#building-and-recc-chat

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earnest olive
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alright

cloud oasis
earnest olive
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i don't think buying a 1080p60 monitor for $100 is a good idea

covert glade
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I'm just trying to get a build up and running for now, and upgrade when I get some more money

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I already have a 1080p 144hz

earnest olive
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look at local used market, i've seen 1080p60 24" monitors including hdmi cable for as low as $30

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got one for my mom cause her laptop screen too small

cloud oasis
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If u have a 1080p 144hz wouldnt spend 100$ for a second

earnest olive
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this is really expensive for 3600C18 ram

small heron
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Ots rgb tho so its fine

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Its

earnest olive
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if you really need rgb go for crucial ballistix rgb

weak field
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1200$ for that.......

covert glade
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ye rgb for more fps

weak field
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maybe fix

earnest olive
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you can get 3600C16 rgb ram for cheaper

weak field
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^

earnest olive
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and it comes in white and black

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whichever one u prefer

weak field
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crucial ballistax

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ballistix

earnest olive
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much better than that overpriced 3600C18

small heron
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@earnest olive ur wrong that doesn't have as much rgb

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Smh

earnest olive
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wouldn't recommend this mobo especially if you are going for a cpu upgrade

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looks like enough rgb to me

covert glade
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Should i go for a b550?

small heron
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Nah

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@covert glade asus b550 strix gaming II

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Ezpz

cloud oasis
earnest olive
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you can get a b550 phantom gaming 4 for a similar price

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would remove 1 case fan and just run 3 intake 1 exhaust

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positive pressure is nice

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just look for a used second monitor on local marketplace

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u don't need something fancy for second monitor

small heron
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Use the stock cooler

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Smh

earnest olive
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my second monitor is 14 years old but it's 1080p60

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there is nothing wrong with buying a cm 212

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stock cooler is louder and hotter

small heron
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40 dollars you dont have to spend

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Smh

earnest olive
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i mean

covert glade
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I mean when I upgrade my cpu I'll want a better cooler either way

earnest olive
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you don't have to spend anything

chrome flare
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that moment your motherboard refuses to bios flashback, meaning you cant setup your pc :/ fml. A month of waiting for AMD's tech to take a massive turd.

covert glade
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might aswell get one now to take advantage

earnest olive
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that's a poor argument

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"why use rtx 3070 when gt 710 can power your monitor that's $460 you don't have to spend"

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paying more for a better product is fine

small heron
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Gt710 is a beast

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Wdym

earnest olive
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i used a cm 212 on a 3600x for a while, it's pretty good, will work well with a 5600x or 5800x as well

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so don't worry about it @covert glade

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it's a good purchase

covert glade
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ty

small heron
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Read my status ๐Ÿค—

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Ezpz

earnest olive
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if you're not going to be serious then please get out of a serious help chat

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nobody thinks it's funny

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you are just wasting peoples' time

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seriously have no patience for people like this

chrome flare
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anyone know any methods to bios flashback a motherboard to work with zen3?

mortal void
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is stock 3600 cooler fine? or should I try and find a budget option?

earnest olive
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what board you got?

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stock cooler on the 3600 is fine

chrome flare
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msi b550 gaming edge wifi

earnest olive
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but upgrading is also fine

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it depends

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@chrome flare okay take a look at your rear I/O

chrome flare
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also the flash bios button on mine doesnt work

earnest olive
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do you have the usb plugged into the highlighted usb port?

chrome flare
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yes

earnest olive
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is the bios file on the root directory of the usb drive?

chrome flare
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root

earnest olive
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like just E:\

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no folders

chrome flare
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yes

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that method doesnt work for me

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tried about 14 times now

earnest olive
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is the USB drive formatted as FAT32 or something else

chrome flare
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fat32

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but my mobo refuses to work for it

earnest olive
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is your power supply switched on and everything is properly plugged in on the mobo?

chrome flare
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yes

earnest olive
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everything is already installed except cpu?

chrome flare
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everything is installed

earnest olive
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what happens when you press the button?

chrome flare
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nothing

earnest olive
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did you change the BIOS file name to MSI.ROM

chrome flare
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it also doesnt detect my gpu

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so i think its just a faulty board

earnest olive
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answer the question

desert gulch
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I'd try the other 16x pcie slot

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Imo

chrome flare
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highly doubt thatll do anything

earnest olive
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it's in the instructions

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so...

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i've done this process on a bricked msi board before

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if you're not even going to try don't bother asking

desert gulch
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Had a friend who bought a used b450 and wasn't recognizing gpu

chrome flare
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instructions arent working to bios flash it lol

desert gulch
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Told him to switch slots and it worked

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He got scammed a lil lol

brazen slate
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Hm.

chrome flare
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oof

earnest olive
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if you aren't willing to rename a file then i'm just wasting my time here

chrome flare
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ive said yes to all your questions, clearly i know how to do it

desert gulch
chrome flare
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but im guessing something is interfering or the mobo is just junk

earnest olive
desert gulch
earnest olive
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whatever, some people don't want to be helped

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can't change people

chrome flare
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i was asking for other methods

earnest olive
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i've literally fixed bricked msi board before using this button but it's alright you can keep acting like you know everything when i'm trying to help you

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lol

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i got better things to do

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anyone else feel free to ping me if you have a question

chrome flare
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i think im just going to return my 5600x and try to sell my mobo, then get a zen2 cpu and a different board brand. Probably go x570 this time

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zen3 isnt worth going through all this trouble shooting when none of it is working xD

brazen slate
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I...

