can someone helpo me

also what a better mouse the g502 or modle o

should i get an aio

[steep wedge]

@ember creek what cpu u got?

[ember creek]

i am getting 5600x

[steep wedge]

hmmm

do you plan to do overclocking?

[ember creek]

should i get an x570 board

maybe

[steep wedge]

well I would get an aio if your planning on doing things like overclock

[ember creek]

yah ok

what about an x570

board

and what mouse

[steep wedge]

wait what cpu was it?

[little osprey]

[ember creek]

5600x

[steep wedge]

the full name

[ember creek]

ryzen 5 5600x

[steep wedge]

oh

[ember creek]

i am gettign it

[steep wedge]

you should be able to get a z490 mobo and have that

[ember creek]

why?

[steep wedge]

im just giving an alternative

[ember creek]

ok

also what a better mouse the g502 or modle o

what about this

[steep wedge]

I don't know much about mice

:/

[obsidian dove]

Hey quick question so the asus tuf geforce gtx 1650 super is out of stock again does it matter if its that one? or is msi's the same

[stoic island]

what

@steep wedge z490 is an intel motherboard chipset

[ember creek]

hey @stoic island

[stoic island]

@ember creek I'd say Model O

[steep wedge]

frick

[ember creek]

should i get an x570 board @stoic island

[steep wedge]

I have horrible memory

[stoic island]

Logitech does have some double clicking issues depending on the mouse

[ember creek]

its the hero

[stoic island]

Meh, B550 is usually just as good for cheaper

[steep wedge]

anyways ima just shut up before i tell someone something completely wrong

[ember creek]

@stoic island i am talking about the g52 hero

[stoic island]

I mean, like a 170$ B550 Aorus elite wifi

[ember creek]

g502

[stoic island]

oh

yea

I thought you were talking about the board

[ember creek]

so whih one

[stoic island]

Model o

[ember creek]

and also can i unbanned from my other account

ok

Why?

[stoic island]

Pretty sure g502 has some doubleclicking issues

Model o also lighter

[ember creek]

what better asus rog strix gaming f or e

x570

@stoic island

[obsidian dove]

hey question so ofc i missed the tuf gtx 1650 super before it went out of sock again.... Anyone know where i can get one or one better for the same price

[rancid pasture]

Am I overpaying a 1650 super at 235 after taxes

[vital warren]

yeah

[stoic island]

that's about what the price of a 1660 super should be

usd wise

@ember creek Why not B550?

[stable cobalt]

Does anyone know why I cannot put a question mark in my windows product key? The code I purchased has one and i cannot input the mark

[red gull]

it shouldn't have one

letters and numbers only i believe

[stable cobalt]

for some reason the key that was emailed has it 0_0

[eager flower]

Then you got scammed or it isn’t a question mark

[torn token]

My friend wants to know if this is a good pc

He wants "Hi-End"

He says he willing to pay a high price for something tht is really good

[severe axle]

then I'd build one, going to be better value

[torn token]

Well, he doesn't want to build one 🤦🏾‍♀️ so he wanted a ...wats it called...a already built PC

Sigh. Lol. It's hard to want to buy something knowing it'll be better building and having no knowledge about building it

I'm sure he'll learn how to do to once he buys

[rancid pasture]

Can someone link me an affordable psu to stay around my 700 budget? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M7RGj2 (preferably one withought a rebate offer)

[little leaf]

@torn token to put it simply no it’s terrible

Check this out on @Newegg: ABS Gladiator Gaming PC - Intel i7 10700F - GeForce RTX 3080 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD this would be better but its still betrt to diy

Check this out on @Newegg: ABS Gladiator Gaming PC - Intel i7 10700F - GeForce RTX 3080 - 16GB DDR4 3000MHz - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali440/p/N82E16883360024?Item=N82E16883360024&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-024-_-11282020

[raw mist]

what is the best Budget b550 motherboard? around 90 - 110 dollars

[little leaf]

Definitely better to do it your self but if he really wants a prebuilt get a 3080 build

[torn token]

Lemme check it out and send it to him

Thanks so much

[little leaf]

Its back ordered by 3-5 days but I would say its much better

[torn token]

Can I not send links here?

Well he was looking at this one

Too

From microcenter

And now he's comparing this one to the one u sent. I think they're basically the same lmao

[vital warren]

get the one w the 3080

[torn token]

3080?

Oh the graphics card

So the one from newegg is better?

[stoic island]

@raw mist B550m pro4

Yes

@torn token RTX 3080 is drastically better than RTX 3070

[fleet pagoda]

^

I ordered the b550m pro4 matx

😍

[wanton cliff]

3080 Ti?

[fleet pagoda]

3080

[torn token]

Thanks

[austere condor]

time to build 😉

[little osprey]

Nice

[wheat coral]

lol keli

looks like one of evga's super clocked cards

[little osprey]

Yep, it is a EVGA

Took a closer look on the image.

[wheat coral]

yeah a 1070