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Seriously?

mortal void
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just put it in rice weggsmug

desert gulch
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Bruh

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Just listen to sips

brazen slate
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If the fix exists, fix it @chrome flare

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If there is none, return and buy another board

earnest olive
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"renaming a file is too hard i'm just going to sell all my stuff instead" i really do not get people lol

brazen slate
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Otherwise you're just wasting money at this point

chrome flare
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the suggested fix is a fix ive tried which doesnt work

desert gulch
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Just listen to sips

earnest olive
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so how hard is it to say "yes" lmao

sullen spoke
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so what happened here

chrome flare
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i never said i couldnt rename the file

desert gulch
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He literally has told you how to do it

brazen slate
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Maybe you're doing it wrong

chrome flare
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i did that whole process to a T

brazen slate
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Maybe you need more details to how to fix it

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Unless it's obvious enough idk

sullen spoke
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there are the online suggested fixes, and then there are people with experience

earnest olive
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i wasn't even done with suggestions but you've shown that you don't want help so it's whatever man

chrome flare
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I watched a few yt vids, read my manual for my mobo and cpu and stuff from MSI as well

earnest olive
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you do you

pearl blade
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you guys are talking about bios flash?

brazen slate
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Eh, idk lol

chrome flare
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yes but mine doesnt work

brazen slate
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Just know that dude won't accept help

earnest olive
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don't ask for help if you think you know everything please

desert gulch
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Yeah

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Marshi just won't listen

earnest olive
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waste of time

chrome flare
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@earnest olive your logic is faulty

desert gulch
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He thinks he's knows everything

sullen spoke
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umm this isn't a cpu problem, if there is a hardware problem with anything it would likely be only one part

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patience helps when you are stressed

pearl blade
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PumpkinThink idk, i'm dumb enough to get an x570 just to use zen 2 cpu in it

brazen slate
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^

desert gulch
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Ghosty he's using a 5600x on a 500 series

chrome flare
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I have literally said this method doesnt work, and asked for any others

desert gulch
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If you didn't know

earnest olive
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seems a little less faulty when everyone is agreeing but alright man

sullen spoke
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oh possibly bios update than, idk the details on the 5000 series

earnest olive
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i was about to move onto something else but now i just don't want to help you anymore

pearl blade
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yea, honestly not many ppl got the 5000 yet

chrome flare
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you werent helping anyway so go on

earnest olive
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have fun selling your board

desert gulch
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Lol

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Have fun paying to ship it

sullen spoke
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it's more that you aren't accepting his help rather than him not helping

chrome flare
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i never refused help :/

covert glade
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@chrome flare bruh you got lucky enough to get a 5600x and you're just going to sell it because you don't want to troubleshoot?

earnest olive
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"ah this idiot keeps asking me about things i've already done how dare he not read my mind and know exactly what i've done"

desert gulch
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^

brazen slate
chrome flare
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i sat here for like 4 hours trying various things to fix this issue

earnest olive
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like how do you expect me to not cover the bases before moving on to alternatives

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okay and do you think i'm watching you or what

brazen slate
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Just ask for their help if you can't even find one fix

chrome flare
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my bad, I'll go to actual professionals, sorry

earnest olive
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ah yes not me that runs a pc selling business

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definitely could not be a professional

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๐Ÿ™‚

sullen spoke
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why come here at all than lol

earnest olive
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exactly what i'm wondering

chrome flare
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thought i could be helped but now you're all arguing like toddlers

covert glade
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"your free help isn't helpful enough"

earnest olive
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don't ask for help if you

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are going to block it with your ego ๐Ÿ™‚

chrome flare
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help cannot be supplied so i'll seek help elsewhere

earnest olive
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okay goodbye ๐Ÿ™‚

brazen slate
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@chrome flare All you had to do was say yes to help

chrome flare
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@brazen slate go back to school you cant read

brazen slate
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I can read

sullen spoke
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next time when you speak to the "professionals" try to answer their questions clearly and exactly rather than saying i don't think this will work

earnest olive
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ah yes, personal attacks, the #1 sign of a mature professional

brazen slate
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I also can request help Oh_No

earnest olive
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it's kind of hilarious how all you had to say was "yes"

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i'd probably have your issue fixed by now

chrome flare
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as uneducated as you obviously are, there's nothing you could have done

brazen slate
earnest olive
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ah yes really showing everyone how mature you are by personally attacking everyone ๐Ÿ™‚

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you are so cool man keep it up

covert glade
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marshi, you couldn't even answer a yes/no question, why are you trying to act all high and mighty?

sullen spoke
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also i find when i am struggling with something spending hours on troubleshooting it helps to rest a bit, sometimes the solution is easier than it seems. can be as simple as forgetting to flip a switch

earnest olive
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anyways back to productive things feel free to ping me if any help is needed

sullen spoke
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@earnest olive halp i cant move my arm

earnest olive
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have you tried not being a ghost

sullen spoke
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i do have one pc problemo, all my games stutter to no end with discord window open -_-

desert gulch
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oof

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discord uses %100 gpu

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lmao

sullen spoke
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at 1gb ram rn

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i love discord

desert gulch
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lol same

earnest olive
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@sullen spoke try this: settings > appearance > turn off hardware acceleration

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could help if the stutters are from gpu

sullen spoke
desert gulch
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sips your help isnt helping us

sullen spoke
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ye thats already turned off

desert gulch
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im gonna be marshi from now on

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arggg

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lol

sullen spoke
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i even have reduced motion on

desert gulch
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pog

earnest olive
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some games take issue with discord overlay

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do you have that on?

sullen spoke
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nope

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lol

earnest olive
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interesting, that's about all the effect discord really has on hardware

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currently it's using 0.3% cpu, 400 mb ram, and 0% gpu for me

sullen spoke
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its really annoying, league mostly has no problem but a simple game like osu that i can run 1800fps with 10% cpu 5% gpu gets fatal stuttering with discord open

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i could try messing with oc settings

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or just default everything and see if it persists lol

earnest olive
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i took my stable undervolt and then added an extra 13mV back to it just to be super safe

sullen spoke
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my gpu is stock iirc but my ram and oc are oc. they have been tested the cpu gets a bit hot but the most ive found i can do for that is deliding which im not sure i want to do given this is a 8th gen intel

cloud oasis
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Techie helping techie

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Rare

earnest olive
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of course i love ghosty โค๏ธ

sullen spoke
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but tbh i haven't successfully run p95 even with stock cpu settings without reaching at least 95-100c lol

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yes techie v techie

earnest olive
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have you run any mem tests?

sullen spoke
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yes, the last time i did i cant remember for how long but it seemed to be stable, i know that can cause wacky things

earnest olive
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on my old board my 3800MHz CL16 overclock would run stable for a bit but error out and crashed after 9 hours of stability testing

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on new board passed 16 hours

sullen spoke
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i actually might play around with oc settings tmrw if i dont have any cleaning to do

earnest olive
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can also see if slightly increasing VCCIO/VCCSA does anything to help

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what do you have those as?

deep skiff
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b die?

sullen spoke
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hmm vccio i might have a bit lower than whatever the auto was, and no it's not b die from what i could find

earnest olive
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might help with stability but the problem could also be completely unrelated to ram oc, either way it doesn't hurt to try

sullen spoke
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through aida it's readying 1.224 rn

earnest olive
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i'm running 1.1 vsoc for my 3800c16

covert glade
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sips i know this isnt really pc related but do you have any good mid-range/budget chair recommendations?

earnest olive
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might be able to tune it a little down but i haven't bothered yet

sullen spoke
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hmm

earnest olive
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idk i'm just using a chair i found on sale at costco

covert glade
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fair enough lol

earnest olive
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you can just go to your local office depot and pick up a good office chair

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this one's a gaming chair but it's got a bunch of office chair certifications

sullen spoke
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office chairs are comfy, no need to spend extra on gaming haha, idk any specific ones tho

earnest olive
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those office chairs are designed to support your back well for sitting for hours

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take care of your body

summer pasture
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How many fans should I buy

earnest olive
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depends on your budget and your hardware

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i don't have a budget so i have as many fans as my case fits

sullen spoke
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im sitting with 1 intake 1outtake rn xD

summer pasture
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I dont want to spend more than 80

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Usd

chrome flare
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you can get quite a few with that

earnest olive
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what case do you have?

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you can easily max out most cases with 80

summer pasture
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Cougar mx330

earnest olive
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ah

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so one rear exhaust right?

summer pasture
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Is maxing out good though

chrome flare
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depends

summer pasture
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Yeah rn 1 exhaust

earnest olive
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i don't remember if it has an intake it's been a while since i used one

summer pasture
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Yeah no intake

covert glade
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what components are you using?

summer pasture
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Rx 570 but that will be changed soon and r5 3600

earnest olive
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well your case supports 5 fans in total

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but i would say don't bother with top fans unless you're liquid cooling (which then your top fans will be supplied already)

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so you'd be fine just adding 2 intakes to the front

summer pasture
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Ok so 2 intake 1 exhaust

earnest olive
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yeah

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the mx330 is pretty well designed for traditional airflow pattern

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do you want rgb fans or just best performance possible?

summer pasture
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Thanks will do, should I go for more expensive fans?

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Rgb would be nice

earnest olive
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4-pin or 3-pin?

summer pasture
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Ummmmm does it make a difference or is it based on mobo

earnest olive
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based on mobo mostly

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what mobo you got?

summer pasture
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I have a b450 gigabyte pro wifi

earnest olive
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aorus pro wifi?

summer pasture
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Yes

earnest olive
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alright you've got 2 4-pin rgb headers and 2 3-pin argb headers

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from personal experience 3-pin fans are much better color-wise

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i was looking for a 4-pin fan recently for my rear exhaust

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bought 2 different ones that could not accurately do white

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then realized i had a 1-to-4 3-pin splitter so i just put a 3-pin fan there and works like a charm

summer pasture
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Ok so is there any specific fans that you reccomend

earnest olive
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the one i'm using is out of stock now so i'll take a look

summer pasture
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Ok thanks

earnest olive
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nice and quiet 24.6 dB rating

summer pasture
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Ok thanks, needed that help

earnest olive
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no problem

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let me know how it goes

summer pasture
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Ok, actually while were talking about cooling i bought my gpu 2 months ago will reapply thermal paste do anything

earnest olive
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2 months ago? probably not

desert gulch
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nah thermal paste lasts a while longer

earnest olive
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is your gpu overheating?

summer pasture
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Around 80c under load

earnest olive
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the paste they use in the factory is designed to not be the best in terms of thermal conductivity, but last for many years without too much degradation, since the vast majority of consumers don't want to open their graphics card

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you could replace it with something like mx-4 if you wanted

desert gulch
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80 junction or not?

summer pasture
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Junction?

earnest olive
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are you already undervolting the card? if not, you may have more success with undervolting it

desert gulch
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junction temp is where the temp is hottest

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like near the die

covert glade
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sips is there a reason that people recommend the 3600 over the 2700x?

summer pasture
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It says 80c in msi afterburner never goes over

desert gulch
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3600 is more recent

summer pasture
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And no im not undervolting

desert gulch
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and works in a b550 and x570

covert glade
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ah ok that makes sense

desert gulch
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yeah

earnest olive
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yeah undervolting can help you drop that temp by 10C or more without losing performance

summer pasture
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Is undervolting safe

earnest olive
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depends on how lucky you get

desert gulch
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you cant use a 2700x in a b550

summer pasture
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Ok

earnest olive
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yeah i've undervolted many builds

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the best result i got was from a 2070 super ventus with a really inadequate cooler

summer pasture
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Nice, i might still re do paste

earnest olive
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stock : 1860mhz, 1.05V, 87C
undervolted: 1905mhz, 0.9V, 76C

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higher performance at lower temperature

desert gulch
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sips doesnt it void warranty to repaste?

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on gpu

earnest olive
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they usually put a sticker on one of the mounting screws so they can know if you opened it up

desert gulch
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yeah

earnest olive
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but iirc that's not actually legal for them to deny you warranty based on that

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worst case... buy a replacement circular sticker

desert gulch
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lol

summer pasture
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Im not keeping my gpu for longer than 6 months so it doesnt bother me too much

desert gulch
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painter's tape it back together xD

covert glade
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that sounds extremely illegal but i like what your thinking

earnest olive
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i used to disassemble my video card like once a month to deep clean the heatsink and the back of the fans

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because my long haired cat really liked to hang out in my room

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but we don't let him upstairs anymore after he had a ...bathroom incident

desert gulch
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oof

earnest olive
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so i no longer have to clean my pc nearly as often

desert gulch
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you dont have filtered intake?

summer pasture
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Can i undervolt in afterburner

earnest olive
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well yes

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i had dust filters and cleared them every 2 days

desert gulch
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nice

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i clean mine like weekly

earnest olive
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but dust filters aren't 100%

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you can, but for a radeon card i find that radeon software is better

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when i had an rx 570 i undervolted it in radeon software

desert gulch
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sips my radeon software hasnt worked since i updated it

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any suggestions?

earnest olive
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msi afterburner support for radeon cards is not as great as for nvidia cards

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well

summer pasture
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Ok, any tips on undervolting, if not i can figure it out

earnest olive
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when i was overclocking my rx 570 for competition

desert gulch
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it says driver and software versions dont match

earnest olive
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i pushed it within an inch of its life

covert glade
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wait wdym competition

desert gulch
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and try opening after updating to latest version

earnest olive
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was running 3dmark and the entire screen turned green and started artifacting

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then the pc crashed

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after that my radeon software didn't want to work anymore

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i ended up fixing it by using DDU

covert glade
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its mad at you

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have you tried saying sorry?

earnest olive
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so maybe DDU will work for you too

desert gulch
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how do i do that?

summer pasture
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Any tips on undervolting

earnest olive
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@covert glade no, i asserted dominance by selling it for twice as much as i paid for it

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pretty straightforward software

desert gulch
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ok

covert glade
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gamer moment

earnest olive
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bought that rx 570 open box for $80

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flipped it in a customer rig for msrp

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was from a local guy i know wouldn't mess up a card

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otherwise wouldn't take that risk

summer pasture
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I didnt really do enough research before my first build, i didnt even consider cooling or asthetics

earnest olive
covert glade
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sexy

summer pasture
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Is a liquid aio worth the price

earnest olive
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guy wanted a budget workstation that could do light gaming so 3700x + rx 570 was a pretty good pairing

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not for a 3600

covert glade
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depends on the cpu

earnest olive
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...i say as i run a $130 360mm aio on my 3600x that i bought because it was pretty

summer pasture
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Yeah i just love the look

covert glade
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i mean

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is it rgb?

earnest olive
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anyways if you want to buy it for looks and you have a lot of money to spare then go for it

summer pasture
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Regular+ bois

desert gulch
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THANKS SO MUCH SIPS

earnest olive
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but if it would dig into budget you would allocate elsewhere, then no

desert gulch
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it worked

earnest olive
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nice

covert glade
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your system, if you think the looks are worth the extra price then go for it

earnest olive
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glad I could help

summer pasture
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Nope im just gonna save for a better gpu

desert gulch
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pog its been a month since ive been able to open radeon software lol

earnest olive
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yeah I've spent like $350 on purely decorative items for my pc

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and I don't regret it

desert gulch
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sips you need ROG RGB wifi router next

earnest olive
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makes me happy every time I look to the right and that doesn't have a price

covert glade
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if you're gonna be using it everyday it might as well look nice lol

earnest olive
summer pasture
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Yeah i wish i didnt buy red painted ram

desert gulch
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wow sick

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whered you get it

earnest olive
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a dude on etsy

desert gulch
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sick

earnest olive
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I made the design

desert gulch
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do they sell them in red?

earnest olive
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if you want one I can send you the design

desert gulch
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i may pog one if they do

earnest olive
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it's full rgb

desert gulch
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yes pwease

summer pasture
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Yeah that is nice

earnest olive
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5V and 12V available

desert gulch
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does it plug into a fan port?

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like a 3 or 4 pin?

earnest olive
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rgb header

desert gulch
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nice

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i have all mine open

earnest olive
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also includes a molex powered wireless transmitter and a remote controller

desert gulch
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sick

earnest olive
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costs $38 with shipping

desert gulch
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nice price too

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wheres the link?

earnest olive
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I'll dm you idk if I'm allowed to link like that lol

desert gulch
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lol ok

summer pasture
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I looked at a pc part picker list and just decided that it was good enough

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When i built

earnest olive
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i made some mistakes with part selection on my first build

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but it wasn't terrible overall

desert gulch
#

pog

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i may make one myself hmmm

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that stand thing

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gotta choose something real flammable first

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so it has epic fire design

earnest olive
summer pasture
#

I mean my build isnt awful just not good

earnest olive
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cpu was a good choice, ssd was fine, gpu was a good deal, psu is a great choice, monitor is alright, keyboard/mouse pretty good for the price

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mobo was fine since B550 wasn't out yet

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HDD was from my laptop so not much choice there

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main problem was the RAM and case

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i didn't know what cas latency was at the time so i happily bought the 3600C18 instead of a 3600C16 kit

desert gulch
#

sips how does that gpu stand attach to the gpu?

earnest olive
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and the case had pretty poor airflow

summer pasture
#

When was that

desert gulch
#

does it have a ledge behind it to sit on?

earnest olive
#

january 2020

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was my first desktop only used laptops before that

summer pasture
#

What you know this much but put together your first build onr month before me

earnest olive
#

my cable management was not good

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definitely not the worst i've ever seen but not good at all

desert gulch
#

sips i think i win cable management

summer pasture
earnest olive
#

3/10

summer pasture
#

Here is mine

earnest olive
#

i've been refraining from posting a full build pic until i get my upgraded gpu, but rest assured i can do cables a lot better than that now

desert gulch
#

what would you rate mine?

summer pasture
#

Very nice, how many personal builds have you done

earnest olive
#

@summer pasture might be able to make this look better by wrapping it around the fan

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personal builds? 2-3 depending on if you count a partial rebuild as a build

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customer builds i've done 21 so far

desert gulch
#

pog

#

sips build me a system with 3090 and 5950x pwease

summer pasture
#

Good idea i could find what to do with that, also wow 21 build in that span of time is impressive

desert gulch
#

i cant spend more than 1k tho

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lol

earnest olive
#

hmm

summer pasture
desert gulch
#

i need 3090 and 5950x at least for my roblox lets-plays

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at least

earnest olive
#

i think i would rate your cables 8/10

desert gulch
#

if not quad-3090

#

wait my cable management sips?

earnest olive
#

this isn't great but i also recognize that the routing hole next to the motherboard is probably too close

summer pasture
#

No you need 64 core threadripper, also thanks i did them yesterday

earnest olive
summer pasture
#

Yeah a bit too close

desert gulch
#

yeah i didnt want to put too much stress on usb3 and 24 pin ports

summer pasture
#

How would i do that?

earnest olive
#

yeah those are a "what can you do" situation

desert gulch
#

yup

earnest olive
#

but the cpu fan cable you could definitely hide

desert gulch
#

yeah

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like route it up and behind the mobo then pop back out and into port?

earnest olive
#

i was thinking more hide it around the vrm heatsink area

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prob not long enough for that

desert gulch
#

hmmm yeah maybe

covert glade
#

couldnt you just hide it underneath the cpu cooler?

summer pasture
#

It pops back up

desert gulch
#

lemme see if i can find old pic of pc lol

covert glade
#

f

summer pasture
#

Yeah

desert gulch
#

i used to have the worst cable management

summer pasture
#

I will make myself a nicer build in like 1 or 2 years

earnest olive
#

here's a similar build i did where i wrapped the cpu fan cable around the vrm heatsink, you can see it if you look for it but otherwise it's pretty unnoticeable

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something like that

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this was a ~30 minute build

desert gulch
#

sips you wanna see something that might hurt your brain?

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this is legit a pic of what my pc used to look like

earnest olive
#

dude

desert gulch
#

i did unplug a couple fan cables but thats it

earnest olive
#

nothing can hurt me more than my best friend's pc

earnest olive
#

you can't see his cables... but for the wrong reason

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he used to have cables worse than that

desert gulch
#

lol rly?

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thats not possibel

earnest olive
#

looked like kraken attacking his graphic card

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but now you can't see them

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because

desert gulch
#

He cut them?

earnest olive
#

his brother dropped the glass panel and it did the thing tempered glass does where it shatters internally without coming apart

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but then decided to just put the panel back on

desert gulch
#

Nooooo

earnest olive
#

so now all you can see is broken glass

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LOL

summer pasture
#

Oh my

earnest olive
#

i'd rather see bad cables than broken glass

desert gulch
#

At least it was tempered

#

Non tempered woulda been a mess

summer pasture
#

Idk maybe make the broken glass look cool

earnest olive
#

i've seen it

#

trust me it does not look cool

desert gulch
#

Lol

#

Do you have a pic?

summer pasture
#

Yeah youd have to be lucky to make it break and look good

desert gulch
#

Hit it with hammer

earnest olive
desert gulch
#

Pog

summer pasture
#

Yeah not cool

earnest olive
#

i told him he'd be better off just running it without the side panel, who knows one day it'll come apart and drop broken glass all over his pc

desert gulch
#

Yeah

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It's still got the protector lmao

vital oracle
earnest olive
#

i think it's beyond protecting

#

wow

desert gulch
#

That's gotta suck breaking it before even peeling it

earnest olive
#

i was expecting that to be a $850 list

#

not a $950 list

#

but i will try!

desert gulch
#

Lol

earnest olive
#

first order of business is to replace that 1660Ti with a 1660 super

desert gulch
#

1660 super

#

Same timing

#

Poggg

#

Mobo next?

#

Go matx?

summer pasture
#

Less powerful psu

covert glade
#

3600 is basically the 3600x

summer pasture
#

I dont think you need 600w

covert glade
#

but like 40$ cheaper

earnest olive
covert glade
#

sips how are you so good at this

earnest olive
covert glade
#

your like a wizard

earnest olive
#

both ~$850 with less than 3% performance drop

little osprey
#

can a techie kid help me

#

with this

earnest olive
#

i do this too much @covert glade

little osprey
#

and intel h110 chipset

#

what is possible to upgrade

#

its a prebuilt

earnest olive
#

would not bother honestly

little osprey
#

its gonna be a fun project with my dad

desert gulch
#

eww prebiult

#

id go new

little osprey
#

nope

earnest olive
#

h110 mobo means you're limited to kaby lake at best

desert gulch
#

whole new build

little osprey
#

ik loooooooook

#

it has a i5 7400

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which i can oc to 3.5

desert gulch
#

nasty

earnest olive
#

oc...?

#

bclk oc?

little osprey
#

boost

#

whatever you call it

desert gulch
#

lol

earnest olive
#

boost and oc are not the same thing

#

either way

desert gulch
#

turbo mode go brrrrr

earnest olive
#

it is not worth upgrading that at all

little osprey
#

yes

#

thats what i said

desert gulch
#

dont upgrade

little osprey
#

i said its near impossible

desert gulch
#

not worth

little osprey
#

ik ik

earnest olive
#

you can get a ryzen 3 3100 + budget b450 board for less price than a used i7-7700K

little osprey
#

but like

#

if its a lga 1151

#

does that not make

covert glade
#

sips what games do you play?

earnest olive
#

it's not compatible with 8th or 9th gen unless you mod it

summer pasture
#

Is boost something you can just turn on?

little osprey
#

wdym by mod it

earnest olive
#

pin modding

little osprey
#

i think this would be interesting

covert glade
#

i think it just boosts on its own turkey

earnest olive
#

not worth it anyways, it's a prebuilt H110 and won't be powerful enough to run higher power chips

summer pasture
#

Aah

earnest olive
#

probably has terrible VRMs

covert glade
#

but i could be completely wrong i honestly have 0 idea lol

vital oracle
#

@earnest olive what cpu cooler would be good for that build

earnest olive
#

which one?

vital oracle
#

bc you didnt put one

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one second

earnest olive
#

using stock coolers

vital oracle
earnest olive
#

the stock cooler on the i5-10400F won't be great but it'll work

#

you can always upgrade it later

#

it'll keep the cpu reasonably cool while gaming anyways

gleaming quartz
#

@earnest olive what is your opinion on ryzen stock coolers?

earnest olive
#

depends

little osprey
#

im told that you can play minecraft at 32 chunks smoothly with just a 5000 series chip lmfao

earnest olive
#

3800X and 3900X? no

covert glade
#

damn so powerful

little osprey
#

no discrete graphics card

earnest olive
#

3700X and below or 5600X? good enough

#

is it still worth upgrading? can be

gleaming quartz
covert glade
#

wait seriously

#

tf

#

why would someone have a 5000 series cpu and no gpu tho lol

earnest olive
#

stock cooler on 3800X is still usable if you don't mind noise

gleaming quartz
#

yeah itโ€™s really loud

little osprey
earnest olive
#

@little osprey i would not consider ever listening to that person about computers again, since the ryzen 5000 chips do not even have integrated graphics

little osprey
#

looooooooooooool

earnest olive
#

your pc will not turn on with a ryzen 5000 cpu and no gpu

summer pasture
#

My rx 570 fans sound like a jet engine when above %45

little osprey
#

fr theres no way

#

no gpu the entire system wont boot? bc of no integrated?

#

is it bc of the no integrated graphics

gleaming quartz
little osprey
#

so the pc will explosion

covert glade
#

pc go boom

little osprey
#

implode

gleaming quartz
#

I basically have an airplane for a computer noise-wise

summer pasture
#

I have an asrock gpu๐Ÿ˜”

covert glade
#

just tell it to shut up

little osprey
#

i told my dad a list for a build and hes been in the tech stuff for over 30 years

gleaming quartz
little osprey
#

and he called it bs

#

insanely stubborn

earnest olive
#

yeah your mobo will detect that there's no graphics at all and just give up

little osprey
#

LOOOOOL

covert glade
#

whats the list?

earnest olive
#

consumer mobos are not designed to run in "headless mode" as it's called

little osprey
#

9900k and whatnot

earnest olive
#

servers can run without any graphics though

little osprey
#

for $1100

#

not even kidding

covert glade
#

ew intel

little osprey
#

bruh

#

intel isnt bad ok just its in amd's shadow atm

summer pasture
#

My parents have the worst dell pc i have ever experienced

covert glade
#

i mean

earnest olive
#

product > brand

covert glade
#

ye ye

#

but currently its very difficult to justify intel cpus

little osprey
#

yeah

earnest olive
#

if you buy a $280 ryzen 5 3600 over a $180 i5-10400 right now you're out of your mind

covert glade
#

especially when 5000 series is in stock consistently

earnest olive
little osprey
#

ik

covert glade
#

3600 isnt 280 tf

little osprey
#

a 9900k for $300 at micro center btw

#

less than the 3700x

earnest olive
little osprey
#

and better i believe in most games

summer pasture
#

Isnt normal 5 5600 going yo be around the same a 5 3600x

earnest olive
#

the cheapest 3600 is currently $280.35 ๐Ÿ™‚

little osprey
#

ok

covert glade
#

it's out of stock on all of the realistic sellers

earnest olive
#

yes exactly

#

so if you're building a budget 6 core system right now

#

you go i5-10400

pearl blade
#

so is it a good idea to get the 3700x now before black friday since the sale isn't good anyway

summer pasture
#

I would rather wait for normal prices

covert glade
#

i mean yeah, but then you're stuck to intel unless you wanna buy a new mobo

#

and currently that just seems like a bad idea unless they come out with some new amazing cpus

earnest olive
#

moot point, 10th gen intel and ryzen 3000 both only have 1 generation left on their mobos

pearl blade
#

intel would probably take 2 generations until they are competitive again

earnest olive
#

ryzen 6000 will be using a different socket, different ram standard

#

both have the same level of upgradability

summer pasture
#

Im probably still going to be on 3600

covert glade
#

fair enough

earnest olive
#

i simply buy what makes sense given the circumstances

summer pasture
#

Well that is quite the stash

pearl blade
#

would getting a 3700x before blackfriday be a good idea? @earnest olive

earnest olive
#

depends

#

if it's for gaming try to get a 5600x instead

summer pasture
#

You have 5 cpus that are better than mine just sitting around

earnest olive
#

if it's for production workload then 3700x is still slightly better

pearl blade
#

planning for production, I'm just afraid the stock won't be back until end of december

summer pasture
#

I want to buy a 2060 but its so expensive

earnest olive
#

if you're doing only production and no gaming

#

then the 3700x does beat the 5600x

#

so proceed

little osprey
#

Iโ€™m contemplating life seeing all those CPUโ€™s

earnest olive
#

see if it qualifies for newegg's black friday price protection

summer pasture
#

True

earnest olive
#

but either way - pc parts are not really high margin items so black friday tend to not do a whole lot

#

black friday does a lot more to the prices of prebuilts/laptops

pearl blade
#

interesting and thanks, i do not think it qualifies the price production. it might end up being a better idea if i just wait for a week

little osprey
#

LOOOL

#

kaby lake

#

Intel Core i7-7740x

#

is the highest

earnest olive
#

here's an idea.. if you're not so desperate for one right now

little osprey
#

it is possible haha

earnest olive
#

you can try buying a 3700x right now at the very fair price of $305

#

and not open it

little osprey
#

loooooooooool

earnest olive
#

and then see what happens on black friday

#

if you see one cheaper then get it and return the one you bought for $305

#

unopened

#

if they are out of stock then you rejoice with the 3700x you have on hand

#

๐Ÿ™‚

covert glade
#

sips do you mind if i add you?

little osprey
#

the Intel Core i7-7740x is insane

#

i heard about it way back

#

about its performance

#

its very zippy zoom zap

earnest olive
#

what for? if you have tech questions you can simply ping

pearl blade
#

that's a good point, I might get it from amazon if I were going with that plan, since they have more humane return policies

covert glade
#

idk, you just seem chill

earnest olive
#

@little osprey the i7-7740x is not going to fit in your mobo

little osprey
#

is it too thicc

earnest olive
#

it's on a different socket

#

LGA2066

little osprey
#

oh dammit

#

DAMMIT

#

i forgot about the socket typeepepepepepepepeppep uugghhghghghg

earnest olive
#

seriously there's just nothing worth upgrading from an i5-7400 in an H110 mobo

little osprey
#

trusttttttttt

#

its possssssibllleeeee

#

according to my daddddd haha this is going to crash and bURNNNNn

earnest olive
#

your only options are i5-7500, i5-7600, i5-7600K, i7-7700, i7-7700K

little osprey
#

WHAT

#

a 7700k???

#

r u serious

#

ok

earnest olive
#

yeah that's the highest end chip that will go in your board

little osprey
#

ok

#

thank you

earnest olive
#

but it costs more than a new cpu and mobo that are better

#

so...

little osprey
#

yeah

#

L

#

look

#

im not an idiot, my dad just gave me no option

#

other than to upgrade it

earnest olive
#

yikes

summer pasture
#

What gpu dk you have in that build@little osprey

little osprey
#

for what

earnest olive
#

i can talk to him if you want

#

i'm very experienced with talking to parents about computer parts

summer pasture
#

Just wondering

pearl blade
#

da_heck maybe add things into the computer?

earnest olive
#

comes with running my business

little osprey
#

he'd kill me

#

hes very

#

difficult

earnest olive
#

i get a lot of parents wanting to buy a pc for their 8 year old to play fortnite and i have to explain to this 40 year old why they want a gtx 1660 super

little osprey
#

lmfao the rANGE

#

experience 100

#

forwnite

#

wenegade waider

pearl blade
#

that must be a challenge trying to convince the parent to spend 200-300 bucks

little osprey
#

my dad said that the clock speed

#

doesnt matter

#

HAHA

earnest olive
#

well

#

that's not entirely false

little osprey
#

i said that i want to learn and run glsl

#

and its kinda dependent

#

so like

earnest olive
#

clock speed only really matters when you are comparing the same architecture

little osprey
#

ik but would you want a 0.1ghz cpu lmfao

summer pasture
#

It was hard for me to convince my parents to let me build a pc

little osprey
#

the fact that my dad has been doing pc stuff for over 20 years is a con believe it or not

#

you might think that itd be easier

#

its the complete opposite in my case

gray tide
#

@summer pasture same

pearl blade
#

so your dad's mindset on computer is from the 90s

gray tide
#

prob

earnest olive
little osprey
#

honestly i have no choice so like i either upgrade the prebuilt (which is suicide) or not have a pc

#

HA

#

i mean

#

look the 7400

#

has 4 cores

#

3.5ghz max bOOOOOOOOST

summer pasture
#

Just upgrade the prebuilt with 2 parts right?

little osprey
#

can you explain why its worse? i dont understand cuz like some previous-gen cpus have higher clock speeds than newer gen

#

and theyre less expensive

#

like???

summer pasture
#

Architecture

earnest olive
#

the 10400 boosts to 4.3ghz

little osprey
#

he said

earnest olive
#

the 10400 also has 6 hyperthreaded cores

little osprey
#

he'd spend $200 or more

earnest olive
#

while the 7400 has 4 non hyperthreaded cores

little osprey
#

hm

#

whats hyperthreaded

earnest olive
#

hyperthreaded

#

well

little osprey
#

hyper = fast asf

earnest olive
#

each core is like its own little machine with some components

little osprey
#

yeah

earnest olive
#

like a floating point unit and an integer unit

#

not all of those components will be simultaneously used by a specific instruction

summer pasture
#

I cant believe you built your first pc this year

little osprey
#

okay

earnest olive
#

in a non hyperthreaded core, whichever instruction is running on that core has complete control of the core

#

in a hyperthreaded core, if the core is executing an instruction that does not need the entire core, it may be able to simultaneously execute an instruction using other parts of the core

little osprey
#

alright so i looked online and saw that the 7400 is often compared to the r5 3600

earnest olive
#

hyperthreaded cores expose themselves to the system as 2 "logical cores"

summer pasture
#

Im gonna go now goodbye and thanks for the help earlier

little osprey
#

ohhhhhhh ok

#

that makes sense

earnest olive
#

so hyperthreaded cpus will get a significant boost to productivity workloads compared to non hyperthreaded cpus

#

it depends on the workload but often around 25-30%

little osprey
#

ohh so like more efficient?

earnest olive
#

more efficient allocation of resources

#

basically

little osprey
#

alright hmm

pearl blade
earnest olive
#

so the i5-7400 is 4 cores and 4 threads

#

the i5-10400 is 6 cores and 12 threads

#

so the multitasking capability of the 10400 will be much stronger

little osprey
#

yeah ik

fair birch
#

the 7400 seems pretty bad

little osprey
#

this is the thing

earnest olive
#

not to mention that it boosts higher

little osprey
#

its not compatible kekw

earnest olive
#

the i5-10400 + the new board you would need to run it

#

costs less than a 7700K

little osprey
#

lmaoooo my dad gonna buy a whole new board

earnest olive
#

which would be the only significant upgrade

little osprey
#

I DONT EVEN KNOW IF ITS POSSIBLE TO OPEN THE CASE HAHAAH

hollow hound
#

hyperthreading helps w/ compute-light tasks (email,web surfing, etc.). I do a lot of machine learning stuff, and actually disable hyperthreading, and see a 20-30% increase in performance when doing lots of hard-core number crunching... faking more cores doesnt always mean faster performance.

pulsar zodiac
#

Guys I got an issue

earnest olive
#

you can use the same RAM as well as the same drives

little osprey
#

probably gonna use a crowbar or smthn

pearl blade
#

like you said the board plus cpu is cheaper than upgrading the i7-7700k

pulsar zodiac
#

My hard drive isnโ€™t showing up in bios but itโ€™s powered on and it works

#

It doesnโ€™t show up in windows either

earnest olive
#

@hollow hound yeah for the sake of not getting too long winded my explanation wasn't complete

little osprey
pulsar zodiac
#

I changed the SATA connection because I thought it was the issue

earnest olive
#

in workloads that actually load up the entire core like what you're doing it's detrimental

#

though that is more of a fault of the hardware scheduler than the hyperthreaded core itself i think

pulsar zodiac
#

Can someone help me out?

earnest olive
#

@little osprey you're not using Z chipsets so the maximum ram speed will be 2666mhz

little osprey
#

DAM NO

#

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

#

2666 is like meh

#

ok but like meh

summer pasture
#

@pulsar zodiac ok im still here and the same thing happened to my dads laptop, the drive was dead

little osprey
#

what can i possibly upgrade lmfao

#

can i plug in a 1080ti

#

2080ti

#

or 3090

#

haha

summer pasture
#

Doesnt mean yours is though

earnest olive
#

@pulsar zodiac did you plug in both power and data? i am asking because you said "the sata connection" as if it's singular

pulsar zodiac
#

Yes power and data

little osprey
#

7400 + 3090 = extremo explosion

blazing aurora
#

how long do mail in rebates on items last if they're not listed?

little osprey
#

its gonna create a sinkhole in my neighborhood

#

what are my gpu options @earnest olive

pulsar zodiac
#

Power is in, I can feel it physically spinning

earnest olive
#

okay what board do you have?

pulsar zodiac
#

Bios and windows doesnโ€™t see that anything is there

earnest olive
#

with a 7400 i would pair it with a gtx 1060 at most

pulsar zodiac
#

Asus ROG B550-F wifi gaming motherboard

little osprey
#

big brain belarc

summer pasture
#

@pulsar zodiac do you have another sysytem that you can try to plug the drive into?

pulsar zodiac
#

No

cyan stone
#

@little osprey Youโ€™ll be limited by your PSU. Do you know what wattage rating you have?

little osprey
#

the small font might kil your eyes if so i apologize

earnest olive
#

alright i wanted to check if the mobo is one that disables certain sata ports when m.2 is populated

little osprey
#

I DONT KNOW AHAH

#

its a prebuilt from dell

earnest olive
#

it does not

little osprey
#

and my dad thinks you can upgrade it any more

summer pasture
#

How long have you had the drive

little osprey
#

he says he'll contact vendors and theyll certifi it or smthn

earnest olive
#

@little osprey dell prebuilts tend to be proprietary so you are probably going to need to use a graphics card with no external power like a 1050ti

pulsar zodiac
#

4 days max

little osprey
#

wdym by that sips

#

wdym by no external power

earnest olive
#

some graphics cards need external power connection

knotty nacelle
#

I need help

summer pasture
#

Oof, you might want to send that back, was it ever working

pulsar zodiac
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No

little osprey
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like? a double A battery

earnest olive
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lower powered cards like the 1050ti do not

knotty nacelle
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How many leds can a argb header handle on the tuf gaming x570 plus?

pulsar zodiac
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It wasnโ€™t dropped, it didnโ€™t break or anything

summer pasture
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Yeah it sounds dead, what hard drive is it

pulsar zodiac
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The store I bought it from has to return policy unless you have warranty

little osprey
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im going to plug in a power cable from a 1050ti to the solar panels on my house

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ez

knotty nacelle
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........

little osprey
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yk what

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im gonna type up a doc of possible upgrade options

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and im gonna look at my dad as he realizes

pulsar zodiac
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Could I try plugging it into another SATA power?

summer pasture
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@little osprey The Motherboard can give the gpu power without a pcie connector

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@pulsar zodiac Go Ahead

little osprey
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Holy cow fr

earnest olive
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@knotty nacelle if you're asking about amperage, asus doesn't say

pulsar zodiac
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Alright

little osprey
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i didnt know that

pulsar zodiac
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Iโ€™ll message here once Iโ€™ve done it

little osprey
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if i even want anything to work id practically have to replace everything inside and just have a sleeper pc then, correct? LOL

summer pasture
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@little osprey Yup i think 75w max

little osprey
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wdym by 75w max

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for the whole pc? or

summer pasture
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From the mobo to gpu

little osprey
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bruh

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yeah ok

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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if anyone is willing to assist me with this

summer pasture
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Yeah quite low

little osprey
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to type up a doc of compatible parts to upgrade the current system

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it'd be greatly appreciated

summer pasture
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I am not intelligent enough

little osprey
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no just like a bit of googling

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like for the cpu i already know

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its a h110 chipset

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so kaby-lake processors and lga 1151 is the cpu socket

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so under those specifications you can find out which cpus are compatibile

summer pasture
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I think new motherboard would be the best thing

little osprey
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and for ram

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yeah ik

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but like

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why the heck would i have a 7400 with a new mobo

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i might aswel buy an entirely new pc lmao

summer pasture
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And new cpu like sips was saying

little osprey
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not worth it

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ik ik this is the thing

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i dont support this whatsoever

summer pasture
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Why?

earnest olive
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now one thing i forgot to think about

little osprey
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wdym why

earnest olive
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if it's a dell prebuilt

little osprey
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its my dad's spectacular idea

earnest olive
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it may or may not have standardized mounts

summer pasture
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Oh

little osprey
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i told him

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its not gonna work

earnest olive
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so it's not 100% guaranteed that you can give it a new motherboard

little osprey
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its going to*** implode*** on itself

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guys should i use the stock thermal paste on my cooler or wait to buy arctic mx4 paste?

earnest olive
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stock is fine, mx-4 will perform better

little osprey
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i have mx 4

summer pasture
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From what i have been experiencing wait

little osprey
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in my drawer right next to me